How Money Issues and Lawsuits Ruined One of The Best Female Vocal Groups of All Time | En Vogue

En Vogue is an American R&B/pop vocal group whose original lineup consisted of singers Terry Ellis, Dawn Robinson, Cindy Herron, and Maxine Jones. Here is their story.
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[@FromMikaWithLove]

2 pennies per record??? Hell no! I’m with Dawn. Pay me my coins!

[@ceeceetracey9839]

Entertainers get their money from touring and live performances. Money from record sales goes to the record company. Entertainers wanting the money from record sales would be like record companies wanting their money when they come off tour. THis isnt 100% accurate but its pretty close. I was surprised the first time I read this, I think in Mary Wilson's book Dreamgirls. After that, every book I read about the music industry was almost identical in regards to who gets paid from what.

[@fixthatface483]

@@ceeceetracey9839 That’s not completely accurate. Artists still make money off of records sales if they are very successful. En Vogue was a very successful group and should’ve been making more from the record sales. The deal they were in was basically what they call a “slave contract” in the industry and it was typical of what a new artist would sign, especially back in those days. They should’ve been able to go back in and renegotiate after the 1st album and definitely after the 2nd album.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

@@fixthatface483 i agree with you 100%. I wonder if they ever tried or was it just constant bickering and arguing. I'm going to look into how much entertainers get off of record sales because i never saw where it was much. Maybe more than 2 cents but not much more. The Supremes got a penny.

[@Stonecoldalston]

@@ceeceetracey9839 that's bullshit times have changed its time for those standards to change also especially since there's no more physical CDs that have to be printed up and most Artists marketing is online the Labels change things when it benefits them like when they brought in the 360 to try to get money from the Artists shows Merch and Everything else it's time for the Artists to get a bigger cut

[@Fa_Qx2]

@@Stonecoldalston Ask "Chance the Rapper" How come he didn't go through NONE OF THIS !!!

[@excaliber8713]

Dawn was the only one that tried to stand up for them since they were getting ripped off . Also they were wrong for letting Terry do her solo album but didn’t let Dawn do it . Ain’t no en Vogue without Dawn !

[@Tiajones333]

I agree she wanted to give them what they deserve

[@allibest888]

Yes so.true i also.bought Terry album to support her . But it wasn't good at all. But hey itsball good dawn and Maxine are working on there cd and its gonna be fantastic. Dawn cd that she did it is a very good cd totally love it

[@MoePeezy]

Wasn’t she messing with the manager or something like that? I heard something like that back in the day

[@rissaceehart4076]

@@MoePeezy Unfortunately, Yes She Played herself by sleeping with one of THEIR Manager's Denzil (Denny)Foster formerly of/from Club Noveau (RUMORS,Why You Treat Me So Bad) .Denny obviously saw the she was the most gullible/ naive in the Group,and preyed upon her (weakest link out of 4 BLACK Women). HE knew he couldn't get over as easily on the other 3 Wonen. So he finessed&,gassed her Up and had her thinking she was gonna have her oyster & pick all the Pearls of the World,He OWNED her ,that's why when came time to speak up about "the Group " she was more concerned for/about HERself. She believed they were initially gonna marry & have a Family etc..and TRULY have the American Dream. She really disappointed Me when I found out what she Did.

[@user-ww9uk8mm2f]

They all CAN sing..Not one was better than the other

[@MindfulJA3]

Dawn has had valid points , I can’t lie.

[@jamesde74]

Right the record execs living in mansions while the girls are in apartments and if they weren’t getting out there on that stage the record execs wouldn’t have any of that. I saw one interview where Dawn said when they walked into their producers house she said so this is what our money bought you. If only they had stuck together like TLC but Terry was dating their producer so that’s a recipe for disaster right there

[@BruteStrength99]

Yeah that Sylvia Rhone is a crook. No different than Berry Gordy

[@zanthus7]

Damn right she had valid points. If their album makes platinum, that means 1 million albums were sold. 1 million albums x .02 per album = $20,000. I would have cuss someone out and left the group too. All that hard work for .02 per album? I don't get how Cindy and Terry would be happy with that God-awful deal. Remember when Prince had the word, Slave, written across his face referring to his treatment by Warner? Now I get it.

[@jimboswamps5602]

Dawns speaking voice is so calming. Such a difference from her powerhouse singing. I love that.

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

Right! She has a very soft tiny speaking voice but when she sings...the lion comes out!

[@LamLam-ko5ec]

@@MitchMitch77-77 very different from Beyoncé and Mariahs speaking voices.

[@sheed321]

Usually a lot of singers have soft spoken talking voices

[@manuginobilisbaldspot424]

She's always been really feminine and it shines through. Makes her so damn attractive.

[@DebNKY]

She's fabulous

[@MariahWyattBraxton]

$0.02 per album is absolutely horrible. Dawn was right to attempt to renegotiate their contracts, but it’s unfortunate that it cost them the original line up.

