Just How Good Is Crimil's Dagger Now in The Final Shape?

Crimil's Dagger is back in Destiny 2 Iron Banner in The Final Shape, but just how good is this legendary hand cannon blast from the past? What are the god rolls? Here's my full legendary PVP review.
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[@BrianMiles755]

I found it bit od that there are no iron banner perks on the gun, like iron grip etc.

[@bannedmann4469]

Really dumb, yeah. Especially since they’re enhanced now. I feel like Bungo is afraid of Hand cannons besides 180’s.

[@otisdriftwood7094]

No doubt, they really butchered the release of this. They should have made it's stats only slightly worse than Igneous. Igneous and Sturm blow every other 120 out of the water statistically. This has PI, which is the only thing it has going for it. Oh well, I don't really use 120's anymore anyway but I was hoping this would have decent stats for a longer range option on certain maps over my Rose in the kinetic slot.

[@thatr0ryt133]

I also think it’s just dumb bring it back with stats that are woeful in comparison to the best 120s.

[@SamStraker]

Shhhhhhhh, we dont need them

[@Hawkeye83627]

​@@thatr0ryt133 To be fair it's only second or third best for the archetype, that's not too bad. IDC what anyone says about it, I'm having fun and doing well with it in IB.

[@mjc1019]

Definitely, I love content creators who make un-biased videos. NO to click-bait. Thanks for these types of content!

[@Nicken_Chuggets]

A TV upload on 4th is July just feels so right, thanks for holiday surprise for us Americans

[@LoitumaMarz]

WOOOO 300k TV LETS GOO

[@jinxcustomcontrollers]

We basement dads want good info! Appreciate it as always!!

[@ricardooliva8916]

Congrats on the huge sub milestone TV 🎉❤

[@psquaredddd]

Keep up the great work TV 🙏🏻

[@Copeharder00]

Decoys are EVERYWHERE!

[@bannedmann4469]

And Young Ahamkara is still nerfed into the ground.

[@chrisgeo6713]

​@@bannedmann4469And it should stay there

[@incitossol]

Don’t forget those swarm nades

[@bannedmann4469]

@@chrisgeo6713 You’re a scrub with scrub mentality. You don’t even want PvE players to have fun. They just needed to nerf the mines themselves, maybe a small hit to the ability regeneration. But Bungo listens to scrubs like you and nuke stuff while letting other broken things run free. You’re not bright and you don’t learn. Everytime they hit popular Hunter exotics, we get worse stuff immediately. Like these endless threadings, clones, and now overpowered smokes.

[@sora_2342]

Honestly surprised they put decoys on prismatic

[@warriorgoat5939]

Great analysis. Thank you.

[@danielrobinson9893]

I enjoy your perspectives on the game, I also played with you when trials was out on bannerfall

[@iwaskillcam1434]

Congratulations on 300k Subs TV!

[@deniswith1n]

Keep the honest reviews up. That’s why a lot of us come check in.

[@corvuscorax1740]

My favorite D2 KZbinr! I always look forward to your vids and I appreciate all the content! I look up to you as a fellow double-primary enjoyer 😂

[@robertcaya8888]

Congratulations on 300k TV!

[@TrueVanguard]

Thanks Happy to finally cross that threshold!

[@Tom-th6nx]

Always luv your videos 😂.

[@Langston42]

“It’s a cool dagger, but there are greatswords out here.” I’m definitely gonna try it, got my first rolls last night which are pretty good (PI+Adagio w/ Enlightened Action). I think it’ll pair well with the Fighting Lion on closer ranged maps where my hip fire Prophet is too unwieldy.

[@EtotheFnD]

Happy 4th of July TV...🇺🇲...👊

[@TimothyMark7]

I like it because its the most satisfying and best looking hand cannons from hakke I mean it looks almost identical to the RSH-12 which is a .50 bottom cylinder revolver

[@GreatDeamon]

Love your videos! Well balanced, for every type of players, and speak to the majority of players, not just the 1%s.

