Just how WOKE is The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim? | Mild SPOILER Review!

[@Timasion]

The hero of the War of Rohirrim is Fréaláf Hildeson, the nephew of Helm Hammerhand. He wasn't expected to inherit because Helm had two sons, Haleth and Hama. Unfortunately, Haleth was killed defending Edoras and Hama was lost searching for supplies during the Long Winter. Helm himself went a bit mad and went out into the winter slaughtering Dunlendings until he froze to death. Fréaláf Hildeson was able to rally the rest of the Rohirrim, lead an attack to retake Edoras, kill Wulf, and drive the Dunlendings from Rohan. He's the hero of the story, not some unnamed daughter.

[@davidcoleman757]

Yep. That's it on the nose.

[@theycallmethedude.]

Nice summarization! Couldn’t have told the story better myself! 😊

[@cuccooverlord9812]

Well at least they nailed Helm's death.

[@Skyblade12]

@@cuccooverlord9812No, they didn’t. In the books he would blow the horn, go out killing armies single-handedly during the night, until one day he doesn’t return and they find him frozen, still ready for battle, and believe his spirit forever roams Rohan.

[@MattyPan118]

And that's what the movie does at the end. Lmfaooo

[@Mr.Edd3905]

Review starts at 8:00

[@verazollinger6862]

Oh wow, you are right!

[@MillywiggZ]

TY Their intros, boring personal accounts about their history with the property, ad read (s) and etc. Is a pain in the hole. And they never listen to feedback either.

[@booster330]

Worth remembering Andre thought there was no woketardry in gladiator 2

[@RichardPhillips1066]

He's a massive shill but he's content is good so tolerate it

[@Kiyoone]

Thanks.

[@animesjogoseseriesclassica8282]

In other times the idea of a animated Lord Of The Rings would give me so much joy.

[@Halbared]

Well we do have three others.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

​@@Halbared2.5

[@garypvamos2508]

@@sardonicspartan9343 nah it's three

[@joshuacalkins]

These are not those times.

[@animesjogoseseriesclassica8282]

@joshuacalkins Yeah ... 😐

[@eltiket]

So, the movie treats Helm as a secondary character in his own story, to make room for a character who should under no circumstances be the main protagonist. Hard pass.

[@Trencher1375]

correct.

[@gnothiseauton626]

Helm literally fucking dies before the story ends. Riddle me how a character who dies before the war is won makes a good protagonist for a movie about the war. Both his sons also die before the war has ended. The one other male character that would have made sense to make the main character would have been Fréaláf, the king's nephew. But they obviously wanted to have a main character closer to Helm, and the only surviving child of Helm makes sense. The way that Fréaláf was sent away from Edoras by Helm for questioning him was a bit of an on the nose reference to Eomer (who was also not banished in the book, mind you), and I agree he should have had more of an active role in the film, but its nothing like what you think.

[@matejmatuska6700]

I think that hero was good way to make the story not end with helms demise since if he was main character he will be same as if SPOILER FOR HARRY POTTER 7-8 harry potter 7-8 were written from pov of snape since he also dies almost at the end of the series or dumbledore would mean not even getting the end of the story

[@cameronjames3499]

It seems to me like Andre is saying that there aren't any specific reasons why you shouldn't see it; but he hasn't provided any compelling why anyone Should go see it.

[@JoePizzeria007]

So it's a 50/50 for most people. I'll watch it as a fan of Peter Jackson 6 movies

[@jeezed2950]

It being actually somewhat anti woke seems to be one of his arguments. That was all I needed for a quiet place. And I wasn't disappointed there.

[@paulsoldner9500]

race swapping Fréaláf and giving all his deeds to fake girlboss Hera, killing off her brothers right at the beginning, Hera defeats enemies that Helm can't, and Hera speaking to eagles and using them as her courier service are all great reasons NOT to see it.

[@kvltovpersonality6290]

I think this and Gary’s comments establishes how ppl will react to this movie: if you’re just a fan of the movies, you’ll enjoy it, and it isn’t terribly woke. If you’re a fan of the books and were excited about the appendices being adapted, this is nothing more than animated fanfiction

[@ClaymoreLinx]

Book purist will never be happy. Army of the dead was bad, but I wouldn't put the trilogy into fanfiction levels. Gary is so stuck on Hera being in the movie at all that I think he cannot see passed it.

[@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw]

@@ClaymoreLinx Gary has looked past female action heroes not being girlbosses and movies that were advertised as w 0k e not being w 0k e at all just fine. He became a HUGE fan of House of the Dragon after all. What Gary however does, and most don't, is differentiate between w 0k e messaging, and feminist messaging. Which are not always the same. A show or movie can be non-w 0k e, but still intersectional feminist as f***.

[@stevenstehling]

@@ClaymoreLinx BS! I am a book fan. We understand that the massive amount of material in the book can't be straight adapted into a movie due to time constraints. Even if they made a prestige television show that exactly followed the book, the general audience won't sit through all of that and the project wouldn't be profitable. The material must be adapted for the screen for many reasons. What we want is the material adapted, not made-up characters or characters so changed that it's merely a name from the book slapped on a repurposed script that was rejected by CW. Gary is absolutely correct. The mere fact that the daughter is ever a focus in a story about Helm demonstrates a lack of good faith to adapt what Tolkien wrote.

[@KathrynTestBot]

There is such a thing as good fanfiction. It's just very hard to find these days. The entire Star Wars EU was pretty much fanfiction (of which there was good and bad) and there is over a century of printed Wizard of Oz fanfic. If you know how to filter all the crap out, you can find some amazing stories set in universes you love that respect the source material and give you an eternity of extra content. Where fanfiction gets annoying is when people take Canon and skew it enormously, until it no longer resembles the source material in any way. Whether twisting characters to validate a "ship", or the ever-irritating "it's the same story but they're all in a modern college", fanfic used to bend an existing series to one's personal will is where things go "bad". This story expands on existing material, and the woman sounds like she is portrayed somewhat tragically. I'm intrigued.

[@Trencher1375]

No its woke. They are just a little more sneaky about it. Its still all about Hera.

[@maxmercer1931]

But why didn't they just do a movie focused on Helm Hammerhand?

[@funkydiscogod]

that's what the audience would have wanted. it isn't made for you.

[@accidentcellar6307]

It's made for the mOdeRN AuDiENcE.

[@commentingisdangerous7530]

because then they couldn't push a marxist feminist message...

[@datyeen]

It literally *is* you goofball. Hammerhand is a huge part of this movie. It's just told through the point of view of Hera. It's still the same story.

[@Imanmagnet00]

It is that. Hera is the main character but Hammerhand, his line and the legend that comes is the focus. Give it a chance and if you do I'd hope you like it.

[@elmerosorto1680]

Man, Frealaf was reduced to a dumb guy that doesn't earn the throne. He kills Wulf making him the king in the original story.

[@gnothiseauton626]

Doesn't earn the throne? He literally saves Rohan at Helm's Deep.

[@jackbuchanan2075]

​@gnothiseauton626 At the end he literally apologised to Hera and says she deserves the crown more

[@gnothiseauton626]

@@jackbuchanan2075 Yeah, it was a dumb throwaway line, it doesn’t torch the entire lore.

[@paulsoldner9500]

@@gnothiseauton626 Hera kills Wulf instead. Stop gaslighting

[@gnothiseauton626]

@@paulsoldner9500 Héra kills Wulf, yes, because in this adaptation they have a personal history. Without Fréaláf, the Rohirrim would still have been slaughtered. He isn’t robbed of a great moment.

[@juusovuolle8251]

The Hero of the film should have been Helms nephew, Fréaláf Hildeson, who defeated the Dunlendings and succeeded Helm as King of Rohan. but nah the girl boss had to get the killing blow and the actual heroes of the tale get sidelined.

