Justin Verlander explains "everything" causing baseball pitcher injuries

[@brodiebrazil]

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[@Spinach_D]

He hit all the points. I'd go further that MLB is making a deliberate effort to inflate offensive production: juiced ball, basically inlaid seams, bigger bases, pitching clock, smaller ball parks.

[@rskrilly]

It's a tough compromise. The only way to draw more casual fans to get into the game is to change the rules to get more runs scored & make it more exciting. Low scoring games is boring baseball for most people.

[@carlwilliams9642]

Verlander's incites are particularly valuable because he been around long enough to see the pitching culture/philosophy shift right in front of his eyes well within the span of his career.

[@JohnFeichtl]

I'm not a Verlander fan, but he has great insight ,information of the mound work. I have yelled for years that every pitch can not be thrown near a hundred miles per. The human arm can only survive so far at today's called for spin and volcity. Far too many Tommy John type injuries etcetera.

[@HeavyC78]

I remember getting coached when I was around 11 and was told not to start throwing a curve ball till maybe 13 or even later. I can't imagine how many young kids are testing out sweepers now.

[@goobthe3rd]

When I coached little league (the kids were 10-11) we had a rule that the pitchers were PROHIBITED from throwing a CB since their hand muscles and bones were not yet fully formed, and that forcing them to throw a CB can damage the hand permanently.

[@jeffrey.a.hanson]

Except that’s a long debunked myth. Fast Fastballs and high pitch counts blew out arms. In fact it has an inverse effect. If I prohibit curveballs at 11, I’m not actively teaching a player how to properly throw a curveball or hit one for when they’re 13. Thus, leading to arm problems during puberty, getting lit up at the next level, striking out and potentially quitting baseball.

[@joeg5414]

@@goobthe3rd yeah when i played little league in the early 90s, it wasn't allowed

[@brianbarr7360]

@@jeffrey.a.hanson First, I’m thankful these conversations are happening so hopefully in the near future young kids arms will be saved. I agree with overuse causing arm problems and I do see what you’re saying Jeffrey but my stance on this (thanks for asking 😂) is, as coaches we need to show them how to throw a proper CB. Because we all know what they are doing in the backyard when we’re not there? Trying to throw bangers! Now once we show them, we then stress the importance of not throwing it wrong and the negative impact it has on our arms when we do throw it wrong. But they want to strike kids out right? Of course, so at a young age teach them how to PITCH with two pitches, FB and CH. Teach them how to read a hitters swing, where they are standing in the box, what their stance is maybe telling me, etc. if a 10, 11 or 12 year old can command his FB and has a good change up he will win games. By the time they are 13 you have a kid that can win games with two pitches all while starting to develop a CB. Now kids need to learn how to hit a CB, I get it. Hack Attacks can throw them so set one of those up for them and let them hit benders all practice. Lastly, if a kid quits a game that was built on failure, then they aren't mentally ready for the game anyway. Honestly, shame on their coaches for not getting them mentally prepared for that next level. Just wanted to throw my .2 cents in it!

[@Michael-y2p2v]

Justin Verlander is so right.

[@foxyfoxington2651]

It blows my mind that when I was a kid in the 80s I could go see a game and it was not at all unusual to see a pitcher go for 8 or 9 innings with no pitch counts and now pitchers can't even clear 5. Perhaps they need to talk to the old timers more, because clearly something important has been forgotten. Now, all that being said, MLB can't even manage to get their uniforms right... They don't have control of anything right now.

[@chriszenko3598]

A starter goes 6 innings they used to pitch 9 innings with no pitch counts. Some pitches are more susceptible to arm injuries than others

[@SuperReviews4you]

Sure but that was when the average MLB hitter was less skilled. It's much harder to throw a 88 MPH fastball today and get outs than it was in the 1980s.

[@supramentalmanifestation]

Great vid, Brodie. Thank you.

[@OliverSolorzano]

Did anyone here initially think, that the video was an actual Brodie with Justin Verlander interview??

