Did You Leave The Church To Sin? | Why I Don't Go (Season 2 Episode 4)

[@nowfaithis9799]

I agree with some of what they say. I disagree with some of what they say. But what I find interesting through 4 episodes (and other platforms I've observed) all the young people say listen and learn about us and rightfully so. But when it's older folks turn to teach and younger folk turn to listen, they cry foul and say they're being judged. Communication is a 2-way street.

[@davidduran9905]

Ya I’m new to this series so I’m very interested to see how all parties respond to the counsel they get.

[@KirbyDTrim]

That point is soooo underrated...Communication is actually a 2-way street.

[@KirbyDTrim]

@@davidduran9905 Me too.

[@TinaMo4Sho]

I've learned that most people aren't listening to learn, they're listening to respond.

[@jaylenthompson9238]

I find it interesting that people regard church in totally different way than any other area of their life. I'll give a few examples as to what I mean. 1. People hurt your feelings on your job and you don't quit or not show up the next day because someone was mean. 2. We get rejected at the club by women/men and we don't stop going to the club. 3. We don't choose to not go to the hospital because other sick people are there. 4. We stay in far worse romantic relationships than the relationships we have in church. I said this to say that all of these issues that we experience in church are issues that we will experience in every other area of our lives. I am convinced that God allows these challenges in churches to help us grow and mature. If you study the NT churches, they dealt with these same challenges and Christ provided us with guidelines on how to handle conflicts with fellow believers (Matthew 18)

[@van182]

Jaylen Thompson...This is one of the best post pertaining to this subject matter, that I've ever read.

[@jaylenthompson9238]

@@van182 Thank you. Praise God!

[@jslumor]

SPOT ON!! THANK YOU!! No offense but I was disappointed to hear their reasons.. I understand them but still disappointed. When you realize this is a battle ultimately for your soul, you might be less concerned about who is offending you and focused on maturing and abiding in Christ..

[@jaylenthompson9238]

@@jslumor Thank you and you hit the nail on the head with the end of your comment. 👍🏾💯

[@eastsideapologetics6147]

Wow! Great thought and true

[@calebcranke777]

I respect there responses and vantage points have validity from there experiences. I find it weird nobody is said they left church because of the understanding of Gods word wasn’t being correctly preached etc. The church is a body of believers that come to to fellowship, worship, pray, and to hear the word together. Then are commissioned to go out shared the good news to others We often put up with our jobs that have rules regulations etc for a paycheck but when the church has norms to dress with modesty etc then it’s an issue, but our jobs tell us that we go with the flow. I find the church or assembling of the saints gets a bad rep or treating like a step child because people look like I’m not getting paid so I don’t have to be committed

[@jslumor]

Such a good point. While I respect the concerns and reasons, if people don't understand the truth of the gospel and what Christianity is, you are less likely to be thinking about your preferences and more concerned about what God's standard Is. It's hard to realize that ultimately church is not a club. Its God's idea and should be run completely according to his idea and not ours. Even if it is 'antique'

[@sarahphilip8224]

🙌🏿🙌🏿

[@mrsbdubc2174]

Exactly!!

[@JayJay-me8zk]

I agree with you, especially your first paragraph. In my criticism of the church, it's usually (always) about man/woman. I can be quick to kick the entire church institution to the curb because of a handful of PEOPLE. Fortunately God has established a large church body. If I can't or just don't want to fellowship with a particular group, there is probably another just down the street to try on for size. I refuse to paint the entire church with the same brush (service too long, mean ushers, out of touch pastor, hypocritical members, etc...). Most importantly, I'll find one where God's word is taught. His word can and should at times "cut like a two-edged sword." Ref: Heb 4:12. I gotta be sure it's the people and not simply His word that offends me. Ref: II Tim 3:16

[@calebcranke777]

@@JayJay-me8zk right I agree with you. Yes some churches have some of those issues, but we encounter the same stuff if not worst at our jobs and we continue to have long suffering and preserve because that check is involved. However when the church does it it’s I’m no longer going to the church anymore. Often the things that burden us the most about our churches we fellowship at God put it on your heart to do the work and help to change that particular area of the ministry. What we have a lot of people on the sideline saying alot but never get in the game. Another sad stat is that that only 30% of the church ⛪️ is involved and doing the work when the 70% do not do anything but sit in the pews or use the church name/affiliation as a badge of honor with no skin in the game. It’s sad

