Is Being Fat a Choice? | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

Exclusive prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/47HwDsG “The body positivity movement promotes childhood obesity”

[@MaxRamos8]

I think it's a 50% split cuz genetics, environment, economics, and upbringing are all factors that aren't controlled

[@dohadena]

are you guys not making enough money from millions of views and ads on here why is a part of the video behind a paywall? 😐

[@catalyst3713]

Yes it absolutely does.

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

@@MaxRamos8 I feel like genetics does play a role, but probably less than it’s implied. Consider that a family of overweight people will feed their kids what they eat and thus make it appear genetic, when in reality they’re just eating the same foods in the quantities their family has.

[@LuZu_]

@@user-sf9gs2pg1b /simulating their lifestyle

[@BBCEmily]

Bottom line: don't be rude or mean to people, but also, let's not pretend that being obese is in any way healthy.

[@Tommy-nh4su]

And let's not pretend being anorexic is healthy either. Both are bad.

[@sendcottoncandypls]

​@@Tommy-nh4su theres a difference between being just skinny and anorexic and anorexia is literally the most deadly mental illness so like...obviously its not healthy and i dont think anyone here said that

[@BBCEmily]

@@Tommy-nh4su Of course both are bad. But this episode is about obesity.

[@serah3338]

okay, let's also not pretend "not being healthy" is why obese people are treated so poorly

[@BBCEmily]

@@serah3338 I'm referring to overweight individuals who try to glorify their condition, as if there is nothing wrong or unusual about it. Encouraging others to be obese / normalizing it as if "it's alright to be super overweight" is just as damaging as encouraging people to starve themselves.

[@therandommusicguy4773]

Dominick was the sort of person we should all be like. He didn't make excuses to suit himself, while also not bringing himself down.

[@walkingonfiree7609]

no, but he made judgements on everyone else and assumed they should think the same as him.

[@RaviPatel-lb7uc]

@@walkingonfiree7609 He judged them after they opened their mouths and excuses came out.

[@apowell539]

He's my spirit animal, I loved his accountability.

[@dont_harsh_my_mellow]

@@walkingonfiree7609 All that came out of the mouths of the others were sad back stories to justify not putting in the work to manage their weight. Is it harder for some ppl? Yes. Do some ppl have to jump through higher hoops for the same results? Yes. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t or can’t. It’s a CHOICE, as he mentioned too. The more we see a trial or obstacle as an excuse for complacency, the worse off we all will be. Imagine if Jackie Robinson thought how these ladies did. Would he really have gotten to his level of legendary status? No.

[@randomaccount3119]

I agree. I hope he lives a great life. He said he wants to be skinny so I hope he gets to his goal. It will benefit him

[@Welsh-Trials-Enduro]

Props to dominick for being self aware and balanced in his viewpoints

[@TheSalami]

He’s the only one who mentioned seed oils let’s go

[@ProfessorBonnie]

@@TheSalamihi carson

[@Mary-lr5ok]

His point about farms in small towns was kinda wack tho. Those farms are selling their meat and eggs in bulk to nationwide distributors, not to local poor people lol

[@pog8744]

@@Mary-lr5ok He meant that the residents themselves are farmers or at least have their own chickens

[@goosmus]

​@@pog8744 yeah that's correct! I've spent a lot of time on the road and while I obviously haven't visited every city in America, the thing rural cities had that places like LA certainly don't is land! People out there often had a few chickens of their own, and land enough to grow some vegetables, fruits, etc. so many fresh fruit trees, forageables, and more! Looking forward myself to getting well out of the city.

[@keeling1813]

Dominick actually opened my eyes to some different perspectives, dude seemed super solid and a great guy

[@MNewsTime]

Yeah, real SOLID guy.

[@mycatsnameisgizmo4677]

Seeing everyone jump on Lauren when she said skinny people don’t eat junk food was refreshing

[@mra4955]

It's not that skinny people don't eat junk food, it's that they don't eat too much junk food

[@corsariocapitao]

​@@mra4955what is too much junk food?

[@spicycorndogs4619]

@@mra4955that’s also not true as a skinny person who eats way too much junk food lol

[@uchennanwogu2142]

@@spicycorndogs4619trust me, search up daily eating of an obese person

[@mra4955]

@@spicycorndogs4619 ok, must not be true then

[@MPLetsTalk]

Dominick is the definition of accountability. He holds himself accountable but also is able to see its up to him whether he wants to change or not

[@joeyhernandez7908]

Fax but at times comes out douchey

[@albedougnut]

Perhaps so, though he likely does not have the background in psychology to understand that some of what he is saying is a bit silly. Even if he wanted to boil it down to willpower (though there are countless systemic factors which contribute towards obesity), willpower is quite literally a limited resource within the body that is regulated by blood glucose levels within the brain. People who struggle with self control are typically placed within environments where they are frequently exposed to high levels of temptation, which reduces glucose levels within the body making it more and more difficult to exert self control with each subsequent temptation. Many people due to financial, legal, or social circumstances cannot simply up and change every component to their lives, which can make it exceptionally difficult to lose weight simply because of this factor alone. People in Europe do not have some innate ability for willpower that Americans do not. The difference is that they have different systemic solutions to address obesity, including walkable cities, less fast food, higher regulation in the food manufacturing process, and better regional wages/work hours that leave people with the time and energy to cook at home. I do respect Dominick's willingness to take accountability for his own life, though this subject is far more complicated than being a mere issue of self control.

[@hannahmacdonald9040]

@@albedougnut Yeah agreed some of his takes were way to simplistic, weight is a lot more complicated than mere willpower...

[@McKinley491]

it is an issue of self control and willpower and discipline. I'm not naturally skinny, i calorie count every single day and do calories in vs calories out. Some people lack that discipline, simple as that. Take accountability for your own obesity. @@albedougnut

[@McKinley491]

there's fast food everywhere, don't eat it maybe? You're not a child. Where I live theres' tonnes of horrible fast food, you just avoid it. Walkable cities? You can still go to the gym or run, btw though, exercise isn't necessary to lose weight. It's all diet (calories in vs calories out). You also don't need to buy sugary HFCS crap in America. And even if you do, it's still calories in vs calories out. You could lose weight on mcdonalds if you wanted.@@albedougnut

[@Allhailpablo]

Dominick was definitely the voice of reason throughout this conversation. So refreshing to see someone who understands a problem and the other side's points and is able to logically and empathetically produce his

[@Claire-ux2qu]

except when they were talking about food deserts

[@SmallSnailMarie]

I appreciate how during diet culture discussion he asked for the other guys definition rather than just arguing with him without knowing what he considered to be "diet culture". It really shows that he is a cognitive thinker and he is trying very hard to consider everyone's background for their opinions.

[@ERENSTITAN]

I feel like Lauren is the type of person to say “me too” after someone just ranted/vented to the other person or the same person. She also gives an ‘almond mom’ energy, like some other people in the comments have said.

[@Sumayah-q1w]

Sounds like someone with an eating disorder

[@leafysharky]

it seems like she has struggled with an eating disorder maybe or just had like an unhealthy relationship with food that is maybe generational or whatever. she talked about it a bit and you can see it in the way she genuinely thoughtskinny people like don't get junk food or whatever

[@ERENSTITAN]

@@leafysharky yeah, I agree. Lowkey fishy behavior.

[@anewagora]

what is an "almond mom" ?

[@ghostinyu]

⁠@@anewagoramothers who are extremely careful about what they eat, they constantly have to be healthy and eat very minimal

[@pxachholic]

Dominic seems very smart! He thinks very logically and doesn't victimize himself. I wish him a long and healthy life😁

[@DoyinVoice]

Very smart and great communicator

[@kab9706]

Agreed, he's very smart and seems sweet. I like that he takes accountability

[@JM-yn8mb]

You better keep wishing LOL

[@simba00784]

He a guy

[@TheGreatPapyrusSpaghetti2697]

Fr

[@vjrdxt]

when Lauren said she doesn't think skinny people go into the junk food aisle I already knew she was an almond mom type of person because that made no sense.

[@divinedlibra9884]

Fr. I have very fast metabolism. Sometimes i eat so unhealthy but I do not gain any weight

[@kab9706]

I think she worded herself badly, because skinny people do eat junk food and fast food, but thin people eat LESS of it. Smaller portions. A thin person is taking in less calories than a 400lb person.

[@divinedlibra9884]

@@kab9706 i agree. There needs to be a balance. But sometimes I do eat more junk food than people that are bigger than me. It’s weird. I think you need to find the balance between junk food and healthy food within your own body that fits your metabolism.

[@kab9706]

@divinedlibra9884 same I eat junk but I don't really binge eat or sneak snacks all night. Obese people sometimes claim they "never" eat or eat healthier than thin people, but those calories come from somewhere

[@alyssamarie5306]

⁠@@kab9706what do you mean thin vs skinny…

[@Dioliolio]

Shoutout to Dominick for being a totally reasonable and level headed dude.

[@rollitupmars]

He’s like this in all videos a really great guy

[@TeenageDirtbag8]

​@@rollitupmarsYep agree

[@masterqui-gonjinn90]

i hope he gets the help he needs

[@goosmus]

Aww shucks you guys are so nice 😍😍

[@Lxrd_Rome]

@@goosmusbro why you let her say she’s the average weight for someone

[@downsouth00]

I used to be addicted to opiates. In my rehab there were two obese women who were addicted to food. They went through the exact same rehabilitation that all us drug addicts did. The first step is admitting that you have a problem. Staying in denial like some of these women is a way to protect your ego, but also keeps you in a place where you can’t change for the better. You should of course not be shamed for being obese, but it should also not be something that is celebrated and treated as normal by society. It is dangerous in so many ways and not to mention decreases your mood immensely.

