Ranking EVERY Character in Honkai: Star Rail

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Furthermore, understand that it would be virtually impossible to account for every single nuance, edge case or “what if” scenario when rating a character. Also, I’m fully aware that I may have forgotten or overlooked a scenario that would elevate or undermine a character’s position on the tier list, so if you think I forgot something crucial (that more importantly, is practical and not an extreme edge case) feel free to let me know! That being said, here are some guidelines that I follow:
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- Tier list is NOT ordered within tiers.
- Tier list grading is based on a spectrum not a hard cutoff. In other words, a character’s placement on a tier isn’t uniform. For example, one character in tier 2 might be very close to tier 1, whereas another character in tier 2 might be very close to tier 3. Therefore if you go “I can’t believe you put X in the same tier as Y”, please keep that in mind.
- Character placements are subject to fluctuate based on current MoC/Pure Fiction/(In the future) Apoc Shadow cycle and their blessings. This tier list will not factor specific cycles and will be based on general usage. Hyper specific situations are disregarded since that can undeservedly skew the practical usefulness of a character in their favor.
- Eidolons are applied on a case by case basis (5 stars will be graded based on E2 maximum - anything higher will be ignored due to being too expensive).
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[@VarsII]

EDIT: Since I think it's important, this video was recorded on May 4th, right before Robin (and by extension 2.2 came out). I'm aware that break teams are on the rise with Harmony MC. Check back in a week or two when Boothill comes out and then check back again when Firefly/Jade come out. My thoughts will be in this pinned comment~ (Thoughts on Boothill) - Boothill will be in the *Excellent* section. I personally don't find him to have that much pull value since you can ultimately make do without him despite break teams being very strong in the right circumstances, but if you do decide to grab him then he's one of the easiest characters to gear up, needing only break effect and having great f2p friendly teammates (Gallagher + HMC). HOWEVER, hunt light cones supplying break effect or break related buffs are practically nonexistent right now outside of his own, and the gap between his BIS and second BIS is measurable. (Thoughts on Firefly + Hindsight on Acheron) - Firefly will be in the *Top Tier* section, and on second thought I'll also move Acheron to *Top Tier* as well since empirically she's proven to just be that much better than everyone else (I still stand by my thought process that DPS units fundamentally are more replaceable than supports, but it seems like Hoyo is doing everything they can to make Acheron a must have lol). Firefly basically Acheron 2.0, not in the literal sense, but in terms of just how strong she is. Despite being a break oriented unit, Firefly can work for virtually every situation in the game. Like Acheron, Firefly starts out really strong at base with the caveat that you cater to her team, but then gets drastically stronger with Eidolons to the point where she becomes Thanos and destroys everything. These two characters are in a class above everyone else without question, and have by far the highest practical ceilings in the game. The key negative thing about Firefly is that, being a break reliant character, anyone who can lock toughness gauges - such as her own boss version LMAO - can really screw her damage over. But against literally every other type of enemy she's disgustingly broken with virtually no debilitating weakness. (Thoughts on Jade) - Coming soon~

[@FormerEmiliaBestWifi]

Theoretically speaking they are powercreeping all other DPS as well except for Acheron lmao

[@Waifu_Impact_Cunny_Archive]

Goodbye Hook the great helo Kamen Rider Firefly

[@paulyvii]

HARMony Trailblazer being put that low reminds me of Xiangling and Bennett in Genshin's early days

[@VarsVerum]

@@paulyvii "put that low" Niche =/= low tier...

[@zakariamimouni279]

@@VarsVerum tbf they're not even niche, HTB works well even if the enemy doesn't have an imaginary weakness

[@dan-lingyang7509]

“Imaginary TB is niche”, this statement will not age well.

[@thelaw_00]

ITB also brought many characters' value higher such as Gallagher, Xueyi, Misha, Sushang, etc. You can even partner ITB with Ruan Mei for even more insane breaking ability and damage. Those two are basically the Kafka and Black Swan of break

[@Luna_Celes]

But they are niche. Their niche is break teams and they aren’t really that great outside of break.

