Trick or Treaty? Indigenous rights, referendums and the Treaty of Waitangi

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The fate of the Treaty of Waitangi is teetering on the brink of a popular vote, as the new coalition government pledges to introduce a Treaty Principles Bill, potentially triggering a referendum.
The recent Australian voice-to-parliament referendum serves as a cautionary tale, highlighting the precarious nature of safeguarding indigenous rights when subject to majority decision-making.
In an exploration of this critical issue, Mata speaks with prominent indigenous advocates, academics and treaty experts to uncover the motivations behind any potential erosion of Māori rights in Aotearoa.
Update: Atlas Network says it does not oppose climate policy or indigenous land rights.
Correction: David Seymour did not attend Lord Hannan's event while he was in New Zealand. David Seymour attended a dinner with Lord Hannan.
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[@in2jc]

A sad day indeed ! ❤ & Prayers from Fiji for the indigenous peoples of AustralIa & NZ. Need to respect people who were there before you.

[@gavincarey4782]

not really

[@gouldmcclay]

The people in nz before wanted a society not savagery thats why they signed sovereignty to the queen.

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

@@gouldmcclay The queen granted sovereignty to Māori, through te tiriti - not the other way around.... Kawanatanga is governance - to rule over the lawless pākehā. Rangatiratanga - sovereignty - is granted to 'Tangata katoa o nu Tirani', all the people of Aotearoa, in article the second.

[@themarsman5155]

I think you need to understand more what acts proposal is about before assuming they are taking Maori rights away

[@korocam9137]

The Indigenous Peoples of Australia have been on their lands for Tens of thousands of years, and that will continue for generations. Our Aroha and Solidarity goes out to them eternally, as Indigenous peoples of Aotearoa. ❤🙏🏽

[@gavincarey4782]

do you realize how crazy you sound

[@lockk132]

Yeah I hear you,the indigenous Maori have been in NZ for wow 500 years longer than Pakeha.I prefer the term ,first arrivals rather than indigenous

[@rubytuesday1345]

@@lockk132 totally agree. You cannot consider maori in the same way as australia's aboriginals. They have existed in their land for over 40,000 years. Maori are not native to NZ and are essentially recent colonisers themselves.

[@patriciatehaate236]

​@rubytuesday1345 just preach your own history was it good???

[@rubytuesday1345]

@@patriciatehaate236 sorry. History is history.

[@louiscarnachan3608]

Te tiriti is not a document that should be altered based on public opinion.

[@RobertBell-k9w]

why should 5 million people be held liable for an agreement between some dumb aristocrats made 150 years ago without public imput, my ancestors never signed that nonsense so yeah I'd like a change to say no

[@Ryannnnnnnn-jn6wj]

As a kiwi living in Aus the way 1 news represented the no campaign here is so wrong. The yes campaign was vague, people didn’t know what they were voting yes too. Also 1 news didn’t speak to any of the aboriginal leaders that were against the yes campaign.

[@KINNZ94]

1News is always biased. When they interview Seymour, it really sounds more like an interrogation than an interview.

[@downundabrotha]

I live in Australia too and one huge difference is Indigenous only make up 3% of the Population. Keep in mind 30-40% voted in favour of the Yes campaign and that is a huge effort. I remember hearing guys at work saying I'm voting No cos these Abos need to get a job. There was so much racism and the divisive ones were the No votes.

[@I_Extinguish_I]

The "equal rights" argument against specific Māori rights often hinges on the belief that everyone should be treated identically under the law. However, this view overlooks the historical and legal context of the Treaty of Waitangi, which established a unique partnership between Māori and the Crown. The Treaty acknowledges Māori as tangata whenua (people of the land) with distinct rights to their lands, taonga (treasures), and self-governance, affirming that these rights exist alongside the Crown’s governance. Far from creating “special” rights, these are Treaty obligations meant to address the legacy of colonization and ensure a fair and balanced relationship. True equality means recognizing and honoring the commitments made under the Treaty, acknowledging that Māori rights are not privileges but legally and historically grounded responsibilities that the Crown is bound to respect. These rights aren’t about giving Māori more but about recognizing the place of Māori culture, language, and leadership in Aotearoa New Zealand. Equal treatment should mean respecting the unique status of Māori within the nation’s legal and social framework, which enhances fairness for all by ensuring that the promises of the past are upheld in the present.

[@thomasr246]

@@I_Extinguish_I there was zero partnership with Māori and the crown in the treaty, Māori cede there powers and would be punished and had to follow Crown law as they have done since the treaty was signed apart from the 26 years they went to War and lost

[@thomasr246]

@@I_Extinguish_I your ideology of the treaty and this crazy idea that the crown wanted Māori to be equal partners or to have powers to rule in there own style is just ridiculous and has zero substance other than university fools who created this narrative. Wake up

[@I_Extinguish_I]

@@thomasr246 Ah, the "Māori ceded everything and got on with it" myth. Let’s break it down, shall we? First, Te Tiriti o Waitangi (the Māori text, which most rangatira signed) explicitly guarantees Māori tino rangatiratanga-their absolute authority over lands, taonga, and resources. This isn’t vague wording; it’s crystal clear. Māori agreed to kāwanatanga-a form of governance that allowed the Crown to manage settlers, not to take full control. The idea of complete cession of sovereignty is based on the English version, which wasn’t the text most rangatira signed. The two versions have fundamentally different meanings, and pretending the Māori text doesn’t matter is not only inaccurate but dismissive of Māori perspectives. Now, the argument that Māori had no partnership with the Crown because they "lost the war" and were forced to follow Crown law? Let’s be real-those wars were the direct result of Crown breaches of Te Tiriti. Land confiscations, broken promises, and sheer greed drove the Crown to invade Māori lands. Fighting back wasn’t defiance of the Treaty-it was an attempt to uphold it. The idea that Māori just "lost and moved on" ignores the generations of petitions, protests, and legal battles to hold the Crown accountable. Te Tiriti was intended as a partnership-two parties working together with mutual respect. The fact that the Crown systematically ignored this doesn’t erase what the Treaty actually promised. If anything, the wars and subsequent breaches underscore how the Crown failed to honor its commitments, not evidence that Māori forfeited their rights. The narrative of cession and submission is a convenient oversimplification that doesn’t hold up against history.

[@anarunikora2996]

How can they cover up what has happened in the past dodgy dealings

[@housesofmyhome]

22:13 basically says the Maori version of the treaty is not relevant, the only principle that should be debated is which version of the treaty should be our founding document. Without Maori or the land, the English version means nothing. Honour the Maori version of the treaty as this is the document signed by more than 500 chiefs compared to the English version which only has 32 signatures on it. The colonists argue it doesn’t matter how many chiefs signed the English version, if that is true - then they’re saying one chief may speak for all Maori people which is not the case and certainly wasn’t agreed at Waitangi in 1835…

[@StGammon77]

Only the English Treaty matters we all speak English now.

[@RaewynTairi]

​@StGammon77 english treaty is a lie that's why it got scribbled on

[@myrabateman1790]

​@@StGammon77The Treaty is a lie. Which is why you have two. Te Tiriti is the right history

[@StGammon77]

It was backtranslated and ended up a mongrel. The original final English Treaty that was translated to Maori is not being brought forth to the public its in the bsckstalls of Te Papa, bring it out!

