Space Oddity! Gerlach Kosmonauta Review

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Certainly a cheaper way to add some astronomical cachet to your collection than buying a Speedmaster! For well under $300USD, this Gerlach is a throwback to the 1970s as well as having an attached feel-good story of Polish space exploration. Be warned! You will have to relearn the process of time telling due to the two handed operation, and the LED display makes it a better watch after dark than in the midday sun. Cheers, Jody

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@artmallory970
@artmallory970 4 жыл бұрын
'I'm afraid I can't let you do that Jody...'
@JK-ww8dn
@JK-ww8dn 3 жыл бұрын
Great comment.
@adrianelsner4936
@adrianelsner4936 4 жыл бұрын
Hi . I am from Poland and I used to have the original Unitra Warel, I'm glad you showed this Gerlach is really cool.
@JustOneMoreWatch
@JustOneMoreWatch 4 жыл бұрын
Helloooooo Adrian! Nice little piece of your history here and a fun watch to boot. Cheers!
@omgoat
@omgoat 4 жыл бұрын
sorry but polish products are trashes, thank god you dont produce cars, tvs, laptops and basically nothing nowadays, instead you are working for west for low money which is as it should be.
@ivermec-tin666
@ivermec-tin666 4 жыл бұрын
@@omgoat Fool. They made the best razor blades on the planet. The Wizamet PolSilver Iridium.
@marekaureliusz2248
@marekaureliusz2248 4 жыл бұрын
Szczęściarz!
@Ciociabroncia
@Ciociabroncia 4 жыл бұрын
@@omgoat rozumiem, że to taki ciężki dowcip spowodowany kwarantanną ;)
@uneasevector3249
@uneasevector3249 4 жыл бұрын
Can't they come up with something besides these neverending Unitra Warel homages? When will some courageous trailblazer finally ape a Swiss diver for a change?
@JustOneMoreWatch
@JustOneMoreWatch 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂👌
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 4 жыл бұрын
Not going to lie, I kind of like this...
@Lukasz_Kwiecien
@Lukasz_Kwiecien 4 жыл бұрын
What a nice surprise! It was lovely to see you reviewing a watch from the company of my country and explaining the history behind it. Thanks for that!
@GawdOfThunder
@GawdOfThunder 4 жыл бұрын
A good friend of mine had a similar looking Pulsar in the mid 70s. I loved it, and I love this one too!
@TaswcmT
@TaswcmT 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful watch - Gets right what most digital watches don't (looking at you, Casio): Big, bold digits and not a ton of "exposition". I wish the screen was a pitch black "slab" when it doesn't display time - the reddish brown with the circle is a bit distracting. But then I'm a big fan of the glass desk in TRON - I can't help myself.
@traviswalker8933
@traviswalker8933 4 жыл бұрын
*coughs in GD350*
@ChrisWolf75
@ChrisWolf75 6 ай бұрын
Casio only problem is too much cheap plastic and not enough stainless steel versions of digital watches. Now I understand the reasoning for price tag, but I would rather pay a few bucks more for real metal versions of watches like the Royale. It's so bad that Casio has created an entire after-market mod scene just dedicated to their plastic watches. Beyond that, I don't mind the rest that you mention. They are "God tier" for a reason.
@valervan
@valervan 4 жыл бұрын
Just a fun information you might find interesting about the name of the brand Gerlach. Gerlach is the highest mountain peak of 2655m in Tatra mountains in Slovakia (there's also polish side of Tatras). Full name is Gerlachovský štít (Gerlach shield) and it's named after Gerlachov township established in 1326 by four brothers: Jan, Mikulas, Peter and Stefan Gerlach.
@krzysztofzegarek1485
@krzysztofzegarek1485 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry dude, nothing in common :-) Gustav Gerlach was a german origin Pole, or a German who decided to be a Pole to be more precise, who started a precision instruments industry in Poland.
@metatechnologist
@metatechnologist 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad that you're covering space watches since that's where I need to go now.
