Beretta APX vs M&P 2.0

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[@mariasosa7906]

I own them both. Beretta APX my choice. Thanks for the video.

[@kevinmcqueen9068]

This might tip the scales for some of the fence sitters - Beretta just dropped the price on the APX to $329 as of November 2019! That is a lot of gun for the money indeed!!

[@pudgespracticalposts342]

Kevin McQueen yep...I scooped up one for rajah reason alone!

[@Jeff-xn1ew]

Chris Elliott I scooped on 2 of them black and fde. Impact guns lifetime warranty 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻.

[@Gumby56]

Beretta for me, thanks for a great vid.

[@FrumpyPumpkin]

Have to say, I think you've got an under appreciated channel here. Pretty obvious you're a very experienced shooter and you have an objective viewpoint. Hard to beat combination.

[@ripcordjr5696]

The APX is a excellent handgun. You can tell Beretta put a ton of time and effort into the design of the APX. The molded frame is built very strong and will easily last a life time compared to the cheap frames on the Sig P320. In my opinion my APX is superior to my Glock 19 and easily on level w/ my HK VP9.

[@tylert.zahnow5427]

Ripcord Jr vp9, ppq, app, m2.0, czp10.... what do I pick. I’m leaning towards ppq and vp because I’m a paddle release dan

[@astronomy7911]

I love the way the APX looks, it will be my next pistol. As of right now, I'm looking for a shotgun...so much stuff, too little money :(

[@JacksonWalter735]

With Beretta's special pricing, you can get guns from the APX lineup for around $300-350 max unless you're planning on getting the tactical version. I personally have a cheap but reliable Mossberg Maverick as my home defense shotgun and I absolutely love it. Got it for around $120 new a few years ago and it has never failed on me whenever I took it to the range. You can probably find better deals on it today or for substantially cheaper on the used market. I've seen plenty at pawn shops. Total for the APX and a Mossberg Maverick would probably be cheaper than buying an M&P 2.0 without any special rebate deals.

[@HorsepowerDr]

@@JacksonWalter735 i just seen an APX optic ready version for $495 .. definitely a good price for an optic ready pistol AND it came with the 4 plates like a Glock mos does

[@JacksonWalter735]

@@HorsepowerDr Thanks for letting me know. I don't own any pistol with an optic mount so I was around for the best deals. I was leaning towards getting an IWI Masada because it's optic ready and has a serialized trigger module (in case a compact size grip frame ever comes out) for $400. I remember the version of the APX that's optic ready and came with a threaded barrel was closer to $600 when Beretta first announced their special pricing so I didn't even bother checking agaib. At around $500, I'd rather stick with Beretta for $100 more. Again I appreciate the info.

[@reblsoul7854]

That Beretta smoked that m&p like homegrown

[@kmorris180]

I've had both. I couldn't get a feel for the M&P in my huge mitts. The APX took only a few hours to become super comfortable in my hands. Although in a situation, I would take either. For me, the APX Centurion is the one I'm keeping. Thanks for the video and for pointing out the differences between the two.

[@gunsquawk4443]

Awesome video. I'm buying the Beretta tomorrow!

[@redgoat3khk45t5]

Beretta APX all day.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

It's a shooter!

[@JacksonWalter735]

Just got this video recommended to me again and I always have to click on it. This is one of my favorite head to head and I absolutely love both firearms.

[@nolandenton1224]

Amazing - man shoots better groups, acknowledges lighter & crisper trigger, and yet still manages to favor the lower performing gun.

[@reblsoul7854]

That's what you call a fanboy

[@metalmoto3275]

#appleusers

[@theoriginalOSOK]

Here it is 7 years later... and I just picked up a Beretta APX from my local fun shop. I had it shipped from AIM Surplus = it's a NIB with all the goodies, unissued Brazilian LE surplus pistol. $299+++ - I haven't had it to the range yet but I like it already - really feels good in my hand. Sights are nice and big for my old man eyes. I've seen that these tend to need an "on" hold which is fine as that's how i like them. Thanks for the review!

[@RenzinatorStrength1961]

I own both, the APX is Superior

[@Efren44b]

I'll take the APX....