[@natashaallen1687]

I love when Denis said “you cannot flourish as a human”. This is so true in a lot of cases. Sometimes church culture (not the faith itself), stifles a person’s identity by dictating how that person ought to present themselves. This of course varies across cultures, but sometimes people don’t discover who they truly are (like, interests, values, etc) until after they leave the church

[@van182]

If one has to leave the church (body of Christ) to find themself, then perhaps they were attending the wrong church building, and serving the wrong god. You discover life when you connect with the True and living God.

[@shawnahall7246]

Yes it’s part of our culture and vocabulary and I find people using phrases that are religious language without even sometimes realizing it

[@Amberrechelle]

I’m a believer but I’m not going to church because I’m not learning how to grow in God … I’m done with sermons about materials ! I want my soul be healed

[@calebcranke777]

I had moments like this in my journey one thing I found is when you don’t study the scripture for yourself along with the teachings you get and don’t apply them. It will give you that feeling that your not growing in God. Most people in the church can’t tell you what church service is about md what the message was. Sometimes church can be a righteous activity you do on a Sunday or wurst day for Bible study. However it’s so much more than that. You have to diligently seek God through prayer, fasting and reading his word.

[@ak20x]

“Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled” Matthew 5:6 I felt the exact same way for years but I kept praying and God lead me to start following RTMGroup on KZbin.. I began to apply the things they taught, regardless of how I felt or my opinion because they supported EVERYTHING with scripture. For the things I didn’t agree with I told myself “I just have to act in faith”.. The way God began to move in my life and the way my relationship with God is growing and my understanding is flourishing is mind blowing! Just my testimony in case you wanted to know how I began to grow in God 🙃 lol.. Be assured, you’re hungering so you’re going to be filled ..I’m praying for you!!

[@MicahElohim]

I left a few times due to being harmed. Then I found a good church but I still left to explore other religions and ways to actually heal and eliminate my suffering.

[@josephwhite6580]

One does not leave the Church to sin, again, we ARE THE CHURCH, SO WE LEAVE THE CHURCH "IN" because the Word of God "WHO" IS GOD instructs us to NEVER forsake the assembling of ourselves together as saints. HEBREWS 10:25, ALSO PSALMS 133:2. FOLKS the church is just a building. We are the Church so we bring the Church to the BUILDING...SELAH!

[@Bibletalk_101]

Bottom line, most churches are not professionally equipped to counsel hurting people. People go to church to fellowship and that's it. It feels good, people get emotional, cry jump up and down, shout, listen to a quick sermon, but once service is over, most are walking right out those doors back to experiencing their hurts, traumas, relationship issues, marital issues, financial issues, etc... Churches need to create a professional counselors offering/fund instead of some of those other nonsensical funds that are really just another way to collect money and have nothing to do with helping the congregation. That's why people go and get outside help because the church is not helping them navigate real life. Living a sinless life is not all there is to life.

[@thetruest7497]

Interesting. My mom is a "Christian counselor" she also has a masters in clinical social work, so she can also provide real counseling. I went to her "Christian counseling" graduation to show support although I am completely against the concept and was mortified by what I heard there. They were actually thumbing their nose at mental health scholarship in favor of some sort of biblical counseling, I didn't expect that at all. I expected them to use scholarship with bible words sprinkled in. I am still terrified that these Christian counselors are out in the public causing irreparable harm to people's lives. I say this to say you bring up something extremely real and there is a need to address it, but the church needs to stay out.

[@tamarasbeauty1016]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@MicahElohim]

Churches believe the Holy Spirit will heal the saved. Churches are best at operating shelters and food banks for those kind of needs. A home economics class is a great idea though. The severely mentally ill need outside resources for their conditions.