[@toranarama1]

How can you use the Maori language to reliability communicate a national , legal document??? There no historical literature of maori language, so it's not concise enough to use in a legal document. You need to be able to prove what words and their context mean. Impossible with maori , you are relying on those who are set to benefit to tell you what those words mean. There not centuries of Maori language documents to cross reference. It's hard enough for lawyers to work with English contracts without contention.

[@PigzHeadNz]

If it does happen in New Zealand, The government better be ready for one hell of a fight.

[@explorerjlc1743]

issue is the treaty is too old and has translation issues. Demographics are also different in NZ now and the Crown isn't what it once was.

[@andycy2226]

The treaty is inherently racist as it places one ethnicity above all others.

[@schlookie]

We will be having our referendum, and will be willing to fight for it.

[@kareemhetaraka-brown1259]

@@schlookie if the referendum passes and wins, do pakeha go back to there King in England? And all peoples return to there lands?

[@schlookie]

@@kareemhetaraka-brown1259 if the referendum passes, we all become one people under one law woth everyone having equal rights. And no one gets preferred over anyone else because of their race.

[@sandywright3894]

This is the best item I have seen about the treaty review. I listen to david seymour and luxon and the guy on the platform and wonder what they really are saying about maori and about the treaty. I get the feeling that they are being dishonest, hiding what theybreally want out of the review. This you tube series of interviews makes total sense of the whole business. Excellent work from Mahinarangi Forbes and her team.

[@andycy2226]

You are creating a straw man by projecting your fears onto others.

[@saxdearing3395]

Goldfinger Forbes?

[@StGammon77]

Julian Batchelor has the most comprehensive presentations about the historical Treaty

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

The indigenous people of aotearoa deserve their rights to governance over their rohe ❤past and present, Maunga ki te Moana

[@StGammon77]

Aotearoa and it's fanciful ideologies are fiction and the gig is up

[@RaewynTairi]

​@@PeacefulMeteorShower-th8fkonly in your deluded mind

[@RaewynTairi]

@@PeacefulMeteorShower-th8fk yes Maori are.what doesn't matter is what you think

[@RaewynTairi]

@@PeacefulMeteorShower-th8fk look up what indigenous means

[@RaewynTairi]

@@PeacefulMeteorShower-th8fk indigenous means before colonization

[@Nicole.1828]

As a Pakeha I will proudly stand with Māori. The principles of Te Treaty aren’t the problem it’s the principles of David Seymour that are the problem.

[@raywheeler3135]

Seymour doesn't have an principles. Or scruples.

[@glenpiggott5815]

What are the pricples of the treaty, please enlightening us all ....

[@waynekilgour393]

@@glenpiggott5815 Yes . Please . At the moment it's a never ending graveytrain .

[@yukisnow665]

Don't use racist and derogatory words such as Pakeha please.

[@StGammon77]

Well there never were principles but David is compromising by setting 3 principles of the Treaty only, all other references will be scrubbed as fraud and made up

[@Kult365]

Something sounding veeeery similar in the strategy being used here in NZ...

[@makamak4992]

Yes spread this vid far and wide

[@waynekilgour393]

We built the harbour bridge and we can't see the reason to give it away

[@Kult365]

@@waynekilgour393 sorry, who built the harbour bridge ?

[@waynekilgour393]

@@Kult365 if it was built prior to treaty claims , it dosnt matter .

[@Aych16]

@@waynekilgour393 you can build a bigger harbour bridge, all the way back to Ingarangi ✌🏽

[@iankinnell5643]

There were plenty of yes people in Australia who harrassed no people please broadcast unobjectively plus 8 or 9 of the top 10 aboriginal dominant areas voted no anyway.

[@Malcom4850]

Why not make public the actual treaty so everyone can see.!!

[@lauragoodall6248]

Where are the captions for this? This very content talks about the rights of marginalised communities yet you’re excluding people with disabilities and those who speak English as a second language by not having even automated KZbin captions turned on for this! Not cool!

[@mardi12341]

Changing a principle of Titiri o Waitangi needs to be agreed upon by Maori, an it won't be. Thinking that Maori can invent a Tiriti o waitangi that was voted on is why Seymour claims, then wants to crop in 5 words he wants to replace that principle. Playing out on media as well. How blatant is that?.

[@StGammon77]

There were no principles but now they have been secretly pushed onto us all every NZ should have a say and I think David's 3 principles are clear and precise as opposed to dodgy Tribunal corruption

[@sharoncotton69]

Umm did he just say you had the treaty all wrong??? This feels so hopeless

[@nicktaylor7680]

As an Australian I believed it was the best and fairest Country to live. After this referendum I can no longer say that-shamefull.

[@JohanThiart]

Australia Fair? The referendum confirmed that concept. Individual rights are not subject to the rights of any group. That sounds Fair!

[@j6077xxd]

Idiotic. The referendum is the will of the people.

[@MountainMaid238]

​@@j6077xxd Not all people, just the current majority. A majority built off the thieving of a British Crown.

[@RJH755]

@@j6077xxd Sometimes "the will of the people" becomes majoritarianism, what do you think would have happened if LBJ decided to put segregation to a vote in 60s America instead of passing the Civil Right Act?

[@AnthonyFlack]

@@j6077xxd - and conveniently, after seventy years of the "White Australia" immigration policy, "the people" are over 90% white and massively outnumber "the people" who had been living there for the previous 40,000 years.

[@newmarsvolta]

I guess there was no point in presenting the perspective of an indigenous australian who voted "no", right?

[@loud9903]

You could, but statistically they overwhelmingly voted yes.

[@newmarsvolta]

@@loud9903 whoosh

[@davethewave7248]

Good on ya mate. Prob avoided a world of trouble. lol

[@Silivelio]

I think it's important to go back further to the past generations of how humanity environment first established. And to find out where any forms of documents are found its possible requirements available. There is a story in the Bible in the Old Testament Writings about the Tower of Babel which may give us a closer look at the spread of humanity and become nationality of our Creator.

[@eddiegilbertwakefield3301]

1. Where was the referendum in 1986 when the NZ Govt repealed the NZ Constitution Act 1852. 2. Sec 2. ss 3. Te Ture Whenua Maori Act 1993 states: In the event of any conflict in meaning between the English version of the Treaty of Waitangi and the Maori version, the Maori version shall prevail. 3. The seat of Govt sits in the Post Office which is where all Treaty's are established through 100 year leases.

[@waynewright5571]

Gary Judd KC was on the Platform and said under the law the only version of the Treaty that is valid is the Maori version as it was signed by all the parties. The English version wasn't signed. .

[@eddiegilbertwakefield3301]

S. 2, ss(3)of the act. In the event of any conflict in meaning between the English version of the Pre amble and the Maori version, the Maori version shall prevail.

[@eddiegilbertwakefield3301]

What ever the government says about Maori or the treaty or anything to do with us, our version SHALL!!! prevail. End of story. Kawanatanga have no version and no story.

[@rogerevans7119]

There is an end date on the Treaty. 6 February 1840. As Hobson himself declared, the Treaty in te reo as signed by the close of that date constituted THE treaty, and all subsequent signatures were merely declarations of adherence to that document. It is expressly an exchange of subjection to the Queens Govermnent in return for protection of existing rights in land and administration- with the option of sale to the Crown. The third clause established equality of all subjects. These are the original principles of the Treaty, arrived at in 1840 long before any think tanks, and long before the Waitangi Tribunal and its novel ideas of partnership and cogovernance.