[@brodiebrazil]

It’s not really far fetched. 🤣

[@jeffrey.a.hanson]

@@brodiebrazilHey, maybe we trade him at the deadline to the Sacra…Oakland A’s. He’d have to pull a Deshaun Watson or denounce the Rodeo, but you never know. 🤷‍♂️🤠

[@pmf2994]

Mike Marshall was a Dodger pitcher who’s became a kinesiologist, and he became an expert with dealing with the safe way of pitching; with proper technique.

[@mikepuncsak7297]

At Last Brodie...a voice of reason about this pitchers injuries deal ! Justin Verlander has been around a long time...doesn't anyone wonder what hes doing ?? I remember Verlander pitching for the Tigers as they faced the Oakland A's. I remember seeing him and Jose Altuve in the South Pass Tunnel on their way to the team bus after the Oakland A's swept those Astros . I'm glad Justin mentioned that $#@! pitch clock . Gotta remember most of these pitchers are in their 20s and their bodies are still maturing....I'll get off my soapbox... Be safe Brodie

[@robertcampbell8070]

I think if you look at how JV pitched for a good portion of his career, you can see why he's managed to remain relatively injury free (obviously he did have surgery as well) vs the young guys today. Watch his games from his first Cy Young season in 2011. He be sitting at 90-92 mph for the first couple innings. Then ramp it up to 93-95 for the next couple. Then 96-98. He'd give his arm time to warm up before really ramping up. Justin Verlander has BY FAR the most pitches thrown over 100 mph in the 8th inning or later be a starter. Like it's not even close.

[@wholewheaties]

The start and stop thing that KZbinrs do is really annoying. Just comment after and we'll still be here!

[@m.o.5291]

He's my go to example, used to start the game at 92-93 and kept the nasty stuff in his backpocket for jams. Then the 3rd time through the order he's at 100 consistently its like he's a different guy. Highly effective and a lot healthier

[@HomerunBaker21]

What is the future going to look like if all pitchers have some sort of an injury, just to be competitive? Are we going to start using pitching machines on the mound that throw curve balls, sliders, and change ups? I kid, but seriously, inning-eating pitchers are a dying breed.

[@jeffrey.a.hanson]

The Reality- There’s no longer a downside to having elbow surgery. It’s routine. You don’t lose your job. You don’t retire. You rehab and throw 100.

[@johnny234511]

Thanks Brodie. From Montréal. Miss the Expos!

[@goobthe3rd]

This was 20 years ago…philosophies changed since then

[@SuperReviews4you]

If its a combination of everything then shouldn't the MLB stop the pitch clock immediately until we know how much that is effecting it?

[@danmarsh5949]

Is there a way to make the bat about 10% "deader"? I think pitching-to-contact makes for more exciting baseball, but JV is right, when anybody can leave the yard, a pitcher can't risk it.

[@goobthe3rd]

I know The Atlantic League took away the DH if the starter didn’t go at LEAST 5 innings. And we all know the ALPB is an experimental partner of MLB. So who knows if that’ll be yet another change that gets applied to the MLB in the next decade or so….

[@Chudley716]

This dude is really smart.

[@JZekis]

One of the gripes I have about analytics is I feel sometimes they find something in the data and use it as a limiting factor. So when they look at the data and say "Third time though the order pitchers lose effectiveness" That's a useful observation but couldn't they also use pitch data and sequencing data to figure out how to maintain effectiveness later?

[@baseballworldwide9439]

Plus they don’t take into account the game playing out in front of them. A guy who usually struggles 3rd time through can be completely on for a game (unlike the previous ones) and they’ll still take him out instead of letting him ride. Instead of going 8 innings and saving your bullpen, they take him out and burn up arms

[@daddyg1973]

Pitchers are told to throw as hard as possible with as much spin as possible. I have a possible 2-step solution: raise the mound height by 2 inches, and move the mound one foot closer to home. If MLB did that, pitchers would not have to throw 97 mph+. They could throw 90 while not taxing their arms and have the same effectiveness versus hitters they have now. Pitchers would no longer feel the pressure to throw that hard and blow out their arms. I think it would reduce injuries by a ton.