@JustOneMoreWatch
@JustOneMoreWatch 4 жыл бұрын
A couple of weeks on MIR doesn't sound too bad atm...... 😷👍
@enrico3453453
@enrico3453453 4 жыл бұрын
i know watching this will make me want one of these so much more painfully than i already do
@JustOneMoreWatch
@JustOneMoreWatch 4 жыл бұрын
Well, perhaps, perhaps not. They are great to look at, but very awkward to tell the time with! Cheers mate.
@enrico3453453
@enrico3453453 4 жыл бұрын
@@JustOneMoreWatch after watching the review i still want it just as badly if only just for the look of it, thank you!
@arkadiuszkrakowiak8179
@arkadiuszkrakowiak8179 4 жыл бұрын
Great watch. Great piece of history. Great video. Great content. Thank you Jody for keep in us entertain. Greetings from Poland. Home country of Unitra Warel 🇵🇱👍
@gervers
@gervers 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, great looking watch! I’ve just ordered one and I can’t wait for it to arrive! I’ve been looking for a 70s led digital watch for ages and the fact that it’s a space watch and 100m wr I’m so excited 😆
@StuntpilootStef
@StuntpilootStef 4 жыл бұрын
I have been thinking about buying this watch. Your timing is perfect 👌
@williamhill7312
@williamhill7312 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have followed Gerlach for several years, they make some striking mechanical watches
@stevekain4707
@stevekain4707 4 жыл бұрын
7:26 had to wonder if your left hand's index finger couldn't extend just a few more centimeters further going across the backside of the watch then press the button? nice vid as always
@erikbasil2787
@erikbasil2787 4 жыл бұрын
LOL, exactly what I thought, too.
@MyAffordableWatchCollection
@MyAffordableWatchCollection 4 жыл бұрын
I love it! Surprisingly good finishing and materials for a novelty watch.
@darrellbutler6179
@darrellbutler6179 4 жыл бұрын
It's beautiful and takes me right back to my ''Bionic Watch'' that was my pride and joy when I was a nipper. Great vid Jody.
@zaygezunt
@zaygezunt 4 жыл бұрын
When you took the lid off the box and revealed the watch I went 'Mmmmm'. Not bothered about going into space but boy does this watch reek of my childhood and happier, safer days. Me want!!
@gregorymetron
@gregorymetron 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jody for reviewing such interesting watches and for being so consistent and entertaining! 💪💪💪
@Sanctified_EDC_Gear
@Sanctified_EDC_Gear 4 жыл бұрын
"Awsome Intro Jody"...... Da Da ....... 😎🤣😁👍 Sweet little G. Gerlach Watch
@gervers
@gervers 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! I’ve been looking for a red LED 70s watch for almost 10 years and 100m wr I love it!!!
@benburgess9428
@benburgess9428 3 жыл бұрын
Having worn Timex quartz pieces for years day in and day out, having to press a button to read the time has engrained itself into my muscle memory. Especially after dark.
@runningawayvagabond5876
@runningawayvagabond5876 4 жыл бұрын
Love it! Wayyyyy back in the day when I was just a wee little kid (late late 70's?) I was transfixed by a watch from the Sears catalogue that was similiar to this - red led's that lit up when you pushed the button. Got it for xmas that year and was the happiest kid on the block. No idea what brand it was or specific details but I do remember the battery life was just atrocious and it drove my mom nuts putting a new one in it every couple of months. 10 out of 10 would totally wear this Gerlach.
@nicksims2827
@nicksims2827 4 жыл бұрын
Ooh, love it. Makes me miss my Fossil JR7771 from back in the day - a Fossil watch that has appreciated in value!
@discingaround
@discingaround 4 жыл бұрын
LOVE the first LCD homage watches. Ooooof. Crazy styling and just weird enough to drain my pocketbook. You missed out on showing the black PVD version. I don't usually like PVD total coating, but this watch looks insanely good.
@pstamaria
@pstamaria 4 жыл бұрын
Really gorgeous! Thx dude.....worth considering!
@scottlisson7055
@scottlisson7055 4 жыл бұрын
Love it. Space nerd and born in ‘71. Bought the black PVD one. Couldn’t help myself.
