Is Star Trek Discovery No Longer Canon?

[@andrewgoudy676]

And nothing of value was lost.

[@spadesofpaintstudios1719]

Voyager J

[@Beargeek616]

::flaming lower half of a jackass parade float, rams into the discovery:: The Critic Reference

[@Micah-senkrupe]

The artstyle was not bad, welllllll the Klingons were the problem, I loved the uniforms and the ships.

[@nkohler5601]

I liked Strange New Worlds. But that builds off of Discovery. So we lost all of that.

[@Micah-senkrupe]

@@nkohler5601 only it has been disproven..... It's STILL cannon, which, hey, SNW is cannon, but so is MOST of Disco.

[@BeerontheBrain327]

The final episode of Discovery should have had Riker working in the officers mess, angrily throwing down a towel and declaring "This has got to be the worst holonovel ever"

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

Riker: Ok Barclay. It's all your now!

[@jjc4577]

that's an ending I can get behind.

[@allendean9807]

That would have been amazingly poignant

[@bodiless99]

That would have been EPIC!

[@johnmarx3919]

@@BeerontheBrain327 that's hysterical - I second that!

[@hangontravellers2584]

The look of the klingons is the least of the problems of std.

[@8Biit]

Its the itching and the burning thats the worst part.

[@bobdobalina8910]

Still trying to figure out how Spock, a weak confused woke vulcan, had a sister named REY the BESTEST EVER! Female Centric was another. Klingons might have broke the Top 10.

[@collegeman1988]

When I saw those pictures of what were supposed to be Klingons, I knew I would never watch STD, ever.

[@bobdobalina8910]

@@collegeman1988 Who would ever want a STD?

[@stephenkolostyak4087]

//The look of the klingons is the least of the problems of std.// It being transmissable is pretty bad.

[@tintinismybelgian]

If we didn't watch it, was it ever really a show?

[@Th0ughtf0rce]

Not for me.

[@FalkFlak]

What Show? I never watched it 😊 ;-)

[@TheOmegaXicor]

@@FalkFlak like Pacific Rim: Uprising it is just a fan-fic that has a high enough budget some people have confused it with canon

[@jwb2814]

That some Schrödinger's cat action right there. 😂

[@TheNetwork]

They finally cured that STD

[@ColonelSandersLite]

Eh, not really. By this standard, everything from TOS onwards is non-cannon.

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

- just decanonize this dam series! - NOOOOO! .... - you broke your little ships. See you around cpt. Mickey. - ...the quest for money, but in the end it destroyed him and that farancise. - i guess he just didn't know when to quit

[@TurtleEarl]

The cure would have been to cancel it at Season One! This is cannon fodder!

[@DasaniDragon]

​@@ColonelSandersLiteI disagree. It's a decent standalone show but should not be considered Canon because it changed so much about the already established canon

[@ColonelSandersLite]

@@DasaniDragon TOS changed the already established cannon? Not too sure I see what you mean.

[@Keledorn]

I swear, every time I see the STD Klingons, I can't help but think the designer "tweaked" the design of the Uruk-Hai from Lord of the Rings.

[@borgstod]

Genestealers from Warhammer 40K seemed to be an influence.

[@NitpickingNerd]

he admitted he was "inspired" by Giger's xenomorph design . that's why they had elongated heads and weird dimples all over their bodies

[@TheOmegaXicor]

@@borgstod I mean that makes sense, they do impersonate the native species 🤣

[@davidszeremi1786]

Kinda like how monsters appear in 300 a historical fiction about the Persian invasion of Greece?

[@daveknight8410]

Inspired yeh right 🤢🤮​@NitpickingNerd

[@exilestudios9546]

no, starfleet academy will literally pick up where season 5 left off and lets not forget that strange new worlds is a spinoff of discovery

[@jamiehorne1173]

Lower deck did Crossover with strange new world

[@g-unit7625]

The best Christmas Gift for Trekkies ever.

[@davfree9732]

Now I know what my new years resolution is going to be... Encourage the de-canonisation of PIC, SNW, S31, SFA... and... All of KK's SW content.

[@Azaleus19]

@@davfree9732 I wonder if it would even be possible to salvage Doctor Who. If anything it would be quite the treat to see all the woke psychos have their meltdowns.

[@draco-amercon]

I would say second best the best gift for to be an actual time travel incident were JJ Abrams and Alex kurtzman were abducted by aliens before they could defile Star Trek and fired into the sun for their transgressions. Ho ho in hell kirkman trek.