[@OneTheBlue]

Not all overweight people overeat. That is only one possible cause.

[@downsouth00]

@@OneTheBlue Maybe not every single one, but 99% of them would be much healthier and lose weight if they fixed their diet. And the other 1% could fix other habits and be healthier in other ways in order to not be obese. There are some people that have a medical issue that makes it very hard to not be overweight, but 99.99% of people who are morbidly obese it is due to lifestyle.

[@ssds24]

@@OneTheBlue That is THE cause, along with lack of activity. Anything else is just a rare exception.

[@ugoewulonu4936]

Congrats on getting off opioids! I hope you’re doing a lot better now.

[@downsouth00]

@ Thanks so much brother!

[@koraliee]

Dominick seems like a great guy and came off as very intelligent and level-headed. Props to him.

[@lauranottuna]

I dont agree with everything said, but I am so glad about how relaxed the conversation was. Not much shaming, no screaming, no talking over each other.

[@Wanderlust06705]

Same. After watching the trans debate this was really refreshing.

[@rita8274]

Even when they obviously physically disagreed with someone talking, they weren't taking it to the next level by being unnecessarily rude. Nice to see the episodes coming back to actual discussions instead of just screaming matches.

[@mon3yw4y]

They were talking over each other sometimes, perhaps not significantly enough to change the atmosphere of the conversation.

[@jayart7928]

The fats should be shamed.

[@drawingdoritu]

@@jayart7928i hope this is a joke

[@goldengoddess8568]

The way she said “I’m the average weight for women in America, so if you’re looking for the average the closest you’re going to get is me”, the only reason that’s the case is because of the obesity epidemic… That was not always the average weight historically.

[@destinypointer9069]

I agree with that statement. I was shocked when she said that she was the average, because I do not see many individuals who are that heavy. Do not get me wrong, I see overweight individuals, but I mostly see people who are 300lbs or below. Id say size 14-18 is the average for women because that is usually the size that is sold out most of the time.

[@-danny.]

@@destinypointer9069the average woman in the US is like ~5’3 and 170 lbs. So she’s definitely bigger than the average woman

[@fdscrl6016]

wow that is insane as someone from europe... and it is a problem to be that big. being the average doesn't mean its not bad like...

[@classmst89]

She aint the average woman, shes delusional. Sorry if its harsh but thems the facts

[@SoulanaaBeautyy]

@@-danny.omg im literally 5’3 170 lbs 😩😩…crazy I’m that spot on 😂

[@Cyanotic73]

For the disabled woman. I myself am also disabled, there ARE options for us… I cannot go to the gym or go running. I can’t walk miles but I can get into a pool, i can exercise from a chair, I can watch what I eat, there are medications and even surgeries. While those things aren’t for everyone I know that being overweight is going to make my health worse, if you have pain it’s going to be more painful. All you really need is the want and the motivation to be healthy not skinny but healthy!!!

[@aaazzz8324]

Yes, there are way that a disabled person would be able to lose weight but i just wanted to say, it depends on a lot of things, and if one may be able to, it’s not the case for very disables person. My uncle has been disabled since around his 2Os, and now cant even get out of his wheelchair without someone here to lift him. And the medication he takes cause a lot of weight gain too. So I’m pretty sure it’s practically impossible for him to lose weight, and he’s probably going to be overweight for the rest of his life.

[@mykaelacaballero5969]

Let’s not do that actually. Not to speak for her, but lupus can make it very difficult for some people to workout.

[@hohoho080]

did you miss the part where she said she has lupus?

[@thecreativegeek7886]

Yes, I understand that there are options for us disabled people. However, I think the point you might be missing is that not *all* disabled people have those options. There are disabled people who know that they can’t exercise (due to their disability/disabilities) much if at all. I’m sure that there are disabled people who *want* to do something positive to gain control of their weight, but can’t. /nm

[@Cyanotic73]

@@hohoho080 I also have lupus, it can be absolutely debilitating, I also have ankylosing spondylitis, sometimes I cannot even get out of bed. I work from my bed some days thankfully I am blessed enough to have a job that allows me to do that. All I’m saying is, if there’s a will, there’s a way.

[@JKDC97]

Is anyone checking on Parker? He started the discussion saying that being skinny is a choice because there are some days that he chooses not to eat to later admitting that he is anorexic. That's an eating disorder and just as unhealthy as overeating and being obese. (Also, its important to point out that men's mental health, especially with regard to eating disorders, is SO overlooked and not acknowledged enough)

[@isa640]

Why do we need to check on him. He said himself it's a "choice."

[@aaronaldo14]

He’s aware that he is severely underweight

[@prayed249]

def not as unhealthy as overeating or being obese but he should find some kind of help so he can be at a healthy weight

[@rainnnnnnn]

Is anyone checking on overweight people in this video?

[@annemmie]

@@isa640well having an ed is never a choice

[@bellalulu6249]

i NEED to see overweight vs gym rats. Especially gym rats who were overweight i feel like it’s a whole new harsh but real perspective

[@Musa_hi]

Fr we need one! but at the end I feel like the gym goers will be called "insecure" for changing themselves, I've seen so many of them get absolutely bodyshamed in the comments :/

[@edwardgaiennie8956]

Lauren gives me the gym rat vibe. But I don’t think she had a transformation

[@Musa_hi]

@@edwardgaiennie8956 she seems like a strict dietician rather than a gym rat

[@joebriggs5781]

@@edwardgaiennie8956 it’s fine to be a gym rat but she has an extreme relationship with food. You can be more balanced and still be in great shape. She’s free to do what she wants, but lots of healthy people eat junk food here and there.

[@jadaolson6479]

Why are gym rats the standard for health? Like what they gotta do w this? Some gym rats have disordered eating in order to maintain their bodies, how is that healthy?

[@millieegirl]

why is nobody talking about parker and the "some days i don't eat" casually 😭

[@stacymiffin3243]

No literally. Like Parker, that’s a disordered way of eating.

[@ChaseBurns-kc7xg]

fasting isn't an eating disorder he does have one but choosing to cleanse your pallet once or twice a month or not eating certain things certain days isn't an eating disorder@@stacymiffin3243

[@jsanchez8855]

My boyfriend looks EXACTLY like Parker. Like I had to ask him if that was actually him. But anyway, he also doesn't eat some days but he has IBS and ADHD and many days will just.. forget to eat, or avoid it if his tummy is feeling off. I have to actively remind him to eat.

[@revekat2053]

@@jsanchez8855he might be on medication that makes him lose his appetite.

[@NeptuneChildASMR]

I went through a few years where I would forget to eat too. It wasn’t purposely. I also have ADHD. On those days I would sometimes be up at 3 am and realize I forgot to eat and then grab something and make myself eat it. Or I’d go a day without eating and wake up and eat cheesecake in the morning 😅 I have had disordered eating for a lot of my life but during that time it wasn’t purposely avoiding food so I wouldn’t have considered it disordered compared to the times I’ve struggled with actual eating disorders.

[@azizrahman5638]

Saying that you don't have a choice is just avoiding all kind of responsibility

[@paulmark992]

these women are allergic to accountability

[@DearAliya]

I hope Dominick see's all of the support from the comments on this video and always feels motivated to achieve his personal health goals so that he can have the future he wishes for - he deserves it!

[@georgiadriven]

I agree!

[@gusudeani6071]

I feel like Lauren views being skinny through her own personal lens rather than objectively. The fact she straight faced said skinny people don’t eat junk food is BAFFLING. I’m 118lbs(53kg) and during my early twenties I was eating cake for breakfast some days. I would’ve loved a little bit more back and forth and challenge to Lauren’s claims.

[@uchennanwogu2142]

how many calories did you consume? daily

[@popkick8350]

@@uchennanwogu2142The point wasn’t really about how much cake is eaten or not. It was about eating cake at all since Lauren made the claim skinny people don’t eat junk.

[@gibbono]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@popkick8350 I’d like to think that Lauren was referring to the fact that skinny people don’t eat much calorie wise which is why she said they don’t eat much junk food either. Metabolism can play a big part but at the end of the day if you’re still skinny even after eating “a lot” then you’re not actually eating that many calories/junk food in this case.

[@curryascocarrasco4829]

I work out because it's fun and it allows me to eat more!

[@chitownjaxxk7644]

@@gibbonobut that’s not true , she should speak for herself because that’s false .

[@laurynelizz__]

This discussion needed more people at healthy weights and with healthy relationships with food. Even the skinny people exhibit a lot of disordered behaviors from what I can tell, based on what they’ve told us

[@TheDevastator619]

When Parker openly said he “chooses” not to eat some days, it screamed depravation to me. Sure there are days when you’re not hungry and your body doesn’t prompt to eat, but if you’re actively making the choice to suppress when your body is telling you you’re hungry is harmful.

[@rosee8140]

I kinda wanna see the opposite, morbidly obese vs diagnosed anorexic.