[@aure0521]

HMC should definitely be on excellent on the basis that they literally enable a new kind of team They are even more essential to break than Kafka is to DoT

[@aure0521]

​@@Luna_CelesKafka is niche in that she's "only usable" in DoT but I doubt anyone is gonna put her in that tier

[@ammarazlan4036]

Niche doesn't mean bad

[@Shokukun]

I love how broken Arlan is, the fact he is stronger than Acheron is just insane! Like wow this security boy is way powerful than an Emanator

[@eden5388]

Dude does 1million dmg easy, lol acheron doesn’t even compare 😂😂

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

Acheron? Bleh, Arltillion damage is far superior

[@MrPogee]

Ikr. The best part? He's a four star, and he can out-DPS most of the 5 stars units. How could HSR release such a broken unit?

[@magiveem]

ikr my arlan does way more than my friends e6 acheron omg

[@imlivid2746]

+ the current MoC buff doesn't work with her. Hoyo really hates Acheron...

[@hine_dere]

After 2.2 you can see the real value of Misha. He has the highest toughness break in a single attack with his ultimate and can extend the duration of toughness break with his freeze. He's really made for HMC super break teams.

[@sonofdeleniel007]

Specifically against a single target. With multiple mobs that toughness damage ends up splitting hard.

[@demi-yeethus5440]

Man you making me wanna build my Misha with that idea.

[@funplayer05.1]

Same with Xueyi tbh

[@bardockboii]

@@demi-yeethus5440when you make me feel bad after S5 his light cone for xueyi

[@Null82085]

Time to build me a bellboy

[@asrielnitemarre6715]

17:08, just so you know. Aventurine does actually have a crit dmg res debuff on his ult. So can compete with Fire mc and Geppie it’s just that his debuff is less accessible

[@sdfasdfgdfghfgh]

i feel like you have to have a pretty fundamental lack of understanding to get that wrong, plus him not even mentioning that the entire reason fire MC is so good with acheron isn't just the debuff on skill but taunt + trends lc

[@Waifu_Impact_Cunny_Archive]

CDMG res . First time I hear

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

​@@sdfasdfgdfghfghThis, and to be honest I prefer to use Aventurine alongside Acheron than with Fire MC thanks to the extra buffs he gives to allies and since he's such a good shielder he can easily solo sustain any team in any game mode with no issue.

[@VarsII]

Yeah that was a boop on my part. I realized later (this was recorded I think May 4th or something, right before Robin came out) when I was working on a top five best teams that I misremembered aventurine’s crit damage boost is a debuff on the enemy not a field effect. So aventurine is Acheron’s BIS tank not fire TB

[@Sparkofshurima]

@@VarsIIprobably a mixup with his e1, which does exactly that. there are so many characters in the game now that its almost impossible not to forget about very specific parts of their kits or even more specific interactions between them,

[@asweetlilpotato]

Agreed, let Qingque cook up all the damage and skill points

[@KittyNatiquinha]

Well Sparkle kinda helps with that

[@rinrainaozora4254]

@@KittyNatiquinhaunless you get super unlucky that even the 4 skill points you get from Sparkle doesn’t save you

[@brycecai4700]

@@rinrainaozora4254but more of the time she gets four of the kind way before reaching 4 stacks

[@mornemauvais5873]

​@brycecai4700 not enough people bring this up More often than not I get it within 2 skills

[@KittyNatiquinha]

@@mornemauvais5873 many times i got it without even consuming skill points lol, just with the turn swiching part

[@J3nnySmith]

Looks like someone recorded this before new break meta was a thing.

[@Rogerr27]

Not yet ,we have to wait for boothill and sam

[@ankhanhtran3973]

with the current MoC trend that mobs are getting more aggressive, clara is getting so much more value, example is the current MoC 12

[@wyattb20]

She is the only standard I'm missing and it hurts because her value has skyrocketed.

[@ankhanhtran3973]

@@wyattb20 her value has been increasing since pure fiction, also i took her over bronya at my 300 and never regretted that decision xD i have enough speed and decent relics to not rely on turn advance anyways. small builds flex at enka network 700336217 :D

[@SillySkull]

Yeah like using her against Kafka this moc was really good because of how aggressive she is alongside the adds

[@eddypham6603]

Clara vs that other Penacony DOT robot or whatever it’s called does not go well though. Big rip. (The one with that cup)

[@pokefan05]

She doesn't get triggered by the stupid debuff robots... (WHY)

[@SiegmundCG]

This tier list completely ignores the break team possibilities of HTB making a lot of characters more viable, and bringing Xueyi's stat requirements significantly down.

[@the7blargs]

Even Gallagher value goes up with HTB

[@chipsalancienne3080]

Yeah the vid is good if you ignore that part

[@Ganobrator]

My man this list was clearly made before 2.2.