[@blaizeharkens]

Thank you for this series. I look forward to the next episode. My story is a little different. I never officially "left" the church, I just haven't gone back. There wasn't any abuse, but there was neglect. Five years ago we had a thriving small group based out of a church in a neighboring city, but when a ministry leader came along and said he felt led to start a local church around that small group, it was uprooted and there are literally no remaining members besides my sister's family. They have yet to start any small groups other than for youth and college-aged adults. I am a 32-year-old mother of 2 and felt little to no support from this church since I started having kids. They guilt people into being involved in ministries even when their life circumstances don't allow for it, and when you're not there 3 or more days a week they act like you're a heathen. The straw that broke the camel's back was when my dad passed away in July. He had been faithfully serving at the church for years despite health issues. Because of those issues, he was living with my husband and me since he couldn't take care of a house on his own. So, when he passed suddenly the church made a big show of hosting a memorial service for him. It was very sweet and beautiful. But in the aftermath of losing my dad and having to handle his estate and handle his affairs without the help of my siblings, absolutely no one has contacted me to see how I am doing in the 4 months since. No text, no call, no card. Silence. My sister makes it seem like it's my fault because I hadn't been attending regularly. But no one ever asked why. No one ever made me feel wanted, only that it was some kind of duty to attend and serve sacrificially, even if my husband has been working 60 hours a week and the only quality time we can spend together is on Sunday. No one has ever reached out. That's why I haven't gone back. Even though I crave Biblical teaching and fellowship, I never felt fed or loved or even admonished. Just apathy.

[@deeinfinite]

The panel is so brave and as a believer im thankful for their honesty and transparency. We (the Church) need to allow God's Spirit to teach us how to handle people (both believers and non believers) better... as well as allow healing from our own hurts so we don't hurt others

[@christymoore4047]

I pray that this helps someone: One of the things that helped me deal with the challenges that arise in the assembly of Believers was to take an honest assessment of whether my attendance, service, ministry, etc., was because of duty or desire. When I could honestly say that desire (because of love of Jesus) was motivating me, it helped to better deal with whatever challenges that otherwise could have pressed me to walk away.

[@sophiaa594]

Amen.

[@HarrisonFamilyValues]

12:58 Great question. Why should people go to church on Sunday if they are not getting the fellowship that the Bible says is needed for believers? What is the point if they are going to sit in a pew facing forward in a concert-style meeting room or cathedral, hear music, hear preaching and leave? The one thing that is missing from many modern churches is the community, REAL community not "I'm a member of this church" That was good 10, 20, 50 years ago. Today, the community is important.

[@darlineb426]

That's a great point. As a single, church was the loneliest place I've ever been to. Always felt left out, Valentines Day at church is embarrassing, the pastor asking the single ladies to stand up for prayer 😒 then asking the few single men to step up and the congregation laughs at our expense. Church is for families and children. Once you reach a certain age there's no community. I'd participate, go to events but it would have been nice to socialize with people in my demographic. Sad thing is that singles make up a huge part of the congregation but we have no voice. We're asked to serve because we have no spouse or children so we must be free 🙄... We're just silent neglected labor 🤷🏾

[@HarrisonFamilyValues]

@@darlineb426 That's a sad fact. We've become too institutional and non-community driven. Singles equates to free labor masked as service to God. Yes we serve others but how is church serve people. 💔

[@iamlisaevans]

Yep! The greatest and best example of the church is the church that was developed in Acts after Jesus’ ascended into heaven. They lived with one another, broke bread and gave their possessions to one another. We don’t do that anymore

[@HarrisonFamilyValues]

@@iamlisaevans 100% agree. The effectiveness of the church surrounded three things, The preaching of Jesus Resurrection, the practice of prayer and worship and genuine GENUINE fellowship

[@marcusdbatson]

