MASSIVE Changes To The Prydwen Tier List For Honkai Star Rail 2.2 | Gacha Smack Reacts

prydwen tier list for honkai star rail 2.2 had a massive overhaul and change to the tier list system. Gacha smack reacts.
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[@PrydwenGG]

Uff, was worried we will be eaten alive, but it wasn't that bad this time. Thanks for the feedback and soon the tier list will be updated to fix a few issues!

[@Mid_Potato]

Lol lowkey yall helped me build my teams thanks! Hope yall keep doing Well!

[@GachaSmack07]

You guys are doing a fantastic job! I love when yall have a different perspective than I do it creates better dialogue! Best tier list website out there hands down! 🙏🏽 🤝

[@Ser--]

Gotta swallow the T0 Ruan Mei pill soon anyways. She's gonna cause a new divide when more people wake up about how strong the Harmony MC is and especially for f2p. And an even greater rift with the coming dedicated Break units. I'm also curious why Huohuo is lower rated, I think from most meta perspective she's the best sustainer. The only real flaw is SP at worst. Given your criteria of properly building characters, Huohuo would not have an issue sustaining.

[@magnaortusars3342]

Great improvements to the Tier List! Great to see you guys implementing the feedback.

[@shoryuken88]

the dps tier is very inaccurate, also sushang with hmc should be bumped up significantly with the new break meta. Appreciate your effort though, thanks for making such a beautiful website for the tier list :) Can't wait to see whether firefly will match up to acheron's level when she comes out

[@kingcopium9143]

We not gonna take this Scooby Doo slander😤

[@BuiltSimilarG]

Literally my favorite sustain even having aventurine

[@Qdawwg]

The problem is preservation clears abudance right now. Apart from revive abundance can’t prevent 1 shots and preventing dmg is always better

[@muhammadhilmi1005]

Justice for scooby doo

[@BuiltSimilarG]

@@Qdawwg I agree but buffing to kill the enemy is better than getting one shot :) also I don’t have one shot issues idk if that’s just me

[@Cocxy69]

her sustaining capabilities are just not as good as the other two

[@heyohworld4067]

Aventurine does not need his sig LC for Acheron teams. Trend of the Universal Market works just fine.

[@Sable813]

It's tough though since you need to build ehr and he doesn't care about ehr for the rest of his kit unlike Gepard. Gepard is a much better holder for Trends than Aven especially since Gepard gets hit more than Aventurine due to his aggro trace.

[@zeru5195]

@@Sable813 I have found that without even building EHR it still triggers constantly. hyper accelerates my Acheron in almost every fight. That said it is still a gacha LC, so if you don't have it can't really be considered. That said even without it, I feel Aventurine is still amazing for any team.

[@ScaryYokai]

​@@Sable813You don't need ehr to proc burn against most enemies.

[@heyohworld4067]

@@Sable813 The thing is... Even Aventurine's light cone uses ehr to land the debuff. Aside from burn resistant enemies you won't have any trouble landing it and if you have any superpositions the base hit rate is actually higher than Aventurine's light cone.

[@orion615]

The new break meta just proves why Ruan Mei is the best character in the game.

[@emca1597]

Can't imagine how much dmg Firefly does with Ruan Mei.

[@alexzee4356]

​@@emca1597 i cant imagine how mid FF damage without ruan mei

[@loow03]

​@emca1597 firefly without breaking is a mid bro

[@The_CodFish69]

​@@loow03 gotta love calling the unit that is almost Acheron lvl when run on a mostly 4 star team with a Sustain Mid... Ya better hope they don't buff her or she'll easily surpass Acheron Especially with the Broken E1/2 she has.

[@Hxpnoticghost]

@@alexzee4356is this true? If firefly is bad without ruan mei this game is gonna go down hill with this design lmao

[@jeffrey6172]

Its been so many patches and they still haven't put respect on pela 🤦‍♂

[@CountEggy]

Fr

[@dilucragnvindr130]

I don't know about you but i only use Pela with Acheron but outside in every other team, i find Robin, Ruan Mei, Tingyun, Sparkle, Bronya and SW more effective.

[@Fr00stee]

​@@dilucragnvindr130pela is also good with ratio because then you can use his ult on one elite and use skill on the other in moc and both attacks are buffed

[@dilucragnvindr130]

​@@Fr00steeThat's true but I'd rather use Topaz with Ratio, Robin and Aventurine. The current MoC is also good with Ratio. Topaz has 55% damage boost. Pela Ult with S5 Luka LC defense reduction is 58% which gives damage boost of around 45% but the Ult debuff lasts only for 2 turns which means by the time Ratio kills the enemy, the Pela Ult defense shred is already gone in other bosses because of how fast current bosses are. Silver Wolf defense shred is a single target but Ratio is also a single target so it's fine and it lasts for three turns and you can apply implant and has a little higher defense shred application.

[@Fr00stee]

@@dilucragnvindr130 pela is much easier to get than any of those 5*s

[@voltronthe2937]

Just a suggestion, Prydwen does have semi-in-depth character evaluations in the format of Pros/Cons in their respective pages, it would be incredibly insightful if you cover the small few of those that are worth debating/comparing.

[@foxygotmoxy2307]

Auto Play tier list would actually be really interesting to see!

[@tripxez8478]

Luocha S+

[@jeraldocampo7140]

@@tripxez8478 you mean S++++

[@Kurppalumppu]

@@tripxez8478 Except for the times when he uses a skill point to heal a teammate that's around 65% health and constantly uses his ult during his own turn instantly after getting it, resulting in no stacks gained for his field.

[@lilbean6092]

argenti t0

[@MacBEASTyo23]

In the case of Aventurine working with Acheron w/o his signature LC, you could just run "Trend of the Universal Market." The debuff will still be there counting towards her ult, but it'll be when he gets hit instead of on FUA.