@DC-uf6ve
@DC-uf6ve 4 жыл бұрын
I love an old school digital watch. I particularly like the bracelet styling - exactly what I'm looking for with its heavy taper for a 1985 russian Elektronika that I've got languishing on a hideous bracelet at the moment. Great review as ever Jody.
@saintdave1877
@saintdave1877 4 жыл бұрын
I got something very similar to this watch around late 70s early 80s for my Christmas when I was around 10. If I remember correctly the face was the same but the case was more like a Casio A158. It was the same push button see time mode and recessed set button. Loved that watch.
@pawekostecki2406
@pawekostecki2406 4 жыл бұрын
Could be a great watch if you like Daft Punk style outfit :) Proud to see a Polish watch on your channel.
@marekaureliusz2248
@marekaureliusz2248 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. I'm Polish and proudly wear 'kosmonauta'. Thanks for showing it to the world
@badabingbadaboom9251
@badabingbadaboom9251 4 жыл бұрын
That's a handsome looking watch with all the lines, polishes in the right places must be a stunner to look at in person
@stusims6567
@stusims6567 4 жыл бұрын
You need a tripod for those outside shots! Not a watch I would wear, but if it turns your crank...have at it. Great spot as always Jody!!!
@johntonelli5930
@johntonelli5930 4 жыл бұрын
You finally got one!!! So awesome.
@stevenwymor1398
@stevenwymor1398 4 жыл бұрын
Cool. Reminds me of my childhood. My dad had an LED Pulsar when I was a youngster.
@the_9ent
@the_9ent 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve never been a Casio person but I absolutely ❤️ this
@mja1691
@mja1691 4 жыл бұрын
That is the best digi I have seen. End of. That old school red display. Crystal? ... when this shit is over I’m buying 2!
@Blue_3rd
@Blue_3rd 4 жыл бұрын
I really like it. I was a kid in the 70s so this looks great to me 👍 Back then, the fact that you had to push a button to see the time was COOL!
@randynovick7972
@randynovick7972 4 жыл бұрын
I was born in the late 60s and one thing that reissues of LED watches (or LED styles) is that sooo many of them use the more "novel" diffuse LEDs like this one. The most desirable, in my view, are the blade-type LED displays, where the segments are expressed as hair-thin lines of red brightness and not these blocky segments. Alternatively, the dot-segment LEDs are also more desirable. Still, this is great styling. My preference with red LED watches is that they have sapphire or glass, but most have plastic that can gouge pretty easily, so they're not meant for much rugged wear. Great to see this, but it's overpriced in my view and isn't carrying the best LED display to evoke the era properly. Thanks for sharing this.
@szur76
@szur76 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome watch. I love it!!! Something you do not see every day
@_PGleo86
@_PGleo86 4 жыл бұрын
Love the space watches recently! At this point I'm just waiting on the Strela review to complete the trifecta of the lesser space watches ;) very good review as always and an interesting watch!
@unixnerd23
@unixnerd23 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of my Texas Instruments LED, my first watch as a kid.
@calvinmondrago7397
@calvinmondrago7397 4 жыл бұрын
Class! Wish they'd make them a bit smaller though. I love Poland.
@calnative4904
@calnative4904 4 жыл бұрын
Nice review Jody, cool watch for what it is, I also like the Hamilton.
@peterski2286
@peterski2286 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Poland Jody! As always, great rewiew, didn't even new G.Gerlach does watches. In poland brand Gerlach for almost everyone means...cutlery :) which dates back to 1760. BTW because of you and the channel I bought Mako 2 Pepsi :D. Keep it up mate !