[@krinwashu]

Facts.

[@Dilbub]

lol stay mad you troll

[@Exlee-dq9uo]

Sorry but the fact that they focused on this unnamed daughter when she had no significance is lame enough imo. Not interested!

[@jonnyshanon2103]

Welcome to movies and video games now .

[@Trencher1375]

Its a red flag for sure!

[@pavelslama5543]

I´d certainly take her as a role-playing game character. But to rewrite the lore for the sake of inconsequential character? Yeah, count me out.

[@Avtomatik]

And gave her the most untolkien name they could brainstorm. Greek goddess, really?!

[@karinefonte516]

She has a function in the story - her marriage causing the feud - but she could be a loyal daughter AND a fierce warrior on a secondary plot. There are ways to do things narrative wise without being preachy or contrived.

[@Ranben.]

I have to correct you Andre - if the rights WB had reverted, they wouldn't go back to the Tolkien Estate, as the Saul Zaentz company owned the rights and they leased them to New Line Cinema (later Warner Bros.). Now that the Embracer group bought the rights from the Saul Zaentz company, if the film contracts WB has expire, Embracer then gets full control. Of course, Amazon have been making noises about buying the Embracer group so that could be a future danger for the IP. And we do not know the full details of the Amazon contract - early reports of that mentioned "five seasons and a possible spinoff" but there is no clear detail about if those rights are held by Amazon in perpetuity. Be watchful and wary, Tolkien fans...

[@All_Good_Things]

Amazon buying the embracer group and owning all the rights 😱 god help us all. Hopefully that day never comes

[@eazygamer8974]

This character wasn't even named in tolkiens canon. So i would consider her having a major role in the story a change to canon! This is fan fic! You said she played such a minuscule part in the over all story she was left out of the history. So basically this whole movie is a waste of time....

[@frankie3010]

Bro shut the hell up.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Genuine question. Does she have a major role in a side story...or in the main story?

[@TomAvital]

It's not. The only truly significant things she did are helping evacuate the city and calling for help.

[@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw]

It is NOT fanfic. It is not fanfic if it is not made with love or reverence for the IP. Then it becomes corporate fiction, or even corporate hate fiction. You all were gushing over the Captain Kirk movie recently, AND THAT WAS ACTUAL FANFIC! Stop insulting fans by comparing their work to what Hollyw0ke makes.

[@craigbrowning6788]

@@sardonicspartan9343she doesn’t even have a name in the books

[@NotYetTitle]

It is woke. And they marketed it as such because that agenda is a stark underlying message. They project modern cultural ideas into a different era. The very fact that Hera is a stand-in for rejecting traditional womanhood, wifehood and motherhood to chase her 'independence' dream is feminist. Eowyn is different, and in no way projects the image of 'the modern woman.' She lost her father young, watched her mother die of grief, lost her cousin, watched her king, uncle and father-figure who was raising her manipulated to serve the enemy, watched her brother banished, and her kingdom fail. All circumstances beyond her control and all because of war. She went to battle because she thought her family, house and race were all likely going to die, and could not sit still while it happened when she would meet the same fate as a prisoner. She went to war but maintained her femininity, even showing an incredible maternal nature in taking care of Merry. After the war, she married Faramir, who shared her values and they had a son. Eowyn, like Galadriel and Arwen, exemplifies femininity without a single modern agenda. Hera? Well, the 'Middle-earth Cinematic Universe' wiki sums up for her personality: "Héra is very daring and carefree and is fully aware that due to her lineage, kings will try and plan her life for her through arranged marriage. However she knows what she wants for her own life." She may not be a mary sue, but she is feminist and woke at core.

[@captainhurricane5705]

Well said, mate. When I first read LotR, back in 1980, I had no idea who Dernhelm was. The idea that this mysterious rider might be a woman never crossed my mind, not once. I was as surprised as the Witch King when it turned out that Dernhelm was Eowyn. If LotR was filmed nowadys, half the Rohirrim at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields would be women!

[@bjrnthebootybandit]

What does woke mean?

[@NotYetTitle]

@@captainhurricane5705 Indeed! And it fit just fine with her character. Peter Jackson's alterations too were fine, with Eowyn and Merry's dynamic. So glad LOTR was filmed when it was. I bet if it were now, there'd be at least one woman in the fellowship, and who knows, they might even have gender-swapped characters!

[@wargames2195]

The only difference between Hera and Eowyn is that Eowyin marries but not Hera, but who knows, maybe Hera will marry post-story.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Question: When, exactly, did feminism, which dates back to the 1790s, become bad? I'm trying to figure that out myself.

[@darktenor4967]

this one sounds like the wheel of time series. Yeah, the men are allowed to hit other men occasionally, you know to keep all those toxic male fans happy, but the real story is all about the women, who are oh so braver and stronger and more misunderstood than the men! This should've been the story of Helm Hammerhand and his awesome nephew Fréaláf! The one who actually took back Rohan. If you want to show "strong women", show them supporting their husbands, surviving in a baron winter with no food, scavenging for supplies and generally holding things together while the men are out fighting. heck, throw a token shield maiden in there if you really must, but that was still not what the majority of the Rohirim women did. That's why Théoden set his daughter to rule his people in exile, not because she was a warrior. I am so dam sick of the "Strong female warrior, don't need no man story", also waaaay surprised Midnights edge counts this as a win, when the film clearly intends it's audience, just like in Disney's crappy Peter Pan remake, to feel sorry for this forgotten girlboss hero. It's time to bring back likable, kind female characters, and yes even damsels in distress! Provided of course the damsels are likable enough for anyone to want to rescue them!

[@S4ltyTar0]

There is literally one token shieldmaiden in the story. Hera is literally kidnapped and becomes a damsel in distress who needs to be rescued. She is almost killed in a barn by one man and is saved by her horse. She is almost killed by 2 orcs and a troll and has to be rescued by her father. And the only reason she fights at all in the movie is because the main antagonist wants to end the line of Helm and she goes out to taunt him so that the people can escape the fortress while she distracts him. That's it, there's literally two women who fight in the whole movie meanwhile the men are climbing onto oliphants killing all their riders singlehandedly and bashing the oliphant's skull in with an axe, or going toe to toe with a troll unarmed.

[@LordFoxxyFoxington]

Regardless of Woke the movie is nothing more than non canon fanfiction, I do NOT want movie companies making up new stories as that sets a dangerous precedent where they can just do whatever they like.

[@andrerobinson5831]

They already do whatever they like.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Well, its an adaptation. I'm a Tolkien purist but when the source material is like a page, you have to create a story. Only Tolkien's work is canon of course.

[@peterfrost377]

I still don't fully get the word woke though. Maybe I grew up with too much stuff from the east. Alot of animes, mangas, Cdramas, Kdramas & Jdramas. Definitely checking this one.

[@Exlee-dq9uo]

​@@Hero_Of_Old Then you don't adapt something that's a page long! Knowing that no one can compare to Tolkien you respect him enough to leave it alone! This is reason enough to reject it!

[@RichardPhillips1066]

​@@peterfrost377you wont get it unless you make an effort to understand, it's counter intuitive , and requires an understanding of progressive politics and the corruption of liberalism ... aka study neo Marxism..tbh don't bother, it makes a lot things unwatchable , once you realise you're being propagandaised and content is subversive , it's killed most modern American content for me , just don't give people like me hassle who do understand hassle, I'm fine with you , you do you , enjoy the blue pill , it's maybe the best option, not being sarcastic

[@Exlee-dq9uo]

Dude it's NOT based and pro-family if the main woman of the story rejects getting married and having kids. I don't care if they say that's why she was forgotten.

