David Seymour: Why Treaty of Waitangi principles should be redefined | Q+A 2024

Act leader and associate justice minister David Seymour explains the philosophy behind his Treaty Principles bill, which will be introduced into parliament in the coming months
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[@txeemo6946]

man im just happy comments are allowed :D its so good to see everyones opinions on the matter. Much appreciated for not locking the comment section

[@user-mc6js8or3r]

True full n final

[@RJH755]

QnA usually has their comments on just not 1News for some reason

[@markreynolds6220]

thy have alwyas been open on nzqna

[@MrRasZee]

@@RJH755 yes 1 news is leftist fake news

[@anthonymorgan6255]

A little bit of Glasnost from the ministry of truth .

[@chrisrutherfurd9338]

If the media and certain politicians focused as much on improving housing, infrastructure, education and health as much as they do on the treaty, NZ would be a well oiled, first world nation.

[@StGammon77]

We were in the top 5 thriving Nations once, until the Treaty interference and fraud, everyone knows it. Maori property is their tangata whenua, everywhere else they are not, every property owner is the person of that area of land simple. Principles weren't attached to the Treaty but been indoctrinated into silly racist minds and not consented by the people so here we are learning the English writ thanks colonization!

[@BainesAdam]

The Media reports on the government it doesn't make policy. you need to ask the government why it isn't concentrating on the issues that so rightly concern you. The Coalition controls house business, This is the business they choose to bring up

[@chriswhata]

@@StGammon77 what bs is thriving nations?

[@chriswhata]

get back to your cauldron and broom

[@turi03175]

Kapai Chris thats the one focus on the basics 🎉🎉instead worrying dreamers, us Moari's ain't hell bent but if anyone going muck with Moari's sovereignty there'll be a fight seemore should of left it well alone shouldn't of happen now that it has I feel for the kids brown/white/black don't matter may God protect them as we endure through tis episode of history ameni

[@sherylwhite2201]

Jack you're talking about reinterpreting of the principles as if the principles were the treaty,but they're not! The principles were first created 40+ years ago by the Courts. Pleas don't confuse the Treaty and the principles in your interviews, you just continue the confusion

[@kiwiyogi2846]

Good point.

[@frankcoggan3880]

Jack is not that smart.

[@AholeAtheist]

The "treaty" is irrelevant. We honour te Tiriti, not the treaty.

[@peterhedgecock159]

@@AholeAtheist that's because your a dickhead . Bludge on bro

[@Freedom4NME2025]

If only Our people would open their ears to broadcasts like this 🙏🙏🙏👏

[@Mizpah5]

Of course the wider public are allowed to have their say. Not just the elite.

[@mishbeazley6335]

yeah nah...Maori Elite all day every day mate

[@kevin5073]

You could argue the white elite have had too much say.

[@kevin5073]

About time the pakeha elite took a backseat.

[@geotruthnz7013]

The problem is that some Maori have used their perceived indigenous rights to bully other NZers such as the recent blocking boat ramps during the fishing contest up north. I'm Maori but why would we want Iwis to have these special rights over others when they do such petty things. There has to be a middle ground that honours the treaty but stops these radical outlaws.

[@jesseking7668]

That's exactly right mate. Equal rights for all. Anything we can have done to make new zealand a more fair, safe and prosperous is a good thing for all. Not everyone will be happy with changes, but as long as we are taking steps in the right direction.

[@kevin5073]

Because it was THEIR land. At the time of the signing, they outnumbered Europeans 40 to 1. Signing the treaty with the Crown ALLOWED your ancestors to come here and live. And how were they paid back for that generosity? Theft, murder, supression of their culture to name but three. For a 130 years people were happy to take advantage of that and now that the ledger is being evened up, its all 'what about MY rights'.

[@AholeAtheist]

Good. What's radical is actually ignoring history and pretending that the radical things Maori had to endure never happened. Stopping a bunch of people going recreational fishing is not radical.

[@kevin5073]

Nothing ‘perceived’ about it and they are indigenous to this country whether you like it or not.

[@geotruthnz7013]

@@AholeAtheist Those people going recreational fishing are Maori as well. Iwi radical protectionism effects everyone and as happened historically Maori will fight with each other and not just against non Maori. I know this well being a Maori fisherman and Iwi are some of the worst when it comes to pillaging the local fishery. Some Iwi pretend to care for the oceans stopping recreational fishing but often it's an excuse just for control. Extremism is going to make things worse and not heal historic wrongs.

[@overover..]

So nice to see David debated by a formidable intellectual, instead of misrepresented by hacks

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL. Jack Genocide Supporter Tame is not that. And David hasn't been misinterpreted just because some people see through his disingenuous lies and dog whistles. Perhaps you need to go back to school.

[@danwilliams6172]

Good on you David for pushing of one New Zealand not division.

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL. He is the one pushing division. Intelligent pakeha have solidarity with Maori. That is unity. Seymour is just playing to the low IQ racists.

[@jamesbroughton7635]

Question I ask is from whose book of equality are you reading from?

[@Dave183]

They should have had a vote, from the population, in 1840, regarding the treaty, not in 2024

[@StGammon77]

Treaty was a vote

[@randybryanpanopio2417]

The host is wrong in saying 194 years. It’s just 184 years.

[@moronicdooshbaggery756]

Treaty was the vote

[@dallynstevens7855]

They did and it ended in war cause the Brits didn't care. Maori brought their greviences to the crown and the crown just turned a blind eye

[@kevin5073]

80,000 Maori v 2,000 Europeans. How do you think that would have gone then?

[@feesullivan3439]

All people. We should never decide by race. That happened in the past.

[@Aids183]

Where? and what was the outcome?

[@2nycwidit77]

Exactly this is an open door for racism

[@turi03175]

Racism everyday trolls are using Moari's history to discredit moari happening right now present moment using it to decide Moari's future in a country Moari own?how was that worked out?by stealing the owners lands truth has to be expressed out no repentance they going to hell if someone a atheist they going to hell once truth is revealed the curses will be lifted in Jesus precious name amen

[@andyoliver5140]

I agree with david on this

[@tangatatoamma5240]

theres no talk of Maori retaining there Rangatiratanga, which was agreed upon by both Maori and Pakeha.

[@StGammon77]

David is one of the Rangitira voted in by NZ, can't you understand you are all just citizens like everyone else

[@jesseking7668]

Can Seymour pass a bill so new zealanders can effectively block ads from temu?

[@agnesgibson8916]

😃😃2nd thatLL

[@theoriginaltoadnz]

hahaa gold.

[@YeeWhoEnterHere]

No that would be useful, and cause too much mental relief. He's here to do the opposite

[@jamesbroughton7635]

Kia ora Sheryl, While you’re correct the Principles and Treaty and Te Tiriti documents are 2 very different things and have been compiled by scholars (historians especially), courts, Waitangi tribunal, Iwi leaders and Politicians. The Treaty Principles are what is known as the Treaty and Te Tiriti representative in New Zealand law. The problem for David, is that the Principles were built around fair interpretation of both documents and acknowledged Maori as did the treaty and te tiriti. David’s interpretation of the Principles doesn’t align with any of the Treaty or Te Tiriti texts and has been told so by many experts both left and right.

