JUST ANNOUNCED! New Kubota Standard L 3302 & 3902 Compact Tractors!

Kubota announced upgrades to their Standard L series at the National Farm Machinery Show. Tractor Time with Tim and Ken from Bolt On Hooks got to review the L3302 and L3902. Watch before buying a Kubota to see if the upgrades are for you!
Ken's Bolt on Hooks
www.boltonhooks.com/
Use Code TTWT for 5% Discount!
Tractor Time with Tim Information:
Website: TractorTimewithTim.com
Favorite Products: amazon.com/shop/TractorTimeWit...
TTWT Merchandise: TractorTimeWithTim.com/shop
Facebook: / tractortimewithtim

[@davebarnessr.5805]

One of the reasons I bought my L4701 was the Independent PTO, and another option that came standard on mine which was a must for me was the working cruise. Just one more yr and it’s paid off-Amen!

[@MrManic52001]

All the fixes love it. I had to put Cruise control on my L2501 to utilize dual brakes... works well.

[@batterpm11]

I’ll admit those are some decent upgrades, especially in the operating station. Compared to my 3901, really glad to see the independent pto. Brakes are useless on mine. I would like to see more weight in the rear end. I added a shim kit to the hydraulics to get a little more. That definitely made a improvement.

[@BradMyers]

Nice to see improvements to models. As you pointed out, when they compete, it is usually the consumer that wins in the end.

[@RockhillfarmYT]

Nice job covering The new machines

[@mattpavlick2640]

Thanks, Tim! I really appreciate your opinion at the end. I like your idea of doing another episode on the various PTO options. This is something really confusing for new tractor buyers.

[@gebada7655]

I love Tim and Kenny tractor and attachments videos. Thanks guys.

[@kdeckster]

Thanks!

[@ajpsawmill4314]

I have the 3200dt,524 loader and bh77 backhoe. Probably the best little tractor I've owned. Prices sure have gone up.

[@acdii]

The loader for the L4060HSTC-LE finally arrived!! I will get my new tractor next week! WOOT My one and only complaint on my B2410 IS the brake pedal location. To use it requires both feet on the right side, one on the go pedal, the other operating the brakes. If you aren't flexible, and believe me, being 60 pounds overweight I am NOT flexible, it makes for some painful contortions. The Grand L has the brakes on the left which was a huge selling point for me.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Great video! I've got 13 years experience with the L series and these are my takeaways. Standard right side grab handle........finally!! Love the hood slant forward. Glad they didn't move the loader handle to the fender like the LX. 👍The PTO button looks like it will be in the way....that should be on the dash. 👎 As you mentioned, brakes above the treadle are impossible to use simultaneously to help turn the tractor, but let's face it, using brakes independently to turn tight is a farmer row crop thing and will tear up lawns and pastures. It will be weird to use your left foot for braking since most everyone drives an automatic transmission in their car/truck. Rubber floor mats are awesome. Can the hood open without tilting the cow catcher forward? I didn't see vents in the hood like the L3901. Any upgrades to the toolbox? I'm not sold on that whole new bucket thing. All in all, price would drive my decision on a new L3901 vs L3902. I still think the L3800HST is the perfect tractor though. 💪

[@tractortalkwithgary1271]

Thanks for sharing this Tim. I have been blowing the trumpet about the brake pedals and the hydrostatic rocker pedal being that close together and on the same side. I have the Kubota L2501 gear drive. The DT version. I am kind of alone out here as it seems everyone flocks to the hydrostatic version. I really love mine. The one thing that I really like is that the pro is not independent. When I brush hog, if I get into really heavy stuff, by stabbing the clutch, it kills the power to the pro and saves shearing pins. That has been a huge plus for me. My application is different from most but it really works very well for me. By doing this, Kubota I think has hit a home run. They can now satisfy both ends of the spectrum. Old gear jammers like me and the newer generation of those who enjoy the technological advances of time.

[@rogerr1296]

I love my Kubota and understand the need for companies to keep things fresh, but I just wish they would make more significant changes (admittedly the PTO change was) instead of just a few nick-nacks. I would like to see them use a customer punch list based on things customers have complained about or suggested (ex., relocation of the bucket control stick) instead of looking for things they can make look like a big change (ex., changing the color of the fluid caps). JMHO though.

[@halsnyder296]

Looks a lot like what was already on the L4701 (one of my tractors)

[@ritterjon]

💥 Great overview, they’ve made some nice improvements, especially with that independent PTO. 👍 Thanks for covering this. *Keep on tractoring!*

[@billfenner7084]

I thought that you are more green color guy

[@billfenner7084]

Sorry I know that you're a orange fan.

[@BobsOutdoorActivities]

At 8:39, great photo. I sure would like to make the Farm Machinery Show. Maybe again next year. Google Maps says about a 5.5 hour drive.

[@HuserHelpers]

To use steering breaks, you would set the hystat lock so that you have a constant speed. Not exactly ideal. I was reading about this change and it has been needed for years. Thanks for sharing, J

[@thegreatnorthwoodswithbb2863]

I had the l3301 was a great great tractor yes the brake pedal placement was kind of ridiculous but otherwise loved the tractor was sorry to see it go when I traded it off for the lx2610. But I'm loving that cab at -10°🚜

[@rogereubanks953]

I have an l3200 and I think it would be a huge adjustment for my break on the left side but I’m sure I would adjust

[@C_J_81]

Independent PTO is why I passed on several nicely priced B2620 and B2920s in favor of a B2601.