[@Shitnigen7441]

I think trend is better for the acheron team so I think is argument that you need his signature its ass just beacause his signature requiers you to get and get the follow up while with trend you only need to get hit so trend is better for acheron but for other signature or gepard or anything with def

[@saddany3254]

Gepard is significantly better trend user, because not only he has a stronger taunt, but also his kit incentivise him to build some effect hit rate. I'd argue Gepard is the better shielder for acheron, than aventurine. Aventurine's dmg without his signature, without team wide buffer like Robin or Ruan, his dmg is unfortunately utterly negligible, (and his 15cd taken debuff isn't even 100% uptime). If you use trend on him, and build effect hit rate... His non existent dmg become worse. His non meaningful dmg easily got outclassed by gepard taunt, and gepard skill that can generate slash dream on demand. That's why based on my testing, Gepard often times clear one whole cycle faster than my f2p Aventurine. Which justify myself to say, f2p Aventurine is unfortunately a downgrade for Acheron team.

[@pretty.billy.]

@@saddany3254I just got Gerard he hasn’t even been leveled, I may build him now

[@benjaminroe311ify]

@@saddany3254 While this is true. Aventurine is still on awesome support for Acheron with Trend. Calling it useless is baseless.

[@elina1421]

​@@saddany3254 smack said aventurine can't debuff with acheron. that's simply not true. doesn't matter if he's worse than gepard, he can and that's it

[@fgirham]

I think Blade being T2 is fair considering the light cone choices for him. The F2P option for Blade is just bad. He can't use Aeon, his only choice is the Arlan LC (gacha LC) and SAM LC (Can't even have full uptime). That being said, they should really consider signature LC in their tier list. Maybe put a toggle for tier list with signature LC just like the 4* eidolon toggle.

[@Ser--]

It's an f2p lightcone with 50% damage on a 2/3 turn duration, it's not that bad of a situation.

[@gym4379]

Cope lmao

[@lewsee5562]

Acheron is on a worse LC situation (GNSW or signature. Anyone using Fermata on her and think she's T0 with it is coping). At least Blade has a F2P option in MoC shop.

[@ok-sg6df]

@@lewsee5562 shh, they'll find you

[@Nero-hm1gi]

I'm a "light" spender (already 500-600 ish i know is crazy since day 1 tho) and only got 2 limited sig LC which I only did for fav characters (black swan/Topaz) its always more important to pull characters then LC

[@aidilhakimi8425]

The thing is, RM delay enemy breakness recovery is one of the OP thing for me.

[@aymenbx648]

That synergy with hmc is broken for making use of his super break

[@mahimraihan2235]

Don't forget that 10% SPD Nobody speaks about it like they firgit

[@kaztr]

@@mahimraihan2235 that stuff is godsend being able to hit speed breakpoints in a cycle

[@Yumiaia-26]

Outside of super break she's jus a slightly worse robin in power tho

[@mahimraihan2235]

@@Yumiaia-26 She brings comfy sacrificing 5% power increase. A fair enough trade. The SPD bonus and the delay is way too good unless U play Clara

[@kmh4076]

After Boothil and Firefly, Ruan Mei gonna rise again

[@VongolaXTsubaki]

oh for sure

[@pretty.billy.]

Yep especially boothill

[@timmynotjerry]

accidentally pull ruan mei = she becomes the best support in the game with the worst animations

[@kmh4076]

@@timmynotjerry 😭her fields is awesome but her ult animations is barely nothing

[@pretty.billy.]

@@kmh4076 yeah I feel like they made her a lot earlier than they released her , her theme and animations are so basic

[@a.r5235]

Hot take with the addition of harmony mc ruan mei is better than robin for 90% of players

[@marqueyuan4803]

Their synergy is so cracked legit

[@chrissolace]

I don’t know professional numbers or anything, but the MC is rather strong I know at least and does a surprising amount of damage…

[@Requiem20]

Bruh I was seeing hmc doing 600k damage with sam Ruan mei...Wtf

[@saulGOOD95]

common knowledge

[@insertnamehere1398]

.. they do very VERY different things

[@blueblooo669]

Genuinely baffling how Ruan mei isn't on T0. She is the only harmony unit capable of supporting every archetype in the game, especially now with the addition of break effect meta

[@senyormamak3098]

very strong point you made. My favourite part about her is how braindead she is to build. Because of that extra SPD she provides to the ENTIRE TEAM, I can afford to go easier on the builds of my other characters paired too.

[@memesix5440]

Robin literally out dmgs Ruan mei in every comp, including dot. I don’t mean personal dmg either, I mean team buff wise. Go see the calcs. It’s crazy Robin isn’t in t0

[@cuttensleeve]

@@memesix5440lol stop coping RM > niche robin

[@takuyamishima8]

​@@memesix5440 LMAO

[@a.r5235]

@@memesix5440 She really doesnt and with the addition of harmony mc she whoops robins ass

[@Kizan_Uruhi]

Yeah both aventurine and robin have changed the way a lot of the older characters finish their gameplan and also serve as a point of comparison in regards to how much they provide the team. Awesome vid, keep it up!

[@rocketeer101]

There is no way Ruan Mei is not T0.

[@Yumiaia-26]

Then so should atleast robin, an arguably also sparkle, an ( I know everyone disagrees here) bronya too as she's also super strong too, not as strong maybe, bu 1 I'm not so sure, an 2 regardless bu atleast robin an sparkle

[@rocketeer101]

@@Yumiaia-26 Hypercarry teams with Sparkle would want Ruan Mei more than Robin as 2nd harmony unit. When all attackers are strong against enemy weaknesses, Ruan Mei is better (includes FuA teams). For any other situations (only 1 of the weaknesses align), Robin is better for Fua, while both perform the same on DoT. For break teams, Ruan Mei is incontestably better. Ruan Mei is better for no sustain comps since she maims enemies. Make everyone fast enough so that enemies could be broken before they could attack. You also start with a free skill, which consequently comes with free energy, and SP on first turn. Ult comes very fast as well giving head start on allies. Basically, Ruan Mei is more needed for more situations. Edit, as for Bronya. Bronya only has a few teams where she is desired more than the others. She is also very SP hungry so she is inflexible.

[@Yumiaia-26]

@@rocketeer101 1 I doubt tha bu eben if thas the case let's say it is, there's clearly enough there to put robin on equal playing field

[@Yumiaia-26]

@@rocketeer101 also people hab tested the values, an robin is universally stronger, 5% so barely bu still she is, only super break ruan Mei does definitively better in

[@MerGRyz3]

@@Yumiaia-26 Robin is no doubt good. But Ruan Mei is just a tier above her. She is just needed in more teams than her and can be used with in every type of comps. The comparisons were made on a per ult duration basis. If you consider downtimes and uptimes, as well as other scenarios: SP management, timing of ult, enemy delays, etc, the gap widens.