[@food4thort]

The Maori version of the Treaty (as translated on the Waitangi Tribunal website): PREAMBLE - Victoria, the Queen of England, in her concern to protect the chiefs and the subtribes of New Zealand and in her desire to preserve their chieftainship and their lands to them and to maintain peace and good order considers it just to appoint an administrator one who will negotiate with the people of New Zealand to the end that their chiefs will agree to the Queen's Government being established over all parts of this land and (adjoining) islands and also because there are many of her subjects already living on this land and others yet to come. So the Queen desires to establish a government so that no evil will come to Māori and European living in a state of lawlessness. So the Queen has appointed 'me, William Hobson a Captain' in the Royal Navy to be Governor for all parts of New Zealand (both those) shortly to be received by the Queen and (those) to be received hereafter and presents to the chiefs of the Confederation chiefs of the subtribes of New Zealand and other chiefs these laws set out here. THE FIRST - The Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land. THE SECOND - The Queen of England agrees to protect the chiefs, the subtribes and all the people of New Zealand in the unqualified exercise of their chieftainship over their lands, villages and all their treasures. But on the other hand the Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs will sell land to the Queen at a price agreed to by the person owning it and by the person buying it (the latter being) appointed by the Queen as her purchase agent. THE THIRD - For this agreed arrangement therefore concerning the Government of the Queen, the Queen of England will protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England.

[@Andrew1991taxed]

Doesn’t matter, both versions are written by an Englishman. I’m law the primary signatory interpretation stands ie the english

[@planbzy7391]

​@@Andrew1991taxed the indigineous takes precedence in world law

[@food4thort]

FYI The above Maori version of the ToW was translated by Sir Hugh Kawharu and appears on the Waitangi Tribunal website. Both the English and Maori versions clearly cede government of the whole country forever to the British Crown. What is left of 'sovereignty' (Kingitanga - not mentioned in the Treaty) after you carve out the activities of Government is perhaps a debatable point. @@Andrew1991taxed

[@_.Marz._]

​@@PeterHemmingson According to the Cambridge and Oxford definitions...MĀORI ARE CONSIDERED AS INDIGENOUS 😅 C'mon Peteyboy, I know it's a hard pill for superiority-complexes to swallow but welp...the really important question I have for you though is: "Are you paying the right amount in taxes"? I'd hate to see the books unbalanced...that could have a huge impact on my govt handouts 😇😂

[@ajk4842]

@@Andrew1991taxed lol that's stupid. Try that trick with an agreement with another country like China or Russia. Two linguistically different versions of a contract need to mean the same thing.

[@kevinrogers2774]

Is it not time we, New Zealand, grew up and created, turned the treaty, and this discussion into a constitution?

[@StGammon77]

We already have Commonwealth Magna Carta

[@unclejoe7958]

Can anyone else see a conflict of interest regarding the ‘crown’ and Maori ? The so called partnership is between the crown,ie the nz government and Maori. But Maori can be part of the government and also remain as Maori. If the treaty is between the crown and Maori it implies that the crown or government was never intended to include Maori as a parliamentary representative. How can you be both part of the crown and Maori ? Maori signed the treaty acknowledging that the crown would govern nz. There was a complete distinction between the crown and Maori. Nowhere does the treaty state that Maori shall govern. Therefore why are some Maori governing. I have no qualms with Maori in parliament so long as they represent all New Zealanders, but I’m still confused about the distinction and role of crown and Maori.

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

That's why you adopt the Maori nickname "ordinary we are Tangatawhenua

[@ajk4842]

I think Maori know NZ or the crown will never pay dollar for dollar in compensation for the wrongs that have been committed to Maori. It would be nice but we know there would probably be no more NZ due to bankruptcy. However, we say fine, kei te pai, since you can't return all the land, can't pay us the full amount of what it is worth, we shall require a seat at the decision making table to be able to discuss policies that effect us. For example, if you want your powerlines to run through this area, stay away from placing the pylons or trenches where my ancestors are buried, you can put them anywhere else. If you want to discharge your waste water into the streams we have used for generations, you need to have a treatment system that gets the water to a acceptable quality before discharging. I think, it is these types of things that we are ultimately asking for as a minimum. I guess a form of co-governance. We are not here to block every development or policy under the sun. Some are good. Heck, our ancestors were developers when they first arrived. It's the developments and policies that affect us and are run by the people who don't even care about us that we have a problem with.

[@MDL.720]

If all of the land of NZ was returned to the Maori, most of the highly skilled labour we have here would simply move overseas and the infrastructure would rapidly collapse. "can't pay us the full amount of what it is worth" The primary reason those assets are worth what they are is because of the contribution of ALL NZe'rs. That wealth wasn't created out of thin air. That land is worth nothing without the 200 or so years of sweat and tears ALL NZ'ers have invested into this country since the treaty was signed to make it the prosperous country it is today. Why do Maori people have a right to all of that wealth which they didn't solely create? In regards to the power lines, waste water, etc. This applies to ALL NZ'ers, ALL of us want adequate water treatment and as minimal amount of pollution as possible, ALL of us want to protect the environment, ALL of us want the graves of our ancestors shown respect, I don't see how these issues are exclusive to Maori and therefore require co-governance?

[@ajk4842]

@@MDL.720 We already know it isn't feasible to return all land to Maori. Won't stop us from trying to claim some back. We already know NZ won't pay the full amount. Because of the reasons you pointed out. We understand that land has been worked on by NZ'ers, farmers, companies, NZ has benefited from the development, it doesn't change the fact that our family had been killed for this to happen. In some area's we don't own a blade of grass of a site that our ancestors were killed on by British Forces. So we ask the current landowners to include us in the decisions they make involving the significant area's we have been disposed of. I understand you believe these issues applies to all NZ'ers, but sadly there are too many instances were Maori are left out, ignored, disregarded when it comes to protecting our significant sites that have history dating centuries. But lets protect a 60 year Old Victorian dwelling? We know majority of Europeans don't care about us, we are out numbered in our own homeland. If a development came across the table that negatively affected us, no one would advocate for Maori, more than Maori.

[@ajk4842]

@@MDL.720 We know returning all of the land will be a detriment to NZ and probably be the end of this country. I don't think most educated Maori want that. What we do want is to protect our most sacred places and resources that our ancestors had for centuries before being dispossessed of it by the British. If we can get it back, then cool. If not, then fine. Please let us be part of the decisions that concern these places we once had before being killed for it. We understand the work all NZers role in creating wealth in this country. We don't deny that. But the land was confesicated in the first place. If I stole something from you, gave it to someone else to develop and improve, it doesn't change the fact that it was stolen. We know we won't get back land or dollars of what it's worth. We don't want to dispossess ordinary NZers of their hard work. So for our compensation of being wronged, we ask for at least a seat at the decision making table to try protect what we've lost, and what very little we do have. Unfortunately, no, not all NZers want adequate waste water treatment, minimal pollution, protection of the environment, and protecting our grave sites. The amount of resource consent requests Iwi receive, asking to discharge untreated water into nearby streams and rivers is too much for some iwi to manage. There are still many developments that stumble on our ancestors villages and end up digging their bones. Some mining and construction companies even hide these discoveries to avoid the headache of dealing with Maori. Why do we ask for co-governance? Because we know most Europeans dont care about us, our history and our generational connection to NZ. we are out numbered in our own homeland. When the government makes decisions that impact Maori, even after signing the treaty, no one else will advocate for Maori, more than Māori, the original inhabitants of this land.

