You are one of the reasons I don't do too many gear reviews. Your reviews are the best out there IMO. So much information! Very well done
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Justin! That means a lot!
@ItsGoodintheWoods4 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors I mean it man. Top shelf material.
@mobilewintercamp75154 жыл бұрын
@@ItsGoodintheWoods did you get snow? I’m hoping it’s a good snow and hot tent season this year. I had bad luck camping last year, I need a better run
@ItsGoodintheWoods4 жыл бұрын
@@mobilewintercamp7515 We got about an inch!! Enough to be exciting! I am hoping for a banger year........fingers crossed!
@ItsGoodintheWoods3 жыл бұрын
@@RonnelB. In my opinion
@Bingbopboop4 жыл бұрын
I was literally searching for this last night and was frustrated about a lack of good comparisons. You rock dude!
@nickb66244 жыл бұрын
I was looking for the same thing a few weeks ago, I ended up getting the tensor, I don't regret it in the slightest
@emainz14 жыл бұрын
@@nickb6624 I bought the tensor but it was just not comfortable enough and thing kept leaking. The latter was super frustrating on the trail. I think it’s hit or miss for a lot of folks
@JustinHEMI054 жыл бұрын
Average sized guys should consider the Women's Ether Light XT Long. You get the width while getting a 72" length vice 78" for the men's, without having to get the rectangular men's pad. Plus, you get a little more insulation for R value of 3.5.
@gray.dog63 жыл бұрын
Agreed, that’s what I did and it’s great.
@bigsky2122 жыл бұрын
Same here. I've been using that pad for the past 5 years and it's still going strong. I've used all the pads in this review and the S2S Ether Lt Womens Lg is hands down the most comfortable pad out of all of them.
@NADRIGOL4 жыл бұрын
Awesome roundup. Same sentiments we've seen in so many reviews and videos of these three pads, but this video is now such a succinct resource. Feel like this video should be the reply to the majority of "what sleeping pad should I get" posts.
@eschurma3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for including the Sustainability information! This isn't included often in reviews and is appreciated.
@scottbecker34854 жыл бұрын
Your best review to date! :-) I own all three of these mats (and several more) and concur with your experience and ratings on every single point. You covered all the bases, and I also agree that for me - as a side sleeper who tends to get cold when temps get down to freezing or slightly below - the Nemo Tensor is the way to go. I love the Sea to Summit, but I did feel colder on it at similar near-freezing temps, especially at my hips and shoulders (which obviously come closer to the ground). Although comfortable to the max, the Sea to Summit sometimes doesn‘t keep me warm enough. Will stick with the Nemo from here on out, always with an thin foam pad underneath for adding protection and warmth doing double duty as a daytime nap pad, a yoga pad, a chilling-at-the-lake or wet-grass pad, etc. Nobody should ever rely 100% on an inflatable pad when deep into the wild, as in 2-3 walking days from civilization. Learned my lesson the hard (and cold) way once. A foam pad like me weighs only about 80-90 grams, and is well worth the weight penalty. I just roll it up and strap it to the top of my pack. If it rains, it gets wet, but also drys really fast. Just thought I‘d add that idea for anyone being seduced by any of these inflatables. When punctures or bad valves happen out in the wild, you may or not be able to find and patch the leaks. Having a Plan B is important. Anyhow, great review! This one will surely end up being the most-clicked review of these pads on KZbin!
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Great points Scott and I really wish the Ether Light XT was comparably warm to the Tensor. Luckily, the tensor is a great pad as well! I definitely get the punctures and bad valves point but it's also important to carry a repair kit. I've fixed slow leaks in the field as well as busted valves. And a good repair kit extends past the sleeping pad to all other gear as well. A tip for patching a leak is to use your soap and water and mix it up and spread it over the pad where you think there might be a leak. The leak will create a soap bubble!
@scottbecker34854 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors Yes, being prepared to repair in the field is a must. The one time I would hav needed to, though, I didn‘t have the patience to soap up my entire mat and look for bubbles in the freezing cold and dark, and there would have been no way to wash the soap off anyhow (with perhaps the latter being negligible in an emergency situation). Back home, I discovered the valve was defective, and as far as I could determine was not field-reparable. Needless to say I‘ll never trust another mat from Exped! The one I had was ultralight, but had only been out about twice before, and had been babied like crazy. Exped had me send it in, and then told me the „repair“ would cost so much that I could easily buy a new mat, instead. End of Exped for me. Anyhow, there are better makers out there, now, and Nemo is definitely growing from strength to strength. They started out somewhere in the shadows, but are now entering the limelight. I also very much love their Nemo Hornet 2P (two-person) tent, regular fabric (not the ultralight one). It‘s nearly self-standing and offers tons of room and headspace, great views, easy side entry, etc.
@debbilermond15532 жыл бұрын
This is a great comparison, Justin! I just found this but glad that I bought the NEMO Tensor Insulated Wide pad last year. I'm very happy with it as a side sleeper who wakes up with the tiniest noise. The Tensor really is quiet and comfortable, IMO!
@LongStraightLines3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree Justin. I sold both of my Thermarests and don't use the Etherlight anymore due to the noise it makes on all of my tent floors. I love the Tensor and have since bought the Alpine version as well. Great work thanks.