[@robs4193]

I think your comments regarding grip texture are subjective. I find the APX to be perfectly textured for me. Nice positive grip, without tearing up skin, and stays put for me when I shoot it. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Talon Grip fan as well (have them on a G43 and an XDS-40), but I just don't find it necessary on the APX. Overall though, a well done video. Thanks for taking the time to make it!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Absolutely - most of my observations about ergonomics are subjective. No argument here.

[@beretta92x93]

Another great video and review. I would like to say your professional opinion is a big factor in the majority of my firearm purchases today. your m&p 2.0 review has led me to the purchase of a m&p 40 2.0, m&p 9mm 2.0 and a m&p 9mm 2.0 with the 5 inch barrel. now I am going to give the apx a try. I did not purchase the vp9sk due to the fact I have a p30sk le edition with the v1 trigger. thank you for such great content and your contribution to the 2nd amendment community is greatly appreciated.

[@brendoncrite4444]

I've a APX and I shoot very well with it..never had any problems

[@andrearamallo1]

I think that the time has changed. Glock's reign ended. Today there are many good striker fired pistols in the market, all have the same level of quality. It is not correct to say that one is better than the other. He became a subjective theme.

[@alfonsorodriguez6437]

I just bought an APX in 40S&W and is a great shooter and I like the trigger, I also have a BER 92 but had to change the mainspring for better DA trigger.

[@fumasterchu12]

I think they both look great and I've heard pretty much nothing but good things. I'd be happy to own either one. Thanks for another great video!

[@cmonsterz]

Great comparative, Justin! I have both and REALLY enjoy both of them. I actually can't say that one is better than the other overall, but the APX definitely has the better trigger. I also think that the APX looks...more..."macho". I do love the looks of the M&P, but if looks could chase a bad guy off, I think that APX has that.

[@JacksonWalter735]

Someone said the APX design looks like it was inspired by Jurassic Park or a dinosaur. I can't unsee it now.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I was debating between these 2 guns for a long time in the gun shop. I went with the m&p 2.0 because it had a 5" barrel. The trigger failed to reset when firing fast. I had to ship back to Smith and Wesson. Gun has done fine since. I had a beretta px4 but sold it like an idiot. Just ordered the APX. I love the grip

[@paulcallaway71]

Just curious because I'm looking at the PX4...why did you decide to buy the PX4? And why then did you decide to eventually sell it? Thanks!

[@revolverDOOMGUY]

Honestly neither of them is better than the other one in any field or have dealbrakers so they are on par, for me the deciding factor was my nation, Italy, and the fact that i can more easily get parts and assistence here on beretta products, while if i lived in america i would have bought the M&P

[@midwest1228]

as always .. solid comparison. In a perfect world I'd just buy both. I really don't see how either would be a bad choice. Both are solid pistols from two of the most trusted names in firearms. I've handled both, the Beretta felt better imo. However, that texturing on the m&p is second to none. On a hot day with sweaty hands it wouldn't be close. I have a older .40 m&p and I always liked that "beaver" tail and how it felt in hand. The Beretta, while not as obvious, almost gives me that same feel. Anyway.. appreciate the comparison.

[@hhighway72]

As always, an outstanding presentation of useful information. Thank you for your work!

[@1973Gerhard]

Well presented and pure unbiased observations made. Thanks so much for making this, very informative indeed.

[@grantorino2009]

This head to head clearly reveals that the Beretta APX is more handgun for the money. More accurate and better trigger. Seals the deal for me.

[@SoundExtreme1]

That's not really a proven statement. My m2.0 is the most accurate 9mm I've ever fired except for my Sig Legion P226. Accuracy between polymer based striker-fire guns is very comparable. I also had a Gen 4 Glock 19 that was about the same accuracy as my m2.0. I do like the Berretta and have owned the Centurion version (more compact) but I did not feel like it was as accurate as the M&P. BTW the M&P trigger is fine. The APX trigger is different but I would not say better at all. As he pointed out the weight feels the same. The m2.0 grip texture is incredible. The noticeable detractor for the APX is the thickness. It is noticeably thicker and not as easy/comfortable to conceal.

[@richardoliver1468]

Justin Opinion....... Thanks for this video. I believe that the Beretta is the "sweeter" of the two. Maybe I am a little more prejudice as both sets of my Grandparents came from Italy. :) :). The "grip" zone of the Beretta is better. I definitely am in LOVE with the modularity of the Beretta.