[@weirdflex8158]

​@@TheDevastator619not necessarily no. Fasting is great for lots of people

[@Idkchangethislater]

Exactly both sides seemed kinda…Struggling…

[@Formerlywendytestaburger1621]

I'm pretty sure he meant that his appetite is so low that he wouldn't eat because he talked about it as an unhealthy thing@@TheDevastator619

[@bluemeadows7520]

Saying I don’t think skinny people go to the junk food section kinda ruined how much sense she first seemed to have

[@shay3427]

YES LIKE WTF LMAO literally skinny people are some of the most unhealthy eaters that i know

[@quinn7694]

Dominick seems like such a down to earth kind person, i wish him and his wife n kids well ❤

[@charlie_quinn666]

I was literally just coming to the comments to say the same thing, homie seems like such a sweetheart

[@markherbert4723]

I hope he thinks hard and loses a few pounds so he can enjoy his wife and kids for longer

[@darionmartin7618]

The taller larger gentleman is living in reality and speaks eloquently about it. S tier

[@newbestofthis4422]

It is the demographic. Women and people of some races are more prone to the victim mentality

[@wsg56]

i love that guy

[@yylfordt6125]

Whilst the 3 big girls will gaslight themselves out of existence telling each other they're a perfect 10/10 goddess

[@mysweetsummerchild]

⁠I’m a skinny girl but I feel like we need to have more insight regarding this topic, the reason that obese women are less grounded in reality is probably because of gender roles and the way the beauty is almost a responsibility/expectation for women. Put yourself in their shoes: ever since you were young, you have been told/made to think that your worth comes from your physical attractiveness. It’s a lot easier to cope with it by convincing yourself that you’re conventionally attractive rather than completely tearing down all your core beliefs. Throwing hatred aimlessly at people is easy, showing them empathy is harder.

[@Najuni-iy7po]

​@@mysweetsummerchildthe beauty and fashion industries have influenced big women to gaslight themselves into thinking that it's okay to settle for their size. Normalizing being overweight is an epidemic. Many in the US don't care as much because they're in a system that enables convenience not self-discipline. Capitalism and consumerism

[@isaiahharris7046]

They should do another episode to where it's the exact same prompt but this time it's nothing but doctors debating. That would be interesting

[@Cre8tive_Always]

ooohhh yeah

[@FKDame]

Yeah except they’re not going to be debating because it’s not really a debate

[@isaiahharris7046]

@FKDame yes they would there's so many different opinions among various different doctors.

[@elianavictor108]

There would most likely not be a debate. Science shows that it is not healthy for someone to be overweight. In terms of beauty or ability to be a happy person, that is a different discussion, but most likely all doctors will agree from a health standpoint.

[@chouyi7591]

itd be hard to find a doctor that’s pro obesity

[@reohhom5778]

Lauren is the prime example of being privileged; she was unaware of what a food desert is. Jada explained it very well.

[@kk-rp6yw]

There is no food desert lmfao.

[@bobhero7789]

Who cares at least she's smart

[@ecifircas0]

"well can't you just drive to a grocery store" 🤦‍♂

[@ThePaleoCon]

I found her gasp of "empathy" after hearing the fact that there's overweight babies and young children even worse.

[@shawnpadgett9250]

Food deserts aren't real

[@bibbo3167]

This was one of the most genuinely productive episodes they’ve had in a while-no arguing, yelling, passive aggression etc

[@ymoonysun9130]

Productive for me is when the debate has quality and brings a logical fresh light to the subjet: but this episode was one of the most unproductive ones since no facts, no arguments structure, no science was brought, only weak opinions based on emotions ://

[@bibbo3167]

@@ymoonysun9130 baby steps baby steps lol

[@LadyNellie]

​@@ymoonysun9130huh?

[@BabyJellyfish]

None of this was productive. Not shouting at each other is the barest of. Minimums

[@ShadowJinxXOX]

⁠@@ymoonysun9130I disagree, an argument doesn’t need a statistic attached to it if it can still provide sound reasoning to its basis. And there was a decent amount of times that deductive reasoning was applied from both sides, maybe not always perfectly, but fair points were discussed

[@elik8448]

Lauren 100% has the same vibes as a mom who very much causes all her kids to have eating disorders and control issues. I really valued Dominik's self awareness though, he not only acknowledged that being skinny can also be unhealthy and that he himself has unhealthy eating habits but also showed a lot of empathy towards others while they were speaking about their experience.

[@GoldenGoosey26]

Or or or, she teaches her kids healthy eating habits

[@DajaMoonSage]

@@GoldenGoosey26 Doubt it...she said she was for 'body shamming' someone into trying to get healthy. This is how self-image issues start, which can then lead to eating disorders. Body Shamming someone generally does not work. If anything, it can push more mental health issues.

[@batswanamodipane7774]

true, I like how he actually admitted that his perspective has changed, which is the whole point of these videos I think

[@brie-onymous]

How do you figure? I see her as the voice of reason. Obesity is not healthy, period. She was also not shying away from the FACT that obesity is not visually appealing to anyone save for people with fetishes.

[@bekind9827]

@@GoldenGoosey26 My mother who is somewhat similar to Lauren and it has made me fairly unhealthy... Like I will feel like when she is not around I just need to stuff my mouth with bad food because its the only time when I dont have to worry about her judgement. I will say, to some extent the things she says make a lot of sense however she takes it a bit to far and struggles to understand that living a healthy lifestyle is not a one size fits all thing.

[@oluchi8910]

Now this is a DISCUSSION! It doesn’t matter what side you’re on, people sitting down with opposing views and still being able to have a civil adult conversation while not cutting each other off and really LISTENING to all sides even if they don’t agree is super underrated

[@oponomo]

funny thing is: this wasn't 2 opposite views, it was 2 opposite body types. Most of them have similar views which makes this a very weird jubilee versus.

[@tartantulakid666]

There is only one correct side in this discussion. Being obese shouldn't be normalised and shouldn't be accepted. All I heard from the obese people were lies about their eating habits and lies about how great they feel. When you start to see their behaviour from the addiction perspective, their lying and deceit makes a lot more sense.

[@Piinnkbunnii]

lol my name twin! Are you Nigerian or Nigerian American?

[@amyswallow742]

i feel like this is one of the healthiest jubilee discussions i've seen and that's sad

[@Brooklynnspov]

@@tartantulakid666then your lying about liking to be skinny

[@Jennylovesbread]

I’m so confused about “shame as motivation” because any time I’ve ever been shamed or put down it just increased my self hatred, depression, and want to end myself. It wasn’t until I learned how to love myself as I am that I started taking care of my body, why would I take care of something I hate? I didn’t, I needed to learn how to love myself before I felt it was worth caring about myself

[@camaraman645]

She(Lauren) reminds me of Myron

[@Victoralleni]

As, for me, shame was my motivation to do better in life and lose weight. Without shame, I wouldn't have lost weight and gotten into a better lifestyle. So I think it depends on how you take shame. There are ppl who get motivated by it and ppl who get the opposite

[@Jennylovesbread]

@@Victoralleni I have a theory, do you by chance experience anxiety? I struggle with chronic depression and a big part of that is self deprecation and self hatred so shame just feeds that feeling and makes me even more likely to do absolutely nothing. I can imagine someone who feels anxiety when they aren’t getting things done would be more motivated by shame because they don’t want/can’t stand being looked down on, whereas someone like me just assumes absolutely everyone is already looking down on me all the time even after I lost weight.

[@Pingucado]

What you say is actually evidence based. There are several studies backing up the fact that shaming bigger people worsens the problem. for most people this only leads to getting bigger. Talking about the health risks and incouraging people to do better however always seemed to work way better in studies. Shaming does, for the majority of people, the absolute opposite of motivation.

[@fsmaa1225]

Well we need loser and winners, and crazy part is the losers will play victim and fall into the depression which isn’t real by the way🤷🏽‍♂️

[@enzogeet2463]

As a nutritionist, seeing so many people think obesity isn't a factor leading to health diseases is concerning... It is really sad to know that's how it is across the atlantic, Europeans are usually way more educated on this subject.

[@trackflix.]

They all know it's detrimental to their health lmao they just won't accept it

[@whatoh3407]

These girls are coping HARD!!

[@logicallychaotic9139]

become a DIETITIAN then come back…

[@jato2942]

Another reason why Europeans are superior

[@Momo-po5tn]

Americans have brainwashed themselves

[@veronicawinja3682]

As an African who moved to America, food and the food system has been one of the biggest challenges that I have experienced. It's a system that's not for the people at all! and it's even worse for the poor e.g. homeless people. The food quantities are abnormal, vegetables are way more expensive than junk food, there's a lot of variety of junk food. Food here is more for pleasure than for nutritional value.

[@Summer-ke5es]

Agree. After moving to the US I gained so much weight. And the creziest thing is that I'm gaining weight from simple stuff like potatoes, for example. It doesn't matter if I boil them or grill I still gaining weight. Back home I could it potatoes as much as I want and never gained even one pound.

[@itsnotif.itswhen]

@@Summer-ke5essame with meat quality. I suspect the way they raise farm animals here is different that contributes to the obesity epidemic.

[@justme.11]

Should be the number 1 comment.

[@selinacadisch8449]

its so crazy cuz for example in Switzerland,which is where i live, most American foods aren‘t even allowed bc of how much chemical and just generally unhealthy stuff is in them.

[@Oxymera]

I always hear about immigrants eating the same diet they had from their home country and still gaining weight. There must be something in our food that causes this

[@lovedlavender3266]

I'd love it if Jubilee made a common ground or spectrum videos about bullying, such as people who were bullied and even former bullies who stopped bullying.

[@justhumanrampai4882]

Ohh, I’d watch this. I’d like to hear some of the thought processes

[@lainaaa9075]

YESSSSSA

[@shackles5850]

yes

[@sowhat1674]

Usually, bullies are not aware that they are bullies.

[@ericablu-y8z]

yeah, but how would you define that, because most bullies were bullied at home or by other people, most of the so-called victims of bullies have been bullies themselves, I feel like everyone on earth has been both a bully and the victim of a bully at some point

[@JennyferPepin]

10:35 sorry but average weight for women in the US is about 170lbs (datas from 2023), give or take 10lbs depending on height. Madeline is clearly above 250lbs. Nothing wrong with that but let's not make up stats so that our narrative fit. Thank you!