@axeln484 жыл бұрын
Very helpful - thanks Justin! I will go for the Nemo Tensor. Unfortunately not available in Europe at present, as so many other quality pads/bags/tents...
@Breaze822 жыл бұрын
Justin - thanks for this comprehensive and thoroughly video. You gotta review the new Exped Ultra 5R in this series. I recently bought one myself after watching and comparing. Its so comfortable, quiet, warm, supporting and has a Fabrice that is less slippery and feels even nice against bare skin. My Medium Wide Mummy 5R weights 530g in my scale at home. Last but noch least - the outer baffles are also insulated. I had an TAR XLite and an STS UL imsulated and I think the Exped beats both in comfort and warmth, although its a bit heavier than both, but comparable to the tensor alpine and lighter than the etherlight. REI got those Exped Ultras in Stock now and sectionhiker reviewed two of them. Last but not least - initially I wamted to go with the nemo but after reading the comments in their homepage I am glad I didnt.
@mattdirksen93174 жыл бұрын
Great review! My only comment is that it may be important to inform viewers that these "three season" pads have an R value measurably less than the ISO standard (R-4.8), which is what is used to establish sleeping bag temperature ratings. The Nemo Tensor and Ether light pad's R values are 27% to 33% less than ISO, which means that using these pads will greatly impact one's dependency on their sleeping bag's temperature rating. Often, folks like to "push" their sleeping bags into the shoulder seasons, and then end up miserable because of inadequate insulation underneath of them.
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Definitely a major and under looked factor for sleep systems and probably worthy of it's own video!
@jimqpublic23 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors One thing to consider is that the ground temperature is seldom the same as the air, and conduction varies a lot. I've slept on snow when the overnight air was +50F; other times it was -10F. Dry forest duff or packed powder snow insulates well, ice, mud, and rock don't. It's definitely worthy of investigation.
@gravityalwayswins14343 жыл бұрын
Excellent review Justin! Loaded with detail, direct to the point no wandering off topic, organized, no bs no drama. Good job! Thanks! subbed
@SummitSeeker5462 жыл бұрын
For those of you that have a dyneema or single wall trekking pole designed tent the X Lite pad at 2.5in is the best choice and gives you a bit more space between your face/head/feet and the wall of the tent. Combine the pad with a 20”x40” 1/8” foam pad and you get even more warmth (increased R value) and it provides even greater protection to the inflatable pad from possible ground punctures. Plus the foam pad can be used as a sit pad, yoga mat, or nap mat and only weighs 1.7oz. Almost forgot, it also helps hold your inflatable in place (no slippage) and lastly the size is perfect for unloading all your gear on when you get to camp especially if it’s wet out. I love gear that has multiple uses…
@jimrice4699 Жыл бұрын
I emphatically agree with all of that and I believe it is a best practice to always carry some form of foam pad. For most conditions, I have transitioned from the1/8 inch EVA foam pad to the 1/4 inch EVA foam pad (3/4 length), and for cold weather camping I usually bring a thermarest ridge rest of one design or another to complement whatever air mattress I am using. What is seldom discussed is the heat loss from the edges of the air mattresses. Such heat loss likely reduces the R factor significantly due to air circulation within the pad in "real life" usage, compared to the laboratory test conditions where there is not an actively moving subject on top of the pad. MLD usually sells larger sheets of EVA foam that can be cut to a 25 inch width if desired. For warmth, the foam pad should be placed on top of the air mattress. Personally, I always go with the "wide" air mattresses. As an example, the NeoAir in 20 inch versions collapse so much at the edges that they behave more like something narrower than 20 inches. I'm also six feet tall, 170 lbs which drives me towards a wider pad, but even my adult daughter who is about 5ft 9 inches and quite thin, prefers a wide (25 inch) pad despite the greater weight.
@GromtKromkakejern4 жыл бұрын
I used my Ether Light XT last night, it was just around freezing, I was fine but that is about as low as you can go. I find it super comfy.
@richardnettles74814 жыл бұрын
Insane details in this review - well done. I bought the large rectangular Ether Light XT pad based solely on one of your earlier reviews. No regrets
@thehikingref3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the video. My first pad I purchased is the S2S Ehterlite and just bought the Nemo Tensor. I agree with your findings as both pads have performed well for me. I use the OV pillow.
@kristenglass38044 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these amazing reviews! I bought the etherlight xt based off of your earlier review of it and couldn't be happier with it. Picked up the thermarest z-sol for additional insulation during shoulder seasons, and that definitely helps with the warmth!
@christophermagera86434 жыл бұрын
Important review. Definitely the best three pads on the market right now
@gray.dog63 жыл бұрын
For people wanting to take the Ether Lite XT down to some colder weather, they also have an Extreme version, with an R value of 6.9 or something like that. It does double the weight, bringing it to around 2 pounds(I think), but definitely a lot warmer. You can recognize it because it’s black not grey.
@danielmeyer37952 жыл бұрын
Did not work for me, even being 10cm thick, it was uncomfortable, I went back to my Exped Synmat 7cm, just because it was comfortable, but less rigid.
@lewiscraven25904 жыл бұрын
This review is awesome!! Explains exactly what you want to know about each one and how they stack up! Been searching for ages for different comparisons and this is by far the best, thanks Justin!