[@hailzreignmanga]

1800s - 2023 Nz europeans: The white way is the right way. Maori: No

[@davethewave7248]

The Waitangi Tribunal doomed itself when coming out last year and 'ruling' that Hobson had breached the treaty by declaring sovereignty over NZ. Such an absurdity was never going to fly. The reaction has set in.

[@MountainMaid238]

​@@davethewave7248He did. Obviously. Māori never, ever ceded sovereignty and never will. How is this most basic part of NZ history not common knowledge for some?

[@davethewave7248]

@@MountainMaid238 How is it that you do not know that the great Te Heu Heu scolded other chiefs for signing the treaty, saying that he himself would never give up his mana [absolute power. 'sovereignty'], and his right to rule as a chief to a mere woman [Queen Victoria]. Neither did Te Waharoa or the great Te Whero Whero sign.... leading to the later Kingite movement/ Maori nationalsim and the NZ wars in the 1860s. History is something you need to read for yourslef, rather than having some radical give you their politicized version.

[@MountainMaid238]

@@davethewave7248 What are you talking about? Which Te Heu Heu are you referencing? Iwikau Te Heu Heu Tūkino of Tūwharetoa signed with Te Korohiko present because he bought into Williams explanations. I can't comment on Te Whero Whero, he's Waikato so I leave those matters to those who it belongs to - and I'll listen to his descendants before relying on the opinion of someone's quick google search. You might need to check your sources. Or crack a book. Or chat to a descendant.

[@Wadz-r8i]

Unfortunately fixing the economy isn't government strategy in NZ.

[@middleearthemarxist2433]

💯 The economy is working exactly as intended, sucking all wealth from the bottom to the parasites at the top.

[@sonicspring6448]

@@middleearthemarxist2433 yes, they keep giving us the false dichotomy of elections while making sure that money keeps flowing up to the mega-wealthy, whoever gets into government.

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

Taxpayers union paid for all the stop 3 waters signage... That explains why there is a sign that must have cost hundreds of dollars to make, if not over a grand, hanging on the fence of a building that is, quite literally, falling apart... I thought it was unusual that they could afford a political statement which costs that much to produce, but they can't afford a sheet of plastic to cover a window and stop the elements from destroying the very 'bones' of their building...

[@yukisnow665]

All good when the CTU do it though eh buddy?

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

@@yukisnow665 I literally never said that, but keep creating straw men to justify the shitty actions of 'your side'... Don't read so deep into it, you have no idea what my political stances are until I tell you.

[@yukisnow665]

@@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies Clown

[@jhk3594]

Fun fact- Mundine and Price will go down in history as a pair of subordinate Serfs 😊.

[@pariscooper5458]

Well said "what happens if we put the voice of the indigenous into the hands of the Majority" that is unfair in itself

[@JohanThiart]

If we put the rights of individuals in the hands of a racial, cultural or social group…….. we will have fairness for individual citizens!

[@autumnedwards45]

​@@JohanThiartwrong, taking away the rights of one group of people doesn't make things equal. Non maori lose nothing from the referendum. Maori people lose their rights to their land and possessions as well as their rights to practice and maintain their culture. What actually do non maori lose by Maori having rights?

[@raywheeler3135]

@@autumnedwards45 Non Maori lose their minds. That's about it.

[@JohanThiart]

@@autumnedwards45 equality under the law.

[@kezza2451]

So equal that a pakeha kid and a maori kid caught for the same misdemeanor get WAY different treatment. One gets a telling off , the other ends up in gaol.@@JohanThiart

[@joshuawharemate]

People come to our country for a better life. Then try to change our indigenous rights to our country too suit their needs and wants labeled under "equal rights". Cant go to China Dubai India etc and demand such changes so why people think its ok here in NZ?

[@ReginaldHarris-gm8fi]

Keep your culture brothers hold tight

[@222-i6o]

thy have their culture ....nobody is stoping thm from having there culture

[@ReginaldHarris-gm8fi]

It's a culture pakeha don't understand you take an forget to fix the land we live on

[@AnthonyFlack]

@@ReginaldHarris-gm8fi - not all pakeha are rapacious capitalists. Most people just want a quiet life. Unfortunately we live in an age dominated by the 1%.

[@ReginaldHarris-gm8fi]

We live in hard times an age off struggle an poverty as well issues that are important to maori an te reo holds that a place to maori keep your culture

[@juanitasavage756]

Custom,when grounded upon a certain & reasonable course supersedes the common law. KIA KAHA OUR ABORIGINAL BOTHERS & SISTERS SENDING PRAYERS & LUV WE GOT EACH OTHER...INDIGENOUS POEPLE STAND UP FOR OUR PEOPLE TAKE THE GOVERNMENT TO COURT no more suffering. AOTEAROA Maori are the caretakers AUSTRALIA Aborigines are the caretakers

[@StGammon77]

Leave our Christianity out of your witchcraft

[@StGammon77]

Care? Pfft

[@klburroughsnz]

One problem is non Maori don't know what Maori want & will be satisfied with (Don't just tell me "what is theirs under the treaty" - it's far too vague a statement & doesn't help) it needs to be detailed. Non Maori need to know if they have a real reason or not to be scared of what they have worked for being taken away. why after all the retribution/settlements that have been made (tax payer $) it's still not enough Maori also need to acknowledge that without non Maori NZ would likely be just another 3rd world pacific country Acknowledge the contribution non Maori have, and continue to make to this country every day. If we could get appreciation of each other from both sides then maybe we can move forward together

[@Trash-horse]

I hope the treaty settlement industry finally comes to an end.

[@Michaelcox-t7l]

Regconition. Treaty. Unity love peace equality reconciliation independent apology respect❤

[@buildingblissnz7543]

Can someone please tell me why the focus of everything is always on 'Te Tiriti õ Waitangi' (1840) and not 'He Whakaputanga o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni - the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of New Zealand' (1836)? He Whakaputanga clearly gives Māori absolute sovereignty and preceeds Te Tiriti but people either ignore its existence, have no idea it does exist, or just hyper focus on Te Tiriti. Can someone please respond to this question in an intelligent manner? I am genuinely bamboozled at the lack of chatter on or around He Whakaputanga in Māoridom. It has been, and still is, complete and utter radio silence on the first legally founding document of New Zealand aka Nu Tireni. Thank you.

[@davethewave7248]

Because the treaty built on the earlier declaration. In that declaration, a nominal sovereignty was recognized to a federation of northern chiefs in 1835. Unfortunately, these chiefs were soon at war among themeselves, and they found themselves unable to govern. the solution: have them cede this nominal sovereignty [diplomatically recognized by the British] to the British Crown in the Treaty of Waitangi. This they understood pretty well.

[@jameskjx]

@@davethewave7248 Both documents are intrinsically colonial. Both of them suck up to the English. The aim is to end colonisation, not to perfect it.. Aotearoa must be a Te Reo speaking Māori governed Māori owned Māori majority polity - Aotearoa mo Māori anake. i nga awa ki nga moana ka watea a Aotearoa

[@davethewave7248]

@@jameskjx At least you come out and say it straight. Yes, the treaty is a project in colonisation [back when colonisation was equated with civilization]. And yes, there is a radical Maori political project at work today.