[@ferbz5936]

I am a 120 enthusiast and Im in love with this gun. Ingor what inconsider my perfect roll with EP, and I feel I cant lose duels.

[@MorbusAVI]

I played you in a game on Vostok yesterday was hoping to see some clips of that game in the video😂

[@hieronymousrex491]

I got a moving target/OS roll in my first few games and enhanced it right away.

[@evansaldana7399]

I really hope the class SMG this summer has strategist on it...

[@bannedmann4469]

That’d be great. Don’t know why they took this long to give us that perk. Demi has been here for literal years.

[@vad_4235]

I for one love your reviews, and especially that no nonsense attitude you have about them.

[@MrPinkpanzer]

I agree with your point about igneous being the primere 120, but I do run an elecap true prophecy when running an arc super from time to time. The 50 handling makes the gun feel much better. Crimils feels like a relic of the past. The only juice it had was when kc 2 tapped at all resilience.

[@thatr0ryt133]

Plus the best shotgun in the game is in the kinetic slot.

[@MrPinkpanzer]

@thatr0ryt133 chaperone too, if you're so inclined.

[@thatr0ryt133]

@@MrPinkpanzer I sadly would have to haven’t got conditional formality yet 😊

[@Caydeson-1]

Igneous real has ruined any normally stated 120s for us hasn't it?

[@simplyfitness892]

Yup apart from steady hand every other 120 is just worse.

[@hugeness2329]

Seems like they should have brought steady hand back instead

[@Caydeson-1]

@@hugeness2329 I still am happy it's back, I prefer the feel of Crimil's to Steady Hand

[@bannedmann4469]

And since Bungo only looks at data in a very autistic manner. They won’t help 120’s, thanks to one.

[@otisdriftwood7094]

Sturm used to keep up until Precision Instrument became neccessary to 2h1B. Sturm has the stats to hang with Igneous if you are comfortable with three taps. I don't see how Steady Hand hangs with IH or Sturm as far as stats go and it doesn't have PI. It can get high stability but Iron Grip guts reload speed and it has horrible handling. The only way to get to 85 range on it is with Sureshot that leaves you with 10 handling.

[@savagecimmerian8442]

I believe your review is accurate overall. I tried a few different rolls and they were just ok, but then I came across moving target/precision instrument and it felt surprisingly good. I enhanced it and I think I’ll be using it for quite some time despite already having a few godly Igneous Hammers. 😁

[@sladevalen2120]

I'm really enjoying it like I used to at the beginning of D2. This is the only 120 that ever felt good to me. I got an enlightened action/ precision instrument roll and it's the first weapon I've actually masterworked this expansion

[@TimothyMark7]

and it looks identical to the RSH-12 which is a .50 bottom cylinder revolver

[@otisdriftwood7094]

Sweet, 120's are great in pvp if you can master them. They kill slow but they are the best peekshooting weapons in the game. That 2h1b with PI makes it like the old 120's. I don't know if this will replace Sturm as my kinetic slot 120, but I got a moving target/PI roll with 87 range I'm going to take for a spin.

[@ogLenas]

Is there a single outlier in any other weapon type as drastic as Igneous Hammer?

[@Mr_Sinville]

I feel the pain in the lobbies and the constant meta. I was hoping I could go into Iron Banner this week and have fun using guns I haven't used in awhile. Nope. Ended up going back to my meta loadouts just so I could compete properly.

[@mattdavis3588]

Slideways and zen moment enhanced is nice

[@Valus_Ta-aurc]

Probably never gonna use this in pvp but that roll sally gives at like rank 8 is pretty fun to use in pve and hits like a truck with precision instrument

[@ghosthouse6672]

I’ve got a pretty solid roll of this hand canon and I like it, it’s like I can’t miss

[@xthecre8or735]

I indeed enjoy your non-click bait videos, as a new dad i have less time to play D2 and have to take advantage of the time I'm on

[@AndrewOnYoutube]

After stepping away for a while, i'm having a ton of fun in IB!