[@IshimurA99]

Honkai star rail keeps changing over time, which shows that mihoyo loves this game very much

[@Rexy2552]

As much as i love huo huo , i think the only reason that she is “less than” the preservation duo is (since they said this is for end game) there are time that bosses and what not do too much damage to heal from and you need the ehp from shield or damage reduction, but thats just me

[@Yumiaia-26]

Honestly jus skill issue type thing, li fu xuan has issues li tha too bu wi aoe, an I gaurantee eventually same will be wi preservation units li aventurine

[@TheLastAirbender3468]

@@Yumiaia-26 no it's not a skill issue , it is an abundance issue , preservation unites are just superior

[@Yumiaia-26]

@@TheLastAirbender3468 it's not a abundance issue it isn a issue, it's a skill issue, please move on, your wrong

[@TheLastAirbender3468]

@@Yumiaia-26 preservation> abundance deal with it

[@Yumiaia-26]

@@TheLastAirbender3468 it's not they hab there own place respect the fact that your factually wrong an jus being rude, an deal wi it an get over it an move on, (oh btw they'll neba be jus better as thas 2 teams there better in, you wanna know who else is better in some teams, thas right healers, for example blade jus wants to take damage so healers jus better, get over the fact tha the lc you 2 are talking abou is so niche in its importance its neba brought up outside a passing mention or tryhards or people wi extreme copium issues

[@ahlemlora1452]

I love how you speak about how new characters have been improving the value of SW, meanwhile hoyo getting ready to end her whole career with Boothill and Firefly, as well as give a better debuffer than her for Acheron's teams in 2.4... This might be the last time SW gets mentionned o7

[@marcuskane1040]

If Hoyo won't make major changes we can bury and forget about MediocreFly right now

[@kacomk24]

I mean the new end game mode is allegedly single target focused, so she will be really good there as well. No one will forget about her

[@soloxd8396]

@@marcuskane1040firefly is good

[@justkubz]

Hey Smack, hope that your better half had a wonderful mother's day - peace and love!

[@Wawawawawa750]

I get Huohuo being up there but why the random side tangent on Aventurine and his LC when the man himself said his LC was mid in the first place☠️ Saying he's bad with acheron without LC (Trends existence being sidelined), as if Huohuo does anything for her either too... could've used anyone else for that comparison but used the worst case non-FuA dps he could've used. Also he's underestimating the break damage the man does (ignoring his own damage since it's definitely middling without LC), it definitely makes a difference, (esp. with break meta coming soon, and he and Gallagher are the biggest winners in that category) In that case, Fu Xuan should be below too because her only utility is 12% crit rate for teams besides keeping them alive. They're easily the most comfy sustains, and they give like only a little bit less utility than HuoHuo, it's a good trade off personally

[@markdaniels2703]

Nah he just mad cause he lost the 50/50 😂

[@crimsondemon6231]

Aventurine is the best sustain in the game, hands down. Huo huo copers crying

[@xtiyan2250]

Thing is with scooby doo if you have skills issues you're going to have a hard time. But with aven and fu xuan you don't need skills just slap them there full auto them then call it a day. That's why they're up there at T0 just pure comfort with utility, really good for beginners and casuals. The thing with abundance is the enemies can one shot you or wombo combo you. You can argue with just build your units defense or hp. But not all casuals and beginners can manage that. With aven and fu you don't need those variables to survive.

[@claudiowiseman8488]

O yeah FX against Sam or aventurine against aventurine.... Pretty hot takes u got there lil pup, tanks are good bu they are rly Bad against enemies that are their counter, healers are weak bu they can keept the team Alive against any boss yeah they can struggle but is way better that when fx and aven are struggling

[@xtiyan2250]

@@claudiowiseman8488 bro I literally full auto adventurine and sam boss with a fu xuan if that is not comfort idk what it is. Can huohuo do that? Of course but you need a lot of tries. On my fu xuan I never even failed a single time. And never got CC'ed from aventurine cuz of fu's cc prevention. i never yet to encounter a MoC that I can't full auto with fu xuan. If you need evidence look it up on my channel I mostly showcase full auto runs. "Lil pup"!

[@xtiyan2250]

@@claudiowiseman8488 bro I literally full auto adventurine and sam boss with a fu xuan if that is not comfort idk what it is. Can huohuo do that? Of course but you need a lot of tries. On my fu xuan I never even failed a single time. And never got CC'ed from aventurine cuz of fu's cc prevention. i never yet to encounter a MoC that I can't full auto with fu xuan. If you need evidence look it up on my channel I mostly showcase full auto runs. "Lil pup"!

[@xtiyan2250]

@@claudiowiseman8488 bro I literally full auto adventurine and sam boss with a fu xuan if that is not comfort idk what it is. Can scooby doo do that? Of course but you need a lot of tries. On my fu xuan I never even failed a single time. And never got CC from aventurine cuz of fu xuan's cc prevention. i never yet to encounter a MoC that I can't full auto with fu xuan. If you need evidence look it up on my channel I mostly showcase full auto runs. "Lil pup"!

[@xtiyan2250]

@@claudiowiseman8488 bro I literally Ful auto adventurine and sam boss with a fu xuan if that is not comfort idk what it is. Can scooby doo do that? Of course but you need a lot of tries. On my fu xuan I never even failed a single time. And never got CC from aventurine cuz of fu xuan's cc prevention. i never yet to encounter a moc12 that I can't full auto with fu xuan. If you need evidence look it up on my channel I mostly showcase full auto runs. "Lil pup"!

[@-Exen-]

i HIGHLY appreciate these changes, I'm hoping they add some sort of rankings based on team compositions as well

[@dvornikovalexei]

You said Aven without sig or Trend is trash on Acheron team, which is correct. But you said HuoHuo is equally good on every team because of her battery. What exactly is she battery ing to Acheron? She doesn't even have a Energy pool. Though Luocha does deserve the Apex tiers. He's the best sp generator in the game and fantastic at his healing job Edit - Serval skill isn't AOE. She can't pull Argenti-JY numbers in PF

[@marethyux3744]

new smack video, day is made

[@jeraldocampo7140]

9:19 'she sustains just as good "YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK A LITTLE HARDER"'. There we go even you yourself say she needs to WORK HARDER compared to the sustains at T0.