I often hear others in my generation talk about "relevancy" but many times (and obviously not everyone) their definition of relevance is determined by the world and secular society; I mean, the Church, as in the Body which is headed by Christ, determines what is relevant by what God reveals to be relevant in scripture through the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit. In addition, the church is not a social club, and sometimes my failure to acknowledge my own sin can consequently blind me from seeing that the same people in the church who have disappointed me because they were not what I needed, wanted, or expected them to be, that they too are also in need of the same Savior that I am. If the church sought to be relevant for everyone according to what each individual decided was relevant to them, the church would in fact be a very progressive, passive, and quite useless social club. What is relevant to every human on earth, is what they decide about Jesus and what they decide about a relationship with Him, because that is in fact the starting place. I don't attend church to be served, but I got to serve. Of course I am not perfect, there have been times that I didn't want to go, or didn't want to serve, but I expect hurt people to hurt others, broken people to break others, whether intentionally or not, and religous folks to unnecessarily and aimlessly judge others while ignring or being ignorant of their own issues; but I still go because my relationship with Christ has and will always be my reason; it has led me to be able to develop my relationship enough "outside of church" that I'm not pressured to stop attending, but rather believe that God can reveal the wisdom needed to work through any issue. I think this series is great, and perhaps doing a "Why did I stay in the church?" series would be interesting too. Because some people choose to stay as well, and not because they're ignorant of the craziness.

[@nowfaithis9799]

Man great insight brother. And that's not a half bad idea about Why did I stay. All or close to all of us have had an experience in church we could speak on. But all the talks and conversations are always about why folks left and after a while they just turn into a bashing session and what everyone else did wrong. But there are a good number of people that went through stuff and stayed in church. Maybe not the same church, but they kept going to worship and fellowship with other saints.

[@dp5141]

It’s odd to me when they say they leave because of fake or phony people. If you measure your group of friends or any social structure you participate in, with the same scrutiny, you will find fake and phony people.

[@MissH2Kings4v1thru7Set4Life]

I’m a mom of young adults you all’s age some of this has been informative. Some of the thoughts 💭 I had when I was coming up as well. Discussions are important. Shutting people down or trolling is not cool.

[@CharmeleSuccess]

I left my church because God told me to. It had nothing to do with the people or the organization. If I left because people hurt me, I would’ve left a long time ago. I left because God told me to and it was scary at first, but I am understanding the faith differently now that I am not in church. I have to seek God for certain topics that are not addressed in the church. I had to realize I am the church and everyone who is not in the church isn’t a sinner. It’s been a lot for me 😩 but God has been faithful.

[@Indigolily80]

I agree. For me, the church sermons leave a lot to be desired. There are a lot of subjects that are not being taught or preached about.

[@CharmeleSuccess]

@@Indigolily80 totally agree.

[@LivingOnPurpose1]

@@Indigolily80 Read the word of for yourself and study it and meditate on it day and night, like King David once said. I did a study on King Ahasuerus and itb was very interesting and I learnt so much. I did a study on Sergius Paulus and it also was delightful. I already know I'm to turn from the appearance of evil and its a daily fight but then what about ancient civilization other than Egypt 🙄 How long on foot did it take Jesus to get from one place to the other? Oh so Moses marriage and home life wasn't all sweet huh? What was the deal with that one husband leaving his wife outside for the mob a men to rape her violently to the point of death and then he carries her lifeless body back to his country, stirred his peoples up and just one bag of crazy drama. Like, really Lot? Offered his virgin daughters to possessed homosexuals!!! So after Paul preached to the masses and they returned to burn all their witchcraft paraphernalia; that tells me that "the new age" philosophy been existed 🤔 See, I just read my Bible. I don't mind a sermon/message but I most definitely spend time with God and His word.

[@charistart6027]

As a 40 year old PK, I'm here for all of this and I'm glad this conversation is taking place.

[@ChildofGod98765]

Help me holy Spirit! Move me and guide me. Thank you God! I’m seeking you! My fellow Christians please pray for me. My husband died three years ago making me a single mother.I MISS HIM DEARLY! I lost my job over my poor health (heart attack) and for not getting the vaccine. I have two beautiful boys who are autistic. I’m struggling to provide for them. With them being special needs it cost a little more to provide for them. I feel so alone. Soon we will be facing homelessness. It is only because the kindness of strangers/Angels we are not. Please keep me in your prayers. I have faith God will provide abundantly. Stay strong I know things are hard durning this time. But keep Faith because Our Lord and savior is coming soon

[@oldschool5]

WoW. I hope the best for you and ya babies. You very strong to be going through all of that and still stand on your square with that vaccine. If you strong enough to do that then we all know that you strong enough to through this.. Peace and Love to you and your family.