[@PastorDavidFranklin]

Well done Tim, Great info. Looks like you had a great time. Hope Christy kept a handle on your cheeseburgers. LOL!

[@mitch_smith]

Tim, I appreciate you taking the time to read the scripture posted at the end. I really enjoy that.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Thanks for the encouragement, Mitch!

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

Says on the website lift cap is 1985 lbs. ? Almost 4 thousand dollar markup and still left the loader control floating in the air out in front of you, instead of down beside you? 🤔

[@BigDaddyAddyMS]

It was always independent PTO. The clutch was just for PTO engagement.

[@cashxx]

Kubota talked about the independent electric PTO as an upgrade. I believe Neil at Messick's talked down on the 1025r because it had this compared to the bx23s if I remember correctly. Also surprised the loader control isn't on the fender!

[@wildbill23c]

The BX PTO is a manual lever wet clutch and is independent. The larger tractors still seemed to have a clutch involved for engagement of the PTO for several models it seems. Doing that meant you still had to manually operate a clutch pedal when engaging and disengaging the PTO is what it seemed to me like they were getting at in the Messick's video where the electric PTO would be prone to electrical switch/wiring failures maybe? I have no clue. I have no problems with the lever type engagement on my BX...and I'm sure those who have the button/knob PTO engagement probably say the same with their system...both engage a clutch in the transaxle from what I understand, one is just controlled by a lever the other is a switch....the only issue I see with the electric version is you have to go from of to on, there's no easy engagement like there is with the manual lever and/or the clutch...with those electric PTOs you have instant on, there's no easing into it like you can do with the manual engagement types...some implements that creates an issue with a shock load which will usually result in breaking shear pins if you aren't careful.

[@BG-vq9fd]

Interesting, I learned something.

[@stalrev]

mine is the 2021 4wd L2501, i only use the throttle pedal when transporting or just moving from location to location where i am using the tractor. my brakes stay in the lock position most of the time, unless in some sloppy or hill areas. i set my throttle on the dash to the rpms i need for the work i am doing and use the brake. i have a size 11EE foot so there has been an instance or two that i hit the throttle pedal but not often. If you drove the old standard clunker cars in your day you might remember how we were trained in the foot on the brake and throttle while clutching on a hill maneuver lol. but the configuration i like and im use to.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Sounds like you have the gear drive version?

[@garycorrick]

I have an old (2006) L3130. The brake pedals are directly above the "go" pedal. Frankly, we almost never use the brakes.

[@Michaeldpress14]

I’ve never used the brakes while Operating my l3901 hst . Only when trailering or parking on a hill .

[@nickg2366]

I have an L2501 and I only use the brakes to release the parking brake lol. Still a lot of bang for your buck!

[@rodneycarpenter3253]

Those are some nice upgrades on the L series tractors I have owned the L3901 for 5 years now and it has been trouble free so far. I really like it but the brakes are pretty much useless compared to the L3902.

[@michaelmactavish4445]

yeah kubotas new l3302 and 3902 are pretty good on u.s.a and canada markets

[@TheLettich17]

Local dealer just told me no 3302 until next summer, is that just central PA thing? I can, and may still get the 01 but 02 looks good

[@ohiofarmer254]

I use the cruise control with my turning brakes. The independent pto has its place but wit a rotary cutter and tiller i prefer to be able to slowly let out my clutch as the pto engages to save abuse on the machine

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Independent PTO and electric engagement are two different things. In my opinion, independent PTO should be mandatory.

[@stanleybaker8707]

What made you choose John deere over all the other companies?. Hello from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦😊.

[@DavidJones-wq9cm]

I do like those upgrades on the 02's. My L3901 is a little over a year old and I would consider upgrading for the reasons you mentioned. The only way to use the brakes to help steer is if you have two right feet🤨. I never did understand that, who ever originally designed those had obviously never been on a tractor...

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Exactly! Yet, folks continue to brag on Kubota designs!

[@drummer57]

I have a l35 when I use the split brakes I will the backhoe throttle hand lever works for me

[@keithrayeski3147]

Still sticking to that treadle pedal though! I watched this only to see if they had done enough to pull me over…they didn’t. Still off the list, along with the green one…

[@wildbill23c]

They've used treadle pedals for decades I highly doubt they'll change a pedal in hopes that a green operator will change to orange due to pedals.

[@keithrayeski3147]

@@wildbill23c I’m not green either. I just don’t like treadle pedals. At least kubota moved the brake to the left side.

[@windzer]

I have an l3901 the steering brakes arent usable unless you buy the cruise control kit and install it that's a lever on your left side that holds the treadle pedal at what ever speed u want then then your foot's free to use the brakes but 99.9% of the tractors dont have kit

[@Stinker337]

I've installed a cruise control on my L3901 so while controlling my speed with the cruise control I can use the turning brakes at the same time. Although an electric PTO sounds good it does not work well with a 3 pt. chipper/ shredder.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Why not?

