How China is winning the GREEN ENERGY race.

[@supaflylob]

"oh no china is subsidizing electric vehicles making it hard to compete on price" meanwhile US has been subsidizing the domestic oil industry for the last 100 years

[@hillockfarm8404]

America did that for its own citizens, China doesn't have the internal market, so it dumps the stuff on other markets and at unfair advantage due to protected status as 2nd/3rd world economy. Be carefull when comparing.

[@Pecisk]

Also manufacturers admitting that they fucked it up themselves. Because that sweet sweet oil money talks very loudly.

[@cl8804]

J3VV LOVE. TO SEE. IT.

[@MartinMaat]

Offering tax exempts is also subsidizing. So is raising import tax on foreign products. Every country has its own ways.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

yeah, and they cant pay people nothing, as much as they want too. I guess capitalism is only fair if the US is doing it.

[@snowstrobe]

The other factor is, of course, that much of our industrial production has been moved to China, in other words, our lowering CO2 output is simply being 'outsourced' to China. So it's frankly pretty obscene of us to point the finger at their CO2 levels.

[@sportsonwheelss]

the thing that Western nations never mention is that the Chinese are not only carrying other nations' pollution being the manufacturer for the world, yet their emission per capita is still half of what Western world pollutes.

[@John-FourteenSix]

How else do you suggest we call them to account when we all breathe the same air?

[@TheHonestPeanut]

​@@John-FourteenSix the US has no right to call any country to account for anything. Nothing. China increased their CO2 output with the intent of eliminating it and they're on track to do so. Even with their increase they're FAR behind the US per capita. China isn't the world's biggest polluter and they're already reducing their output.

[@diceman199]

@@John-FourteenSix Maybe look at the per person output and China are already way ahead of the rest of us on installing renewables.

[@manoo422]

@@diceman199 China are doing exactly what everyone else should be doing by using ALL available resources to power it economy. Rather than what the West is doing which is ignoring all the best options and focusing on all the most worthless and expensive options.

[@StephenPowellebc]

Up to 5 years ago there was this call that the west shouldn't do anything to improve the environment, until China (and India) fixes their impact. Now they have, and the west's response is to say they are doing too much.

[@jesan733]

China and India haven't fixed their impact. Since 2010, the US has more than halved coal consumption, India has doubled and China has increased by 21%.

[@kenlek869]

@@jesan733 Can't speak for India, but go to any renewable website and search for China. The big news is how China installed as much solar in 2023 as the US ever did for all time.This is set to carry on for the next decade, and cause coal consumption to peak before 2030. China loves solar because it is cheap and clean, while coal is dirty and oil and natural gas rely on trade routes that are subject to blockades in times of war. You should realize that a year in China is equal to three to ten elsewhere, and China moves much faster than other countries.

[@andresgarciacastro1783]

China builds 90% of solar panels and 80% of wind turbines. They're the only ones doing something. Arguably

[@user-mhgu6om9mj2t]

​@@jesan733😂 no. You are wrong. You include US military and ICE cars you are biggest polluter. Funny how msm never talks about MIC and pollution.😂

[@jesan733]

@@user-mhgu6om9mj2t you say I'm wrong but then talk about something else. Why? What exactly was I wrong about?

[@jabezcrisp7899]

Remember about 5 years ago when the argument was *still* "Why should we decabronise? China won't do it!" And is now "China decarbonised and everyone wants the technology, it isn't fair!"

[@soowo5942]

China is ready to share.

[@jesan733]

AFAIK, China still has more than half of the world's coal generation but only 30% of the world's total electricity generation. China is much, much higher in CO2 emissions per kWh compared to e.g. the US.

[@soowo5942]

@@jesan733 China needs energy. Coal is what China has.

[@jesan733]

@@soowo5942 perhaps, but decarbonized it has not.

[@yeechut]

​@@jesan733China's per capita carbon emissions is half that of America's - further more China is producing half of the world's manufacturing goods. Are the Chinese less human than the Westerners?

[@orwin64]

Amazing what the Chinese have achieved since the 1980s. Their ability to collaborate and work for the good of all is second to none.

[@lynxlecher9547]

Check the intelligence stats. 104 average I think.. One of the highest. IQ rullz.

[@balkanleopard9728]

It's good to see people like yourself provided appreciation where it's due. We see so much totally negative reporting on everything in China that people are coming to believe only bad things. China, like all countries, has good and bad. Let's celebrate the good and assist in removing the bad - that way we all win.

[@maggiechan33]

Thank you. I think too often, other people don't give the Chinese workforce enough credit. With good governance, the disciplined and hard working Chinese workers have not only improved their quality of life, but also those of 40M people globally via BRI, and less significantly, given billions of people worldwide, access to affordable necessities.

[@pycpenn]

Ironically, aren't collaborating and working for the good of all exactly what democracy is driving for?

[@44bett]

Well said. The Chinese have also gotten over 700 million people out of poverty.

[@adus123]

China's coal consumption would likely be significantly lower if it were not responsible for producing half of the world's products commissioned by Western companies. We have been using them for years to produce our stuff now they have got good at it and we are moaning about it. We only have ourselves to blame.

[@jamesrowlands8971]

This. Especially steel.

[@100c0c]

China shouldn't mind the manufacturing being brought back then. It will help reduce their coal use.

[@jamesrowlands8971]

@@100c0c except that this would increase the length of logistics supply chains, making manufacturing more inefficient.

[@ricardodelzealandia6290]

Pretty much said exactly this to some friends in the pub the other night.

[@ShieldAre]

No, we have China to blame. China has done this deliberately. It used a lot of cheap coal and implemented loose environmental protections precisely so that it could attract manufacturing. As a result, China has gained an immense amount of investment and gotten richer far faster than for example India. China is the one profiting here, using a scheme they deliberately set up, and as such, China is the only one to blame. If China didn't want to be blamed, it wouldn't have used cheap coal and it would have implemented stricter regulations. The West is to blame only in the sense that it didn't implement strong enough carbon tariffs, but they are not easy to implement and track.

[@paulawallis]

Well, I live in Australia and drive a Chinese EV - because they're affordable....

[@Poppetje75]

Unfortunately, Tesla is canceling the model 2 for people with a lower budget. This shows that Elon thinks more about his own stock market than about reducing CO2 as he previously claimed.

[@WJV9]

@@Poppetje75 - Elon has claimed a LOT of things, most of which never happened or took 5 times longer than he thought and cost twice as much as claimed. He's a con man in the mold of djt and other grifters. I hope NASA drops him soon before they get too dependent on his X companies.

[@pikachus5m166]

How much does the BYD Seagull cost in Australia?. I've noticed huge UK price differences in BYD, MG and GWM with prices down under, and can only put that down to government policies.

[@mikeg9b]

@@Poppetje75 Tesla is not cancelling the more affordable car. From the Q1 2024 Earnings Call (Apr 23, 2024): "In terms of the new product road map, there's been a lot of talk about our upcoming vehicle line in the next -- in the past several weeks. We've updated our future vehicle lineup to accelerate the launch of new models ahead, previously mentioned start of production in the second half of 2025. So, we expect it to be more like the early 2025, if not late this year. These new vehicles, *including more affordable models,* will use aspects of the next-generation platform as well as aspects of our current platforms, and we'll be able to produce on the same manufacturing lines as our current vehicle lineup." kzbin.infoo81Rs-w3YMY?si=HNuP0E3mkIlZBDmx&t=443

[@hermesliteratus882]

@@pikachus5m166 For some inexplicable reasons, the UK government, not unlike the US, is regarding Chinese made EVs as national security threat and often imposes crazy tariff upon them.