[@eastsideapologetics6147]

Will do! Stay encouraged! You got this!

[@philippakerindukwe8443]

Praying with you sister. It is well. Your testimony will be great! Thank you for reaching out to ask us to join you in prayer.

[@hidokenface]

People need honesty, truth, humility and for sure consistency in belief not just on Sunday. Hypocrisy is the biggest killer of faith, that lays squarely at the feet of the modern church. Church leaders in the civil rights era were huge LEADERS of that movement period.

[@jacksontenise6946]

Same Sis to the one who needed to leave to take care of herself… I was just so physically and emotionally exhausted… In love w/ Jesus, but needed a “time out” from church and the people…

[@roneedarby1746]

Authentic Connection!!!

[@ShavonMersing]

I feel like the when churches say “they wanted to sin” also don’t want to acknowledge that the churches (leadership and lay people alike) have some culpability in the loss. The statistic is like for every 1 that comes to the church 3 or 4 are leaving.

[@codeblood2000]

I'm very fortunate to be in the church where the pastor is open the questions and he also encourages you to check in the Bible when he gives a sermon

[@lada8638]

This is what will lead to transformation in the church good work

[@jentlejoe]

@ 8:30, that is such a real statement. Wow

[@elizabethdanner3681]

Thank you for your openness. I am listening.

[@opalivy739]

This was a really good discussion and dialogue to hear the thoughts, perspectives, and opinions of these guests. Airing out their reasons and why's, in why they don't go to church. I haven't been connected to any church in over 15 or more years, bcuz in my own assessment and examination of many churches. They are disconnected, irrevelent, has an old and antiquated paridigm model of ministry. That is religious, ineffective, traditional, and obsolete. That cannot empower or effectively help people to discover their purposes and callings in their lives. This is why we should go to church in the beginning. To help us discover the reasons and why's, in why we exist. To bring change, impact, transformation, and influence of God within our spheres of influence with our gifts and callings. The church should be about serving the interest of the people or a community. Not worshipping and serving Pastors!!!

[@van182]

Have you read the bible? It explains clearly the purpose of God's church.

[@opalivy739]

@@van182 Are you assuming that I haven't read the Bible? The purpose of the church was created and designed to bring and impose the kingdom of God principles. Into our society by and through Christians discovering their callings and purposes, to bring influence, make impact, and revolutionize our nation. This is not the case nor the experience that people are experiencing going to church. It's about people serving a pastor and his vision of building a brand for themselves

[@stephengilchrist3606]

What about the Sin in the Church that causes people to leave the Church? 🤔🤔

[@BlessedOne-jp1cy]

They think it shouldn’t be there… But sin is everywhere!

[@mrsbdubc2174]

@@BlessedOne-jp1cy yep sin is everywhere

[@JayJay-me8zk]

I would love to hear from this same group 20 - 30 years from now (good Lord willing and the creek don't rise)! Having been a 20 something and now having lived another 20+ years, my perspective on the "older generation" in my youth has changed. Some of the things of the church that I thought were funny, boring, irrelevant and ridiculous are now the foundation of my faith in a Christian walk. Just say'n! The young and hip become the old and irrelevant in the blink of an eye. This is because of the filckleness of man/woman. Fortunately God is consistent and the truth of His word endures through all generations. We think we are woke, but we "see through a glass darkly".

[@MissMuttonmeat]

@Jay Jay What makes you think these same people will still be apart of the faith in 20-30 years later? The people in the panel didn't leave because church was uncool and old fashioned they left due to their own personal grievances with their churches. I'm in my mid 30s and not only have I left the church but also the Christian faith. I have no plans to go back either.

[@oldschool5]

@@MissMuttonmeat Why did you leave and why you aint comin back

[@oldschool5]

You talk about "woke" and seeing through a glass darkly. I feel like the Youngstas are on a journey with a different prospective. Perhaps your glass is darkly and you are not "woke". Maybe your concept of god is being looked at through a glass darkly being that it is a European concept of god that you probably ultimately adopted from former oppressors. I solute the Young Folks for cutting in their attempt of cutting out the middleman.