[@lzeroZ3]

170!! GYATT DAMN that is so high (i’m F 5’5 125)

[@Rachel.........]

​@@lzeroZ3Same 5'4, 115 lb. But, when I compare myself with other women my age, ya I guess I do even look anorexic compared to average women...maybe. But, I eat three protein heavy meals a day. So...

[@kk-rp6yw]

​@@Rachel.........You can't look anorexic... 5'4" 110 and I look average. Never had someone say I look skinny or under weight.

[@Rachel.........]

@@kk-rp6yw are you from America? Like I wrap my hand around my upper arm and there's just an inch between my middle finger and thumb. I'm definitely very thin. Maybe you come from a skinny family so no one notices how thin you are. But, idk, I've definitely been told to gain weight (by people, not by doctors)

[@kk-rp6yw]

@@Rachel......... S.Korea here. Maybe it's because we don't have much obese people here.

[@Omgitssuki]

Lauren was the embodiment of privileged and completely lacked empathy for others life experiences. I’m 115 pounds and I would never belittle someone how she did.

[@susse2343]

She had the absolutely worst stink bombs of a take omg

[@vlogsbyrow]

It made me seethe how she tried to mask her arguments as "logic" when they were obviously coming from a place of deep arrogance and bias. She just tried to sound fair 🤦‍♀

[@meadowsweetstudios444]

@@vlogsbyrowshe was saying the truth, though. You don’t need to sugarcoat all time. Could she have been a little more empathetic? Yes. But was she wrong? No.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

"Privilege" is a social construct.

[@Jordan-xg4pn]

​@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamerbaby all language is socially constructed

[@mengl29]

As someone who has lost a ton of weight (45kg aka 100 pounds), it is definitely difficult to lose weight. Getting over that initial craving / transition period is really really hard. However, once you get past that first month or so it does get easier. And it feels so much better! You can do so many more things more easily, and life just generally improves. If you are currently going through the weight loss process, don't give up, you can do this, I did, so you definitely can!

[@poejavelski148]

Great job on your progress! I absolutely agree. I was the opposite, I was once 130 pounds at 6’3, and lean bulked 60-65 pounds over a few years. The hardest part was definitely near the beginning, changing your life long eating habits is super tough. After about 30 pounds gained, I felt like I had developed much better habits and was much happier and just kept going from there.

[@mengl29]

@@poejavelski148 Sounds like you've done amazing mate, congratulations on your successful efforts. I will say, as someone who has been on both sides of the spectrum, it is still difficult for me not to either undereat or potentially overeat, however, i'm doing my best to maintain a healthy lifestyle, and in the end that's all we can do. Do our best to be the best version of ourselves we can

[@poejavelski148]

@@mengl29 Love to hear it, keep doing what you’re doing 💪

[@JW-1089]

Thank you for sharing. There are so many weight loss stories on this app that are very inspiring.

[@mengl29]

@@JW-1089No, thank you for taking the time to read it, I appreciate it

[@raindropmangoes]

dominick is so well-spoken. i hope he gets the resources he needs to improve his life for his own sake as well as for his family :)

[@gupppythefish2711]

Hi! someone who wrote a 10 page essay on food deserts here. Food deserts are where a community as in as big as a "small town" to as small as a neighborhood has no local access to healthy FRESH PRODUCE. If you look up videos touring food deserts... they may have grocery stores, but these stores are EMPTY i mean literally empty. There is nothing but microwave tv dinners and offbrand lays chips. It's terribly sad. These communities are not only obese, they obese and starving in some cases, kind of upset me no one even knew or saw what a real food desert was 😔.

[@k8con]

And it affects about 46 million Americans!! Interesting they assumed they were rural areas, and didn’t think about the inner cities …

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

In cities they are due to vandalism and theft.

[@williamsveen2827]

Stores carry what sells.

[@16ilovevampires]

Topic idea: Parents of multiple children vs. People who are childfree by choice Some prompt suggestions: I've been judged for my choices My moral or religious beliefs have contributed to my decision I feel represented in social media I sometimes envy the other side

[@meyass4163]

this is the most interesting suggestion ive seen @jubilee 👈👈

[@RachelDee]

Additional prompt: my financial habits and goals contributed to my choice

[@dinkyboss]

This! I have a feeling they’ll make that video soon because it’s very topical

[@vl0731]

Yes!

[@savannahrichardson254]

Yesss

[@dewis9997]

The plus-size community needs more people like Dominic to speak up because if a skinny person says what he said, it doesn't come off the same/ some might feel it's fatphobia, but if he says it, it's more accepted.

[@jaysellers011]

It's sad that the Western society is like that. I think humans with different backgrounds should all have a voice

[@jeffisjeff5511]

Are you sure he’s plus sized? Because most plus sized people are healthy. Since plus sized is just a bigger build instead of overweight or obese

[@gur262]

​​@@jeffisjeff5511😂😂😂no plus sized is obesity, in almost every example of it

[@jeffisjeff5511]

@@gur262 Plus sized isn’t obesity. They both are different things. Please do research because it’s very bad to spread misinformation. Many plus sized people are healthy. They just have bigger bodies which would be healthy for them. Again plus sized and obesity are completely different. Don’t mesh them together.

[@Lady_Graham]

@@jeffisjeff5511I’m pretty sure plus sized is simply an umbrella term that refers to anyone above the average weight across a population. This can include oversight, obese, or morbidly obese. At least that is what the trustworthy sources purport.

[@keirahleesha486]

I laughed so hard when Lauren said “Skinny people” don’t go to the junk food aisle 😂😂 Just because someone is skinny doesn’t mean they are healthy ✌🏽

[@sweet3488]

Lol yea they say junk food is horrible but people like Parker thinks it’s fine to not eat for entire days

[@leftunsupervised]

@@sweet3488 And Lauren was really vibing with that grapes and lettuce only diet 😂 Ah yes, fiber and fructose bombs. So healthy.

[@avalonstout1490]

@@leftunsupervisedshe literally said the exact opposite. She was actually anti dieting

[@britterthecritter4531]

Facts, I’ve been skinny my whole life and got high cholesterol 💀💀

[@leftunsupervised]

@@AlesBejr-jk2py Thank you. I don't know why people keep ignoring what words mean in favor of how they are feeling about a word at the time they are typing it.

[@drecon549]

As a personal trainer and nutritionist I would love the opportunity to be a part of one of these episodes. There’s so much information I wish I could have shared to both sides that I think would open up new ways of thinking for both people

[@Smackindaface]

They wouldn't have listened anyways

[@YTho-ev1ej]

Being skinny doesn’t mean your healthy but being obese means you are unhealthy. I think parents have a duty to make sure their kids are healthy, both mentally and physically (and being overweight pertains to both)

[@duels]

​@@KaitlinSkilton not very often you can say its not food related. people will always come up with excuses

[@duels]

@@KaitlinSkilton look at other countries, clearly something is going on that’s severely unproportionate. not just conditions as it’s made out to be

[@FakeVenatus]

@@KaitlinSkiltonyes and this apparently uncommon thing seems to affect mostly Americans it seems. Definitely not the fact the USA is known for junk foods high in sugar and with less care about what chemicals go in than most other countries

[@TheAmazingHoho576]

And emotionally!

[@tartantulakid666]

@@KaitlinSkilton it's a bit of a stereotype that the woman always looks for the exception and not the rule. Are we really going to pretend that 60% of the adult US population all have genetic diseases?

[@kaitie4200]

As someone who has been both severely underweight AND overweight, the way I was treated while overweight was so much worse. Sure, I was made fun of while I was too thin - but doctors believed me, strangers were kinder to me, the world accomodated me.

[@Sarah-xq4cf]

OMG THIS! I was overweight and nobody ever batted an eye to me, never got compliments, etc. Lost 30 lbs due to depression and there were so many compliments but I was in such a worse mindset. I've gained back around 14lbs and I've been so happy even though the compliments went away. It's crazy how our weight (even just a minimal amount in change) can make people view us differently in seconds.

[@chainsaw_king0476]

Actually I agree with this overweight people do have it worse when It comes to bullying but it comes to compliments I think it's because people overlook how harmful it is to be under weight. As they aren't as noticeable at a glance as clothes often times hide it

[@DrArthurCGarp]

Bingo! I grew up very overweight, I don’t think I ever hit clinical obesity but there was no mistaking how big I was. When I finally lost weight the treatment I received from others made me want to cry and so I kept going until I was nearly underweight. When I say I went from getting zero attention (dating wise) to being hit on I mean it. When “nobody” cares about you and then you suddenly have people telling you how amazing you look and should feel it does something to you psychologically and physically

[@ronny-yj8oc]

True, but being underweight is also a HUGE struggle that so many people are overlooking and feel free to comment and judge on easily since "you're skinny".

[@Blakoss]

It’s pretty privilege. People are subconsciously nicer to better looking people. It’s got nothing to do with how healthy you are just how sexually attractive you look. It’s pretty messed up but it’s life

[@lisac6905]

This should be renamed Anorexia vs Binge Eating Disorder. In the first 5 minutes that one guy said he chooses to go without food some days. Literally every person on this panel has said something that relates to disordered eating. Jubilee needs to vet their speakers better because both sides are just pushing an unhealthy lifestyle.

[@user-he2ou2ex2f]

Yh 100%. Jubilee just loves to get outliers in the discussion. While still interesting takes away from what the debate should’ve been.

[@wonubee]

Exactly.

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

Yeah, I thought that was incredibly strange. Once I saw the skinny guy I immediately thought he had an eating disorder or something.