[@UToobUsername01]

I think by 1990's standards it's pro family. What has happened is over time the left got way more radical. The girl boss of the past are toned down enough to be believable. But today's ones? Full blown toxic masculinity today. They are males disguised as females. Do I have to remind you of Rey Skywalker basically being god-like character with no flaws and casually beating everyone with no light saber training? It's extreme crap like this which destroys our suspension of disbelief. This is what we mean by woke. They clearly want men to be weak and make the female ultra strong to ram the point down our throats that 'women are superior at masculinity than men are'. And kids watch it thinking they are superheroes when they get into fights at school and learn the lesson the hard way that men are actually way stronger than them. (setting women up for a big lie that shatters their trust) Woke people do not live in reality. They believe truth is relative. RJ from "The Fourth Age" youtube channel explains it. Basically they think that everything is a social construct. That's what their cult believes and it is how they structure their life: truth is not absolute. There is your truth and my truth and they think truth can basically be anything you want. Don't ask me why this belief was accepted. They fully want to be deluded and it's a mental illness as far as I am concerned.

[@scottwalker6947]

And, you missed the point being presented.

[@jonahhumfleet472]

Is that not then showing the consequences of not having a family? seems like putting existential dread behind not having a family would be a convincing argument to start one. Knowing that you won’t be remembered if you don’t continue your blood line is pretty motivating

[@bulldogsbob]

Not ever woman should be a mother.

[@jesserochon3103]

A woman can want to not get married and it not be woke. However if the movie messaging glorifies this decision, that’s what makes it woke. It sounds like the messaging in the movie actually condemns her decision by pointing out that her adventures and legacy died when she did… because she never wed. How tf is that woke. That’s actually quite based.

[@ericrodensky9806]

This is just me, I went into the theater with low expectations but somehow I came out with a big smile on my face. Like you, my knowledge of Lord of the Rings only extends to what I saw in the Peter Jackson movies.

[@Theendisnear_ok]

😂😂😂

[@Legerine]

i always just proceed with the notion that EVERYTHING is Woke Garbage, and get impressed if it is not...

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Better to wait on the consensus from trusted sources before wasting time watching it.

[@BiggusD77]

I have a three strikes policy. Race and other swapping is one (even if more than one character is swapped). White male bashing (or male bashing in any form) is another, and there are many such types of wokeifying stories that are getting them strikes. Usually, these things are showcased in the pilot of a series or the first few minutes of a film. After the three strikes, I immediately quit watching, no mercy. There have been cases of a whole series having just two strikes in the first few minutes, and then never seen again. They want their cheap loans.

[@JoeBoxerNo1]

thats where i am at as well ... for the past 3-4 years actually

[@Dilbub]

I don’t believe you for a second. You have your biases and prejudices that dictate your life’s perception.

[@Shawouin]

SNOWFLAKE ALERT!! LOL You are so woke, you call out every single thing you view as injustice!! What a model you are!! hahaha

[@wakaneut]

The fact that there are so many characters from many LOTR books that they can choose to tell a story, they deliberately chose an unnamed daughter with zero writings. It just shows they just want the freedom to tell their own story using LOTR universe as the stepping stone, not Tolkien's story. Whether woke or not, It's just a definition of a fanfic.

[@jrd33]

"It just shows they just want the freedom to tell their own story using LOTR universe" -- and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, provided they can tell an entertaining story and it doesn't contradict canon. Plenty of war films are made which feature just a normal bunch of soldiers rather than concentrating on the generals and leaders, for example.

[@bjoardar]

It's all about IP (intellectual property). They want to claim ownership about something that doesn't fall completely under the LOTR umbrella so that they can profit monetarily from it. Lore be damned.

[@juan0808]

probably it has to do with the rights of the movie. If the movie is just a rights retainer that explains a lot. Why it is in theaters and why it is animated. By making her an original animated character Warner makes sure they retain 100% ownership over the character. That is probably why they made her a beautiful red head, so they can get some money back with merchandise.

[@Goldschlager]

It’s no different than the Star Wars extended universe that fans call canon. All of those books just made up new characters in the Star Wars universe and created stories about them, George Lucas had nothing to do with it. That ‘canon’ is nothing more than fan friction.

[@Levis_Manifesto]

@@jrd33 There's everything wrong with that. There's so many stories from Professor's works that people would actually want to see on the big screen but instead we are getting corpo-fiction that is skewed by modern sensibilities and ideologies. I could even agree with you if they ran out of Tolkien to adapt and just tried to tell a story that would fit in-universe. But they didn't. Lord of the Rings and Hobbit (with all its faults) trilogies barely scratched the surface.

[@Handofchalk090]

Woke or not, they decided to reinterpret Tolkien for themselves not the fans. The star was meant to be a masculine man; instead they dish out an unwanted female character pretending to be one.

[@BusesAreFatCars]

Changing a story to focus on a woman for the sake of diversity/intersectionality is peak woke. I don't know what he thinks he's talking about here.

[@thisismyname3928]

@@BusesAreFatCars 🎯

[@wrongthinker843]

"they decided to reinterpret Tolkien for themselves" That's woke

[@kauetadaieski3131]

It is woke. 1. Shield-maiden (they even have a banner in the movie lol) never happened in the history of the Rohirrim. 2. She is the fastest rider of the Rohirrim lol 3. She, without armor, beat one of the best Dunlending's warrior in his prime. 4. The only one brave enough to talk to the huge eagles. 5. Her OLD servant/shield-maiden beats multiple mercenaries in battle. 6. The good old "woman that will never marry" because she is opressed by male standards. 7. Hera made all the battle plans in Hornburg and kept the morale up of the noble and the other leaders, they wanted to surrender lol 8. Her cousin telling her that she should lead the Rohirrim and not him. The list goes on. The movie is woke as f, the main character is the girl with an helenic name in a supposed germanic culture...

[@Shawouin]

@@wrongthinker843 Calling out perceived injustice IS WOKE. You are more woke than anyone I ever encountered!! So woke!

[@steele8280]

No girl boss movie? Well they shouldn’t have sold it as one. This will be a skip for me. The studios have to learn their lesson sooner or later.

[@verigumetin4291]

They have a woman as the main character, idiot. They marketed as such. Not everything is with men at the center. This is the story about an unknown woman in the history of Rohan. What the hell don't you understand about that? Is your mind so cooked with only rage that you can't see right from wrong anymore, and anything with a woman in it becomes woke trash? God, you are pathetic.

[@originalgreatdouchebag2866]

*mary sur*

[@offtheshelfET]

You've made up your mind and you don't care about the facts. Astounding. Truly astounding amount of delusion.

[@zigazdovc6175]

Delusional re tard spotted!

[@steele8280]

@@offtheshelfET The facts are that the movie was marketed as a girl-boss movie. ME says it isn’t. Others say it is. I’m going by the fact of its marketing and won’t risk my money. You seem to think it’s delusional… lol, keep on coping.

[@Joemantler]

No, I'm not planning on seeing it in the theaters. There was a great story they could have told here, and they flubbed it. My head canon, where the daughter steps up to keep the Rohirrim intact while Helm stalks out in the snow storm to kill Dunlendings *bare-handed* will always be my version of the story.

[@krinwashu]

That actually does happen in this film. But in a sane world, the protagonist would have been either Fréaláf or Helm.

[@Joemantler]

@@krinwashu Mostly agreed. But I can see where they could have shoe horned her in by giving her that role. Imagine being one of Helm's people, trapped in this fortress, while your King descends into madness. Each day, stalking out to kill and kill and kill with his bare hands! Each day, half fearing he'll die, half fearing his fury wont stop once he's among his own people again. Not knowing what the future will bring. And his daughter stepping up to help more and more. Not as a military or even civilian leader! But as a ray of hope for the future of Rohan! A paragon of feminine Virtues!