[@ZuZungu]

It seems to me that China is doing the right thing. Working hard, planning ahead, investing hugely, and reaping the rewards. Finally, and Best of all, they're keeping ideology out of it.

[@mmparker42]

Very well said!

[@reppo2010]

True. How tables have turned. Ideology is more and more present in the US now.

[@maggiechan33]

The best thing is they are lifting people out of poverty in foreign countries - 40M so far via BRI. China has not imposed their ideology on any coutry - just lies from the west. For a longtime now, China has had a policy of non-interference in any nation's internal affairs

[@meizhou2275]

agree, but china's biggest problems are human rights and no democracy.

[@maggiechan33]

@@meizhou2275 NED bot.

[@erikdyrssen777]

US “China you are innovating too well. You have to slow down so we can catch up.”

[@willeisinga2089]

It is Cheap Electric Cars. Important difference. It is not Cheap Gas Cars. Cheap Electric Cars. Support China ❤.

[@AlvinnVanAert]

For some unknown reason, youtube keeps recommending videos about how EVs are a failure, and people dont want to buy them.

[@ronvandereerden4714]

The reason is known. Fossil industries have enormous power. We are flooded with their propaganda which triggers all sorts of algorithms in both social media and mainstream media in a vicious cycle. There's just no way these multi-$trillion industries are going to go down without a fight.

[@samchickensandwich23]

gee i wonder why, might it be that it has failed and people actually arnt buying them so much anymore ?

[@stickynorth]

Yup! Someone rich and influential is able to buy the algorithm.. Same here... It's a constant cycle of FUD media now... I'm a say probably MBS and Saudi Aramco since its the largest petro-chemical company on earth and they are almost entirely dependent on fossil fuel revenue to this day to the keep the Kingdom's lights on... Plus they were already caught conspiring to try and stop the growth of EV's... Check out the clip on KZbin of its CEO in a hot mic scenario I believe...

[@stickynorth]

@@samchickensandwich23 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... NOPE. I see you're the FUD monster of "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" What a bloody maroon!

[@stickynorth]

@@ronvandereerden4714 Bingo! Saudi Aramco and ExxonMobil have massive marketing budgets for a reason.. And it's not to convince us that we need oil... It's that we can't live with the alternatives... Total FUD funders from the beginning....

[@flutieflambert]

Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that Chinese government subsidies are making their products more competitive. How is that a bad thing? All that proves is that capitalism can’t compete against a capitalist/socialist hybrid government. That’s not a bad thing unless you’re a billionaire capitalist. And pardon me if I don’t shed a tear for billionaires.

[@fabmanly1070]

Don’t mention any word on the net that ends in ism’ it sends US citizens into fits of uncontrollable spasms.

[@nathangriffiths6218]

If the US hadn't subsidised it's own auto industry to the tune of $80 billion by bailing them out after the GFC there wouldn't even be any US car companies to complain about Chinese competitors getting subsidised.

[@ferwgffwedfwe]

billionaires dont give a fk if you shed a piss

[@koiyujo1543]

Uh dude as a socialist, china is not capitalist it's a bu'nch of bs from neo libe'rial and libe'rial and capit'alist propag'anda It's a socialist country and of course it's economy is a Market socialist economy it has nothing with capitalist do your research dude... like just no don't always listen to what people tell you because you should still always try to do your own research because they will lie to you trust me on that one unless you trust places with actual good informaiton and actually shows data on a vid like how I use YT for mostly my reserach tool which I try to be careful of who I listen and learn from what source their some good ones I could recommend if ya like chap and a pretty good one too economy wise

[@reuireuiop0]

​@@ferwgffwedfwe Kind of missed the point dude. OP basically said a commie govt smartly using capitalist strategies wins out of democratic capitalism. How about that ? Never mind. No one gives a piss what you think anyway.

[@michealwestfall8544]

China has 3 times the population of USA, their pollution is less than 3 times that of USA. Seems fair to me. More people, more industry, more pollution.

[@incognitotorpedo42]

It's not a contest. We all need to get to net zero.

[@hdhdhshscbxhdh4195]

​@@incognitotorpedo42yes everyone needs to get to zero. But when one country does not put much effort into doing so and uses the excuse that a different country is emitting more, that needs to be called out. For the record, on a per capita basis USA is emitting 2x CO2 compared to China. Also on a historical basis (since previously emitted CO2 still contributes to climate change and don't disappear) USA also emitted 2x compared to China in nominal CO2 emissions (without even adjusting for population).

[@zuriyel5368]

It's 4.1 times the population of USA, but it's a good point to make.

[@domokun845]

Minor correction it's 4.2x the population of the US. 1.412 billion vs 333 million.

[@jesan733]

Asia has 81% of global coal consumption. China alone 55%. India 12%. The US 6% and Europe 6%. Obsessing about the US doesn't help us fix the climate.

[@jaimiepotts]

As a westerner all I can say is - thank God China is taking the climate crisis seriously. Meanwhile, we have a second Trump presidency looking likely.

[@majian123123]

the CO2 and pulltion produced per person each year in the west are much higher than the chinese individual produced. the fact is that we have more people. you have developed and polluted for last over 100 years, .Do we deserve a better life in China?you enjoy your life and produce co2, Does chinese people are not human? we even produce less than you today for induvidual. the western talks a lot equality, do you think we desever equal life? however, we still keeping reducing co2 each year and protect our environment while you keep criticize us.

[@majian123123]

such a shame for you to say that

[@mr.person1219]

@@majian123123 China still produces more carbon emissions overall, due to population. It's like saying this is a better value on a sale when you're still paying for more. Although, I'm so proud of China and Xi, for pushing for the green market. We criticize you because most Westerners don't see outside of selfish egotism and the sinophobia towards the Chinese government.

[@John-yx6yz]

Come on, that Uyghur oppression claim is just bogus. I just watched an English couple touring Xinjiang, there are mosques everywhere, the locals speak Uyghur, signs are in Mandarin and Uyghur/ bilingual, the metro stations are clean and efficient and everyone's going about their daily lives. There are dozens of these videos on KZbin but the algorithm will simply show you the oppression stuff first.

[@seaskyguy]

Was going to give him a thumbs up until he mentioned this bogus issue.

[@kevinlin4895]

​@@seaskyguyI think he did it intentionally to forestall any accusations that this is paid CCP propaganda

[@iamsheep]

The Uyghur genocide claims are insane. There were a few years of terrorism and you could even say that the clamp down on the terrorism was very heavy handed, but to claim genocide is a total lie. The Uyghurs I’ve met in China was glad the extremists were arrested. One girl who wanted to live a secular life said it was starting to turn into Afghanistan over there where young people coming out of night clubs would be accosted or beaten for drinking.

[@EF-rj5gp]

@@iamsheep agree

[@adairjanney7109]

You need to educate yourself and watch the China Show, there is DEF a genocide and you are just seeing a state sponsored and controlled visit

[@kimcartmill4190]

Once again The US is accusing China of doing what the US does. Remember the US selling very cheap corn to countries of South America. Those countries stopped producing corn, so the US then simply raised the price.

[@olafsigursons]

China think 1984 was an instruction book.

[@astebbin]

Don’t forget the US auto industry bailouts circa 2009.