[@MountainMaid238]

@@davethewave7248 Prove it, don't infer, reference direct evidence that Māori knew they were giving up what made them who they are, and happily did so. You keep saying that statement without any proof all over the comment section.

[@davethewave7248]

@@MountainMaid238 Tamati Waaka Nene turned the tide when the treaty was being discussed with chiefs at the Waitangi meeting. You can read the responses of many chiefs that were recorded at the time, and then published later in 'The Treaty of Waitangi' by T.L. Buick [1936]. He asked the governor to stay and be their friend, and significantly, their father. Nene: 'What did we do before the Pakeha came? We fought, we fought continually. But now we can plant our grounds. and the Pakeha will bring plenty of trade to our shores. Then let us all be friends together. I am walking beside the Pakeha. I'll sign the pukapuka"

[@shenzi0116]

There was honestly a lack of research of everyone in Australia the ad campaign in regards to this was “First Nations people have a say in parliament, yes or no” there was no background or anything though

[@davethewave7248]

Two things being confused here. A referendum [or discussion/ bill] on the Waitangi Tribunal's reading of the Treaty and the Treaty itself. No-one in NZ is against the Treaty itself.. Moana Tuwhare says as much "if the voting public had a good understanding of the *principles* of the Treaty of Waitangi...". And of course, she thinks they do not. Notice her language is directed at the *principles*, that have been interpreted by the Waitangi tribunal. For many people, these principles are the radicalization of the Treaty, and so to say most do not 'understand' these principles is to beg the question against them... in a patronizing manner. This is to say the experts know best. But the experts in this case are deemed to be radicals by those that do not share their political [Maori] nationalist opinions. I kind of agree though. A referendum on the Treaty [whatever that meant] would be misguided. The experts we should trust are the disinterested historians, who can tell us what the Treaty meant to the Europeans and chiefs that signed at that time.... as opposed to what some interested party wants it to mean to us today. As a centrist, I can appreciate the 'just cause' that can be made out for both sides here - the radical left and the reactionary right. It's a bit of a shame that this report did not give an intelligent voice to someone on the other side of the ledger... in the interests of objective journalism.

[@anarunikora2996]

Many are against the treaty that I have seen on the Hobson pledge website unfortunately but I know they don't speak for all pakeha.

[@davethewave7248]

@@anarunikora2996 Yes, though I doubt they are 'against the treaty' if they are for Hobson, who put the treaty together. Perhaps they are against the Waitangi Tribunal, and its interpretation of the treaty. I mean, they came out with the nonsense last year that Hobson breached the treaty in declaring sovereignty over NZ. Good example of over-reach here, and why many are now wanting to have a good hard look at these bureaucrats, lawyers, and radical intellects that comprice the Waitangi tribunal.

[@Kult365]

@@davethewave7248 They bastardise the name for Thier own gain. Hobo's Pledge is 100% racist political funders.

[@MountainMaid238]

​@@davethewave7248 Te Tiriti clearly states that Māori gave the Queen permission to govern this country, and that Māori retain their sovereignty of all their possessions including land. When Hobson declared instead that the chiefs gave up their sovereignty (a warrior race just giving up? No, no-one would believe that), that's where he fd up. Badly. Even school children know this much.

[@Salty_kiwi]

@@davethewave7248 Māori by and large don’t support Hobson’s draft (the English document), they support Te Tiriti o Waitangi which is three things: the document most Māori signed, the document which retains Māori sovereignty and the document which is recognised by international law (contra proferentem). You will find that the principles of the Waitangi Tribunal (& how they are being interpreted) are actually a watered down version of what was guaranteed to Māori in Te Tiriti, rather than going “too far.”

[@tylerclarke2463]

The fact that people think anything good can come out of racial division in the lobg term is beyond me. Seymour is dead right - all nzer should be treated equaly and fairly, equality of opportunity not outcome

[@AnthonyFlack]

"Equality of opportunity not outcome" is the rallying cry for libertarians who like to pretend that equality of opportunity can magically be achieved just by declaring it, while using their position to excuse taking no action when faced with the most egregious INequality of outcome.

[@Matikemai2040]

There is no racial division at all this is about land owner rights and contratual laws. Do you believe I should have rights to your property?

[@jondoe9548]

"The two most sacred Christian doctrines are, -Thou shalt not kill. - Thou shalt not steal." By the way, many thanks for the supremely informative multi-page comment by 'Lonely Alaskan' at, "Complete History Of Indigenous America Before Colonialism" on KZbin. "The two most sacred Christian doctrines are, -Thou shalt not kill. - Thou shalt not steal."

[@tinaaroha8205]

So right you are👍🏽❤

[@finnleason6916]

No, its love the lord with all your heart soul and mind, and love your neighbour as yourself

[@Sobabe-el5ke]

Slavery, Colonialism and Colonization are all evil things done by evildoers... Just saying.

[@Sobabe-el5ke]

Thanks for the informative, insightful multi-page comment by 'Lonely Alaskan' at, "Complete History Of Indigenous America Before Colonialism":

[@jondoe9548]

@@Sobabe-el5ke Just to let you know that the very insightful multi-page comment by 'Lonely Alaskan' at, "Complete History Of Indigenous America Before Colonialism" on KZbin, got pushed down below 150 other comments.

[@liang4910]

All people, whether indigenous or otherwise, can have equal rights, which is what a modern society should pursue. Those who pursue the privilege of inequality based on skin color, race, or other reasons are evil.

[@RJH755]

As a person of European decent I don't fear the treaty find it divise, quite the contrary, I view it as my birthright to have been born here and to call myself a proud Pakeha citzen! If we vote against the treaty, *ahem* sorry, "tHe PrInCiPlEs Of ThE tReAtY" as Seymour's wheasel words put it, then I better pack my bags and figure out where I need to move back to

[@MediVacPack]

🖤🤍❤️

[@slooob23]

No one is "voting against the treaty" what is being proposed is an end to the use of the treaty by radical ideologues that use and abuse it to promote ideology instead of nation building. If anything the process will make the treaty an even stronger constitutional document. The woke ideologues will then lose their ability to abuse it and we can all move on together in peace.

[@MountainMaid238]

Kāo e hoa, manaaki still reigns. Just like our Tūpuna were attempting to do in the first place - you and yours are welcome. Always xox

[@markfornasier2335]

This is just to devide a nation that's what it was only about . Thomas Mao is not identical indigenous.

[@stephenking4170]

The Treaty is fundamental to NZ as a nation. Seymour himself has acknowledged this. As a 5th generation pakeha (8 NZ generations in our whanau ) originating from one of the early sailing ships, nobody can rip me from my connection to this land. Maori need fundamental respect as having arrived here a few hundred years earlier and as signatories of the treaty. This must be complementary to pakeha relationships to NZ if there is to be sustainable healthy expression of the treaty. Some clarification on how bureaucrats interact with maori and pakeha respectfully would be helpful so that neither interests are sidelined or subsumed as sometimes is now the case. This is a current issue with Conservation land where far too many government officials limply tread around issues for fear of upsetting "tangata whenua" and ignore the ordinary kiwi constituency that fought to create the department and who have an equally deep relationship with this living taonga; our forests, rivers, mountains and native biodiversity. Government departments need to learn to stand up tall for their mandate, whatever it is (education, health, police, conservation etc) while behaving respectfully with both maori and pakeha "tangata whenua". If they do this they will actually grow a spine and command respect and then be able to stand tall as partners in a healthy cooperative relationship. The winner will be our lands and biodiversity which wil benefit future generations of maori and pakeha alike. What matters to future generations is whether or not this generation succeeded in protecting the national treasures, not whether or not bureaucrats had lots of cosy meetings.

