Just Like a CHESS MATCH! APA 8 Ball. SL 7 vs SL 7

APA league match. Played at Lakeside Bar in White lake, MI
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[@dallassmith1839]

Good to see an amateur channel doing well. I thought the banter on the slow play was funny in the beginning but a bit extra overall. As the channel showcases, it’s amateur pool with no shot clock because it’s just a hobby for most amateurs. I’m not defending Jeff’s slow play but I’ve learned that you need to play the table and not the opponent. This applies here where Jeff’s slow play may have gotten in your head, even if it was just in the slightest. That could hinder your game concentration. We all come across slow players and players who get rolls, “typically” the better player comes out on top as long as you play the table and not the opponent.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Thanks for the feedback, Dallas

[@JD-fx1np]

Sure. It's psychological. But I thought the apa does at least suggest some sort of time limit. Jeff was taking well over a minute at times, right?. Annoying. And that 7 didn't look like it hit. Also, Jeff is a 7? I've seen him do some silly things. I get it. I wasn't there but some of his choices, don't seem like a '7' thing to do. He must be good at other things, stroke, banks or something I didn't see here for him to be a 7

[@Amateur_Pool]

@JD-fx1np yes, the apa does actually have a time limit but, it's rarely enforced. Jeff is a pretty consistent player. I've played him many times

[@robertkasch1944]

Playing against a "slow player" used to cost me games because of jumping up too quick. Sometimes the player might be playing a psych and so I just turn it around by walking the entire table before a shot. @@JD-fx1np

[@HaveAnother775]

You suck Dallas

[@ClutchCarson]

That 7 either hit the rail or a divot in the table. It definitely made a momentum change. Without a watcher right on top of it, I would say, shooter wins by honest benefit of the doubt.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Yup

[@goba44]

Always entertaining, especially your commentary and playful ribbing at yourself and others for bad shots or slow play. On the subject of playing a painfully slow opponent I think there IS a strategy that I have tried to use. 1.there is a tendency when your opponent is very slow for you to be rushed when you get back to the table because you are frustrated. Hence one makes mistakes by not following one’s own proper pre-shot routine, and you give the table back and the whole process repeats itself. 2. I say you have to flip the script by slowing down your own game for a start, pay attention to your pre shot routine, and take control of the table. It’s the old switcheroo. Let them be the ones to watch and get angtsy. Just a suggestion.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Love it! Solid advice!

[@palmhavenone]

OMG thank you for this video. I'm the team's perpetual 2 handicap. I watch a lot of videos to try to learn more but your video had me laughing throughout the whole match.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Lol, awesome!! Glad it was entertaining. Thanks so much for watching!

[@drewmartin6240]

Every time you ripped him for slow playing it got funnier and funnier just cause of how ruthless u were 😂

[@Amateur_Pool]

LOL - He said the same thing after he watched it! He said - "I didn't realize that I played so slow." LOL

[@johnvit-zw1js]

Great job, Josh. Love your videos. Love pool.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Thank you sir! I appreciate you watching!

[@willreasoner4384]

The 7 Ball....... NO RAIL !!!

[@CueballcontrolSometimes]

His perspective would not be able to tell if it hit rail, camera is in a better location and still cannot tell definitively.

[@Amateur_Pool]

True

[@andrewlaprairie]

Awesome my guy! Love the commentary and the 7' chess matches

[@Amateur_Pool]

Thanks, homie! Just sub'd to your channel. I love pool content!

[@andrewlaprairie]

@Amateur Pool w/Josh Powell thank bro, your a true valley cat

[@brianscott5155]

Looks like that 7 rolled into a digit on the table and came back. Didn’t see it hit a rail.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Same

[@andrewwilson7165]

I’m a big fan bro! Keep up the good content

[@Amateur_Pool]

Thanks Andrew! That means a lot.. it's a lot of work recording, editing and commentating these but, i love the game. I want to see it grow as a sport

[@davelariviere]

Really enjoying your stream! Thank you sir!

[@Amateur_Pool]

I'm glad you enjoy it! Thank you for watching, Dave!

[@Seri-Katil]

7 didn't touch a rail. It hit maybe a piece of broken chalk or something small and settled in a divot.

