139 Year Old Victorian Era Mystery Crochet Pattern + Community Mystery Pattern

[@nell6913]

A word about center pull vs. outer pull of a yarn skein. It is about the direction of the twist. I am sure we have all experienced when sewing-by-hand that sometimes the thread kinks, and twists, and knots for seemingly no reason. It is because the wrong end of the thread was used when threading, and the twist of the thread was compounding, not lessening. It is the same with yarn. If a yarn asks for outer pull, it is because of the direction of its twist. It will lay flatter if the recommended pull is followed. (In thread the easiest way to remember - closest to the spool is closest to the tool) Really enjoy these mysteries. Thank you for making them!

[@justvintagecrochet]

Oh! thank you so much, I never knew that, I really appreciate the tip and info

[@piratedn1nj4]

I'm wondering, would this also depend on handedness? ie, would a left handed person be okay using a center pull on yarn marked outerpull?

[@nell6913]

@@piratedn1nj4-- I don't know, I never considered it. Logic says that it would be the opposite, but you would have to verify it is suppose.

[@Lizthinksaloud]

​@@nell6913I crochet lefthanded and the twist of the yarn or wool tends to loosen. I don't get much clogging but I do get what people call splitting but it's just untwisting.

[@miketa87]

Thank you for this info on thread! I never knew this and sometimes my thread is just terrible…can’t wait to do some handwork to try this!

[@bejeweledwalrus]

I actually know why this pattern was so difficult- you were missing the description for the raised stitch! I found this book on the internet archive, and right underneath the border description is "description of star or fan stitch" which is the raised section. "turn the 3rd corner" refers to how you work the shawl only on 3 sides of the starting square- then you physically turn the work and start stitching back in the other direction. I'm working through this pattern right now and so far it's confusing but infinitely more doable with the special stitch section included.

[@scarletohhaha6938]

I don't know, I see what you're saying but the illustration kind of suggests it IS a folded shawl just as she made it.

[@bejeweledwalrus]

@@scarletohhaha6938 after fiddling with it some more, I agree. I think it’s meant to be folded over.

[@donnamarieewing7916]

Kinda hard to do when pages keep being turned over😮

[@debbienewton909]

Well, I made it to round 7 of the community mystery pattern, which makes no sense whatsoever! You are a genius at figuring these out!! My working of first 6 rows is curling like a flower, lol! I will email pic. I look forward to seeing what everyone else does!! Thank you for sharing the opportunity with us! ❤️

[@maryanncsech6964]

Victorian patterns were very vague because they assumed everyone knew how to make the stitches. My mother, ( born in 1918!) could never read a pattern but could look at a picture and recreate it! Looking at it I wonder if it was some sort of shell or Roll stitch that's causing the ripple. The Roll Stitch is an almost forgotten crochet stitch that involves rolling thread around the crochet hook and pulling the stitch through. If you've ever seen a celluloid crochet hook with a fat, rounder bottom than a thin stick, that's what you would use. It made it easier to pull the thread through. It was also very time consuming, very pretty but you needed patience. It was popular on babies caps and clothes. Unfortunately, I no longer have my vintage pattern that contain directions for it. It was basically wrapping thread around the crochet hook loosely enough to pull the last stitch through all the threads and you would get a little fat roll of threads, ( think like a tiny little caterpillar made of wrapped threads) if anyone knows embroidery, you do a similar stich in needlework to get a fat little stitch that curls. As for yarn, it could be anything from a thin wool to a Shetland yarn. Needle sizes were not that important. You would use whatever you had. If my mother would break her crochet hook as a girl , my grandfather would just whittle her a new one in a similar size. Good luck. I just looked up the Roll Stitch and it's being revived under the name bullion stitch.

[@susankukacarter3107]

Your description of the rolled stitches is very much like the bullion stitch from the Titanic era shawl from last year.

[@donnamarieewing7916]

Like a boullion??? May not have that spelled right...lol.. not beef or chicken, but like embroidery rose???