[@milleniumfalcon8654]

Excellent commentary 👍, Treaty referendum designed to Divide & Conquer 🇳🇿

[@222-i6o]

elite maori dividing and conquering since treaty pay outs

[@Tuuhura]

Taxpayers Union - tobacco industry connected?

[@kimnzg8195]

Well it is run by Chris bishops dad

[@davethewave7248]

What people are primarily concerned about with the principles of the ToW as interpreted by the Waitangi Tribunal are the political ramifications revolving around the *sovereignty* issue. It's really as simple as that, and why I also tend to side with the reactionaries here [even though I am a centrist]. Yes, there will no doubt be a lot of misinformation coming. But this is largely in reaction to the misinformation that was first perpetrated by the Waitangi Tribunal in its radical re-reading of the treaty.

[@BingeThinker1814]

Sources: Trust me bro

[@davethewave7248]

@@BingeThinker1814 Sources - a hell of a lot of reading historical books, which many are too lazy to do today. They'd rather outsource their intelligence to some academic with radical political opinions.

[@food4thort]

The status of the ToW is NOT the issue. The issue is the open-ended, unquantified and ill-defined PRINCIPLES of the ToW which have been foisted on the public without any consultation whatsoever.

[@Matikemai2040]

Do you believe I have the right to your property?

[@food4thort]

No but what has that got to do with the imaginary 'principles of the treaty' dreamed up by the Waitangi Tribunal? @@Matikemai2040

[@sonicspring6448]

OMG, everything, @@food4thort

[@nigelworters3667]

Te Tiriti was NOT an agreement between Màori and the public. As an example why would you think you have the right to interfere in a legal contract between the bank and your neighbour?

[@food4thort]

@@nigelworters3667 I am not proposing one single letter of the Treaty be changed. It is plain and clear and needs no spurious "Treaty Principles" to make it mean anything more than it is.

[@chchwoman9960]

There should certainly be an Indigenous voice advising parliament. I think it was the clause about veto that killed it. It stated that originally there would be no power of the advisors to veto, but that in future this could change. For many Aussies, that would have swung their vote from Yes to No

[@sallykemp1427]

At least National government has left the comments open! Goes to show they can handle the disputes. The last government you couldn’t comment also they sent there news to KZbin and comments were turned off. Well done National.

[@MelLearning]

? National didn't make this...

[@josephl9619]

One news is a political party. Winston is right

[@deborahroberts2530]

I watch Australian news, the Australian government spent $400 million on the YES campaign, they had advertising everywhere, on planes, sports fields, shop fronts everywhere, they had celebrities backing it. the NO campaign had less than half of what the government threw at it. Warren Mundine and Jacinta Price are trying to do so much for the indigenous people, (but where is the government now) and they know there's so much to do, since the end of the referendum the government has been missing in action, Warren and Jacinta believe in helping people in need not by RACE. They believe in a united country not divided by Race.

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

So what are they doing to reduce the division that exists? Ignoring it, pretending it doesn't exit? Yeah, that sounds like a bad way to achieve a united country not divided by race :/

[@shaneyule3484]

100% correct.

[@EcoKiwiMagazine]

Got an independent verifiable source for your numbers?

[@mbvbac]

Some people don’t understand the terms equality and equity.

[@tdwilliam27]

When we go to India or China, we are still treated as foreigners, 3rd grade people! Why should we go overcrowded countries. This is Aotearoa, our country!

[@davethewave7248]

Why did they reject the Voice? Most probably because they took one look across the ditch at the Waitangi tribunal... and decided not here. lol

[@godfreymanehioha4233]

the Constitution of Australia should be "enhanced or improved" and not the word "changed"

[@thomasr246]

sorry what are the principles of the Treaty ? i cant find them anywhere Does the Treaty Expert know?

[@rod-contracts1616]

Precisely, the lack of any definition makes "principles" entirely subjective, i.e. what you do or don't want them to mean, which is exactly what has been applied in the perversion of NZ's Treaty over the past 5 decades.

[@mfrances7203]

The recent interview of Jack Tame with David Seymour, details the current principles, before the interview starts. The video is available on KZbin.

[@thomasr246]

@@mfrances7203 sounds like Waitangi tribual which is 80% Māori and the courts of 1970s and 80s decided for everyone else what the Treaty means. I see no reason why we can’t 45 years later have another look at it

[@mfrances7203]

My mistake, I thought you were looking for information.

[@zoeyofford2188]

The principals were created to bridge the gap between the differences of the treaty between the Māori and English version, It wasn’t just decided, it wasn’t just decided by Māori either, it was worked on for years and years by people from both Māori and no Māori. Your comment is very decisive and misleading and UNTRUE.

[@johnenekainuku9625]

Te Tiriti O Waitangi (Treaty of Waitangi) is a historical artifact between the crown of England, settlers that came from England, Ireland and Scotland and our māori forefathers. Try, change and twist the truth as real, true people as a nation take this to the United Nations and seriously Supreme Court

[@linksvexier9272]

Work at an organisation which states that it will adhere to the principles of the Te Tiriti õ Waitangi but there is no clear statement saying what this means and how it's implemented within the organisation. What's ended up happening is bunch of token looking stuff and some affirmative action, is that what it is? Lots of confusion and grey areas were people tip toe around being frighten being called racist when stuff makes no sense. I've got a Maori father and a Pakeha mother. Asked parts of the family and all are confused or pissed off that they are itemised by their race when they don't really want to be.

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

❤ this Mahinarangi 🎉

[@stephenking4170]

The Australian yes campaign had a very reasonable request. Honouring foundations is fundamental to healthy society. Having a voice is important.

[@rmac3217]

No means no, doesn't mean you can try to sneak in the back door. Lefties have 0 respect for democracy.

[@todretex]

Ko Jacinta Nampijinpa Price tona ingoa! Kia tika te whakahua i tona ingoa! Pronounce her name properly. I am sure you don't like being called Joanna. Both side were financed and supported/endorsed from big fossil fuel companies and many more including very powerful Indigenous land councils. Was very hard to trace where the money was coming for, but it was coming in fast from everywhere and from both sides. The narrative and funding was though hugely bias in funding the 'Yes' side of the debate. 380 million? something like that? And yes conservative think tanks exist, and have a right to as well. People were so quick to call each other racists. Everyone was a racist, just ask anyone! Both sides. Was a terrible thing for a nation to go through. Disgusting. Men voted different from women. 70/30% Inner city suburbs voted different to everywhere else 20/80%. If New Zealand goes down the road to a referendum it would bring similar discussions and similar rifts and old wounds. The 'largely uniformed public' as referred to here by the experts, would indeed have a pronounced voice. New Zealand needs to respect ALL it's tāngata and try and be above this sort of thing. And be kind to each other FFS and stop sowing division.