[@elina1421]

but she provides more

[@Borara3]

Those T0 sustains still don’t give more value. There is a reason why CN’s gold child sustain IS HuoHuo. As she will 9/10 be better than those two. Just that she needs some level of skill to play.

[@darkmasage]

@@Borara3 dude fu xuan gives 12% crit rate and aventurine damn prevents from getting ccd

[@crimsondemon6231]

​@@Borara3keep up the COPIUM aventurine is far better

[@kreftl]

​@@darkmasagehe doesn't prevent cc but you're less likely to get cc'd which really isn't a lot after seeing so many showcases. The only thing he's preventing are the dots and debuffs.

[@Ser--]

We can't reglaze Silver Wolf right next to Tingyun given how globally used Tingyun is. Mono Quantum isn't putting up numbers. Super Break Silver Wolf is her best shot at reclaiming fame and I don't see it becoming a popular or prevalent enough comp. SuperBreak is incredibly powerful, but I think everyone is just going to focus their Superbreak teams with the actual dedicated Break characters and not Silver Wolf.

[@austinadvincula4410]

Silverwolf does more in superbreak than the rest of the superbreakers due to def shred and her personal dmg/break being so high. I'd go as far to say that she's a better superbreaker character than xueyi just based off that shred alone.

[@Ser--]

@@austinadvincula4410 I hold the need for e1 too much against Silver Wolf. It was an issue beforehand but with Super Break, that is an enormous powerspike. If e0 SW goes on to be prevalent then that's fine.

[@Wawawawawa750]

​@@austinadvincula4410yeah Ruan Mei, HMC + Ruan Mei was a blast of a team comp to run on the dinosaurs. But i think her value will be going down as support considering that dpses are just getting implants now (BH), even if they can run SW for the res down, that slot couldve been another harmony (Like how BH uses Bronya and Ruan mei alongside HMC)

[@takuyamishima8]

The reason why mono quantum aint putting numbers is because of seele. She so powercrept that she makes mono quantum look bad fk

[@vinamr3945]

​@@takuyamishima8 simple solution, use qingque and gamble till you win

[@korinokirin4511]

I think you're sleeping on a well built Clara, especially in the Topaz/Aventurine/Robin team (as good as ratio in that team or potentially better).

[@guyers6247]

Another spot on review on this list brother. Nice work! I like the zoom in as well got a laugh out of me.

[@ForgottenShinobi11]

I dont remember who tf i heard saying Silverwolf is the Kazuha of HSR if i ever remember who tf it was im gona hunt him down, ive never been using her in months, by far my biggest regret pull so far.

[@gwterror]

If you like Susheng with Robin, you'll love her with Robin and the new MC.

[@Oswanov]

Really curious to hear ur thoughts and theorycrafting regarding HMC, lookin forward to that!

[@NovaOrNeo]

Im so happy about the harmony mc!

[@ittobeingamood]

I mostly agree with your take, but your take on Aventurine with Acheron, you lost me, my man. His Signature is good, but that's not his main lightcone with Acheron, it's the Trend of the universal Market which is a 4 star weapon. I would argue that Aventurine and HuoHuo should be at T0, while Fu Xuan being a best fit comfort character is T0.5 level.

[@opbro751]

free 2 poor ranting started

[@Sakurastun]

Adventurine still applies the debuff in his ult pretty solid for Acheron if your running silver wolf and pela, also playing dmg adventurine is not optimal you only want him for Shields

[@shwedoo-6035]

Dude, your reactions are the most hilarious and genuine thing ever. Always makes my day. Thank you. ^-^

[@joshuaco2522]

For Huohuo she is good but in terms of pure sustain you can't compare it to Aventurine or Fu Xuan. Huohuo is definitely not as comfortable as them just that Huohuo has support function which is a little better than Fu Xuan and Aventurine.

[@Cocxy69]

better than fuxuan but not aventurine, he also provides a lot

[@viniciusespindola7238]

He literally said he doesn't synergize with Acheron when he's probably the best solo sustain for her having a debuff on ult while Huo Huo's ult is completely wasted

[@SlL222]

@@viniciusespindola7238in this case can we drop tingyun?

[@starless0021]

​@@viniciusespindola7238Acheron is just an exception bro.

[@Kaelel376]

@@viniciusespindola7238 "completely wasted" is an overstatement considering Acheron can still benefit from 40% Atk buff as well as cutting down other 2 supports' energy rotation, which can get Acheron faster stacks. I get that Aventurine base kit can contribute one stack on ult and potentially more with Trend LC, but let's not completely ignore what Huohuo can contribute too.

[@danusorn8655]

Remember Dendro MC being broken new dendro? Until 1-2 patches later

[@shoryuken88]

gacha gifting us with his wisdom once again, love your content brother keep keeping it a buck :3

[@LikeACrouton]

I got Topaz on first run, built her decent. Got her S1 now in prep for this single target mode. Gotta find a decent set for Ratio now.

[@jmv-uo5793]

I’ve been waiting for this

[@melodia_rysto]

Harmony MC is downright cracked, especially with Ruan Mei. But as of right now we don't have DPSs that fully benefit from Harmony MCs kit. That being said, withone of the common super break teams being Harmony MC, Ruan Mei, Silver Wolf, and Gallagher (a team with 0 traditional DPSs), it just shows how flexible and strong her kit is.

[@hotkoyoto]

Despite the Ruan Mei Glazing, I do think Aventurine deserve to be up there in tier 0. ----- Also, I hope gacha and everyone is having a wonderful day.

[@Yumiaia-26]

Huo huo does too tho, her utility an heals are good enough tha she can easily do the job too

[@ZrishTV]

9:01 I love how passionate you are for stuff you care about

[@0v_x0]

Robin with Asta (DDD), Herta and Himeko on side 1 of current pure fiction with the buff that gives energy is just insane. Such fun synergy I keep going back and replaying it for lulz.