[@maryanncsech6964]

@@donnamarieewing7916 Yes, like the embroidery rose except on a crochet hook and not a needle. I've actually seen someone tape a smaller second crochet hook, a little lower down, onto the needle that the loops go on, to make the loops wide enough to pass the working yarn through all the loops.🙂

[@conniepankratz9857]

I simply enjoy watching you figure out these patterns! You’re absolute amazing! I watch the fill dress you made, and your hubby stopped and got you a Barbie! You’re so lucky, if Lowe’s or home dept or Ace or a bar doesn’t have them, I’m out of luck! Hahaha, thank you again, and keep up the good work. And nooo way will I even attempt to make this shawl. Beautiful but way too confusing for my simple mind! Blessings!

[@laurelcausey]

I’m so excited to try the community pattern. I learned to crochet just a few weeks ago because one of your mystery pattern videos was recommended to me. I learned by watching you. And I love it! It helps my ADHD brain focus so much better. Thank you so much for all the work you put into these videos. You’ve probably made many other converts!

[@MaureenKile-wg7gx]

I just love all your work. You have changed my outlook for crocheting. Watching you has given me confidence to try bigger projects! I just love your channel. Thank you so much🤗

[@justvintagecrochet]

Wonderful!

[@lyndaperky4687]

I appreciate that you grab the picture when you get stumped!

[@kimwallace5729]

First off If you check out page 157 of Fancy work recreations you will find the start of the crochet section. The first two pages have the descriptions for the stitches used. I happen to have the mystery pattern in my stash. I want to thank you for tthe Mystery pattern, I quite enjoy them. . I have been inspired and have just started a 1849 pattern. Thank you.

[@donnamarieewing7916]

Wow

[@Pammy_Yolo]

What a beautiful Shawl! 😍

[@kd1841]

Don’t apologize for having to reference the name and picture. You are most likely crocheting from one of the top ten worst written crochet patterns ever! I myself would have quit after the first sentence. 😂. I am a visual learner. I was able to make simple ripple afghans from written patterns as a teen, after my grandmas showed me the basic stitches. I quit around 1992 until 2007 or so when I caught a tutorial on KZbin for making some flowers to embellish a dress I was sewing my daughter. I then paused again just to being busy and started making hats last fall. I’m loving creating again and enjoy your videos and your courage to even attempt mystery crochet! ❤from Texas

[@donnamarieewing7916]

I imagine this was so gorgeous back in the day...

[@judyeng9822]

You have more patience than me! Great job! Wish could have seen it full size! Thank you!!😊

[@chriscavy]

What pretty wool yarn! I'm excited for the community pattern, thanks for doing this

[@trinaquilts]

I will give the mystery pattern a try! I have a few projects on the go right now, but I am thrilled to try this vintage pattern. Thanks for the challenge!

[@deannamcelmon2356]

When i first learned crochet i attempted to follow a pattern. Seems i selected a vintage pattern!! I had NO idea that these patterns were written like this, i thought i had just bitten of more than i should have. NOPE i was just attempting to follow vintage pattern which apparently even seasoned pros have issues with! I picked up a modern pattern and its been much smoother sailing for me! Love these videos! I find them very relaxing.

[@Summerrainfalling]

Oh my god! You sure picked a great mystery pattern for us this time. What in the world!!!!! Would that "5x worked treble" be a quad treble? 🤣 The way I immediately pulled out yarn to start trying this pattern 😅

[@GamyH]

Hello dear, I own a 1910s box with a few balls of AA Ice wool, and at least then, it was a 2 ply gossamer weight yarn very similar to some weaving yarn I've seen.

[@justvintagecrochet]

Oh wow!

[@laurap4130]

It is meant as recreation or passtime. You do beautiful work!

[@roserenik6375]

Very interesting pattern today. Love the shawl, hate the instructions. You did awsome.

[@kle4nz4]

It's a beautiful design, and I love your nails 💅, I am excited for the future releases you still have to come! Thank you for the stitch definitions 😮

[@justvintagecrochet]

Thank you so much!

[@barbarabrown7046]

Thank you for letting us know about this. It is certainly is a game changer. I love the edge it creates.

[@saririgby6201]

I am new to your channel. I just love watching you crochet. It just looks so fun. You are such a delight to watch. I haven't seen any new videos. Are you done??

[@LaurieMcKee-pc7pc]

What do you think? I’m thinking the row after you made the 8-chains does not have any 8-chains because you are work a 3-chain “under” the previous row 8-chains to make the “raised”. That’s the concept I have, but i have not as yet settled on the details of how to work successive rows to make increases!