[@rosee8140]

The skinny side is definitely not 'anorexic', having disordered eating and being skinny is not the same as anorexia.

[@trilogy135]

Yup

[@Olacola0]

Saying scientists are fatphobic is crazy.

[@joshhoggle]

i weighed 230 and came down to 140 it changed my life actually my whole outlook im more positive and my mental vibes are way more delightful

[@dank4556]

I think people underestimate how much isn’t just physical but mental. My therapist actually recommended exercise to help my mental health, I went from a bmi of 30.1 to 23.6 and not only did every health marker improved but so did my depression and really all aspects of my life. I feel so much better in all ways as I started taking care of my health

[@joshhoggle]

way to go pal!@@dank4556

[@user-ch6uw4pf2x]

I think a lot of it is do to the lifestyle changed that came with weight loss. Body image is only one part of it

[@Shark-pj8in]

​@@dank4556it is physically straining which can cause mental strain too. As well as society hating on bigger people.

[@Jaysi_NY003]

That crazy I started 250 and now I also came down 140. I salute you !!!, it was not easy. “Self discipline”

[@TheMindOf_Reason]

I like Dominick, I wish him and his family well in the future. He seems like a kind soul and he is very self aware.

[@Shirx.ley7]

It’s a huge problem that people don’t think obesity is unhealthy. Has nothing to do with being beautiful. Everything to do with dying early for no reason.

[@9395gb]

Thank you. They are focused on the aesthetics of weight and beauty. It should not be about that. It's about health...high blood pressure, diabetes, heart attack, joint problems, breathing issues, stroke and earlier death. This can be said for being underweight as well. But the lack of acknowledgement of the weight being uncomfortable and impeding their ability to live a happier and long life.

[@leftunsupervised]

This is based on my experience, so caveat there, but I've never met an obese person who thought that their obesity was healthy or even pleasant. It's very uncomfortable physically. I've met obese people who don't want to be judged as less healthy in their habits than skinny people and treated differently as a person based on their weight alone. Which, to me, is fair. I know loads of perfectly thin people with terrible eating habits who never work out. And many overweight people who eat healthy and exercise. 🤷

[@Shirx.ley7]

@@leftunsupervised FYI I am an obese person. I never once have claimed to be healthy, as the people in the video are, nor do I think it’s ok. It’s a huge problem in America. I’ve been on a journey to get healthy and have lost 100 pounds in the last year because of my own personal choices. Everything comes down to choices. I’m still obese and I workout 5 days a week. At the core, nobody is naturally obese and I agree that we should all be treated equally but also obesity is a huge problem and only made worse by corporate greed and the overconsumption and gluttony taught in our society

[@leftunsupervised]

@@Shirx.ley7 Congratulations! That's incredible! Is obesity healthy? No. Do many obese people have healthy habits equal to or exceeding the habits of loads of thin people? Yes. I know them personally. They're putting in the work like you, but they aren't getting the results like you. They have other conditions and health factors than you don't seem to have. So, GREAT! That's awesome! But know that your experience isn't universal, so you can't then stand up and say oh, well, it's always a choice. I think the people in the video, esp. Cambria, were saying that you can't assume she's just a person with no self-control based on looking at her. She has healthy habits, she just also has lupus and was given medication that made her gain weight. That wasn't her choice. She doesn't have the same scenario as you, nor should people assume that she does.

[@Shirx.ley7]

@@leftunsupervised I understand where you’re coming from but I also am studying nutrition and exercise science and there’s no health condition that prevents weight loss by caloric deficit. It is how our bodies are fundamentally wired. Being slightly overweight may not be a choice but being obese is. Some may have to work harder but science is a fact. Understanding your own body and adjusting to your own needs is what it takes if you want to be healthy. There’s no one size fits all, but all should make every effort to be healthy. Nobody’s body is at a 300 pound set point, that’s not how it works chemically. Even with hormonal syndromes and issues, there are choices you can make to be at a healthy weight, I’ve seen it plenty of times and have my own experiences with physical limitations. There’s truly no valid excuse to being obese other than you just don’t want to put in the work, which I understand but let’s be honest about it. If someone is happy with their body then I’m happy for them, but I’m not going to agree that some people are healthy and obese and some people just can’t lose weight when it’s just simply not true.

[@onlyghxst04]

everyone else correcting lauren when she said "skinny people dont go into the junk food isle" was so funny

[@lovablevietboy]

Not everyone is perfect and she took it like a champ so what

[@alexusjames6768]

Madeline is not the average weight, I wish someone corrected her in a way that was still sensitive and respectful to her feelings. The avg woman in this country is 170 pounds at around 5ft 3 in. We have to be careful with the information we provide during these discussions so we are not misinforming others. I think this was a very productive convo though.

[@itsnotif.itswhen]

True, it’s also sad that 170 lbs at 5’3 is still Obese Class I

[@JohnSmith-bs9ym]

@@itsnotif.itswhen That is not a rational way to look at said statistics. For example, one woman is 600 pounds, one woman is 110 pounds and one woman is 140 pounds, the average weight would be 300 pounds...But then you have only one unhealthy person and two healthy women. Madeline is absolutely in the minority. She's trying to rationalize her illogical choices with even more illogical reasonings.

[@mr.psk.972]

​​@JohnSmith-bs9ym Lol that's how average works, putting to extreme numbers doesn't justify it coz these numbers are very less % of population. Moreover work on your maths as you put the wrong average here.

[@coletrainhetrick]

I tired of being sensitive. They're unhealthy, they don't care, and people trying to be sympathetic and nice isn't helping

[@alexusjames6768]

@@coletrainhetrick I see where you’re coming from. It seems like being nice doesn’t always help in the long run but I wonder what the balance is between being blunt about someone’s health and sugar coating their behaviors. We are no longer honest with our people and it shows.

[@koolkat6070]

Lauren messed up a lot of very easy debate points and surprisingly Dominic seemed to be the most down to earth of the cast. His reasoning is probably a reflection of the way society currently treats overweight men in comparison to overweight women. Edit: to add i reckon they should've had a bodybuilder as part of the cast as well

[@hoophinhimer]

I COMPLETELY AGREE. There were so many points that that could've been made, but it seemed that they chose subjective points instead of actually looking at the concrete answers.

[@YoBoi-cu6bh]

I think they should have added a section of “average people” with BMIs for 20-30.

[@YoBoi-cu6bh]

Like me for instance I am 153 and 5’6 I have a BMI of 25. From my personal experience obesity is a choice in the winter my weight usually gets up to around 155 due to less activity and holiday foods. Then in the summer I will usually lose 5-10 pounds simply because I tend to be more active. This isn’t genetics it my personal eating and exercise habits.

[@Soulociraptr]

Three things I wanted to note: 1. I like Dominick, he was very reasonable. 2. Loved Cambria, she stood her ground and was pretty reasonable too. 3. Loved the fact that they all stayed on Lauren's neck because I already knew what type of time she was on.

[@rrg69able]

Lauren made valid points. I think people don't like hearing truth because it comes off as mean and toxic, which is a direct result of Americans becoming overly sensitive. The body positive movement, racial issues, social justice causes, etc, have made people extremely sensitive that truth now sounds mean. I have seen people respond to truth/facts with claims of it being "white supremacy" and why those facts/truth are false. Overly sensitive people can not handle truth anymore.

[@GothboiKenzy]

Lauren is actually smart and she tells the truth how it is. Unfortunately people hate the truth and make excuses all the time.

[@Soulociraptr]

@@GothboiKenzy I'ma let you continue thinking that, 'cause what am I to do. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@MyriamBernard13]

​@@GothboiKenzy fax, ppl got their feelings hurt, that's all it is l9l

[@Soulociraptr]

@@MyriamBernard13 It's not, but continue. 🌚

[@ameliavanwyck7846]

Not the weight loss pill ad before the video😭

[@abi-fs5jt]

lauren acting like everyone can go see an endocrinolgist and not worry about medication costs...

[@familybitestravel4630]

Yep. AND if she has hyperthyroidism... she is more likely to be skinny.

[@tobiasdelasson8992]

just live in europe 👍

[@sapphire1817]

That's exactly it. It's complete privilege to bekuege that we all can do that especially as women and don't even get me started on those who are ethic lol

[@amandathaler1456]

She definitely carries the mindset of "I am thin and I am the better for it"

[@gabby9388]

Literally

[@justanotheryoutubefan8070]

Dominick seems like he's probably a great husband and father. He just has that genuinely kind and smart look.

[@daniellewinn5774]

Shame is NOT the way to go for the most part. Food addiction is often caused by shame. You can't shame the drug addiction out of an addiction, it just doesn't work that way. Patience, kindness, and candor is the way to go. Honesty is vital, but it is not the same as shame.

[@Slut4NoOne]

THIS!!!

[@TheGreatPapyrusSpaghetti2697]

So true

[@cybermoonboy]

you know exactly how it is

[@JuanMendoza-qd5lm]

As someone who actually had an addiction to drugs- Yes you can and SHOULD shame it out of them.

[@daniellewinn5774]

@@JuanMendoza-qd5lm what worked for you isn't universal

[@sarahlavrnja7832]

FOOD DESERTS ARE IN CITIES TOO!! The poorest neighborhoods in DC are all food deserts and it's a huge problem here.

[@n_a8917]

She had plenty to eat, obviously

[@donn.4766]

Lol food deserts. No, you people just want FAST FOOD. Theres grocery stores you can buy and cook your own healthy foods, its also cheaper. But guess what, you’re lazy.

[@beyiokuibukun9602]

​@@donn.4766sigh if you would research properly, fast food places will be found in food deserts

[@donn.4766]

@@beyiokuibukun9602 food deserts are probably like 1% of the entire usa. A vast majority of obese people arent because of food deserts. Sounds like an excuse. Humans have lived thousands of years without being overweight. Look at developing countries and poorer places, some are healthier than Americans.