[@Imanmagnet00]

Maybe if you saw the movie you'd see that's how the movie plays out

[@Trencher1375]

@@Imanmagnet00 Stop trying to sell people on this chick fighter slock.

[@Imanmagnet00]

@@Trencher1375 That's not all the movie is though. It's about the heroism of the entire people of Rohan, Hammerhand, his sons, his family and his bannermen.

[@kpsk8031]

"Rights Retainer: Stuff from Middleworld" would have been an appropriate title for this movie.

[@jonathanpointer9578]

I love Midnights edge and your takes but it took 8 minutes to begin reviewing the movie!

[@michellestr8998]

I think he just doesnt know enough about Lord of the Rings to see how jarring this new version of shield maidens whom we never saw before. There were no shieldmaidens fighting in the war of the rings. And the old woman that Hera gets together with is just gross.

[@Joemantler]

Saying 'it's better than the Hobbit, but not as good as LOTR' is a pretty wide spectrum. Sounds like you're saying it was OK, not great, which was much better than you expected.

[@TomAvital]

It's good. Nothing more.

[@michellestr8998]

It sucks. Its woke. Period.

[@mikesemenko4944]

Nothing is better than the Lotr and the Hobbit. Should have said it's better the rings of power😊

[@Joemantler]

@@mikesemenko4944 Nothing is better than _The Hobbit?_

[@krinwashu]

Very subjective but I'll try: if Jackson's LOTR is a 10, The Hobbit is a 5 and RoP is a 2, then WotR might be a 7.

[@USALibertarian]

So they are incentivized to produce tripe once every decade. Well isn't that wonderful for fans and consumers...

[@real-j-anderson]

Failing to ever answer the question posed by the title of the video earned a downvote. I skipped through 2 commercials, got almost 8 minutes in, and still… no answer.

[@SurnaturalM]

9:03 There's no such thing as "toxic masculinity"

[@offtheshelfET]

Um, ok...? That's a bizarre take to have. Anything can be toxic if taken to the extreme after all. It doesn't mean that masculinity in and of itself is bad.

[@lucasholguin6109]

Ok snowflake

[@akatsukicloak]

@@offtheshelfET There is already a word for that called macho. Toxic masculinity is a term used by radical progressives to deconstruct sex in all its forms in every aspect of culture, it's why you see effeminate men and masculine women being pushed in movies and games for example.

[@wrongthinker843]

@@offtheshelfET You don't like "toxic masculinity"? Okay, leave the society and all its comforts built by "toxic masculinity".

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

​@@offtheshelfETno a person is toxic not the concept

[@TT79-]

As a design artist, when they announced an animated LOTR film for adults, I immediately thought about a new style that would blow us away. Instead we got 2d NA anime style. Whoever greenlit this should be fired for life.

[@krinwashu]

Tolkien and Jackson fan here, I have seen it. It is absolutely woke, although the woke is thankfully limited exclusively to the girlboss/feminist overtones, which makes it watchable IMHO. Very competently made by people who clearly are very familiar with the lore and tried to honor the Jackson trilogy as best they could. It's a shame these people are evidently constrained by DEI mandates to have to contort an excellent, existing story around a made-up girlboss. Let me put it this way: if girlbossing was sugar, this film might give you diabetes. I don't know what film Andre saw. The film I saw had characters constantly praising this chick as the bestest ever, the fastest, the one who should rule, etc. She is an expert at rock climbing, she befriends an eagle, she defeats oliphaunts. She, not Helm, leads her people to safety. She, not Fréaláf, single-handedly defeats Wulf in combat. She personally saves the day in a way that was clearly meant to echo what Gandalf did with Erkenbrand/Éomer in The Two Towers. Absolutely ridiculous. If you think you can stomach the radioactive levels of girlbossing, then by all means, go ahead. I did enjoy some parts. It could absolutely be worse, much worse. But if you can wait, I'm guessing a good fanedit that gets rid of 90% of Hera's scenes will make for an excellent 20 minute long adaptation of actual Tolkien lore. P.S. I found the battle scenes very disappointing, it's like they were too lazy to animate epic battles correctly.

[@pauldang7014]

Seems the leaks I saw on a private Tolkien chat group are very true! Passing on this nonsense that passes off as Tolkien's work!

[@akatsukicloak]

Appreciate for the straightforward frank opinion. Honesty is in short supply these days.

[@wrongthinker843]

Not sure how butchering the lore is supposed to honor anything.

[@krinwashu]

@@wrongthinker843 I said honor the Jackson trilogy, which also butchered the lore at times but is still extremely enjoyable.

[@ukmediawarrior]

The fact they focused in on such a miniscule female character in Tolkien's appendices that he didn't bother to give her a name and then made a movie about her screams Woke. How the hell can Andre not see that?!

[@isafuentes3949]

Because he saw the movie and you didn't

[@ukmediawarrior]

@@isafuentes3949 It's got nothing to do with seeing the movie or not. They deliberately chose to make a movie about a character so small and insignificant she had no name in the books. What other reason is there for doing that other than Woke agenda?

[@Mirthful_Midori]

​@isafuentes3949 So you're saying he's coping over having spent money on a ticket and time wasted watching the movie, instead of acknowledging reality? I like the way you think.

[@accidentcellar6307]

@@isafuentes3949 Nerdrotic saw the movie and he says its woke AF.

[@calypso]

He said he hasn't read the books, so no way for him to know that

[@KornFlace]

Wake me up when they write a strong female lead that actually wants a husband and kids

[@TheVintress]

nothing is strong about being into men and wanting a husband lmao, being attracted to men is disgusting bro

[@_BenJaminCroft_]

In Tolkien's texts, Helm Hammerhand's daughter is barely even mentioned. She's not even named, and there are no actions or events of significance to where she is included. She is THAT inconsequential to the actual story, Tolkien didn't even bother to name her. *_"...and he asked the hand of Helm's daughter for his son Wulf."_* That's it! That is literally what Tolkien wrote about Helm's daughter. No more, no less. But let's focus on and follow around this insignificant and inconsequential character and have HER play some kind of pivotal part in the War of the Rohirrim. Instead of actual relevant characters that DO play pivotal roles, such as Helm's nephew Frealaf. The guy who actually came and defeated the Dunlendings after Helm's and his two son's deaths. Thus saving the kingdom and was named King. Why not follow and focus on him? Can we please get something that's about what is actually written? I want Tolkien damn it! For those of you who enjoy shallow fanfiction, I guess this is the film for you.

[@mixelplik]

Yep, if you saw the Interview with Phillipa Boyens she went on and on how the story of this unknown woman character so much more interesting to her.

[@stellifriends7785]

i'm not quite convinced. don't need no man, choosing life of action etc all seems a bit woke to me. i would like to like it; but i am not convinced.

[@Dracounguis]

Another example of why you don't lease out your IP 'in perpetuity' to a company. The initial product might be good, but then you risk getting crap in the future made just to hold on to the IP. It doesn't help your IP, it just devalues it. Better to lease it out per project.

[@davetheimpaler204]

The most surprising thing about this movie is discovering it's a theatrical release, not straight to streaming/home media. Whether it's good or not, "woke" or not, it's going to bomb out of cinemas.

[@cameronjames3499]

They don't care, as said in this video having a theatrical release allows them to retain multi-Billion dollar right.

[@billybarnett9518]

It's gonna bomb because Warner Bros has hardly put any effort into marketing it, hell, it only got one trailer while most theatrical releases get at least three. WB clearly has no confidence in any 2D animated film being a hit, had this not been a LOTR film, they would've treated it the same way they did "The Day The Earth Blew Up" and "Fixed"(the latter also being a New Line Cinema co-production).