[@sheepsoka8119]

I guess he overlooked those teams, however, that only affected like 4 characters

[@sonofdeleniel007]

@@Ganobrator doesn't matter, the information needs fact checked.

[@Katherine-ou6lb]

HTB can turn basically any character into a break DPS. Yes, it works best on characters with high toughness dmg (Asta, Misha, Welt), but you can compensate with Ruan Mei. Super Break is nuts, it's a bit like hyperbloom, requiring building the right stats on the team & committing hard, but has a naturally high damage floor if you can pull it off. And Sushang is great in break teams, her kit revolves around being a break DPS & she's physical, which (along with fire) has the highest break multiplier of the elements. With HTB, she's really good now.

[@pchs]

i think u mean misha, not mika but i agree!!

[@Katherine-ou6lb]

@@pchs I didn’t notice that, thanks!

[@mastanvx]

The break multiplier from elemental types doesn't apply to Super Break

[@Katherine-ou6lb]

@@mastanvx I know, but it still gives an edge in break damage.

[@NinjaWarotMCph]

if only sampo was not a dot unit he'd also be a broken break dps

[@willhebonkyainthechocola-jd7pm]

umm weakness implant is not the only thing silverwolf does ...... what about the 45% def down for 3 turns (dont know the exact number) , all type res pen , the speed attack and def bugs the debuff application and amount of debuffs is out of the world too excellent tier imo

[@Andrew-hm8no]

I agree so fucking hard with this, for whatever reason people have only been seeing her as weakness implant and underrate her significantly. 45% def shred on ult, 10% all-type res shred, 10% atk decrease, 8% def shred on talent, 6% speed shred. Even pela at e6 doesn't come close to the sheer utility and debuffing of sw.

[@chadachi3970]

The issue is when there are multiple enemies, but when there is a single enemy she is pretty unmatched in debuff capability. She's pretty amazing for bossing, with the new mode coming out next patch she'll likely rise in tier ranks well over what Pela but in AoE she's below her. I do think people overlook everything that SW provides, but I wouldn't say excellent, niche is a pretty proper spot for her as of right now but she should be excellent in 2.3.

[@bardol359]

Silver wolf in the same tier as Asta is just disrespectful.

[@SuspiciousScout]

Being niche doesn't mean they're bad or subpar, it's just they are only very good at a very specific purpose and not much else outside of that. Though I do agree that I think Silver Wolf should be at *least* Decent tier, because implanting weaknesses and inflicting a myriad of debuffs can be helpful for the majority of teams in the game.

[@jinorastattoos7489]

asta lowkey better LMAOOO

[@Legendary-st9of]

Acheron's technique alone makes her worth pulling, the amount of time it saves is just too good, and with trick snacks being basically free you will never enter combat in the open world again (except for formidable foes :/)

[@nobleoddiments-7260]

Trueeee, I used my acheron that was Level 1 on my level 80 standard enemies

[@kuratse205]

Agreed. I had the easiest time farming chests for e5 HTB. Only took me like 6 hours clearing all of penacony. Without archeron, I would have spent way more time on this.

[@ragno-monoover4710]

I probably have saved up hours of my time used by encounters. She’s worth the pull, Just wish I didn’t E2 for atleast 1 Gallagher

[@rusope1050]

i was going to say the same thing!! just breezing through sim universe with her. also insane dmg even withough her LC and with E0 imo.

[@jasonfox6932]

Worst take, among many rather good takes, is that Topaz is niche tier only because she is a playstyle enabler for follow up teams, like kafka is for DoT teams, her value goes up the same way that kafka does when a character that supports that archetype is released.Therefore logic dictates that if Kafka is excellent so is Topaz.

[@kuratse205]

Kafka can work well in a team without DoTs. Topaz... can somewhat work. Topaz is worse, but definitely isnt that low. Though unlike what most people say, she doesnt work that well with clara.