[@Stinker337]

@@TractorTimewithTim By using an electric PTO would apply too much torc to the chipper causing it to break shear pin where as the clutch can be slowly engaged avoid breaking pins.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

No worries, at least on Deere tractors. Maybe some of these other brands are too sudden…dunno.

[@jddriver9565]

You know i love John Deere but i gotta say that new hood looks very good!:O

[@waynederby4684]

Tim: The thing I like most about your channel is the religious quotes & references that you make at the end of each one. Thanks you for that. Wayne

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Thanks Wayne!

[@btsllc9676]

I will double that sentimate Wayne.

[@madtater5948]

last year I tried to buy a kaboba tractor but nothing out there available so I went to the other orange tractor

[@barelystablefarm7151]

Kubota's different models the grande L this and standard L that and all the number designations make my head spin! Also, I didn't even know you could even get a machine with a live PTO anymore! God, it's like finding a vehicle with a hand crank to start the engine!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I agree! However, take a look at the comments. There are several actually defending this 1950’s technology!

[@wildbill23c]

Model numbers are very simple with Kubota. First 2 numbers are HP, last 2 are the series. Extremely simple. No head spinning required. As far as the manual PTO engagement there are a lot of tractors that have that, if you get one with a manual transmission it most likely has a manually engaged PTO as well. The thing many don't realize is having that electric PTO (it has nothing to do with LIVE or not) same exact thing as the Kubota BX manual lever, its engaging a clutch inside the transmission whether you are doing it with an electro-magnet or with a lever, its the same independent PTO design. You guys are thinking of the type of PTO found on like the old Ford N series tractors where everything got tied into the clutch which is a LIVE PTO, rather than independent. The yellow knob just does the same thing inside the transaxle, it engages the clutch pack for the PTO output. The thing with an electro-magnet engaging that PTO is you no longer have a smooth engagement, it goes from off to full on as soon as you flip that switch...some implements that creates shear pin breaking issues....both the lever and the electric engagement work fine, just gotta be careful with some of those electric engagement type PTOs as they aren't as forgiving for a smooth startup as the manually operated ones, and the ones that require you to manually use a clutch pedal to ease them into engagement. It has nothing to do with old technology...the concept is the same, just an electric engagement over a manually operated clutch, and you lose the ability to slowly and steadily engage it but if you have your throttle low enough when you hit the switch, supposedly it'll be fine, but I've heard of people still breaking shear pins on stuff like brush hogs, tillers, that type of stuff. I don't mind the manually engaged PTO on my BX, but the switch probably would be fine too as my implements have slip clutches rather than pins, so probably wouldn't be a huge deal either way in my case.

[@barelystablefarm7151]

@@wildbill23c For a non Kubota guy the model numbers are confusing because of the chassis The older B series chassis are 20 or 50 The new B series chassis is 00 or 01 The BX series chassis are 50,60,70 The Grand L chassis are 30,40,60 The Standard L chassis are 00 or 01 The MX series chassis are 00 The M Series chassis are 60, X, or GX JD's is much easier with the series of tractor, E, R, M, D, and horspower are uniform throughout.

[@daveknowshow]

cruise control is how i brake steer works great

[@Lumber_Jack]

Beau gave some very important market data at 0:37 when mentioning the L series are the top selling compact tractors in the US across all brands. The way sales data is handled by the equipment manufacturer's association, a manufacturer like Kubota only knows their numbers and the market total. So to be able to say "top selling" means Kubota is over 50% market share in US compact tractor sales, which is impressive when you think about how competitive it is and how many brands there are.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I think you are making some invalid assumptions. Actually several in this comment.

[@Lumber_Jack]

@@TractorTimewithTim Hi Tim, it's been discussed by Neil Messick too -- you can ask him for more details if you don't follow my explanation here (or talk with Beau). It works like this: each manufacturer only learns about the total sales number in each segment from the equipment manufacturer's association who tallies total sales from all companies. Each manufacturer can then use their private internal sales numbers to compute their market percentage. When Kubota concluded they crossed over 50% in the

[@davelarman2151]

Wish I could have made the show. Question does anyone know if they make an electric step lift for older, shorter people to to help get on or off the tractor? I know some people and companies have fabricated things for larger tractors. Wife’s uncle couldn’t get on my new tractor (75?) before I lowered the step. Was wondering if an outside company made something like that. Also my wife is short and the first time she got on she said OMG 😆. Love TTWT hope you all subscribe and if you would like or know of somewhere to get a step lift please leave a comment. ( I already sent a message to Tim and Kristy and they were very kind).

[@richc9890]

Looks like they added options that Massey has already been offering.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

…and essentially everyone else…cept for Kioti who religiously copies Kubota.

[@Lilfarmrboy]

As a former BX owner & now a Deere 2032R owner all I can say I still love Kubota & seriously looked at the LX for my BX replacement but I cannot stand the treadle pedal. On the BX it wasn't to bad since the mechanism went below the floorboard but on all other Kubotas it's entirely above the floorboard. Deere picked up a sale because the twin touch pedals are so much more easier. I really wished Kubota offered a conversion kit. Even if I had to pay out of pocket they would have gotten a sale if they did.