[@davethewave7248]

RE the ending comment. . Though the treaty is an important historical document with both moral and political weight, it is not our constitution. As for sovereignty, that lies with Parliament. Whatever is passed in Parliament flies.

[@Kult365]

It's our founding document so yes, that's a constitution. Read the preamble and try again ☺️

[@davethewave7248]

@@Kult365 Because New Zealand's constitution is not all set out in one document, and much of it is found in practices and the common law, it's known as an 'unwritten constitution'. As for the ToW, it is a pact between two peoples, where Maori chiefs cede a nominal sovereignty to the British~~

[@funtimesatbeaverfalls]

No, the treaty is only one part of the total constitution. There are other things in there such as the statutes found in the magna carta of 1297 and the bill of rights 1688. So you are completely wrong.@@Kult365

[@BingeThinker1814]

@@davethewave7248 Got a peer-reviewed citation for the claim that Māori chiefs ceded sovereignty? Because under international common law, Te Tiriti holds more weight than "The Treaty of Waitangi" which mistranslated Te Tiriti, and was signed by less than 10% of Maori chiefs of the era, instead of the 500 that signed Te Tiriti (accounting for 90% of Rangatira of the era). The Contra Proferentem rule of law (which states that in the event of ambiguity, authority should be construed against the party which drafted the proposal) also supports this. This principle is also consistent with the Indulgent Rule of the United States Supreme Court, which states that treaties with native Americans should be construed in a way which would be readily understood by the indigenous people.

[@davethewave7248]

@@BingeThinker1814 Yes, Te Tirti, the Maori version, should be considered THE treaty. This was orally delivered to most of the chiefs by the missionaries/ officials. Read the first-hand records, letters, and diarys, and you know that the chiefs at the time understood Te Tiriti to be granting the governor the power to rule. As for 'rangatiratanga' in the second article, this is chieftainship, which the British had no intention whatsoever to take away from the chiefs - chiefs still had the right to rule over their own tribe, and a right to possess their own lands... with also a right to sell surplus land. It was only in the 1970s that some started to equate that with 'sovereignty', but this is in actual fact to project modern politics back onto the treaty by re-interpreting it... which would be dishonouring it.

[@gbrown9663]

The Maori are different they fight back.take no shit.

[@marsspacex6065]

This is an activist documentary not journalism

[@HowardMansell]

So many untruths. The voice to parliament/ message from the heart was a 47 page manifesto the was all about taking control of the country, just as the toxic He Puapua document here in NZ.

[@mbvbac]

It was literally an advisory committee with no legislative power. Racist people just get scared easily.

[@paulmelville11]

Noting 1News is a state broadcaster, it surprises me that such a contentious issue is covered in such depth without showing both sides of the issue. The Australian Referendum was covered over the first 10 minutes of the video, and not once was anyone from the 'No' side of the debate interviewed, yet minutes of soft questions were given to the 'Yes' debate. On the NZ issue, it isn't until almost 14 minutes in that an old interview with David Seymour is played. Yet, again, minutes are spent showing interviews with people on the opposing side to David Seymour. Does 1News think this is fair and balanced journalism?

[@MrTibbs]

David Seymour is Layman at best on the fact and didn't have much of a voice at all until he started with this. He factually wrong. The treaty violations were government led and now he talks about equal rights in the treaty what a joke. He plays on the fears of certain people and it works. But it's not right.

[@nahyeah788]

I kind of knew what was happening behind the veil. Thank you, for reinforcing my thoughts. Mauriora 🙌

[@supercomp7078]

First thing, Maori's own history says Maori are not the indigenous people, Maori arrived on boats, that aside, we were granted the same rights and privileges as any other British subject under the treaty, so we are all one people, one nation and have been since the treaty was signed.

[@antonysmyth2464]

Who wrote your text!, you or a funded Think tank, or ...?

[@asdasdsfas5026]

Comps in the name 😅

[@user-FUCKYOU18]

Wrong ,you don't know the history

[@explorerjlc1743]

Maori came from Taiwan

[@franceswharekawa9702]

@@explorerjlc1743 hahahahahahaha, Taiwan? Imagine thinking that your whole life

[@dd2451]

Voting no just saved Australia a shot load of hassle.

[@nicktaylor7680]

The No vote in Australia was shameful and a huge setback for race relations and a huge loss for the country. A referendum on Te Tiriti would be a disaster for Aotearoa.

[@jeffappleton926]

No. It was a victory against emotional blackmail and the creation of an aristocratic indigenous elite. Even the introduction to this video was shockingly dishonest by claiming that Australians had voted against Constitutional recognition for indigenous people. This is a blatant and intentional lie by omission. When the referendum was first mooted as being about constitutional recognition the idea was widely supported (about 80% in favour if I remember correctly). It turned into a farcical power grab by Marcia Langton and her cronies that was identified for what it was and voted down as it deserved to be.

[@funtimesatbeaverfalls]

Well that's how a true democracy works, you ask the people by having a referendum. Not pushing through things that the majority don't want.

[@nicktaylor7680]

@@jeffappleton926 Your reply shows the extent of misinformation created by the no campaign and their backers -completly fact free emotional rhetoric -a national embarrassment that a country like Australia could become so ignorant and racist.

[@RJH755]

@@jeffappleton926 Did you watch the video? The group claining the voice was for woke elites was literally bankrolled by actual elites... It's actually depressing seeing how effective propoganda is, we're seriously fucked if people like you don't pull your head in and stop getting fooled by bumper sticker slogans!

[@RJH755]

@@funtimesatbeaverfalls So it would have been acceptable to put segregation to a referendum in 1960s America?

[@AlphaWolf789]

a very said day i saw the haka in parlaiment on tiktok and curious about what was going on i went down the rabbit hole to figure out what the hell was going on needless to say i stand with the indigenous people of australia and New zealand

[@hermitpermit2553]

The idea that it was the money or airtime and not the argument itself that won in australia is a load of bollocks - there were debates, the yes side could not define what the law changes were and were not going to be able to do making it entirely reasonable to vote no. It was a poorly thought out law, there is only the left policy makers to blame for that. This is an incredibly bias segment on these issues.

[@Maggiearm]

Funded by NZ on Air of course!

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

If we want to talk of an indigenous elite then let's look at Winnie Peters. He's indigenous, he's elite. He talks of getting his policy from 'normal Māori, not some sociology department at university' hinting at their elite status too - then we must acknowledge that he is not a normal Māori either.. If they want to argue about Māori elite, then we can use that same argument against them - show them how weak the argument is until they stop making it.

[@humanwithaplaylist]

This is literally the worst take possible

[@shauntempley9757]

He is right, because Winston despises Maori tribes, where the Maori world lives. It is no different than what Tony Blair did to the UK, and that has at most 5 years before it is destroyed beyond repair.@@humanwithaplaylist

[@lockk132]

500 years extra occupation is barely indigenous. I prefer the term first arrivals.Not to say that what pakeha elite did to Maori wasn't un ethical and immoral.

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

@@lockk132 Mate, that's EXACTLY what indigenous means... Half a millenia is a LOOONG time, longer than MANY nations existed. Māori are indigenous.

[@lockk132]

@@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies think will disagree on that definition

[@timothywakely7854]

What investigation - this story was not balanced at all.