[@Amateur_Pool]

That's what i thought too

[@cj-ef1rp]

T hit the rail. Rolled towards center of table.

[@antoniog9814]

11:24 This was a great situation for a 3-rail shot :)

[@Amateur_Pool]

Lol.. it was all i could see!

[@felixchien1664]

You’re basically saying Jeff’s spirit animal is the almighty three toed sloth

[@Amateur_Pool]

Lol, basically

[@felixchien1664]

@@Amateur_Pool I'm a fan of sloths so give Jeff a treat the next time you see him!

[@losoj30]

That's a bald that is scarier then mine😂

[@Amateur_Pool]

🤣

[@poolbob8776]

The 7 hit something and rolled away from the rail ???

[@Amateur_Pool]

What time stamp?

[@georgetheplumber77]

You're funny dude. I like it. Cool vibe

[@Amateur_Pool]

Thanks, George! Appreciate it!

[@jdude9002]

Hi josh love the channel, when you were sl 4 did you do anything specific to raise your level or just keep playing?

[@Amateur_Pool]

Play as much as you can with people who are better.. if you can, practice on a table, by yourself, also. Focus on your stroke.. thank you for watching!

[@jdude9002]

@@Amateur_Pool awesome thats my plan

[@HaveAnother775]

He just slaughtered

[@jamescathcart4762]

Like your videos. In your opinion, where would a low level APA 7 be as a fargo rating? My guess would be mabey a 525 or so. Your thoughts?

[@Amateur_Pool]

Maybe. I know 525 is considered a "B" player. Thanks for watching!

[@poolbob8776]

Just a slight bald spot Josh.

[@Amateur_Pool]

😆🤣

[@Staypuff52]

Josh, I think you are correct. I saw the bounce back of the seven and thought it it the rail. My apologies.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Lol... i didn't see it in real life either

[@AdamMarr]

@Jeffery Heckmann fellow Max fan!

[@anon2414]

3:51 ball in hand...integrity is my #1 rule... I've given people ball in hand countless number of times and they literally asked me why they have ball in hand

[@Amateur_Pool]

I'm the same way. If I know I made a bad hit, i give the ball in hand, even if they didn't see it. I've done this in fairly big tournaments also.

[@losoj30]

Thanks!

[@Amateur_Pool]

❤️🙌❤️🙌

[@robertamsden6463]

Love the commentary on this one

[@Amateur_Pool]

Thanks, my man!

[@johnsample9640]

Isnt there like a 30-45 second shot timer via apa rules?

[@Amateur_Pool]

I think something like that but, no one's ever timing shots, that I've seen

[@patrickbaitman8336]

Jeff shoots fast compared to a couple guys in our league.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Lol

[@wv1martinfan]

Josh, sry I have not subscribed until now. I have watch several vids. I believe it helps all of us that live pool. Seeing you lately, you seem distracted from pool. Life problems are horrible and I hope this not the case. Love your videos. Runs a rack would ya?

[@Amateur_Pool]

Thanks for the sub! Your assesment is spot on. Life has a way of trying to pull you in different directions. Not to worry though, I'll snap back! :)

[@timbarnett6191]

I'm pretty sure the 7 hit 5:02 the rail. I watched 10 Times before I saw how it moved at the end.

[@Amateur_Pool]

It was close. It either hit the rail, or it hit something on the table

[@ChadAhr01]

@@Amateur_Pool It looked to me like it rolled in a divot or whatever, didn't touch rail

[@enigmaxn8er]

With all due respect, you guys are over capped.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Appreciate the input.. how many matches did you watch?

[@enigmaxn8er]

@@Amateur_Pool I’ve been subscribed to ya a couple weeks, I’ve watched you play many matches 8 and 9 ball. At least what ya have on your channel. Handicapped leagues are so different in each area

[@Amateur_Pool]

@Pimp Dizzle that's for sure! I did compete in Vegas last year. Made it to the finals. I appreciate you watching bro!

[@enigmaxn8er]

@@Amateur_Pool No doubt man keep grinding. You made it to the 8 ball finals? Apa ? Was the match commentated?

