Jump Shot Physics in Super Slow Motion

[@DrDaveBilliards]

*Contents:* 0:00 - Intro 0:21 - Cue/Tip Differences 2:33 - Scoop Shots ---- 3:13 - illegal scoop 5:12 - Highly-Elevated Jumps ---- 7:37 - jump-draw trick shot 8:03 - Wrap Up *Supporting Resources:* - “Venom Shots in Super Slow Motion” playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLH9d4KFY28XvjfavLkmw8nIcWOiDH2GYc - jump shot technique advice: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/technique/ - jump cues: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/jump/ - highly-elevated jump shots: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/highly-elevated/ - jump shot resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/ - WPA “official rules of pool:” wpapool.com/rules-of-play/ - miscue resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/miscue/ - “10 Interesting and Creative Shots … Are They Legal in the APA or WPA?” video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/an7EkJKdjsZjj9k - "Pool Evolution" T-shirt: drdavebilliardtshirts.com/product-category/general/pool-player-evolution/ - "Got English" T-shirt: drdavebilliardtshirts.com/product-category/humor/got-english/ - Venom KZbin Channel: www.youtube.com/@VenomTrickshotsOfficial - Pubo KZbin Channel: www.youtube.com/@puboh *High-Speed-Video Camera Info:* Chronos 2.1 running at 24,046 FPS *Subscribe to Dr. Dave's KZbin Channel:* kzbin.info

[@edwardholyk7046]

I had figured 1-2 minutes watching but ultimately I find myself still need to watch more after 8 minutes….keep the good work DrDaveBilliards.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I'm glad to here it. I do have more coming, so stay tuned. I also have lots more here for your binge-watching pleasure: kzbin.info/aero/PL650CAC26A955DCF8 and here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/video/slow-motion/ Enjoy!

[@zacharysmith5947]

So cool to see you guys together!! That must of been enlightening.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

It was awesome. We had a great time and filmed lots of good stuff. All the videos we did are on this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLH9d4KFY28XvjfavLkmw8nIcWOiDH2GYc

[@brianboyer6801]

Excellent! Thank you for doing these slow-motion observation and analysis videos. Keep'em coming. 👍🏻

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks. I do have more coming, so stay tuned. I also have lots more here: kzbin.info/aero/PL650CAC26A955DCF8 and here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/video/slow-motion/ Enjoy!

[@awakenedsoul2638]

This video is a "TWO THUMBS UP" to me! This higher height jump shot is what I was desiring to learn how to do! Doctor Dave, create more tutorials about this hard jump shot using the regular grip and dart grip! Kudos to your channel!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I'm glad you liked it. For advice help, see the info and link here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/highly-elevated/

[@awakenedsoul2638]

@@DrDaveBilliards I forgot to tell you! I WANT YOU TO INCLUDE the jump curve ball, jump draw shot short shot and long shot, jump stop shot, jump follow and jump masse! CHEERS!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

All of that, and more, is in my videos (and via the topical links) here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/

[@mikewarren3597]

LOVING this collaboration

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Me too. It was a lot of fun, and we captured some great stuff.

[@MicahScottPnD]

Omg im loving this stuff! I'm imagining what it would be like if cue sports got the attention that football hockey etc get in terms of slow mo replay. This is so cool to see! Thanks gentlemen!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I'm glad you liked it. You're welcome. We aim to swerve. :)

[@MicahScottPnD]

@@DrDaveBilliards 😆😂🤣

[@OGDailylama]

I’m so glad you put this together. Now I can show an obnoxious opponent exactly why he isn’t hitting jump shots correctly. He does the ax act same thing as Vernon did to show the scoop. He lines up correctly then he drops his cue on the stroke and scoops. I’ve told him for years I can hear the foul. His inability to beat me just got much worse 🤣

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I hope the video works, but I suspect it won’t. :(

[@OGDailylama]

@@DrDaveBilliards Professionally he can’t deny video evidence even though he’s gonna try when I show him reality. 😜

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@OGDailylama Good luck with that. :)

[@OGDailylama]