[@john-lenin]

Discovery is the ONLY Star Trek show for adults rather than 45-year-old losers.

[@kertagin1]

@@john-lenin right go from interesting thought provoking writing and acting that built and maintained a franchise for decades to juvenile shock writing suitable for jackass..... yup its the trek fans that are the losers

[@kazekamiha]

Now; can we get rid of the rest of Secret Hideout's waste?

[@videofox]

Saru was the only character I liked. That being said, I always considered STD to be just one of the alternate realities hinted at in the TNG episode "Parallels" regardless of what the producers claimed. To quote Skeletor in the 1987 MOTU movie, "Everything comes to he who waits...and I have waited SO very long for THIS moment."

[@1jotun136]

My bestie and I feel the same way. Saru was about the only reason I watched.

[@thatHARVguy]

JJ had the sense to have his Trek in an alternate universe. Kurtzman's ego went too far as to overwrite Roddenberry. 🤦‍♂

[@Wowflunky]

saru was definitely a neat alien creation to add to the Star Trek universe... to bad it ended up in STD. They could have went somewhere if it was in voyager, DS9 or Enterprise.

[@skyserf]

@@videofox _Until we meet again!_

[@ahabicher]

"STD"? Puh....

[@RJ420NL]

STD never was canon.

[@Arvyn992]

It never was

[@Pyratemime]

Nothing from Abrams or Kurtzman is canon. It is an alternate license fanfic.

[@dreamworld009]

lol😊

[@davfree9732]

@@Pyratemime The only thing that can be canon is LD... because if LD is classic continuity, then STD isn't. And tbh, the fans identified STD as alt continuity due to how they wrote the show... Kurtzman's countdown comic showing how he approached Trek as a franchise, writers not being able to maintain their own continuity... and so on.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@Pyratemime JJ had the sense to have his Trek in an alternate universe. Kurtzman however kept insisting his was Prime canon. Instead of claiming a stake in Star Trek territory like JJ, Kurtzman's ego went too far as to overwrite Roddenberry. 🤦‍♂

[@GeofftheIronwolf]

Lower Decks, perhaps I was too harsh.

[@HoundMonkey]

Right, I think even the concept of the show was garbage but this is one thing I will give them credit for.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@HoundMonkey exactly this is how you do parody correctly that still honors the source material. This is just as big a jump in quality as Picard S3 was in comparison to S1&2 which were terrible whereas S3 was really good and completely ignored those previous seasons. Picard isn’t a comedy/parody but you get my point.

[@Rabbithole8]

@@ParkerCS2 Picard 3 didn't completely ignore the previous seasons. It was still saddled by them. It certainly was a return to actual Star Trek but it still had issues even beyond its connection to Nu-Trek. That being said it was good. However, if Star Trek were to be handed over to people who actually understand it, my hope is that they decanonize everything that Kurtzman had his fingers in including all the seasons of Picard.

[@ParkerCS2]

@ yeah and as much as people like Rogue one and Andor everything from Disney Star Wars needs to be decanonized as well.

[@jenniferhanses]

@@ParkerCS2 I think Andor and Rogue One could be left alone just fine. They didn't do anything and are prequels. It's all the stuff in a post-VI world that's a problem. Oh, and the Solo movie.

[@HoundMonkey]

Plot twist IT WAS NEVER CANNON!

[@jiminverness]

Nor Canon for that matter...

[@TheVigilante2000]

@@jiminverness No better, it's Canon that it's not Canon!

[@davidszeremi1786]

​@@TheVigilante2000that's actually impossible.

[@paspinall42]

​@@TheVigilante2000 nothing the slightest, it's still entirely canon

[@TheVigilante2000]

@@paspinall42 Exactly. It's canon that STD is not canon. STD is just a confused alt dimension, probably created by the sick prevented desires of failed Starfleet candidates. Happy day!

[@mattcarper9853]

If true, and not hyperbole; this is excellent news.

[@davidszeremi1786]

It's wishful thinking.

[@zshah3107]

Or Wishful Beliefs!

[@davidszeremi1786]

@zshah3107 you can define canon as you will, although CBS has it's own definition that affects other media like STO. I'll be honest, I enjoy Disco but I cringe when there are disco storylines in STO about fungi space

[@oliverewarthopkins7818]

It's not true. Their sources are, as usual, complete crap.

[@Jeff-cn9up]

STD is cancer, not canon. It could never BE canon, just like Abrams' trash, because that would break the REAL Star Trek shows.