[@macewbee]

Agreed

[@rissaceehart4076]

FACTUALS, Its just DAWN Had more sense and decided not to sit around and get played like Debbi DUMBar!

[@rissaceehart4076]

@Nicole and Entourage Yep I remember That in the Movie

[@nottys92]

That some Chitlin circut kinda deal?! The fuck going on

[@NickRyanOfficial]

No one could live off of that now let alone 30 years ago!

[@marcotuliovazquezrodriguez6541]

It sad to see how such a successful group was torn apart by their own producers and greed. If they stuck together, they could've gone on to greater success and kept giving us more albums and more hits.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

Thank you

[@debbie-annsmith6115]

Exactly!! Stronger together.

[@steviepigford1912]

They sucked awful singing

[@vipdirty8956]

Even If you're getting ripped off AND splitting it 4 ways??

[@marilynwayte54]

@@steviepigford1912 Consensus says otherwise. You must not know much about music at all.

[@tcdaballer]

It was a TLC situation but they didn't stand together

[@Deathbybigmac420]

What about your friends They meant that

[@jamesde74]

Exactly that’s what I love about them they stuck together and went after their money and got it

[@jamesde74]

I don’t understand how the people in the music business can sleep at night knowing they rip people off and to justify it they say well you signed the contract with TLC CRAZYSEXYCOOL made about 175 million dollars and the girls only saw 2.3 of it and that’s not even 2.3 a piece but in all which after taxes they got about $300,000 a piece that would eat at me if I was the record company

[@kayshawnsimmons6822]

If they had things could have been different

[@tcdaballer]

@@jamesde74 it really be the ones closest to you financially that will leech its so sad that people exploit other peoples talents and God given gifts 😑

[@excaliber8713]

Dawns story has not changed since she’s very consistent

[@rissaceehart4076]

WHICH is why I Don't understand WHHYYY Cindy &TERRY STILL WANNA perpetuate the "AIRHEAD" role and Not understand Dawn's & Maxine's P.O.V. of NOT letting MEN or Women (Greedy Producer's/Executives)play you like lil puppets on a String,and Control your EVERY move. As BLACK Women, they Embarrass me, bc Cindy&TERRY showed how they have No Self Respect & Dignity for THEMselves & or to Stand up for what's Right! Just being Beta/Passive Women & let other people control your Life & Destiny! #ToH🔥with THAT!

[@RP.123]

Exactly. You can always tell when someone tells the truth. Dawn is consistent and detailed. The other two are always elusive in their approach when discussing it. Had they stood together and did a TLC move they would’ve gotten paid and been able to continue making music on their own terms

[@Boobalopbop]

They should have paid them what they deserved because without Dawn and Maxine, it was not the same.... They were the spice.

[@919ENTERTAINMENTLLC]

@@rissaceehart4076 Maybe they are airheads...just happy to be famous.

[@jasminehill6312]

@@Boobalopbop Not the same at all! I never quite bought into the 3 member group

[@ezp8811]

Same ole story of artist not getting paid... I don't understand how the lawyers let their clients get robbed all the time... still goes on today.

[@kayshawnsimmons6822]

The lawyer usually works and gets paid by the label

[@Bellissimma]

It's often a lawyer supplied by the label. People are so eager to get on, they don't see the obvious conflict of interest.

[@ezp8811]

@@Bellissimma Oh yeah, you have to know what you're doing/signing bc the lawyer will simply sellout for his own good

[@stonedog23]

Today’s hip hop artist don’t get reeled in like this. They have more power and more control and most have a tad more knowledge than artists of the past.

[@ezp8811]

@@stonedog23 True but some are still taken advantage of even today... especially new artist trying to break through... but even established artist be looking to break away because they come to know they deserve better and more.

[@nickyd.4695]

A common, unfortunate story; the talent always seems to get screwed.

[@kayshawnsimmons6822]

And it's sad people still jump head first into the entertainment industry without going to college to learn the business part

[@Nelson_Swamp]

These girls were the TOTAL package, and had started enjoying pop superstar success, and then it all fell apart. A GREAT group.

[@cheezheadz3928]

The total package would have included business sense.

[@msgenevajb]

The industry use artist all the time!

[@septiawoman2911]

This is WHY, in the music industry, that it is so important to LEARN what a contract encompasses in addition to what a legal beacon shares with an artist. So many artists in the past had no clear understanding of what was in their contract and ultimately, suffered for lack of understanding. Singing involves MORE than "singing for your supper."

[@debbie-annsmith6115]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MsJubjubbird]

never go into a negotiation without your own lawyer

[@jamesde74]

But like Dawn said you can’t be in the group without signing the contract so you can’t learn it as you go really you should learn and know what you’re getting into before you get into it or else you’ll be messed up

[@jamesde74]

Why on earth would anybody not want to renegotiate and get what they’re worth is beyond me, Cindy must not have a mind of her own because Terry was doing alright dating their producer so she was in a good position even though she could’ve been in a better one getting her own money

[@lemonaidebey6190]

Its the same now

[@Midnight_manna]

Had they stood together and made their demands as a group, they would have won, had more longevity, been even more of a legend in the game, and well respected.