[@dc37009]

An infantily simplistic summary... So, your saying by comparison China's the good guy (Lame).

[@nathangriffiths6218]

A tale as old as time - back in the 1700s the world centre of cotton textile production was Bengal, India but after it's domestic market was flooded with cheap, popular cloth from India the British introduced the Calico Acts banning the importation of cotton textiles into England. The British then began importing raw Indian cotton to make textiles domestically, which lead to the development of mechanisation of production and Britain itself becoming a world centre of textile production and ironically exporting cloth manufactured from Indian cotton back to India.

[@mmparker42]

​@dc37009 not simplistic at all! Gave lots of facts. In 10 years, China will be the world's superpower and the US will have to suck it up!

[@punditgi]

Time to follow China's lead and go all in on renewable energy, grid improvements, and battery storage.

[@katherinemahon9471]

I think we should go to water powered cars, cars that make hydrogen and run on hydrogen. We can't make enough electricity for cars and buses without using fossil fuels to create electricity.

[@ElwoodEBlues]

​@@katherinemahon9471estimations made by German energy Trusts state that the complete electrification auf Motor traffic would increase the demand for electric energy by just twenty percent. This "we cannot produce enough electric energy for all the cars" argument is popular here in Germany as well but nevertheless not valid.

[@johnnodge4327]

​@@katherinemahon9471 Last weeks video proved the opposite.

[@thingusbingus1268]

​@@katherinemahon9471I'm an electrical engineer this is simply not true. Hydrogen cars are the biggest waste of energy because batteries get the job done for way cheaper, and more energy efficiently. Additionally fossil fuel powered heating and electrification are INCREDIBLY inefficient technologies. For your average car only about 40% of the energy stored in fossil fuel is used to push the car forward. In an electric car, transferring energy from the powerplant to a charging station to a battery to the motors has a round trip efficiency 70-80%. This means we would need HALF as much total energy if we electrify systems. And for a country like USA with so much land it's incredibly easy to build out renewable energy

[@BrentonSmythesfieldsaye]

@@katherinemahon9471 "cars that make hydrogen and run on hydrogen." - Let us know when that product has arrived. 😂

[@5kribbles]

Why is it fine for western companies to outsource all of their production to China to reduce cost of goods sold in US and Europe. But as soon as Chinese companies start producing their own goods and selling them competitively in US and Europe everyone loses their minds. Why should prefer wealthy western shareholders profiting from Chinese production over Chinese business owners and the Chinese state, because I really don't.

[@jhunt5578]

You should care because it harms our economies. China don't just allow companies from the West to go in. Many are banned. And if they get in they must partner with a Chinese company and share profits. The only acception I know of is Tesla, China bent the rules for them because they wanted to learn and grow their EV market.

[@fenrirgg]

Because it benefits their own countries. If Chïnëse companies take the production and market then it affects their industries so they try to stop that. Most countries try the same including Chïnä.

[@dogbreath6974]

@@jhunt5578 Yeah I feel sorry for Apples economy, they must be nearing bankruptcy.

[@antred11]

Everyone with 2 brain cells to rub together has known for decades that all this outsourcing nonsense would eventually lead to China soaking up all the technological know-how and then outdoing the West and beating it at its own game, but all these "sMaRT" capitalist CEO douchebags knew better, of course. 🤡

[@G11713]

Wealthy western elites don't seem to eagerly pay their share of taxes or advocate for public spending on Healthcare, environmental protection, public financing of elections, etc. In fact, to the extent Chinese elites aren't pushing fossil fuels aren't they a net benefit in comparison? Lol.

[@mengsiongkheng113]

I just returned from a trip to China; blue sky, clean air, quiet road due to many EVs. It is amazing what EVs are doing to the environment.

[@peterka4440]

really? i lived in China for many years, sometimes you couldn't even see the buildings on the other side of the road due to smog

[@风都树影]

@@peterka4440when did you live there? I visited Shanghai and Zhengzhou in 2015 and the smog was suffocating. Fast-forward to 2024 - after two trips there, I can safely say that the difference is night and day…

[@jackdiao4576]

​@@风都树影 I've been traveling to China every other year since I moved to the US in 2012. The turnaround point of the smog issue is probably 2016/17. 2009 to 2015 were the worst years. Since 2017, I could say my hometown has had better air quality on average than the US cities I've lived in, as the air quality has been significantly worse than 10 years ago here in Texas. Also the season and places you visit affect your experience and impression as well. Northern China still suffers from the problem in the winter sometimes due to sandstorms from Golbi, peak energy demand from coal, and geography (wind direction and mountain ranges).

[@tomtube1012]

There's a video from a French News Agency on this from 6 years ago (2018) called : "Blue skies in China's capital spark joy, scepticism"

[@tomtube1012]

They made huge improvements and has been pretty clean for the last 6 years.

[@annkoh8653]

I want to set d record straight as someone who lived in China for 2 decades & had travelled to Xinjiang several times in d course of that period that there's NO genocide of any sort going on there. Period.

[@koiyujo1543]

wait wait wait... hold on really? than wtf is going on western propaganda? as a gen z american socialist it's hard for me to learn stuff because I'm constantly learning new stuff besides that I do wanna ask How can I know your actually living in china?

[@annkoh8653]

@@koiyujo1543 Don't take my word for it. Experience it for yrself. It's open to anyone wanting to visit. Xinjiang is truly a beautiful place. Sceneries, food, culture & d people.

[@cmartinmnl]

@@koiyujo1543 You can see other Americans and other nationalities who post their videos of Xinjiang and post the opposite of what western main stream media says with word like could, may or might but still does not provide actual evidence! But better still just see for yourself and take a trip! Just be forewarned! You might be disappointed finding out that mainstream media has been feeding you false information all these years! One reason I stopped reading and watching them and started traveling around myself!

[@Ryanflees]

@@koiyujo1543 This is something weird with western youth. When you ask them do they trust media or the governments they'd say no. Then when you ask if they believe the negative impression of China which was propagated by the western governments and MSM, they say yes.

[@jetli740]

@@koiyujo1543 cn must be crap at genocide? not able to make 1 dead uighur for the west to have it story. beside 115m visitor to xinjiang not a single photo of force labour western keep claim about.

[@richardhasler6718]

China is a relative newcomer to C02 pollution and the historic efforts of Europe and the USA, over many, many decades got us all into difficulty before the Chinese economy even got going. Add to that the efforts of the Chinese to tack swift action to clean up their power generation and transport systems far quicker than Europe or USA suggests that the problem lies elsewhere.

[@LackofFaithify]

Don't see any contradictions in being the worlds largest user of Coal, having the highest number of new coal plants planned/under construction and being considered, "green?" I'm sure with all of the EVs and green energy the air quality in China must be at the least not getting even worse.....

[@riceball4u172]

Don't forget, most of the CO2 are outsourced from western countries.

[@maggiechan33]

The West has been polluting since the beginning of their ~1760 industrial revolution.

[@RonanGallagherBand]

Totally agree. European and US Legacy Auto industries sat on their hands for years in the hope they could find a solution that still required production of ICE cars to continue for the lucrative parts market. They allowed disrupters like BYD and Tesla get a major foothold in the game and are now seeking to lobby Europe and the US to put a hold on Chinese imports to protect themselves from their own incompetence and hubris.

[@mmparker42]

Couldn't agree more!