@markplayford5836
@markplayford5836 4 жыл бұрын
Oops a child of the 60’s myself but it does look a lot like a watch I would beg my dad to buy me in the 70’s. So when I started work I bought a Solar LED (a lot like this one but with panels for solar) from the AA catalogue on the never never as it was £80! Do I want to go back there? No not really but happy memories, thanks Jody. 😁
@KurisuTravel
@KurisuTravel 4 жыл бұрын
this is such a timely video! Hamilton just re-released the Pulsar... retro 70s, moon, bond hahaha what a mix
@browarchef5328
@browarchef5328 4 жыл бұрын
This Gerlach is fantastic-looks 😍😍😍you are LUCKY to have.I love your watch and this watch loves me.Don't brake our LOVE...and just send me this Tresure
@THE7THT0WN
@THE7THT0WN 4 жыл бұрын
It would be great to hear your opinions on the Casio Wave Ceptor. Such a fantastic, versatile little watch. Works in the sea or with a suit. One watch for every occasion. Keep up the great work J 👍🏻
@harryflashman2001
@harryflashman2001 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Hamilton Pulsar watch James Bond used in 'Live and Let Die'. That, and the fact I'm quarter Polish, makes this watch quite tempting!
@shempdoll
@shempdoll 4 жыл бұрын
We could all use another give away about now to cheer us up. Thanks for the videos.
@adamstepien
@adamstepien 4 жыл бұрын
Great video - thanks Jody
@morgan97475
@morgan97475 4 жыл бұрын
I have been looking at this one for a while now. I may need to add it to my wee collection.
@attorney1972
@attorney1972 4 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite watch channel 👍👌
@JustOneMoreWatch
@JustOneMoreWatch 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate!
@icalexander
@icalexander 4 жыл бұрын
Time to go buy one. Love the vintage aesthetic
@swabby429
@swabby429 4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the off brand LED watch I had as a daily wear/beater watch back in the late 1970s. I regret ditching that watch. I'd buy this Gerlach because of that nostalgia factor.
@jakubzawadzki46
@jakubzawadzki46 4 жыл бұрын
Feel good when I see polish accents on my favorite watch channel. Very intresting time piece. Pozdrawiam Cię Jody 😀
@TheBudoAcademy
@TheBudoAcademy 4 жыл бұрын
Dobre!
@unknowntraveller8633
@unknowntraveller8633 4 жыл бұрын
So remind me of one I owned back in the 70's it was expensive at the time.
@jono8884
@jono8884 4 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly well made for such a novelty watch.
@StrongZeroPowerHour
@StrongZeroPowerHour 4 жыл бұрын
all of these "remakes" don't have the original, super cool LED wires... :(
@nicks8026
@nicks8026 4 жыл бұрын
I like it! My dad wore a Sub as his everyday watch but I distinctly remember him coming home one day (maybe in 1977?) with a very similar Texas Instruments LED watch on wrist. He was super excited until I, a complete wiseass at six or seven, pointed out that it required using both hands to read the time. I think that sort of ruined it for him.
@DavidDatura
@DavidDatura 4 жыл бұрын
I remember when I was a little kid back in the 70s, getting as a birthday/Xmas present (don’t remember which) in the form of a then ‘state of the art’ LED stainless steel wristwatch. It was circular rather than tonneau shaped like this, from some unknown brand (I might still have it somewhere?) maybe using that same period Sanyo module as that of the Polish cosmonaut’s. As I remember it having that same single push and pen-push time set buttons on the right hand side as this. And the same limited time/date/month/seconds functionality too.
@michaeljohnson-li5nn
@michaeljohnson-li5nn 4 жыл бұрын
Jody, I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
@pederlindstrom3132
@pederlindstrom3132 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Jody. That sent som retro vibes down the back I must say. Scifi enthusiast, yes I am.
@Texmotodad
@Texmotodad 4 жыл бұрын
NIce story - thx for showing us this!
@1701spacecadet
@1701spacecadet 4 жыл бұрын
Astronaut: Hey, this Omega is awesome! I can time things, work out speeds, go swimming and know it's been certified in Switzerland to be crazy accurate! What about your watch? Soviet Cosmonaut: It tells time. Astronaut: Cool. What else? Cosmonaut: it tells time. It has date. Astronaut: But how do you work out speed and fuel? Cosmonaut: I have brain. And pencil. Astronaut: visible confusion.