[@joshuamcdowell9745]

That was what TLC did. They band together and got what was rightfully theirs. They also hired a manager who had their best interest at heart and fought for them.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

as much as i get tired of hearing people crying about dawn's interviews and those two pennies, this is true.

[@deancrawford5393]

I left the music business / entertainment industry after learning what they now know to save my sanity. The entertainment industry is utterly dirty beyond belief 🙏

[@JoJo-vi6xx]

Spill tea

[@bdiderrick7893]

@James Gray boy bye !

[@deancrawford5393]

@James Gray sometimes the attorneys are in on it......like I said! It’s dirty beyond belief. Nuff said🙏

[@myhubbyislouisvuitton4218]

@@deancrawford5393 My sister is an entertainment and media Solicitor and you are 100% correct.

[@deancrawford5393]

@Michelle Rodriquez sometimes .......some attorney......not all....and.....Not only L.A.....the world 🌎

[@PopCultureCarnivore1]

Cindy and Terry's ignorance ruined this group. Dawn and Maxine (especially Dawn) are the only ones who wanted better for this group. The other two settled for chump change.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

That was Dawn. Not Maxine. Maxine was with EnVogue. She may have jumped on Dawn's bandwagon but that was way after the fact.

[@jamesde74]

Well Terry was dating the producer so she was getting the money on the back end so I guess she felt like why mess with anything I am getting something they didn’t stick together and when they are able to divide and conquer it’s over with

[@horsejocky5819]

P

[@KelzKelz]

No, the label's greed just like 99% of other cases did it.

[@RAYomama]

Well it was a group designed to be controlled. They probably didn’t even write their own lyrics

[@valarie9314]

Envogue will always be the iconic female group

[@steviepigford1912]

Not to me

[@kayshawnsimmons6822]

#1👑

[@musiclover-cn7tb]

@@liljay3006 I don't think that's what the comments were trying to say maybe it was because en vogue was first and they are better singers than all female groups combined DC is my second favorite female group after En Vogue.

[@musiclover-cn7tb]

@@liljay3006 yes to me they did I bought albums from every group you named I still have plenty of DC albums my en vogue ones were lost 😠😠😠😠.

[@stephanieallangarman5598]

SAD 😔 that these AMAZING singers couldn’t seem to STAND UP for each other as STRONG 💪🏽 WOMEN should. It only took one ☝🏽 “TOXIC” relationship. Who could accept .02 a record…DEPLORABLE situation. 🙇🏻‍♀️🎼🎶♥️🌟 If other groups can learn and see the value of being cohesive and protecting one another from being taken advantage of by greedy music reps. Lovely but talented singers will always be a NOSTALGIC memory for me.

[@deborahlynn1988]

OMG the song Dont Let Go!!! That is the song that gave me the courage to tell my mom I was leaving Florida to join the Army!!!! Thanks for the flashback!

[@JuicyPopEntertainment]

Wow! Thanks for watching.

[@excaliber8713]

Awww

[@sunsetnwaves]

The Best Female Group Vocal Harmonies Ever!!!

[@denisesalt9729]

yes / the girl groups of the 90s were amazing / so were the female rappers

[@davesmoothie]

...EVER....!!!!

[@basquait1]

You are going have to go thru the music of the 60s, 70's, and 80's to prove that claim..

[@sunsetnwaves]

@@basquait1 I already have, don’t limit a collection of albums you’ve never seen 😎

[@basquait1]

@@sunsetnwaves I am curious to know what one or two albums that I need to know? Please share.

[@i_am_in_telle_gent6910]

Don't go into the music business. You work so hard and just get ripped off.

[@anonymously_me1803]

Right!

[@NickyM_0]

The entertainment industry is another form of slavery. With special levels of slavery reserved and 'exclusive' to Black people.

[@massagemodality366]

I would just say do it as a hobby if u love it. Not as a living. Find something else to allow u to earn your bread.

[@tezwill5876]

I say go into it if you’re business savvy. But I agree with you it’s a ripped off for sure. It use to be my dream but being broke after success, dying in a plane crash after a video because the booked you on a cheap plane, or losing your mind in that business made me rethink that idea a long time ago.

[@rissaceehart4076]

Its nothing wrong with going onto the BUSINESS,BUT You just gotta be Smart & Do your Homework & Research First!!... ALLL OF IT! Soak up & learn EVERYthing you can like a wet Sponge.This way when record producers,managers &/talent scouts seek you out ,you know how to talk their language. Converse with them on an intelligent level that way their 1ST Impression of you won't lead them to believe you are a Complete Idiot &or Dumb a $$. Bc TRUST when your entire convo begins or ends with "You know what I'm sayin"??🙅🙅🙅🙄🙈😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒..they ALREADY KNOW they got a sucka on their hands IF they decide to do any business with You!# PERIODTT!!So Moral of Story: DON'T PLAY Yourself or find yourself getting played/exploited for personal gain. I have a business Proposition Right now that I'm looking to work with Unsigned Artists/Musicians who are SERIOUS about getting a jump on their Careers and need Legal Representation so Someone can help explain to them what they DON'T KNOW/Understand about Contract renegotiating.