[@HoundMonkey]

STD was an alien growth on Kirk's pecker that Dr. McCoy had to cut off after he spent a wild weekend on a new planet.

[@thatHARVguy]

JJ had the sense to have his Trek in an alternate universe. Blowing up Romulas, yeah, that never happened Spielberg from Temu.

[@idjtoal]

@@thatHARVguy 😆🤣🖖

[@davidszeremi1786]

​@@thatHARVguyaccording to CBS and the keepers of cannon. Romulus was destroyed in the official timeline.

[@madambutterfly1997]

Not to mention the K-pop Klingons

[@DocWolph]

The "Blingons"? That is written off as just ethnicity. They dress different. What is the beef with that?

[@saulschimek7680]

I'm sorry, what?

[@MiguelFarah]

@@saulschimek7680 You DO NOT want to know. Trust us.

[@davidszeremi1786]

I loved that

[@withershin]

"I'll slay you, impale you" - I think the K-Pop Klingons are under-rated. The Burn is 100x worse.

[@tywalraven4936]

And now we never, ever have to watch, talk about, listen, or pay attention in any way to what will henceforth be referred to as “that show.”

[@adrianokury]

When I first saw the first movie featuring the new Klingons back in 1815, there was no conflict in my mind. I understood right away that the updated makeup was a physical realization of what TOS couldn't achieve due to budget and time limitations. In the 1960s, they went for a Spanish conquistador look, but they didn't even bother to shape the brows or darken the faces of the regular Klingons-only the bosses got that treatment. And even then, sometimes they didn’t bother covering the actors' original eyebrows. Just look at 2:05!

[@withershin]

Dude Imma going to need a bud of your green. Like there's too much here to be a bot unless bots became Trekkers. Top 3 pizza toppings?

[@BlazingOwnager]

The thing Discovery broke the most was introducing "The Burn." They basically damned the entire universe to a fate that renders anything done in it until that point worthless. That's pretty much unfixable. Also anyone who watched Face/Off back in the day and got judged poorly by Glenn Hetrick can really look back and laugh given he made those Discovery Klingons.

[@ValiantWrestling]

Nah, the whole show was trash from the start, klingorcs, a human who thinks she's a vulcan, a terran empire tyrant being recruited in section 31. It was a dumb show, written by hacks who think they have actual writing talent. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@ValiantWrestling Oh no, I think it did *tons* of terrible things. I horribly dislike what they did to section 31 for example. But The Burn.. that's a dead end for the entire franchise that cannot be ignored, unless the timeline is wiped.

[@Guardian582]

@@ValiantWrestling worse a human who thinks shes a vulcan who goes off emotioanlly at every little hiccup

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@Guardian582 Have you seen the SNW next season teaser? I almost watched that show then I saw them give the crew a shot that changed their hairstyle and immediately gave them decades of cultural biases. It was painful.

[@Guardian582]

@@BlazingOwnager i havent seen any of it thankfully, after STD i stopped watching, i thought it might be better in season 3, watch1 ep and was like nope still crap

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

Have you ever met anyone who considered Discovery canon?? They are just avoiding hassle by 'retroactively' making it non-canon like Trek fans always considered it.

[@Shiirow]

I dont consider Lowered Intelligence canon either.

[@karsten_m]

Yes, the person who banned me for life from /r/startrek over a joke about their favourite show.

[@davidszeremi1786]

That isn't what happened. Urukhai Klingons are now cannon in any reality connected to LD not to mention strange new worlds is directly connected to STD

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

@@davidszeremi1786 I assume SNW isn't canon either... Most Trek fans don't consider it such..... :)

[@davidszeremi1786]

@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV it's been my experience that most Trek fans I know do, including ones who hate disco. Perhaps we have differences let us be stronger together than the sum of our selves 🖖

[@jimbokilo]

Have not watched it since season one. Trek would never allow a war criminal to be its lead and hero.

[@davidszeremi1786]

Actually that's because Lorca was a war criminal.

[@Hurricanelive]

Great Scott! ERASED!🤷‍♂ Let's go get some 10 cent cheeseburgers Marty.