@browarchef5328
@browarchef5328 4 жыл бұрын
Gerlach looks better and cost much less.Everyone have an Omega-not everyone have a Gerlach. If you go swimming-use a diver-like everyone...Gerlach is a Polish brand-not soviet...you talk about the thinks,you dont know...😎
@nunomendes2484
@nunomendes2484 4 жыл бұрын
GERLACH! I have to push the button to see what time it is.
@HVG67
@HVG67 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'll always will have a soft spot for these watches.. I wish you'd review the Bulova Computron as well..
@Gisae
@Gisae 4 жыл бұрын
I've had this watch for a few months. Quality of the finishing is very good and it looks great. Wears a bit bigger than the size would suggest. I eventually sold it because of 2 problems. 1. The display button was very hard to press and eventually stopped working (due to slack of the module in the case). I was fixed by G.Gerlach (€24,- in shipping costs) but eventually stopped working again. 2. The date is programmed wrongly and will show a wrong date after a while. I haven't figure out why/when this happens, but it was really annoying. It is a shame. Otherwise I would have kept it in the collection.
@3rdpig
@3rdpig 4 жыл бұрын
In the 70's my Dad bought both me and my Brother Texas Instruments red Led watches. While they were only black plastic they looked and worked very much like this one. I wore that thing until it died. So Jody, I "get it" too.
@maxdalton1972
@maxdalton1972 4 жыл бұрын
When I was about Ten, My Uncle Willie bought me a Captain Kremmen watch, A cartoon character played by Kenny Everett. This watch reminds me of it so much, I want it. I need it.
@craig2100
@craig2100 4 жыл бұрын
What a dobry watch...good review. I had to throw a bit of polish in there.
@yhong9733
@yhong9733 4 жыл бұрын
Very retro, simple and clean. Space watch, there must be one that tickle your fancy
@ForeverUnknowing
@ForeverUnknowing 4 жыл бұрын
A little odd, but very charming. Kinda like you, Jody! I kinda want one, just to have a really oddball watch in the collection!
@issachunt3418
@issachunt3418 4 жыл бұрын
Ahhh my first ever watch a red digital watch. My mum bought it for my birthday think about 1979 aged 13..We went in a fancy shop in Wigan if that's possible haha
@p.a.4928
@p.a.4928 4 жыл бұрын
Great watch, something between the Omega Led constellation and the Omega Lcd constellation (I have the lcd)... ...a great look from the 70's! Bye.
@CanadianBeachcomber
@CanadianBeachcomber 4 жыл бұрын
I understand the interest in this one. Personally, I’m looking forward to the Hamilton PSR. I remember my uncle’s Pulsar from back in the ‘70s.
@rick3670
@rick3670 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps one can be purchased for $280.00 in the links, but a quick search on eBay showed only one listing with a buy it now price of $359.00 (with free shipping!). Like you, I see the appeal with it’s nostalgia and design, and like you, I get this... though I have no intention of getting one 🤦🏻‍♂️ Great review, Jody! Thanks!
@Mr_Memer.876
@Mr_Memer.876 4 жыл бұрын
I like it. Looks surprisingly chunky at 40mm though, I guess I'm used to wearing retro Casio digis with 34mm cases! 👍🏼
@surfitli
@surfitli 4 жыл бұрын
That is really cool, I completely get it. I would not get beacause if the push to view display. Not a practical watch for telling time. I saw that Hamilton is going to be releasing the Pulsar Digital inspired be the Original from the 1970s. It’s getting an OLED/LCD display so it always show the time, will have a backlight controlled by a pusher . Unfortunately it’s going to be around $700 US.
@futuristicentity2417
@futuristicentity2417 Жыл бұрын
I bought a similar watch from Walmart a couple of them to get a retro vibe. It features the SAME color as this probably adopted from the idea and lasts oonger I am temping to add this one to my collection.
@kellypaws
@kellypaws 4 жыл бұрын
Ian M Banks. I met the man, he was very pleasant and a fantastic author. May God rest his soul.
@BTBHSOHBOY
@BTBHSOHBOY 4 жыл бұрын
I really wish some brand would make an homage to the first Pulsar Time Computers. That gorgeous dot-matrix LED display was so cool.