@@DrDaveBilliards Thanks and if you’re ever in or around Columbus Ohio, let’s play. You can judge my break. Howard Vickery, in his twangy voice, used to tell me my break was better than any person he had ever played against and also told me I broke a single rack better than he had ever noted. Dropped 5 on the break in that game of nine… But then lost the game because Howard Vickery just told everyone in the room that was the greatest break he had ever seen. 😂

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@OGDailylama If you want to see some real monster breaks, check this out: Best Pool BREAK SHOTS of All Time in 9-ball, 10-ball, and 8-ball: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJu8pXmshLqtmM0

[@Rob_333]

excellent vid and good idea for the rule update.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks.

[@KellyFrench-r8t]

I’ve been playing for 8 months and jump shots are not in my tool kit, yet. Thanks for the visuals and information.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I hope the video helps you add this important tool to your arsenal.

[@thepretzelball]

Dr Dave - this makes me feel a lot better about not being able to jump with my playing cue. Not even the great Florian could! Unfortunately, my APA league doesn't allow jump cues or jumps with break cues. So i feel my efforts are best spent on learning better kicks and angles.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Florian can jump with a playing cue (especially a light one with a hard tip), but I instructed him to try to use the same stroke as with the jump cue so we could see the difference.

[@thepretzelball]

@@DrDaveBilliards gotcha. I play with a 19 oz with a medium soft tip so I would have to really generate some speed on it.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@thepretzelball ... and it might not be possible without a super-human stroke.

[@KTHKUHNKK]

At the 5:40 mark. Truly. Amazing.

[@ACT-sn9zk]

Your video really made me understand how jump shot works. Thank You!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I’m glad to hear it. You’re welcome. Now, if you actually want to learn how to do it, see the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/technique/

[@Shastavalleyoutdoorsman]

These are fun. Venom is like the David Copperfield of billiards.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

He can definitely work trick shot magic at the table.

[@Menicoification]

I'd love to see a "How To" video about these exceptionally close jumps and massive massé shots. Even though I'm an experienced player and jump fairly well with quite good gear, I'm not able to consistently clear a ball thats closer than 7-8 inches and I don't really know why.

[@jbcasesoriginal]

One technique is to let the cue go and catch it. The hit has to be light and accurate. like throwing a dart but in the vertical position. Even with that it's very difficult to get the timing and accuracy right. As for not being able to jump at less that 7" which is about 3 balls distance, that should be solvable by wathcing DR. Dave's video on jumping. I would be willing to help you through video calling if you want.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

FYI, the videos here cover jump shot technique advice in great detail: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/technique/ Check them out.

[@Menicoification]

@@DrDaveBilliards Of course I've watched all your videos several times, since I'm following your work for ages. I even used your book "The Illustrated Principles of Pool and Billiards" as a source for my bachelors thesis ;)... But even with all this theoretical input I'm still struggling when the object ball gets close. There must be something I just cant see or figure out. I'm not able to get height fast enough.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@Menicoification The keys with higher elevation are: - keep the grip and wrist as relaxed as possible. - use a longer bridge length so you can accelerate over a longer distance and generate more cue speed - aim low enough on the CB so the CB doesn’t get jammed - use a very relaxed throwing motion for the stroke It might also help to watch the videos at the link again.

[@bennylloyd-willner9667]

Great work as always. Very clear videos - top notch👌

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Thanks! I'm glad you think so.

[@GearheadDaily]

Doesn't the first high jump show the cue touching the ball after contact? Looks like it hits the side of the large tip ever so slightly.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

It is possible, but I don't think so. The CB motion looks natural and unaltered.

[@GearheadDaily]

@@DrDaveBilliards Maybe unaltered, but in the slow mo, it appears to make contact. Either way, thanks for the video.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@GearheadDaily The camera angle, zoom, lighting, and background are not good enough to see contact or clearance.

[@GearheadDaily]

@@DrDaveBilliards No worries. :)

[@zakrameka4655]

Really enjoy the super slow mo content!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I’m glad to hear it. I do too.

