RAT KING Got a BUFF in The Final Shape

[@danperkins4781]

As a sidearm fanatic myself who lost many sidearm duels with you back in the sbmm days, thank you for moving this review up! Been eagerly awaiting it lol.

[@Frostblxde]

There's still sbmm in this game.

[@Brian-ch6hg]

TV: I got this headshot. RK: Gurl look at that body.

[@unusualthoughts2658]

The update: you can now see what you shoot. tbh that's my main issue with sidearms, wish they did the same with all others but then we'd be in a sidearm meta all because you can now see what you're shootin' at

[@ninetysicks]

This is exactly how all sidearms should recoil. They did this for Hand Canons in Witch Queen and SMGs much later. Sure, the range buff sidearms received was great; so great that bungie halved this buff; but the recoil and bounce should be addressed. I can’t use any sidearms other than rat king without only seeing my barrel above their head, resulting in me needing to aim at their waist or chest. Please bungie

[@nickgrout2502]

Oddly enough it's an FOV-related problem. At lower (previously console standard) FOVs, the model takes up less of the screen and doesn't block the reticle.

[@xXSHDWXx]

I’m upset you didn’t test this out with 5 other players using rat king

[@TalonRahl]

Fully automatic causes bloom which is why this hits less heads. If you pace your shots with trigger pulls as you mention rather than holding you can hit more heads for sure. I only have like 2k kills in crucible on mine but still I’d definitely say that’s the problem you’re referencing.

[@mdslick1362]

The rat king and the armor that gives you two dodges and the ability that says every time you dodge you reload your weapon. Does great. It helps you to invisible alittle faster..

[@asaltysailor9503]

Back in year one this gun also used to be semi-auto, it never was meant for full auto unless using the pack gimmick. When travelers chosen got turned full auto I dropped it too until it was reverted. Devils ruin ironically stayed goated due to clean sights, built in zen moment, and being extremely reliable tap firing and laser.

[@chrispysonic21]

I like it on close range maps on my invis hunter. But I always choose my Lonesome with RH/KC. Cooks on any map ❤ but thanks for the review homie

[@Xander--gd5lb]

It’s an adaptive sidearm at base. It was semi auto if you didn’t have the perk active until somewhat recently. People thought the RoF change was too jarring. That’s why it deals the exact same numbers as Drang and has the same exact fire rate. It was an adaptive Sidearm with built in full auto. Now with TFS, it’s got the firing animation of a Rapid Fire Frame so you can actually see what you’re shooting at when using it with other people. A consequence of this is better recoil in PvP, but likely stronger bloom.

[@Daemonic6]

For me if you need sidearm with hit head constistency it's be Devil's Ruin and Cryosthesia

[@Kumari_44]

Travellers chosen 👍🏽

[@JP238100]

Traveler’s judgement has always been my go-to, might try this now

[@Kumari_44]

Best sidearm in the game.

[@jaypierce7577]

Just used tonight. Constantly dropping 2.0-4.0kd

[@lumas69]

Could I encourage people to get turned on to a bumper jumper customized setup? On a standard controller you can aim fire chuck grenades jump slide sprint without ever letting go of the thumb sticks. All your other actions are a finger reach away on the face buttons. If you custom map your dpad a little bit which I've not even bothered utilizing yet you can put your pointer on movement duty while accessing several key functions with your thumb. It takes getting used to but once you do you'll hate having it mapped any other way.

[@justagamethrower]

Nah

[@FAUXCUSpd]

getting a controller with back buttons/paddles is much easier and not super expensive. you can find cheap controllers at gamestop with back buttons.

[@lumas69]

@@FAUXCUSpd i will man I'm just a very poor single father I make do a lot. My gaming approach is very duct tape mentality

[@lumas69]

@@FAUXCUSpd i do want a better controller though, I'm about 3 button mappings shy of never breaking contact with thumb sticks for any reason, like 4 little extra back paddles would be incredible and I know they make controllers like that

[@DaReapa]

Glad to see your also working on Mahees, sleeper hand cannon.

[@Ice-ou6es]

Rat king has been my favorite sidearm for a long time, but heliocentric still exists and is still very good.

[@Mech-Gouki]

I don't understand why there isn't a Lightweight Primary slot 1 kinetic sidearm with origin trait yet. I need one with a fun perk's pool.

[@4zureSapphire]

if I can surmise, most lightweight primaries hadn't existed before or were only found on blue weapons. Recently we got The Riposte which is a lightweight AR, an archetype that had not existed before until after Final Shape. Just like Rose, it is special and probably only found in comp.

[@Xander--gd5lb]

@@4zureSapphirethis just doesn’t apply… Rose and Riposte are special in that Autos and HCs didn’t have a legendary with that bonus at the time of their introduction. It’s meant to set them apart. Sidearms have had a lightweight frame (360 RPM) since their introduction. The OP wants a new kinetic slot one since the only gun of that archetype we’ve gotten since which queen has been Heliocentric. Farewell and Spoiler Alert are 2 great lightweight sidearms in the kinetic slot.