[@mrsbdubc2174]

Same with me

[@JayJay-me8zk]

@@MissMuttonmeat I make no assumption weather they would or would not be a part of "the faith" in 20 - 30 years. I was just stating I would like to hear from them. It would be interesting to me how their journeies had been.

[@codeblood2000]

I'm willing to argue that if the church was everything they wanted it to be they still wouldn't go

[@rosk3445]

I like that Hurt people hurt people. I have been hearing it for a while now. and my family is hurting, because of the hurt. And pride or who is right or more spiritual is killing the relationship.

[@Jor-Day-Nah]

Uhhh we all know you don’t need to leave church to go sin. Many come to church to tell better about their sin. This is a great series. I’d love to be a part.

[@gena3136]

It's apparent that the persons seem to not have a real relationship with God. Going to church is definitely important but it's not about that, it's about the relationship you have with Him.

[@gymeni]

Leave the church to sin? There’s plenty of it going on under the roof of the church, some of the worst I’ve personally seen!

[@AuntMarysNiece]

I love this show. Yes people are mean in the church. I remember struggling just to go when I got there and the usher told me when collecting my money that, " I need to learned to get to church earlier. I almost cursed her Jeri Curl wearing out. I didn't really wanted to go in the first place. I just did it because I was use to going.

[@MissMuttonmeat]

I would have took my tithe money and walk towards the exit. Sorry you experienced rudeness in the church.

[@AuntMarysNiece]

@@MissMuttonmeat that was the last financial offering I gave and Truthfully I was going to give them more in a week but the heifer couldn't keep her mouth together and just let me just sit in the back row peacefully.

[@carvellboyce6434]

I LEFT CHURCH RELIGION ALONE AND STEPPED BACK AND STUDIED THE WORD I'LL NEVER GO TO CHURCH OR PRACTICE RELIGION AGAIN BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE

[@Annx70s]

Left,,,, something happened and was told basically sweep it under the rug.. was told don't bring up the past. God will take care of you. What have I done to change things? Everyone sins do you think your perfect? It goes on and on.

[@marquessmith395]

Man s/o to Lisa for doing something that we in the church dont do a good job of.....listen. It seemed like there were times where she wanted to and she didnt.✊🏾

[@dwightrucker7750]

People want Christ as their Savior but not as their Lord.

[@jamkwt]

And completely on their terms. Like how can people avoid what the Bible clearly say

[@BlessedOne-jp1cy]

What would make you come back?

[@oldschool5]

Information

[@BlessedOne-jp1cy]

@@oldschool5 amen ty

[@rodb66]

Why would people leave the church to sin when they're a lot of people in the church who sin? Is the doctrine that we were born sinners?

[@dwightrucker7750]

The lady with the red hair knows absolutely nothing about Christianity and went to church her whole life. You do have poor teachers. But you also have poor students.

[@lavernechambers3902]

Why...to worship God through song, teaching and fellowship..

[@josephwhite6580]

In the text below I meant to write we leave the Church "IN" SIN!

[@calebcranke777]

I knew what you meant

[@alonzoshell4222]

You cannot survive without being part of the body! We are connected and need to be in fellowship with one another. There is no perfect Church. We are humans, not Jesus. The body is ONE.

[@terria.mccurdy9190]

dear lisa fields... ive recently watchd & listend to sevrl of yur videos; particulrly th 1s on why ppl leave "church"... i appreciate u & preston & jackie hill perry & othrs who G.O.D. r allowng to participate n th divine challenge to th "church systm/culture"... i am prayng tht we all r not only unified thru salvation n Christ Yashuah but also n Holy Spirit truth... was th eklessia really th same as th church systm?... is G.O.D.'S Word/The Holy Spirit really th same as th bible?... perhaps u may pray n The Holy Spirit on thez passages?... jrmh 31:16-40 jhn 6:60-65 2crnth 2 2thslns 2:9-12

[@terria.mccurdy9190]

edit jhn 6:60-70 add psalm 5 b-4 2thsln 2

[@bcdmovement6856]

I agree with sometimes the classism in church

[@stillwaters4097]

Did you leave the church to sin is such a silly question. I left the church because of all the brainwashing, silly man made rules and traditions, hypocrisy, pulpit pimps aka pastors, fear based sermons, the fake and phoniness , literally begging for money and taking up multiple offerings and the only one thriving is the pastor meanwhile the members are struggling. It took me years to unlearn all the foolishness that I was indoctrinated with in my years in the church. I am much more happy and fulfilled now.