[@rockyjones2563]

⁠@@ajk4842 I thought hawaiki was the homeland of Maori?

[@ajk4842]

@@rockyjones2563 Motherland. I think Hawaiki to most Māori, is a place, physically or spiritually, where their ancestors came from before they arrived to their turangawaewae, or place they now call home in NZ. In turn, there are many hawaki. That's why you see many similar names through out the Pacific. Hawaii, Savaii, Havaiki and more.

[@iBeLordi]

After moving to the Waikato from Wellington from what I have seen is that Maori do not care about Maori they love to talk about how Maori are one people and it's complete bullshit. There has and always will be a class war; the Maori elite have no interests in looking after Maori they're only interested in looking after themselves. So the end result is quite simple David Seymour can see that quite clearly which is putting everyone on the exact same ground with the exact same respect and rights to the land and people who we share this beautiful country with. I am Maori myself but face constant ostracization from those who also claim to be Maori and from years of having my own Mana dishonoured I believe that the values of Maori that were signed under the treaty to be protected are as dead as those who signed said treaty. It's time to move on and there is no time like the future.

[@tanepukenga1421]

It's funny how it's only pakeha saying that

[@rosspreston8361]

Its interesting that the written Maori language in 1840 was in its infancy. History says Hongi Hika instigated the written Maori language on a visit to England. He died in 1828, only 12 years before the treaty was signed. I would suggest that the Maori was not very advanced at the time of signing and the amount of interpretation that has gone on since is merely opportunistic

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

Idiot just because they were orators doesn't make them as stupid as they were when they were missionary literate, learn the reo of your conquer idiot

[@taylorjessica4286]

Surely if there's a variation to a contract/legislative agreement both parties have to agree to any variations/changes. Otherwise how can it be the same contract?

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

There is no variation. The ToW made everyone equal.

[@trihard3d]

Well neither of the parties are alive today.

[@YoCalmYaFarm]

Yes and to do it in ‘good faith’. Not try to wipe the slate clean without any consultation of the other party. As much as David Seemore$$ would like people to believe what an ideal outcome would look like for him, this is not Neverland.

[@aaronjacobs4411]

@@JamesClark-cg1qkyou are right, but obviously there is a little bit more involved!

[@markswanson2716]

​@@trihard3d both parties are alive today because it is a treaty between "the crown" and a collective of Iwi. Both parties are alive and well today. 👍

[@ducker09]

Press on David . Dont look back WE ARE ALL BEHIND YOU .😮

[@darrenhaumaha8900]

Seymour wants equals RIGHTS for ALL NZers Non Maori and Maori

[@StGammon77]

Yeh Pakeha and non Pakeha

[@kristobahl]

Shame he lives in a country where Maori were the original inhabitants, and Maori made the mistake of letting the whiteys in. Would be good to see the Maori just kick everybody the fuc# out! And Im a whitey

[@StGammon77]

There's no Maori left they married our men 😅😅😅

[@StGammon77]

Maoris are mostly Euro non maori

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

We all have culture, some have survived only to be attacked over and over, wake up now 😢

[@jamesbroughton7635]

The funny thing is Jack Tame asked a simple question that David Seymour couldn’t answer and it was: “The Treaty was signed by 2 explicitly defined parties, the Crown and Maori Rangātira. So how would it be just for one of those parties to reinterpret the principles as it wishes, without the consent of the other party?” The problem for David, is that while the Treaty Principles are considered the Treaty and Te Tiriti representative in New Zealand law, what he proposes goes right outside of what the Treaty and te Tiriti said, and more importantly what was agreed to by scholars and politicians (both left and right) who agreed to these principles which are based upon the Treaty of Waitangi more than Te Tiriti. Yet both documents both state that Maori have a partnership with the Crown and hold rights of Tino Rangatiratanga over their people, lands and assets.

[@thomasr246]

Can Jake answer a simple question that David asks him, is this how journalists act now?

[@julioduck19]

Bro this isn't a debate it's called an interview for a reason...

[@thomasr246]

@@julioduck19 just so obvious as David pointed out that Jake is stamping his own views on the interview , like majority of media in nz doing, it’s like he’s attacking with questions to try catch him out. Weak journalism

[@ajk4842]

I think it's good. Māori don't have the opportunity to ask these questions to Seymour. Seymour wont talk to us, unless we have money or land. I welcome the debate tho. I didn't agree with Māori drowning out Seymour and Winston at Waitangi. I wanted to hear what they had to say.

[@budsnz]

It’s not”Jack’s” job to answer questions.

[@thomasr246]

@@budsnz it is when you ask silly ones. And he puts this whole ideology clear on display and into the question are we in nz heading down America path of Left wing Ring wing main media because our journalists can’t keep there own ideology out of there journalism?

[@userSoloAnime]

We need change here. Not only our Maori people are discriminated but the poor, even some rich. It started with only maori, but the powers at be have mastered manipulation and control over all others.

[@user-mc6js8or3r]

Davey boy playing the foul card that he's placed on all government corporations an asking for a free click

[@userSoloAnime]

The bro David has had enough lol

[@markreynolds6220]

hu? do u not understand u cant write a coherent comment like u wer talking to the cuzzys at the fish n chip shop....you come across like a child ...no wonder you lot have been duped for so long by iwi elite ...fools @@user-mc6js8or3r

[@donjorvead2431]

Change needs to start with the people themselves.

[@userSoloAnime]

@@donjorvead2431 how many times have the people tried over the years but nothing getting done.

[@tn8584]

Damn straight 👍

[@mishbeazley6335]

straight up the a$@e ae

[@ananamu2248]

Be careful New Zealanders ....be aware that stirring up can come from outside the country If one party frames the proposals then duscussion is defined by yes and no to those proposals ....if the proposals are mapped out by several participants ,then it becomes more like a negotiation with options being generated . The truckers involvement in the last covid protest made it more militant and aggressive until the creative ones took over . Please stay aware of divisive dangers .

[@jasonpickens9839]

Just wait until it passes first reading and goes to the select committee then everyone can make submissions and lobby their MPs

[@josriley5280]

The majority voted to redefined this treaty and the Govt can't go back on it's word.

[@ajk4842]

Act got about 9% of the vote?

[@StGammon77]

​@@ajk4842maoris got 2.5% lol

[@ajk4842]

@@StGammon77 I actually voted National. But 9% is still not the majority voting for treaty reform. National didn't campaign on a treaty referendum.