[@CaveWyatt]

Thank you and, please, keep including the "trigger reach" measurement. This is important for me with my miniature hands. I have an M&P 2.0 because I traded off my FNS9 to get it, primarily due to an inability to comfortably reach the FNS9 trigger (also due to the thickness of the grip?). Anyway, great job!

[@traeucity6087]

Jake Lonergan, if you are looking for a really good gun, that is comfortable for those with smaller hands; check out the CZ P10C, if you get a chance. I wanted to dislike that gun, because of all the industry hype; but it's truly a good gun.

[@96stealth]

That’s pretty interesting that you shot the Beretta off hand better despite preferring the ergos of the M&P. To me that means the ergos actually are better for you shooting wise. I guess that’s why you need to actually shoot guns to know what works best for you and not just go off what “feels” better. Plus maybe different types of ammo would give different results for accuracy on the bench. I would bet money that the APX is just as accurate with a different load. It’s really splitting hairs. Good video as always.

[@EonievesTboneCovers]

I don’t have an M&P 2.0 but I do have a APX Beretta. I love the Beretta even more than any Glock. It’s similar to Sig M17&M18. Trigger and guns are very comfortable and excellent shooters.

[@Anthony-kn8cn]

Have both and both are nice and reliable. I would recommend the 2.0 compact optic ready. The Apx you have l would also keep.

[@bonespiel]

I enjoy your videos. Thanks for all the information you share. I want to learn more about shooting so I crave KZbin videos!

[@victorcaputo6393]

I own both the Beretta APX and the Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0. Both are great pistols, and both are very dependable as well as reliable. And to most gun enthusiasts, both are quite aesthetically pleasing and have excellent ergonomics. The tiebreaker for me was on the range - I found the Beretta to be much more accurate! The Beretta is definitely underrated, it isn't as popular as the Glock-19, but it's just as accurate and has much better ergonomics. The only other gun which can compare to the Beretta's ergonomics is the HK P30sk.

[@cpiper6338]

I'd rather have the APX with the better out-of-the-box trigger and better standing groups than the M&P 2.0 with a poor trigger that needs a bench rest to group well. And I do. But mine is the Centurion model. 🙂

[@JJ.ermenegildofregna]

Well done, this shows that the Beretta doesn't shoot low!

[@traeucity6087]

Joe theLion, his 1st Hundred video shows that the Beretta does shoot low. He just learned how to adapt to it, through more practice time with it. Hickok45 also said it shot low.

[@JJ.ermenegildofregna]

It may be. I learned too in that case.

[@ronkilpatrick5106]

Great video...I want the APX... been a big fan of both Smith and Wesson and the Beretta... I also like the Walther Creed...and chance of doing a APX vs Creed?

[@MajorLeagueShooter1776]

I really like the APX but I think the M&P 2.0 is that much better. Great vid brother

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thanks... I try to make it meaningful.

[@Jeffrey.1961]

I’ve owned both but I now have two M&Ps and zero APX.

[@Jason-c1b3r]

I wish I was more decisive about this. I like the trigger, sights, and serrations of the APX but, I also like the texture and trigger improvements of the M&P9 2.0. Maybe I will be able to get both soon.

[@CWB1863]

S&W should just team up with Apex.Everyone i know has replaces the stock trigger.I was on the fence for a while, but i ended up putting the Apex in both my 9c's. So happy i did.

[@dhsurg3048]

If M&P's came with stock apex trigger and forward reset installed stock, then M&P's would be #1 polymer gun. The hinged crappy trigger continue to pull them down

[@CWB1863]

I agree completely! Smith knows that's the number one complain from their customers and still haven't corrected the issue.They're almost as stubborn as Glock.Haha!

[@mikefreedom8881]

CWB1863 Kinda like Apple teaming up with Intel a decade and a half ago.

[@traeucity6087]

That M&P sure is a handsome gun!