[@Aqua-ij3xs]

@@cameronjames3499Yep, exactly. This movie was made for 1 purpose and 1 purpose only, fulfilling contractual obligations so they retain the movie rights. If the movie makes money back then that’s just a bonus for them.

[@erfarion]

Already watched it and completely agree with you. I enjoyed it. Helm was absolutely amazing. I literally almost cried during THAT scene. It's not on the trilogy level of course, but it is good.

[@SomeGuyNamedRoy]

Fans: We absolutely want to see a story about Helm Hammerhand! HBO: Soooo... the show is about Helms un-named daughter with maybe 2 mentions in all of Tolkien's works!

[@davidcoleman757]

Frealaf Hildeson has been done dirty. Won't be bothering with this one.

[@Dilbub]

lol then why comment on a video about The War of the Rohirrim? Clearly you are bothered

[@prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl]

Bcz with no frealof no theoden or his line of kings and no eowyn​@@Dilbub

[@mixelplik]

@@Dilbub Clearly YOU are being triggered by someone's reaction. What do YOU care that he doesn't like the movie. I could care less either way, just making an observation that you are trolling.

[@treskyplesky1189]

No he wasn't. He literally did the exact same thing as in the book. Just waited through winter and then went on to save them, just like in the movie.

[@therealinformalmusic]

Helm’ daughter, whatever her first name was, had no surname because the Rohirrim used patronymics; she would have been known as Helm’s Daughter, not Hammerhand. Here is all we need to read, from Appendix A, to know of Helm King: Of the Kings of the Mark between Eorl and Théoden most is said of Helm Hammerhand. He was a grim man of great strength. There was at that time a man named Freca, who claimed descent from King Fréawine, though he had, men said, much Dunlendish blood, and was dark-haired. He grew rich and powerful, having wide lands on either side of the Adorn. Near its source he made himself a stronghold and paid little heed to the king. Helm mistrusted him, but called him to his councils; and he came when it pleased him. To one of these councils Freca rode with many men, and he asked the hand of Helm’s daughter for his son Wulf. But Helm said: ‘‘You have grown big since you were last here; but it is mostly fat, I guess’’; and men laughed at that, for Freca was wide in the belt. Then Freca fell in a rage and reviled the king, and said this at the last: ‘‘Old kings that refuse a proffered staff may fall on their knees.’’ Helm answered: ‘‘Come! The marriage of your son is a trifle. Let Helm and Freca deal with it later. Meanwhile the king and his council have matters of moment to consider.’’ When the council was over, Helm stood up and laid his great hand on Freca’s shoulder, saying: ‘‘The king does not permit brawls in his house, but men are freer outside’’; and he forced Freca to walk before him out from Edoras into the field. To Freca’s men that came up he said: ‘‘Be off! We need no hearers. We are going to speak of a private matter alone. Go and talk to my men!’’ And they looked and saw that the king’s men and his friends far outnumbered them, and they drew back. “Now, Dunlending,’’ said the king, ‘‘you have only Helm to deal with, alone and unarmed. But you have said much already, and it is my turn to speak. Freca, your folly has grown with your belly. You talk of a staff! If Helm dislikes a crooked staff that is thrust on him, he breaks it. So!’’ With that he smote Freca such a blow with his fist that he fell back stunned, and died soon after. Helm then proclaimed Freca’s son and near kin the king’s enemies; and they fled, for at once Helm sent many men riding to the west marches. Four years later (2758) great troubles came to Rohan, and no help could be sent from Gondor, for three fleets of the Corsairs attacked it and there was war on all its coasts. At the same time Rohan was again invaded from the East, and the Dunlendings seeing their chance came over the Isen and down from Isengard. It was soon known that Wulf was their leader. They were in great force, for they were joined by enemies of Gondor that landed in the mouths of Lefnui and Isen. The Rohirrim were defeated and their land was overrun; and those who were not slain or enslaved fled to the dales of the mountains. Helm was driven back with great loss from the Crossings of Isen and took refuge in the Hornburg and the ravine behind (which was after known as Helm’s Deep). There he was besieged. Wulf took Edoras and sat in Meduseld and called himself king. There Haleth Helm’s son fell, last of all, defending the doors. Soon afterwards the Long Winter began, and Rohan lay under snow for nearly five months (November to March, 2758-9). Both the Rohirrim and their foes suffered grievously in the cold, and in the dearth that lasted longer. In Helm’s Deep there was a great hunger after Yule; and being in despair, against the king’s counsel, Háma his younger son led men out on a sortie and foray, but they were lost in the snow. Helm grew fierce and gaunt for famine and grief; and the dread of him alone was worth many men in the defence of the Burg. He would go out by himself, clad in white, and stalk like a snow-troll into the camps of his enemies, and slay many men with his hands. It was believed that if he bore no weapon no weapon would bite on him. The Dunlendings said that if he could find no food he ate men. That tale lasted long in Dunland. Helm had a great horn, and soon it was marked that before he sallied forth he would blow a blast upon it that echoed in the Deep; and then so great a fear fell on his enemies that instead of gathering to take him or kill him they fled away down the Coomb. One night men heard the horn blowing, but Helm did not return. In the morning there came a sun-gleam, the first for long days, and they saw a white figure standing still on the Dike, alone, for none of the Dunlendings dared come near. There stood Helm, dead as a stone, but his knees were unbent. Yet men said that the horn was still heard at times in the Deep and the wraith of Helm would walk among the foes of Rohan and kill men with fear. Soon after the winter broke. Then Fréaláf, son of Hild, Helm’s sister, came down out of Dunharrow, to which many had fled; and with a small company of desperate men he surprised Wulf in Meduseld and slew him, and regained Edoras. There were great floods after the snows, and the vale of Entwash became a vast fen. The Eastern invaders perished or withdrew; and there came help at last from Gondor, by the roads both east and west of the mountains. Before the year (2759) was ended the Dunlendings were driven out, even from Isengard; and then Fréaláf became king. Helm was brought from the Hornburg and laid in the ninth mound. Ever after the white simbelmynë grew there most thickly, so that the mound seemed to be snow-clad. When Fréaláf died a new line of mounds was begun.

[@DarlinAkaDarlene]

Thank you for including what Tolkien actually wrote. It's been a long time since I read that. I won't be seeing this just as I've never seen Rings of Power.

[@omaroreyes]

ohhh wow... a 14 minute video, that actually starts in minute 8?? lol.. crazy!

[@ArwenUndomiel406]

So it’s all about keeping the rights for making LOTR content for WB. Just like with Disney wanting to keep the rights for their movie characters. Boy, the state of modern entertainment is fucking depressing.

[@Veylon]

Every few years they make a terrible movie to prevent anyone else from making a good movie.

[@happyhippo2704]

It bugged me when I keep hearing “Hornburg” in the movie. It was not called by that name during that actual time. It was “Suthburg”. Hornburg was later named to honor Helm, has he used to blow his horn before and after his hunt for Dunlendings during the long winter. Also the name Hornburg maybe used to terrified Dunlendings and remind them of the horror or Helm Hammerhand. Also also, Helm’s Deep refer to the cave deep within the fortress, not the actual fortress. Also also also, Hera name is of Greek origin. All the name of people in Rohan is of Germanic origin. Maybe she is not Helm’s real daughter…

[@davidr5658]

So Gary says its woke, Andre says its based. Gary is probably being hard on it due to his knowledge of the lore while Andre is going easy on it due to limited history with the lore. The truth is it probably somewhere in the middle. I will watch it, but probably not until it is streaming.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

Best I can guess is that if this didn't have The Lord of The Rings slapped onto, then it probably would've been received a lot better on face value.