[@Ruru-pj3ve]

It is not about the principles or equal rights, it is a resource grab, follow the money peeps. If the rights of Maori to exercise tinorangatiratanga, and therefore protection, over their lands, estates, forests, fisheries and other treasures (Article two of Te Tiriti) is extingished, then that is an important barrier removed to the wholesale exploitation of Aotearoa's natural resources by corporate interests. We all lose if this Bill is passed .

[@Kereru]

100%. Seymour is a neoliberal. He doesn't care about protecting our resources for the future or the equality of kiwis, he cares about creating a system where corporations and private interests rule supreme.

[@carolosborne2899]

100%!!! You're on to them!!!

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

💯

[@TheSpartacusBrown]

They aren't proposing to change the Articles of the ToW so nothing is being extinguished. Also, iwi are currently exploiting fishery (natural) resources as a commercial entity, so should we follow that money?

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

@@TheSpartacusBrown of course we should- all corruption, nobody is above the law, don't forget- the treaty is the law too, you can say your not changing the treaty, while you change the way it's interpreted, but don't act like there's a difference. It's just another way to skin the same cat.

[@jackie7892]

If it hinders how the country is going forward , it should be refined

[@kingdavid3066]

this country has gone nothing but backwards my whole life, i think these supremacists should take a seat for a maori prime minister

[@jonathantepairi2664]

When the treaty was written into english,,,there was no consultation with maori about the definitions, infliction ,and meaning of what each word meant to convey ,as a result the rushed treaty took only a few days to complete by two pakeha , once again without consultation with iwi,hapu or chiefs about what was going to be written in the treaty. ,and after the consent of the people was signed or the treaty of waitangi in this instance,,,,,by signing the treaty the english knew they could ratify that doccument using the doctrine of christian discovery with the term terra nullius which means nobody's land or land that nobody owns and effectively allowed them to seize land beloning to the indigenous populations because they were seen as not human and non christian ,,,my point here is if the treaty of waitangi was used to confiscate maori land under that premise then the treaty would to have had legal binding status under domestic new zealand law for the confiscation to be legal ,yet today the treaty has no legal status in new zealand law or the international law because it was an agreement signed between two parties yet despite not having legal status it was used to take maori land and to claim sovereignty of its people and its resources this shows the hypocracy of European christian law and the decipt and betrayal of context in that treaty

[@wuattwhanau5794]

First and second already in place. Third one strips Māori of our soveriegn right. Its never been honoured only tokenistically or ceremonially. He does not have that right. The Treaty guaranteed pakeha citizenship. We already had that prior with our PRE EXISTING RIGHTS. So I reckon hes doing back room deals with a foreign country and companies - it wont effect Māori it will effect Pakeha

[@justinfarrow4803]

Thought I'd watch to try and inform myself, I seem more confused. Sounds like David wants to re interpret the bill of principles to suit what he thinks it should be, without consulting or discussions with the people that one of the founding documents of this country was drawn up to protect in the first place. You dont sign a purchase or rental agreement and then start changing things as you go to suit when you feel like it without the outher party agreeing, so whats the difference with the treaty

[@zanetaranaki7918]

Exactly my take on it too. I heard a lot of 'I' want or 'I' think from David Seymour.

[@Kereru]

Exactly, try telling your bank it's just not practical to pay the rest of your mortgage 😂

[@carlngatai7201]

This sounds like exactly the opposite of what he has been saying

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

Agreed- This is the proverbial forked tongue colonisers are famous for. Can't understand why we don't all follow the money- it always tells the truth.

[@StGammon77]

The principles written are a problem that's why they have to be corrected

[@jasonwalker2950]

Just get rid of Treaty of Waitangi.

[@Lachlan_Deans_]

exactly it isn’t 1840 no more

[@user-xu8ns2oh2y]

Why boy

[@accessaryman]

i see it like this, we educate about the treaty but only what they want us to learn, with treaty matters you have to learn the lead up to it , the reasons why it came about and who instigated the process, when we understand that, we know all we need to know,, FIrst was the letter to king william from 13 maori chief asking him to come and treat with them in 1831 for specific reasons, Secondly was the declaration of independence of new zealand, which was hereby constituted and declared and independent state under the designation of the united tribes of new zealand, Thirdly the treaty of waitangi in 1840, knowing all this and the reasons for it , we all have a better understanding of what it is about,

[@StGammon77]

Pakeha understand it so Murrysville better catch up with the brainmatter

[@tonygee3284]

Great work David

[@hirinivernon5487]

Love each other❤

[@womenofworthtrust5682]

Te tiriti was an agreement between the Queen of England and Maori Not Kiwi and Maori

[@mobbarley7517]

Exactly

[@gbrown9663]

Kiwi is a bird

[@teharipumautonu]

You're right, the crown, the English royal family, not your everyday Joe seymour trying to have a go

[@mitchelldenysschen3224]

And anyone that thinks that the Royal Family in UK have even read or cares about the Te Tiriti is greatly mistaken. Time for all people living in New Zealand to look to each other, wave goodbye to this royal family that does not care about us, and move into the future as a Republic with a new written Constitution.

[@MDL.720]

@@mitchelldenysschen3224 The UK would see this as a mark of disrespect, I'm not sure that would be in our best interest. We're a small, defenceless, and relatively poor country on the global stage, we need as much support as we can get. Especially with the emergence of BRICS.

[@guyl9208]

Universal Human Rights for the win woop.

[@thurston905]

Never happy. After another 50 years, they will want it revised again, and again, and again...

[@stephenlaurence8650]

We are not a republic but we should be!

[@user-mc6js8or3r]

Who owns the natural resources???😮

[@AholeAtheist]

True, but that shouldn't mean doing away with te Tiriti. We should still honour it with tangata te tiriti standing in for "the Crown".

[@randymagnum7817]

Go David. Best politician we have in NZ

[@lastofthewildmen4683]

Historical records show instances where certain Maori chiefs or leaders entered into agreements with European settlers to sell land without consulting or obtaining the consent of all members of their tribes or communities. These transactions, often facilitated by language barriers, cultural misunderstandings, or coercion, resulted in significant loss of land for many Maori communities. The benefits to Maori chiefs who engaged in selling land without proper consultation with their tribal people varied depending on the circumstances. In some cases, chiefs may have received immediate material gains such as weapons, tools, blankets, or other goods from European settlers in exchange for land. Additionally, they may have perceived the agreements as a way to establish alliances or secure protection from potential conflicts with other Maori tribes or European settlers.

[@mordfustang3794]

Yeah, sure. The historical records compiled by the european colonizers. The european colonizers were the most perfect human beings ever. Never killed, never looted, never forced, and certainly never abused the naivety of the more naive natives.😂

[@cadewishart9757]

@@mordfustang3794 my brother don't act like Maori were perfect either. The tribe i whakapapa too, Ngati Whatua, was defeated and disbursed by Ngapuhi (Hone Hika) in the 1800s. Maori were not stupid either. They took the opportunities they had at the time, traded and fought as they saw fit. The nature of humanity does not change just because the resources they have access to were less.

[@hoaniwitana1104]

No the treaty has never been Honored it was dishonerd by pakeha not long after being signed .