[@Amateur_Pool]

@@enigmaxn8er ya, there's a link to it on my main channel page

[@billylee245]

7 hit a rail

[@calie01915]

I look forward to your videos. Tell Timmy I said hi

[@Amateur_Pool]

lol... Thank you!

[@ynkybomber]

8:15 Jeff double tapps that draw. He DOES realize it, but he also notices that you did not.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Smh... lol

[@jeffarthur322]

Isn’t a 7 in apa 8 ball the top ? Jeff should have made a safety a couple innings sooner and locked you out ( first game) when you gave him ball in the paw

[@Amateur_Pool]

Yes, it's the top in apa but, still amateur

[@carlosortega5130]

I noticed you pick up your stick after your break and you lose power when you lift up on break like that keep your stick on the table and follow through on break you will break better

[@antoniog9814]

3:50 I slowed the playback speed and no rail was hit after contact.

[@Amateur_Pool]

It's so hard to tell.. i think it was bad too

[@jackdad7411]

Super slow mo , 7 no rail

[@Tannerbowles65]

I’m in Metro Detroit. I’ll come shoot and make videos🤣

[@Amateur_Pool]

I wouldn't mind meeting up to shoot a video. What speed do you play at?

[@ray1love1]

Why do they put somwthing there before they shoot the 8 ball

[@Amateur_Pool]

Marking the pocket for the 8 ball

[@goofya6633]

That 7 got a rail

[@Amateur_Pool]

It's Debatable.. it's close, for sure

[@goofya6633]

Come on man

[@Amateur_Pool]

@@goofya6633 bruh.. lol

[@joachimfuchs7061]

Sorry but quit watching on game 2 cause that guy made me mad

[@Amateur_Pool]

Bummer man! Lol..

[@Asd72180]

Great commentary.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Thank you

[@duconce]

If your going to take foul, why make the ball for him? Wouldn't it be better to put that ball on the rail next to the side pocket [first game]

[@Amateur_Pool]

Got a timestamp? This is an old video so, i don't remember

[@thejewce7636]

I would say it was a force to make him shoot at the only other 2 balls on the table, he had done many safeties on the 7 and his opp went after the 9 many times too if i recall right. So he just took that option off the table to progress the game.

[@tuneboyaustralia5301]

He was on stripes, it was not the 7. I think it was the 15 and no way did the 15 hit the rail…

[@Amateur_Pool]

I think you're right

[@nickg9021]

If I understand what you are saying correctly , you misunderstand the rule .After the cue ball makes contact with his object ball (the 15 ) , a ball (any ball) MUST contact a rail . That is the rule . Any ball includes the 15 , the cue ball , or any other ball ( the 7 in this case ) IF the 7 ball did touch the rail after contact , the shot is fair. Once a referee is not called to watch the hit , the opponent is at the mercy of the shooter's honesty . Having said that , I believe Jeff didn't know for sure that his shot was fair OR foul , so play continued and he can't be blamed . His attention was focused on making contact so he can't be expected to see everything that follows from that point.

[@Amateur_Pool]

@@nickg9021 🤔

[@nickg9021]

@@Amateur_Pool I don't understand the emoji ,@Amateur_pool. My reply was to tuneboyaustralia5301's post. The way I read it , I thought he was implying that since the "object ball " , the striped 15 in this case , did not hit a rail , that the shot was automatically a foul . If I was mistaken about his interpretation ,then I apologize for my misreading of his post . I only clarified the rule in case he was unfamiliar with it . Didn't mean to step on any toes .

[@Amateur_Pool]

@nickg9021 the emoji was because i didn't understand.. got the comment notification, didn't realize it was a reply to someone else. Sorry about the confusion

[@steveellis9026]

You mentioned in this video the lack of streaming amateur match videos. Check out Lil" Chris, he talks too much but lots of good videos.

[@Amateur_Pool]

I know Chris... his videos are good.. he just hit 100k subs..

[@Travis-xe9mk]

I'm not even gonna watch the whole thing. Number one way to get me out of stroke is to take forever to shoot. Makes me lose my mind

[@Amateur_Pool]

Ya, it's harder to stay focused, for sure..

[@chase8312]

would love to try and commentate, I dreamed of being a radio broadcaster as a kid, and I have loved pool my whole life.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Where do you live?