[@SteveMac.]

Same here. The Kubota dealer is less than two miles from me. Deere dealer is much farther. I bought the Deere over the Kubota specifically because of the treadle pedal. I have some damage to my right leg and simply cannot operate that pedal. I guess the Kubota owners like it, but it was a deal breaker for me.

[@Lilfarmrboy]

@@SteveMac. dealer support and location weighs heavily on my tractor purchases. In Delaware Atlantic Tractor (Deere) & Burke Equipment (Kubota) are the most prevalent with Messicks just up the road in PA. The BX setup wasn't that bad. With the treadle design partly under the floorboard it was manageable. With the rest you either ride your right foot on top of the treadle pedal which is highly uncomfortable or you gotta kick your heel out to an uncomfortable position & use your toes. The twin touch system which is just about standard on all other models is so much simpler & easier on your foot. God bless the Kubota owners who like it but it gives me leg cramps just thinking about it. Are you reading this Kubota? Please give guys like Tim, Steve, & myself options!

[@C_J_81]

I went with a Kubota specifically because of the treadle peddle. I find it far more intuitive than the twin touch system. The Deere system operates the opposite of how you feel it should work.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I get the ‘opposite’ criticism. As in forward should be the right most pedal. I just can’t get the ‘more comfortable’ argument for the long treadle. Either move the entire leg, or hook the toe approach are both incredibly uncomfortable. Much more difficult than ‘rotate the heel’.

[@Lilfarmrboy]

@@C_J_81 I guess to each their own I suppose. Every piece of equipment I've owned with HST has used twin touch pedals except the BX. This is perhaps the reason I prefer twin touch pedals I suppose.

[@jdfleetguy28]

Although not a fan of those orange machines. I do really enjoy seeing your equipment show videos. These are always some of my favorite videos of the year. Looking forward to a video from the Green Machine booth. As well as your best new tractor attachment video.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Got some more coming…maybe not same themes as before, but we think interesting.

[@ericjohnson9080]

2 or 3 range?

[@davereynolds7070]

Awesome, I love to hear the Bible verses at the end of the videos, please keep adding them.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@lcee6592]

Not being familiar with the L series I’m surprised they had the brakes on the right hand side. As the B and LX have the brakes on the left with a lever controlled PTO. Strange… maybe the transmission/axle is different? A comparison of the different PTOs would be great!!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

The need for a clutch drove the positioning of the brakes to the right side. Requiring a clutch solely to support the old fashioned dependent PTO is crazy. PTO’s should be independent. Period!

[@blessed7fold]

@@TractorTimewithTim The irony is it costs more to make the live PTO with the clutch then it does to make an independent PTO with no clutch.

[@campnut6076]

I love keeping up with the new changes and features but I don't think it is worth trading in my old B7800. I believe I heard $28k as a starting price. I think my old B series just went up in value. 😁😁

[@blessed7fold]

Unlikely, those tractors had a defective design where the rear 3 point lift arms shake when they're lifted up. If anything those tractors along with the 01 series is going to plummit in value.

[@andrewslagle1974]

@@blessed7fold All tractors and equipment new and used has gone up big time and with the massive inflation they will keep going up gas will be 5+ a gallon very soon. People remember this when voting !

[@blessed7fold]

@@andrewslagle1974 Lemon tractors and defective equipment is not going up. People are not interested in buying turds. Those tractors have no resale value in any market or any economy. Far as voting we did vote but the Republican party helped steal and certify a false election. So voting doesn't matter anymore.

[@AlanCSXFan]

You don’t use the steering pedals, unless you have to right feet!!!

[@larryalbertson3042]

Personally, I like having a clutch and a very simple mechanical design. Sounds like their corporate has thought things through. As a tractor owner of the 2501 I am glad they left that model alone! Buyers who are willing to pay for emissions and for more power will quite likely want more features, buyers like me who refuse to own Diesel engines with complex and expensive emissions systems quite likely will be more drawn to a more simple and affordable mechanical design overall. The two times I’ve used my steering break I used my other foot or my right heel and toes it’s awkward but worth it to have a clutch and still have steering breaks in my opinion. If I understood correctly the dt model still uses the clutch for the pto and kills it when you push in the clutch that’s a problem in my thinking. Options are nice that’s why they should be there, so those of us that don’t want to pay for them don’t have to!

[@nickg2366]

Agreed

[@mattcanfield6384]

Exactly simple is reliable I also have a l2501 I wouldn't trade it for anything

[@andrewslagle1974]

There are new tractors made that do not regen they use different systems for emissions.There are companies that make work arounds for the emissions systems, several of my friends have installed them on there kubotas and no more emission problems!

[@tannersloan6725]

I hate the treadle peddle so much, if they got rid of it, I would buy it in a heart beat

[@wysurvivor]

I'm surprised he didn't find something wrong with tractor.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Unlike you, jack, we attempt to be objective. These are nice incremental improvements to the Standard L series.

[@wysurvivor]

@@TractorTimewithTim objective tell me which video that is. Name the last video you had anything positive to say about Kubota?