[@katherinegolightly271]

I'm doing the community challenge, it's just taking me longer than I expected. I have had a theory on what it is since early on and I'm looking forward to finding out. Thanks so much for challenging us. I hope to finish it today, but if not, tomorrow for sure.

[@debbienewton909]

I will try that community mystery until I get frustrated, and with the way these old patterns are written that will probably be about 5 minutes. I enjoy watching you figure them out, but I usually can't follow. I didnt even get to round 2 this time. But I'm a sucker for a good mystery! Love 'em!!

I‘m frustraded at the beginning on the 3 row. I come from germany. It is hard for me to read the pattern 😮

[@melindaschluter1669]

I love your channel! ❤❤❤

[@yvonneknits]

Thank you for the fun challenge! So far it’s great fun to try to decipher :)

[@kittymccatcat953]

Just finished and sent in my community challenge. Can't wait to see what everyone else came up with. Mine was going well until the border section. Suddenly the instructions were a bit vague. 🤷

[@krisrandall7075]

I didn’t start until yesterday. Just hit the border like a brick wall! Not sure if I am gonna continue or wait until she posts the video since I am too late for that anyway.

[@erikagholston6610]

I will try the community pattern this weekend.

[@AdrianCalvo-h3e]

I think you should be going back and forth from 1st corner to 3rd corner after completing rounds thus getting a triangle for the shawl

[@Teerae11]

That was confusing and hard to figure out Thank You for the video!! Gonna try the project you have for us Thanks!!

[@Jendarhan64]

I haven't finished watching, but I noticed that the pattern had an increase indicated in rows 2 - 5, at the corners. I guess I'll wait and see what happens! 😁 The picture of the shawl was beautiful! I see now, the "increases" were happening. I love shawls, that is one that I would wear for sure. I get SO excited when you put out a new video! I can't wait for the next one! Thank you for the time and energy you put into your videos, you truly are one of my top 3 favorite KZbinrs, and my favorite crochet channel. ❤

[@thelibraryismyhappyplace1618]

Just a few minutes into the video, but I think you're meant to have eight loops, two in each of the four chains - one loop before the * , 2&3 described after the *, then repeat twice, so 4&5 and 6&7, and then complete 8 by making the last dc where you made the first loop

[@thelibraryismyhappyplace1618]

To add to my earlier comment (now at 21mins in) - you've missed out the 3chain after the 7th loop and before the dc. That would be the 8th loop. The 3chain is part of the repeat

[@pamelaayash9352]

I'm watching this video 7 months after it originally aired. The pattern was giving you fits. I wonder if your son comes out to ask what's wrong, or if he has the mischievous smile knowing the pattern was really challenging.

[@arlaschmaltz4520]

Curious to know if you would make the printed pattern available? I also have some vintage patterns from 1918 -1930's. If you're interested.

[@debbienewton909]

Oh yay! A mystery on my birthday!!

[@justvintagecrochet]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

[@debbienewton909]

​@@justvintagecrochetThank you! It's been a great day!!

[@beckstheimpatient4135]

Having watched all your previous mystery crochet episodes, I agree that this particular book is the problem. You've had much better results with patterns from other books. I think this one author, may they rest in peace, was just TERRIBLE at writing/editing instructions.

[@Eastybeastyy]

Curious question - does anyone have a master list for what each mystery crochet episode makes? I'd love to try some of the mystery patterns particularly the blanket squares and doilies, but, of course, finding which episodes are which is a ....mystery 🤣

[@vickymontreuil3745]

Good morning

[@bonnieperkins1419]

I love watching the progression but can't figure out why they make a square instead of a triangle

[@cathydanard5924]

Maybe first round was meant work in the 4 stiches twice, each side of chaih?

[@littleblackcar]

I think it's "fancy work recreAtions", as in "for recreational purposes". Convincing women that doilies are fun!

[@Chloe-y8g]

Hi there I’m just wondering but is the mystery patterns a pattern tutorial? My mom loves crocheting and I love vintage so I want to send her tutorials

[@Rajakjel]

The thing that drove me crazy was in the sixth row, it said the second 8-chain should go into the next "corner chain". Not 3-chain! Which would have skipped about five 3-chain loops, I tried it, it looked so wrong. I think you did yourself a favor in not reading that instruction as it was written, Corinna!