[@ItsMendes]

Bungie to allow us to use the Adept mods on every gun, it make no sense that you can't use then, even more now that they removed some mods.

[@Derbycityborn]

Appreciate you

[@lavardownes9244]

If zen moment was in the first column to pair with the other damage perks would definitely raise the tier of this weopon

[@savagedrew]

I feel both dagger and claws had the perk refresh but not the stat update to match what most weapons have now.

[@mattmorrow6915]

I got one with arrowhead brake, accurized, moving target and precision instrument enhanced and I haven't taken it off since I got it I've already got 90 some kills on since last night lol. I love it but that's just me

[@Jmak329]

This is the roll. Moving target with targeting adjuster just makes this thing feel pretty damn sticky and very easy to use. May not be a stat monster like Igneous, but igneous also can't get this specific roll combo.

[@otisdriftwood7094]

That's good, I want fluted, accurized, range mastework with Slideways and PI. I have a roll with smallbore, accurized, range masterwork, moving target and PI now but I want to bump up the handling. That would be 80 range, 38 stab, 48 handling enhanced. Those are very decent numbers for a 120.

[@RobbieB2606]

Tried using, but Kovostov kills me before I can fire the third shot. Feels like an AR meta currently

[@R4W8O4]

See youre still rockin that Swift. Me too. It rips. 👍🏾

[@doriandorweiler3503]

I feel like im using this the same reason as everyone else and that is we want to use igneous and our newly obtained shayuras wrath so here we are

[@severex9851]

I'm more excited about a 540 with head seeker kill clip

[@spicy_xinger]

you the GOAT TV

[@garykennedy3054]

Thanks for being honest, and I do agree.

[@abhayasuryaavalur8184]

Hey TV could you do a state of titans video where u explain the how/why people are saying titans are lagging behind and possible show us a pve and pvp build or two to shake up the monotony of just punching. Titan main here and im just bored of punching things i want to switch to hunter so bad but ive spent way too much time on titan to just ditch it.

[@DrCarlosMoonBeam]

Don’t sleep on air trigger. Basically outlaw if you reload on a hop. It takes some getting used to but can be fun.

[@ammuhautaavaikene123]

Iv played with every reasonable roll and i feel that enlightened action/explosive payload has gotten me most consistent multikills and 3-taps in general. Also i have hammer forged, ricochet, rapid hit, eots, stability mw igneous with adept range on it and crimils feels alot better. Also i prefer the sights and found verdict over conditional, but thats just my personal opinion ✌🏻

[@thisguy9919]

Solid 2 shot 💥

[@vindeta360]

Well said. That was kinda my expectation.. I really wanted to be wrong though lol

[@Frosty_0415]

really thought it was nice imo. i got moving target and precision instrument and was having a blast. i also just enjoy hakke hand cannons

[@StygianxHorror]

Im fine with the stats, since i use Zen/Adagio Combined action anyways. the dmg loop with that one is more fun and effective for me than just igneous stats, with this having adagio as ell, i love it for kinetic slot

[@kurtnordli1381]

If you wanna use a 120 hand cannon in the kinetic slot just use Round Robin with ether Killing Wind or Keep Away and Kill Clip and you will be set Round Robin is a better 120 that is craftable.

[@ryajsmit]

Outlaw precision. IB has been fun playing but hope for good graces on which rollover your on but more solid matches more often

[@Creature-ology]

I wonder if the deterministic recoil is like iggy’s, where 100 is best.

[@TheJavie06]

List of 120's I use igneous and true prophecy done.

[@Olc-ui8fk]

I wish IB weapons competed with Trials

[@skuirrelTV]

Happy 4th of July!

[@chrisborges7344]

It just can't hold a candle to Round Robin for that slot. It just falls way too behind enhanced keep away.

[@diontes1480]

I really like Slideways/Zen moment. Having 70 stability with 70 range does duel pretty well. However, it doesnt hold a candle to an Adept Igneous. A great alternative to those who still uses Duality though!