[@dannydenison6253]

Chinas been absolutely kicking ass in the battle against climate change. And for that alone is enough to gain my praise

[@goldreverre]

别相信共产党的胡说八道。

[@cwd5736]

I rather supporting companies with communism( affordable goods for consumers ) than capitalism ( overpriced goods for consumers). At the end of the day all businesses making money from paycheck worker and poor people. The rich always be richer!

[@willeisinga2089]

America has NATO, AUKUS, QUAD. And the best War Industry in the World. 888 Billion every year for Warfare. The most Budget in the World. So What??? Kneel and Obey. EU does, Japan does, Phillipines does. Taiwan does. Ukraine does. Australia does.

[@KonglengLee-t6l]

Dont forget double headed snake India

[@williamgarcia1909]

CHINA DOES NOT.

[@jesan733]

That's good.

[@maggiechan33]

China and Russia DOES NOT and they WON'T. The majority of the global nations are turning away from the US, even allies Saudi Arabia, Turkey + Thailand. NATO can't even win the Ukraine war, and they will lose.

[@maggiechan33]

Your time is ending.

[@fliprim]

Awesome.... best yet summary. I have been writing this stuff for the last couple of years, but here it is collated and enumerated. I shall be linking here often.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thank you. I really appreciate your feedback :-)

[@FLPhotoCatcher]

I think that the man he interviewed was too pro-China. China is running *concentration camps* for crying out loud. We don't need more cheap (in all senses of the word) stuff. The stuff most people have is cluttering their houses and yards, and is polluting their air, water, and land. It soon ends up in landfills and dumps, and pollutes almost all of our air and water. Both R and D admins support the big tariff, and so do I. We need more manufacturing here in America, and promoting Chinese goods is not how to get there.

[@rosemarymcbride3419]

turns out planning your economy beyond just maximizing profits in the next quarter is a good way to do things

[@jamesrowlands8971]

Who knew? And the hilarious irony is that Chinese spent the 70s, 80s and 90s going to Western universities to learn key fields like economics, and engineering. They learned the useful bits from us, while we were ahead, and then applied them with their own theories and won.

[@sowireless]

Capitalism with Chinese characteristics. However, they have had some significant misallocations of capital. Namely real estate, but then again we have had the same kinds of things because of the boom bust nature of our Western capitalism model. They argument is that the so-called free market will self-correct faster than the socialism paradigm. They are sure kicking our ass in sunrise technologies and industries however. Opened up a can of whoop ass on us, as this video so graphically portrays. We are all going to see how this game plays out. So far it's not looking that great for Western capitalism, captured by a dying industry, and taking the entire edifice down with it.

[@jamesrowlands8971]

@@sowireless the scary thing is the industries that have captured our state are mostly related to the national security apparatus. Meta, Lockheed Martin, Boeing. They get to kill whistleblowers and journalists with impunity, while sending weapons to Nazis and Zionists simultaneously. And not for ideological reasons. But because they want to transfer the wealth of societies into the hands of their shareholders. And the greatest irony of all is that it was the violence around Tiananmen Square in 1989, which landlocked them. The West was happily selling arms to China until then. But then implemented sanctions, forcing the Chinese to return to a mix of domestic defence aquisitions & Russian assistance.

[@Awaken2067833758]

@@sowireless We all saw the "free market self correct" thing. The bubble explodes, citizens pay the bills and the marke keeps doing the same thing

[@jesan733]

@@jamesrowlands8971 a bit early to say they won, eh?

[@lordk.gaimiz6881]

It's refreshing to see someone pointing at the bad parts of a country without demonizing it into oblivion. I hope to see more people getting on board of that.

[@theotherandrew5540]

If you talk to Chinese people who have lived there, you’ll find the media make a HUGE fuss about a small problem, and much of the reporting in, to put it kindly, “dubious”.

[@lordk.gaimiz6881]

@@theotherandrew5540I mean dubius reporting happens everywhere, I'm just hoping (perhaps naively) that it happens less as time goes on. Regardless, have a good one ^^

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@theotherandrew5540 You also get dissent silenced. Naiomi Wu "had [her] wings clipped" in the last year.

[@theotherandrew5540]

@@jamesphillips2285Dissenters from the UK government policy on the war in Gaza? I have “dissented”:from the mainstream view of the war in Ukraine, but I can’t get anyone to publish my views. The BBC ridicules such views, especially when expressed by a Russian or someone who has actually lived there.

[@sergeykish]

@@theotherandrew5540 Have you "dissented" from the mainstream view of WW2? Holocaust? 1938 Germany occupied and annexed Austria and Czechia. 2014, 2022 Russia occupied and annexed Ukraine.

[@kenlau4649]

37% of China's electricity production is renewable. 67.7% of new capacity is renewable 2024. Let that sink in.

[@JohnBinay]

This video deserves much more views!

[@mangothing1604]

Nothing wrong with government subsidies if they improve the lot of everyone in society.

[@morganangel340]

I don't want my taxes to go to woke people who buy glorified golf carts.

[@Meng-v9j]

The problem is that Chinese EV doesn't have a subsidy, and its price in other countries is much more expensive than China..

[@kaiserleo1383]

but only in China not in US and EU

[@mafarmerga]

Here in the US State of Georgia officials have promised billions to EV and battery manufacturers. To pretend that we are not guilty of government subsidies is pure bollocks.

[@Pecisk]

Subsidies are only way West capital can be made interested in tackling even lip service change for climate.

[@alfredotto7525]

China's ev industry is being paid for by us. And Europeans. This is like yelling at the cow for being outside because you left the barn door open.

[@TankEnMate]

There is one big difference between the Chinese direct subsidies and the US direct subsidies; the Chinese subsidies are paid to the manufacturers per car manufactured, the US subsidies are paid to the purchaser per car bought. So this makes it economically profitable for Chinese companies to dump overseas but it doesn't make it economically profitable for US manufacturers to do the same. Obviously some have posited that these forms of Chinese subsidies are deliberately done this way to harm non Chinese manufacturers.

[@douglashurd4356]

@@TankEnMate Review the video from 5:20 to 6:10.

[@jmanakajosh9354]

​@@TankEnMate Scale the idea that we spend hundreds of millions and China spends trillions and the idea two are comparable is CRAZY

[@chipgrono5237]

Info in here may be, all available elsewhere, but you did a great job at consolidating it and presenting it 🙏🏻

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thank you :-)

[@joselu9023]

Just saw your program the first time. I like its objectivity and impartiality plus the very effective low-key non-bombastic approach. Thank you so much.

[@peterjohn5834]

Stunning report. I have traveled to China on many occasions and have witnessed the pollution in the sky and also in the ground water. The Chinese are serious in reducing their emissions and are acting with vigour to improve the lot of their population. In the interim we in the west are hamstrung by politicians lobbying on behalf of oil and gas companies. Our media does not delve deep enough to discover the truth and we are treated like mushrooms. Keep up the great work. Cheers.

[@cathyhaynes2903]

Complaining about the Chinese making electric cars and solar capacity at a price that normal people, making the low wages that our corporate overlords pay, can afford; what a load of crap.

[@jeremyprovence4942]

Capitalism will ALWAYS sacrifice anyone and anything that does not make a profit for them.

[@Pecisk]

And that is biggest difference here. China motives are also relativistic of course, but they are winning this game because capital is incredibly bad with giving up short term profits for long term benefits, especially now.