[@reblsoul7854]

That APX smoked it like homegrown when it come to putting rounds on target tho

[@CoasterCoat]

@@reblsoul7854 Only because it has a better trigger. M&P is better at everything else and you can buy a new Polymer Apex flatty for $100 which will make it 10x better than that apx. Plus the Apx is the ugliest pistol ever made. The grip is also a huge fail. No wonder nobody buys it

[@scottzappa9314]

Good review but I gotta throw out the "APX needs a Talon grip" nonsense. Other reviewer doing a 3 gun comparo between the APX, Sig P320 and Glock 19X said the grip texture on the APX was by FAR the most aggressive and it's pretty much unanimous for all other reviewers that the ergonomics are superior on the APX, including the grip. The gun pours into your hand, and feels very good in it, and it stays there.

[@irineojason]

Informative comparative review! Thank you!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jordanjoestar8839]

APX is the best polymer pistol I've ever shot. Period.

[@28_babyshark]

You was shooting the Beretta way better then the Smith. Looks like the Beretta grip is working better for you.

[@randyn2396]

I have the APX Centurion and the M&P 2.0 compact. I like the APX a little bit more. Both great guns though.

[@Cross_Hat]

your reviews are so detailed and great. Love how you present the firearms. Thanks man. Love the content, keep em coming

[@fatboyike7347]

Excellent video as I'm trying to decide between these exact two guns. Thank you for providing great details and comparisons on all the features and how it feels when you're shooting. Definitely subscribed and visiting Patriot Patch :)

[@berettaxd7566]

Smith is so ugly and weird looking with all the random holes, lines going every other way. Does not look aesthetic. Definitely like to get an APX.

[@bdm1000]

I no longer own any M&P's other than my Bodyguard, but unlike most people, I like the M&P trigger a lot. The only problem I had with it was how short the trigger reach is. In other words, my former M&P9's trigger pull resulted in zero sight picture disruption virtually every time. In fact, I don't think I ever experienced it. However, because the trigger reach was so short, I felt it wasn't as good for rapid fire (for me and my hands, because my finger had to come back too far). As far as just squeezing off shots, it's great. The APX looks like it won't have that problem, but does the trigger pull as accurately? It's like with Glock, there's a lot going on when you pull the trigger, so you have to work a little harder to eliminate the sight picture disrupt in my opinion. That said, I carry a Glock 26.

[@midniteoyl8913]

That APX was throwing the brass straight back at times... Whats up with that?

[@alexo1226]

Thx great video .

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@joeyyeazel4729]

Ha! My first 2 handguns I've ever bought, and only ones i own! Coincidence?! Both are great. Beretta is a bit smoother. But the M&P is my carry, it's much easier amd smoother to unholster and draw. The aggressive slide and texture on the beretta is it's grace and it's literally only downfall for CC.

[@pudgespracticalposts342]

My APX trigger pinches me, but I do like it. I wouldn’t get rid of it, but I do better with my Glock 19X. Good video!

[@mpett2]

Im looking into getting one more wonder 9 to add to my collection and i think its in between the berrata and the smith m&p.

[@Jeffrey.1961]

S&W for me, enjoyed the video.

[@jeffreywoodall2629]

Justin what is the best out of the box polymer striker handgun in your opinion?

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Both of these pistols are excellent, as are a number of other guns. But to answer your question with the first gun that came to mind, and one that I have many thousands of rounds through.... the Walther PPQ takes top honors.

[@jeffreywoodall2629]

Got the ppq m1 during the rebate but sold it. I Think I wanna repurchase and get the m2. Im used to the button release. Best trigger for sure. Appreciate you taking the time to give me your opinion. I enjoy the reviews. Stay safe.

[@gfinnstrom]

wow when the two head skulls pop up thought it was my ex wife lol

[@chillios2222]

ordered the APX , costs less. Beretta warranty extends to 3 years, Smith is lifetime, I think it will work fine, never had any issues with their stuff , only been 20 years or so...

[@SoundExtreme1]

I've noticed a few people commenting that the front serrations are not usable. I disagree. I was trained (at Front Sight) to do press checks from underneath. That's why these serrations are located where they are.

[@Philly1958]

A significant difference is the break down for cleaning. Like other Beretta striker fired pistols they seem to like complexity. For me none of the new striker guns will supplant my VP9

[@dearbulls]

can you compare apx to tp9sf or cz p10c or fn509？

[@mulekicker-ut5jl]

I'm waiting to see if the new Canik tp9da is any better than the v2. Never owned either one but I think the apx would be my choice from what I see.

[@kyplummer3657]

I recommend trying the APX large blackstrap it really feels nice!