[@1chill_623]

Guides for SE 2nd and 3rd encounters coming soon?

[@FAUXCUSpd]

rat king is one of those weapons that’s so good that it’s kind of boring to use because you just roll basically everyone you see

[@deanwalker38]

I noticed a BIG difference in this sidearm in the new season, but couldn't think what? Love using this with my ratpack pvp buds, even though I'm crap 😂😂😂

[@Philusteen]

Ive been loving my old Last Hope with ricochet / rangefinder / tzp trigger / farpoint.

[@philipbrackett443]

Only thing I can think of is that full auto has an accuracy cone penalty, kind of like Forerunner. Tapping the trigger keeps the cone nice and tight for rapid headshots--that's my theory anyway

[@randomguy1706]

No, traveler chosen is the king of sidearms, even MORE so when you get stacks. Even at just like 5 stacks it eclipses most 98% of weapons in the game

[@wrongthink3885]

It came in quite useful in legendary solo campaign.

[@ghosthouse6672]

Been running it with sniper and Omni.. I feen the cheddar

[@gutpunchYT]

pc player here- its zero to 100 on MnK. my pc group have all decided its the very first sidearm that is perfect on MnK. i am a meager 1.0 player and i can extremely regularly hit 4 heads, and i never did that one single time on any sidearm before the rat king recoil change.

[@tarnue4449]

TV idk how often you go back to your guerilla warfare stasis hunter but i would love to see your take on that build with the prismatic kit, i’ve been really enjoying it a lot!

[@Sliq_tv]

I like Rat King because of its powerful exotic perks. I think if it was a good dueler it would be way too good. Invis and health regen is a bonkers strong combo and has a lot of class and exotic armor synergy.

[@freakinsweetdude]

It looks like it shares the same recoil animation of cryo now.

[@rhyshuber9981]

Just watching the gameplay it looks like it has more recoil now. I never had a problem 4 tapping people but I haven’t used it this update

[@FootBeard]

I'll try it out but having to put down Forerunner is gonna hurt

[@lumas69]

It's crazy how much time .07 seconds is in crucible and yet people still call Destiny slow

[@skuirrelTV]

I have the gun, but need the catalyst. I hope Xur sells the catalyst soon!

[@MrCODYROB55]

This guns stats look bad compared to travelers but I've been messing people up with the king. It's amazing

[@madddogg145]

I love it! Bought the helmet too

[@ZlPPENHAFT]

thanks now i know why i hate this sidearm and i love sidearms. thats sad that bungie penalize us for holding the trigger...

[@oinkwoof8378]

Great breakdown. I love Rat King, but maybe is the right answer on this buff.

[@hippob0tamus713]

Critical Anomaly review coming soon?

[@Sudden-Death]

It’s a laser now almost zero recoil, but I can’t get j to it still somehow

[@SuperRaids13]

Alright rat king is unironically overpowered.

[@SydneyPayne87]

Oh wow you claw very differently lol I claw where my pointer finger is jumping and dodging and reloading, not on the sticks. I’ll have to try your way out.

[@nicholasgrogan856]

2 things need to be said here. 1. We didnt get better. Bungie allowed to triple stack enhanced targeting mods and that is the "skill" difference. You used to at MAX have 1 enhanced targeting mod and more likely you had a single normal targeting mod. 2. You can still just body spam ppl with sidearms for easy kills.

[@xironheadx-4590]

Awww but i liked the old recoil pattern. It was fun

[@melvinnavarro5671]

Hey there TV. We have never met but I just wanted to say that I appreciate your videos, insight, and whole vibe. I wanted to push you to keep pressing on as I have been a long time fan. I also heard in one of your recent videos that you have a degree in biblical languages which I wouldn’t mind picking your brain about someday if I ever get the chance. I hope that you and your family are doing well and I pray blessings be with your channel and content. Thanks for all you do.

[@renegadezero0]

I'll stick with my buzzard and allied demand. They just hit crits better. Plus swash makes it a 3 crit terror

[@shoop52]

When did you come back to Destiny?

[@wolf07913]

I can’t get the cat to drop. Waiting on Xur

[@Fei2222]

I’m coming up on 20k PvP kills with rat king. I think it’s worth using.

[@ZlPPENHAFT]

Traveler's chosen is way more consistent, it's day and night.

[@mellebo4112]

Do you know any pvp focused clans I can join??

[@HAVARMS]

⁠@@ZlPPENHAFTyes but the rat king heals you and makes you invisible. Can’t tell you how many 2v1s I’ve clutched in trials thanks to that. Traveler’s Chosen wins you duels. Rat King wins you matches

[@ZlPPENHAFT]

@@HAVARMS well traveler's choosen gives abilities by alot. i dont really enjoy invis since radar nerf.

[@qadirfareed9905]

You probably don’t remember me, but I remember every match up we’ve had because your name is famous. I’ve slaughtered you using the Rat king. Idk you saying it’s a B- at its best is not sitting well with me. I’ve used it far before any buffs (even before the gyrfalcon combo that spread like wild fire) you are right about who uses it but a B- to me means you couldn’t pull out its best potential. Btw combining it with GJ *chefs kiss* much better combo.