[@wysurvivor]

Still waiting for that video.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

@@wysurvivor I say positive things on the Grand L series frequently. Check out the episode where the L4060 is pulling the TS10. Love the 2 speed shift on the go transmission.

[@wysurvivor]

@@TractorTimewithTim I admit you did say some nice things about that tractor. Like I've said before it's clear JD has bought you loyalty. you bias against Kubota is clear spelled out in the comments you've left.

[@richardtheriault7624]

Brakes? I do not believe I ever use them on my l3301.

[@donaldstrishock3923]

Good thing they color coded the dipstick,got rid of the " buck-board" seat, scraped the front "no-load-ability" front loader ( still lacking amplifying bucket-linkage assembly ). All these fine upgrades for 7000.oo$ more- must of cost Kubota 175.oo$ more! And yes l have a "KUBOTA " but Realy LIKE my Massey-Ferguson 's and Will be buying ANOTHER Massey-Ferguson(#3)----they don't "cheep-out".

[@eosjoe565]

I might be in the minority but going from the mechanical PTO engagement to an electrically controlled one seems like a step backwards. The mechanical PTO is much simpler and it gives you the ability to gently engage the PTO. It also seems strange to have a new loader model number just because of a new bucket. Aren't buckets interchangeable?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Deere are all soft start. Very gentle to engage. I dunno about this one.

[@eosjoe565]

@@TractorTimewithTim It must be a feature on newer models then because when I pull up on the PTO button on my 2720 the PTO immediately starts spinning at a speed relative to engine RPM.

[@C_J_81]

@@eosjoe565 The 3720 is the same way.

[@jimroeske2049]

1 think I’ll keep my 2012 jd 3320

[@jonnylowkon]

I’ll keep my 1990 955 also over anything new.

[@coyoteboys4994]

What's the price tag on this? I'm new to the game. Just bought a 100 acre farm. I know zero about tractors.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Keep watching!

[@darrellfincher2948]

Say NO to Branson ,not ergonomically designed in the layout of the controls!

[@robertmccall8666]

Im not sure why every company hasn't included brush guards on tractors prob so we pay more for repairs ... just saying

[@xcgates]

2501 here, I don't ever use the steering brakes, they are just useless. Not sure when it's be usable, but then again I'm a light user.

[@themadrooster2454]

Wow it's almost a competitor to the KIOTI CK3510 much better bang for the buck mine is three years old with no problems that Kubota name and paint are expensive

[@andrebeaule9457]

Hello Tim I have a small stupid question… At the end of the video, you have dated this to be between the 15th and 18th of February (2023). Do you now shoot videos in the futur?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

That is the date of next year’s show. Not the date of this video.

[@MJF40]

Thanks Tim without you seems like he would’ve been quite vague with newuities 😉

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yea, I kinda felt that way too. Describing independent PTO just by showing the knob is weak in my opinion.

[@eosjoe565]

@@TractorTimewithTim Agree. He should have elaborated on the way the existing PTO works and then described what having an independent PTO means. Independent probably means different things to different people depending on what tractors you are familiar with. For me, as a long time Ford N-series user, independent would mean I can run the PTO without the tractor being in gear.

[@wildbill23c]

@@TractorTimewithTim So you were sitting on the tractor, and its your channel so why were you not pointing this stuff out in the first place? Those people they send to those shows know far less about the equipment than the people climbing around on them it seems....like when I bought my truck several years ago I was telling the salesman about the truck...I should have gotten a job with the dealership in sales I knew more about their vehicles than the salesmen did LOL.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

It isn’t as easy to conduct an interview as it might seem. Sorry.

[@eosjoe565]

@@TractorTimewithTim Totally understand. My comments were directed more towards the Kubota rep who you would think would be more forthcoming with details on some of the major changes - without you having to drag it out of him. :-)

[@oklahomachris6298]

My one thought is I wish they JD and kubota would set aside the competition and work harder to make one tractor in each series better and better instead of changing stuff just because a competitor does. Even vehicles I feel the same

[@kdegraa]

Competition leads to innovation. If competitors get together competition declines. Consumers benefit from more competitors not fewer. In any case just say the managers, the engineers, the production staff, the designers from Kubota and John Deere got together to just say improve the John Deere 3e series, how would this work? Would Kubota as part of the deal agree not to sell standard L series tractors anymore? Would Kubota start selling their own version of the improved 3e? A very similar system was tried with car manufacturing in Australia in the mid to late 1980s to mid 1990s. At the time General Motors, Ford, Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi were the main car manufacturers in Australia. The government forced them to come together and work together. The end result was Holden started selling Toyota’s and vice versa. Ford sold Nissan’s and vice versa and so forth. It did not work in that the Ford sold by Nissan was never as popular as the Ford sold by Ford. After around 10 years they all gave up and no one was terribly upset by that. 20 years later car manufacturing ceased in Australia.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Competition is what keeps the industry going. Without competition, nothing would improve.

[@oklahomachris6298]

Wasn’t meaning they come together. Talking taking one tractor making it better instead of changing a whole lot of things. Or changing a number like 1025 keep it that keep the motor maybe make the motor better just an example don’t mean the motor is bad or unreliable just a quick example.