[@MrJdsenior]

I'll bet doing this with Venom was fun. I'm not sure the shot at 4:55 was single contact, in fact I am virtually sure there was second contact. Look at how the ball reacts. It speeds up and gains a little bit of slope while the tip is 'near' the cue ball. It may not look like the tip hits, but the ball trajectory will not lie, and Newton says it can't speed up on its own. :-) Tell me what you think. Putting ball path lines, like you did on that other shot might be helpful. Two parallel lines at the ball tangent point would really add to accuracy. I'd be interested to know. Those jumps over the VERY close nine, out of the surrounding hexagon, and the draw back into the side pocket were NUTS! He is amazing.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

It was fun. We filmed for about 10 hours straight. The shot at 4:58 looks clean to me.

[@vincevita6872]

Great stuff... would have loved to see the jump / break cue [ which is what i have ] i believe it is heavier than a dedicated jump cue.... not having success jumping with my break / jump cue.... maybe i need to go lighter with a dedicated jump cue..... your thoughts? Vince

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Obviously, dedicated jump cues are better for jumping than most break/jump combo cues, especially if using the dart stroke. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/jump/ billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/technique/

[@claytetraindavis2103]

How much damage does it do to a regular playing cue with a soft tip when trying to masse?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

If you do power masse shots a lot with your playing cue, the tip will compress some. And if your cue is not mechanically sound, there could be damage over time.

[@claytetraindavis2103]

Thank you👍

[@jeffren70]

I saw a poor player do that jacked up miscue jump shot 25 years ago. He thought he was actually jumping the ball correctly but was cueing far behind the ball. I ridiculed him to myself at the time, but I'm ashamed to admit I had to use it a couple times in tournaments when jump cues were not allowed.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

That wouldn't work against a knowledgeable player or with an experienced and knowledgeable ref.

[@jeffren70]

@@DrDaveBilliards I wouldn't do it in front of a Ref. Just a couple times really quick when there was no other choice. Not proud of it.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@jeffren70 Understood.

[@ttgeralt8189]

Imagine how godlike Earl Strickland has to be if he can jump full table with a Meucci

[@DrDaveBilliards]

It does take lots of cue speed. It also helps in the playing cue is light and has a hard tip.

[@rashad5969]

I was to write the same thing.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I guess great minds think alike. :)

[@anthonykeller5120]

I was fortunate enough to see Willie Mosconi visit our university pool room for a demonstration. There were quite a few of us into playing 14:1 (early 1970’s). Mosconi used a different type of jump shot on his breaks that I have not seen another player use. Sharivari has thirty second demo of this, but it’s still not enough to see what is really going on before, during, and after the shot. So, what did Willie do that I cannot do? He struck the cue ball in such a fashion that after hitting (and making) the object ball the cue ball jumped into the air into the middle of the rack. The cue ball would come down and spread the rack for another 14:1 clearance. Can you do a slow motion video like this one (which was great by the way)?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I'll add it to my "list." Unfortunately, my "list" is extremely long and keeps getting longer. BTW, I do have similar examples, using the CB hop technique, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGLGq4imbtBli80 and here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4PYpoOCj7Chq7s Enjoy!

[@whitigir]

Am I seeing it correctly that the Cueball temporarily dented in ?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

The CB does compress a little, but probably not enough to see. The chalk cloud can cause optical illusions.

[@peterhaslund]

I don't agree that there is only contact once at 5.00 mins. In my view there needs to be contact twice for the cue ball to elevate when struck with a non "jump cue". Now in snooker there is generally harder conditions (smaller balls, smaller pockets, longer distances, longer baize) but the length of the baize tends to nullify these when it comes to jumping the cue ball. In snooker, no special jump cue is needed and I would like for someone to check that out in hi speed, as it probably is always a double hit?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

At 5:00, the tip was close to hitting the CB a second time, but I don't think it did. Even if it did, there is certainly not convincing-enough visual evidence to call a foul (even with the super slow motion video).