@RobinhoodarrowsRHA
@RobinhoodarrowsRHA 4 жыл бұрын
OCD overload! That crystal looks to be sitting "scew wiff" in the case. Or is it just optical allusion? The right hand side of the crystal seems to be lower than the left
@alexlamas6324
@alexlamas6324 4 жыл бұрын
Design wise it's a work of art!
@BlindProphet413
@BlindProphet413 4 жыл бұрын
Hoping you might get your hands on Bulova's re-issued Computrons! And Hamilton is re-issuing their Pulsar, but that one is a bit more expensive.
@VOL30001
@VOL30001 4 жыл бұрын
Hello there again. I came across a watch on aliexpress called "agelocer" and really liked a few models over there, the first one is the "Bosch tourbillon" prefferd in rose gold and black dial and the seconed one is the "baikal". Would really appreciate your opinion and a review of this watches, they look a bit pricey but the Bosch tourbillon looks pretty amazing. Would be waiting for your reply about this idea. Thank you.
@MrIrfankhanpathan
@MrIrfankhanpathan 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jody, any recommendations video for AliExpress 10th anniversary sale?
@paulzabit6520
@paulzabit6520 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, Jodi how do you go about ordering one of these ? Their website is written in a foreign language. Thank you:::Paul
@adrianfederici5850
@adrianfederici5850 2 жыл бұрын
Did they change the module on this at some point. In your thumbnail it shows a small red marker at the top of the time shown, I presume it's the day of the week, as I have similar modules fitted to my collection of led watches. All the photos I have seen of this watch have the red marker but the one you have in your hand when filming does not. Just seems to be a bit strange.
@MisterKnightly
@MisterKnightly 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love it. Sadly I have to get the Hamilton first.
@Spazeranger
@Spazeranger Ай бұрын
Was there another version made? Mine tells the day of the week by showing a line at the top, moving towards the right as the week progresses
@thomasflynn5366
@thomasflynn5366 4 жыл бұрын
Only 2 micro adjusts but the links look very short so I would think it would still be easy to fit to any wrist.
@ThufirHawatt
@ThufirHawatt 4 жыл бұрын
My display is slightly different; It has an annoying red bar at the top that can be adjusted from left to right. I don't understand this function and wish I could remove it. Can anybody educate me about this?
@BarnabyNutt
@BarnabyNutt 4 жыл бұрын
I saw that on the pictures. Any idea yet what it does? Does it mark the day of the week (when the movement is fitted in a case with those markings)?
@fclachine
@fclachine 4 жыл бұрын
It even says nierd on the case back 7:49 Awsome 🤣
@pizza.doctor
@pizza.doctor 3 жыл бұрын
why isn't the display placed so that the digits actually lightup in the centre...
@lupo1185
@lupo1185 4 жыл бұрын
for a smilliar style and less price, you might check out 'Adidas Archive M1', available for around 100 bucks - even though this is might sound like a fashion-watch, it isn't: Full SS-case, great design, some nice querks (writing on the backside of the pushers...) and a good module. Uber 70s and even better with a leather-band.
@volcanicash4893
@volcanicash4893 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jody, cool shirt! Where’d you get it?
@fattmatt200
@fattmatt200 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me when Sinclair was selling digital watches that you had to put together yourself. Maybe it would be worth hunting down a vintage pulsar from the same time.
@leo.f.v.andersson
@leo.f.v.andersson 4 жыл бұрын
Great fun to se a review of a Gerlach watch. Do one of the Otago diver to :D
@krzysztofzegarek1485
@krzysztofzegarek1485 4 жыл бұрын
Otago is almost gone Leonard, we have just several pieces left out of the limited stock. One can consider only Heart of Darkness variant, or Black Pearl - we offered those 2 years after the first models, so lasted a bit longer. Still, would be very happy if someone followed Joseph Conrad novels, and could share the idea behind the naming :-)
@leo.f.v.andersson
@leo.f.v.andersson 4 жыл бұрын
@@krzysztofzegarek1485 Time to make a few new variants of the Otago then? ;) Preferably with the steel bezel :) I saw that you have your office in Szczecin, do sell watches on site as well?
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