[@daphnepride1534]

@55.43 It looks like a square folded to make a shawl. Seems that's how shawls used to be made.

[@Skirt553]

Every time you went "Then 8 chains, single into the next" where it clearly said "into the corner", I was going "No!" lol

[@MaristelaKleemann-ft9ib]

I Love it.

[@lindakrisologo4871]

Oh, what a hard one, that takes toooo. Long😮. You work so hard trying to get it right.

[@jaynnnewell4722]

Yay community pattern! I missed the last one. Also I’m really curious what it’s like to use a bone hook. I haven’t branched into other hook materials, all mine are metal (I do have wooden knitting needles and I don’t like them, but that’s it). They look like they should break so easily, but clearly they don’t.

[@justvintagecrochet]

it varies, it just depends on the quality of the hook, some are rough like wood and some are as smoothe as quality plastic yet feel warm in the hand

[@LadyValkyri]

My internet went on the blink yesterday as I was watching and you should have heard what came out of my mouth. Never mind. How on earth you get as far as you do with some of these old, old patterns is admirable, Corinna. I was finally able to just finish watching. If I don't get a chance to do the community pattern in time to send it in I will be sad but I'll still try it. Can I ask you a question about the sunflower shawl? How much (dollar range) would seem fair to sell the finished piece for? I'd probably use RHSS, thinking maybe $100-ish. I'm team snail, but am considering making one or two for this coming autumn. (Definitely one for myself, for sure, but out of nicer yarn if I can afford it!) Love and hugs, always!

[@Icequeenrave]

In row 7 the 3 chain is supposed to end up behind the 8 chain of the previous row. So after you make the 3d corner you chain 8 and put the sc in the previous rows corners last sc, then chain 3 and put the sc in the next sc. The chain 3 ends up behind the chain 8 from the previous row. It makes a pattern with loops that stand up a bit from the shawl. But this book would have been greatly improved by someone reading it before it was printed. I've gotten to row 8 so far and it starting to look like a shawl, rather than a lopsided square.

[@donnamarieewing7916]

I think so, too. With smaller hook, I'm using 2, it is definitely a triangle... shawl ❤

[@crowner6108]

Harriaet Nelson wore one like the on The Little House on the Prarrie.

[@meredithwhidden8712]

I Googled ice silk, and the description said it was a viscose or polyester blend, not silk at all??? Then I looked at Amazon for ice silk yarn, and the description read 60% ice silk, 10% real silk and 30% mulberry silk. So I think you could use a very fine, soft acrylic yarn and do well.

[@Pankiza]

Estaba en cambio de casa!!!! No supe del challenge 😭

[@MrsCraftyChris]

I have this book, i have read and reread the same pattern so many times. I can pick up a couple of things that you did, but I still can't totally understand the whole thing.

[@samscatsandcrochet]

I just sent in my attempt at the community pattern. I messed up the stitch count and kept playing yarn chicken. 😅

[@beakimball1792]

Your mistake is you repeat from *to *. Which starts with a sc and l believe ends with a ch 3.

[@Pheronia]

I applaud you for trying so hard with this, but at 45:30 I was screaming you forgot the last 8 chain in that sentence

[@TheMissBeki]

Hi sweets :) Is the mystery pattern a US pattern or a UK pattern. I appreciate the conversion I just don't know which country it originates from. Thanks in advance.

[@justvintagecrochet]

It's a UK pattern and from a different book than the one I worked today :)

[@patriciacrofton4517]

Love this pattern. I’m so glad you don’t edit out your mess ups like the wrong end of the hook. I got a gut laugh out of that one. Thank you. 😂 Also, did you receive the package?

[@Alicia-so3rz]

Thinking this community pattern is a doily , although it’s not laying flat 🤔.

[@devils.advocate2354]

2:09 the most mystery of our mystery patterns… about to Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys this pattern. 😂 somehow I missed this video on release… trying to play catch up. Hope all is well 🧡

[@PhyllisTausch]

I have a question about a different subject: have you or any of your subscribers compared vintage and modern crochet hooks? Are there differences in sizes between the vintage F hook and the modern F hook? If so, how much different do you think it is?, and if not, then why are the vintage hooks always pointed out as vintage?