[@oldschool5]

same

[@MicahElohim]

Can you do better? Where there are 2 or 3 believers, Jesus will be with them.

[@BeWiseLegette]

Love the conversation, but someone needs to put some lotion on their ankles 😂

[@juliusrobinson7363]

I think that the question is redundant. The reason one would go is because of sin. The reason people go should be is to seek a new life. Plus, the Bible says if any man be in Christ, he's a new creature.....not if any man be in church. Everyone there is in need of help, it does not matter how long they have been there. Was everyone in their churches mad and unsympathetic? I would say no. It it amazing that they will put up with all kinds of attitudes in other venues ( jobs, clubs, etc.), but when it comes to a place where everyone has an opportunity to help and contribute, they have little tolerance. They just don't want to go.... for what ever reason.

[@mwn1552]

I need the church to stop 🛑 lying 🤥 about tithing. Stop lying about the word to suite, there life styles. Stop the abuse

[@tamarasbeauty1016]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@tyron302]

12:00 is speaking to me

[@yngclothing]

The heavy set girl talked in circles. She said no one leaves to sin. Then said some people leave to sin. She said don’t assume people leave to sin but also don’t ask that question. Honestly these people are confused and they keep illustrating their lack of understanding of what church is as opposed to being born again

[@LivingOnPurpose1]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾‼️ Yes to everything you have stated here and throughout this series.

[@bcdmovement6856]

Yes in the church and still sin 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@KiRetteCouture]

Interesting decision. The keywords for me were: listen and why. Sometimes people who have been in church for long don't understand how others perceived The Body. I pray they all (re)discover Christ and grow stronger in Him.

[@suzanturner369]

Jude taught in the last days people would despise church government. The church has never been perfect, just read the New Testament. Many Godly people through out history suffered greatly at the hands of the church. For example, Hudson Talyor's funding was removed by the church. As a results, his infield team died of starvation. What kept these saints was not a perfect church, but a perfect Christ. Change has not occured in the church, but in the attitude of the person's heart towards the church. More importantly, their attitude toward Christ.

[@oldschool5]

When was there a time people did NOT despise church government

[@suzanturner369]

@@oldschool5 You are correct church government has always been despised. But, not to the degree, as we see today. I have been actively involved in church outreach for years. There has always been a few, but now it is more than the majority that are dissatisfied and have left church. I also, find many church attendees are also unhappy. Rare to meet someone who is not church hopping. Only two of 10 Millennials consider church attendance as important.

[@tonicrawford375]

Some leave to sin and some don’t leave to sin.

[@nathanrembert9368]

This may sound old school but this is a trick of the enemy and I bind confusion of the mind... In Jesus name!

[@j.towles5376]

Unfortunately leaving the church is not an option. There is no such thing as Lone Ranger Christianity. I know people like to say “I didn’t leave God, I just left the church” but unfortunately God set this up in a manner where our faith is lived out through the church, there is no other way. If you don’t like the church, your only alternative is to gather some other likeminded people and start doing your own thing if you think you can do better, not just stop going. I’m not saying these people aren’t saved, but they are undoubtedly outside of God’s will. They need to belong to some kind of body of believers.

[@williambeckwith742]

Well I listen to y'all and compare to my experience is a nightmare the pastor cuts me out grab me and my collar call himself and burn some me in front of his it's click in the church but all did he get up Awakening so I can understand why y'all wouldn't go but you need to go to God's house you need to block them people out of your mind put your mind on Jesus and let his Spirit be your God cuz that's exactly what I did but I can tell you today I want to have nothing to do with none of those people from that church God can deal with them but I can do without them

[@roneedarby1746]

The church is not asking the question!!!!