@hikefishmakemusic2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the ranking chart you provided and considering sustainability. Of course, weighting the ranking values to interject an "importance" value to the rankings can also skew the results to one pad over another. For example, being a side-sleeper, comfort is of utmost importance to me, so I give that a higher "importance" value. Cost is least important to me (I hate to say it). Weight is negligible between the three as we are talking a matter of a few grams/ounces here, so I throw that stat out as an outlier. I own all three pads. I guide backpack trips in the Colorado backcountry during the summer months (sleep 25+ nights above 10K feet per season) and can tell you that if I don't sleep well, the following day I can be hangry. So, I like the Tenser or Etherlite for my needs with a slight favor to the Etherlite because of its thickness preventing that dreaded hip-pointer bottoming out on the ground (I sleep with a pad slightly deflated to soften the surface for comfort). Here's an element that has become part of my sleep system just this year (2022): I use a Gossamer Gear 1/8" Thinlite Foam Pad under my inflatable sleeping pad. It does three things really well: 1) add 0.5 of R-value 2) prevents the inflatable sleeping pad from slipping around as I shift at night, and 3) reduces the inflatable pad noise "squeekyness" as I flip-flop around. I previously thought of a foam pad as a gimic, but I can tell you it isn't. And for adding an additional 3 oz to my pack, it's well worth it to give me a better night's sleep!
@jimrice4699 Жыл бұрын
Well said. I agree completely. I moved to the 1/4 inch EVA pad which is also available in larger sheets from MLD (Mountain Laurel Designs). I find that my air mattresses are more comfortable with a foam pad on top as well. Here is a "test" readers can do that is easiest to execute when car camping in temps below freezing, or other situations below freezing where you have available a folding camp chair with seat back. Sit on the chair without any additional pad and see how long it takes for your backside to get cold (not too long). Sit on the pad with a 1/4 inch EVA foam pad on top of it (the pad will go on top of your sleeping bag later). It will literally feel like the chair has a heater in it. Seriously. I have been amazed at the difference. Then imagine what it does when it is added to your sleep system. I carry the 1/8 version when the purpose is primarily moisture protection when sitting or resting on the ground or for pad puncture protection. I bring the 1/4 version in situations where I want the back up R value.
@jaredcampbell4 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Thank you for doing this. I used to use the Big Agnes AXL insulated but found it very uncomfortable. I got the Nemo Tensor insulated and it is much more comfortable and quieter.
@christophermagera86434 жыл бұрын
Back Sleepers: Therm-a-rest Neoair Xlite Side Sleepers: Sea to Summit Ether Light XT Insulated Affordability: Nemo Tensor Insulated
@scottbecker34854 жыл бұрын
Addendum: Side sleepers who tend to be cold: Nemo Tensor. And I own all three of these pads. Justin’s impressions totally align with mine. One more category: All folks whose least favorite part of backpacking is deflating pads: NOT the Xlite. 😉
@danielstevens52804 жыл бұрын
@@scottbecker3485 The XLite has a new valve that releases the air almost as fast as the Tensor now. Do some homework.
@danielstevens52804 жыл бұрын
Affordability: Nemo Lowest quality build: Nemo This pad is prone to failure for heavy users, do some research.
@scottbecker34854 жыл бұрын
@@danielstevens5280 Thanks for your view on the valve. Did research before my remarks, and at least 3 trusted KZbin reviewers concurred that the improved valve, though better, was not as good as the competition‘s. But opinions will obviously vary.
@scottbecker34854 жыл бұрын
@@danielstevens5280 Yes, I could well imagine the Xlite is more durable. I baby both it and the Nemo, and both are still fine.
@ItsGoodintheWoods4 жыл бұрын
A nice collection of sleeping pads you have there. I have the Tensor , and I really enjoy it! Bought it new for $145 USD
@bigsky2122 жыл бұрын
Great review Justin, as always! However, I beg to differ with you on the quality metric in your final tally. I recently bought a Nemo Tensor insulated, Reg/Wide, so the exact same pad you're reviewing. Second night out, it developed a tear in a crease on the top of the pad. I treat my gear very carefully, and I handled this pad with extra caution based on many poor reviews on its durability on REI's website. It was definitely not punctured and it was not overinflated. It just tore open under normal use. By contrast, I've been using my S2S Ether Light XT, Womens size Large, for 5 years and have never had a problem. This pad IMO is the best little secret in the backpacking pad market. It's 72"L x 25"W, R-value is 3.5. The shape is a brilliantly designed oval that puts the width where want it, at the hips (the classic mummy shape works great, if your happen to be named Frankenstein). Weight is 618g/21.8oz on my scale, which includes the stuff sack that doubles as a pump sack, and a repair kit that includes a spare diaphragm for the valve. I'll add that the stuff/pump sack is the best I've ever used. It fills easily and inflates the pad with just 3 breaths. My only complaint is that it's bulkier than the other two when packed down, probably due to the thinsulate, but I can live with that.
@briansmith85074 жыл бұрын
Love my Tensor, great video! All 3 are great proven options. FYI if you love the tensor like me but winter camp and are willing to take a bit more weight, Nemo makes a “mountaineering” version with a bit more insulation.
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
It's on my list of pads to try!