[@SubmarineElk6]

In all honesty I prefer the old shooting animation for the rat king but the new one is alright

[@Existing_Echo]

Drang > Rat king

[@martindesgagnes6368]

Destiny gunfights don’t happen in a vacuum. With all that Prismatic space-magic going on, Rat King is just too good to pass up for me!

[@wezzy9437]

I wish they'd do this to Sunshot because it's recoil is ridiculous.

[@FAUXCUSpd]

ong bruh

[@LuniNightwind]

Was hard to hit head shots with Rat King?

[@asrielhirai7031]

I was thinking of using sidearms in pvp and then I checked my subscribed page what the fuck

[@vindeta360]

I have hated rat king since the very first time I tried it. After the buff I tried again. Still hate it. Your dead on about it being allergic to head shots.. its so painful

[@Kumari_44]

The guns amaaaazing :)

[@nrvous_250gt]

Skill issue

[@naiveveg8447]

its new recoil bugs me. not cuz its not better just that i was much much more used to its old recoil animations.

[@thchildishalbino2819]

just played a trials match with you, at least i hope it was the real tv

[@TrueVanguard]

yup. ggs!

[@thchildishalbino2819]

ayee, ggs!

[@michaeljaca7831]

I can't F'n unlock the damn catalyst because I need to use it with people who use it! damn stupid

[@Kumari_44]

At least you have it. It will never ever drop for me in strikes. Ever. I hope xur sells it this week.

[@akuchi_bleh]

You can get and complete it alone though, just takes longer

[@candi_appel]

i just wish Sidearms felt as comfortable to use on Mnk as they did on roller :(

[@FootBeard]

There are some that do. I highly recommend trying High Albedo with headseeker, lonesome with zen moment, or any other burst that has tap the trigger

[@TestingTesting1]

If they make D3, here’s hoping they keep invis out of PvP

[@lotr98765]

Thanks

[@curtisnielsen1399]

I guess this is why I saw a 3 stack using this in comp this weekend. We had a 3 stack, but one member d/c. The 3 stack annihilated the two of us with those...

[@AkiAndFam]

Should you use it? Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeah 😂

[@AkiAndFam]

Jokes aside, glad to see the rat king lives on best as a group used weapon - stacking weapons like this or malfeasance makes for fun silliness in crucible to break up the regular meta!

[@LimySilver2]

I used it after watching dfp ise it in a video but i still didnt like it

[@MrMalvurious]

so you're holding the controller a little bit like a rat wound?

[@lucasblanchard47]

What?

[@anobodyonyoutubesaid]

Here’s a tip you don’t need rat king to go invisible. Just play anything and there you go

[@ryangraham3076]

👑🐀

[@GingerBeardMan977]

i still need to have people do the catalyst for me. why does it require other people to use it to get it. EDIT: apparently you can just get kills with it now

[@Twinfalcon31]

It's doesn't anymore....thank me later

[@GingerBeardMan977]

@@Twinfalcon31 only fireteam members will advance the objective

[@Twinfalcon31]

@GingerBeardMan977 try again cause I just completed solo. Equip it, shoot stuff and voilà It's faster with fireteam but not necessary anymore.......thank me later😉

[@GingerBeardMan977]

@@Twinfalcon31 I'm stupid and never noticed that's on me

[@Spartan0417]

I miss the old recoil animation. I could consistently get headshots with it but I can’t with this new one. I wish they’d put it back

[@BigZaddyYumYum]

Its a small cancerous tumor in pvp and i love it

[@jbazley001]

I stopped playing three years ago, and the rat king was a beast then. You're late TV.

[@DrMetalpin]

The difference is that now you can just use it effectively solo without the rest of the team having to also use it.

[@The_Ragequit_Cannon]

Personally I like to pair Rat King with Graviton Forfeit. Match made in heaven if you ask me

[@zun-viik]

6:32 You hold the controller like a sped kid's first game. No, it's not easier to hit shots when "your pointer finger in on the THUMBSTICKS" Maybe just hold your controller firmly? How hard are you TAPPING your fuckin trigger, TAP!? You've literally not given an example of why this is better just fucked up and worse. The "best" way is pointer on R/L1, middle on R/L2, THUMBS ON THUMB STICKS (that's the important one) "Yah I play M+K w my feet, it's just way better for aiming. Gives me more leverage"

[@donovan9316]

When you claw - where’s your thumb? Middle finger on trigger, and pointer on sticks? Your clawing sounds bonkers 😂

[@TrueVanguard]

I lost my right thumb in a horrific foreplay incident. I kid. I totally brainfarted and misspoke on that section. Thumb on stick, pointer on reload/jump/crouch/swap, middle finger on the trigger.

[@lukatosic09]

Skill issue TV

[@0ptimismPrime]

clicked off the video as soon as being a controller player was mentioned

[@TrueVanguard]

i literally don't care lol

[@warriorgoat5939]

Stayed because it mentioned playing on a controller.