[@iamwyse1269]

Lol it's looked like all of the players that was against TV were decors lol they were just standing there lol

[@rickiboulter3053]

Can we get some modes that dont have heavy ammo in them. I feel like some people crutch it so much it makes up half there score/kills. I also would like a mode like cod had with a vote system to control meta using sheep.

[@pencilswordfish]

Slideways feels kinda mandatory, just to bump up that Stability. Still looking, but doing fine with Enlightened, Precision Inst. Nothing can top Iggy, but it's still worth having a Precision Inst. 120 on the kinetic slot.

[@jimrox74]

I think it's purpose is to give a descent 120 for those that don't have an igneous or at least a good one. In that role it's probably ok but I have my iggy so no go for me

[@jimmcmeen761]

Anyone remember how busted 120’s were when beyond light released….

[@bannedmann4469]

Yes, I have thousands of PvP kills on my old True Prophecy that I had been holding for years. The rare HC metas were better. Though they did way too many changes at once back then. 110’s didn’t need to change rpms, they just needed that range cap to come off.

[@syd6654]

I want good information from the destiny pvp dad gamer :D

[@OrionDauphin]

Would have been much more useful to tell us how you felt it compared to other **PRIMARY** 120 kinetic hand cannons.

[@soopahcaboose]

Gotcha use igneous still

[@RedLineOneGC]

I wish it was a 140/150...its one of my fav gun models in the game as well as the sound of the shot as well...i WANT it to be as good as an igneous or midnight coup buutt....its jus not there unfortunately

[@rob3497]

I see TRU VANGUARD REVIEW I CLICK!

[@handsomeDRAC]

Slideways, precision instrument is all you need with max range.

[@rob3497]

So hard to find it with max range…. I get a 3 out of 5 and nothing else. It’s rough using a 120 with 60-65 range stat. 😭

[@handsomeDRAC]

@rob3497 my first crimil daggers drop was godroll. 5 out of 5. Just RNG luck blessed. Now I'm farming the godrroll pulse, no luck so far and getting broke.

[@AcshualSnotski]

I'm guessing that the Ace of Spades typically wipes the floor with this. As a noobish player, that hand cannon with a properly matched game is on fire...

[@agentd0t219]

i feel like all 120 HCs should have high range. its so odd when they do this with the stats

[@thepurpdoesthework]

Yeah this review is scary accurate. Its funny u finally said the elephant in the room which is 120’s as a whole aren’t that great iggy just rises above and beyond and makes it more than viable. Thats y when the change to crit body happened with 120’s my first thought was “ok iggy will be fine but big ooff on every other one” there kick and stats r just mid and asking for 3 perfect shots with allll the crazy stuff hitting ur screen is a lot to ask when u have guns like autos that r just ease of use machines. I mean heck I notice at times asking my self “y the f$&@ do I even suffer with iggy?” I could just use rose or an auto and do better” idk it seems like even iggy somtimes isnt fast enough for the current meta imo.

[@Appelschorle]

Bring back steady hand! 3 second video...

[@Kringleb3rry]

Its fun to shoot i like the design and sound but thats about it

[@LilBert420]

Pro tip for any homies who want to use a 120 in the kinetic slot….. sturm. Get the catalyst and it is absolutely bonkers! Feels much better than crimil’s…. Outside of precision instrument!

[@nestorlam3024]

So I wouldn’t have to? My brother in Christ I’m trying to guild my title I HAVE to 😂😂😂

[@ryanclune3883]

I don’t know how or why, but I hit more headshots with this hc than any other hc I’ve ever used, and I have all the godroll hc’s you can think of. To the point where I would exclaim out loud after hitting 7-8 crits in a row going from target to target.

[@arjunbaweja7755]

I just watched coolguys vid. Where air trigger!

[@Dynasty1818]

Great if you don't have a decent precision instrument Igneous, otherwise it's a solid pass.