[@raneilpalana3912]

All I can say is, since you’re a full BE Luka enthusiast, you’re gonna love harmony MC

[@felipetomaz1087]

hell yeah! i'm building him while waiting for Boothill although i'm on 50/50

[@markleebatiquin9179]

8:46 Her we go again 😂😂😂😂 the "Nurclear Tier List" Gatcha Smack losing his mind 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@strawberrymilky15]

Smack cooking with this one 🗣🔥

[@kira_tm]

Finally the long awaited video

[@flucksalt8461]

Argenti should be S in PF, he clears all the trash mobs and easily and charge ult every time, he doesnt even need to have the right weakness, just bring another dps for the main boss weakness and Argenti should take care of trash mobs without effort

[@rarecashews]

Hey Smack, quick correction, in Pure Fiction at 30:30 in the video Robin's Concerto timer does not reset when a new wave spawns. Still good though just a quick note. Great video!

[@rarecashews]

@@rayvon17 Buddy you need to lay off the hypocrisy. I just uploaded a new video on my channel showing CLEARLY Robin's concerto not resetting on a new wave. It ticks down to 54 AV then I cleared the wave and it STAYS 54 AV. I understand loving your favorite creator, I love smack too, but everyone makes mistakes. I just dont appreciate you telling me to test real quick in game, when it is obvious you DIDNT do it yourself. I hope you learn to not blindly repeat the stuff you hear on the internet. kzbin.info/www/bejne/opiTpq14Z9SYZrc heres the link in case you cant manage to find it

[@rarecashews]

@@rayvon17 I just uploaded a video on my channel literally SHOWING that Robin's concerto does not reset in a new PF wave. I do not appreciate the hypocrisy of telling me to easily test something when it is evident that you DIDNT yourself. I understand loving your favorite content creator, I also love smack's content, but please do not just spout whatever info you hear on the internet without checking yourself. in the video my Robin concerto ticked down to 53 AV, I then cleared the wave and it stayed at 53 AV.

[@lifelessgamingmy]

I really cant wait for you to enjoy the hmc/ruan mei. Its really insane brother

[@khlebnikov97]

What a W for streaming on both Twitch and KZbin, man. Thank you for this. Watching anything on the Twitch is a pain in the ass. Also, Smack, you definitely should try Break Effect Misha with new Trailblazer, little guy is fucking broken in Hyper Break teams. His ultimate has the biggest Toughness Bar reduction in the whole game, and his damage on broken enemies is absolutely devastating.

[@dudebro7567]

I really like the changes to the rating system it makes the tier list much easier to understand

[@kakarot1429]

Question about the Aventurine value with Acheron. You were saying without his LC his value with Acheron is out the window because he can't apply his debuffs. (10:44) His LC doesn't make you apply debuffs more often or have anything to do with debuffs if I recall, it's Trend of the Universal Market LC that you want on him when using him with Acheron to get debuffs. So was that just a mistake you said or am I missing something?

[@Wawawawawa750]

LC has a vulnerability debuff on FUA. Technically worse than Trends if Aven can apply burns on every enemy turn, but its more consistent, more damage for acheron, himself, and more comfortable for sustain

[@Haze4743]

Signature LC applies debuff with every follow up attack, theres your answer. Trends LC is considerably worse because, unlike Gepard, Aventurine doesnt have increased taunt value and he wont get hit nearly as much.

[@JadedHeart8]

Man I love your hat drip, what hat is that? I need one for myself.

[@BigBry87]

I love my Scooby-Doo, but she does not sustain nearly as well as the other two. You mentioned it being a skill issue. Shouldn't Aventurine and Fu requiring NO skill justify a half point? Just my opinion.

[@IdeasAreBulletproof]

Ruan Mei should be T0 cuz she's Utterly universal (Even more so then Robin), but I would know you would be Happy Tingyun's Above Bronya. Also If Ruan Mei is not T0 by the Time of Break Meta, that's gonna be crazy (but then again they still are adament of putting Pela in the Position she's at)

[@GatchaGamba]

Fun Fact: Outside of their Ideal teams (Break and FuA), they perform Identically. And in some teams The huge Atk% boost and AAV from Robin is valued over Weakness break and Res Pen. (Think DoT teams) But then again, every team has preferred stats. So from a clear statistical standpoint, They are similar in performance. As such Their pull value 100% depends on what teams you have. But really you should just get both (5* Harmonies are no joke).

[@mayo6213]

Ratio is great without sig lc. The herta shop lc is actually amazing on him. Seele doesn’t rock that shit as good as he does.

[@vander1135]

totally backing up hanya for me. i've got her to e6 recently and after a couple of days tinkering with her i finally managed to make her work for me. i ran her in my dot team with huox2, BS, kafka if i need ruan mei on the other side or in my safe team comp with luocha, clara, dhil. she solves sp issues and allow my main dps to run atk boots.

[@JoeyDubsJR]

I've recently leveled Gallagher and I feel like he be a little undervalued. He's way better than most people think. In fact he seems legit great for those with only one premium 5 star tank/healer. He's almost as good as a 5 star (really close) if you have some good speed and energy regen gear with break effect on it!

[@paragonnight437]

I disagree with you on Clara. If you are on same element she absolutely deletes in FUA squad and honestly carried me this cycle. She just gets better and better while Blade has kind of languished personally.

[@Wawawawawa750]

Another day, another robin vs RM debate. They both bring different things but basically Highest Ceiling + Skill: Robin Consistency + Easy to Use: RM FUA teams + High-End DoT teams: Robin Break teams + Low-End DoT teams: Ruan Mei Ruan Mei works with anyone, her biggest boon, but that just means she gets outscaled hard by anyone who goes hard on a niche. She'll still be a staple break team unit, but she is beaten by sparkle on hypercarry. Robin works with anyone too, just not as well (Only 18% damage bonus less, more attack, her own damage, and AA), she necessitates a team be built around her, but when you meet those requirements, she beats Ruan Mei in non-break teams. TL;DR Ruan Mei makes team building easier, giving +10 spd for speed breakpoints for example, Robin does not do that but instead makes high investment incredibly rewarding.

[@rrenpaii]

Ruan Mei seems amazing for break teams, but I feel like you are spot on. Robin is for fua, and Ruan Mei will still be generally amazing, but 2nd choice if they release a limited 5* that does the super break stuff better than harmony mc. And I thats not a question of if, but when because lets be real aint no way they will let harmony mc not get powercrept (unfortunately).