[@benjaminlinzy5544]

Good review as always. You have almost convinced me to get the M&P 2.0. It is easy to see that the APX is a good shooter I can't get past it's tactical Toblerone look. My Glocks are ugly enough, don't need an ugly Beretta too. especially considering how gorgeous both the 92 and PX4 Storm are.

[@user-xb2pk4lt9b]

Great review!

[@kenkaufman6760]

Nicely done sir!

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thanks!

[@olliecrow3547]

Great video!

[@nickb.6884]

Sorry I can’t seem to find it but did he say which model of beretta he is using here?

[@maxboost81]

APX 9mm

[@grantorino2009]

M&P 2.0 triggers still suck. Everyone but gunwriters knows this. Beretta APX is clearly superior is all facets.

[@ΧΡΥΠΟΥ]

M and p 2 or cz p10c or Beretta APX ?

[@spencer5654]

Beretta is so ugly it’s awesome. APX for me!

[@philrincon]

The target doesn't lie. I see the favored

[@alex43ko]

I'm a M&P guy so I'm interested in buying a m2.0 but I'm considering another gun other than a M&P just to see if there's something out there I like better (because I was originally a Glock carrier but they never really fitted my hand good, once I held a m&p I had to have one) than the m&p. I want a 9mm because I don't own a 9mm gun, so I want to know what's something as good as or dare I say better (*cringing while typing * lol) than the M&P.

[@papatorr3669]

Jerry Miculek likes the M&P. That 1rst gen M&P trigger kept me away, the 2nd gen is meh. The Beretta 92 grip & trigger weren't for me either, large pistol barely medium cartridge. Even Glock is just okay for me. Three great guns, each mediocre in my hand. But from the moment I held the APX, "I Saw Her Standing There" by The Beatles started playing in my head. To each his hand!

[@pinkiewerewolf]

That has to be a total blast, two blazing guns at the same time. The APX has a Bladerunner look that I like but something pulls me to the M&P 2.0. Eh, I'm in Cali... I pick up a Shield when I get back from vacation. Close as I can get.

[@misterexponential]

Great presentation asusual

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thank you kindly

[@richardoliver1468]

Justin Opinion.....I strongly believe that the Beretta oud did the M&P just by the number of rounds in that black square.

[@anthonycosta1776]

Apx definitely a great shooter. I just hate that huge slide and small grip. Looks weird. I wish the grip was like the m&p and the slide a little tapered. I think that apx slide is bigger than the glock.

[@ziomaxxx]

Beretta: what else?

[@gngng5626]

S&W has made revolvers with excellent triggers for ages and yet the M&P triggers still suck. strange but true.

[@budredden818]

I have both love them

[@jozy5154]

Do you think they will make the apx in .45?

[@JacksonWalter735]

No, but it would be nice for those of us who have a whole bunch of 45 ammo lying around. It currently comes in 9mm and 40.

[@bonespiel]

Can you explain what point of aim means?

[@traeucity6087]

David Dickerson, point of aim is the point on the target where you place your front sight. For instance, placing the top of your front sight at the base of the bullseye is known as a 6 o'clock hold. Covering the center of the bullseye with your front sight is known as center point of aim. 12 O'clock hold is putting the top of your front sight even with the top of the bullseye. Point of aim is just as it sounds. Point of impact is where the rounds ACTUALLY strike. When your point of impact consistently, but uniformly varies from your point of aim; a sight adjustment of some sort is necessary. Hope this helps.

[@bonespiel]

Trae UCity.... Thank you for the information. I struggle with consistency. Being a relatively new shooter, I am still learning recoil management, and gentle trigger pull. I understand sight picture but recoil of my 9mm caliber choice has been a struggle on my more compact gun choices. My G17 seems to be the easiest but it's significantly too big to consider for CCW. I have been recently trying a 2 thumbs forward approach to my shooting grip but have not had a chance to try it out live fire. I am proficient enough to hit the silhouette area of the target fairly consistently but I want to tighten my group patterns. Thus why I was wanting to analyze what I can do to sharpen accuracy.