@r-pupz7032 Жыл бұрын
I've got the Sea to Summit Etherlight Women's Large. It was the best fit for me - I couldn't afford the Tensor in the UK, and I'm a curvy gal who side-sleeps, and I have inflammatory arthritis so I'm happy to pay the small weight penalty. I'm delighted with my purchase, thank you for the very helpful review! My second choice was the Big Agnes Rapide (wide regular) but the Etherlight won out in terms of comfort!
@davidgeorge4423 жыл бұрын
Awesome review! Interestingly, the Nemo Tensor fabric is very quiet to the touch but makes an extremely loud “groaning” or “creaking” noise against the floor of my Big Agnes Copper Spur, making it by far the loudest pad I’ve ever used. It’s so loud that it’s unusable. I’m hoping that since the Copper Spur is new, the fabric treatment will break in to stop that noise!
@rmccarthy1752 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful! Really appreciate the thorough cross comparison.
@_68niou14 жыл бұрын
This review is one of the most valuable out there for sleeping pads. Thanks! I'm wondering if anyone will ever really review the SeaToSummit Ultralight Insulated.
@nicolemartel86613 жыл бұрын
I have that one and it seems very similar to the etherlight!! Extremely comfy, but really loud! I was so afraid of waking up my friends that I wouldn’t move at all, so had a hard time getting comfortable. Traded that for the Nemo tensor, which was significantly quieter, but definitely not as comfy. My arm fell asleep a little and my hip hit the ground a bit. Currently torn between the two, depends on what you value most!
@JosBTG3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining how to use a pump sack. I've seen another review video where the guy used it wrong by directly blowing into it and then complaining that it took too long. Subscribed, because you know what you're talking about.
@alexwbanks703 жыл бұрын
Best pad review I've ever seen. Great job!
@WasatchWill3 жыл бұрын
Hi Justin. I know this vid is a few months old, but the numbers you gave for cost and weights at the beginning threw me off for a second, but I then came to a quick assumption that you were comparing larger/wider versions of these pads. It just wasn't confirmed or disclosed until much later in the video. I have the previous model of the Xlite and just picked up a Tensor on sale at a local retailer and also recently got my wife the Ether Light XT, so this video jumped out at me given that we now have all three of these pads in our house as well (plus some Klymits), but in the regular sizes. Nice, thorough review!
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
Hey Will. Sorry, I should have been more clear in the video. I went with the lightest 25 inch wide option available for each pad.
@pentacosttb2565 Жыл бұрын
My wife and I both have the Ether Lite. Great pads for camping in England, even in winter.
@hoser77062 жыл бұрын
By far THE BEST sleeping pad video on these three pads. I own or have owned all 3 and still prefer my Big Agnes AXL Insulated for summer, Xtherm for Cdn winters, and my Klymit Ultralite Sl for shoulder seasons. And a short Uberlite for ultralite. The Xlite is awesome but seems to be getting louder w each iteration. Your breakdown and assessments for each pad were spot on and perfdctly delivered. Accurate and fair! 🇨🇦✌🏻
@StevieDahlen4 жыл бұрын
Just listened to you on Trail Tales as well. This video here is a perfect example of what you claimed on Kyle’s podcast. You really bring a unique perspective to these gear reviews. Phenomenal!
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve! I appreciate that!
@Jagefo4 жыл бұрын
Ether Light is awesome. At first I thought it was noisy but when I pumped it up super firm it was pretty much silent (and even more comfortable). Just wish it was warmer.
@username-mc7jw3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review. Exactly what I was looking for, and hands-down the BEST review I have ever seen done on these three pads!!! I really liked the technical build details, and I have not seen them mentioned anywhere else. The illustrations really helped with understanding how these pads are made, and the differences between them. I could have done without the sustainability and ethics information, but it's a cheap price to pay for such a thorough review. I just ordered the Tensor in hopes of replacing my incredibly noisy Xlite.
@Rampampulin4 жыл бұрын
Finally a good comparison video between these mats. Nobody has done that especially not in this detail. Unfortunately you missed out the Exped sleeping mats. I wonder how comfortable these are. Some say the vertical baffles are more comfortable and give more support. They are pretty light too but not as light as the Thermarest.
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
It's really difficult for me to get exped mats where I am, especially at a good price!
@kerri92994 жыл бұрын
I ended up buying the female sts pad a few weeks ago. Here in oz it’s the same price as the other 2 pads, and of course the women’s pad is warmer. Based on this review I’m glad I made the choice I did :)
@stephencrane5613 жыл бұрын
Just a quicky: why, "of course" - I'm looking for a warmer pad and don't care about labelling.
@MichaelEFerry2 жыл бұрын
Still happy with this choice?
@skiaddict084 жыл бұрын
I got a used Tensor through REI Used for $100 and it rocks, in a comfortable way!