[@kdegraa]

@@oklahomachris6298 aren't manufacturers doing this already? If we compare a tractor sold in 2022 to 2002 there will be some improvements and most probably the 20 year old tractor was not a complete piece of garbage when it was sold to a customer. So improvements over time are marginal. I think the greatest issue with tractors is their general design. They are built on solid frames with little to no suspension. As a result they cannot handle bumps and dips very well. Some companies like Antonio Carraro have built tractors to handle rough ground but most tractors are built like they will only operate on perfectly smooth and level ground. No one would buy a car with wheels mounted on solid axles and no suspension. It would be interesting if a company like Kubota built a hillside tractor, one that is designed to operate safely on steep and rough terrain.

[@oklahomachris6298]

@@kdegraa in ways yes but take for instance my fathers his is all pre emissions mind you but it is one everyone who has ever owned one loved it it’s not made anymore farmers loved it anyway. Improvements could’ve been made yet it’s not made anymore. That’s what I’m meaning a great product made better than it’s previous years not say ahh we want something different. Honda for instance the Civic been built for years and they keep building them and any improvements or epa that they need to pass they study on one vehicle and it’s paid off in great was. I still don’t see the value kubota against JD. Here’s another example most maybe all have said I hate the treadle pedal they change it no. Do it on one tractor see what happens keep it if it sales and improve on that one keep in mind I say one for every series

[@nfisheremti]

the split brake is pretty much useless (i have an L3800). going forward it's possible to use it by putting your heel on the treadle pedal, and moving your toes for left and right, but the angle is so high, it's far from comfortable. backwards you'd need some clown shoes. i've tried stabbing the brake with my hand, but now my head is below the dash, and it's pretty hard to do. if you need to use the bucket control at the same time..... i've added my own modified cruise control, that works forward and backwards (it just uses a stiff hand lever attached to the treadle linkage. now i use my left hand instead of the pedal, and then my right foot works the split break while my right hand uses the bucket control. since i mostly use the spit brake to steer when i'm using maximum down pressure on the bucket (front wheels off the ground- ice breaking, tough digging), i don't need another hand for the steering wheel. it's a pain in the butt though. i only use my clutch for starting, PTO engage, and to make range select work a little smoother.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Why put up with this mess when the other brands have reasonable ergonomics? I just don't get the fascination and blind love for this tractor.

[@blessed7fold]

@@TractorTimewithTim Because of availability in local markets. A lot of the other brands aren't available for people to shop. I will also point out that the Deere 3E series neither has nor offers any suspension seat. So when you look at what you get for the money between this tractor and the Deere it's clear to most consumers that Kubota gives more value for the dollar.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yes, L02 vs 3E…I agree.

[@projectswithjw]

900 lbs in bucket! 🤣 I know of a few 1025R's that can lift more than that!

[@aarondillon3880]

That is at the maximum lift height of 94 inches. Breakout on these loaders is over 1850 pounds 500 mm out from the pivot, and capacity is 1175 lbs 500 mm out from the pivot at 1500 mm, or just shy of five feet. So don’t be confused by the 900 lbs, a 1025 is well over a foot shorter than that anyway.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I think the lift capacity stated in the interview as being ‘at the pin’ my have been incorrect. Aaron, your numbers seem more accurate.

[@jonnylowkon]

Did anyone else hear the all the screaming of fix the truddle pedal! Lol just playing but it is bad bad.

[@PineyGroveHomestead]

Urban myth. Only the people that don't like the treadle complain about it....usually JD owners who switch brands. 100s of thousands of us love it but you don't hear from us. Kubota is a very successful and popular tractor company....if the treadle was hurting sales it would have been gone years ago.

[@jonnylowkon]

@@PineyGroveHomestead I couldn’t fit my boot on, in, or around that truddle pedal lol. My first tractor was a kubota l175. I looked at kubota when I was in the market because the l175 was so reliable but that truddle pedal killed it for me. It’s twisted weird and lifted so my legs are not level which made my hips and butt uncomfortable. I guess big boots go to big boy Deere’s separate pedals. 🤷‍♂️

[@jimmcknight3021]

I couldn't tell if they are still using the regular treadle pedal or they're deluxe on Grand L?

[@jimmcknight3021]

Whoa Tim takes away Neil Messick's thumder on a new product roll out! LOL Nice improvements but I'm still glad our family has a new Grand L coming.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I think Neil may have already discussed it.

[@davidsoutdooradventuresdoa9174]

I see they are still chasing Kioti...when i heard the lift capacity, I almost spit my coffee out, hell, I can lift 800 pounds, my Kioti ck4010se could pick that tractor up and throw it, for 10k less

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Your 4010se is a different class tractor in my opinion. Very nice...but different class. I would put it against the L4060 Limited Edition Kubota.

[@markmccoy1304]

I feel the Loader is too week. The little Deers lift a shade more.

[@stdr04]

😕 Still not as feature rich as my Kioti CK3510 SE that I got for less than 20k brand new.

[@billfenner7084]

I thought that you were a green tractor guy

[@kentporter8981]

TTWT owns a Kubota LX

[@billfenner7084]

@@kentporter8981 I know that .Green is his favorite thing.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

We have always been as objective as possible in our coverage.