[@troynickerson7757]

Gotta new Sub Sir. Quality video you have here, keep up the good work.

[@joelneedham7589]

Mike Marshall back in 1975 figured out all the pitching arm injuries. His videos are on you tube.

[@martinarden9705]

The starter not going 5 is a good idea, but there would have to be an injury clause in there. That way, if a guy blows out an elbow and can't get out of the third inning, the team doesn't get punished. I love what Verlander is saying overall and it's pretty obvious why 1) he's one of the best pitchers of this generation and 2) why he has no-hit my beloved Blue Jays twice.

[@tonyc8752]

What an awful idea. SP not going deep into games has destroyed the sport

[@martinarden9705]

@@tonyc8752 : I meant taking out the DH if the starter doesn't go 5. Verlander's idea.

[@cgk1276]

It’s going to take several changes. The problem with the double hook is that it penalizes the team that’s already disadvantaged and would probably push teams to overwork their guys into more injuries; it needs another change to come before they can implement it. Verlander is right that the home run threat/TTO has killed the pitch to contact style and I think they should start building larger stadiums/pushing the walls back to disincentivize everyone swinging for the fences. Less HR friendly environments would incentivize using more pitchers who aren’t throwing 100mph, no contact stuff that kills their arms. If every park was like Oracle or old Citi Field the strategy league wide would completely shift to more small ball because there’s more field to cover for defenders (this happens in Coors) and you’d get more defensive action instead of watching the pitcher and catcher 95% of the time (which casuals really don’t care for). Also I just want more interesting dimensions lol.

[@baseball-xt3uj]

I cant believe that mlb and players dont understand how to avoid injuries and why theyre on the rise. Is for one thing and very simple. They do not train for withstanding more throws they only train for increasing velocity. Tell me which pitcher in the offseason goes all the way to 100-150 pitch bullpens? Nobody absolutely nobody. The only way to be prepared to throw 100 throws in the game is that in the offseason you slowly progress all the way to 100-150 throws. You might call me crazy to encourage offseason bullpens of 100-150 throws but its even crazier to think that 30 pitch bullpens will prepare you to throw 100 in the game. That is foolish nonsense. The arm doesnt know how many throws is doing it only knows stress. If youve only throwing 30 pitch bullpens and then increase it all of the sudden to 100 youre increasing more than double of what your body can handle. Now if you slowly progress in the offseason to 150 throws your body and arm are going to get use to that stress. But pitchers from today dont give their body the opportunity to get use to the stress. They think that fancy exercises or better mechanics will do it. Or they think that there is something else that will do the magic. It doesnt exist. The only thing you can do to prepare your body to throw 100 pitches in the game and remain healthy is that you slowly progress to those numbers of throws in the offseason. Period nothing else will do the job but that. Sometimes you only need logic and common sense to solve a problem. Its ironic that sometimes common sense is the least sense the human uses.

[@SevenCostanza]

Dumbest comment ever .

[@m.o.5291]

Strange he forgot that he had the best mlb fastball for years and still started games at 92-93 and ramped up later. Thats why he got so deep into games easily and had a long career. That 3rd time through the order he talks about, it's when he'd go into 100+ monstermode. And early in games when he got in trouble he always had the velo and turboslider in his backpocket; thats nasty

[@striderhanzo]

Chapman can throw 104. He hasn't had many arm injuries but he is also jacked. Alot of these dudes who are trying to dial up 100+, how much lifting are they doing? Nolan Ryan lifted and he threw until age 46. Pitched from 1966 to 1993, with 1967 being the exception to service. Pitchers need to train like other players on the team, its not just bullpens and stretching.

[@Ianmccor]

I think too much focus was put on pitch count for avoiding injuries, particularly with young pitchers. Now everybody has come up without being able to build up endurance and generally has made the game less watchable in addition to more dangerous. Just too many strikeouts and walks.

[@someguy7222]

Universal DH - re-think it

[@emmanuelwood8702]

Justin said the was juiced by Manfred MLB not Hitters got better. They were hitting home runs they didn't legitimately hit well. He was there was an unfair advantage given to inflate offense.