@BackpackDad4 жыл бұрын
What a steal! I got the tensor insulated long wide (Thanks to Justin’s review) with my dividend from REI
@kellycarlen96054 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried all 3 of these also. I arrived at pretty much the same conclusion as you. My nutshell review: X-lite: warm, light, noisy Etherlite: most comfortable, least warm. Quiet. Hated the storage sack/inflation bag. Best valve. Tensor: warm (not quite X lite level, but close), middle comfort level. Best inflation bag of these three. My personal sleeping pad of choice? Exped Synmat UL. Comfortable. The Schnozzle is the best inflation bag. (Side note the Nemo Vortex bag fits the Exped valve and Exped Schnoozle fits the Nemo valve.). Good feeling material. (20 D). Weight is on par with the Tensor. Not the highest R value for cold conditions (I think it’s around a 3. The Synmat UL Winter has an R value of around 5 for a few ounces more.).
@AdventureswithWillem3 жыл бұрын
exped durability is terible.
@nicolaslemay3 жыл бұрын
High five for talking about sustainability! I don't hear this often, even if its an important aspect for more and more shoppers!
@Valkaneer2 жыл бұрын
Or it makes you sound like a political activist which can be a turn off because it's what most people are trying to get away from. Briefly mentioning it is one thing, talking about it for 5 minutes is something else. When you have three good products and you like one of them, but you feel you're being pressured to buy a different product because that company has slightly better sustainability practices, I think that's going to far.
@billstuart93942 жыл бұрын
@@Valkaneer yeah i typically prefer my stuff made it se asian sweatshops ;especially if it saves me a few bucks ....
@Valkaneer2 жыл бұрын
@@billstuart9394 Before you try to make someone sound stupid perhaps you should know what you're talking about. Sweat shops have nothing to do with sustainability🙄. If you know what you're talking about sustainability is about ecological impact / green compliant manufacturing.
@jimrice4699 Жыл бұрын
These scoring methods are useful, simple, and easy for most people to digest. But my reaction to them is that they often result in badly skewed results that are somewhat comical. (Justin does a great Job - among the best of all outdoor gear reviewers - and part of his goal is to "KISS" so I do not intend to criticize him or this review, but I am going to make a suggestion). A couple of examples, if three pads (or any item) are virtually equally comfortable but they are forced into a progressive score of 1, 2, 3 then that portion of the weighting will be "overweighted". Ditto on weight. What if they were all within one ounce of each other? What I would prefer is for reviewers to present at least one ranking which is based solely on function and omitting other elements that have no bearing on function. Do NOT include price, sustainability, color, etc. in the "function" ranking. Price - We can all assess our personal price benefit ratio. Sustainability - that is also a personal assessment that is irrespective of the function. Etc. Based on my experience, it is fairly widely agreed that if a camper values durabitity, lightweight and a higher degree of warmth, then one of the NeoAir's is the way to go (provided the noise is not an issue or they wear ear plugs, and excluding the Uberlite from the "durable" list). If an individual is somewhat larger, or values comfort more than weight and bulk, and the ultimate R factor in the pad itself is not required, then the Tensor Insulated is the way to go. Lots of other pads fit in between those two ranges.
@theasiamtmgroup2 жыл бұрын
That's an excellent review mate, thanks a lot for this. I'm planning on doing some trekking and wild camping this year (Scotland) and have been researching sleep pads. I was already leaning towards the Nemo based on research I've done already, and this review cinched it. I'm going with the Nemo mostly due to noise ...
@therealdrecu4 жыл бұрын
Dude im just searchin the last days like crazy about the ether light and the nemo sensor for comparison thank you so much for making my decision easier!
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
What did you end up going with?
@therealdrecu4 жыл бұрын
I ain't sure about that noise factor and want to test both mats out now. Then I hope that I can Make a decision😅
@FunsizedEarthling4 жыл бұрын
Goodness me..you’re right, that was a lot of information! Top effort in making these reviews, informative but concise. I am wanting to replace my thermarest and I think, I have made a decision. I am not watching anymore reviews!! Haha. Thank you so much for sharing this!
@turtlecrawford64684 жыл бұрын
Another great review Justin! I don't even need a sleeping pad but it makes me want to buy one any way
@colinwatt003 жыл бұрын
@2:45 you said the ‘Nemo Tensor is made with a 20D Nylon’. This is incorrect. It is made from a 20D Polyester. This fabric has differnt qualities and properties to a nylon.
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
You are correct, I misspoke.
@BigDawgCAM Жыл бұрын
Just two years and already the Neoair and Tensor have gotten warmer and more comfortable, the new BA Rapide is making waves, and the REI Helix is easily the best budget option. But still the Etherlight XT has yet to respond 😢 Hope they get on it in time for next season
@lrkekrogstrup85543 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. What a great and very very useful overview. Big help for buying the right pad.
@stephenbouchard80754 жыл бұрын
Hey Justin. Great video. I just recently purchased the Trekology UL 80 mat that I’ll be putting to test this coming summer. Going from a z rest to this should be an improvement none the less.
@thewanderingforester2 жыл бұрын
Over here in Uk Thermarest seems to be the go-to for just about everyone looking for a high-end pad so having bought the Tensor insulated I've had a lot of questions as to why. Now I can point them at this video and perhaps feel a little smug. :-) :-)
@bluegrass48404 жыл бұрын
Exactly the video I was looking for, thank you.
@cammicws13 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for a detailed informative summary. It save me a lot of time to do a research. Well done 👍
@Bingobongo34 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing for this video I was recently trying to figure out what pad I wanted and then, boom!
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Any inkling on what you're leaning towards?!