[@creamygoodness292]

"truth is probably somewhere in the middle".... are you being serious saying that? If the movie was a new IP then that would be a fine statement to make, but for a long existing IP that has very well defined and deep lore, a casuals opinion means little to nothing. The excuses Andre makes are similar to those made when we got the first cavalcade of Disney Star Wars tripe. Nu-fans who had no attachment, no knowledge, and most importantly, no care for the existing lore. They didn't care if pre-existing characters or lore was trashed aslong as they got some flashy lights.

[@kauetadaieski3131]

It is woke. Woman say she will marry death lol

[@j.a.velarde5901]

#MidnightsEdge -- Retired actor here: -- From what I saw in the trailer, it seemed to me that the dialogue and script were severely dumbed down in this production. It was so bad, that there wasn't even a reason to pay attention to the words the characters were saying. -- Did you, at all, get this impression while watching? -- Was the show frustrating in any way, that you may not have mentioned? --

[@riseofatlas7969]

maybe he get some coins to keep his mouth sh......

[@Dilbub]

Retired failed actor** what roles did you actually star in?

[@steele8280]

Seems worth watching if you don’t really care about LOTR, the lore, or being beaten over the head with feminist messaging.

[@MillywiggZ]

Is this “review” a paid ad read for this movie?

[@jeremiasc.2972]

Looks like someone doesn't share your opinion, hm?

[@zigazdovc6175]

Average Gritrotic fan spotted.

[@thisismyname3928]

@@zigazdovc6175 👆🏳‍🌈

[@duydatyds]

Not surprisingly, there is a lot of fake "reviewers" these days, who solely setup their channels to get woke agenda paycheck.

[@wrongthinker843]

Pretty much.

[@zebare726]

The video start at 4:30

[@Num1n0us]

it may be non-woke. it may be based.and Andre may have enjoyed it. BUT!!! given the disaster that was the trailer i can see vast swaths of people not giving this film the time of day. Apparently Furiosa was also a pretty good film but no one went and saw that for the same reason that they wont go and see this. if what Andre said about the film is true then those responsible for making the trailer should be fired for incompetency. I know i was interested in seeing this until they released that trailer and now, even with Andre's review i'm still not inclined to go and watch it.

[@SpaceJawa]

Yeah, they need to learn that by selling to the woke crowd they might as well be making woke garbage because any whiff of it - even in the advertising - is basically audience repellent.

[@jeremiasc.2972]

@Num1n0us Watch the Japanese trailer. It is way better balanced then the western one.

[@Num1n0us]

@@jeremiasc.2972 I'm not in japan. i'm not japanese. they created a trailer and a marketing campaign for western countries and the onus is not on those of us that live there to seek out better marketing campaigns and trailers from around the world. there job is to entice people to see it and they did the complete opposite of that (making people that were excited for it no longer give two shits about seeing it)

[@jeremiasc.2972]

@Num1n0us I don't know where you've been for the last few years, but maybe you've noticed at some point that things like this aren't done so well in the West these days. Indentity politics and so on. You see other things in the other trailers, it's as simple as that. It's not the Japanese's fault that a Western studio doesn't know how to make good trailers anymore. So, you can either keep crying, or move your fingers on the keyboard and watch other trailers. Then you'll see what real trailers look like, not what we get all the time. I'm also not living in Japan, nor am I japanese.

[@SpaceJawa]

@@jeremiasc.2972 No, it's not the Japanese fault, it's the studio's fault. If the studio doesn't know how to make a good trailer for the west, that's on the studio, not on the audience that choose not to see the movie based on a bad trailer. Warner and New Line should get no more excuse for their bad trailer potentially killing the movie than Hasbro gets for their bad marketing likely playing a major roll in killing Transformers One.

[@viniidalgo9065]

What an idiotic review that was. Not only do you focus on one of the least important aspects of what makes a movie good or not, but you also completely miss the mark. The male characters of the movie are portrayed as either reckless douchebags or inconsequential nitwits. Hera is just a cardboard cutout of the badass princess trope, she has 0 personally and barely any character development. "Wholesale family values" 😂 give me a break.

[@under_score3829]

The music was the stand-out feature of this movie. It wasn't Howard Shore - it was some other guy named Stephen Gallagher. But it sounded like Shore. Outside of a few tracks borrowed from the original movies, the music is all new. But you wouldn't know it. Gallagher did a phenomenal job mimicking Shore's style, and it REALLY makes a difference. Like Don Davis's musical style in the Matrix, Howard Shore's style really made it FEEL like LoTR.

[@RancorSnp]

Honestly I thought the music was the weakest part, overall had a great time with the movie, but I certainly at times thought that I wish the music for this or that moment was better

[@bordocofrivia2896]

I'll save you some time. Yes it is woke. They took helm's story and changed it to make it about her daughter who becomes a girl boss. It sucks, don't see it.

[@datyeen]

Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video lol The only thing "girlboss" about her is the fact that she outright refused to take a husband, and as such, was forgotten to time.

[@krinwashu]

@@datyeen I watched the whole video, saw the movie and have read the source material for the story. And yes, it is woke. The script goes out of its way to give basically every pivotal moment to the girlboss. It was very disappointing. Also , I suspect Andre may have fallen asleep during the final duel.

[@datyeen]

​@krinwashu she's not even a girlboss, though you goofball. She has none of the characteristics of one.

[@focuszx]

Thank you for the truth, this long winded "review" was absolutely unbearable.

[@focuszx]

​@@datyeensoy?

[@xtremeranger30]

Seems like to me more of a Nausicaä and Princess Mononoke type story for Lord of the RIngs. Not inherently a bad idea to give Ghibli type treatment to Tolkien's works.

[@verigumetin4291]

It definitely sounds slightly different than standard Tolkien. But to be fair, we have the perfect Tolkien story already. It's called the Lord of the Rings. I find it ok to aim for different but still respectful, and this piece of art seems to accomplish this if this review is to be believed. If you look at this comment section however... you'd think that red head fucked everyone's mom up the ass.

[@charissawilkinson9270]

But one of the founders of Studio Ghibli hated Tolkien's work. Why should a similar treatment be given to the Professor's pieces? Wouldn't that just insult both men?

[@DavidWatkiss]

none of this is Tolkien, Jackson and all after are not Tolkien. Read the books if you want Tolkien. There is NO woke, NO race swapping, no girl bosses forced in where they should not be. I have read his works yearly for over 50 years and no movie, whatever is true to the greatest work of fiction ever written. Those think they can improve Tolkien are remedial and envious of his pure genius where they lack all talent, imagination and creativity

[@jabrockobiden9434]

Correct

[@Halbared]

I agree wholeheartedly.

[@hagarddunord8410]

Yeah yeah grandpa. And i'm sure you miss the good ol time when people where not writing on paper but on stone. Come on ...

[@rodimussupreme2329]

@@hagarddunord8410Dumbass child thinks he knows better, it seems. You need to be out in your place.

[@logisticsnerd76]

Thank you. The movies are watered down garbage.

[@markpaterson2053]

I don't get this guy---is he being sarcastic at the end there? It DOESN'T resemble Middle-earth at all and it looks WOKE as fuck.

[@fokkyall]

A bad take from someone who knows nothing about the books.Tolkien’s saga is complete and there is absolutely no need to “expand” his world by lesser men trying to leech off of true master’s work.

[@nickhayes1626]

Wow, you made me actually want to check this out. I was convinced this was going to be terrible, but now I have hope.