[@2nycwidit77]

They knew what they were doing and you know that

[@ajk4842]

@@2nycwidit77 yes some chiefs knew they were selling land, they had no authority over, to disposess land underneath their enimies feet. British wouldn't care to establish the true owner of land before buying it from the so called owner. They just wanted the land by any means. Let someone sell your house they have no authority over and the government (that's meant to protect your rights) allows it, see how pissed you get.

[@BamBam-uf4yi]

The government can't change the treaty its the treaty that gives them the right to govern the country. Btw. Where the hell are they gonna dig up 200 maori chiefs to sign off on the new treaty.

[@mishbeazley6335]

well theres yr answer; cant so dont

[@StGammon77]

Exactly, they spoke their intent its all recorded in the Kohimarama Conference papers in fact there's a book now called Kohimarama Conference by Tross Publishing plus other astonishing books of compiled documentation that throws a truth light on deceiving Maori Treaty tougher and racists

[@stevandunn2437]

He’s not proposing to change the treaty. He’s proposing to change the treaty principles that were done under the Lange govt

[@StGammon77]

It's the 1000 pages of principles that's the problem, it's like adding to the Bible, but because maori brownists have created a monster it now needs to be defined as the Country now has a grievance with the Crown and we matter!!

[@dominicprice1043]

This is the worst racial slinging I have seen in NZ for many years, and now being talked about across the globe; people are now forced to choose sides, many people swayed by paid online social media influencers. I was happy the way it was... didn't affect or bother me as a non Maori New Zealander.

[@markreynolds6220]

so equality for all is some how racist ....u r confused

[@Neff17]

Yeah you’re spot on. All I hear is people whinging. People who follow politics, especially via MSM are all doom and gloom. From what I’ve seen David Seymour’s just another woke politician

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

The principle of equal rights for all is paramount.

[@dominicprice1043]

Didn't we promised maori their rights for the atrocities they suffered through colonisation of over 100 years, being out numbered and over powered and not allowing them to speak maori at our schools. It seems, now we have changed our minds? And are now going to copy the Australians and go for a majority vote, knowing Maori will probably be out numbered and over powered, so we can put restrictions on their language? So I'm not sure about equal rights, well not yet anyway. @@JamesClark-cg1qk​

[@charmaineilaiutalei3316]

Why do you need a bill to feel equal? We all have equal value but what has that got to do with governance? We can't all govern this nation and its resources. We can't all be the Indigenous of a place. So get over it and accept that Māori were here first and many of us live and enjoy their unceded property

[@eatsmokedrink]

NZ will NEVER move forward as a country until maori are treated like everyone else. In fact, maori will never do better - and they are not, until they decide they are like everyone else. Trying to get special rights will condemn them to other native populations to oblivion forever aggrieved and not prosperous. This is the paradox that is perpetual voluntary victimhood. if you look at successful maori - who did not rely on special rights, they are not the ones whining. NZ would be so great if everyone forged ahead as one. But the likes of Hone and the protestors are are all just perpeetual 'victims'

[@AholeAtheist]

Umm, part of them getting treated like others necessarily involves them getting some special treatment to improve the outcomes they are suffering. They're victims because they're actually victims. You need a better education.

[@eatsmokedrink]

Yes, 'victims' sure, everyone is a victim at some point. how many years of affirmative action and special rights do you need? hwo much does the country suffer with affirmative action on medical school - and many not passing and shortage of doctors? in NZ we have beyond equality of opportunity now for this group - in fact the pendulum has swung so wide, maori get free stuff all the time. Maori will not do better if they are treated this way. entitlement, waste of taxpayer funds and opportunity. Educate yourself. No nation that panders to extreme affirmative acction actually unites and that group does well. Fact. Affirmative action destroys respect and aspiration. Fact@@AholeAtheist

[@tanepukenga1421]

Then why did you oppose us getting equal health treatment under te whatu ora?

[@eatsmokedrink]

@@tanepukenga1421 there is nothing stopping anyone getting treatment at hospitals or Drs. Race based considerations are stupid. No Dr turns down a patient for race... You just gotta show up to your appts. Should be need based not social justice based.

[@jackie7892]

I like the number 3 refined principle : all New Zealander should have equal rights … no one is above other ethics , like UsA and AU

[@margaretpowell5447]

Do you think the American Indians have the same rights or the Aborigines.

[@dasheimataiti]

Or African Americans aswell who have been striped of their original identity culture and language gone

[@haydenkelliher2859]

@@margaretpowell5447 NZ got a much better deal with the crown

[@daisyandcoffee1]

Absolutely they don’t

[@HelenYvetteFoster-el5mr]

So 👍 true

[@ajk4842]

Maori aren't trying to just veto everything. We want to be apart of the process because for too long, the crown just trample and disregard us, and don't care about a group of people who have lived here for centuries. If generations of a Maori community have a Marae next to a river or stream, and use it to gather food, or swim in, or whatever they use it for, and then a developer, farmer, industrial factory, or some organization upstream wants to discharge untreated water into these waterways, we want to be able to be at the discussion table and say "hey guys, that isn't a good idea because you will be effecting this community. Lets discuss other options".

[@StGammon77]

Government shouldnt favour groups sorry, newsflash! ... you're not special

[@ajk4842]

@@StGammon77 They shouldn't, but they have. The Government has favored Europeans for centuries.

[@TheSpartacusBrown]

Your scenario would be awful, but Maori do not need special rights to prevent it. We need to task our goverent with preventing it, which we do. Or is this about the Koha that Maori expect for being at the table?

[@ajk4842]

@@TheSpartacusBrown Māori are outnumbered in their homeland. We know majority of NZers don't care about us and just vote in a new government to trample on us. It has happened now and has before. The treaty is the main thing we use to protect our history and ancient connections to this land and in doing so, we help preserve other parts of NZs natural environment. Because we know most of NZ don't care about it if it isn't bringing in money to their pockets.

[@TheSpartacusBrown]

@@ajk4842 saying "the majority of NZers don't care about us" is a roundabout way of saying Pakeha don't care about us. Which is a generalization based on race, ie racist. It's also untrue. All NZers have common core values that we need to recognize and uphold, that's what makes our community strong. Creating separate status or culture by race should not be one of them.

[@squashum778]

Māori don’t want equal rights, they want ‘ special ‘ rights.

[@turi03175]

Never been equal you live moari if not you know FA

[@izaiahlomax6239]

i’m māori, i feel like i have the same rights as you do, only difference is that i’m probably prettier then you

[@mishbeazley6335]

now your learning bra...

[@tanepukenga1421]

funny how it's always pakeha telling everyone what maori want

[@kingdavid3066]

equal mana for all? does that mean were all going to be wealthy ? because i earnt my mana and if you want some you can earn it too, but if its mana for all i better be wealthy

[@chriswhata]

earnt your mana by squatting on stolen land.

[@anthonymorgan6255]

​@@chriswhata grow up .

[@taneh-d4065]

Mana isnt just wealth

[@heminuiraho9990]

treaty principles bill to interpret the Maori text of the treaty, with no Maori included in helping to draft it...seems legit. Like designs for a nuclear bomb designed by a pastry chef!