[@Yumiaia-26]

​@@rrenpaiirobin universally too TwT thas literally wha they jus said..

[@BailuGaming]

5:20 0c'ing on autoplay is one of the most fun things i've done on HSR, i would watch a video about that as soon as it droped.

[@TheXtreme615]

I think Harmony MC is the equivalent of Kafka but for Break teams. Enables them to shine just like Kafka enabled DOT

[@trashketchum9782]

10:47 Aventurine is still the only sustain besides Gepard or Gallagher whose base kit can apply debuffs outside of weakness break or DoT. the signature is not included by Prydwen, but he can run S5 Trend of the Universal Market, which is a gacha light cone that has a 100% base chance of inflicting burn when he takes a hit. obviously it’s not as good as his signature, but that doesn’t make other top tier sustains somehow better for Acheron. especially not Scooby Doo, her energy boost would be pointless in an Acheron team.

[@iputcatintostet]

Don't sleep on march bro

[@1-hritayandebnath807]

Clara does 100k plus with just robin as support... in her enhanced follow up... with okay ish crit ratio (76cr to 160cd and 3.1k attack)... when have blade reached 100k with his follow up with bronya and 70 cr and 160 CD? No honestly clara is infinitely better than blade on terms of damage... her damage is on par with some 5 star limited dps... you either don't own clara or just don't have her built... try it and then comment on it... also robin isn't Bis support for clara, it's sparkle that buffs her the best but I just used her with robin with level 7 traces and clara pops off like a nuke... try clara then comment something

[@yourworstnightmare1950]

From various testing robin actually proved better than sparkle on Clara hyper carry. From my various testing the buff synergy was simply far better and I was still able to dish numbers stronger than the runs with sparkle ; and still being able to fuel robin fully. I suppose it depends on who your sustain unit is. But there will be those who underestimate Clara despite her rallying limited char damage despite being a standard

[@Wawawawawa750]

Ig they judge consistency?? which doesnt make sense since Qingque is judged by her best performance despite being even more gamba than Clara... I had built her recently she's hella fun with counter attack (March + Aven) team + robin. Blade has not gotten a support at all since the game started, he's kinda like Xiao in Genshin, who's one of the top dogs now witth the addition of his BiS supports but was just ok to middling before then, so we'll to wait for hp manipulation or Hp buffers in the future. his best team being a sparkle + bronya team speaks volumes on how underwhelming his options are rn

[@quangtoki8377]

@@Wawawawawa750 except robin all 5 stars sup work with him not crazy level like other dps do i agree but he also doesn’t have good 2nd support rn only Pela, Lynx works well with him but i’m scared my team would die because her healing isn’t enough for squishy character

[@mahimraihan2235]

My Clara hits 100k on single target and 180k on skill with mark.Thats with sparkle Her att isn't fully even optimized.Only 3.2k attack. People who say Clara is bad never played her strategically. I was someone who didn't build Clara untill I got my second DPS. With Clara the only problem is the gorilla as it has low spd and doesn't attack much.

[@quangtoki8377]

@@mahimraihan2235 she isn’t bad, people just want simple kit just hit and be done lmao.

[@bananasplit3514]

As someone who finally found the Lc for my e1 Topaz, I can say she's so fine that's ridicolous. Those 3 debuffs on head's enemy from scratch are pumping up my fu-a dmg absurdly. Now i can't wait to pull for the "Erudition Topaz".

[@LichtVoltere]

Lmafoooo when you said the words topaz aged like fine wine, i got a ad from topaz trailer with the please welcome Topaz from the Special debt marshal force 😂

[@Herschier_of_reality]

So glad pulled Ruan mei lo and huo huo

[@wolvesbane1748]

im sorry did bro really try to make an argument that huo huo is better in moc than aventurine? has he lost his mind?

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

currently building my e4 xueyi i think she's damn good with Dante MC and Ruan mei

[@Gr1mTid3]

Just make sure when you check Prydwen to uncheck the option to show all 4 stars as E6 as that changes the list when the 4 stars are on E0, also there is not really tiers anymore it is split in Apex, Meta, Niche and forgotten ones (There is a description for each the apex is low investment high reward, Meta being High investment High reward) which I feel is better

[@cuttensleeve]

the thing about ruan mei being in s+ in PF is that apart from giving the biggest amount of buffs to your team, she’s giving the break efficiency which is to my point of view is even more valuable for herta/himekp setup, moreover you can literally sustain with her action delay without feeling any necessity in a sustain. She just makes herta and himeko deal so much more follow ups that it may turn out to be even more beneficial than robin’s buffs

[@Yumiaia-26]

It won't be TnT, you all hab been really sleeping on robins buffs, also robin isn worse in buffs

[@JohnDoe-si4eg]

@@Yumiaia-26 it’s actually wild. RM and Robin have about the same amount of buffs. People are sleeping on how absurdly high her attack buff can be. Even in the worst case where both Robin and all the dps have 4000attack her attack buff still gives a 1.278 total buff. Greater than the 1.25 respen. Ofc her dmg buff is still worse (and RM total buffs should come out a head in that particular worse case, but the opposite is also true). The damage she deals is flat out better than RM’s even at a low end. With Pela at the latest MoC I had her doing 17k per proc. It can get very relevant very quickly. The reason people cosign Robin to the ipc team is because it’s the less skill/build issue way to play her. When your build/team can leverage what she has she’s flat out better (excluding break ofc). Granted I’d still put mei ahead bc she never has any skill issue, and so is still better for most players. But people really gotta stop sleeping on Robin.

[@Yumiaia-26]

@@JohnDoe-si4eg yea all thas true, id say cause tha tho they deserve to be equal

[@Lumiere192]

Argenti has better aoe than Clara and way better single target, he’s not B tier he should be the same as king yuan, if not blade tier. And he was literally designed right pure fiction, he is T0, Herta is way more reliant on element than him shit is just fucking wrong

[@yennul9236]

fr they did him dirty

[@Lewa500]

Seele has been consistently 0-cycling every MoC since she released. She should be moved up, not down.