[@peterhaslund]

@@DrDaveBilliards In physics why else would it jump?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@peterhaslund The CB is hit downward, causing it to rebound off the slate (after compressing the cloth).

[@IndianHeathen1982]

Are Dr. Popper jump cues legal?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

They don’t violate any rules I am aware of.

[@BoredT-Rex]

Jump shots should be illegal...one you really need a special jump cue and second you really need a slow motion camera

[@DrDaveBilliards]

You don't need a camera for jumps, just like we don't need a camera for miscues and normal double hits. We were really pushing the limit of foul technicalities in this video. Although, a jump cue and good technique do help a lot. See: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue/jump/ billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/technique/ The jump shot is an important weapon in modern pool, and every serious player should master the technique.

[@9ballwizard]

Correct, as most jump fouls are never called and they happen way more often than anyone realizes on short jumps... Which is why they should be required to use full cues, when you do it correct it's obvious in real time and there's a distance limit when done wrong its also obvious, not the case with these shortened cues.

[@ericbeeler1512]

Regarding the miscue scoop jump shot, the foul isn't the scoop (assuming it was unintentional/accidental), it's the double hit action that creates the jumping action. I don't believe it can jump(hardly at all) without the double hit action that makes the jump action possible. Opinion on this Dr. Dave or anyone else?

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Good point. If there is a full miscue, the jump is caused by the secondary contact; therefore, it should be a double-hit foul.

[@georgemathiellis5486]

Although I am quite good with jump shots and I can consistently jump over a ball from one ball distance I never got the hang of popper jump cue. Too much force is required for that thing to jump. I can though jump from one chalk distance (illegally) using just the shaft of my jump cue!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

It definitely requires a different stroke and strike point.

[@medureczek]

Maestria

[@Halfgig57]

Very interesting! While I'm considered a good jumper, those near vertical very close ones are too close for me ;-)

[@DrDaveBilliards]

A near-vertical jump is more of a trick shot than a useful technique during game play. It is a “low percentage” shot, even for Venom.

[@ColinRobinson92]

The reason they don't have such inflexible standards on certain fouls is because at a professional tournament calling a ball in hand is tantamount to giving the game to the opponent. Nobody wants the ref to decide the outcome of a game, especially the ref.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Exactly. A foul should be called only if there is clear visual evidence, and the benefit of the doubt always goes to the shooter.

[@AngryRobot87]

Motherf*cker, all this time i thought i was doing something wrong because i remember seeing a video saying that jumping the cueball with a playing cue was possible.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Jumping with a playing cue is possible (especially a light cue with a hard tip), but it is much easier with a jump cue. For technique help, see the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/jump/technique/

[@raymondgirardtan4978]

It seems like it would be extremely tough for a referee to spot a foul in a typical tournament scenario.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

… with jump shots, yes (especially highly elevated jump shots). A foul is called only when there is clear visual evidence. However, most fouls for most types of shots are very easy to call. For lots of examples see the videos and category links here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/

[@cynot71]

"Venom style"

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Damn right! :)

[@canoai]

highly elevaged jump shots should all be illegal because it damages the table. Even more than scoop shots

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@canoai All jump shots create skid marks on the cloth, but you are right that highly elevated jump shots can cause even more damage. Elevated power masse shots are worse.

[@tkreiner1902]

Are dr. Popper jump cues banned in most leagues?

[@jocu475]

Never heard of them being banned

[@DrDaveBilliards]

I don't know of any leagues or tournaments that ban specific jump cue brands. The APA doesn't allow any jump cues (except in the Masters division).

[@kurtkensson2059]

First???

[@DrDaveBilliards]

Second.

[@kurtkensson2059]

@@DrDaveBilliards Darn, denied by a technicality.

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@kurtkensson2059 The rules are the rules. :)

[@kurtkensson2059]

@@DrDaveBilliards And this video seems to indicate that you favor changing some!

[@DrDaveBilliards]

@@kurtkensson2059 Agreed. There is always room for improvement. For example, the VNEA just voted to get rid of the antiquated 45-degree push-shot rule per this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/foe7gHWLdtiDicU