[@localone1597]

Whats so sad is they had the potential to go down as the greatest female group ever. Any music genre. They had the entire package. Don't know who is to blame but I'm sure they would do things differently if they could do it over again.

[@msgenevajb]

They ALWAYS used the artist. Check history.

[@nikkibankhead6759]

They all could hold their own vocally, I will always feel like they had the talent to have Vegas residence.

[@joshuamcdowell9745]

En Vogue could definitely do Vegas

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

I would make a trip to Vegas just to see to the original four sing on stage. They have such great chemistry and on stage presence together.

[@feliciawhite8190]

Yes!

[@BETTERWORLDSGT]

The first time I heard "Hold on" in the Summer of 1990, I got the Cassette, those first two albums were great!

[@kevinpayton2664]

Hold On is still the jam.

[@LastPersephone]

Before Destinys Child there was En Vogue!!

[@ceeceetracey9839]

I dont even think they are the same. EnVogue had four lead singers who could blow shit down, sing better live and their harmonies were crazy. Destiny's Child was pretty much just "beyonce and them". 😂

[@butterliz876]

@@ceeceetracey9839 Michelle can really sing just wasn't given the opportunity to shine.

[@denea4418]

@@ceeceetracey9839 and before EnVogue there was The Supremes. What’s your point? There will always be someone before and after.

[@basquait1]

@@denea4418 ...include The Emotions, The Pointer Sisters, The Dunning Sisters-Skyy.......

[@casey4602]

Jones Girls, Pointer sisters and Ronettes also....

[@sazonsongs]

Dawn’s beauty still gives me chills.

[@danieltoman6203]

Yeah Dawn was absolutely beautiful

[@TCthaCrisis]

Still my crush to this day

[@terrancemaloney29]

She's not that beautiful

[@sazonsongs]

@@terrancemaloney29 If you think she isn’t beautiful, may be more into the RuPaul LaVerne Cox type. Whatever floats your boat. Who am I to judge? 🤷

[@adorkability]

It's really tragic how such an awesome group fell apart.

[@kyanamorsell5891]

En Vogue has something so special 😢 those voices and looks omg!

[@denisesalt9729]

$0.02 per album. That sounds like theft especially after they became huge. Their first release was huge. Crazy how many young people in that business are taken advantage of because they don't understand their contracts. And they are being screwed over by their own.

[@jparker9911]

The girls should have had a conference call with TLC.....

[@gavingavalli389]

Cyndi and Terry's issue was they werent really about sisterhood in the sense of making sure that the other girls were taken care of! when it came time to renegotiate the contract they sided with the label. Mind you Terry is in a relationship with the producer so she had access to the money even though dawn and Maxine were broke. Cyndi treated the group like a hobby because she was married to someone in the MBL I dont blame dawn for leaving the way they handled business is trash !

[@rissaceehart4076]

Glenn Braggs ,MLB player is her Hubby.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

Glenn Braggs was a Major League Baseball player

[@allibest888]

@@rissaceehart4076 yes so thats why Cindy wasn't worry about money she had get husband to take care of her. And Terry had the producer she was dating at that time. The only thing the other 2 girls wanted was just to get paid that's all love for them to get back together I really do the album because the album they have out now with the 3 not that good.

[@NickyM_0]

@James Gray The trouble is they do hire lawyers that are 'suggested' by the label because the artists and their 'management' have no clue! There is a lot of self-interested back scratching amongst the people that are supposed to have the artists interests as priority but don't. The artists are just cash cows for everyone in the circle.

[@CleanMusicLover229]

@James Gray They also do not READ their contracts. And some of the black artists are ROBBED BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

[@SirCalloway]

*Correction - THE best female R&B vocal group of all time. 🌹👑

[@VoltairesRevenge]

No

[@greeksun369]

Idk, brownstone was equally as good. IMO.

[@lisajohnson521]

Dawn has a pretty speaking voice. But man, EnVouge was EVERYTHING! I remember my friends and me pretending to be them. Good times.

[@enahayes1]

The absolute BEST female group, second to NONE! All Beautiful and more importantly, they ALL could sing. I’ll never understand why they didn’t blow up. IMO, there’s no group past or present who surpassed these ladies.

[@chi8772]

They did blow up but behind the scenes problems got in the way. And everyone won’t be on top for ever

[@flutoporter6971]

Supremes and pointer sisters...tops

[@juliansearcie1758]

@@flutoporter6971 ha ha ha ha ha. .no

[@flutoporter6971]

@@juliansearcie1758 no...no...no

[@agapereign]

Nah. I say they are up there with The Jones Girls and The Emotions.

[@GBGOLC]

This was literally slavery. If you don’t understand the business of music, you won’t make it in the music business.