[@jensstubbestergaard6794]

80% of fortune 500 support ESG, CBAM and ETS, so it turns out the majority of large capitalistic corporations employ management with brains that prefer their future markets to remain healthy and thriving. The entirety of the fossil fuels clusters in US economy represent 4.8% of the economy, so if they were overnight disrupted the US economy would be sent back to 2022 levels. I am Danish and we are home to the largest corporation in Europe far larger than all EU fossil fuels cluster companies combined and two of our largest companies have divested fossil fuels and we would have dropped any further fossil fuels leases except for the Putin war time pressure.

[@kevins4815]

You work for free do you?

[@jensstubbestergaard6794]

@@kevins4815 Sure I do. I am member of a couple of clubs where I volunteer for charities and do some training sessions for other club members. The simple point I made is that villyfying corporations and claiming that capitalist doesn't want climate ation is just too simplified.

[@ttuliorancao]

​@@jensstubbestergaard6794dude, if you look up the composition of those ESG stocks indexes you'll find lots of oil companies. So much for environment 😂

[@achenarmyst2156]

Fantastic content. And no ads and sponsorships are a massive achievement. No wonder Dave‘s channel is getting ever growing attention in the scene. Thanks from a long term subscriber.

[@Liminghwa]

That picture of Uyghur detention was actually a drug rehabilitation center. They are allowed to get out in the square and watch various live shows, having banners saying "embrace art, not drugs". It's funny how that picture get used over and over again, even by well intentioned (i.e., no anti-China agenda) videos like this.

[@prasitclinic3058]

I live in Thailand. Chinese EV cars have a big market share.

[@timeenoughforart]

China at 31% of Coal and the US at 13% still leaves the US at a significantly higher per capita use of coal.

[@stickynorth]

And with fewer plans to replace or phase it out...

[@dannydenison6253]

And we should always get into, who is the worlds factory? Essential countries exporting their coal usage. Who has 4 times the population, and is still developing? Portion of gdp spent on the transition? On so so so many levels. China is leading the charge to a green society.

[@r.1599]

62% - 66% of China's electricity was generated from fossil fuels in 2023. 60% of US electricity was generated from Fossil fuels in 2023.

[@shanecollie5177]

@@r.1599 Inconvenient facts don't compute with the morons here.

[@ClownCarCoup]

But significantly lower using GDP.

[@haroldwood1394]

The La Trobe Valley in Australia not only sold off its state-owned coal-fired generation system, but at governmental and union levels fought against clean renewables. The local communities were deskilled and unemployed; manufacturing moved offshore. 'Proudly designed in Australia' but actually made in China represented much of Australia's technological response.

[@jamesrowlands8971]

I'm from that region. One of the truly rust-belted parts of Australia; with chronic disease and unemployment leading to premature deaths in what is otherwise a country where people have good outcomes.

[@haroldwood1394]

@@jamesrowlands8971 Hello, James. I went to the Traralgon Technical school. Because of its connection to the then SEC and to the paper mill, it had an excellent set of workshops and science labs, etc. It produced people who went on to be world-class engineers and experts in computing. We were learning about solar power and wind generation back in the late 60's and 70's. The jump to communities based around renewable energy could certainly have been made - all the skills were there. However, the coal unions (much of the CFMEU) and the Kennett Liberal government opposed these changes, and the government simply sold off the SEC and the livelihoods of the communities in the area. Businesses, like Kayser, which were making profits, dumped their workers and went overseas to make bigger profits. There are reasons why the region is rust-belted; it wasn't always that way. I'm sure that you already know this. Best wishes to you.

[@sowireless]

Technological disintermediation. It comes whether you want it or not. The question is, are you riding The wave as the Chinese apparently are doing, or are you being crushed by it. The wave is coming no matter what.

[@haroldwood1394]

@@sowireless Agreed. I recall learning about and even trying to make alternative energy sources as a student in the La Trobe Valley. The government of the time and the coal unions actively opposed movement towards renewables.

[@jamesrowlands8971]

@@haroldwood1394 were they libs or were they telling the truth?

[@angelic8632002]

We have a bit of a myopic view on economics here in the West, in my opinion. If it doesn't vibe with capitalism, it doesn't happen. Problem being, capitalistic systems cant deal with every eventuality. Climate change being a prime example. What it all comes down to is that a few decades of stagnant growth while we figure things out is a lot more manageable than what would happen if we don't get our act together, fast. The economic cost alone would be catastrophic, to the point of being incalculable. Not to mention the humanitarian and ecological aspect.

[@Pecisk]

Capitalism is good at effectively siphoning resources. That is all. It really does not do any changes well.

[@angelic8632002]

@@Pecisk Yea, all adjustment are made retroactively. Which is a huge problem.

[@AllisterSanchez]

This is a very intelligent and nuanced presentation based on facts. Thanks!!!

[@OddRagnarDengLerstl]

Overcapasity isn't an issue in a free market. China is basically exporting deflation, i.e lower prices. USA on the other hand is exporting inflation through it's dollar.

[@JasonSmith-jv7wl]

0 surprises for anyone who actually understands how a non-capitalist company operates. They can organize things for the long term instead of being forced to constantly shoot themselves in the foot for short term boosts to make shareholders happy.

[@jonathandewberry289]

China's government took a massive amount of it's people's wealth to subsidize a huge glut of EVs that lose money for no other purpose but to try and kill Euro and other EV car companies. You think about that for a while.

[@Pecisk]

Yep, West obsession with wealth has come to its head. Funny enough West after WWII would be able to tackle global warming. Not anymore.

[@gugutvil5245]

The trend of looking at short term is not inherent to the capitalist system. it is more to do with the way public companies are working, and not all companies work in this way. While the Chinese system could work, it will not. The reason is that when you have a very strong leader, who is there for too long - it will fail, it always did and and always will.

[@PhilippeOrlando]

You got it!

[@colorpg152]

@@gugutvil5245 and here comes to anarco cap apologist "if something went wrong its the government's fault even when another non capitalistic government is clearly doing it better"

[@sportsonwheelss]

Muslim nations have no problem wirth the Xingjian issue. Western nations don't seem to like Muslim much but somehow very concern about Chinese Muslim.

[@FernandoAntonioCanu]

On 2019 OIC, the Organization of Islamic Countries, sent its delegation to China, just to verify if the huge amount of rumours, relevant to the Chinese behavior about the MUSLIM Uyghurs, had a real base. After the inspection, OIC issued a report, OIC/CFM-46/2019/RES/FINAL, where they COMMENDED CHINA due to its favourable behavior regarding Muslim Uyghurs. The so called "Uyghur genocide/forced labor" issue was a legend, created by the British Services, helped by an Australian strategic service named ASPI, all inside a building, simply using satellite shot images, AND A VALUABLE AMOUNT OF CREATIVITY 😊😊😊

[@durwoodmaccool890]

Great video again, thanks Dave! Awesome to see Micheal, I'm a big fan of his stuff on Cleantechnica. If the US wants to promote human rights, it could do a lot right at home. Lead by example.

[@dongningprc]

As a Chinese living in the North America, I have to say: 1. as discussed in the video, clustering is giving Made in China a HUGE boost. Say in Shenzhen, Guangdong, you can pretty have ALL the capacity you need from PCB design to SMT in a SAME building in an industrial zone. A designer can just rush his/her way to another stair in the same building to see his/her design implemented in 3 days if necessary, if not faster. This, of course, is providing an "unfair" cost advantage to the western counterparts; 2. Education system: while the whole western education system is increasingly concentrating on agendas like fair right, the Chinese education system is still focusing on STEM. A huge difference. If you don't have enough low/mid level engineers, even AI can't save your bvtt, needless to say even implementing AI in a scale itself, also needs a LOT of low/mid level engineers. If the education system is not able to produce these manpower, problem. These are systematic, as well as unionization, short working weeks, etc etc etc. There is nothing called a free lunch in the world, no matter in the East, or in the West

[@same.6409]

Essentially we have been talking about the global warming for decades, and turns out China is the only country who's serious about it.