[@jamiehorne1173]

Well I guess they forgot about Strange New World episode 1 Dimensions Discovery and they actually show the clip of the ship going into the future also these people seem to forget about your decks doing a crossover and they mentioned that time travel Adventure in season 4 pilot of lower decks which makes every single person in this comment section who believes that discovers not Canon idiots

[@euterpe55]

No, it has NOT been erased! This is straight from the top. I hated the reimagining of the Klingons as well, but the showrunners who came up with that stupid idea were sacked after season 1 and their successors were left to clean up the mess. But the Klingon redesign is not a very solid idea to discard Discovery wholesale. I happen to be a long time Star Trek fan and loved Discovery for veering away from established tropes - and I could discuss its philosophy forever. (It's very difficult for a society to look in airror and see people they fon't really like ) This argument re Lower Decks and the Disco Klingons was later debunked because so many Discovery haters were touting this argument. If we want more new Star Trek, we will not get it being snarky. Find a new show that you love and let the higher ups know how enthusiastic you are about it. This is not the 1980s and the new shows are not broadcast tv and they will not be designed to resemble "The Next Generation" formats no matter how much any of us want them to. Star Trek has always held up a mirror. The right approach will help us all get a show that reglects not only our better angels, but our highest ideals.

[@achromat666]

Watched a couple episodes from the first season, saw how terrible it was, bailed. My wife and I watched the second one one due to her love of Spock and despite the fact that that whole season only has Pike, Spock and number One as decent characters, it was still shit. My wife, who is a truly devoted fan of this series managed to get through the whole first season of Strange New Worlds, bless her heart, and was disgusted. The sooner it's gone from canon, the better.

[@HoundMonkey]

I forced myself to watch the first season and it was an excruciatingly painful experience.

[@Name-ps9fx]

I like SNW. Most of the episodes were actually pretty good, with good morality/Prime Directive questions, and clever use of the Transporter for the Dr's daughter. And the Gorns! Quite well done for fear and suspense, historical background!

[@aengusmacnaughton1375]

@@Name-ps9fx -- Weren't the Gorns unknown when seen in the TOS episode 'Arena' -- so how can they be in SNW?

[@philipsharp-garcia4448]

I'll never understand self hating Star Trek fans.

[@jeffreyelliott7183]

Get a grip!

[@petriew2018]

funny, completely unsurprising, but funny. The writing on discovery was so terrible, it's world building such nonsense, and it's continuity so broken that it was a complete dead end for the franchise. Kurtzman and his minions cared so little even for their own storylines that the show could not reconcile with itself, much less the wider star trek canon... so yeah, totally not surprising that as soon as Kurtzman was gone so was his mary sue power fantasy Though the funniest thing about this is how little anyone actually cares. Even the usual shill sites who fawned over STD while it was running can't be arsed to feign outrage. It's just gone and nobody bats an eyes Gives you a sliver of of hope for the other franchises.... not much, but a sliver.

[@skyserf]

1:25 I thought Affliction was a good explanation and retcon.

[@projektkobra2247]

Me too!!..

[@markbrittain4625]

They had to get rid of it due to it creating huge plot holes for shows like Voyager, Picard and one of the Trek movies. As in the future its stated at the end of the time wars all time travel was reset so meaning Voyager's ending became null and void and Admiral Janeway wouldn't have travelled back to bring them home and Tuvak would have gone nuts, seven and others die etc. As shown at their reunion, early in the episode so no seven for Picard. No Admiral Janeway for Nemesis or Prodigy.

[@KonEl17]

Wasn't there an Ep in TNG where Worf regressed to a proto Klingon?

[@Arcboltkonrad13]

Yes. We have seen dozens of alternate universe people over the years. Heck, we see a few others in LD in the episode mentioned here and several episodes before hand. Discovery also has an episode where you see an alternate reality/timeline Starfleet officer.

[@Einwetok]

S7 E19 Genesis.

[@ratfinkie62]

Klingons changed in the movies because they”had more money”.

[@theritchie2173]

So basically this episode was a dose of penicillin.

[@NekoBoyOfficial]

5:07 Sounds like what kept Discovery going was Trekkies cope watching.

[@kapa1611]

🤣

[@SovereignStatesman]

Remember, "Star Trek: Enterprise" was just Will Riker's personal modification of the docudrama hologram, so it doesn't HAVE to be canon.

[@Aequitas_RJ]

Merry Christmas, Movie House!! Merry Christmas, Emporium. Merry Christmas, you old building and Loan!!

[@juanelevin1114]

Brilliant!

[@tmoore4075]

It doesn't remove it for the reasons that Mike said. He's being the shit starter that he is. That's all. Plus SNW and Academy are spin-offs of it, so no its not removed from canon. It's ok to just not enjoy a show and let it still exist. Seriously.