[@menma9349]

Misha in hyper break team with Ruan Mei and Harmony MC is actually insane. i saw video about this comp and maan that was crazy, and fun too. and with Welt... well, enemies literally cant move. now it is clear why Mishas signature lightcone increases the break effect. combined with how much toughness damage does his ultimate deal + freeze + delay of action from MC + Ruan Mei ult... (I hope I wrote everything correctly, English is not my native language)

[@Azxahmed]

I don’t agree with the robin/ruan part Robin is hard to play with but like you said with houhou it’s a skill issue Robin buff is still better for every team except break teams

[@Yumiaia-26]

Fr TwT people jus love ruan Mei so much they seem to not wanna accept tha

[@xtyredx1113]

Gyattcha Smack

[@phelan1201]

Ruan Mei also applies an extra debuff for Dr Ratio in case you don't have E1S1 Topaz, it helps

[@mistro504]

10:47 you still got (trend of the universal market) to apply debuff f2p LC and his ultimate count as a debuff

[@Kunoichi4ever4]

I see the argument for all 3 sustains being on the same level, I do not see the argument for Huo Huo being above them. From my perspective , who of these 3 is the best is extremely subjective based not only on your played teams, but also on the level of comfort you need, bosses you are fighting and your build investment. So since unlike Acheron or RM, we do not see a clear front-runner, it is probably coz there is none. The big question tho also - future sustainability, arguably HuoHuo is the easiest to powercreep here(dunno if this is possibly why they ranked her lower), as if they continue to create bosses that have a potential to one-shot you(with the pattern of shield meta incoming), her usability will diminish. So based on how prydwen sees the future evolution of bosses I can see Aventurine going out on top, on the other hand that is SO subjective... nobody REALLY knows if shield meta is incoming or not. As always great video, with many interesting points to start a discussion about.

[@Yumiaia-26]

Rm isn a clear front runner TwT all them can be really strong an robin is a stronger universal support providing equivalent basically everything bu cause how her ult is it's stronger than ruan Mei in any none super break team so any none super break team robins stronger so she's stronger universally

[@Yumiaia-26]

Also fo huo huo thing, aventurine/preservation an fu xuan can be powercrept jus as easily

[@ksenomorfify]

Still weird how they downplay Himeko. I mean on the last MOC cycle on Prydwen site we can see that Himeko outperformed Blaide, Argenti and Clara. Serval was only a bit faster. But they put her below all of them??? You can’t honestly tell me she's on the same level as Misha and Yanqinq lol Also, fire weakness is the most common so far, we even got new boss and elites that perfect for Himeko(fire weaknesses and easy for FUA). We also got Dr.Ratio for free and HMC is pretty good with her. She is really F2P friendly. So yeah, i have no idea how they calculate character's value.

[@Nero-hm1gi]

For clara and argenti there are way more runned on the second half against aventurine and himeko is mainly against first half which is much easier

[@haithammandangan804]

check usage rate

[@iiamshayyy9570]

I’ll say this, before I got my Topaz, she was killing it in my follow up team. Definitely came in handy with enemies who didn’t have imaginary. I’m pretty sure she’ll be nice with boothill too. But only time will tell. Can’t wait for that video. Keep up the good work 💪🏾🙏🏾

[@aidanarmaggeddon]

Topaz with Boothill? Boothill doesn't do FUA no?

[@Sarrr1]

Boothill is break centered and has 0 FUA mechanics, i think u mean jade?

[@iiamshayyy9570]

@@aidanarmaggeddon no, I’m not talking about topaz. She’s for my FUA team. I have my silver wolf built for breaking, I know how he’s built. I follow leaks heavily.

[@Moaddin]

I 5 cycled MoC 12 1. side with a lvl80 gallagher with level 3 traces 0 major traces and a lvl 40 LC, SW with a mid build, HMC and ruan Mei. Super break teams are SOOO fun AND good I love em. The Devs COOKED with HMC

[@slyapproach2751]

Peak callout was Smack exposing Serra (Pokke's mod) for saying Bronya is a Sparkle sidegrade 😆😂 Sparkle's buff lasting until the DPS's next turn makes the biggest difference where as Bronya's buff runs out way too quickly. Not to mention the surplus of skill points at the start of a fight to make Sparkle hypercarry teams shine. Having both is still peak meta though, when Boothill drops, Bronya will be a top notch partner for him 🤠

[@aegisfehtube]

I rly do think aventurine is better than huo huo even without his LC. i give him the topaz one and he gets 32% more def and applies a debuff so he works really well with acheron and was the key to getting me to 3 star moc 12.

[@Sagasaurus]

I feel from the perspective of flexibility and average player, the SP positive units like Luocha and Pela are honestly really amazing. Often, during the later stages of MoC where I don't have enough damage and need to go another round, using Luocha to pack my team rounds with more skill uses, or Pela with Jingliu, it's actually quite good.

[@FJT91]

Hey Smack. Great video. Agree with everything you said. Wanted to point out that your camera is focusing on your microphone and therefore your face is out of focus and a bit blurry. I also checked earlier videos and the issue is also present there

[@digital-underworld]

Huo Huo is the most flexible sustain in game. These people need to see that, Huo Huo provides Heals, Cleanse, Battery and Buffs all in one. My Huo Huo isn't even built for healing. I do not have any outgoing healing on her only HP% pieces and she can still do her job. Arguably my Huo Huo is a tank so I can keep getting energy back to battery the team.

[@aidanarmaggeddon]

Most Flexible not the most comfortable, she can't prevent one-shots and she's SP Neutral which is detrimental to some teams.

[@yourworstnightmare1950]

​@@aidanarmaggeddonYou don't always need to use her skill. So she can be neutral - positive depending if you know how to play your cards right. Her ability of constant cleanse , buffs , and energy buff easily makes her the best abun and one of the best sustains. Some teams will prefer others so comparison can be a bit iffy somtimes ehe

[@Wawawawawa750]

We're in a prevention > cure mindset rn so she's taking a backseat. She def best abundance, but she competing with cracked mfs FX and Aven for best sustain. Especially with break meta coming, Aven and Gallagher are getting huge boosts thanks to their insane toughness bar dmg

[@digital-underworld]

@@aidanarmaggeddon this is why team building is important. The flexibility of a character doesn't mean you can ignore your DPS's build. If you build a Glass Cannon don't be surprised when it breaks.