[@dominicwalsh3888]

China's contribution to global progress is always overlooked, and that's a result of both racism and the stigmsatisation of communism. It's interesting to me that you went with the media line in discussing oppression in China, and mentioned the Uighur community. These issues are real, but, you're normally good at looking at the numbers. I challenge you to look at and discuss the incarceration rates in China compared with "western" countries, and also their racial makeup compared to the balance of those countries. Then ask yourself why you felt the way you did about the situation without having looked at the numbers.

[@EcoKiwiMagazine]

I agree that it's not just an interesting point, but actually an important detail that needs not be merely brushed over, but also highlighted and put in context. Similarly, Elon Musk's Tesla factories have "freedom" from union strength in numbers but that appears to be having very real world consequences on workers who are not Euro descent male engineering types with a tendency toward racism and sexism. It's a different level of abuse than mass incarceration of minorities in their own home provinces or own "country," but still an indication of an unnecessary tragedy that the great new wall of renewable tech leading us into the future is being built on the sweat, blood, and graves of good people. - And, at 15:45, the 'Ave a Think bloke does mention the Uighur abuse issue as an example, not the only case... or is that the problem, to you, Dominic Walsh? Are you trying to say the situation is worse or at least equitable in western/Five Eyes countries?

[@dominicwalsh3888]

@@EcoKiwiMagazine the problem is worse in "western" countries. Racial abuse and police targeting are massive problems, and numerically far worse than what China is doing, but it's always given a pass, while everyone takers the time to mention China's inequalities.

[@jackdiao4576]

It's strange for you to say the suppression issues are real. The Uygurs and other minority groups are indeed treated unequally, they were exempt from the one-child policy when it was in effect, it's easier to get higher education as they get bonus points in the College Entrance Exam, and it is easier to be elected as government officials especially in the autonomous regions (Yes, there's elections in China and the voter's turnout rate is higher than the US). The whole "genocide/forced labor" is just fabricated propaganda by the CIA. There was a KZbin video posted in 2014 about a former CIA official talking about how the US was planning to fabricate this very propaganda in the next few years, and guess what, in 2017 it became a thing. I can't find that video anymore, probably been taken down. Around the same time, CIA started to fund some independent vloggers to spread lies about China. The best example is serpentza on KZbin. His video content used to be focusing on real life experience in China, and overnight, it became anti-China hate videos and he now lives in the US as a KZbinr while being a South African (it's clear how he got his citizenship/resident status). If we look at what's really happening in Xinjiang, the people who were put into the "reeducational camps" were involved with, mostly brainwashed by, the group that was responsible for terrorist attacks around 2009/2010. I guess not many Westerners know that Xinjiang borders Afghanistan and Pakistan. The "camp" is a prison but also a school, it is there to teach them enough skills to find a job, the total number is a few hundred, but there are over 10 million Uyghurs in China. To clarify, there was also a version of schools, where people voluntarily participated because it's essentially free education, and functions not different than boarding schools. In the end, everybody participated had graduated in or before 2019, it's not even a thing anymore. If you don't believe it, travel to Xinjiang and ask the Uyghur people yourself, as there are no restrictions to enter the region at all. Or you can find tons of vloggers' videos on KZbin from different countries.

[@kevindexterpattee]

Thank you for the non-biased and informative content. Really interesting stuff:)

[@rossglory4631]

re subsidies, every major country used subsidy and protectionism to initially grow their economies. and most still use them (uk is subsidising companies to set up in the uk after brexit scared them off).

[@petergilbert72]

Certainly China could be the West’s best ally in combating global heating and all its unpleasant consequences.

[@Sideritis]

Subsidies to Intel and Elon Musk from the United States are normal, but Chinese subsidies to electric cars and their own lithographs for creating processors are bad and not fair...

[@mafarmerga]

Put a border adjusted tax on CO2 instead of directly on EVs. That would solve two problems at once. Level the playing field and getting them to move away from coal energy production

[@charlesashurst1816]

It can’t be China is better at capitalism than we are. Can it?

[@Pecisk]

Industrialism. Other economic systems can and have produced goods. Problem for West is that their industrial creativity has been replaced by profits all the time. But they can't blame themselves, can they.

[@greg5023]

Totalitarianism for sure.

[@mangothing1604]

Not totalitarianism. It's the government working for the benefit of society. The only difference is that the government decides what's good for society vs. private companies. America needs to get over unfettered capitalism as the panacea for everything.

[@charlesashurst1816]

@@mangothing1604 I agree that extremely concentrated corporate power in the USA is a threat not only to our democracy but our capacity to face challenges such as our greenhouse gas emissions. Once wealth and power get so concentrated that they can't be successfully challenged, it's not just the end of democracy; it's extinction. And you know, China has a different but in some ways similar problem. Xi Jin Ping has amassed so much concentrated power that no one can challenge him. The result is a society that can't or won't self-correct when it goes wrong.

[@charlesashurst1816]

@@mangothing1604 The like heeyuge problem for the USA right now. The South has risen again and wants to turn the USA into one big 19th century slave plantation. Think Walt Disney's Song of the Fucking South. The fuckers just might pull it off too. They are so close. Will the USA fail in the grand experiment of citizen rule? Stay tuned.

[@red_skeleton]

Tackling climate change should be an all hands on deck/we're all in this together type of moment. The time for anti-China propaganda, reactionary tariffs, crippling embargos and sanctions needs to end. It's too big of a problem for any single country to tackle, we need to learn how to work together (mostly criticizing the aggressive approach of Western foreign policy, if that weren't obvious).

[@Pecisk]

We will fall divided. Unfortunately I feel this end becomes more and more real.

[@red_skeleton]

@@Pecisk It's certainly hard to remain hopeful. I believe the US would rather destroy the planet than relinquish an iota of power.

[@keithv3767]

@@red_skeletonHmmm. You think the U.S. is the problem. Ok, you’re stating your opinion in free and open media and you will receive no knock at the door jailing you for stating that opinion because the platform you are using is in the U.S. If you lived in China, would you have that luxury? When Russia invaded Ukraine, a lot of Europeans came out of their delusion that the U.S.’s military has been built only for world domination. Maybe there is some wisdom in having a NATO able to defend our mutual interests? And maybe NATO needs to have military might strong enough to dissuade dictators who really do seek domination.

[@kevindrew7621]

Great point Red! I’ve been delusionally imagining that the growing resistance to militarism in both Ukraine and Israel/Gaza, just starting to peak this week, could indicate some unconscious symbiotic realization that militarism, unfettered consumer capitalism and corporate/government control will surely DOOM us all - and that each of us, individually and nationally, must choose logical, creative, effective, loving, collaborative pathways forward instead of the “same old, same old” USA Uber Alles. Hurray for the Chinese people, their govt and their incredible history of making a giant culture work - warts and all!! Please let my delusion be real! Thanks too, JHAT for an inspiring episode!!!