[@qcbtbx]

😢

[@manitoublack]

People leave the church for all sorts of reason. but mostly (with regards to the evangelical churches) is that they realise that it's all a scam. Or they want to go bike riding / car racing on the weekends. not sit inside. Jordan

[@thetruest7497]

I left the church because I found out none of it was true. Then I suspected that the clergy knew this and decided to lie about it every week from the pulpit. And if they didn't know then they weren't fit to be in their positions.

[@nickjones1314]

None of it was true.. So everything you found in the church was false? Everything?

[@thetruest7497]

@@nickjones1314 not a single thing said in church was true. I would actually have respect for the church if it told the truth and let people decide, but instead the flood you with lies from a young age so that by the time you're of age your brain is mush. It's sad but effective

[@bkj58]

They think this is a joke

[@alezandradavila2581]

Yea also they have no Boundaries for personal space I work and I enjoy my money

[@rosestephen6789]

Very sad.

[@yngclothing]

“Some people aren’t friendly so I just don’t wanna go.” Lol do people think that way about their job? Or their family? That’s a poor spoiled brat mentality.. so if something isn’t bubble gum and rainbows you’re not going? Got it.

[@tamarasbeauty1016]

I just spoke about this on Facebook last week and i COMPLETELY disagree with you. Reason being is yes we encounter issues on our jobs but love is not a requirement on my job nor is anyone on my job professing that they are holy so therefore i go there to get my job done and collect my check I'm not trying to make friends, but many times when people join a church they are being sold on the whole love and holiness deal and then when that is not displayed it puts a sour taste in peoples mouths. At least i know that the people on my job and in the club are a bunch of heathens!!

[@MicahElohim]

Yes they do. That is why people quit jobs and leave family alone.

[@loveyb9090]

@@MicahElohim bingo I quit my job over it. Other blk ppl think we have to tolerate hatred when we dont.

[@MicahElohim]

@@loveyb9090 I have left a few churches and didn't go back to churches over abuse.

[@eddiejones3874]

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, no one wants to read.

[@tyron302]

Lol "we know why they got married in seven months" well...p 😬

[@codeblood2000]

This just proves church is not for weak spirited people you have to be strong to walk this path period but let me agree with some of what they're saying the church needs to be more aggressive in teaching the word but they can't also allow these young people to bash the church either there are good churches there are bad churches you don't give up because you've experienced bad churches if you want to walk with Christ you keep pursuing the Lord that is your focus it's not the pastor and it's not the church members

[@terria.mccurdy9190]

did th church-whn did th church leave G.O.D.?...

[@nickjones1314]

Huh

[@terria.mccurdy9190]

@@nickjones1314 hi nick jones...if "th church" was nstituted by th greek-roman empyr/catholocsm/raycsm then perhaps, we shud b askng whn was "th church" evr led by The Holy Spirit?... notng tht "th eklessia" & "church" r not th same...

[@nickjones1314]

@@terria.mccurdy9190 that's a good question

[@roneedarby1746]

You don't know because cause you didnt ask!!!

[@wesleymemenon683]

Pastor Gino Jennings

[@whatshatnin4572]

Philip Quaque

[@sankofa1503]

Christianity is a pagan religion developed by greek gentiles.

[@oldschool5]

Do you have any evidence to support that claim

[@kevkev1078]

No the first Christians were Jews.

[@oldschool5]

@@kevkev1078 Yeah, thats what the pagans tell us.. But we dont have any literature from Jews. No Jew ever gave an African a bible.. We all got our bibles and our Christian rituals from Europeans.

[@kevkev1078]

@@oldschool5 not true. Josephus was an Israelite and we have plenty of documentation from Jewish historians about the history of Christianity. Christianity is the fulfillment of the messianic prophecy. It wasn’t a new religion. It started first with believing Jews who believed that Jesus was the messiah. The gospel started first in the Middle East, Africa, Europe, and then I spread to the rest of the world. Acts11:26 KJ21 and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass that for a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught many people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

[@kevkev1078]

@@oldschool5 no Jew gave an African the Bible? I think Ethiopia would say otherwise

[@sankofa1503]

Where do smart people learn about sin?? Do u know? No, Math got it. lol

[@roneedarby1746]

The church is not asking the question!!!!