[@jamiehorne1173]

Lower deck crossover remember

[@jasonreynolds6643]

It’s OK to not watch a bad show. Then it’s canon status is irrelevant

[@krashlyboo]

Great...now erase it from all human memory

[@Snowhawk1835]

Fanboys at its finest.

[@danteanise3013]

I admit, I only could watch a few episodes of Discovery before I had to stop. I never considered it canon. The show has too many inconsistencies with the Prime Universe to fit (the aforementioned Klingons, TOS phasers shoot beams not bolts, true phasers weren't used until after Kirk was in command of the Enterprise, red uniforms weren't used until after Kirk took command of the Enterprise, only Kirk called his brother Sam, the Enterprise is 289 meters long, etc.). When they couldn't even get the Enterprise right I waked away. Because of this I don't even consider any Discovery spin off canon. I did watch Picard season 1 but it was difficult. After Picard fought to keep the Federation from turning Data clones into slaves he fought to have Data clones built so they could be used as slaves? Right. I tried to watch SNW, but again, they couldn't even get the Enterprise right. To hell with them. I will stick to LD. I haven't seen season 2 of Prodigy yet but if it as good as and as true to canon as 1 I can't wait to see it.

[@Maverick8t88]

STD could’ve been a good sci fi show. It had some interesting ideas. But not as a Star Trek show. They tried to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[@Nagtloper431]

Had they only put the round peg in the square hole…

[@Taladar2003]

Honestly, it was just badly written. The people in that show would have never qualified as crew on a ship in any universe, Star Trek or not.

[@phrymcdunstan]

Or the arch peg, or the cylinder peg...

[@fuzzywzhe]

No, it could never have been a good show. The writers don't know basics about science or physics, they simple don't care or know anything about the previous shows, they just didn't care. It never had a chance to be even slightly good. It was just painfully bad.

[@jeffreyelliott7183]

ITS A GREAT SHOW AND STAR TREK.

[@inblackestnight9256]

STD was always in an alternate timeline. With rights issues alone there has to be at least 20% difference with "real" Trek, because Bad Robot/Secret Hideout doesn't have complete access, only permission to make products under the ST title starting in 2009. Then there's the fact that Kurtzman literally said he was going to use the platform to spread his brand of social justice.

[@bluknight99]

"Is Star Trek Discovery no longer canon?" One can only hope...

[@misterspalk]

This makes me like lower decks.

[@saricubra2867]

Lower Decks is the only TV show with Picard that take place in original Roddenbery continuity.

[@Demobot1]

Discovery is the onky Star Trek series where i can't name the entire senior staff.

[@dramaticwords]

The changes to the Klingons were far from the worst thing about STD. Besides, they never explained why the Klingon heads shrunk between seasons.

[@jeffmcarthur5617]

Has anyone brought up the fact that, by deleting Discovery from the timeline, they are, in effect, also deleting Strange New Worlds from canon?

[@MarvinXOnline]

As much as I would LOVE for this to be the case, Lower Decks did NOT indeed remove them from canon in the finale. Nowhere in that episode was it ever demonstrated that alternate versions of things negated their existence in the "primary" universe. It could very well have been the case that the ST:D version of Klingons simply became MORE PROMINENT in one or more alternate universes by the time of their appearance in the finale.

[@DD8842]

In the lower decks movie we need a moment where Q just tells people to stuck to there own universe

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

*Stick (not "stuck") to *their (not "there") own universe.

[@Destron1001il]

If Discovery is non cannon then Strange New World is not cannon then Lower Decks is not cannon as they are all connected - this is not important as ALL of Kurtzman Trek is Not Cannon

[@kevinkorenke3569]

Pretty much, everything Star Trek starting with the reboot from JJ Abrams abandoned all of the core tenants that made the original series, movies, TNG, DS9 and yes, even Voyager great. They took what was science fiction for grown-ups and reverted it back to car chases in space and stupid characters doing stupid things just to further a stupid plot.

[@JamesYale1977]

@@kevinkorenke3569lol still sniping on voyager...damn you nerds are insufferable. Voyager was the best show on a crazy network destined to fail.

[@kevinkorenke3569]

@ the writing Voyager was problematic. They tried way too hard to go back to adventure of the week type writing, and while there were parts of the series that were outstanding it definitely held it back. If you like, we can talk about the intentional choices not to progress certain characters like Ensign Kim because a writer decided he didn’t like the actor of all things. The show wasn’t bad, but it definitely suffered from an attempt to bring back to episodic style writing. Look at the year of hell mini story. It was a great opportunity to show the long-term effects that Voyager and her crew should have been suffering being that far from support. Instead, at the end of that mini story, they simply hit the reset button and everything was back to normal. It’s OK, people are allowed to have different opinions from you. The important part is how you back it up. You could either call people nerds or you can go into details and have a discussion.