[@12pentaborane]

As much as I agree climate change and greening energy production is an international effort, relying on China to provide products in good faith might be a stretch.

[@jasonleeyp]

Such a great insight. If China can replace green energy with expensive oil and gas, the products they produced would become even more cheaper.

[@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302]

This is so good I'm showing it to my students in high school science in Sydney.

[@davidroetzel5500]

Sometimes economics is just warfare by a different means.

[@nekoJens]

Especially since in China there is no separate economy, it is all part of the CCP state. China seems to have learned more from WW2 than Germany and Japan in that importing energy in the form of oil is posing a huge risk… so yes, China is going all in on renewables, which is also preparing it for a future war by making it less exposed to marine shipping chokepoints.

[@alandalgety4073]

Excellent episode as usual. Thanks for keeping me thinking.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Cheers Alan.

[@YWang-vl2zh]

When China announced 3 years ago that it aims to be carbon neutral by 2060, I thought that was a load of BS. But now that the EVs are good and cheap, it seems very feasible. High EV adoption (and transmission lines + pumped hydro) means China can build more solar and wind generation. It really is a shame that China is under constant fear that LNG ships from the Middle East can be cut off in a heart beat at the strait of Melaka by the US, and is slow to replace coal plants with natural gas ones. But nuclear plus gas pipelines from Russia/Central Asia should help in the long run.

[@user72974]

Bookmarking this for when I need a reference about Chinese climate change myths. Their solar and wind under construction, planned HVDC transmission, them using coal plants as peaker plants and as a last resort, etc. Great video.

[@姚璐]

ev cars are my dream car. despite the difficulty of charging and the problem of battery life. But with powerful power, a sense of technology, and no pollution, the city should limit gas-powered cars

[@LSF0z]

Talk about governance, does anybody notice the governing bodies of China basically made up of engineers and scientists while the US are lawyers, financiers, retired military personnel and celebrities. With the help of lobbyists, you can see where our priorities lie.

[@tomkelly8827]

As a Canadian who has spent some time in China, I can say that I wholeheartedly agree with this video. The vast majority of what is happening in China is by brilliant people who have developed a way of thinking that extends beyond the self and from a very distant past into a very distant future while staying cutting edge at the moment. It is just amazing to see what is happening there. Certainly Tibetans and many others suffer from this great leap forward and it is important to speak out about that too, but on balance I would say that we in the west have so much more blood on our hands

[@sepam82]

If you insist that China government subsidies are making it cheap you can do likewise. However, I suspect that it is not the real reason. There are many areas that led to China's ability to produce lower cost EVs. You have to improve these areas to be competitive.Tariffs make you lazy. No incentive to improve productivity.

There is something important that the video did not mention: China is today the largest emitter of greenhouse gases on the planet, but in per capita terms it emits less than half of the USA (7.1 ton/per person X 14.4 ton/per person). If we combine the populations of what in geopolitics is called the West (USA, EU, UK, Canada, Japan and Australia) we will have a population slightly smaller than that of China (1 billion 350 million people) which emits significantly more greenhouse gases, this while China is the planet's industrial park. What I mean is that if we put the consumption of these groups under a magnifying glass, the difference would be even more aberrant.

[@robinhodgkinson]

I’ve seen the “industry cluster” effect first hand after visiting a bustling six story mall in Shenzhen that was packed with manufacturers and suppliers, big and small, selling every conceivable type of electronic component in quantities from 1 to large plastic bag fulls that looked like 10,000 components - transistors, capacitors etc. It was fascinating.

[@luisostasuc8135]

Us US Americans don't have as much of a leg to stand on criticizing human rights abuses, or unfair business practices. Maybe our corporations should stop whining and buying back their own stock and actually invest in workers and physical assets instead.

[@marshalepage5330]

This argument feels like a contradiction, because a large amount of China's emissions is for western consumption, then western nation preventing trade would also decrease the emissions. If what China was selling were public transportation instead of private EVs then it would be a lot more helpful for the planet than more of the same thing, we already have private vehicles.

[@keithv3767]

I’m not sure. Public transportation also has inefficiencies. Most studies show that autonomous cars in an Uber ride share model would be much more efficient than running half empty trains most the day .

[@olamilekanakala7542]

@@keithv3767 Efficient in what sense? Definitely not space or materials. And I doubt it's overall more energy efficient, either.

[@musiqtee]

The contradiction is just as true within our realm. My country sells gas to Europe, puts the proceeds into a fund that can only “invest” abroad, hiking energy prices also within Norway (common energy market hoax). And we are 95 percent hydroelectric domestically, no gas plants, 9 of 10 new cars are EVs… Buying a home is just as crazy as everywhere else in OECD (worst generational divide as of 2023, report), so who are the real “winners” here…?

[@dogphlap6749]

China produces and exports plenty of electric buses which compete favorably with European and US electric buses in their respective domestic and overseas markets.

[@thingusbingus1268]

You think China doesn't manufacture trains and busses ? You should look up the roll out of public electric powered busses in China. China produces literally everything, do you want to buy it ? No

[@OneEyedMonkey9000]

The stories about Uyghur's repression in Xinjiang are as true as "Star Trek II - The Wrath of Karn". The film clip you showed is just a normal prison. Why not record a special in Xinjiang? Lots of solar farms, + beautiful mountains. Australian's don't even need a tourist visa to go there. .

[@soyoltoi]

It is overblown in the west, but it is still a problem in that being a Uygher, especially an Uygher man with distinct features such as a beard, increases your chances of being profiled or even detained. A lot of the markers outlined by authorities are vague, but it still doesn't compare to what the US has done to muslims. Part of the blame is on the west's war on terror and the global counterinsurgency movement that lead to this shift in China to pre-emptive policing, much of which was in fact directly inspired by Israel (look up 反恐社区警务的理论与实践).

[@MichaelWolfe1000]

Here in Mexico you see more and more Chinese electric cars, but apparently the US has pressured the Mexican government to increase import tariffs.

[@MgWynn]

The answer is simple. China EVs overtook US EVs in sales. When US EVs flooded the world for many years, no one complained about it. Period... 😮😮😮

[@ncandrew1215]

That is a lot to think about. Thanks, Dave, for another great presentation of (sometimes depressing) information!

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thanks for your feedback :-)

[@buscseik]

Very good video, thank you.

[@colinlee9678]

China's overcapacity is in coal fired power plants, not in the manufacturing of clean energy products! This is what Janet Yellen should be addressing!

[@shuaige3360]

I am a European living in China since a while. Impressif how they are pushing hard to accelerate the ecological transition. Hope they will keep pushing hard. We should do the same in the west.

[@Maria-EU]

The EU brands itself as the hub for sustainability but putting tariffs on affordable EVs sure shows what the true values are

[@gummyberryjoos1693]

Great video! Im a political scientist as well as a chinese linguist; this commentary is so valuable!

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@rodrigomohr1277]

China is just far more competitive than the US and Europe. If they are worried about Chinese productivity, they should focus on improving their industrial capabilities.

[@autohmae]

Honestly, the point is: if you do it now, it's probably already to late.

[@bugsygoo]

You also have to ask why it's so competitive. I mean, solar panels have come down in price thanks to China. But using Ugyhr prison labour isn't a great model.

[@ogribiker8535]

Cheap labour, no health and safety, no eco regulation!. Yeah great.