[@zerovking7629]

@@kuratse205 Most bias take I have ever seen saying kafka can work without DOT but topaz can’t work without FuA TM? You do realize kafka was B-tier before black swans release right? Remove DOT and kafka is horrible this shouldn’t be a debate

[@kuratse205]

​@@zerovking7629 I dont know what nonsense tier list you listen to, but both without their respective DoT/FUA teams are terrible. They both can work in hypercarry, but topaz is just objectively worse. Topaz is a ST FUA amper. Kafka is a AOE DoT proccer. In HSR, ST is worse than AOE, and topaz only has her own FUAs to amp in hypercarry, while Kafka can use weakness break and talent application for DoTs to proc. In my experience, my super high investment Topaz is similar in effectiveness as a mid investment pure DoT kafka (no crit) on my friends list, as hypercarry with e6s5resolution 174spd pela, e2s1 167spd 210crtdmg sparkle, and e0 fu xuan. I rigged it in topaz's favour, with the kafka being unable to crit while my topaz has 80/300crit

[@Samwise_genji]

Maybe but topaz really needs e1s1 while kafka doesn't necessarily

[@biscy03]

Topaz is not nearly as good as Kafka though. Both on their own or at what they enable. You can run a FUA team without Topaz because Topaz doesnt do anything specifically amazing to enable the team, she's just good at being a part of a FUA team unless you have her E1 or S1. Kafka on the other the other hand enables DOT, explodes them faster & ramps up the damage. Anyone would run a FUA team without Topaz, but no one is gonna run a DOT team without Kafka unless its a Black Swan team & they dont have Kafka (but thats copium, everyone would want Kafka even with BS)

[@ulrikruby]

24:20 If Jingliu is SP positive, you’re doing something horrible wrong.

[@Samwise_genji]

Yeah exactly lol

[@dummyyogurt5375]

definitely. At most, you could say she's SP neutral since she won't use any for 2 of her turns, but she'll never regenerate any SP for your team.

[@mybodyisamachine]

For Jingliu to be SP positive you gotta be using her basic attack after every skill 😂

[@juni_junjun]

As a person that has been using Misha as my sub-dps in my general team since he came out... yes as a Misha "main" we exist.

[@kuratse205]

Misha mains may exist. But Misha no longer exists lol

[@Avaa-vanilla995]

Misha...my baby 😭😭

[@nailahsaquee6719]

same here

[@Hououin818]

Naaaahhhhh, Pitch-Dark Hook the Great slander is crazy. She's like a Destruction version of Serval, she can spam her ult alot through out the fight especially at e4

[@infinap]

fr she's really not that bad

[@lenkaisen7767]

Nobody uses her that’s the reason

[@TerraTheWise]

No amount of copium is going to make her worth using

[@winterFox2r]

She is not that bad. It’s just… she’s kind of outclassed by other characters in what she does….

[@zerovking7629]

She has low dmg, bad/mid eidolons, and is also in a weird state where she has both DoT and hypercarry elements especially since she is ST most of the time and only has her enhanced skill like I believe after she ults is not good if you have low dmg you make up in AoE but she doesn't

[@Eflaene]

Feel like you're underselling H!MC a lot. They're not in anyway at the same level as the other top Harmonies, but they allow characters like Sushang, Misha, Xueyi to be more than decent and allows Himeko to exist outside PF. They're tailor made for Break, but even without swapping all your DPSes relics to break, it's just a straight up from a very decent to good additional damage source.

[@tonberry_]

The safest unit u can pull are actually harmony units and a sustainer, any dps or dmg dealer can be powercrept easily after a few patch😢

[@uhm._]

aventurine DOES have debuff, on his ultimate !!

[@vanskadoosh]

Doesn't his follow-up have a debuff too? Cuz I borrowed my hsr friend's Aventurine and his follow-up adds stack on my Acheron's ult.

[@Nexhem]

​@@vanskadooshi think thats from his lightcone?

[@vanskadoosh]

@@Nexhem Oh, my bad.

[@uhm._]

@@vanskadoosh lc :)

[@GentleIceZ]

Also on his normal attack if you can get him to E2.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Video Idea: Top 5 Best HSR Light Cones in terms of the artwork on the cones and not gameplay

[@eden5388]

Acheron’s lightcone looks awesome, but aventurine’s is definitely going first. I’m saying this with a pfp of his lightcone. Edit: okay not with a pfp of his lightcone but uh.. still, it's sick.