[@Tankhorse02]

Well said Jack 😎👍

[@DevonR564]

What happens if this goes to referendum and gets a yes vote? will there then be violence?

[@MediVacPack]

Most definitely, Ive got a baseball bat that says so. 🤍🖤♥️

[@anthonymorgan6255]

​@@MediVacPackgrow up

[@LUAPIGNAR]

Wont be any referendum, tell Ol' mate MediVacPack he won't need his baseball bat..the referendum was struck out on a sucker ball.

[@StGammon77]

Yes for what? There's no posing question yet

[@MediVacPack]

Don't get yah knickers in a twist Alfred, it's a joke. Rather unsettling joke but still a joke. But I would like to say, if it dose pass can we call NewZealand "Mixed Lollies"? Cause you know... that signifies NewZealand is for everybody of every country because we don't want a unique identity specially not tho meoowriēs we want our country for everyone on the planet aye guys 🙆🏽

[@miaoqiao8313]

I would like to show my respect to David - raising this issue requires massive courage. I also like his way of grasping the fundamental problem - the equality of human being. What attracts talents to New Zealand, an isolated island in Pacific, is not only the fabulous view, kind people (Tahiti also has them), but more importantly, a modern and advanced governance. Without the equality of people, the country partially becomes a tool to produce wealth to a small group of people based on their bloodline. Who is going to join just to be a ``slave”? In such cases, New Zealand will degrade to a third class country. Leadership is to find a direction for the future. I can see leadership in David.

[@cmt89497]

Don't compare Tahiti to New Zealand. Tahiti, or French Polynesia (which is probably what you are referring to) are not even self governing. They have been under French rule since the 1840s and are considered French citizens. This is a way of stripping people of their identity and their autonomy and is essentially what the coalition government are trying to do to the Tangata Whenua of Aotearoa New Zealand. You think Maori are given more job opportunities because of their heritage? How about when people are given jobs because they speak Mandarin? What do you think about that? Do you think that's biased as well?

[@MG-fr3tn]

The fisharys should acknowledge the prowess of technology and science. Referring to customary rights in the age of modern materials and devices is daft. A whole new culture needs to be contemplated. The first step should be understanding our new immense prowess as humans.

[@2nycwidit77]

So hard working people who gained land are now striped because theya ain't maori wtfrk

[@petertrott5107]

He makes sense, it's the way I feel. It needs to be clear in everyone's head. Let's bring it on, let's bring to the table.

[@tearkshunta5407]

What exactly needs to be clear? Honoring the Treaty!!!! yes I agree. Seymour Butts just contradicted himself and tried to dodge Jacks questions so he had to repeat the question.

[@petertrott5107]

@@tearkshunta5407 I will say this once the whole treaty and now shut your stupid mouth

[@user-mc6js8or3r]

Wat does it truly mean for all NZers without diminishing or changing the treaty of waitangi and maori customary rights , , ,

[@petertrott5107]

@@user-mc6js8or3r stop abusing the English language you racist. This is a serious disgusting insult Wat is spelt What.

[@illogicalslayer9856]

How does he make sense? If this was a world wherein the treaty was upheld from the start we would probably have an entwined government of Māori and Crown at the moment. Not one where Māori are still second class citizens in Aotearoa New Zealand. If the treaty was upheld from the start there would be no situation where they would need "extra rights" (there are no such extra rights, it is just people complaining about having to uphold the treaty) to fix past wrongs by now.

[@tonywalker3113]

Maori never owned this land,they were immigrants,just like us,what about the first peoples that were here,the Waitaha, KZbin … skeletons in the closet , no interviewer or iwi ever goes there, they were murdered,made slaves of,raped and eaten by Maori, what ! Your demanding respect ! You’ve had more opportunities than most that I’ve ever seen in any country of the world,can’t wait for our referendum.

[@tanepukenga1421]

It's hillarious you hold the guy up who lied about his qualifications, going to oxford AND was caught red handed stealing recent Maori corpses to put in his "productions" as a source of truth. It just shows how gulible you and 6 other people are, and how you never learned to fact check your sources in primary school

[@mikebruce7750]

Go David!!! 1 people 1 vote

[@braydeny]

David is actually talking about being sad about the loss of his different rights and privileges

[@matiupyro660]

11:29 aw yeah a different set of territorial right which were abrogated by the Colonial settlers govt which judge Prendergast sed were a "simple nullity"

[@1976funkster]

So refreshing to see the comments that seem so different to main stream media narrative... Go David!!

[@Alex.t314]

So you don't agree with the ToW? And believe Mōari greatly benefited from "special" treatment?

[@1976funkster]

@@Alex.t314 And what does the treaty say??..Same thing as David

[@Alex.t314]

@1976funkster What do you think the treaty principles mean?

[@Matowix]

No more favoritism for Maori. None are full blooded anyway

[@tamulawrence8865]

Davids Atlas backers are salivating

[@hiroki947]

If someone is kind enough to explain me, why ACT: - focus on this as if it was the most important thing to do? - why passing that bill, what really going to change if accepted? - why so much opposition? Why so many people are against? What are their views? Should we be concerned by this proposal? 🤷 Neither in favor or against, just lost in this political/societal debates

[@lesley9463]

It's a massive deflection to distract us, while they get on and pass bills that screw average kiwis.

[@Metallislayer1]

1. Act got voted into govt, the treaty principles bill was something they campaigned on. It is important for a govt to focus on the things they campaigned on, because that is the policy that people who voted want. 2. it will change the interpretation of the treaty by the courts and as a constitutional document 3. opposition is part of a democracy, however the opposition did not win the election, so we should not be concerned that there are people who disagree.

[@miaoqiao8313]

This is the most important thing in my opinion. If you work for a number of years in New Zealand, you will feel that the resources, rights, promotions, are not fairly distributed, even taxpayers money. People with Māori bloodline, even only 1/4 of Māori, has much higher privilege than immigrates from other countries. The evaluation is not merit based and is not fair. NZ is an immigration country, a remote island in the middle of no where. If it cannot retain talent by treating them fairly, talent just can leave, to Australia, to US to elsewhere. If the trend started by the last government is not reverted, New Zealand could become a Māori country, close its door to the outside of the world, a doomed dead end. For example, if travelers to NZ need to learn Māori language to live here, who would stay?