[@philipsharp-garcia4448]

The new Starfleet Academy show is a continuation of Discovery, its set in the 32nd Century. And the new Section 31 movie stars a STD character. So your argument makes no sense. You might as well try to claim Wrath of Khan isn’t canon because of the Chekov continuity issue. It’s a bad argument.

[@kapa1611]

don't ruin christmas ;)

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

No, it implies that all that garbage you've listed isn't canon either.

[@darwinxavier3516]

I would love for this to be true. It probably won't happen and will just be ignored to keep STD canon. Also keep in mind that SNW is canon to LD via the crossover. And SNW is inherently tied to S2 STD. Just like the 2 bad seasons of Picard are still connected to the good one.

[@ParkerCS2]

I guess we should apologize to Lower Decks.

[@meatbagspaai6370]

Personally? I highly recommend Lower Decks, it's a pretty funny parody of Star Trek that still captures a lot of the heart of the series, and is clearly made with a lot of love for the 80's-90's run* *In season 2 onwards. Season 1 is total dogshit and should be skipped.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@meatbagspaai6370 👍👍

[@ignaciotejos-p2o]

@@meatbagspaai6370 The truth is I always liked it and I understand the complaints about putting it in the canon along with almost all modern Star Trek and I always thought that if it was its own thing being a parody similar to Galaxy Quest or Orville it would have been better received. Saying this it had more good things than one would think and yes it made fun of almost everything in the franchise but it felt well-intentioned not to mention that it put the federation as it should be a force of peace and understanding in the galaxy even with its flaws and yes I agree that it improves after the second season especially where they deconstruct Mariner calling her worst defects and animating her best qualities. PS: My favorite episode is the end of the same 2nd season

[@Melkur1981]

I don't really enjoy the humour, but it was alright. Better than STD

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

Lower Decks is the only NuTrek of any value, however it never should've been considered canon but as a companion parody, and is still infested with wokeness. It's really the least offensive to the legacy of ST than any of the other series like STD, SNW, and S31.

[@unformedeight]

Discovery had 3 seasons? Been avoiding new trek so completely forgot that Lower Decks dude can also deflect by saying his own show is in an alternate universe

[@Red_Four]

Discovery had five seasons, each worse than the last.

[@unformedeight]

@Red_Four Oh wow, much like with the MCU I have no idea how much post infinity war stuff there is

[@kapa1611]

ikr, i watched the first couple of episodes and never looked at it again 🤣

[@jdstudios1912]

Can we get the same with star wars?

[@eternalhalloween1]

These are the only STAR TREKs I watch are these. The 3 seasons of original STAR TREK , the animated ST series from the 70s , the 7 seasons of NEXT GENERATION , the 6 original ST films , and the 4 NEXT GENERATION films. Ok. The 1999 film "Galaxy Quest" too.

[@welme23]

Never saw it as canon to begin with.

[@suezcontours6653]

As a black woman i am glad. We need to cut ties with nerds. They're the most toxic group. KPop and KDramas are thriving in Africa and Asian men are hot right now. Nerds are suffering population decline and losing attraction from women every day. I don't want to be in that space

[@OldManGibb]

Discovery was a good show, But it never should have been considered as Canon.

[@murrethmedia]

It was never canon to me. Them basically enslaving the tardigrades for the spore drive saw to that.

[@year111]

So what now are they going to continue from Nemesis?

[@madambutterfly1997]

Truly a Servant's answered prayer

[@Buckdawg]

Unfortunately, it means nothing. If Discovery is no longer "canon" because of Lower Decks, it means Strange New Worlds is no longer "canon" because it crossed over with Discovery, which also means Lower Decks is no longer "canon" because it crossed over with Strange New Worlds... So it essentially "uncanonised" itself, and any idea within it. bit of a paradox lol Not that it even matters, Discovery has always been an alternative timeline. Once you accept that, it becomes much easier to put up with.

[@remconet]

3:52 Your video is based on a false assumption and a misunderstanding on your part, of the Lower Decks episode. The anomaly didn't only change things to alternate realities, also through time (that is of course also how they got all the Legacy characters from different times together). So the Klingon changing to a Discovery Klingon is perfectly possible within the prime universe. Saying Discovery isn't part of cannon is just dumb. You can dislike it all you want, but that doesn't make it not-real. You cannot dislike things out of existence.