[@hmhm4219]

That girl who mentioned possible link to the thyroid should be checked for hypothyroidism if she can, that definitely causes you to gain more than the average person

[@zbridgjpxupzm]

It's true thyroid affects things a little bit but at the end of the day it's your hand that puts the excess food in your mouth and it's your choice to not have physical activity

[@moosh3044]

She for surrrrreee should!!!! All it is, is a blood test, the medicine is very affordable too and life changing !!!!!!!

[@Yiti-ff4wg]

I have hypo and you do gain weight but it’s not an excuse. You can loose weight and stay at a healthy weight.

[@Meep295]

Scientifically, it doesn’t cause as drastic of a difference as people think. It’s always calories in calories out. You’re the one putting the food in your mouth

[@DayDayBradshaw]

⁠@@zbridgjpxupzmthat’s not true, my mom has thyroid problems that has grown so big she looks pregnant. She’s not severely overweight but it has been difficult because quite literally she can’t drop that look because of her thyroid. You really shouldn’t speak as if that’s everyone’s situation….

[@NickLehman-g1c]

Nobody is talking about Parker’s points. He often went against the grain and provided valid arguments to every prompt. Him and Dominick were definitely the most well-rounded and well-spoken.

[@clobkw9371]

i'd love to see some qualified experts to come together for this same topic

[@joneriksen9051]

Wouldn't be very nuanced when they should have the same fundamental views

[@TheAmazingHoho576]

@@joneriksen9051Exactly. It's not that hard... Obesity is BAD

[@thenoseyskeptic]

The episode would be done in minutes :,)

[@Morgan-kn7iu]

Seriously! I feel like Jubilee has been better lately about getting people who are at least community leaders in a topic online, if not actual experts, but I feel like this cast was a real miss in terms of expertise.

[@TheAmazingHoho576]

@@Morgan-kn7iuI guess it was to see the pure delusion at play then LOL

[@AlexShiahinian]

When my endocrinologist told me that I was pre diabetic, I asked her what I could do to prevent that. She said she would prescribe me metformin. I kept pressing her and she then told me that I could eat low carb but if she had to bet I would get diabetes in the future. That pissed me off so much that I made it a pint to prove her wrong. I walked 10,000 steps a day to start. Then I joined a gym worked out 3 to 4 days a weeks to start off. The more I went the stronger I felt and I started to love it. I craved the gym as much as I craved candy. I would eat portioned meals. Steak, potatoes, little bit of veggies with butter. I cut out bread and pasta. Every now and then I would have a cheeseburger and I still ate tacos. I lost 30 pounds over 6 months. Don’t let a doctor determine the future of your health.

[@AmberGonzales-sp8gz]

Example of how "shaming" pushed you to do your best. I'm so happy it gave you the fuel you needed to live your best life ❤. I dislike shaming people, I remember how much it hurt me to be shamed (for alcohol) all the time, but I eventually used that to get my act together. I didn't do it for me at first, I did it to prove myself to others. At some point, I stopped getting healthy for others and started doing it for myself. So maybe shaming can help, it just seems so cruel. 🤔

[@Aviciiz]

Madeline saying she is the average weight of a woman in America is either a lie or a big disappointment from America.

[@edwin1845]

70% of the usa is overweight 40% obese

[@CoolCat847]

She is not the average weight, I checked the stats because I was so shocked. It's 170.8 lbs (77 kg) and she definitely weighs more than that.

[@Aviciiz]

@@CoolCat847 Yeah I knew that had to be a lie she probably tells herself to sleep better at night

[@cngotham4111]

She be lying to win an argument or shes uninformed

[@db_2408]

honestly, my jaw dropped when she said that

[@Thew-The_W]

Madeline did not just say she is average weight

[@valarmorghulis25]

Yeah that was insane

[@queenleo5578]

She said she was the closest out of all of them. The average size in the US is like a size between a 14-16 now

[@n0isy-rat]

The average hieght and weight of women in america is 170lbs and 5’4 😰

[@Goosebeoms_]

​@@n0isy-ratAin't no way💀🤚

[@lcvinhannah]

@@Goosebeoms_ idk how true it is because it’s google but that’s what it says.

[@slowdivingg]

i really hope parker is okay. at 1:14 he mentions choosing not to eat for a whole day. this is really worrying to me as someone who is in ed recovery.

[@icygangonice]

the way he describes it reminds me of how bodybuilders describe eating 4k+ calories during a bulk season. it sounds like parker has it under control to maintain his body build. as long as his metabolism, level of exercise/activity, and food intake is balanced and controlled, i think it can fall outside of the category of an ED

[@tmtmtm520]

@@icygangonice True, but willingly staying VERY underweight isn't healthy at all. He mentioned he was 6 foot something and 140 pounds. I was wondering if he was maintaining his current weight because he might be a model, but still, unhealthy, even tho he technically has control over his weight

[@missqt48]

I choose not to eat! It’s too late I want to fast Discipline! There is nothing wrong with telling yourself not to eat in a kind way. Starvation.. now that’s a different topic!

[@ItsOnPaper]

Learn some discipline buddy 😭

[@slowdivingg]

@@missqt48 thats completely fine, but not eating at all, all day isnt. and the idea of not eating to maintain a level of being underweight, leading to fear of eating linked with body image issues, is disordered eating.

[@arber9287]

2:59 I’m sorry but this is just a lie. If you are not eating over your maintenance you will not gain weight. Unless she is the first human to break the laws of thermodynamics this is a lie. Stop playing the victim and begging for pity.

[@babblebrain4963]

So for me watching what I eat barely maintains my weight and I still do gain weight slowly despite eating less than my partner who weighs 210 lbs is male and muscular he also has higher energy levels and I do try to exercise to my level of ability

[@mikhaylasellars2362]

saying skinny people don’t eat junk food is insane

[@RichardTavilla]

I don’t think you realize though that, even though they do, it’s the amount of it. Overweight people are extreme liars about how much they actually eat. They lie to themselves. Yes skinny people might have a cupcake once in a while but they don’t have three every day.

[@sierra94iolana]

@@RichardTavillaas someone who is definitely considered skinny…I often eat a whole pint of ice cream and carb-centered meals on a daily basis. Our natural metabolism is a big determinant of our set weights.

[@Mike-hk8lx]

@@sierra94iolana of course and age comes into play as well. Amount of junk and booze and I consumed in my 20s.

[@88ひびき]

@@RichardTavillaa cupcake once in a while? 😂😂😂

[@RichardTavilla]

@@88ひびき she eats a case a day

[@LeonB1]

Can we appreciate dominick by being so honest

[@doctorposting]

everyone praising dom cause he was the only normal one in a group full of fools😂

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

There were other non-fools here, ​@@doctorposting. Actually, only Madeline, Cambria, and Lauren were bad.

[@doctorposting]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728Lauren was the only one with any logic

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Lauren was uncharitable but yeah, smarter than Cambria, at least, @@doctorposting .

[@choclte_vbes6979]

@@doctorposting disingenuous take

[@TheRedpanda18]

As someone who was obese and now lost over 100 pounds I feel so much better mentally and physically, my body no longer aches, my hormones have somewhat balanced my period became regular again. I lost the weight healthily and it was not easy buy once I noticed how much more comfortable I was after I couldn't believe how many years I waisted just victimizing my self. Of course everyone body are different but America needs to realize we are over cosuming food and we have more sedatary lifestyles, we have to try harder to be healthy.

[@keirahleesha486]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@YesDutchess]

Congrats on your weight loss! 👏🏾

[@becca-tg5pn]

proud of you!! you have a great outlook on it. america has an obesity problem and many people are too lazy to fight it. i'm proud of you and your accomplishments! no longer poisoned by the american government

[@Thatredkona]

Congratulations!

[@shipittttt]

Truth.

[@timosnieder4637]

Being active becomes less hard when you embrace an active lifestyle. And it doesn't have to be gym. There is something for everyone. I love kayaking and hiking.

[@seeee_7777]

If Lauren was better educated in her arguments and knew how to handle her argument and defend them she may have actually been able to get her point across correctly and accurately. Not to mention the fact she already has false ideas about the skinny community

[@KsandrPann]

Skinny community?

[@starmoral5456]

​@@KsandrPann*Normal people

[@seeee_7777]

@@KsandrPann I just mean the people who are skinny idk if there is actually a community dedicated to them

[@Raphael-2]

@@seeee_7777 It's not the first time I see people saying "the skinny community" so I get it but it is still hilarious, like being skinny is enough to form a community lol. I think you just meant skinny people/population.

[@seeee_7777]

@@Raphael-2 yeah that is what I meant. I was trying to get that across but in a quicker way ig. Like I said idrk if there is a community actually dedicated to skinny people.

[@nae2115]

this was such an interesting conversation as someone who is considered skinny and is trying so hard to gain weight.

[@silk132]

yuuuup. with you

[@justinsime3786]

Same here

[@fatib3200]

Sure but there’s a certain point where you don’t wanna gain anymore

[@prettyfart]

me too! i wish there was someone with that perspective in the video

[@ohhhbirdy5975]

not trying hard enough

[@ccolivardia]

Seeing some of the viewpoints Lauren had about access to specialized healthcare and access to stores that aren’t dollar stores/discount grocery stores says a lot about how she grew up and the world she lives in.