[@Ineddiblehulk]

That’s really sad, dawn is being so reasonable.

[@khanyisiledweba9917]

I love the fact that they were all great vocalists, they were all gorgeous....no one was being pushed as the lead or "the most loved by the public". They were all stars. 🤩

[@ms.j.2961]

So Dawn & Maxine didn't even own the En Vogue trademark w/ Cindy & Terry?!? 👀🙊🤔

[@fixthatface483]

Right, that crazy to me. I would sue to be co-owner of the name.

[@macewbee]

Agreed

[@kayshawnsimmons6822]

Which could be why they never took Dawn and Maxine side 🤔🤔

[@ceeceetracey9839]

Tommy and Denny probably owned that. Cindy and Terry likely didnt feel they had to fight for it until Dawn and Maxine started using it too. This was never an issue prior to this.

[@sarcasticallyrearranged]

Why would they own it? They auditioned for the band which already had the name copyrighted by the men who set everything up. They were performers filling a role in the end.

[@stylesfamily9673]

Dawn was right. She knew that they deserved a lot better.

[@chancest.thomas5160]

They were: Classy, Pretty, & Talented...Oh & They Kept their clothes ON!!

[@richettamendez4620]

Love Maxine Jones voice

[@RP.123]

Absolutely. Maxine and Dawn rounded out their sound. The 4 together were magic

[@vernfree7649]

In my opinion Envogue is the GOAT.But what piss me off is how some of these producers lawyers managers etc just rip off the artists.

[@taragraham7216]

It's like I'll make you famous if you make me rich hell to the nah

[@denisesalt9729]

I remember where I was when their first song hit the airwaves. Somebody on the bus yelled for everyone to turn our little radios (no cell phones then) on. LOL / all talent

[@katiaruffin4906]

Me tooooooo!!! My cousin and I used to sing and dance to their first TAPE! Pure talent and beauty ❤️

[@MsBaileyLayne]

Terry had that single “where ever you are” bomb!! I use to think that Terry and Holly Robinson Peete was the same person 😂

[@teebee82]

I used to think they were the same person too. It’s crazy hoe much they look alike and they are also very good friends..

[@Alyssaj1236]

They are best friends too

[@jpmackey1607]

It’s even crazier that En Vogue sang the theme song for the sitcom Holly was on, “Hangin’ with Mr. Cooper.”

[@angelab904]

90s R&B was the best. Especially girl groups. Funky Divas was one of the best tapes released in 92. I was 11 lol.

[@ZeLuJ]

Absolutely 👍

[@jknumber5138]

That 1990 Born To Sing is the best album from the 90s(also, Never Say Never & CrazySexyCool)

[@trose202]

I love these small documentaries please keep them coming!

[@angelar.2088]

If all four don't group back up , they won't be the same , just saying 🤫

[@cfran671]

I remember hearing Hold On in a clothes store...I was buying something to wear that night to go to a club and they put on Hold On and it was like someone yanked my weave!! I was busting moves!!!🤩🤩🤩

[@ruruvarela]

The music is different these days. They can make good music but this generation would not be able appreciate it

[@Chitownhomestead]

Exactly.. cause being a Jezebel and a baby momma is what's hot these days.. not being classy

[@ceeceetracey9839]

Well if EnVogue got back together and made new music it would be for their fans. Not for teenagers.

[@rissaceehart4076]

@@Chitownhomestead Or Hot Girl/Thotiana

[@selalewis9189]

The music is better, if you know where to look. Don’t give up in the next generation. You wouldn’t like it if someone older said that about you.

[@agapereign]

That’s not true. Look at Bruno Mars and Silk Sonic.

[@laughwithme8062]

I miss that group of girls. 💔

[@latashajones8638]

One of the best female groups with beautiful vocals they need a documentary and movie.

[@flutoporter6971]

Pointer sisters best

[@GatorGirl04]

Fantastic video!!!! They're literally one of the greatest vocal groups male or female of all time. Their fallout really hurts my heart cause these ladies are the soundtrack to my youth. Foster and Mac and Sylvia Rhone did a helluva number on this group. It's too bad that the divide and conquer was effective. Great job chronicling this amazing group! Subscribed!!

[@aleathacoleman6413]

I am all about the original 4. They came out when I was in high school. Even with the new singer it's not the same or as good.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

If they want to make some big bucks its gonna HAVE to be the original four. However, the new argument is that Rhona has been a member of Envogue longer than Dawn and Maxine at this point.

[@amarerearden]

I completely understand why Dawn spoke out and I would’ve too, but I also understand why Terry and Cindy didn’t want to cause an issue since so many artist and groups got blackballed for speaking out against record labels back then.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

I get what Dawn is saying for the most part but you dont have to sabotage EVERYTHING. The way she dealt with it was beneficial to NO ONE. There was a better way.