[@adamb89]

Frankly lower decks and discovery can eat each other alive and remove each other from the equation. Neither of them are canon as far as I'm concerned. The last greatest Star Trek show was DS9, with Voyager so hot on its heels it'd be a photo-finish if they were racing. Strange New Worlds is a good show, but not great. Picard is entertaining, but is about 90% fanservice and nostalgia, 10% story. Everything else, man..whatever Star Wars caught is contagious.

[@philipmoore4275]

Millions of Klingons were affected by the virus, but mostly it was cosigned to one colony. So it was small minority of Klingons that had their appearance altered. Probably intermarrying over time with Klingons who were not altered, and their descendants regained ridges. The Klingons were only featured in like 6 episodes of the original series. So they weren't encountered that much. The Enterprise episode explained how these no ridge Klingons came to be.

[@lockwoodthexton]

Mikey Spock is not compelling. Stupid crap.

[@abelhernandez2381]

We must never forget what they did to Star Trek.

[@desmondkilroy8181]

Disco’s first season was the worst thing I’ve ever seen. Spock’s human sister. Teleporting space fungus. Giant space water bears. They went to the mirror mirror universe plot line by the third episode. The Harry Mudd Groundhog Day episode. That people didn’t get fired is proof to me that the heads of networks and streaming services don’t actually watch most of the crap they make.

[@kapa1611]

couldn't agree more. the show also felt dingy and the characters were unlikable

[@adamramsey5787]

A lot of the multi-denominational stuff, regardless if it is in comic books or Star Trek, has become lazy Gnostic writing. The one good thing about anything multi-denominational, is when bad writers get ahold of IP's, and start messing things up, everything they wrote can be sent to some distant multiverse no one cares about, and fans can start back where the Canon left off.

[@danielhoffman4741]

No one wanted another prequel series. We wanted one set after DS9

[@DMSProduktions]

Yep! It's 'canon' in its OWN continuity, just not the prime continuity!

[@JeremySeanH]

Canon is a foreign concept to showrunners

[@chrisbaker8533]

The only 'canon' is TOS, TNG, DS9, and voyager. Everything else, is just fanfic with a budget.

[@jonsquare1248]

Agreed.

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

ENT was not against canon so...

[@ChaoticYak1]

I would include Enterprise in that list. Sure, it wasn't the best, but I think they handled their prequel status quite well. Just ignore the stupid series finale.

[@mariuszmiroslaw2290]

@@ChaoticYak1 Actually, it's ENT that puts the canon together. And many TOS episodes are just bad.

[@Stalazon]

This is a good take. Kudos, JSG.

[@MenBeingHappy]

I never watched it. Can’t be considered cannon with no viewership.

[@berndbernd3464]

is lower decks even on the main timeline?

[@aviation300x]

Good riddence to "Star Wrek"

[@smilingbandit4975]

Such a nice Christmas gift. I really appreciate it.

[@KonEl17]

What does this mean to SNW and the Lower Decks crossover??

[@WillSmith-wg4hs]

I think the implications of non canonizing Discovery is a slippery slope. The events of the first and 2nd season are tied to the setup of Strange New Worlds, and if you accept discovery as not being canon than the events of Strange New Worlds would also not be canon.

[@Spotcats]

Anyone that says they like STD is NOT a life long Trek fan. They lied to you.

[@kapa1611]

they like the "franchise" not the show, as long as it has the Star Trek logo, they like it🤣

[@collegeman1988]

At last, Mikey Spock has something to cry about 😢

[@CantankerousDave]

3:22 - that's backwards to how time dilation works in relativity.

[@michaeleaton222]

I would be extremely pleased if all of Kurtzman Trek save season 3 of Picard were removed from canon.

[@solarchos4352]

HAIL DOOMCOCK!! He's been waiting for this moment for years.

[@zshah3107]

Long Live the King!

[@solarchos4352]

@zshah3107 Without respect, we reject.

[@QuietVillain]

Lower decks deserves no hate tbh

[@mikegyro]

Should've fixed star wars too

[@gardnerunderhill3661]

Frankly, the fans put way too much emphasis on this concept of canon. I have always treated the various versions of Trek as separate strains of canon, each unique to its own show. As long as they were self contained and consistent with the framework of that show, I had no problem with it. Now, I may not like the show, but I don’t get bent about if it is “CANON” or not. If it isn’t cancelled before being aired, I will bet dollars to donuts Star Trek fans are going to absolutely hate Section 31.