[@traeucity6087]

David Dickerson, you're welcome. As with any skill, continued practice is what is called for. Erase the term "trigger pull" from your vocabulary. Train your mind to embrace the term, "Trigger press". It's a psychological thing. Groups that are left or right, are due to trigger manipulation. Groups that are up and down are due to breathing. If you will get your front sight on target, then apply steady, even pressure on the trigger, so that you are somewhat surprised when you achieve activation; you will overcome the anticipation of the recoil. Just focus on the mechanics; instead of anticipating the blast. Things like weighted guide rods and barrel porting can help; if all else fails. Keep at it; and stay consistent! A really great instructor, put it as simply as this..."Put your front sight where you want the round to go; and don't do anything to move the front sight from that point."

[@izzy7062]

Your videos are right on, keep them coming. Smith and Wesson get your trigger changed to a non hinged crisper trigger, and you will sell alot of guns. Don't change anything else

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thanks much.

[@olliecrow3547]

They already sell tons of M&P's. I shoot it just fine with the factory trigger.

[@jamesbreen7394]

Nice bro.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Thanks, man.

[@carstenwilliams7733]

You put an Apex trigger in the 2.0 compact and MP be a better shooter

[@randyhernandez644]

He likes the M&P better but he shoots better with the APX lol

[@daviddawkins9669]

i'll take the cheaper one that shoots better even with the wrong grip just my opinion lol

[@LOMROB]

M&P 2.0 or the P10c?

[@carolinabackwoodsgunclub6089]

LOMROB id get the 2.0. The CZ aint all the greatness everybody is harping. Try to push the mag release button with a full mag in it. You will need both thumbs. The controls on the m&p are just better. They work as they should...with one thumb.

[@JacksonWalter735]

Are you still deciding between the two? Since the previous reply that you got, the newer CZ P10Cs have fixed the mag release button getting stuck/being hard to press (a new design mag and they made the P10C's mag release button reversible instead of ambidextrous). If you are looking at the gun straight up, I prefer the P10C because of the trigger, less aggressive (but still great) grip texture, and extremely low bore axis. If you want to customize your gun and fit it with plenty of accessories, the M&P blows the P10C out of the water. While the P10C is building up it's aftermarket support, I don't think it will ever match the M&P line unless they somehow get extremely popular. With the M&P, you can spend more money to customize it to make it a better shooter than the P10C. On my M&P 2.0, I put an Apex trigger in it, replaced the sights, replaced the stock barrel with a ported one (that's in gold), and lightning cuts in the slide to reduce muzzle flip. You can customize a P10C in a similar manner, but your options are severely limited

[@LOMROB]

@@JacksonWalter735 Thank you for your input. I’ve owned couple of M&P 2.0’s. I like them. Still have my eye on a P10C.

[@FromPlsNerf]

I love my 2.0

[@omarrivera8774]

Beretta Apx es la mejor

[@justinv3080]

Hard choice between the two, I'd probably pick the M&P because it's made in America.

[@nickp.7156]

Solid video!

[@richklein3337]

Get the CZ P10c and you'll have the best of both guns in one; ergonomics & trigger.

[@82lowe36id]

Love the M&P M2.0! Would not even consider the APX.

[@carolinabackwoodsgunclub6089]

Claymore your missing out. They are very similar. The Beretta trigger is better. I own both.

[@carolinabackwoodsgunclub6089]

JordanMG345 trash??? Whats trash??? Which one???

[@Boris5501]

I love my APX ❤️

[@michaelmendillo4614]

The Berretta Pleeeeez,,,,, 😁🖒🇺🇸🇮🇹

[@charliehaskins5085]

Aha do you only show full size guns.

[@JustinOpinionChannel]

Not at all. I have a number of videos on sub-compact and micro-size pistols. Also have an upcoming comparison of several popular compact 9's. Subscribe and stay tuned!

[@maldohan9097]

M&P 2.0 all day good luck with aftermarket stuff for the apx hahahaha or a nice holster. M&p got extra mags holsters sights triggers It's way better for me.

[@grapeblastplayz4658]

1791 4 way concealment holster is beautiful. Size 5, after some break in. Like a tailor made glove to my apx compact

[@joetraina6844]

Thank you, Grape. I'm buying the APX compact this week and I'm struggling to find a holster. I own 2 other 1791 holsters and love them. I'll give that a try.

[@JacksonWalter735]

I agree. Straight up the APX is a better gun at a better price, but if aftermarket support and customization is your priority, the M&P line blows the APX out of the water.