[@victoriakerry6041]

1. They likely campaigned on this as a way of appealing to people with anti-left sentiment especially based on 3 waters and co-governance before the election. 2. The main thing I see that this Bill looks like it wants to change is that third principle, that "All NZers are equal". It's hard on the surface to disagree with equality as a principle, but in answer to your third question, in effect, it seems Seymour wants to use that to remove the protections that have been written into law to try to restore the rights of Māori in things like consent with Iwi (for an excellent summary of why Iwi consultation and co-governance should be protected, read @ajk4842 's comments), and they are against having any kind of organisation designed to protect Māori well-being. National and ACT are already doing things like dismantling the Māori health authority, for example, despite being well aware of the inequalities faced by Māori (he is quite happy to go on about the statistics that make Māori look bad but ignore what kind of societal injustices led to those statistics in the first place). People are also against the underlying racism in assuming that "all New Zealanders" would actually do anything to include the views of groups other than the dominant one. Personally I'm extremely concerned about the proposal. I don't think it will go ahead (at least I hope it doesn't), but I think he'll do a lot of damage with the racism it's going to stir up (a few comments in this thread back that up). (Edited for typo)

[@johnflave]

The only thing that mattered was the land. Māori had it, settlers wanted it, the Treaty meant settlers could put in place a government that would only be voted for by those with land, land owned freehold in the European way. Māori weren’t allowed to vote, because they had the most land. It took years for maori to get a vote, and even then it wasn’t an equal vote, because they had numbers.. It had to be a special vote, a Māori vote, on a separate roll. Māori have been dispossessed of their land, a right to have a say in the running of the country. Now you want to change the rules again, because they have become a force.. Shame on you Act. You cannot deny Māori the right to Māori land and the laws enacted to give them food, health and education as promised under the land deal made. We aren’t equal, and cannot ever be, until the 170 years of power and wealth stripping has stopped.

[@illogicalslayer9856]

Agreed in full. This is just like when Italian and Nazi fascists stripped rights from their citizens because they thought they should no longer be citizens. Maori being a national group with rights recognised by the Crown as well as their own confederacy of Nations are just an easy scapegoat like fascists always use.

[@user-mc6js8or3r]

To the bone " deep "

[@dgm2593]

Kiaora te korero!

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

Maori didn't own NZ. They inhabited small pockets of it, dependimg on the tribe. And Maori males had the vote ahead of non landowning European males.

[@user-wy1hg8zm7k]

@@JamesClark-cg1qk and now because of the 2017sir Edmond Hillary global impact visa scam more small pockets of land has inhabitants behind everyone's back .. like it never happened but still is happening cause no one's noticed it pushed through so fast at the begining of the 2017 realm .. . If your a good dancer why come to nz bring your family become a kiwi .. migrants population makes Maori population look obsolete .. looking at current history not digging up old .. Maori 16.5% other 13.7 % what is other in the census homeless 😉

[@generalu.gooshe]

Nz Encyclopedia 3 volumes I believe, 1960. 1960 my friend, are you paying attention? :) Best read I had since Henry Miller.

[@Fan-qk6yy]

The Treaty protect indigenous from some1 like Seymour

[@JohnWick-gk2bc]

‼️SEYMOUR IS RIGHT!! EQUALITY FOR ALL KIWIS NOT JUST FOR SOME!!👍‼️

[@Wah_wahh]

Ok so using what Seymour is saying i want to see the coalition agreement and I want to make changes to it by kicking act out. Does that mean I can?

[@petertrott5107]

No, but You can be the village idiot 😂

[@chrisallum9044]

Sure, just start a party, win a portion of the election and form a government. Seymour isn't one person, he is the leader elected to represent people of NZ. You, are one person.

[@Wah_wahh]

@@chrisallum9044 Ok so just because 246,409 people decided to vote for that, that means that 5,006,500ish (give or take) also voted for it? That doesn't make sense.

[@Wah_wahh]

@@chrisallum9044 as for the rest of the coalition, its hardly a win when it was the lowest turn out of voters in the past 3 elections alone, which means less people voted, and they still could NOT form a majority govt. That doesn't scream that a country as a whole decided this. Only the select few of course. 🤗

[@user-wt4ie6iu6p]

​@WW-ne5lb Absolutely. It takes them three parties to become a government, and before they can even get off the ground they had to form a coalition agreement. That will have by default forced compromise in each parties camp. That does not mean in ANY way shape or form that NZ were all for three different parties to run this country. Luxon got in to power by the skin of his teeth which should be more than enough to show people that he did NOT have overwhelming numbers to get over the line on his own. It was hardly a landslide win by any measure.

[@howardngamotu5795]

He talks humanity why then hasn't his party tied the. NZ Waka to South Africa in the United court of justice

[@greyhamlogan2255]

Maori are not the indigenous race. We have a treaty with those who ate the original occupants.

[@aubreyselwyn6020]

That's another English myth made up story. Ask the Moriori, they still survive today.

[@wellygeek]

Equal mana for all. Please make it so Mr Seymour! You have my support!

[@RJH755]

3:06 You've gotta love when politicians justify constitutional changes based on anecdotes about "people who say in my work place a feel-" Ah yes Billy Bob from Nelson is trying to find an excuse for why he didn't get promoted, better get rid of the treaty principles which are already a compromise for Maori...

[@MDL.720]

So 'diversity hiring' and 'affirmative action' are just made up terms?

[@user-yo5fc7qt3g]

God honors covenants

[@gwynjohn7780]

But instead of doing 'education, housing etc' he's spending money on this bill and on stopping people using te reo

[@moronicdooshbaggery756]

No one's stopping te reo. It's a choice and every nzer can learn it freely like any language

[@StGammon77]

The language is borrowed we don't fkn need it!

[@StGammon77]

Rubbish

[@wuattwhanau5794]

Sadly this govt is backed by private investors - they will be erroding pakeha rights as we as Māori have pre - existing rights.

[@vegaskiwi4255]

It is time for the people to decide - A referendum on this should occur - All people in NZ will benefit from a better definition, one that is decided by the people.

[@vanessagardner1382]

When we are talking about the same rights and duties, all I hear is that western philosophies and systems should remain dominant and be universal. Special status is recognition that as the founders of Aotearoa we decide how to shift our country forward ideologically, together. Through working in collaboration with Māori as tangata whenua we can enrich our society and shift towards equity. Redefining the treaty principles as he has stated seems like code for a 'business as usual' approach which ultimately delievers poorer outcomes for disadvantaged communities, our climate, our economy and human rights. The societal benefits of programmes that increase equity for Māori continue to benefit us all. Just one example is the revitalisation of te reo Māori and the mana and cultural knowledge that it stores, connecting people to their whakapapa and broadening our views on ourselves, philosophy and our relationship with others and the world. There are two world views that were connected through Te tiriti and we are only now, shifting towards integrating both of them in our culture. Kia kaha and lets keep moving forward towards that kaupapa 💜

[@StGammon77]

Maori learnt everything from Pakeha its our Nation of British rule of Westminster everyone loves the Country we built and the peaceful society never mind the rambling racist Maori

[@StGammon77]

I am Tangata whenua on my land thankyou it just means the person's on that land. You aren't tangsta whenua of anyone else's property at all youre definition is erroneous because you just don't know the meaning. This is why NZ voted your type out!

[@ajk4842]

​@@StGammon77tourists come to see Maori and the culture we have. They come to see the nature Māori fight to protect. They don't come to see your 3rd class version of a western society. They have better cities to see.

