Justice Joe Williams, Te Ritorito 2017: 'The Treaty of Waitangi and whānau, hapū and iwi wellbeing'

Justice Joe Williams
Te Ritorito 2017: 'The Treaty of Waitangi and whānau, hapū and iwi wellbeing'
3 April 2017
You can download the presentation slides here: www.superu.govt...

[@sylph4721]

Appreciated! 🙏🏼 Great Knowledge drop and very personalized! 😊

[@qt2073]

Tena koe Joe Your insight is invaluable to Maori, Law must be thwart and won by law it would seem that kupe left a legacy to us, our ancestors like you said using plants it is up to the younger ones to carry on what they started.

[@clarancebarasawanyonyi9697]

Amen

[@clarancebarasawanyonyi9697]

How are you there l am Clarance barasa OF Jesus Christ church may God bless you amen

[@ngapuhiwahinetoa]

😇🖤🤍♥️🦋

[@oratere01]

Masterclass from a Master.

[@clarancebarasawanyonyi9697]

How are you there l am Rve Clarance barasa OF Jesus Christ church in Kenyan l am requesting you my brother to support my church may God bless you

[@clarancebarasawanyonyi9697]

Amen

[@roxannesalele4233]

Kia ora, is there anyway to view the presentation please? the link provided above doesn't seem to work.

[@pascallesavage9124]

Kia Ora fantastic Korero thankyou

[@clarancebarasawanyonyi9697]

How are you there

[@clarancebarasawanyonyi9697]

How are you there

[@bunyinjbhadi7212]

"Show me the Waitangi Treaty in the Correct-Parse-Syntax-Grammar for the Voidance of the Perjury".

[@abc-ke2yq]

Jahbless joe onelove brother

[@Ladyxf28]

Joe Williams for prime Minister

[@tonygee3284]

The treaty is being dissolved

[@kingfillins4117]

Wrong. Not she did not supposedly say “a long white cloud”. The white part was added by a more contemporary poet. Joe Williams account is based on oral translations. So who knows what really happened. He also wrong about the seafaring. The Viking sailed to America in 11 Century. A similar distance to Polynesian navigators. It is possible Chinese ships made it as far as NZ before Maori arrived. The concept of property is a northern idea? Really so when Maori commuted genocide and stole land, That wasn’t about property? No Maori saw that an Iwi “belonged” to a place like that place in Taupo, and thought, “I’ll have that thanks” and killed then all? He says that the principle of kinship and The idea of property in something is a norther concept, however the principle of property isn’t just about having it just to have it. It’s often about kinship family and obligation in the west. That being at times central to concept of property. Property in this respect also means an attribute, quality, or characteristic of something, for a reason. Dies the ban not recognize his own whakapapa? He an Anglo Celt. His Whakapap is Williams. No idea about owning a river or mountain, but suddenly Maori are all about that now. Whakapapa id how knowledge is rationalised and rendered tangible in western sciences. Does he seriously not realise that the west has concepts of rights and obligations? Of Tapu, of mana ute katiaga are all part of western culture. No the new system was not so different. Yeah mana can be about the individual like utu. Yes the right of the individual like Christ. He is making a.clash. He is inventing a clash and misrepresenting the mixing up what he’s talking about and why. He thinks in terms of superiority so he is not assessing the subject accurately. Maori society consisted of elite, commoner and slaves. The elite were the central government. They did things behind the backs of their communities and sent them into war to steal property etc.

[@hokimoki3677]

Shuuudup

[@kevynharris1217]

Astronauts? They navigated the seas, not Space.

[@ipuabsolum5558]

ataahua

[@MO-ss4vn]

You

[@shanehintz4934]

Got your snout deep in the trough eh joe

[@stephenhoward7454]

Kaimanawa Wall NZ ancient civilisation being covered up by government cant destroy these monster blocks!

[@zypheralexander837]

Machine language is not a legal language in new Zealand

[@leannebrownie1449]

Māori is an official language of Aotearoa NZ

[@ourpeople-g7r]

@@leannebrownie1449 English is no longer spoken in New Zealand. Te reo Maori is spoken and the other language that is spoken is Gibberish.