[@WilliamMakin]

I, in no way, understand how this can be considered fair and objective news coverage both of the Australian vote on the voice to parliament and the Act party's call for a referendum regarding the Treaty of Waitangi. Instead of providing a fair and free platform for the ideas of both sides of each of these arguments to be equally and accurately represented, this whole report assumes the righteousness of the yes vote and what this report calls "Maori" and the implicit danger and nefariousness of any opposition to this reports ideas of "indigenous rights". I should also note the humour I find in the parallel assertion that any opposition to these "indigenous rights" claims the existence of "indigenous elites" and that this is conspiratorial, whilst simultaneously claiming, quite conspiratorially, that the source of any opposition for these ideas originates from global elites from the oil industry.

[@mbvbac]

It's not supposed to be "news coverage", it's an investigative report on how vested interests funded and ran the No vote in Australia with various opinions on what that might mean for here. There's nothing conspiratorial about it, unless you consider proven facts conspiratorial.

[@marsspacex6065]

Great job Australia now we need to join you guys in our own referendum to stop separatism and the racist left.

[@Maariu01]

😂

[@j6077xxd]

Hear hear.

[@Tama_36]

youre cooked

[@SordoVeloz]

In this day and age, how hard is it to turn on subtitles on important content like this documentary?

[@kevinansley7353]

Racisim was rejected in NZ and Austrailia and the complaints about it are from those who rode the racist gravey train and now have to find honest work.

[@user-FUCKYOU18]

Civil unrest still simmering so your children future at risk

[@peterferan4389]

You cannot turn the clock back. There is no difference to this situation in Australia and New zealnd,that what happened in Europe centuries ago.. it is why we give way to big trucks and trains. The biggest will always dominate the smaller. The United Nations have created expectations when they are putting their noses into something which they shouldn't.

[@AnthonyFlack]

Who needs civil rights or a rules-based order when we can just let everybody get rolled by those more powerful and let nature take its course, you mean? Prefer not.

[@Chas-te7uz]

😂

[@narkysharky2135]

This isn’t a very balanced documentary. I feel like I’m being told what’s right as opposed to hearing the facts and the story. There’s a lot of left complaining and pandering.

[@calmminds2065]

We need to be able to have an adult conversation about the fact the Aboriginal people are indigenous to Australia however Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand and are generally thought to have arrived around 700 years ago. This is a relatively short amount of time compared to the tens of thousands of years Aboriginal people have been in Australia.

[@kezza2451]

Maori are indigenous to this whenua, full stop. They didn't steal it from anyone or colonise any prior inhabitants.

[@calmminds2065]

@@kezza2451 But that's only a fairly recent take on what indigenous means. Saying full stop is typical of the lack of nuance in social conversations which drives polarization. What are the implications of this view of indigenous? Does it mean that in say 400-500 hundred years by which time other ethnic groups who were not involved in colonisation such as Chinese, Croatians etc have been in the country for 700 years that their customs and practices should be considered indigenous to New Zealand? New Zealand is a young country and we should be having conversations based on science and facts while learning from the mistakes of other places around the world.

[@x0xmwaahx0x]

What are you trying to say? The government should be forgiven maori should assimilate? For get our heritage and pretend we are a british? . I'Ill tell you now as long as I know my whakapapa and that my people died for our culture to be protected. I will tell you again i am not a pakeha. My ancestors will be proud of me❤

[@funtimesatbeaverfalls]

They are indigenous to islands like Tahiti where they lived for far longer than in NZ. Any other "definition" of indigenous is just lying to peoples faces@@kezza2451

[@AnthonyFlack]

The living culture of this place is indigenous to here. It's part Maori, it's part British, but it's not like the British British, it's part other things too, it's unique to this country and its unique aspects should be celebrated. Everyone has been wherever they are for a short time compared to Aboriginal Australians, but 700 years is still further back than I can remember.

[@alanlee8645]

Wish I could just call anyone who disagrees with me Racist and Ignorant. Saves the pesky job of reasoning and negotiating.

[@OldOneTooth]

Worth remembering if youth had voted it would have been yes.

[@steviejustamann9689]

Thank God we dont let children vote on such deeply important matters EH ?????

[@OldOneTooth]

@@steviejustamann9689 thank god they get older but keep their voting preferences.

[@steviejustamann9689]

NO MATE ! They grow up and learn better ! Its all about,,, WHAT DO WE DO NOW ! there is never going back,, there is just the future. Thank God we got rid of the death cult greens and globalist race baiting labour ! Love to you and your's !

[@waynekilgour393]

@@OldOneTooth Right , young people have a preference. Are you to old to remember what was important to you in your youth.

[@MountainMaid238]

​@@waynekilgour393Young people today know more about the world they're inheriting than we did, because they're literally getting whatever we haven't squandered - which isn't much now. So don't compare, these kids haven't had the choice to keep their childhood dreams as long as we did

[@labellaangora6887]

I think the Australians could see how divisive the Treaty is in New Zealand and made the right decision to vote No

[@theecanmole]

That's fantastic reporting as ever from Mihingarangi Forbes and the Mata team.

[@andyhunter5869]

So the government wants a treaty bill, scrap cogoverance, Maori health authority and minimise te reo. At the same time, Seymour also says, "They're trying to say that a government who (sic) stands for treating all people the same is racist." Then, the government allocated $50 million for Maori immunisation. This is a government saying what it needs to keep its mildly racist voter base happy, which also distracts everyone from their abysmal economic management that has seen them unfunded everything to cut taxes for their landlord mates.

[@shaneyule3484]

Don't be fooled New Zealand, Dividing the country by race can only end in disaster.

[@Matikemai2040]

That’s how they attack indigenous communities. Māori only wanted to co exist

[@Matikemai2040]

Fake news

[@foolish182]

That is what ACT want

[@Matikemai2040]

@@foolish182 oh yeah 👍🏾 they’re using race based tactics to enact their libertarian free market capitalism on us. Won’t happen here they done fkd up 😂😂😂

[@Matikemai2040]

@@foolish182 yep 👍🏾 but they won’t get it 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@hokiangaharris1749]

Dont let the general public vote on indigenous peoples rights. There is more outsiders than indigenous people. Hold your ground this is your country STAND UP . I am more disgusted at other native people who have settled in Australia and made it their home who does not support the indigenous people . Those people need to wake up and help their own native countries too.

[@Stick_Dinner07]

This is such a one sided documentary. Mihirangi Forbes, a very vocal pro treaty voice talks to the most pro voices in Australia, Iwi leaders and sprinkles in clips of David Seymour without talking to any regular people about what they think. Seriously, no matter what you think about this issue... this is not proper journalism at all and it's exactly the kind of thing that Mihirangi criticised at the start of the documentary.

[@philmeads5743]

Wrong wrong wrong. We as NewZealanders are one nation. That is what we want!!! I just wish that media hype would lay off.

[@PigzHeadNz]

American influences I bet.