@Bingobongo34 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors well my shelter is a hammock so i'm thinking the edge support and thickness doesn't matter much to me. so im thinking the Thermarest because of the weight. but also i am thinking the nemo would be good because its not tapered.
@TrekkingPackingGear2 жыл бұрын
It would be pretty interesting to know what pad size you refer to with the weight.
@mamawelder2 жыл бұрын
I have all three. I have one correction the Nemo Tensor material is said to be recycled 20D polyester fabrics not Nylon. The only reason I’m paying attention to the material is because I cut and sealed my Thermorest Neo air xlite. I plan to experiment with cutting down a ether lite I have That has a leak. I’m still researching whether the polyester fabric of the tensor can be cut down and properly sealed. My motivation is to create a 25” wide torso pad to save weight.
@bertman44 жыл бұрын
Very thorough comparison. I love my Tensor wide! But... for winter, one thing I found was that too much surface area made it sleep colder since the bottom on snow and the top area not covered by you or your sleeping bag is getting chilled. I'm looking at the Tensor Alpine as a possible winter pad.
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
That is definitely a factor and a big reason the Neoair baffling system is so warm. Each baffle can be heated up independently and that surface area effect isn't as much of a factor. After S2S comes out with the Ether Light XT Extreme, I really want to do a comparison of the Xtherm, Tensor Alpine, and Ether Light Extreme.
@austindory77884 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors When you do the next review what would also be interesting to know is roughly how much of a warmth bump you can get from one of these pads by putting something like an SOL bivy under them like thru-hikers do (see Wild on the Trail) so if your feet end up hanging off the pad for example, you don't end up waking up because of it.
@CaptainCamp4 жыл бұрын
Wow this is arguably one of your most 'anticipated' videos so far. This will be a go-to video for anyone looking for an inflatable sleeping pad 😎
@jeffpeters53474 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in how the Thermarest Neoair Topo Luxe sleeping pad fits into this grouping. Thanks for the matchup Justin. My first backpacking pad is the Ether Light and I have no need to replace it. But that doesn't mean that I keep my eyes & ears open.
@DarrenYee4 жыл бұрын
Great information Justin, I appreciate the detail and comparison between the sleeping pads.
@BackpackDad4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review brother! Tensor insulated for the win.
@impermanenthuman84273 жыл бұрын
Awesome review! Thanks I would probably have chosen the tensor, but I like the idea of bringing the pad inside a bivvy and I need a large wide pad too so to fit in a bivvy (which is a large mummy shape) I’ll go with the sea to summit as it’s large model is mummy cut and clearly the most comfortable and brining it inside a bivvy will make it slightly warmer, also would probably bring a closed cell foam pad as an under layer in winter anyway
@JuanRamirez-jm9bp4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this very complete comparison. Now let' choose !
@garyborad76164 жыл бұрын
Great video - just bought an x-lite but your insight on the noise and edge support has me thinking about an exchange. The thing is... the tensor is about twice the weight.... struggling with this...
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
It's a tough choice! Try out the Xlite. If you find it comfy, then I'd stick with it.
@stephaniethomas75953 жыл бұрын
GREAT REVIEW. I am a plus-sized, over 50, woman who enjoys sleeping under the stars but hate the thin and narrow pads that will rustle loudly every time I turn! I've whittled it down to Big Agnes Q Core SLX, Klymit Static V Luxe, Sea to Summit Comfort Plus Insulated, Thermarest NeoAir Topo Luxe Sleeping Pad, or Sea to Summit Ether Light XT Insulated. I like the idea of a 30-inch wide mattress. Any thoughts on which pad might be best?
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
That's quite the list! Maybe the Comfort Plus Insulated?
@stephaniethomas75953 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks -- I had to bite the bullet and just picked the Ether Light since so many people comment about how comfortable it is. I also like the idea of easy inflate/deflate. For the record, though, ALL of the above pads were VERY difficult to find on-line -- many were sold out. I was able to just call Sea to Summit directly in Colorado and had them expedite shipping for a camping trip I am taking with students this weekend. Thanks again for your excellent review.
@sueb8604 жыл бұрын
Love my Nemo Tensor! Just picked up (er, I mean, invested in, ha ha) the Alpine model for Winter backpacking trips!
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to be able to try out an Alpine!
@danielmeyer37952 жыл бұрын
The best is the most comfortable for your needs. My family used a lot of different pads, at the end not one that wins the comparisons. We usually love Sea to Summit, but didn't work for us at all. At the end we all use Exped Synmat 7cm, why? Because of the design the arm don't slip of because the outer tubes are minimal higher...And the widths is a problem with all of them, if you take a small / medium they are usually to narrow.
@geicooutdoors91912 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about the Zenbivy Light mattress. I have had great success with it and wonder how it compares to these three…
@tinamendoza62093 жыл бұрын
Have you tried the big Agnes q core deluxe? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. I loved this comparison especially since my arms fall asleep too so that was a great detail! Now I’m stuck between the Nemo tensor, Agnes q core and the etherlite 😩
@elizab1028 Жыл бұрын
We were apprehensive about the noise our Neoair Xlite would make, but It turned-out to be a non-issue. We barely notice the noise. The X- lites are very warm, and light weight, and, very importan: compact when packed-up. Having a small pad means we can have a smaller capacity backpack. I think that the size of the pad, when packed up, is an import factor that should be factored-in for a review of sleeping pads.