[@monilovelovemoni]

Was Kupe Samoan ? Lol

[@ClariSSa50067]

more eastern most likely, the hawaiki zone is thought to encompass eastern polynesia like rarotonga and tahiti, rarotongan is sometimes called rarotongan maori for some people as they sound very similar

[@leshowe8028]

God spoke to Kupe to go to Te moananui a kiwa to find tiritiri o te moana God sent Rongorongo the wahine prophet and her husband came on the aotea waka The prophet King Tawhiao needed God's approval where to place his hat on the map of te ika Maui to designated as God's footstool. The missing link was found in 1953 in te Rohe potae and where the last prophet earth built the home for the spirit Tino rangatiratanga belongs to God the whetumarama 8 point star is the 8 fruits that are equal to the spirit. Mankind struggle just with one and that fruit is Aroha.

[@kingfillins4117]

We’re are Maori living? In cities? How many up north? East coast? Most not in cities. Yet cities are the problem? Who is responsible for Maori culture and behavior? If “Property” is the problem then why are Anglo Celt’s, Indians, Chinese and many Maori not breaking the law and mistreating their children at the same rates? Trauma of the last 100 years? What of the trauma from before colonization and food security, and freedom from Iwi invasions? All people have family. It’s in surnames.

[@ourpeople-g7r]

"Who is responsible for Maori culture and behavior?" The maori people themselves of course.

[@torqingheads]

Upoke is the term for Maori slaves. They were about 80% of the population prior to the Europeans. They were the primary source of protein in what was a horrific degeneration of Polynesian society into rampart structural cannibalism - a period of horror that lasted some 500 years until they were rescued by the European The Maori had come with the original Polynesian caste structure of royals, bonded commoners after being outcast and set adrift on rafts to end up stranded in NZ. Within a recorded period of about 8 generations this then degenerated into 9 different language groups ( no common language) and a horrific two tier ethnically and racially based caste structure. - Ariki / from the original royal elite - these were documented and painted or drawn as lighter to white skinned, wiry, smaller boned, fine featured, thin nose, thin lipped, straight hair, anxious, aggressive cannibalistic ruling class. Upoke / from the original bonded commoners (such bonding or serfdom broke down in NZ as land was unconstrained) and slaves. Upoke or poke was used in conjunction with Kuku or Kiko ie a Upoke Kiko was slave flesh - or else poke singular or pokes group). The Upoke slaves were the 'wealth' of the Maoris and raiding and capturing other clans and tribes Upoke was the primary industry of the Maoris. These Upoke were dark skinned, larger limbed, thick lipped, flat nosed, curly haired, easily fattened, low IQ and sedentary. The settlements of the Maoris (Pa's) were in valley passes where they could anticipate attack from the sea and run into the bush behind. A Pa's very design is as a cannibal storage camp of humans as slave eating flesh with perimeters controlling access and confining the slaves. Have a good look at the original designs of the Pa's and what their real purpose was. Upoke females were normally killed and eaten at birth but on arrival of the Europeans -( trade was for Upoke boiled male heads carved with European arabesques eg 'Maori Moko designs - all European) but with a shortage of that & the trade being policed - the Maori Ariki turned to selling young Upoke slave girls to the sailors and settlers for guns. Often as records show, the Ariki would line up the young Upoke on the beach or field and then tell the Europeans they would all be slaughtered and eaten unless the European met their demands. As such the European settlements were flooded with Upoke slaves, mainly young females being the demand. The Europeans bred with these slave females gave immunity to the mixed race offspring disease such as measles & flu that full blood Maori did not have. Again this is subject to much record (1880 onwards) about the 'revitalization' and out breeding of the Maori being their only path of survival / there was much concern the Maori would become extinct so all Europeans & Maori were much focused on such outbreeding to ensure that a trace of Maori may exist in the future. By 1903 there were no Ariki left and only 14 very old full blood Upoke. The last full blood died in 1944 - as reported by the minister of Maori affairs much later to the NZ parliament. The marked differences between the Ariki and the slave caste were much commented on, discussed and captured in paintings & portraits. Almost all Maori today would be offspring of Europeans & Upoke slaves - the filters of inter Maori fratricide between the Ariki clans & disease acted as an filter to remove both Ariki and full bloods.

[@HTDSNZ]

Great info, would love if you could share some of your sources so i can add them to my current search.

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

E hē. Te katoa o tēnei rūkahu. Waiho tēnei Rūkahu ki te pūkai tūtae reira tō teka ka au.