[@sciencelover7582]

she grew up in a world where she had access to healthy food and got a referral to see an endocrinologist? thats what should be happening, its not a bad thing

[@peachmilkbby9899]

Yes but not everyone has access to that and her saying what she said was not taking this into account. The woman who she was responding to clearly didn't have access to the same privileges. @@sciencelover7582

[@kotyarazuchara8329]

Why, is that a luxury in US?

[@desiree5895]

@@kotyarazuchara8329depends on the insurance one has but most ppl have access to grocery stores with healthy food that is affordable, most just decide to not buy the healthy food.

[@avaday8475]

@@kotyarazuchara8329it is for some, yes

[@Nebulawanderer403]

Dominick is great and I’m glad he doesn’t make excuses like the others. His mentality is spot on, I can guarantee he will the one only out of the other overweight guests that WILL make a change and focus on his health. He’s realistic and focuses on the health benefits of being a “skinny” person not just the aesthetic. I like his perspective and his take on these arguments. 👏🏻

[@socialmimicry]

I really don't think Madeline is considered average size as she claims.

[@Lagiacrus1996]

Yeah like a quick google shows its about 170lbs. I don't think she's 170...

[@rchilla5860]

I almost spat out my damn water when she said she was the average.

[@brxndan222]

i had to pause the video and just stare at disbelief in what she said

[@hayleywhelan3243]

Maybe it's because she's so top heavy that can make you look so much bigger

[@lilycakes49]

Height contributes to how weight looks on someone. She's pretty short

[@NicoleReign]

Lauren is so blind to her privilege, it’s tragic. In the US, no, everyone doesn’t have the choice to walk into a doctor’s office (which is hundreds of dollars….) and get checked. Crazy that she made that suggestion

[@jaynez9027]

Agree. Her responses were pretty out of touch.

[@Eroshenkova]

If you realy care about yourself you will get the money for your health. Btw in Russia it's free.

[@cd3xp]

plus not everyone lives close to a grocery store !

[@sznlaura]

@@Eroshenkovain america average people can’t afford it. Have family ther but am from europe and its really nit accesible to many people there bc like for some its either paying for food and school and rent or doctor

[@user-he2ou2ex2f]

@@jaynez9027 nah, she keeps it real. No wonder she can manage her own weight. We’re just a society that enables self victimisation. No accountability.

[@metronia2183]

nah the way Lauren was slowly shaking her head when Madeline said she was the average weight for women in America 💀. 10.32

[@victoriaperez2752]

Lol she like no im the only example of average

[@_diw_5705]

like wtf shawty said she average weight at like 300 pounds

[@slimey.1387]

Yea I was like pretty sure the average weight is 170 lbs in America… 😭

[@canary3853]

I mean she was actively wrong. There is *no way* that woman is 170lb’s or lighter. Which is fine. I could not care less how much she weighs. I do think it’s a false perception of either herself or the rest of society.

[@kv913]

Because Madeline is delusional

[@howlroseXI]

Love the guy with the Hawaiian 🌺 shirt he is so knowledgeable and well spoken

[@bayamonrican]

Madeline saying she is the size of the average American woman was incredibly disturbing. If this is how the average American woman looks like then we 100% have an obesity problem.

[@gacusrunner2004]

That's the same thing I wrote a second ago 😂 , average is 170 pounds she easily weights 300 pounds

[@lukeandrew3335]

Lololollo!!

[@jusletursoulglobaby]

almost 42% of Americans are obese.

[@garyg8rbeatz]

She a damn lie 😂

[@DeplorablesGarbage]

@@gacusrunner2004average woman use to be 145

[@selfridgesforever4399]

As someone who has been on both sides people don’t talk enough about money and obesity. It’s not just buying healthy food but it costs money to cook it, to get somewhere to buy, having land or space to grow it, even living somewhere that has access to decent kitchen facilities. Let’s be honest, people being overweight makes people a lot of money. It’s why there’s so many fast food and unhealthy places in poorer areas.

[@taserrr]

If you purchase a gas cooking fire, a wok, and a steamer you'll spend about 300 bucks which can last you for a decade or more and you can make hundreds of great, easy, cheap, fast recipes with it that will save you thousands in the long run. It's really excuses, I can cook up a healthy, far cheaper, easy meal in half the time it takes somebody to wait in line at a fast food restaurant.

[@WynneL]

Absolutely. On top of what you said, there's also the fact that insurance can lead to an inability to have relevant medical issues treated. When I had anemia, I went from being able to pound my way up a set of stairs in seconds to panting heavily after struggling up three steps. I lost a significant amount of weight after transfusions and surgery to fix the bleeding--because I could move again, and wasn't struggling to get enough nutrition for my body to produce enough blood to keep me alive. I was lucky to eventually get sufficient care. Sadly, others aren't that lucky. It's not how it should be in any developed country.

[@selfridgesforever4399]

@@taserrr how many people have 300 bucks to spend on those things?

[@novatare]

Even that's a bit of a shallow way of looking at it. There's surely at least just as many ways that money can be made of people being underweight.

[@yoursnatchedweave641]

how can it possibly be cheaper to buy already made foods vs cooking for yourself?

[@raedorin979]

I really appreciate the big guy who just empowered himself to make the change he wanted through his own choices

[@when1250]

Did you have to call him the big guy though funny as 😭

[@nenemahlangu5539]

Lauren and Dominic are saying the same thing but everyone is hating on Lauren because of how she speaks and because she’s skinny.

[@piinkvenom776]

it’s because she is condescending.

[@irishcoco725]

Red dress is obsessed with thinness equating to morally better. Seems like she is looking for a gold star for being thin.

[@margherita2729]

so do the other people there. Trying to be proud and own the fact they're huge. Pathetic

[@Makeupyourworld629]

She is, she is a narcissistic person.

[@pointlessmike]

@@bosco1603 The majority of the world don't have access to medical care? I'm in Canada, so my understanding of how it is in the US is limited, but... majority?? gtf outa here...

[@francisco.mrsm.22]

​@@pointlessmike Genuinely this is the case. I can only speak for myself, but I make $20/hr in a relatively low cost area and yet I can't afford to see a doctor most of the time bc of a variety of factors, including cost. Also, just because on the outside someone's issue is easily fixable. They talk about it here, if you look at someone and think "they just need to check their thyroid or eat better", sometimes there's more than that. You and I could eat the same thing for a year and do the same things and maintain ourselves, but we'd still cary weight differently, etc which, according to some assumptions, means one of us would be doing something wrong.

[@Sophicx]

@@pointlessmikeCanada has free healthcare, America does not. Thats the point there, Mike.

[@pete5819]

As a former Personal Trainer for years. It's very difficult to lose weight. It's 100X more difficult if you have a specific health condition that most people don't understand. The worst thing is 20-25 yr olds telling people how it is. I have an empathetic approach after yrs training people with many health conditions, disabilities, & impairments.

[@sugarfish223]

THANK YOU! That's like Elon Musk giving tips on maintaining a budget. And also thank you for working with many different types of situations.

[@cambriaplusmodel]

Thank you for this comment. I appreciate people who don’t see everyone in a cookie cutter mold.

[@laces.7960]

I am on this boat I feel that each person has an ability be healthier, with in thier ability. Issues is balancing your health in a realistic view, and knowing what you can do.

[@Morgan-kn7iu]

People appreciate you and need you! Keep it up!

[@Alae_ffxiv]

@@karlwithak. ahh yes eat 600 calories and force your body to go into starvation mode to lose weight. What a healthy mindset.. not

[@Yoimiya_Lover29]

As someone who used to be chubby and now is skinny, it was worse when I was chubby. I've been shamed as both, but when I was chubby, it hurt so much more. People genuinely hated me, and I wasn't even *that* chubby. Now that I'm skinny, the shaming is in a more "envious" way almost. Like "oh wow you can eat all that and not gain any weight, it's not fair", or "you look like a skeleton" followed up by a "you're so pretty". It sounds awful of me to say this, but I much prefer being skinny, simply because I'm actually treated like a person. That being said, it's completely unacceptable to shame someone on their weight, no matter what. The comments I recieved when I was younger still make me thing I'm "obese" to this day when I'm 94 pounds. That's it, rant over.

[@unapologeticallylizzy]

I have always been skinny, but the comments I get are like 80% "Oh, do you not eat?" "Oh, you need to eat more" "So do you, like, have an eating disorder?" I'm not even unhealthily skinny. It really hit me what they said about your body always wanting to be a certain weight because I tried _so hard_ to gain weight - even a couple of kilograms to push myself out of the edge of the underweight category - and it just wasn't happening.

[@FirstNameLastName-wt5to]

It sounds like you have an eating disorder. Please seek help. There’s a healthy medium.

[@sugarfish223]

@@unapologeticallylizzy Now increase that disregard and judgment by a factor of ten, and you'll start to get within sniffing distance of what non-skinny people experience all the time. You should understand that perfectly, since you've had personal experience with size shaming. 😊

[@realdragon]

Ignore them, people suck at judging values. Listen to doctors and get into actually healthy weight

[@nox8_026]

​@@realdragonthat's easier said than done.

[@jessicaornelas3592]

It’s a choice! You choose your daily routine, you choose the groceries you buy, you choose the thoughts that linger in your mind you choose the way you look clothes, hair style, makeup, piercings… etc. We need to stop victimizing ourselves like the cane girl and find things that work for us for a longer and healthier life. Life goes on to fast to just sit and find excuses. Do better be better feel better.