@jimmyhernandez96933 жыл бұрын
Awesome information, didnt see this video but I'm glad i went with the Nemo tensor.
@abelnunez-guerrero38322 жыл бұрын
Impressive and informative video! Thank you!
@aurtisanminer28273 жыл бұрын
I dont have any issues with a 20” wide pad, but I could benefit from a wider quilt. My butt likes to pull up on the edge of my quilt and makes a draft. I do roll around a lot, but i think that sleeping on a bed full of dogs has accustomed me to sleeping on a narrow strip of bed.
@nobison61854 жыл бұрын
Using my Tensor tonight. It's supposed to be in the 30F range but I've taken it to 20F before. That review should be a textbook!
@Dawnpiparo4 жыл бұрын
I've been using the Trekology UL80 and I'm in love. It's extremely light, well designed and packs super small. Curious what your thoughts are.....it's a budget friendly option compared to these more expensive sleeping pads.
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
I have used it and it is pretty comfortable but my problem is it doesn't have any insulation. Most of the time, temps are dropping to close to freezing at night and I need an r-value of at least 3 to stay warm.
@Dawnpiparo4 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors That makes sense. As a Floridian, most of my camping stay above freezing. I used it in the Mountains in Nevada and it did well at 35F
@a.e.33233 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review! Which one do you think is best for side sleepers? (Should probably go test in a store.) Would also love to see a review like this of some cheaper (and heavier) pads.
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
I think the Etherlight XT is the best for side sleeping!
@geauxoutdoors2 жыл бұрын
Justin, as always I love your reviews and I am new to your channel but am really learning alot and exploring options as I build my first UL kit. My questions is, Im 6'1" and wondering if I need a long pad or a regular pad? I know for a fact I need a wide pad but let me know your thoughts on lenght, I cant tell how tall you are naturally but you look of similar build to me. Thanks again for all of the great first hand knowledge you are sharing!
@dougieranger2 жыл бұрын
Very comprehensive review, thanks.
@FredMaranhao3 жыл бұрын
Hi Justin, I recently started car camping and I’m planning on graduating to overnight backpacking. I ended up buying the Klymit Insulated Static V Luxe (wider). I have the older version (push-pull valve), R 5 “rated”. I understand that with the new R standards, the releases a “newer” version which is basically the same (different valve), but it’s new R 4-4 rated. I know it’s far from an ultralight pad, but have you had any experience with it? I live in Australia, so I am yet to try it out on winter / snow, but so far it has been great! Keen on hearing your honest opinion. Maybe even reach out to the manufacturer to understand and “analyse” their technology. Better yet: see if you can get ahold of one and give it a try!!! Anyway, thanks for your channel! Huge fan!!! Cheers, Fred.
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
I have a Klymit Ultralight Insulated pad and it just isn't warm enough for me unfortunately. It is 4-5 years older though.
@seankellett266 Жыл бұрын
if you want a warmer Nemo pad they do an alpine version but it costs a bit more and is a little heavier at 777grams i think. It has an R-value of 4.8 though.
@Kebersox4 жыл бұрын
I've tried the Therm-a-rest and Nemo in store. If laying on your back, I found Therm-a-rest more comfortable. Laying on you side, Nemo was better. Didn't have access to StS.
@seantaylormtb71704 жыл бұрын
Hey Justin another great review, super useful as I look for a new pad. Question, what help if any does a closed-cell mat have under a pad? So if I was to chose the Ether Light and use say a Thermarest Z-Lite under it, how much would that improve the insulation (or effective R value)? Strikes me a closed cell mat is a useful thing to have anyway??
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
A closed cell foam matt definitely helps! The r-values would stack if you put the ether light xt on a z-lite.
@seantaylormtb71704 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors Thanks Justin. I don't anticipate doing too much below zero, so comfort probably the biggest consideration. Think I will stack and see how I go. Can always buy more gear if needed !!!!
@andyh1022 жыл бұрын
My go to channel for backpacking gear review! It's a shame that none of the shops in my country let you try on sleeping pads, bought about 4 that I find super uncomfortable.
@MeetMeOutside4 жыл бұрын
I got the Sea to Summit Ether Lite based on your review from I think last year. What an amazing pad, combined with the thermarest foam pad, good to go ! For cold weather that is . Great review man !
@nicolaspaulin69253 жыл бұрын
Do you put the pad under the ether lite?
@MeetMeOutside3 жыл бұрын
@@nicolaspaulin6925 Yes, but sometimes I put it on top.
@vanguardcycle3 жыл бұрын
Man I hated my x-lite, but loving my Trekology UL. However; the Trek pump bag sadly, with the huge roll top design, is complete garbage and beyond useless. As always with your content... Succinct, packed full of good info, and no elitism. Your genuine enthusiasm for this life shines through
@chasee15633 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! love your videos. so helpful
@rogerhuston82874 жыл бұрын
That assumes that each category is weighted equally. For many comfort is the most important feature, especially beginners. It can mean the difference between enjoying backpacking or not.