[@Lewa500]

There's nothing flexible about her. You're either prepared to get slaughtered, cuz her healing is ass, or you bring a better healer.

[@Fr00stee]

I have no clue why clara is in 1.5 with argenti in 3, I've seen some ridiculous argenti one shots in MOC. Also I think it could be problematic that they aren't factoring signature 5* lightcones into these rankings because some characters like blade and acheron take big performance hits without them. This should be a toggleable option at least.

[@Sinb527]

It’s favoritism imo. It’s the same thing with Fu Xuan still being on top ahead of Huo Huo even though I think she’s worse than Huo Huo. Argenti probably just takes too much brain power to use for Prydwen XD

[@Gotski96]

As what you said on scooby doo's sustain being a skill issue I think that probably is a con for her in requiring the player to be at a high level of skill to utilize her kit effectively and the other i think is the element, because quantum and imaginary is just too good and they're break effect is good as well, i mean it effects the enemy's turns.

[@VisionAether]

i wonder if u would pick Robin's or Topaz's Lightcone? Which is better to have in a new account?

[@IlMagicoRed]

Ruan Mei is insane, sure, but I don't think she's better than Sparkle. Sparkle allows many dps to work properly, like DHIL, Jing Yuan, Seele, Blade, QQ, Clara. Imagine playing these characters without her. Some of them simply DON'T WORK without Sparkle. You can replace Ruan Mei with other supports, especially now that we have Robin, and things wouldn't change much, but you can't replace Sparkle with anybody else. With the new super break meta things will definitely change and Ruan Mei will probably become mandatory in those teams. At the end of the day, both of them should be in the T0 tier. Sparkle should be there right now and Ruan Mei should be added once we get more break focused characters.

[@UltimatePollo3495]

How about dot ruin mai May not be bis but she works for every unit I say she only must with sp heavy characters other than that can be replaced. Every untit can use weakness break efficency and duel dps is coming to meta aswell so I think ruin mai is best universal support

[@crimsondemon6231]

Agree, I fond myself using sparkle over Ruan Mei 99% of time, it varies from account to account I guess

[@Yumiaia-26]

​@@UltimatePollo3495robins jus as strong tho TwT I'm willing to say robin an ruan Mei are equal cause how hard robin can be to not accidentally mess up, bu realistically she's slightly stronger habn the same power as ruan Mei jus wi different universal stat buffs, an habn action advance which is jus stronger than action delay as you don loose any damage on it unlike action delay where you loose damage compared to being not broken purely by the nature of break obvi super break changes tha, bu thas 1 team

[@UltimatePollo3495]

@@Yumiaia-26 nah robin relies on ult too much then literally become unusable she is not on same lvl as ruin mai

[@malstrom2x]

Here to contest for Aventurine as a simp. I think he deserves the .0 position and would only bump down Fu Xuan. As a "SUSTAINER" he is more than enough. Scooby Doo not stopping you from getting oneshot. "Value" as far as his role is concerned, he is the better option, his position reflects that. The Effect Resistance, Fat Shields, etc. has made my teams unkillable. Even in the higher levels of Conundrum, I just don't die even if my DPS can't clear it quickly and it takes forever T_T. Healers/Fu Xuan aren't stopping those bugs/argenti from oneshotting you. You can nitpick and say his synnergy might not be the best with everyone, but so what? A small power decrease in exchange for never dying is okay imo. It may be a skill issue with Scooby Doo to die, but w/ Aventurine no skill is required.

[@Wawawawawa750]

idk about bumping down FX, they literally both have the same no brain keep team alive forever levels of comfy. Shielders are > in SU, even gepard being better than either FX and Huohuo there is proof enough, Aventurine merely just made the mode stupid easy (had not lost a single gng conundrum 12 run as long as he is on the team)

[@juniorraya1023]

If one of the team gets focused he will die even with shield lol And it's fun talking about SU when Gepard has been carrying preservation route since 1.0 lmao So Gepard> HuoHuo? Lol

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

Ive been thinking about getting topaz's lightcone for ratio but i should probably just wait for ratios lightcone though.

[@Thatguy-un4yq]

harmony trailblazers 6th eidolon which gives them 2 more bounces on skill isn't out until 2.3 so that holds the back a bit

[@Artellyx]

The comments in here are basically HuoHuo fans vs Aventurine fans. I personally think the ranks when it comes to the sustain charas are correct. HuoHuo is an amazing character but Aventurine has a lot more to offer, especially for new players. As someone who uses both charas in MoC, I do think the ranking is pretty legit.

[@vnot69]

let me showcase some issues with the tier list- 1)not judging characters on their potential 2)5 stars are always biased over 4 stars(pela) 3)majority of players are casual and do not go for 0 cycles 4)not taking in consideration for the break meta in future with boothill ruan and harmony mc 5)the tiers could be made more generalistic 6)some characters should be paired together in the rankings for better understanding for future and returning players

[@austinadvincula4410]

I believe tier list should currently rank current meta as that's as accurate as it can get cause if we rate characters off their potential, it can misacurrately represent a character. Prydwen also stated its not for zero cycles and non sustain teams aren't accounted for it. I do agree with pela

[@VioleGrace-fk4li]

To be fair the break meta isn’t here yet, we’ll see after boot hill and ff

[@Radiant450]

Cannot wait for boothill to be slapped into like A tier because sadly hoyo didn’t give him titties, when he just one shots bosses.

[@expeditor5895]

1) potential will be ranked when they are good, no point pulling on characters now if it wont help u right now imo 2) 5 stars are gonna be better than 4 stars almost always 3) casual players shouldnt look at tier lists or base their opinions off a tier list anyways 4) it will be ranked when boothill comes... 5) ? i am not sure what u mean by that 6) will be too much clutter imo, will have to rank them 2 times cause everyone wont have their pairs

[@Radiant450]

@@expeditor5895 ngl if any player should benefit from a tier list its new players, most old players already have a grasp of what the meta units are and most likely have a pretty strong roster already. New players look at tier lists because they don’t know any better and don’t know who to pull for and who to skip. (Also new shouldn’t necessarily mean an account made yesterday).

[@lanij.k9932]

The gepard pause cracked me up I felt that too like hol up wait a minute here

[@jeoffrey6895]

Would love this autoplay character tierlist