[@autohmae]

@@bugsygoo sure, their is some of that, but you know what the cheapest labor is ? Robotics and automation. Foxconn, 1 of the biggest electronics companies and employers in the world at the time, had their peak number of employees in 2017: 1.3 million, they've automated away almost half of them and production is obviously up as well. What is 1 of the products they make ? industrial robots.

[@rudolfespinola9231]

@@bugsygoo They are far more competitive because they use their resources to develop their industry, education and infrastructure, while the US spends most of their resources on military endeavours abroad, and the Europeans cut themselves from affordable energy from Russia making their industry uncompetitive. Meanwhile China imports energy from Russia, Iran and the rest of the world improving their cost competitiveness even more.

[@gregkobayashi-mcbryde2402]

First, when I was in Beijing in 2019 I was very surprised at how many electric scoters there were. Probably more than half were electric. Second, it is kind of weird that people always mention human rights and freedom when talking about China but when they talk about the USA they never mention that it has the largest prison population on the planet.

[@ClownCarCoup]

Human rights and incarceration rates are separate issues

[@maggiechan33]

The current events is Gaza is exposing the US' multiple human rights problems.

[@maggiechan33]

@@ClownCarCoup Not when there is a large proportion of people of color.

[@FallenLeavesReturnToRoots]

​@@ClownCarCoup incarceration rates ? LOL! That data is online. Go compare China and the US.

[@lucien137]

one thing to notice that the one of the reasons why china pollutes relatively much since 80's, is it exports（mainly for western market）. so some amount of the pollution is actually not only “Chinese”

[@NostromoVA]

Thank you for the comprehensive coverage of this important topic. 😊

[@peterh5165]

A lot of screaming and yelling in the US about how China produces twice as much greenhouse gasses as the US. Yet China has four times the population compared to the US and produces the majority of the goods sold in the US (just try to find small generic items NOT made in China). Math obviously not a strong point with many in the US.

[@marksibley5406]

Your analysis seems spot on. Having travelled to China multiple times for business and pleasure I’ve seen the blistering pace of modernization. Especially when travelling outside the major cities you see this change reflected in ultra-modern and the opposite in close proximity. “Borrowing” Intellectual property has been one factor in their rise, but as you point out choices made a decade or more ago have translated first mover advantage into a hard to compete with force - both in manufacturing and R & D.

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

How is the air pollution though? How are the newly built coal power plants?

[@norb.engineering]

When is your next trip back?

[@ClownCarCoup]

Have you seen “ghost cities? Not all overcapacity can be exported (dumped). I wonder how well a planned (managed)economy mixes with the more organic and slower pace of western capitalism

[@jimgraham6722]

For China it's not just about climate change. More importantly however, combustion of fossil fuels was leading to unacceptable levels of city pollution (think LA 1966). Further, China has poor fossil fuel resources and is heavily dependent on imports to power it's economy. That's a great strategic vulnerability. For China, Tesla came as a revelation. It was quickly realised personal transport could be had without reliance on imported fuel and polluting cities. The incentives were therefore very strong to change the paradigm. Not only that, China realised there were huge export opportunities as many other countries similarly wanted to transition away from fossil fuels. As a consequence, china's great capacity to change its industry on a dime came into play. Five or six years on it is all over red rover.

[@cityofgardenerssg318]

China had very bad air pollution in cities in the 90s. There were many demonstrations against air pollution. She needed to solve this problem fast but no international manufacturers were able to provide the goods. China had to manufacture her own alternative energy equipment and electric cars.

[@straussbolkonsky]

US: *promotes the free market for 100 years* *starts losing in the free market* "the market is bad we have to go back"

[@lachlandoughty545]

Mutually respectful Social and Political engagement, as well as economic between “The West” and China is long overdue.

[@pauljosephsoh1732]

You should visit Xinjiang yourself to see if it is true. Then you will know not to fear China.

[@cwd5736]

Well said. People shouldn't judge other countries unless they could for themselves!

[@damienflinter4585]

Great presentation. Keep educating us.

[@JustHaveaThink]

Thank you. I will do my best :-)

[@maggiechan33]

No nation has the right to interfere in a peaceful country - it is called sovereignty. The former can persuade by exemplary actions or respectful advice, but never intimidation.

[@ml2k8]

Thanks for unbiased, solid review of China commitment in green. It’s ridiculous for US to talk about China overcapacity in green tech… of course it’s overcapacity as it plans to export green tech and this benefit the world as we face climate changes/disasters. Ironically, US is overcapacity on selling weapons… sending weapons around the world, leading to more CO2. Nonstop wars to drive US hegemony / imperialism. China hasn’t invaded a single country in past 40+ years … evil-ize others is what US does. Sad

[@WorkBook-xv2hy]

That's why a 10K € chinese EV costs 25K € in Germany!!!

[@bugfeatures]

Yeah, the hongguang mini ev costs 5000€ in china and more than 10k€ in europe under the name nikrob freze

[@jhunt5578]

The only Chinese EV maker who makes money on EVs is BYD and they get 1% margin. China I'd far too competitive for higher prices. The European and other global markets have room for higher prices.

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

F U average european consumer. How dare u expect to enjoy a cheaper yet better product when that'll reduce your billionaire's wealth?

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

F U avg European consumer. How dare u to expect to get a cheap yet better product in expense of your own billionaires.

[@davidlazarus67]

@@jhunt5578I think more are making money but yes it is still very competitive.

[@bugsygoo]

It's crazy here in China. Every week I see a new EV that I've never seen by a brand I've never heard of. I do wonder if they are setting themselves up for yet another bubble by oversupplying the market and everyone getting on the EV bandwagon. There's form for that in China!

[@jhunt5578]

That happens in a lot of new markets. Consolidation will happen. Only the best EV makers will survive.

[@jamesgrover2005]

Capitalism is over supply. There will be winners and losers. Sometimes the losers are the future generations all around the world.

[@dpsdps01]

That's how chinese smartphone companies started. And now, they dominate the market.

[@davidlazarus67]

China are developing their manufacturing so they can minimise costs when they start selling to the Global Majority.

[@davidlazarus67]

I predicted a decade ago that only Tesla and Chinese brands would dominate. China had a huge advantage. No legacy technology and an industrial policy.

[@philipdenner5690]

The strides made in China should be celebrated. Rather than do that the real centres of political power in the west whose knee jerk reaction to competitors is to set loose their media with false accusations of human rights violations and threaten economic sanctions or war. 500 years of this approach is now coming to an end and the childish statements of US officials such as Yellen or Blinken are a sign of panic. Their deindustrialised and financial used economies simply cannot provide for the needs of their populations.: derivatives do not make up for efficient manufacturing. When the BRICS nations offer a financial settlement system the US$ will wither and the free lunches provided by its former status disappear. The US will no doubt survive given size and resources. The UK would be wise to adopt the scenario you outlined of embracing Chinese companies and expertise. Whether it has the sovereign capacity to do that given it is fused to the US hip remains to be seen.

[@adamperdue3178]

Something tells me that it's quite difficult for the US to have been using any approach towards anything for the last 500 years, given that the country hasn't even existed until about 250 years ago.

[@aaroncosier735]

China has invested heavily in developing their industry and technology. Western nations have invested heavily in making a very few billionaires in tax havens enormously wealthy, and shielding them from any need to change business focus.

[@TheGreatSovietUnion2]

I like how when prices are within reach of the average person, that's *bad, it's "uncompetitive", but when prices are out of reach of consumers... oh, that's how the market is supposed to work. Grade A capitalist logic there. This is why the Chinese are winning.