[@donnamarieewing7916]

Hook seems too large for fancy work as well as for the yarn. Is there a suggested size hook on yarn label?

[@donnamarieewing7916]

Looks like it should become a triangle 🔺️

[@donnamarieewing7916]

It says 3rd corner?

[@millennialscribbles]

I'm just glad someone else struggles with reading patterns and has to keep starting over 😂

[@jackiturner9228]

I don’t see a community mystery pattern? Got it so excited 🎉

[@ReallyJillRogoff]

At the end of the video, around 1:21:00.

[@PeggyReynolds-parey]

How do I find pictures of the community project?

[@justvintagecrochet]

I have a reveal video scheduled for the 16th 🤗

[@saralaerevu8735]

I'm 3 months too late but I'll do it. We'll see what crumpling knot I'll make 😂

[@findingmissinglovedones1597]

what is the name of the book please

[@bethdoughty114]

I could tell it was a shawl as soon as I'd read 'Row 1'.

[@anitapaulsen3282]

Wow, I'm gonna have trouble with the 7th row of the community pattern.😑

[@Summerrainfalling]

I am NOT enjoying it LOL. But I think I'm doing it right so far. The 11th row is similar and I'm already annoyed 😶‍🌫

[@jmolvera8337]

Looks like a spider web 😂

[@donnamarieewing7916]

🫠🫢🤭

[@faithhobson550]

Yesss 🎉🎉🎉

[@Lady_dromeda]

I find it odd that only 2 sides have the fancy patterning instead of all of them. The other historical shawls I’ve seen have been done that way.

[@lenahoeldt9949]

My mystery is all wonkie. Its as if I have too many stitches please help. It went all wrong on row 3

[@CarlaDElisahtd4l]

Loverly

[@dianechicklo7961]

I always break my bone needles. Not purposely.

[@Time4change-bthechange]

Isnt that a Tunisian crochet hook? It is a beautiful hook…

[@KathleenStidham]

❤

[@bethdoughty114]

I don't quite get you here, the pattern clearly says' ROWS' not rounds!

[@novamcclung5382]

I think it should be 3 corners

[@neea8807]

That's exactly what I thought. 3 corner and working in rows once the corners are made sounds like it will make that shall!

[@doninis1354]

Something is not matshing with yarn and hook size,or the row countingIt is way to small, isnt it? I think I like the pattern it creates. I can defenetly get, why this book is not you favorit! I adore yor patients

[@janab.9127]

That's the fun in the mistery patterns - you don't know until the very end what it is all about - if you know it is a shawl, you will get bigger yarn and bigger hook without second guess ...😂🎉

[@Sassygrannyvlogs]

💗

[@xCr00k3Dx]

I wonder if the Victorians were just as confused by these patterns, but we just don't have historic reviews of them?

[@lindacurry2117]

Just

[@RealMelodyBlue]

I was right on!! It was a shawl!

[@annagray6491]

Why are there words blacked out?

[@aestrickj2970]

They take out anything that hint at what she is making

[@barbranyberg2694]

The book is cursed!😂

[@firegodessreiko]

After looking at the pattern and the picture.....are we 100% certain it was meant to have 4 corners???? I was screaming at you through the screen that it sounded like a triangular shawl.....and the picture certainly looks like one.... Literally who wrote this book? I'll bet it was just as infuriating the year it was published as it is now....

[@silvergypsylady]

A single stitch would be a slip stitch in American crochet

[@mariebray9831]

like

[@RealMelodyBlue]

I'm just trying to guess, I don't read comments or fast forward through the video Maybe this is a shawl?

[@elisagriscom6728]

You need 8

[@lauriekurad]

I think it should have been turned, then go on, in a triangle...not square.

[@jmolvera8337]

Sorry but that beginning looks bad, I think you are using the wrong hook.

[@yazdhenab.]

I'm sorry but that shawl is awful xD This pattern seems to be a pain in the *ss and I would have dump it way before xD

[@TheTugboatgirl]

That has to be the most irritating pattern ever written. I would have thrown in the towel at the first round.