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

@@HTDSNZ - there are no sources to this disinformation. Pure rubbish. This is the work of a group seeking to spread disinformation and misinformation as conspiracy to undermine 1,000 years of polynesian history and the co-evolved history of what is now labelled as the māori culture. Almost daily I find these types of rhetoric spreading faster on social media. KZbin is particularly pernicious. Whomever Jesus Christ is as a KZbin commentator should invest in fantasy fiction because their level of imaginative story telling is attributable to an extremely well resourced time affluent group focused on the agenda of spreading disinformation and misinformation. Ultimately this kind of rhetoric is just veiled racism again seeking a position of superiority founded on a pile of false equivalencies, tautologies and pure unadulterated, unreferenceable, unsubstantiated, rūkahu … Here’s the test … Jesus Christ wrote not just one but two lengthy essay like comments … but can not provide a literature review nor a bibliographical reference point for any of their statements … that alone places this rhetoric in the rubbish bin of KZbin comments sections. Utter deplorable fiction. Let this individual stand on any marae ātea and tell this story and they’d get kicked off the the grounds.

[@torqingheads]

@@HTDSNZ 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'A History Of New Zealand Anthropology In The 19th Century' - H D Skinner

[@mjanny6330]

@Robin Tamihere facts dont care about your feelings.

[@brianaugust6549]

Tenakoe Joe what about te ika a Maui ko aotearoa the crown have had there fun they haven't stuck to there agreement, of parternership from the Waitangi teriti tangata whenua were given no choice ,Poverty', one issue

[@clarancebarasawanyonyi9697]

How are are you there l am Rve Clarance barasa OF Jesus Christ church in Kenya amen

[@robintamihere4550]

te ika a Maui Is an ancient name for New Zealand. that is my understanding.

[@mjanny6330]

Fun? Lol sure, if you consider blood, sweat, tears, suffering and sacrifice "fun"

[@torqingheads]

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. . Before the advantage of European DNA Maori suffered terrible inbreeding issues [they are descended from only 150 closely related individuals and an estimated 30% of Maori babies were killed and eaten at birth because of deformities] Maori DNA is the most similar yet studied. Outcast as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and stopped cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede any claim and give up and die as an original society - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of almost totally European people fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits.

[@ClariSSa50067]

you should look into the wairau bar and the recent discoveries regarding mtDNA testing of 3 women

[@nicolettarata-skudder9585]

What a lot of uninformed tosh.🙄

[@robintamihere4550]

Misinformation. miss interpretations of various writers and misunderstandings of Māori history, and IDIOTS like jesus who portray their false perverted NARCISSISTIC DICKHEAD narratives. 1st ERROR, Māori have a ancestry back to the Aztecs. 2nd ERROR Māori did not float up in NZ stranded for 500 years, as he candidly states, what a load of BS - Māori traveled back and forth for generations between the Polynesian Islands from whence they came. 3rd ERROR Māori actually stopped off and lived with the Hawaiians, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans and a number of other island, most of these islands have markers/plagues or monuments that mark the Māoris jumping off point i.e., departure points from these islands. fancy that!!! 4th ERROR, In all of my research never have i heard of light skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste) Māori. 5th ERROR Māori did not appear on the Chatham Islands until around the 1830s or shortly thereafter, as the Moriori. 6th ERROR I have never heard of the following - ''So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north''. This is the first time I'm hearing that the south island maori were armed by the British to go to war with the north island Māori. 7th ERROR to say ''measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite.'' is pure fallacy. 8th ERROR The Maori DID NOT sued for peace and a treaty was signed. Another fallacy. 9th ERROR The treaty DID NOT removed all sovereignty and make Māori subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Again he does not have a grasp and FULL IN-DEPTH understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I'll go one further as little is known of this FACT which only goes to further complicate misunderstandings. By the signing of Te Tiriti NZ was annexed to New South Wales on behalf of the British Monachy, but NSW was not at the time part of the British territories. 10th ERROR he says ''Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow''' ALMOST ALL Māori come from female slaves'' is the ULTIMATE INSULT. this ass hole dares to leverage against my race. Need I continue to point out all of the other ERRORS in his comments and shame on you gina parker for supporting this IDIOT.