[@chicagodude8888]

If you’re one of these modern day science experiments throwing 100 mph sinkers with a 95 mph slider and 90 mph knuckle curve with 8 inches of break TJ surgery is is a certainty. . If you throw mid 90’s heat with a traditional 8-4 upper 80’s slider and change up your arm is under less stress, allowing you to go deeper into games.

[@GlennJackson-d8e]

Maybe they will have to replace pitchers with pitching machines if this continues. Then, maybe batting machines.

[@AV57]

MLB is overdue for a deadball era. Swing for a single; pitch for a groundball. I'm so sick of the 3-true outcomes.

[@baseballworldwide9439]

JV= 🐐 of the previous generation

[@shaindaman13]

Stopping the video to comment on comments is utter HELL for anyone with the least amount of ADHD. I can’t watch it. Take notes and comment when its over. Drives me batty.

[@Time.Travel]

Pitchers in the 1900's > Pitchers in the 2000's

[@youngandfree93]

Definitely not.

[@jbarryclkrec]

How many of these pitchers essentially have only pitched since the day picked up a ball. There was a time when baseball was just a spring and sometime during the summer sport. Athletes played multiple sports. Their body was developed to handle a wide variety of movements. By the time they became pitcher focused the mileage and wear on tear on the the throwing arm was far less than it is now. Maybe sometimes less baseball is aa good thing?

[@RANDOMNESS873]

If you didn’t want the pitch clock pitchers shouldn’t have spent 2 minutes grabbing junk before every pitch

[@HT-sm9dm]

It’s not just the pitchers it’s the hitters too. Don’t you remember Derek Jeter and Nomar Garciaparra?

[@jimc.goodfellas]

Old Hoss Radbourn scoffs at all these sore armed guys....back in his day you weren't really a pitcher if you didn't have a constantly sore arm that you could barely lift from one day to the next

[@rowdyghost4713]

MLB ruined this whole thing. They start in the early 2010s by making the ball a damn trampoline. So now what used to be a sinker on the black for a lazy fly out is now a jam shot homer that sneaks over the wall. So now you can’t even try and pitch to contact. So with that, teams are incentivized to grab arms that produce just swing and miss. No incentive to hit your spot when the ball is a trampoline, meaning pitchers coming through the minors have no mound iq or ability to command a baseball. Bring PITCHING back. Tired of seeing some guy who can’t hit the broad side of a barn make it because they throw hard. It’s really not entertaining to watch a guy throw 19 balls outside the zone an inning at 100.

[@jesusm2159]

Saludos, only pitching 5 inngs

[@darrenlesueur4785]

maybe its diet. are you eating an acidic diet that doesn't allow you to reduce inflation and allow the body to heal . i would like to see basebll play a 5 game series a week with monday and Tuesday off make each game more import and each series a big deal .

[@danieljohnfarrell5549]

Justin’s brother sad blue lobster!

[@VoidDWG]

Can't help but think this might be some way of the MLB trying to "force" in higher scoring games? Am I just dumb?

[@emmanuelwood8702]

Kids who are not professionals have no idea what the hell they're doing when they're trying to throw breaking pitches etc. But there are also a lot of snake oil instructors who have no idea what the hell they're doing teaching stuff that gets these kids hurt before they even have a chance to get a contract to play professionally.

[@VoidDWG]

Also, what in the blue cheese is verlander doing in AAA?

[@tuckfield656]

They call it a rehab stint. Allows the guys to get back from injury in a game that doesn’t really matter but still face live batters and go through the motions

[@Erlov71]

Sometimes theyll even go down to single A for rehab.

[@VoidDWG]

Interesting.

[@sunny1992s]

Rehab. Verlander is recovering from an injury. It is very common for pros to go to the minors to see how they are recovering from an injury. I remember seeing ARod in the single-A Charleston Riverdogs when he was recovering from an injury around 2014.

[@Erlov71]

Add 5 seconds to the pitch clock

[@Pelicanzzz]

Forbid throwing over 90 mph.