[@arnoldtettero8470]

Don't get the hate to be honest . Yes it does not follow the books from what I am told , but it not like Hera is this all powerful girl boss. Would have made some changes like her Father's death and final stance being shown on film , but seriously whoever made the trailer and the synopsis for this movie deserves to be fired as they made it seem like an woke disaster

[@TheRealAkaRai]

This kind of sounds like one of those cope "Actually it's totally based" reviews certain reviewers give for obviously woke products they're just reinterpreting with their headcanon, like there were a flood of for Barbie when that came out. You're speaking of real world consequences for her being a girlboss who by your own admission "don't need no man" and how she has no legacy and isn't recorded because she had no kids, but somehow I doubt the movie has a line about her "ending up alone with cats" this reminds me of people arguing "Fury Road isn't feminist because when the women take over at the end they immediately exhaust the water supply!" Obviously that wasn't what the people making it intended you to take away, it makes the movie dumb in real world terms, but doesn't change the movie's actual message. Calling this "the most based movie of the year" is pure hyperbole. Personally if I'm being honest my interest was lost in this before the political stuff dropped. I'm satisfied with her design visually because she's attractive and feminine and generally DEI projects cannot abide that, but what makes it boring to me is that it's a purely human story. No hobbits, no dwarves, no elves, no orcs or goblins. Looks like there's a couple giant animals and that's it. No wizards, no magical weaponry. Call me shallow but that makes the setting seem really dull given everything being omitted. It's like making a Star Trek series taking place on Earth with no aliens, no futuristic tech and no space travel. ...Paramount's, actually going to try that, aren't they? Also, I know you wanna make those adbux, but the padding in this video was particularly obnoxious. You tell us why you know we're here at 1:40 then pad for six minutes with the usual 2 minute vpn ad and four minutes mentioning other franchises and common knowledge completely useless to the viewer and then only finally *begin* to very slowly address the movie itself shortly after the 8 minute mark.

[@mariokarter13]

Sounds like the anime influence is more than skin deep. Female anime protagonists always tend to be more nuanced than the average Western girlboss.

[@tw7998]

I miss the days when people didn't engage in culture war bullshit (such as assessing whether a show is 'woke') and just talked about how engaging the story was

[@kerravon4159]

That was back in the days when the point of the movie was to actually _tell_ a story rather than to act as a trojan horse delivery system for their preachy _message._ I think we all miss those days.

[@Kiyoone]

Even if you "spoil' it, I think that very few care.

[@Mrvideogameoficial]

but that they dont record her name just because she a woman dont marrie is already a very woke feminist message hehe And family was very important but she dind´t honered her father wishes of finding a husband and passing her legacy on having kids ? and she dind´t have a good reason for that ? and her not marring and having kids because she need no man is a fanservice for what king people ? option 1 cristians conservatives or obtion 2 feminist with purple hair.

[@1701EarlGrey]

OK, and what about rumors that Hera will lead entire tribe of Amazon like warrior to help Rohan in hour of need - is this in the movie ? I have to admit that I'm surprised by this positive review since Nerdrodic told opposite story and entire plot sounds like Disney's "Brave" but in Middle-Earth - this whole tomboy princess who don't want to get married ...

[@centuryspicysalsa]

I've watched the movie that never happens.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

Uhhh... Eowyn was too much of a girl boss for me in Jackon's TLotR. This "character" was only worth a sentence and no name in the Appendices. So, this movie should have been about Helm Hammerhand and for these reasons it will be a hard pass for me on seeing it.

[@andresbolanos993]

Eowyn fell deeply in love with Aragorn, but was rejected by him, and they never showed her besting any man in combat other than the Nazgul, and that was with Merry's help. None of that reads like girlbossery to me. I agree on everything else you said, though.

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

@@andresbolanos993 The scene when she is practicing with the sword and parries with Aragorn?! That scene could also be classified as besting a man. Being masculine, wanting to fight, and thinking being a Shield Maiden of Rohan is beneath her is very girl boss. Even the delivery of the line, "I am no man" was cringe. If that doesn't read as girl boss to you that is fine... to me it does. Now, it may be due to how Miranda Otto portrayed Eowyn but it doesn't really matter as it is how I perceive that character in those films.

[@steele8280]

Agreed. I still hate the way she says “I’m no man” as if just uttering the word “man” fills her with disgust. It’s subtle but it makes all the difference.

[@kahinaloren]

@@sandman_says_runrunner4701 The real quote: "It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. "But no living man am I! You are looking upon a woman. Eowyn am I, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.""

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

@@steele8280 100%

[@garypvamos2508]

Andre did you really watch this? This whole video is a HARD disagree from me.

[@Thandar324]

Thanks. I was not sure after seeing that trailer, but this review renewed my interest in this movie.

[@kd9749]

Considering they decided to center the story on a character who was so unimportant that history didn’t even record her name, I think I’ll pass. Doubly so considering that they went out of their way to make her asexual. I’m tired of every female lead being either gay or asexual.

[@commentingisdangerous7530]

seems like they put that crap in cartoons to influence kids to grow up thinking that kind of deviancy is normal.

[@charissawilkinson9270]

Truthfully, she was probably forcibly married to Wulf, so that he had a veiled legitimacy over the throne.

[@AeternusNox.]

Your high praise of the Rankin and Bass Hobbit movie, if we ever meet, I’m buying you a beer!

[@Jabberstax]

I'll wait till it's on Pirate Bay

[@Kiyoone]

Even those are not worth... Imagine that... The reviewers put more effort to entertain us

[@krinwashu]

Better wait for a good fan edit.

[@willpower8061]

Speaking as a form Disney artist, the anime approach works a lot better than the typical American way. Granted the models sheets could have less "anime-like" imo

[@builditonce]

My favorite part was when Johnny Storm said, "Ring on!"

[@davidr5658]

Andre, your segway from the intro to the ad read was masterful here.

[@gnarwhal7562]

Tbh I'm shocked it even has a theatrical release. This movie is likely going to bomb in cinemas. It should have just been a straight to streaming release for Max or Netflix

[@anakinskywalker2142]

Here is my ranking 1. return of the king 10/10 (extended 12/10) 2. Two towers 10/10 (extended 10/10) 3. The desolation of smaug 9/10 (extended 9/10) 4. fellowship of the ring 9/10 (extended 10/10) 5. war of the rohirrim 7/10 6. an unexpected journey 7/10 (extended 8/10) 7. battle of the five armies 5/10 (extended 7/10) 8. Rings of shit 3/10

[@jabrockobiden9434]

The main character is not tolkien. Therefore not lord of the rings

[@dandeherrera4015]

I was planning on skipping this but your review has given me pause. I just may go see it now. Thank you.

[@FunkMastaMegaFlex]

This is interesting 🤔 I heard this was as bad as RANGZ Of POWA! However Andre thinks differently. I like this mix of takes.

[@jabrockobiden9434]

Andre had bad taste

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

Nothing can be as bad as that shyte show.

[@MillywiggZ]

They may be boiling the frog, being paid to give this a good review or have been saturated by things that are so bad this appears good. Only time will tell. But to me it looks like a 4.5/10 would 🏴‍☠️ out of curiosity.

[@vrika4280]

I wouldn't go by these guys on movie opinions, they have really bad takes a lot of times, and kind of a low standard.

[@marducms]

Comparing anything with Ring of Power is easy.

[@Wien1938]

The director is a very talented and old fashioned Japanese director. Thanks, Andre! I'm going to go see this.

[@Wien1938]

Just been to see it and really enjoyed it. All the characters are believable, there is NO HINT of girlboss-ery and the animation and voice acting are very very good. Recommend going to see the film.

[@orionhan2431]

Will probably give it a chance when i'm free. Amazon's fault for advertising it as Girl Boss

[@steele8280]

Same. Not spending any extra on this due to its marketing.

[@bullmoose5574]

Warner bros. Not made by Amazon.

