Jujutsu Competition Rules

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[@acd-combatives]

I like it.

[@bristoncraigson9151]

@@acd-combatives thank you for the feedback. I like your channel by the way.

[@jediflamaster]

So a takedown is more valuable than a sweep. I like it. I also like the slam points without actual slamming. 3 penalty for a guard pull is a lot, though. If you pull into a dominant position and sweep 5 seconds later, you're still behind, even if you were in control all of the time. I'd say at most 2 points penalty is more appropriate here. Punishing passive guard pulls is a great idea, but punishing all guard pulls this much will result in passive stand-up play as sacrifice throws become incredibly risky.

[@bristoncraigson9151]

@@jediflamaster a legit sacrifice throw attempt will not be considered a guard pull. If you consider what happens to Jiu Jitsu specialists that transition into MMA, and pull guard, it makes sense. The original (old school) Jiu Jitsu strategy was get on top stay on top. If you are using your guard something went wrong. If you are on bottom in an actual fight how can you say you are in control? Sure there are guys that can do it, however its a verifiable fact that Grapplers who are top fighters, do much better in MMA. I have a pretty good butterfly guard and half guard game however it would be a terrible strategy for me to willingly go there when my attacker can drop bombs on my head. I love playing guard in training and I truly value having a strong guard. However guard pulling should be penalized as it would in the real world. I was an Army Ranger and a three time Combat Veteran. I've also been in Law Enforcement for nine years. I've seen a lot of real violence up close and I promise you I don't want to use my guard as a strategy. The guard should be put in its place as a last resort. All Jiu Jitsu practitioners should have a very dangerous guard. It just shouldn't be your whole game. I truly appreciate the comments and interaction with the channel. Please keep the discussions going. Thank you for watching.

[@jediflamaster]

@@bristoncraigson9151 You didn't really address my concern. I never questioned punishing pulling guard. I think an example would clarify what my concern is. There is a combo popular in my gym, which involves, faking an armdrag, going into sumi gaeshi (corner sacrifice throw) with the cross arm grip. This on its own works well but some guys try to defend sumi gaeshi by making a huge, overcomitting step forward with the unhooked leg to base out. This gives great entry into x guard, with excellent posture and arm control too. There's no opening for the top guy to strike (the close arm remains controlled, the far arm is too far away), and because their posture is so bad from that massive step, they'll get tripod swept, rolled over the controlled arm side, or the bottom player will just stand up with their leg. Note how the guard pull wasn't the goal here, it was sumi gaeshi, but the opponent willingly wrecked their posture to merely delay the takedown. In your system the player who executed the aggressive takedown attempt into immediate sweeping guard strategy and does end up on top is behind, and, ironically, the guy on the bottom who got swept now has all the time in the world to passively play guard. If you tone the guard penalty to 2, both players have incentive to play aggressively after this exchange. Also I don't know what gave you the idea I'm questioning your credentials. After all, I do like your system. Proposing a slight, 1 point tweak in your experimental scoring system isn't the same as saying that you don't know what you're talking about. No need to pull out the veteran and LE cards, but since you did, thank you for your service.

[@bristoncraigson9151]

@@jediflamaster you really misunderstood me. There is no tone in text. None of what I said was meant poorly nor was it some kind of attack. Back to the scenario, if the guy legitimately attempted a Sumi Geashi he would not be penalized for ending up in guard if it fails. So he would still be up two to zero if he hits the X Guard sweep. Let's change the scenario a bit. Say the guy does pull guard he's down three to zero. If he executed a sweep and transitioned to mount or even technical mount. He is now up six to three. I hope this clarification helps. Please reread my previous comment with a friendly tone, because that was the spirit in which it was written. Again I truly appreciate the discussion.

[@jediflamaster]

​@@bristoncraigson9151 I see where I misunderstood. The issue is differentiating between a failed sacrifice throw and a passive guard pull. A question of amplitude, setup and commitment I suppose. It's an additional thing to discern for the ref but not fundamentally different from what's already at play in ADCC for instance. Yeah, this clarifies it. Thanks for your patience.

[@bristoncraigson9151]

@@jediflamaster No Problem, I appreciate the discussion.

[@MichaelT83310]

Is this different from Brazilian jiu jitsu?

[@bristoncraigson9151]

@@MichaelT83310 this system awards more points for Takedowns and penalizes Guard Pulling. With sudden Death Overtime, the aforementioned points and penalties places an enormous emphasis on takedowns. It also incorporates the Guard Lift to simulate someone picking you up for a slam. The Guard lift will encourage the bottom fighter to underhook the leg to defend. This system is meant to promote strategies and habits that better reflect an actual fight. If you define your art as "Brazilian" and want to use the rules awesome. I don't make that designation anymore. Jujutsu is a Japanese word describing a Japanese art that has made its way all around the globe. The point system has been modified from common Grappling Tournaments many of which define themselves as Brazilian. However with the emphasis on takedowns and dominant control it lends itself well to Judoka and Traditional Jujutsuka. I hope this answer helps.

[@MichaelT83310]

@@bristoncraigson9151 I like this rule set better than standard bjj rules