[@_elianacuevas]

i think lauren grew up with a very small lense on being a girl or a bigger person in general. she made very ignorant statements but she also made a few statements that are true. she just needs to be open to feedback and open to the fact that bigger people experience life way differently than she does

[@jakob5630]

are you overweight or obese? (just yes or no, im collecting data for a project)

[@BigMamaWuWu]

​@@jakob5630You sound like ignorance

[@jakob5630]

im sorry ma'am

[@fudgecake76]

Just lay off the chicken tendies, it’s really not that hard

[@jakob5630]

bro true@@fudgecake76

[@ilidog]

I think Lauren and Madeline specifically represent two drastic sides of the argument that are both wrong and kind of dangerous to promote. Lauren represents a part of society that is very judgmental and shallow and thinks being skinny is what healthy is. Madeline represents a part where there seem to be so many excuses on why people are obese and are discriminated against. Both logics are detrimental to society.

[@RoseAllDayyy]

Lauren casually throwing out that she made a choice to see an endocrinologist and acting like everyone has that available to them was mind blowing to me. I’m not even American and even I know that health care in the US is expensive and there are financial barriers for people to see doctors, let alone a specialist! The lack of awareness of her privilege is astounding. I’m sure there are plenty of people who are knowingly missing out on health care because they simply can’t afford it.

[@deliciousnatalicious]

The outliers on every Middle Ground episode are always the people who show up on the thumbnail lol

[@rachelmarkham6286]

Madeline is NOT the average weight for a woman in America. My jaw dropped when she said that.

[@mariah-dx7ck]

Agreed, both are projecting an extreme viewpoint that is equally damaging. Hope they both realize that and find some middle ground

[@Malikai-kx6pn]

​@@rachelmarkham6286NO LITERALLY I WAS SHOOK I was like we can joke around but she was dead srs and wrong 💀🤯

[@forgetmiiknot]

Its not about wanting to be skinnier for me, its about wanting to be healthier. As someone who is currently plus sized, I have been wanting to lose the weight for a while and just started going to the gym, not because i want to be skinny but because i want to not feel literally weighed down anymore. And i dont care if i dont get down to my normal bmi, if im a bit over its okay. I just want to feel like i can do things physically and not feel like crap. On the other hand, like one of the ladies was saying, I actually felt more insecure about my weight when I was 120 lbs in early college. I felt better about myself at 200 than I did then. But now at 250, im back to not liking myself because i cant just go hiking with friends, go for a walk, or to an escape room without my weight being a barrier to my participation or me being incredibly out of breath and needing breaks when no one else does

[@hieronymusesquireiii380]

I resonate w this a lot. I’m pretty skinny, but very unhealthy and I know my habits are harming me. No one should be targeted for there weight, and we can all improve ourselves with dedication and support💜

[@avadickerson5143]

I believe in you i lost 60 pounds just stay consistent you got it❤!!

[@censaim]

This approach will help you so much better to reach your goals as well. I think when people only have the goal of losing weight, it gets easy for them to stop the habits they built up once they lost it. Or they can use the extreme dieting or exercising (which is unsustainable long-term) to reach the goal, and they burn out because of it. With the goal to be healthier, it is slowly adding different patterns and healthy habits to your life and will be better long-term, even if initial progress is slow.

[@cricketwastaken]

10:31 she is NOT the average weight. the average in the US is 160-170. she’s over 220lb easily.

[@queblue7153]

Madeline is no where near average weight for a woman in the U.S. I don’t know why she would ever say that it was an utter lie. The average weight for a woman is 170, she’s clearly not.

[@bethmableson1769]

I noticed Lauren shaking her head when she said that💀

[@imMagic1000]

Also correct me if I’m wrong. Didn’t she later in the vid refer to herself as obese? Like you can’t be the average weight AND OBESE… doesn’t work like that.

[@jmcmillon22]

@@imMagic1000 You're wrong. Obesity is based on weight and height. If you're short you can be the average weight and obese.

[@BL4K_B4BIES]

@@jmcmillon22 yes but you'd have to be very short and overweight to be considered obese and avegre weight. i looked it up and you'd have to be about 5ft madline is nowhere near that.

[@jmcmillon22]

@@BL4K_B4BIES my comment is in response to the person saying you can’t be the average weight and obese because it “doesn’t work like that”. That’s incorrect.

[@RoboticComplexity]

I grew up in an actual food desert in the desert in Yermo, CA in a trailer park with no car. We walked miles to go to the convenience store and pay way too much for food. My mom had 8 kids so whatever lasted the longest was what we got. Food deserts are actually real and impact poor people heavily

[@rosanorman8475]

Why did your mum have 8 kids if she’s poor

[@RoboticComplexity]

@@rosanorman8475 you'd have to ask her that lmao I have no clue

[@minority86]

So you must be skinny since you had little access to food

[@fantasticulous]

​​​@@dongsicheng170 This is true. However, I still think that you shouldn't have more kids than you can provide for. I think that many people (not saying that her mum is the case) just like having many kids because they love kids but what is the point if they can hardly get by and therefore have a childhood with so many struggles :/ This topic should really be more discussed earlier in schools (I don't know about the US but in my country, the first few years are mandatory and paid by the gouvernment so for sure all people go there before becoming an adult no matter how poor they are)

[@RoboticComplexity]

@@dongsicheng170 my mother lacks emotional intelligence as do I. Book smart and emotional intellect are so different. But I chose to make different choices and my kids have a much better life for it

[@thatjordandudee]

Should've got a bodybuilder in this

[@FaithMosley-m5g]

I think they should put people in here that no matter how much they eat they can’t gain weight

[@shomplit9970]

@@FaithMosley-m5g they dont exist. unless they have a severe digestive issue

[@RedWolvesF22A]

@@FaithMosley-m5gThose people don’t exist. With proper exercise and nutrition, you can gin weight unless you have a disorder in which case this discussion wouldn’t really apply to you.

[@AdmCornFlake]

@@FaithMosley-m5g The vast majority of people who claim no matter how much they eat, they can't gain weight, it's because they're misjudging how much "a lot of food" is. The point is they're eating as much or beyond what makes them feel full, but they're still not objectively consuming very many calories. I'm a person who cannot put on weight exactly after 165lbs, it feels impossible for me. But it's because I simply cannot eat that much consistently. Even though I can shovel myself full, proper calorie tracking reveals I under-eat most days on a regular basis, so those binge days don't have an impact. Having the liberty to eat what you want off impulse, whenever you want, however much you want really gives a false illusion and does not reflect the true reality of how much they're consuming in a net total of the week.

[@yourdad2723]

@@shomplit9970bro they obviously exist. I eat so much and cant gain nothing

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

I find it so ironic that the skinniest people can come after obese people, but will puff a cigarette and chuck down alcohol on the daily. In honestly, most of them don't care about health, they are just incredibly superficial. There are many people I've spoken with that talk about obesity in America being unhealthy, but they smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol like it's three meals a day. This is how I know they couldn't possibly care about "health". I say that people pick their vices and how they choose to live their lives. I'm incredibly skinny, 95lbs, 43 kg (?), but it is because I was incredibly unhealthy and almost passed away earlier in the year. I was so unhealthy, I had to have a hysterectomy and can't have children. No one should make the mistake of thinking that skinny means healthy. People should aim for the proper BMI, and that's decided by that individual's doctor. I never understand why other people are so bothered by other people's weight. No one should be that weak minded. Shame never works, it only makes people more defiant. Encouragement is the proper way. I've learned from trying to tell smokers and drinkers to stop that they won't stop just because I've said so. They'd have to make whole lifestyle changes, and this means they need support from family, friends, neighbors, and others.

[@Smithpolly]

So you're OK with someone who is skinny and doesn't smoke or drink alcohol pointing out that it is unhealthy for people to be obese?

[@kayleeshaw8597]

@@SmithpollyWhy must you find some negative thought about this instead of trying to understand their point?

[@Smithpolly]

@@kayleeshaw8597What do you consider to be negetive about the comment?

[@nox_p0376]

​@@Smithpolly Why do they have to point it out though? Why go out there way to tell someone that? Why not just mind your business?

[@Smithpolly]

@@nox_p0376 Why do who have to point what out?

[@jpurser55]

shaming as a tool to help people very rarely works, and I feel very rarely comes from a place from compassion.

[@Afrogirrl]

Then what is helping?

[@kaylizzie7890]

@@Afrogirrl Listening to people is often the best way to help them. If you have a close enough relationship you can also offer help, advise or encouragement. The important thing is keeping in mind what the other person wants for themselves, not what you want or think they need.

[@jpurser55]

​@@Afrogirrl If someone came to me and asked "how can I lose weight" I'd tell them the first step is to accept who you are. then you'll gradually start to appreciate healthier life choices because you'll start to value yourself and your body. but self acceptance is a grueling life task that can take a life time to achieve. because you must overcome childhood trauma, people in your life, societal pressures and other external factors.

[@Afrogirrl]

@@jpurser55 exactly that’s the issue is changing habits. Some addicted to overeating is like someone addicted to alcohol. I wish there was more help for overweight people it’s such a sad world.

[@jpurser55]

@@Afrogirrl as a recovering alcoholic I'm honestly very unempathetic towards addicts. Not because I don't think they need help they most certainly do, its just impossible to help addicts without enabling their addiction in someway. the only thing that will save them is their own suffering and their own willingness to stop it. but of course this is just from my own experience and why I formed this belief.

[@gregorbauer4095]

Dominick really impressed me - such an intelligent and self-aware human

[@true2527]

real

[@celinepa8246]

Noone should be wearing g-strings in public. Period.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

Nah, people should be able to wear (or not wear) what they please as a matter of autonomy.

[@cheesecurdinator4010]

​@@AppleOfThineEyenah its gross

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@cheesecurdinator4010 You don't get to restrict someone's rights because you find them distasteful.

[@cheesecurdinator4010]

@@AppleOfThineEye I do too

[@unconventionalguitarist9129]

Yea, I agree with cheese