[@SnowflakesOfDestiny]

👍

[@stillonly25cents67]

“I’m not big on Air Trigger” …what does that even mean? I suggest watching coolguy’s break down of the gun with this perk to see how you can make it work as a column 1 perk (better than Outlaw which you seem perfectly fine with)

[@TrueVanguard]

I know what air trigger does. And no I'm still not big on it. Getting faster reload when I hop is not what I prioritize. I want things that are actively contributing to my duel. A hop reload is not enough to make me want to use my perk slot on it when Slideways will reload some of the mag for me AND give me a plus 20 stability buff on a weapon type that's known for kicking like a mule. Stability also helps with flinch resistance. So no, Coolguy and I politely disagree on this one. I still don't think it's a top shelf perk even if it can surpass Outlaw in terms of reload. Reloading isn't my problem with this weapon anyway.

[@Brian-ch6hg]

TV is the scrubbing bubbles of Destiny. He Iron Banners so you don’t have to!

[@Dorian_Kellum]

Never understood why Bungie decided to make Hakke Hand Cannons and not Machine Guns… Some of the choices for the different foundries are odd.

[@bannedmann4469]

Finally, someone who understands that 120’s aren’t doing great. It’s just Igneous.

[@LilBert420]

Idk if mnk vs roller makes a difference, but i hVe almost 3k kills on my sturm, with catalyst it is absolutely awesome. No P.I., but it has better raw stats!

[@bannedmann4469]

@@LilBert420 He points that out, that’s an exotic. It should be great, it ain’t representative of the archetype.

[@LilBert420]

@@bannedmann4469 didn’t say it represented the archetype. All i said was if you want a kinetic slot 120, sturm is literally nuts. Give it a try :)

[@BrandonLebreton-hr3nl]

Sbmm be like: my team got mercied and everyone on my team had .6 or less while I sat on a 2.6, the enemy team had 3.0-15.0’s…. Yeah I’m ascendant, but I can’t play the game for you guys, I can only steamroll those that are in my way, when the homies rotate bad the whole game 🤷‍♂️ it’s no longer a skill issue, it’s an intelligence issue. Get smart because get gud only gets you so far.

[@doyker]

Or Bungie could match you with players at your level and bad players are spared having to go through games like you described

[@not_hanky_ou]

Crimil's Dagger is pretty amazing, but I say that mostly because I don't have the Igneous Hammer. So Crimil's is better than nothing by far.

[@theprussianmink]

What? You mean it's not a BUSTED Igneous Hammer KILLER that you HAVE to GRIND NOW!?

[@shawlawrenceYT]

Thanks for no click bait “you wont believe this secret roll” etc

[@mattmorrow6915]

At 10 resilience it won't two tap with adigo and actually ups ttk. Just saying

[@SamtheHam418]

But I got 95 range! With moving target and adagio. Come at me bro!

[@thenexus7343]

I swear. I do good, I drop about 20 kills on average but I get teamates that barely get more than 10, I even try to cap. I just keep losing. But still even losing I get engram drops so I'm not THAT upset about it. I just would likecto win, xd

[@NickGrogan]

This game will never not be in a ability spam meta. That's just the game at this point and has been for while. For anyone looking to get away from this, I highly recommend playing XDefiant. The game is extremely fun and the team making the game is extremely competent. XD has a very bright future. The game does not have sbmm. Do I really need to say anything more? There's many reasons that the game is good but the game being free of sbmm is definitely what elevates it to heights that other shooters cannot reach.

[@OtherL]

I think criminals dagger is good for people that cannot get an igneous hammer

[@koopa3952]

Totally in favor of nonoversensationalized bullcrap🖖🏾😁

[@scottparrott5674]

Yeah only good thing is enhanced precision instrument. I hate the feel of the gun.

[@DaReapa]

If you thing 120s got it bad dont even touch a precision frame bow.

[@-Zegop-]

The mm saying it’s trying to not match up players of widely disparate skill is such a lie, played in more mercy matches the past 2 days than I have the last month. Anyways, this version of crimil’s feels weirdly clunky, maybe it’s just how the gun is cus of how square it looks.