[@rockyjones2563]

@@ajk4842what do you do to protect “the nature?” Maori are responsible for the extinction of a number of native species

[@concernedNZer]

You cannot "unite" two cultures. The definition of culture is "the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society". By that definition two cultures can mix together but never "intertwine" as there will always be clashes. You can only live happily and peacefully side by side. Water and oil don't mix and neither do cultures. That is why part-Maori have such a difficult time with their identity - essentially at some point they come to an identity crisis - am I Maori or pakeha (scottish/english/irish etc)? Which one do I follow? Usually it is the one they had the most contact with or impact from growing up, the parent they identified most with or where they feel most welcome and comfortable. Essentially where they fit. The trouble comes when someone doesn't feel like they fit in either I guess. Can a pakeha appreciate Maori culture? YES! Does that mean they want to participate? Not necessarily. As a pakeha I really enjoy watching kapa haka, poi and waiata performances. I appreciate Te Reo Maori and think if someone wants to learn it they should. I love a hangi. Does that mean I want to DO kapa haka, SING waiata, SPEAK te reo Maori and COOK a hangi. NO. I totally love the concepts of whanau, looking after and respecting elders and caring for extended family, aroha, mana and sustainably conserving the natural world around us. These are aspects of Maori culture that I agree with and like. But there are other aspects I don't agree with or like. So to say that cultures can intertwine is a nice idea but not reality. For government, there can only be one system. For NZ that system is a Western democracy. Under that there may be other things like culture, religion, groups of various kinds and political views. But the "system" must remain. There are many other governmental systems in the world - dictatorship, communism etc. But none are as free as democracy.

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

Just bring on the referendum as its time to put this to bed once & for all so our kids don't have to deal with this total bullshit.

[@vjbond3945]

There's more Chinese in NZ than Maori lol

[@denim8625]

Chinese make up 5.3% of the population, this is not true.

[@TrakaBat]

The treaty is a treaty it's not a surrender document.

[@StGammon77]

Yes it was sorry look around you

[@TrakaBat]

@@StGammon77 def not. Changes require unanimous agreement between all signatories not a referendum by one signatory.

[@StGammon77]

The Treaty was a surrender a simple nullity

[@Aint_Got_The_Answers_Sway]

First time ive seen Jack stumped 😂

[@Jerry_Dungarees_son]

I suggest you watch @ 9:00 again. Seymour walked straight into that one, lol.

[@jaytui6878]

cant argue with That David

[@Alex.t314]

There are many flaws with his arguments. Imagine you are a land owner, and you rent your house. After a while, there are more renters, and then all the renters decide that this is not yours anymore because there's more of them than you. How is deciding something without all parties involved fair? How has ToW benefited Mōari over everyone one else in the past 200 years, because I can tell you they sure didn't.

[@DarkJonas33]

Equal rights for all? His proposed principles explicitly give more rights to land owners!

[@anthonymorgan6255]

Are you in charge of the gulags?

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

Listen again

[@jonesey81]

Not true@@JamesClark-cg1qk

[@lightweightbuddy]

Probably the most misrepresented and misunderstood politician in NZ.

[@AholeAtheist]

LOL. No.

[@dallynstevens7855]

David Seymours answer to proper compensation.... Dollar for dollar value would put NZ into debt..... . EXACTLY NZ has has debt on its hands to all the Maori that were shafted, betrayed and taken advantage of due to a lack of knowledge and not to mention had their trust violated by corrupt colonialist. Time to extend your heart and apologise properly. Compensation isn't just going through all the nuances of the law in order to give as little as possible back. Apologies are extention of love and support in order to encourage trust and bring healing over the trust that was violated. But no colonialist are too self interested, prideful and arrogant

[@StGammon77]

Stfu were voting NO! To your bullshit

[@user-xv9gf4we1b]

I agree with David,you don't want apartheid where one ethnicity is treated differently to another .If u own land so what, u own land, not higher status...

[@markreynolds6220]

unfortunately 4 jack seymore has quite a profound intellect

[@Ruru-pj3ve]

Seymour is a right wing NPC, repeating talking points developed in right wing think tanks from elsewhere.

[@wolfgangweidinger4637]

@@Ruru-pj3ve Proof please or else its an accusation or distribution of misinformation

[@craighughes2191]

We are all in this together. Equally rights for all. ❤🇳🇿

[@victoriakerry6041]

I can't get past the irony of how Seymour's line about wanting everyone to be equal matches so closely with the pig Napoleon's speeches in Animal Farm... If he actually believed that equality for all was important, he'd start redressing the inequities caused by the Crown dishonoring Te Tiriti in the first place rather than trying to say it's "impractical" to redress the wrongs of the past (effectively continuing to make the privileged, in the words of Napoleon, more equal than others.) And he totally didn't get that by saying that equality for all is a "higher" and "universal" goal that totally dismisses that any other group thinks differently to him, including the other signing partner. Continuing to harp on about how terrible it is that "some people" can veto the Crown is a crock, too - like the Crown can't reject something that Māori might want to do. Makes my blood boil...

[@ajaxpacific]

These bodies do not give voice to the majority of people

[@paulrobertson1997]

One of the things I like about David Seymour is that he makes perfect sense when her answers questions. By contrast, look at what Natalie Coates said in her interview - just a load of emotional meaningless dribble at best. She was not able to leave viewers any the wiser about anything. How can Maori expect to move forward in some positive way when they are not able to articulate any coherent sense?

[@reubenflavell1494]

perfect sense… did you see the reporter have to re address his question?

[@Jerry_Dungarees_son]

@15:35 whoops, when you let slip what you are really thinking..

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

Everyone still think this is about equality for non Maori? ...or seizure of all our lands for American empire?

[@dicessdontbenosey438]

Rest in peace David Seymour

[@LWJCarroll]

11:42. this is about what we have here in New Zealand. Treaties overseas are for those people to figure out, nothing to do with New Zealand. The politicians should leave this to the Courts as we have done for the past 40 years or so. We already have universally applying Laws here in NZ along with being part of the Maori or Crown side of the Treaty and Tirity. I am quite happy with this thanks. No need to change anything.

[@Ruru-pj3ve]

Agree what do internal German politics have to do with us?

[@Taiwan-NZ]

In last 5 years NZ has 4 billion more budget for Māori! All are taxpayers’ paid money!

[@Neff17]

Are you whinging? I swear it’s all I hear these days. First world problems I guess

[@YoCalmYaFarm]

Can you a provide link to the resources on where you got that information from?

[@arenuzzle6282]

4 billion lol what a load of rubbish. Stupid gronk

[@Ruru-pj3ve]

Provide the evidence

[@wolfgangweidinger4637]

@@Ruru-pj3ve Go to the people who got billions in settlements or got billions in separate social institutions doubling up on taxpayer money that could be spend in these mundane things like hospitals where we now have affirmative action by race. A heart attack is surely different depending what color skin one has 🙄🙄

[@xorqwerty8276]

Get rid of the treaty it’s a lemon

[@insernamehereflynn]

Bit rough of David to say that’s your view. As if what he’s saying is not his own view 😅 some holy interpretation of human rights. It’s clearly just his interpretation, easy to dress up as universal human rights. When I’m reality it is removing protections from special protected groups that in lots of ways have become foreigners in their own land. Some good points and principles do not make you correct ☺️