[@izanagiforsmite4365]

cogs

[@silverjuly9339]

For me, I prefer Past Self in Mirror, She Already Shut Her Eyes and Inherently Unjust Destiny are the most aesthetically pleasing lightcone

[@maingrader4434]

Jing yuans lightcone literally works on every character the buffs are so universal and straight forward plus it has good art

[@kumalanimbus6995]

Jing Liu lightcone, not the one we have but the unused one. Hominahominahominahomina

[@RonieTheddy03]

Small correction, Aventurine can in fact debuff an enemy via his ultimate and make them receive more Crit DMG, so he is good to be paired with Acheron. I wouldn’t say that HTB is niche since they can allow anyone to deal great damage just by building Break Effect. I think Acheron should definitely be in a higher tier. With the proper investment, she can pretty much bypass her need for her LC and even her talent which implores her to be paired with other Nihility characters. I, for one, didn’t pull for Acheron’s LC yet she’s still reaching at least 100,000 DMG per ultimate and 30,000 per skill even with a nonS5 LC.

[@sageofsixpaths8392]

1. Your acheron is just not great. I'm sorry, but she should be hitting much much higher than that even without her lc 2. Regardless I still agree with the decision of not putting acheron in top teir

[@RonieTheddy03]

@@sageofsixpaths8392 Still, reaching at least 6 digits per ultimate and without other Nihility teammates, her signature LC, and Eidolons isn’t really something to sleep on.

[@tonyjones3217]

Tbh I'd put acheron in top-tier just for her technique

[@Drwalanwiya2766]

100k ult and 30k skill is kinda low, i have E0S0 Acheron and her ult does 300k on single and 600k if there's multiple, and for skill its between 75-90k (she has perfect relic though). the the only reason i pulled her because her tech, but yeah i agree with everyone saying Acheron is suck without her signature, the difference like heaven and earth and i experience that myself.

[@sageofsixpaths8392]

@RonieTheddy03 Nobody's saying she's bad, she literally the best dps in the game with decent investment but the damage your doing is nowhere near her true capabilities 100k isn't impressive from a dps anymore my seele can hit 220k on a single target. And if you for some reason are playing e0 acheron without other nihility then you should also be using characters like sparkle, ruan mei, robin, bronya etc to mega buff her and still do crazy damage

[@sehtuk3953]

It's so absurd how good Pela is for being a launch 4-star when two of her traces and last Eidolen don't do that much for her (personal damage buffs on a debuff unit).

[@xanaviii]

Calling Silver Wolf niche is insane slander. Even if she doesn't inflict the weakness you want, she has more Def shred and debuffs than Pela. While Pela has AoE, that's not enough of a game changer that they would be in different tiers. Especially considering how much stronger SW is for 1-2 targets.

[@minako-chan1420]

FR, flexibility should be considered when making a tier like this. Why would you put SW in niche but JY in excellent?? 😭😭

[@xanaviii]

​@minako-chan1420 exactly. His justification for SW doesn't even make sense. And JY being a tier OVER Seele? Nah chief. Same tier? Sure, arguable. His recent HSR takes have been awful. 😭

[@minako-chan1420]

@@xanaviii yes I think he's really powercrept by other damage dealers too. He can only deal tons of damage when you have his LC. Plus, his follow up attack, you couldn't manipulate the Lightning Lord's speed and the fact that it could only be used once every cycle, it just sucks 😭 (Even if you build him with crit rate above 60%, if your lightning lord doesn't crit, your entire cycle would just go in vain, that's such a major downside for him) 😭

[@minako-chan1420]

@@xanaviii even in pure fiction, Jing Yuan is being outdone by Herta (a 4* unit!!! Even Himeko who's only a standard 5*) 😭

[@minako-chan1420]

I really love Jing Yuan but he's really just not in the current meta rn 😭

[@ShadowDoesCringe]

I unironically built Misha, and I really like using his ultimate and see them shred through a boss’s toughness bar. But yeah his placement in the tier list. I also heard people make Misha a Welt sustain at home. So he’s either Jingliu at home, or Welt Sustain at home.

[@antonevan443]

Herta and Erudition units aren't just only useful for Pure Fiction and useless everywhere else. 90% of the content in this game for most people is farming Calyxes. They are the best and fastest unit for this purpose.

[@Waifu_Impact_Cunny_Archive]

True

[@GentleIceZ]

100% agreed. We have to remember Simulated Universe exists, and while it doesn't get updated nearly as often as MoC or PF, when it does get updated it has some of the hardest content by that point. And given the customization of that mode, you can get pretty much anyone in the game up to optimal levels of play, which is great for characters whose full potential is usually locked behind their AOE range And what's funny is Herta is great in Gold and Gears because all the possible end bosses both summon lots of minions AND have innate ice weaknesses. It is the perfect mode for her, really

[@paulyvii]

Who needs Erudition units for Calyxes when you can just use an E6S5 Acheron friend that deals 2 million damage

[@antonevan443]

@@paulyvii because it's far slower. you still need to charge up the ult and the ult animation is like half an hour long.