[@fionamcgauley7027]

Black Rock corporation

[@john23402]

A co-government is deemed illegal according to an English translation of the te reo Māori Tiriti by Professor I.H. Kawharu (1988), a respected Māori chief and academic. The First Article : "The chiefs ... give absolutely to the Queen of England forever the complete government over their land." The Second Article : "The Queen of England agrees to protect the Chiefs, ... of their chieftainship over their lands." The first article assures that the New Zealand government is a sole government entity. Maoridom supporters misuse the second article to support the chieftainship in governance. However, according to article one, the Maori cannot establish a government. By referring to the Treaty in English, the Crown only guarantees "the Chiefs ... possession of their Lands" rather than chieftainship. The conclusion is that the Maori marchers can now go home with peace of mind, bearing more understanding about their Te Titiri.

[@MrCassman24]

Very one sided report. How come we didn't get both sides of the argument 🤔

[@EcoKiwiMagazine]

There's no argument. There's just understanding history and international law (eg. that Maori reps signed Te Tiriti (the Maori language text of the treaty), and in international law it would be that version of the text that would be legally binding anyway, even if they didn't sign it (which they did)! - Or are you talking about some other "argument", perhaps? What are you even talking about? Please feel free to be specific whenever you're able to be a little more clear in your thoughts.

[@mbvbac]

Not everything has to have a ‘both sides’ approach, it’s not a news report. Would we for example see an investigative report into the Holocaust and insist that Nazis were interviewed to give their perspective? No.

[@mbvbac]

@@EcoKiwiMagazinemost people who have fallen for this race-baiting by ACT, the Taxpayer’s Union etc have no interest or understanding of history or international law. They want to feel like the dominant majority is somehow the victim. Sad times for this country going backwards.

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

Ĥow awesome Mahinarangi

[@anetarawiri2250]

More great reporting. Thank you Mihi and Annabelle❤

[@vicipiz]

I read a translation of the Māori version of the treaty and it clearly say one govt will govern all of the land of NZ.

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

Oh really 😂

[@DW_Kiwi]

The trouble is. The so called Indigenous people of Australia will want more and more and more and more and more...!! and the concern is. Just like the New Zealand Maori. The feeling of the average New Zealander is that it is "too much" now!! So Auzzie watch out!!

[@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies]

Same argument can be applied to the other side... It's not a relevant point. Could argue that disabled people would keep asking for more and more and more, but it was never a bad idea to impose laws stating certain places need wheelchair ramps..... The world didn't fall apart just because someone received what you see to be 'special' treatment.....

[@boxerturner7472]

Real eye opener beautiful but sad to actually see it happen to aboriginal whanau arohamai to you. Maori are ready to weather the storm that brought my tupuna here and why we have young tamariki with law degrees

[@howlsatdesertmoon9840]

What isn't well known is that a constitutional voice to parliament would have also caused the Federal Courts to defer to the Voice Committee any legislation out of an abundance of caution. Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, an Aboriginal woman and senator, called out that the cause of the gap within Aboriginal communities was about traditional customs, such as child marriages and the lack of Aboriginal women's rights,. Also rampant drug and alcohol abuse, and a general lack of interest in child education within Aboriginal communities.

[@Erena121]

As a Kiwi, I encouraged Ozzies not to vote yes! But Oz only had to look at the mess here in NZ to know that a YES vote was divisive.

[@greenrosenz]

Seymour is correct, there is nowhere in the world where a minoriry succeed in gaining long term influence & control. The majority always prevail...and if you belive in democrativ values it should.

[@EcoKiwiMagazine]

You've never heard of tyranny of the majority, then? - The most pure form of democracy we could create these days would be citizens assemblies. What we have now is corporate sponsored dog and pony show representative electoral nonsense. Even in Australia, where they have STV which on paper ought to function even better than MMP, they're still trapped by two parties quite clearly bought out by the extractive industries. Bottom line is that our governments are NOT representing the majority of actual human citizens, but, rather, are representing the wealthiest *corporate* "citizens" who pay for all their electioneering and policy writing and promotion.

[@mbvbac]

The majority always has more influence and control, especially in a racist society.

[@tane1mahuta1]

No where else in the world has Te Tiriti

[@RaewynTairi]

That's why seymour and his 8 percent voters won't get anywhere. They are the minority

[@georgeminty6218]

Great bit of propaganda....Can't wait to see your next doco " The Myths of Maori History according to Maori Myths ". I'm stocking up on popcorn.

[@tjmarx]

The opening of this story is a lie. Australians didn't vote not to recognise aboriginals in the constitution, if that's all the referendum were about or the questions were separated Australians would have voted for recognition. What Australians didn't vote for was ASTIC 2.0 but this time embedded in the constitution instead of just in legislation. Australians voted no to a question that hadn't even been properly defined and the PM who has resided over Australian living standards dropping by 10% during his term refusing to answer questions about the proposal. Edit: It is utterly false and frankly racist, to talk about any ethnic group as if they are a monolith. As if they all think the same, want the same things, have the same political goals/ideologies and feel the same about outcomes. There were just as many indigenous Australians opposed to the voice as there were for it, and the overwhelming majority of those it claimed to be aimed at helping hadn't even been told about it. Across Arnhem Land, Northern Queensland and the Torres Strait aboriginal communities weren't being told about the voice even though that's who the Canberra mob claimed it was to help. When they were told about it by journalists seeking opinion, they didn't want it. The voice was the canberra mob trying to cement their power over all indigenous australians again. It wouldn't have helped anyone. Real inclusion is the only thing that will help and that means making the NT a state, including tewee country and all of Torres Strait in voting and redefining electoral boundaries in QLD, SA and WA to give aboriginal communities a real say over candidates instead of being swamped out by larger population centres. That drives more indigenous candidates into parliament where they can have a real voice and secure real outcomes. The way forward is through unity, not division. NZ could stand to learn that too.

[@MountainMaid238]

Unity by whose definition and according to who?

[@tjmarx]

@@MountainMaid238 Unity by the dictionaries definition, you know what the word actually means because that's how words work.

[@MountainMaid238]

@@tjmarx Yeah, ok, but do you ever use critical thinking to think for yourself? Like, who decided this definition belongs in the dictionary I'm reading? Does that persons intention, understanding and potential agenda align with mine? Unity has multiple meanings depending on who is defining it. Indigenous, catholic, science etc. Your dictionary for unity is not the only knowledge base to draw from. And all words are made up anyway, so don't take yourself so seriously.

[@gumdigger7595]

@@MountainMaid238The English have butchered other people’s dialects to suit their narrative,including Te Reo Maori!🤦‍♀️

[@MountainMaid238]

@@gumdigger7595 Um, ok. So what does that have to do with how Māori understand the narrative? Do you think Māori can't think for themselves? Can't have their own truth, their own histories? They had a voice in the past, they have their own voice now. And Pākeha can interpret whatever they want.

[@davidarundel6187]

A Ragitira , decided to whangai yself , as she saw much which others díd not - like being more Tangata Whenua , than any of her hapu . When she passed , nothing had been said , though a search was done and only a recent condolences book noted . An entry was made , mentioning things only that Hapu would know of . They still woner how i found out and the contact with the Earth, is Still there , stronger thn ever . Currently my wai , is off a major fault line , and pure , Natures inhabitants know this and have little fear , though not so narcassists , whove been removed from the marae & whenua , thru their actions . Keep the WAI , Clean , and pure , without the poisons that we're 'asked' to drink . If youre on tank water , good for you , if you have access to a clean running Puna , again drinking , cook if you must , or steam the Kai , to help keep it and your whanau clean , and healthy .

[@gavincarey4782]

eh??