[@stevem2266]

Removing that clutch was a big no no… in my L 3301 I used that clutch to start my 72 inch finish mower. Now to went to electronic and there’s no way to do a soft start by gently bringing in the clutch.

[@bjenkins803]

It may be a soft start pto? Some brands use soft start.

[@BradMyers]

I have the independent PTO on the L3560. I keep the RPM low, engage the PTO (push the yellow button) the mow starts slowly and I speed up the engine to get it to the correct RPM. Not had an issue.

[@MrManic52001]

Speed in any case would be metered by engine rpm... so I don't think your concern is valid.

[@stevem2266]

@@bjenkins803 it’s not I have the same setup on my new M7060

[@stevem2266]

@@MrManic52001 no ? Well at idle speed in my new M7060 to engage the pto is the same way as the L02. Maybe you should go onto some of the tractor site and see how many people are trying to get around the initial surge because a lot of people are having issues breaking implements.

[@MannistoCay]

Flashy unit, just a bit too big for me. Thanks Tim

[@nickanto]

A few other things they should have improved besides loader capacity. Fuel filling on the hood still!? Is it 1980? Loader control not fender mounted? Don’t know any other tractor brands still doing loader mounted controls. Arm rest and grill guard are an option on a 30k tractor? Come on now. That and extendable link arms should be standard on a tractor this expensive. Kubota is basically the Toyota of the tractor world. Dead reliable, but 20 years behind on technology. Toyota did finally update the tundra after 15 years 😂

[@nervousordo]

Someone explain "fully independent pto".

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I’ll make a video.

[@stephenmcatee2104]

So basically they just added a few things that every other tractor brand has had for decades.

[@lambsweet]

Additional comment - Guys, why agree with this loader lifting compacity? 900 lbs? Wow, what a disappointment. Check Kioti and I'll bet Deere beats it too.

[@davidcassity6593]

The loader number is kilograms. The new number has 2.2 lbs more lift capacity than the other model. Take the number and multiply by 2.2 to get lift capacity

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Ha! The new number is one digit higher than the old one. Read no more into it than that!

[@lambsweet]

@@davidcassity6593 Thanks David, did I not understand the weight in kg from the video, my bad!

[@aarondillon3880]

No, you are correct. 900 lbs is the capacity at the maximum lift height of 94 inches, but that is also 500 mm or 19.5 inches forward of the pivot pin, which is where all loaders should be rated. Very few people actually need a capacity of that amount, at that height. Where these loaders will be used far more often, at say 5 feet off the ground, you can easily carry around 1200 lbs at bucket center and over 1800 lbs just off the ground. So don’t be deceived by max height bucket center ratings.

[@ActionJackson2360]

Does anybody actually like the treadle pedal? We have a small kubota at work and I don't like them. I guess if I drove it everyday that I probably would get use to that design.

[@hdbikerdave5835]

At the pin spec to me is or can be deceiving. Just give me a spec of load in the bucket. Transparency is of utmost importance. No curves or cloudiness please.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

100% agree! That is why I interjected when he said that!

[@hdbikerdave5835]

@@TractorTimewithTim I actually picked up on that when you ask him. I think he was slightly caught off guard. Always appreciate you guys and all you do with your channel. Keep up the good work my fellow JD friend. 👍🏻

[@farmboy5622]

Does Beau call his tractor a Kubeauta?! (see what I did there?!)

[@Bmw-Hk]

U meant Kutebeauty ? 😜

[@Abhishek-df5tf]

Power reversible tractor vs non power reversible which model best for agriculture used

[@Abhishek-df5tf]

Please reply

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Get one with shift on the go if possible. Power reverser is great for loader work, not as important for fieldwork.

[@Abhishek-df5tf]

Power reversal tractor and non power reversal both aur RPM same aur different

[@TractorTimewithTim]

When you say non power reverser, is it gear drive or hydrostatic? If standard gear drive, it will behave exactly like power reverser only it cannot be switched from forward to reverse without using the clutch.

[@Abhishek-df5tf]

@@TractorTimewithTim yes I m farmer power reversal tractor best for me or non power reversal (shuttle gear)

[@WolfinWolvesClothing713]

That's cool they made improvements, but none of it matters if you can't get one. I'm checking out a kioti today because I've been waiting 3 months for an lx2610. A corporation as big as kubota shouldn't take 3 months to get a tractor to a dealer.

[@windzer]

Doesnt matter wat manufacturer it is no body is getting stuff built quick enough cause they cant get the parts doesnt matter if its tractors or trucks unfortunately I saw that ford is even temporarily shutting down plants in the USA because they cant get chips

[@MrChristopoop]

Odd thing I noticed while on patrol in my neck of the woods just these past two evenings, both the Deere dealer, and the Case/Kioti dealer both just got restocked with sun and compact size tractors. A decent amount for each. Heard kubota dealer to my East also is plussed up right now. Car dealerships near us are still bare bones, though Dodge dealer got some stuff recently and it is already disappearing fast. I thought this was interesting regarding the Deere dealership as they had been getting sporadic shipments in and they would disappear quick. I spoke to their used equipment manager one night this late fall and she said that she could not keep up with their used portion of the website, and when they were at a fall farm show, almost all of what they brought was sold on site. She claimed they usually haul over 75 percent of that stuff back to the dealership after the show. Not this year. When I went to the Kioti dealer for an alarm, I got to speak with the owner. He seemed to have the problem Messick’s mentioned. No loaders for teactors

[@nickanto]

They really needed to step their lift capacity up to compete with many other brands, but didn’t. Can’t consider Kubota for that reason alone.

