Jund Ramp - LCI Prerelease Premier Draft | MTG Arena

[@trdrenth]

The "please ban yourself from my chat" never gets old. 😂

[@FaeriePuck]

I have played maybe two hours of MTG in my life. I have no idea what’s going on. Sean Plott is just such a cool dude online I like to watch him having fun playing games he enjoys

[@impp18]

"I'm basically playing Deep Rock Galactic by myself" Welcome to the company: FOR ROCK AND STONE!

[@TheBigPenguu]

The gnome synergy in this format is ridiculous.

[@E3Zen]

The caveman

[@Dracobyte]

Let's goo!!

[@wallacelovecraft8942]

Nice vid.

[@mkoose]

Being Batman ;-) Even just once.

[@morgansmith3490]

Concave

[@hurktang]

I cannot see how caves could be a good draft option here. Just on face value. First, you get to replace a basic land which was a free card given to you. The extra value of drafting a cave is minuscule at best. And you make the rest of your deck just much more complicated to make it work. On top, we can even come to the conclusion that if, by any mean, drafting a cave was better than drafting an actual card, the value would just be off the chart in a constructed standard. Right? Since in theory you could make ALL your lands cave and get insane amount of value out of it. It's safe to say they balanced the cave card with constructed in mind and therefore it ought to be crap in draft.

[@joshhudson9839]

This isn't really the way you should be thinking about caves and similar types of value lands we tend to get for draft. The reason you want them (the discover ones at least) is because they give you flood insurance, they're part of your mana base but in the late game when you get start getting into topdeck mode you can crack it for a real card. We've seen cards like this a lot and they tend to range from okay in fast formats to fantastic in slower formats. Most of the time you can find a space to play a tap land where it won't really hurt your tempo because you didn't need the extra mana that turn anyway, though they do get a lot worse if you draw multiple of them because then they will start hurting your tempo a lot more. They're not really for constructed, in constructed you don't really go to topdeck mode all that much and the decks that do run out of steam aren't really insterested in lands that come in tapped. As for the other caves besides the discover ones the ones that fix your mana are okay albeit not great, sometimes you just need ways to fix your mana in draft and your options are limited so you end up having to run stuff like promising vein sometimes but you prefer not to. As for the cave deck as a whole I'm not really convinced it's a thing in draft or constructed or anywhere but we'll see.

[@hurktang]

@@joshhudson9839 sure! It's a fine LAND and might see play in constructed. But in draft, you need to DRAFT it. And you replace a free basic land that you didn't have to draft with one of your limited drafted card. It may be slightly better than a normal land, but it leaves you with one less drafted card. I hope it make sense for you. I'm not saying caves are bad, i'm just saying caves are bad in DRAFT. Because if they were any good in draft, they would be broken in constructed.

[@joshhudson9839]

@@hurktang Again this line of reasoning doesn't really work. Yes you have to take the cave over another card you could've potentially drafted instead but you only put ~23 of the 42 cards cards you draft into your deck. It doesn't matter if you're taking a cave over another nonland if that nonland wasn't going to make the cut in your deck anyway. You're not taking lands like this over good playables you want to run, you take them when the opportunity cost is low and the card you would've taken instead either wouldn't have made the deck at all or is a 23rd playable level filler card you can easily replace. As for constructed, the issue with these discover caves in particular is you just can't be running lands that come into play tapped and only produce 1 color in constructed, the format is too fast for that, in constructed you don't have nearly as much space to fit in tapped lands and the decks that are fitting in tapped lands are generally using those spaces to fix their mana.

[@hurktang]

@@joshhudson9839 yes! I think we agree, I would definitively pick a cave, if nothing else of value in my color/deck come up. absolutely! but I would not go in a draft thinking "I'm gonna click anything that say 'cave' on it" like day9 just did. That's a recipe for disaster. I meant : '"Caves, as a whole, are not, and cannot be good as a draft plan." (because then they would be OP in constructed) I never meant : "All caves are bad" and you should never pick any of them.

[@michaelbohm5160]

@@hurktang I mean... you're not wrong, but he makes it quite obvious that he's picking caves with priority just for the fun of it.