[@robinj4286]

​@@paulyvii By the time Acheron gets her Ult, Herta and Himeko would have gone to the next round. Then there is also Argenti who can spam Ult. Heck even Seele is Faster than her in Farming.

[@botondnyitrai3128]

I wouldn't be mad about Acheron, but the fact that you have no dps in top tier, and you refuse to put one there is just stupid. Like only utility units could carry you through the game. At least one dps is a must pull.

[@migurusu-saint9160]

Was thinking lf the same thing. Like you can have the best supporting cast, but without a very good dps these will fall short. If this was a versatility tier list i'd get it, but it aint. If i may, i say acheron, DHIL, and Jingliu should be there at least. (Well boothill and firefly too but we'll see).

[@chadachi3970]

@@migurusu-saint9160 Eh I think it's fine, premium supports can bring even the shittiest of shitters up to doing some funny good clears. Arlan with Aventurine, Sparkle and Bronya shits out damage and can clear anything with electric weakness without really being worried about dying thanks to spammable Aventurine shields. Though I will say in personal practice with all the greatest supports... Yanqing might be unsavagable because bro had 160% crit rate 480% crit damage + 3k Atk and 100%+ Dmg buffs and his skill did only 50k and ult did 70k... like bruh what???? This was with Sparkle/Ruan Mei/Tingyun, bro has to have bugged modifiers or something.

[@yukiy556]

I pretty much agree with the majority of the statements in this video, but I would like to mention that Aventurine isn't downgraded compared to Fu Xuan in everything that isn't FUA teams. He provides a debuff on his ultimate that also provides crit dmg, he has big fat shields that get replenished often due to his follow up, he can tear down imaginary weaknesses fairly easily while also helping with the overall damage of the team, he gives 50% Effect Res (which when faced against many debuffs, specially if they happen in a row, is better than 1 secured prevention against 1 debuff), he practically doesn't need to use his basic skill, and then if we talk about higher investment his LC provides another debuff, more dmg for him and even greater shields while his E1 provides even more Crit Dmg and big shield on Ultimate and E2 provides another debuff and overall more damage to the team. I won't deny that Fu Xuan is an incredible preservation unit and that also it all comes down to preferences/taste, but with that in consideration, I wouldn't say that she is the best preservation or that she is better than him except in one case, but rather, they are pretty much on par on average which isn't really a bad thing at all.

[@GentleIceZ]

Pretty much agree, except for a few bits. First, the part where you said Herta is "virtually unusable outside of [pure fiction]" is just wrong. She's very usable, especially in Simulated Universe and even in MoC. Her issue is the same as Argenti, though, in that she really wants good match ups like, say, the Deer, Team Leader, some variations of the Swarm. I don't necessarily disagree with the tier placement since Herta is a unit whose shine depends on the game mode you throw her in, but "virtually unusable" is just untrue. Pela in high tier and Silver Wolf in niche doesn't make sense. With the exception of AOE Silver Wolf is literally a "anything you can do, I can do better" character to Pela. Silver Wolf's def shred is stronger, Pela needs E4 to reduce ice resistance whereas Silver Wolf can just thanos snap away elemental resistance (even if it is a random element), and Pela needs a LC to debuff with normal attacks, whereas Silver Wolf's talent means she's always applying debuffs. This last bit is important to hammer home, because the Pearls of Sweat LC doesn't give Acheron stacks if you reapply its debuff, but Silver Wolf's bugs always do. The only areas Pela beats Silver Wolf in is an AOE ult and accessibility. Otherwise, Silver Wolf's better. Not so much better that they should be different tiers, but I do think they should be the same. And lastly, for those who read far enough, congrats! You found the one person who has built and played Misha! I like him, he is good, and you can get a lot out of him. But at the end of the day he is a 4 star damage dealer. Maybe if the break meta becomes a real thing he'll have a place since a 10x bounce will eat through toughness like it's nothing, but he has the same problem as Hook where the kit is good but not unique. Meaning if you play for fun he'll be a great unit, but if you play for meta he doesn't offer anything that can't be given to you by another character except the 10x ultimate bounce and defense shred at E2. Like I said I like him, he's fun, and I've cleared MoC with him, but I'm not gonna come out here and say "such an under rated character!" (even if he technically is since no one is giving him any credit when he deserves *at least* a little) Edit: I wrote this comment before building Harmony Trailblazer, and after a bit of casual testing I can say confidently that Misha is really good with HTB. I used them both on the second half of MoC 10 against True Sting with Herta and Aventurine. Not really a recommended team as it's pretty SP negative and I would have liked to do floor 11 or 12 but neither of them recommend Ice right now. But regardless, Misha can be used pretty effectively if you know what you're doing