[@robintamihere4550]

@@ClariSSa50067 Misinformation. miss interpretations of various writers and misunderstandings of Māori history, and IDIOTS like jesus who portray their false perverted NARCISSISTIC DICKHEAD narratives. 1st ERROR, Māori have a ancestry back to the Aztecs. 2nd ERROR Māori did not float up in NZ stranded for 500 years, as he candidly states, what a load of BS - Māori traveled back and forth for generations between the Polynesian Islands from whence they came. 3rd ERROR Māori actually stopped off and lived with the Hawaiians, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans and a number of other island, most of these islands have markers/plagues or monuments that mark the Māoris departure points from these islands. fancy that!!! 4th ERROR, In all of my research never have i heard of light skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste) Māori. 5th ERROR Māori did not appear on the Chatham Islands until around the 1830s or shortly thereafter, as the Moriori. 6th ERROR I have never heard of the following - ''So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north''. This is the first time I'm hearing that the south island maori were armed by the British to go to war with the north island Māori. 7th ERROR to say ''measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite.'' is pure fallacy. 8th ERROR The Maori DID NOT sued for peace and a treaty was signed. Another fallacy. 9th ERROR The treaty DID NOT removed all sovereignty and make Māori subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Again he does not have a grasp and FULL IN-DEPTH understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I'll go one further as little is known of this FACT which only goes to further complicate misunderstandings. By the signing of Te Tiriti NZ was annexed to New South Wales on behalf of the British Monachy, but NSW was not at the time part of the British territories. 10th ERROR he says ''Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow''' ALMOST ALL Māori come from female slaves'' is the ULTIMATE INSULT. this ass hole dares to leverage against my race. Need I continue to point out all of the other ERRORS in his comments and shame on you gina parker for supporting this IDIOT.

[@robintamihere4550]

Misinformation. miss interpretations of various writers and misunderstandings of Māori history, and IDIOTS like jesus who portray their false perverted NARCISSISTIC DICKHEAD narratives. 1st ERROR, Māori have a ancestry back to the Aztecs. 2nd ERROR Māori did not float up in NZ stranded for 500 years, as he candidly states, what a load of BS - Māori traveled back and forth for generations between the Polynesian Islands from whence they came. 3rd ERROR Māori actually stopped off and lived with the Hawaiians, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans and a number of other island, most of these islands have markers/plagues or monuments that mark the Māoris jump off point, i.e., departure points from these islands. fancy that!!! 4th ERROR, In all of my research never have i heard of light skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste) Māori. 5th ERROR Māori did not appear on the Chatham Islands until around the 1830s or shortly thereafter, as the Moriori already lived there. 6th ERROR I have never heard of the following - ''So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north''. This is the first time I'm hearing that the south island Māori were armed by the British to go to war with the north island Māori. 7th ERROR to say ''measles & flu halved the Māori population and removed most of the elite.'' is pure fallacy. 8th ERROR The Maori DID NOT sued for peace and a treaty was signed. Another fallacy. 9th ERROR The treaty DID NOT removed all sovereignty and make Māori subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Again he does not have a grasp and FULL IN-DEPTH understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I'll go one step further as little is known of this FACT which only goes to further complicate misunderstandings. By the signing of Te Tiriti NZ was annexed to New South Wales on behalf of the British Monachy, but NSW was not at the time part of the British territories. 10th ERROR he says ''Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow''' ALMOST ALL Māori come from female slaves'' is the ULTIMATE INSULT. this ass hole dares to leverage against my race. Need I continue to point out ALL of the other ERRORS in his comments.

[@bunyinjbhadi7212]

The Treaty of Waitangi was found to be faulty, and was disqualified at the UN in 1998, then again in 2002 in front of Maori elders at a Circle of Elders meeting in Australia (NSW). The 'Treaty' was shown to be NEGATIVE in nature, and is a document which traps all New Zealand people into bonded slavery....for ever..!! The 'Treaty' also aligns with the Treaty of Versailles....which is the 'foolproof' Treaty that traps the entire world into the very same scenario, and the world is clueless..!!

[@robintamihere4550]

Papal Bull decrees Romanus Pontifix 1455 declared that if all indigenous Nations were non-Christian they had to be invaded, vanquished, captured, subdued reduced to perpetual slavery, and have their possessions and properties seized by the European Monarch. Tera Nullus 1493 determined that if land was empty it could be claimed by the European Crown who found it. Secondly if there is Indigenous peoples there and they were not Christian, they didn't have rights to entitlement of land only rights of occupancy. What that means is this, their status as human was lower to that of a hedgehog, a hare, or rabbit.

[@mjanny6330]

A document older then the maori people themselves lol.

[@robintamihere4550]

@@mjanny6330 Both fascinating and deviously treacherous. The ''Doctrine of Discovery'' became the foundation of all International Law. Created by the European Monarchy & sanctioned by the Pope & the Catholic Church. To think that the Catholic Church profited from such barbaric injustices is beyond belief.

[@StGammon77]

And they are