[@chase8312]

Texas@@Amateur_Pool

[@Amateur_Pool]

@chase8312 that's a toughy! I'm in Michigan. Lots of pool players in Texas though

[@HaveAnother775]

chase your dreams

[@wviasalyers]

7 hit a rail or it wouldn’t have bounced back

[@Amateur_Pool]

Could be. Or, it hit something on the table, which is common in a bar table with dirty felt

[@jdude9002]

7 did not hit rail

[@Amateur_Pool]

I agree

[@cphoover11]

Playing slow seems to be annoying Josh... so that's exactly what he should be doing hahaha

[@Amateur_Pool]

You're right.. it works sometimes. Doesn't make for good video though

[@DP-nw3lz]

That table is dead... rails and felt are shot.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Yup.. typical bar table, played on 99% of apa leagues.

[@Trucker_86]

It was a foul

[@Amateur_Pool]

Ya, it was super close

[@Bluehorseshoe4]

Visit Saint Louis and play in a tournament see how far you get

[@Amateur_Pool]

Great idea.. next time I'm in st louis, I'll do that

[@Bluehorseshoe4]

@@Amateur_Pool you ever visit the Derby?

[@Amateur_Pool]

@bluehorseshoe5450 not yet.. definitely want to get out there and watch n play.

[@goofya6633]

I’ve watched two of your videos and these Detroit 7s can’t beat any other 7s your a 6 in any other state

[@Amateur_Pool]

Probably right. You realize i took 2nd (as a 6) in Vegas singles, right? That includes all states

[@karlstehle8750]

You're a 7? Really?......pretty much not even close

[@Amateur_Pool]

Gotta be somewhat close.. i took second in Vegas nationals in 2022 as a 6... 🤔

[@nygchamps07]

Maybe u should've taken some more time b4 your shots like Jeff you might've made better choices 😂. Just kidding good shooting he just had a better day

[@Amateur_Pool]

Kidding or not, you're probably right.. I'm still learning! 😁

[@nygchamps07]

@@Amateur_Pool no man you're a damn good shooter sometimes that's just how it is on the table

[@Amateur_Pool]

@nygchamps07 thanks, man.. I'm working hard at it..

[@HaveAnother775]

great feedback! Giants suck worse than Dallas up top

[@richardmg9903]

This tables are slow

[@Amateur_Pool]

Super slow!

[@kenarmstrong5807]

The commentary might have been the worst part of watching the video. Glad the one guy won, even though it really didn't appear that he had much competition to challenge him.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Ya, i know.... that other guy sucks... I'm glad he lost

[@FirstBankTester2-sf3rx]

@@Amateur_Pool it’s not that he sucked, but that he was condescending sounding throughout the video towards his opponent. I hate sitting next to people like that in league play.

[@Amateur_Pool]

@FirstBankTester2-sf3rx the best of this is that, you literally chose to watch it... you can always turn your channel. Jeff is actually a good friend of mine and he thought the commentary was pretty funny. Much of my channel is like this so, i highly recommend that you don't watch any more of it. Thanks!

[@FirstBankTester2-sf3rx]

@@Amateur_Pool yes, I enjoy watching pool at all skill levels, so I chose to watch when I ran across. Apologies as I didn’t realize you were good friends. I was just put off with the constant negativity about your speed of play. Maybe opi would not have viewing it as one friend needling another.

[@Amateur_Pool]

@@FirstBankTester2-sf3rx i literally said that we were good friends during the commentary.. it's all good. I'm not everyone's cup of tea

[@absofuckinglutelyfamous-6934]

R u really a 7?😢

[@HaveAnother775]

you 2's gotta stick together almost famous

[@Amateur_Pool]

I was.. not anymore. I no longer play apa

[@absofuckinglutelyfamous-6934]

Bca rules are better

[@4FastEddie1]

foul

[@Amateur_Pool]

😁

[@wdiddy1]

You sound drunk and a little bitter in this video.

[@Amateur_Pool]

Def not drunk but, maybe a little bitter, lol.. he did beat me after all

[@HaveAnother775]

wanna know what's bitter....your life game...you suck worse than Dallas