[@holleelifestyles2844]

They aged so Beautifullyyy! 😍 I think im too young to remember but they may have been nerds on a Different World and then popped out into Gorgeous Divas at the nightclub! 😂

[@dpcisunbreakable]

Yyyyyyyyaaaaaass!

[@musiclover-cn7tb]

@@dpcisunbreakable they were I remember them on roc and maybe even family matters they were on the Wayans Bros too.

[@t-low997]

They all look beautiful! This is the Era when you had to have TALENT!

[@GreatGownsBeautifulGowns2018]

I just love them. The best harmonies and everyone could hold their own.

[@ilrock]

I still think they can make a come back.

[@Tiajones333]

I agree they need all the original members

[@sweeetzz]

Wasn’t born in that era but I doubt it there’s no real rnb and people are more into alt-rnb plus they’ve been gone for faaarrrr too long

[@alexusbrooke]

@@Tiajones333 they have a new member

[@ethioluv1dalluS]

They are all pushing 60 now.

[@factsoverfeelings421]

Of they did, they’d be doing the same trash that everyone else is doing now.

[@lshirleyjr]

Good video except no mention of Teri sleeping with the producer as playing a huge part to the division in group dynamics.

[@Teagenrose1]

Oh really do tell...

[@rissaceehart4076]

Nah,they didn't wanna mention this for fear of possible lawsuits following.

[@baret8349]

😮

[@filmgirlLisa]

I dunno. It just makes Terri out to be mindless...and I'm not sure that's fair.

[@Froggy77100]

@@filmgirlLisa I don't think it makes her mindless, it makes her human, it's part of the story. Almost the same thing happened with the Supreme's. Ego, love, money, fame is a dangerous combination. Add the actual talent getting paid the least amount of anyone..

[@denisedillinger1354]

They sued the members about the name but not the labels for more compensating pay my goodness. Great video

[@Nikkyeshiva83]

I love Dawn. Her soft, breathy voice. She's like a black Jessica Rabbit...I've noticed that sylvia's name comes up in most of these videos when it comes to female artists getting screwed over.

[@Nikkyeshiva83]

@Cetrion Rhone

[@musiclover-cn7tb]

@@Nikkyeshiva83 yes her name also comes up when male artists got screwed over too.

[@musiclover-cn7tb]

@@Nikkyeshiva83 that's the woman that shelved Adina Howard's album after she said things about her on the radio.

[@badgyrl310]

I agree with Dawn and Maxine about the money. They used to sell cd's for $15 - $20 in the store and the artists only getting 2 cents or the smallest percent of that for all the work they put in is absolutely ridiculous. On the other side, I agree with Cindy and Teri on the name because Dawn and Maxine trying to start another group using the same name and touring and booking shows and putting out songs as 'En Vogue part 2' or whatever is just confusing for the fans, promoters, radio stations, etc. They should've known using the name En Vogue was gonna be a problem. Call your new group something else bruh, that's confusing.

[@Froggy77100]

One of the BEST girl groups of all time! En Vogue was & is fire!! The label did them dirty... Had they stuck together instead of letting ego & birds in their ears get between them things might've been different..

[@flutoporter6971]

Supremes....and pointer sisters are

[@kevinpayton2664]

@@flutoporter6971 I love the Pointer Sisters.

[@randleqgod]

Funky Divas took them to the next level. They were all over MTV in 1992. I seent it lol.

[@GearsinMotionGraphics]

Too bad that business divides a gift..... African AMERICANS....know your business instead of getting into others business. Love and clearly ♥️🔄

[@prettybrowneyez29]

Good one, Mr. Jackson !!!I may use from time to time 🙂

[@veronicacooper4397]

I'm stealing this🤣🤣🤣

[@PopCultureCarnivore1]

You mean Americans or to be specific, Black-Americans?! None of these women are African or born there.

[@dpcisunbreakable]

@@PopCultureCarnivore1 please stop. This is not the place for that reductive argument.

[@fromlissawithlove]

Well said brother! 💕✊🏾

[@30drea]

They killed it at the BET Awards. No offense to the new girl but I can't get with the 3. I need the original lineup. There Better Together

[@amberhi874]

I never liked the replacements

[@agapereign]

Yeah. I’m not feeling the new group.

[@caramelhoney29]

Agreed.

[@errolthomas9426]

Nailed it

[@curtistinemiller4646]

02 $ WTF?.The music bussiness rips off the Artist,especially women they were a successful group it appears they really got ripped off...

[@krisdudley7505]

Wow I forgot just how stunning Dawn is. She is so sweet looking and has a really nice speaking voice.

[@TheTruthAintInYa]

If Dawn was still in EnVogue for the 3rd Album they would have been Destiny’s Child who came out that next year maybe the same year I can’t remember a run for their money

[@bgcrp2005]

Noooo Destinys child was for the youngings

[@dpcisunbreakable]

@James Gray Dude, you really should consider approaching your message differently.

[@musiclover-cn7tb]

@@bgcrp2005 not necessarily I liked En Vogue when I was younger and dc when I was a teenager.