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
100%! It's just a fun way to summarize it all :)
@elleafgl56414 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Justin for your great review !! I have read in the comments below that a new Sea to Summit Ether Lite, a more insulated version or a new insulated version, would soon be available (around the end of winter you said). That would be so great and exactly what I am looking for ! And I prefer to wait a little for my purchase if this is the case... I have tried to find more informations but without success. Can you tell me more about it ? Thank you very much in advance !
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Not much info out there yet!
@pct20254 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video, thanks Justin. 🙌
@johnnyroaming3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Review! would you do a review on the Trekology UL sleeping pad? I heard it’s design is good for side sleepers, it’s budget friendly, would love to see you compare it to to the more expensive products.
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
I actually have the Trekology UL but haven't had a chance to review it yet as it's not insulated!
@johnnyroaming3 жыл бұрын
Awesome hopefully you can get to test it out in warmer weather, in torn between the sea to summit or the trekology. Keep up the great reviews! I live in Calgary, this season will be my first time going out backcountry. I’ve done crownland with campers, but want to go deeper away from vehicles and ATV’s etc, I was thinking doing a trip to Rae Lakes then back to Elbow lakes(will have to get perm and reg) for night two. Any other recommendations for my first backcountry?
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyroaming If backpacking in the Canadian Rockies, I'd make sure to get a sleeping pad with an ASTM R-value of at least 3 to stay warm! Rae Lake is a great first random camping trip! I'd check out the Cline River area and further south on Highway 40 (Carnarvon Lake and the Forestry Trunk road area).
@johnnyroaming3 жыл бұрын
Thank You Justin for the location recommendations and advise on the sleeping pad. Hope I can record the trip and share with you, thanks for inspiring me to get out there. Keep up the great content and stay safe out there. 🤙🏾🇨🇦
@jbradley5584 жыл бұрын
Really great review! Wanted to ask though if you can add a comment about packed size for these? You showed it briefly on the video, but can you comment on packed dimensions? Thanks!
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
The xlite packs up the smallest, followed by the tensor, then the ether light XT!
@thomasharcarik57833 жыл бұрын
Great review! Objective and informative. Any thoughts on why my hips and shoulders were cold while sleeping on my Tensor in temps just above freezing? I deflate the pad a bit for comfort but never bottom out?
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
My guess would be either you deflated the pad too much or the ground was frozen/wet/cold. With 3 inch pad like the tensor, if your shoulder and hips sink 1-2 inches into the pad, you're significantly decreasing the warmth of the pad at that location. A fully inflated pad maximizes the r-value. If it is spring conditions, a lot of the time your sleeping pad will have a harder time keeping you warm compared to late summer/fall, even at the same air temperature. Frozen ground is an obvious one, but wet ground will also sap heat a lot more as well!
@jorisvanlaar4 жыл бұрын
Another great video, thank you! Somehow stomach sleeping never gets considered in all the pad reviews, which is a shame as I am curious which pad works the best for that.
@JustinOutdoors4 жыл бұрын
I have never been able to comparably sleep on my stomach on any sleeping pad unfortunately :(. Also, stomach sleeping is bad for your back! haha
@larchlarch98514 жыл бұрын
mad props to you justin. respect !
@milo84253 жыл бұрын
Sustainability is often just a tax on progress, which is the actual best route for sustainability. Making people poor by charging them extra for everything, or forcing R&D and production costs into solutions that still aren't good enough in the big picture instead of better products, is just stalling out the clutch as we try to move into a higher gear of environmental interaction. But, while I roll my eyes at that particular granola, I do want to compliment you and point out what a gem your channel has been when it comes to finding quality products.
@ericjudd96032 жыл бұрын
Im a big fan of the big agnes insulated core pads
@GIRLplusDOGAdventures3 жыл бұрын
I love my Exped sleeping pads but I don't see a lot of reviews or comparisons out there for them. Everyone always talking about the 3 in the video today. Very curious as to why Exped is never really included in the mix for sleeping pads? As FYI, I have both a SynMat and DownMat.
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
I have found Exped has always been a little more difficult to get in North America. I actually recently picked up a downmat and will be reviewing it next fall on its own and as part of a comparison video like this!
@GIRLplusDOGAdventures3 жыл бұрын
@@JustinOutdoors Fantastic! I love the Exped Schnozzle pump too compared to the other pump sacks as you can actually pump the pad up from inside the tent. The other pumps where you need to blow 6-12" away to create the vortex, you almost have to be outside the tent standing up. Plus, you can use it as a dry sack, wash some laundry in it, OR even a shower. The Schnozzle is also able to pump S2S pads, REI pads, etc
@lewisgodwin20123 жыл бұрын
Size options is a feature that is important to me. I only sleep on 25 inch wide pads. My arms don't flop off when I'm on my back and I have plenty of maneuvering room for side-sleeping. But I don't need one that is longer than 72 inches, so that means I require a "Regular Wide" option. That leaves me with one choice among these three: Nemo Tensor.
@JustinOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
The Xlite comes in a regular/wide mummy shaped pad and the Ether Light XT men's comes in a regular/wide square version. The Ether Light XT women's large is also 25in wide and 72in long.
@kaitlineagle58533 жыл бұрын
I am amazed and so happy to see that you talked about sustainability and ethics. As a beginner backpacker in Canada and an environmental sustainability student I can’t tell you how much I love this!!!