[@orionhan2431]

@@bullmoose5574 i misspoke. but same sentiment applies

[@kauetadaieski3131]

It is 100% girlboss beating warriors lol

[@integrax5559]

I hear you, and agree, to a point. If it was a new character in a new story, I'd be all in. I'm a paper & pencil gamer, and I'm accustomed to telling new stories inside an existing world, but outside the guidelines provided. But, IT'S NOT, and, the logic sounds good, but, I think it's reaching a bit too far. At the end of the day, they just took a (sort of) existing character, changed her, and stole a plot, and changed it to suit their needs. Ultimately, doing a disservice to EVERYONE.

[@kerravon4159]

Yeah, well-written or not I'm all strong whamen'd out. I need about a decade or two of nothing but male protagonists and respectful trad-wives to detox from what Disney have inflicted on us.

[@orakaa]

Brother, I feel *exactly* the same. Amen to that.

[@Krysnha]

for me i want muscle girls showing skin in a sexy story, modern girl bosses no i dont want any more no matter how good it is

[@commentingisdangerous7530]

completely agree. if the movie or show has a female lead i don't even bother watching them any more.

[@Levis_Manifesto]

@@Krysnha That's what Gina Carano in Mando was. And Disney took her from us too.

[@Krysnha]

@@Levis_Manifesto Yeah she speack her mind and actualy show diversity of tougth and Dysney dont want that, they want all thinking the same thing

[@Grendel1169]

The PJ LotR movies are quite good, but that’s about it. Nothing else. My advice… Read the books! Its the only way now

[@zaxx]

Hera is a self-insert. Phillipa Boyens hired her daughter Phoebe Gittens to write this. Phoebe just so happens to be a ginger (she's kinda cute), and was an extra for The Hobbit films.

[@TI4438]

Hard pass. I'll stick to the books.

[@Avarn388]

Neat. I’m curious to check it out. Honestly, I’m not a hardcore Tolkien fan. I have read the books and seen the movies but if the story is good on its own merits I’m fine with changes. Sure, I’d like these things to be lore accurate but at the same time I also just want good stuff. It’s funny because two of my favorite films this year are the Wild Robot and Transformers One. Excellent movies which happened to be animated. And I do like the art and animation shown from this movie. So I’m down to check it out.

[@jesserochon3103]

Same! Haha and yes I will be checking out rohirrim. I do not expect it to be very faithful to the source. But it could still be a good movie in its own right.

[@jcam42]

I'm impressed. After seeing the trailer, I was going to skip it because they made her seem like a girl boss. But you made it sound awesome. Now I want to see it.

[@Cloak-and-the-Dagger]

I REALLY WISH THEY HADN'T GONE WITH AN "ANIME" STYLE.... A more detailed, realistic (so to speak) and adult style would have much much better, palatable and easier to take seriously.

[@brianng3700]

Your review doesn’t start until 7:30 what the heck man

[@jarosawknas8947]

I've just returned form the cinema. Movie is definitely woke and main heroine is clearly Mary Sue. Question of marriage is mentioned three times, like it were some obsession, so I'm do not astonished, that some view it as attack on institution of marriage itself. I did not plan to go for The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim but Midnight's Edge gave me a false information. Helm Hammerhand last speech to Hera is full of cringe and the best describe I've ever heard what is meaning of Mary Sue. Heroine is better in everything than others and if is not, something miraculously happen so she can be a victor and rightful all the time.

[@dereknorth7916]

Does this movie talk about Eowyn’s slaying of the witch king? My kids and I are reading Two Towers right now. I want to show them this movie in the theater but I don’t want to spoil that great Eowyn reveal from ROTK. Thanks

[@zillauniverse7208]

This sounds like another Dungeons & Dragons Horror Among Thieves situation where the trailers advertised it as a another crappy activist driven film only for the final film to have none of it at all and instead has a message about family.

[@Brentisimo]

If so, that was a fatal and inexcusable mistake on the part of the marketing department.

[@Mosux2007]

I was hesitant, but based on your review I now plan to see it. Thanks!

[@benparker1822]

Another dipping toe in the water first positive review! This is good to see. Are we past the DEI slump? (Sadly, as a Christian who keeps an eye on end-times prophecy, for me it feels too little too late, but I digress.)

[@otaku-sempai2197]

Thanks for this review; it's probably one of the most balanced ones that I expect to see. And, yes, I've been planning on seeing WOTR in the cinema ever since the film was announced.

[@rovhalt6650]

Notice how Hera always looks annoyed and angry.

[@rasmusmadsen5898]

Notice how this person haven’t seen the film and doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Thanks, I wasn't planning on seeing it, believing it to be DEI woke girl boss, but your explanation sounds good. Pity it doesn't have AI graphics, Anime is a bit dated.

[@ldawg360l]

If Hera still thinks she doesn't need a husband at end of the movie, then it is NOT based. She should have learned she can't go through her life all alone and the only reason she's not in the history should be another reason. She could have found love, but the man she wants to marry doesn't want the throne and neither does she after all the bloodshed over the throne already. She could have left the throne to her cousin and went off into the world with her husband to find a place for themselves. That is how you end it properly. Jackson has sadly dropped the ball once again.

[@kd9749]

Women never find love in western media anymore, unless they are lesbians.

[@ClaymoreLinx]

All the shit you wrote afterwards is cringe. According to ME, it is based because she is forgotten due to her inability to leave a legacy. In other words based.

[@ldawg360l]

@@ClaymoreLinx I respectfully disagree. I see it less as based as more a lack of imagination on the part of the writers. What's wrong with wanting a more positive outcome for the protagonist where they learn to change their way of thinking?

[@ClaymoreLinx]

@@ldawg360l It does not matter whether or not the protag gets a good or a bad ending. What matters is the ending matching the symbolic actions of the character in the story. If Hera represents the societal daughter, and she refuses to participate in the mythological responsibilities as such. Therefore, she failed and is forgotten. I mean I haven't seen the movie, but that idea is pretty much correct in a cosmic sense, much of Tolkien speaks to that as well.

[@burra007]

@@ClaymoreLinxI’m with you. She may want to remain single, but there are consequences for it, therefore: based

[@Mr.Bardel4363]

at least a character that i like . how she looks . i do not give a shit about the rings in general . stupid rings that didnt do shit ...

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Phillipa Boyens comments filled me with more confidence. Saying they didn't want to portray a typical girl warrior thing, as its boring. And Hera's story came about organically because of what happens to other characters. You can tell there is a lot more respect of the source material.

[@reallybig4868]

Ding ding retard alert!

[@steele8280]

There is, but the feminist leanings were there in LOTR already: the attempt to include Arwen fighting at Helm’s Deep (thankfully removed) and the way Eowyn says “I’m no man” as if just saying the word “man” disgusts her. That part always and still bothers me. If this had been released 15 years ago maybe I wouldn’t have noticed, but after being beaten over the head with feminist and woke messaging for over a decade, my tolerance for that crap is at an all time low. This is a skip for me, and for the next movie, Philippa should only be a consultant, not a driving force behind the story.

[@creamygoodness292]

What are you on about? 🤨 this came with preloaded excuses to try and dodge any criticism. Once again, it's casuals who are saying "it's okay" or "it's based" or some other variation of cringe shit. Anyone familiar with the books and actual lore will see this for the RoP Amazon level BS it is, and it will be the wannabes and tourists who clap their hands because "we like dem wizurds and sheeet".

[@Hero_Of_Old]

​​@@creamygoodness292 I can gurantee I know more about the books than you ever will in your life, son. Do you know what the Cottage of Lost Play is for example? Or Tevildo? I doubt it.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

​@@steele8280 True, Eowyn going to war in the books is shown as a tragic thing. Not empowerment.