[@farmerfloyd7696]

They under speck the loader I have the la525 with a brush hog on the back it can lift 1500 pounds

[@donaldstrishock3923]

@@farmerfloyd7696 yea maybe for the "first " 8 inches. The pump is super low volume,& low pressure, & small diameter lift cylinders with NO amplifying bucket-linkage ( so way behind the times). The loader is Very strongly built with super-LOW capacity---- maybe for safety & longevity. Still way better than a shovel & wheelburo technique. YES l have a Kubota MX5200- just good enough. Going to go with a Massey-Ferguson 1835E--- EVERYTHING better than a Kubota L series.

[@BigDaddyAddyMS]

Kinda weak loader for that size tractor IMO. Barely more than my 1025r. I think it should be closer to 1500-1600lbs.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

1025r is 500lbs to full height. This one 900. I’d say that is pretty good.

[@BigDaddyAddyMS]

@@TractorTimewithTim true. I wasn’t thinking to full height. But I can easily pick up 1000lbs to about 3’.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

We have complete 1025r loader test results including graphs on our channel. 1300lbs ‘just off the ground’. 500-540 full height. Big difference. I think 900lbs is pretty impressive. As good as 2038r.

[@barney1941]

why do you say 900 lbs lift on the laoder is respectable???? my neighbor Hoss can almost lift that with his brother Tiny.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Well, I would say Hoss and Tiny’s lift capacity is ‘respectable’ :-). So, there!

[@subaraptor]

That quote from Revelation has a very deep meaning. The white stone refers to watching the lineage throughout history that is symbolized with the 666. It is the number of the lineage of a man. The Kenites.

[@johnjaco5544]

No HST for me,they whine and it gets old listening to it.Stick for me,thanks.

[@snowismas]

Funny when they come out with a new model and then struggle to really show it off. Nothing there was anything special. The brakes should have never been on the wrong side.

[@kentporter8981]

HST Forward/Reverse pedal is a deal breaker for me. Not sure why they’re so attached to this. JD or Kioti for me.

[@lambsweet]

Just cannot understand why this company would keep with the treadle? Sometimes it's best to admit you're wrong or change to something that is "user friendly" rather than pushing your product. i.e. I see others commenting on the "new and improved" PTO and it seems that is not what people wanted. I am with others, use a punch list of complaints and issues the real users have and stay away from Management "this is what you need" concept.

[@joecochran9976]

"About time"...had a B2710 replaced with a L2501, terribly DISAPPOINTED! Kubota should not let a 01 tractor leave the lot without filled rear tires, spacers required to put chains on..."come on man". No fender handle...say what? No floor mat...really? Kubota really let me down with the 2501, next tractor might not be orange.

[@charlesm8297]

Not impressed, I bleed john deere green! I've seen to many problems with the orange monster sadly it's usually stupid stuff by design. Like my grandpa used to tell me if it ain't broke don't fix it!!JD for life.

[@carlosmitchem101]

The main thing for 30 horse and over and I’ll just go ahead and clear the elephant out of the room region is horrible on these tractors it’s not only on the Kabota it’s all of them is this problem fixed especially in the ZD models 30 hp and over horrible problems with region no dealers want to comment on this or take responsibility but when you spend this kind of money do you want to use your equipment not let the dealer see it more than you

[@dtread9543]

Brandon is going to do everything he can to prevent us from getting these tractors

[@jerryhammack1318]

In other words not much! No remotes no quick attachments for expansion ! Plain tractor ! Differential lock not really accessible with foot on accelerator ! Also has b.s. regenerate crap emissions!

[@kylerayk]

Note to self: Never buy a "show special" or "demo" model anything! (watch the kid in the background)

[@jaxturner7288]

New to this stuff huh? Or did you think a “show special” or “demo model”discount was because they put wax on it? Or just because other people already looked at it? Besides, if you think what a child does to your tractor at an indoor show is anything near as abusive or as harmful as what you’re going to do with it in the first week of ownership….. You don’t need a tractor anyway, get a golf cart.

[@kylerayk]

@@jaxturner7288 Clearly you were "that kid" who played smash-up derby with every toy he (if that's your correct pronoun) had and all of them were destroyed by Boxing Day. Have a nice day!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Come on guys. Relax.

[@4-LOW]

They still ignored the elephant in the room....that horrendous "treadle". I won't even consider a tractor (Kubota) with that design. At least the brakes are on the left. The Kioti tractors still had the brake on the right. Who thought of that?? How can you work the brake the accel at the same time like that? Just terrible. These manufacturers need to stop trying to be different and stick to what works like New Holland and others.