[@kapa1611]

totally agree

[@kissedbypalefirex]

i tried to watch at least two eps.....my mother is an old school trekkie....watched TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT....she didn't like STD. Nothing of Kurtzman-trek is canon. i despise Kurtzman & I HATED the character of "this is the power of math" Tilly.

[@springheeledjackofthegurdi2117]

I think Lower Decks was trying to save its own reputation so people who were turned off by the Rick and Morty comparisons and writing like a disaffectionate parody, would have to at least say it did one thing right, there's been suspicion that STD isn't cannon as it and all the elements of its derivative shows were considered to be part of a separate brand license like the kelvin films, for example, action figures of the same character have different copyright info across different examples of the same character

[@robertdrash1105]

That theory disregards 2 things. Mariner and Boimler go back in time to Strange New Worlds, which share continuity with Discovery. The other thing is that I refuse to accept that Lower Decks is canon. I actually like the show, but you can't expect me to believe all that wacky nonsense actually shares a continuity with the rest of Trek.

[@JenniferMcMahonhawaii78]

FINALLY, and yes, Christmas Miracles Do Exist!!!

[@Praxics0815]

I always liked Lower Decks. Even when everyone said it isn't Star Trek and how this show is just like all the other poorly animated comedy shows out there: Shit. But I also always said that I see Lower Decks as a parody of Star Trek despite it caring the very name. I completely decoupled that show from the Star Trek I grew up with and fond of which is TNG, DS9 and Voyager. To me it is a silly parody show pocking fun at the tropes, plot holes, some seriously outlandish concepts and technobabble of Star Trek. Because Star Trek at times is actually really silly. Has anyone ever watched one of those "out of context" Star Trek cuts? It is hilarious! I still like the serious content in Star Trek and I can get passionate about the holly trinity of the 90ies. But it is a TV show and not some untouchable holy grail, I can laugh about the ridiculous side of it as well. I never got why people called Lower Decks a show made by people who hate Star Trek. Lower Decks is the only "NuTrek" I actually enjoyed watching despite the parody aspect of it. Like GalaxyQuest: Silly and a comedy but actually still celebrating the people, fans and ideas behind it. And now comes the BUT: Even when the show runner comes out clear as day I will not take anything in Lower Decks as canon. I don't care. To me Lower Decks is not canon. And like I said I actually really like the show. I haven't seen the last season yet because they removed that from freely included to requiring Paramount+ and how do I say that in a friendly manner? - I will rather die in fiery crash while being raped by cactuses into every orifice of my body before I pay for any additional streaming services.

[@theangriestgamer]

I think Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Starfleet Academy should all take place in their own unique timeline. While Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Picard are all in the Prime universe.

[@concernedcitizen6313]

It's unfortunate that ST:SNW is predicated on ST:D, since SNW actually isn't a bad show (although Season 2 wasn't as good as Season 1). De-canonizing ST:D would, by necessity, mean either de-canonizing SNW or working really hard to work around the connections between the two (namely, the "time crystal" (barf) and Pike's foreknowledge of his crippling injury 10 years down the line).

[@jacksondavies5515]

So what about strange new worlds

[@barriolimbas]

The perfect gift, for the Trek fan who has everything. Merry Christmas🎄

[@trainsplanesmore]

"Star Trek" ended when Gene Roddenberry stopped being involved with the TV shows and movies. Same with "Star Wars" ending as soon as George Lucas stopped being involved.

[@Hjered_of_Reno]

And didn’t the Cerritos’ doc say that klingon ships didn’t really change? It was when they noticed the klingon flagship wasn’t changing.

[@fearisthemind-killer]

The thing I don't understand is how does no one like this show but it lasted 5 seasons? They cut Enterprise after 4 seasons and the last two seasons were arguably pretty good (sans the finale). I've only watched the first episode and that was enough for me.

[@cobaltraven3194]

Oh this would be very nice thank you for the video as always this is good news

[@MatthewBluefox]

And you know what? I don't give a dead moose's last shat! I watched two seasons of Disco and had to stop, it was eye cancer! I gave it a chance, but it wasn't Worf it. For the love of Spock, keep Disco away from canon! The true Star Trek ended for me with the last episode of ENT (which was a TNG episode). I'm waiting for a proper continuation of the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline with a new TV show that shows what happened to Seven, Chakotay, B'Elanna, Tom, Harry, and all the others. Janeway's near future was revealed in NEM, but what about the others?

[@swiggydiggy]

2:35 - and four nostrils. and no ears.