[@nysaxman]

They needed their OWN music attorney in the office when discussing their contracts with the record company. The attorney in the room was not working in their best interest, but the record company's best interest. This story Is ageless in the pop music business. Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers immediately come to mind.

[@macewbee]

Agreed and what happened in that situation

[@nysaxman]

@Michelle Rodriquez great taste. I have the billie holiday album "lady in satin".

[@nysaxman]

@Michelle Rodriquez no I haven't seen the movie. But I'm aware about the FBI's harassment of her.

[@nysaxman]

@Michelle Rodriquez I used to take saxophone lessons from the jazz musician Charles Davis in the late 1980s and early 90s. He passed in 2016. He was a sideman in one of Billie's bands in the late 1950s.

[@nysaxman]

@Michelle Rodriquez he didnt have any stories. I'm sure if I had asked he would have. He was an in demand sideman, particular for the baritone sax. He performed with Dinah Washington, John Coltrane, Ray Charles, Nancy Wilson, Abdullah Ibrahim (also known as Dollar Brand) and many more. He performed for ex-president Bill Clinton in 2002. In 1964 he was named Downbeat magazine's top baritone sax player. He was a close friend trumpeter Kenny Dorham. So he was a great instructor.

[@Ransum_react]

Yo they were also on the show “Roc”

[@hnyflvr]

Yep, they sang the shows theme song!

[@dpcisunbreakable]

They were AWESOME on the show "Roc!"

[@kerrynitzsche4841]

2 cents!!!!!!! That’s what 600K for 22mil records. I wonder what they made off the tours

[@jamesdavidkmoss]

They were tour issues, too, and it ended up as lost down to a bad tour manager.

[@melroze]

The major label industry is dirty. Always has been and always will be.

[@colorsofavon934]

Dawn is so beautiful. They had the best harmonies.

[@MzAbstractMind]

It’s kinda nice that they didn’t breakup b/c of attitudes, it was legit contractual. But, it’s still sad that only 2 felt the group, as a whole, deserved so much more than what they was given. I wonder if they all banned together about the contract issues, would things have turned out differently 🤔

[@R-L-I]

“Industry rule #1080, record companies are shadyyyy...” Q-Tip

[@ceeceetracey9839]

What irks me about this is that shit has been going on for decades now. All those years in between there has been no resolve and nothing consistent in regards to working things out. I've been hangin around, dedicated and thirsty this whole time.

[@VoltairesRevenge]

@James Gray You must be an attorney. This is not an advertisement opportunity.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

@@VoltairesRevenge He must've removed his post. I missed that. Lol

[@DeeSunbae]

She tried to stand up for the group and their rights and what they were OWED! Everyone else was okay with just being apart of something. She wanted the CHECK!!

[@deangelo8498]

Same thing with TLC but fortunately they filed bankruptcy to get out of the contract and renegotiate their contract. It’s unfortunate that soon after Lisa died in a car accident but the group is still going strong today selling out concerts despite TBOZ fighting through sickle cell and brain tumor being removed successfully.

[@bamahammer3660]

I have always loved En Vogue from the first time I heard their blended voices and beautiful looks. I carried their music all over the world while I was in the military. Their harmony was exceptional and every last one of them could sing lead. Growing up in that era the music was simply breath taking that would immediately put you in an upbeat mood. Even the white groups played with alot of funk and soul. Those were great times and I still listen to that era music today.

[@msreen269]

2 cents to a record was the going rate for most artists back then. The money is in touring

[@motownzfinezt]

Man they were beautiful and could ALL SING

[@massagemodality366]

If dawn had more questions, she should have just brought her own personal paid, attorney with her who understood the language and was paid to act in her best interest. Without years and years of experience there is no way to understand all the language

[@daisyhoward5472]

She can have all the questions and lawyers she wants, the band was created by other people so she either signs or moves on.

[@ummzaynab7702]

@@daisyhoward5472 thats why there's strengths in numbers. If they would have all refused, the company would have given it to them.

[@MauriceRivers415]

@@ummzaynab7702 And that's what Cindy and Terry are too ignorant to realize. Had they ALL refused, they would've been given the world.

[@donnadukes5989]

I loved their music, very talented young ladies.

[@VirtualAviationAviator]

I really enjoyed your documentary. Your production value is stellar and you delivered the content objectively. Good job.

[@JuicyPopEntertainment]

Thanks for the feedback!😉

[@AmberSumerall]

Dawn still looks damn good. All of them do to be honest.

[@debbie-annsmith6115]

So glad I found this channel. All the background and inside scoop on my favorite groups that I'm thirsty for🤣.

[@mollyyouindangergirl2470]

They were literally at their PEAK and then it was all over...smh. I actually like the new member Rhona but I do miss Maxine & Dawn.

[@allibest888]

Yes I totally miss dawn and Maxine but the sound is not there Rhonda voice is totally different from the other girl she must sing the bottom note to blend in with Terry and Cindy I know they got to do they own thing but I just miss the original sound and they use to dance now the 2 girls just stand still. WHAT THE HELL

[@jamiebaxter7965]

@Cetrion She's not complaining and has returned to the group on two separate occasions after being asked to sit out for the original line-up. I can only assume that she's "satisfied" (pun intended, LOL!!) with the arrangement she, Cindy and Terry now have----??

[@kevinpayton2664]

@@jamiebaxter7965 That's a lot to ask of someone. Stepping aside while your group members reunite with two other originals more than once and not saying anything about it, at least in public?

[@jamiebaxter7965]

@@kevinpayton2664 As amazing as it's been, Rho stepped back multiple times back in '05 and again in '08 (more than twice). However, this go 'round, I don't see her going away quietly, if at all?? I know I wouldn't, especially after the years I've given to the process? Ultimately, Rho's resolve and professionalism is what makes me a dedicated fan of hers.

[@kevinpayton2664]

@@jamiebaxter7965 If she were to have a problem this time around, I wouldn't blame her at all.

[@WeezyJeffersonYo]

I remember the very first time I ever saw or heard En Vogue was on this video request channel called The Box. It would only play videos if you called and paid to order one. I just remember being a preteen and being so excited by how beautiful, talented and sophisticated they were.

[@pa.encema2821]

I remember the Box

[@Princemercury90]

This video was GREAT!! Good work, sis!! I'll now subscribed!

[@TheTaylorj1984]

As a child i thought EnVouge were the epitome of style grace and femininity ... they are still everything to my almost 40 yr old self lol

[@bl2528]

These 90’s girl groups all got screwed on their record contracts. The industry is so shady!

[@michelleg.7295]

Thanks @LetsGetToTheRoot! This was superbly organized storytelling and brought me back in time. I came here after watching your video on Expose, my other favorite all time girl group of the 80s/90s. I love how you ended this piece by letting all 4 original members "speak" through old footage. Their beauty and talent was such an inspiration on so many levels for this little black girl! Thank you!

[@kirkpatrick7475]

Artist always gets shafted by recording labels. It's disgusting, Apple music pays less then 2 cents to the artist on their streaming platform, yet Apple charges some insane money for subscription

[@beaniegee5129]

Rhona Bennett is an amazing singer and actress!! Never forget when she starred on shows such as Homeboys from Outer Space and the Jamie Foxx Show

[@TheReneex]

En Vogue was arguably the most significant female vocal group of the 1990s. So many girl vocal groups popped up around this era, but none came close to achieving their distinct harmonious sound. They truly set themselves apart from other disposable girl groups who were just commodities of their record agencies and rank right on top with The Andrews Sisters and The Supremes!

[@Filmation77]

That's why it's called Show BUSINESS ,not ShowFRIENDs. Ev Vogue was a great pop music creation. Overall

[@macewbee]

Agreed

[@musiclover-cn7tb]

@@macewbee exactly.

[@tyralikadiamondstar8960]

So Terry and Cindy didn't see anything wrong with them getting 2 cents for album. Dawn and Maxine saw that their was a issue with money. It's really sad that Terry and Cindy sue Dawn and Maxine from using the name ENVOGUE. They need a show to let them talk and try to work out the issues just like swv did

[@faayidah]

@@JLPerryTV Terry and Denny were still together in 1999 and she sang background as a favor for Frank Gatson.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

I've read loads of biographies by people in the music industry and entertainers usually get a few pennies from the album sales because that money goes to the record company. Entertainers get their money from touring and live performances. Its just how they divvy the money up.

[@RP.123]

@@ceeceetracey9839 that’s definitely not entirely true. It depends on your contract with the record label and management. Sometimes management gets a huge % of your tour money. Artists have to pay for every expense on the tour and end up left with nothing.

[@ceeceetracey9839]

@@RP.123 that's crazy. So where does the artists money come from?

[@RP.123]

@@ceeceetracey9839 It depends on what you signed. Many are left with nothing which is why some file for bankruptcy. Sometimes the lawyer negotiating the deal works for the artist and the record company and/or manager (conflict of interest).

[@clytchan]

They’ve all aged incredibly well! I hope they find peace in their lives, and finally get paid.

[@laminage]

If they had Hilary Shaw as their Manager they would have been taken care of. She managed Banarama who were the first Supergroup to come out of The UK Music Scene who were also the First Girlband to go to Number One with their Version of Venus. In future years she Managed Girls Aloud the most successful Girlband to come out of Reality TV in The UK. What happened to them has happened to so many Girlbands. I once heard that The Shirelles had to wait for 20 Years to get "Paid".

[@QueenZsWorld]

the key is to stay independent. I'm seeing it more than ever

[@Alyssaj1236]

It really is!

[@ChampLeads]

Ellis was fine with pay due to her relationship (f’ing) with Denny, the developers of the group and Cindy married a sports guy who had funds. Dawn was a threat and always popped. Her vocals lead their best song, “Don’t Let Go” they did Dawn WRONG. PERIODAH

[@bigolebot]

Is it true that Terry is a lesbian?