[@kazekori9593]

While i agree with a lot of silver wolf's points, aoe is very important right now. Most of the time you're fighting 2 big bosses. Pela's 40% def shred on both of them is better than sw's 45% def shred only on 1 enemy.

[@GentleIceZ]

@@kazekori9593 I can agree with that. As I said her ultimate AOE is one thing she has over SW. I'm just saying they should be in the same tier, because sometimes you really need that AOE and sometimes you don't. Sometimes you need the more consistent stacking for Acheron and sometimes you don't. My only real disagreement is that I think they should be in the same tier

[@mfz8580]

HWAAA FELLOW MISHA USER!! i love him so much hes my little baby idc if he doesnt hold up to other i will always have him in my team!!

[@GentleIceZ]

@@mfz8580 Based

[@GT-xw7rg]

@@kazekori9593 to be fair counting the bugs its actually 53% def shred on silver wolf, let alone some additional speed and attack debuffs, and the ability to res shred any element. Her ult is also relatively easy to generate especially if you have tutorial on her or especially E1(if you wanna whale a little more). i think its fair to say she's "at least" at pela tier and not 2 whole tiers lower if I'm fighting constant mob waves or somehow 3 bosses i would take pela, otherwise in almost every other scenario especially 1/2 boss battles ill take silverwolf

[@Quantumsaber]

I don't know when this was recorded but the lack of taking harmony trailblazer into account makes it already dated

[@ironman1458]

Doesn't matter, all these characters will be power crept soon anyway. If you care about tier list or meta don't pull anything for the next 2 years, all the chars you have now gonna be useless

[@fardulf916]

Fu xuan best sustain, said pela and silver wolf arent equal, forgot that aventurine has a crit dmg increase debuff, hmc not top tier, Please never cook again

[@r.2696]

Who is the best sust then if it's not fx?

[@cornz7126]

@@r.2696 Definitely Aventurine. Fu Xuan isn't great in higher difficulty content because most bosses deals more damage than Fu Xuan can sustain, while Aventurine can provide a 3000 shield each cycle. He also deals more damage (follow-up attacks), and his crit boost is on par, if not better than Fu Xuan's Crit Rate boost.

[@r.2696]

@@cornz7126 I mean if your fx is dying in anything besides high sim uni she ain’t built right, my fx clears everything end game, you just need a good enough DPS to do quick cycles so it doesn’t drag which is the point of the game anyway. Sure, he deals a bit more damage, but they’re sustains at the end of the day, isn’t the point of their job. FX CR > Aventurines boost. (E0). I don’t really see how he’s better aside from sim uni or the very few bosses that can one shot/counter fx. They’re good in their own ways, there’s no “best”. I run both E6 and they have their own uses!

[@orein1880]

Now harmony TB is "niche" the same way nilou is "niche"

[@mune.t8691]

Regardin Tingyun: In one of te first patch for the game I recall reading that coders wronly gave her a much higher "taunt value" that she sould have had and that was removed, but seeing she keeps getting attacked I can only think that the reason for that is that Tingyun is treated as a Destruction unit (which have a higher taunt value than Hamony units) because of her part in the story, basically making her taunt value a temathic gameplay addition.

[@zayna2427]

Aventurine does have a debuff- with his ultimate.

[@ninoomic9528]

I mostly agree... buuut.. - I would put Silver Wolf in Excelent tier list since she does provide a lot of defense shred. - I would also move Tingyun down into Excelent tier list as well because she isn't really as good as Ruan Mei, Sparkle, Bronya or Robin, they provide as much and more damage boost but for the entire team. If you could choose between having any of these characters or Tingyun in your team, you would almost always choose any of those 4 instead of her simply because they give more value. - Acheron into top tier because of her insane damage even though I know over time she will probably be powercrept, but I think she will always stay relevant, like Hu Tao in Genshin, she came out in version 1 but is still one of the best DPS. Also tier lists are prone to change so characters should be judged based on the current status of the game. - And maybe Gallagher into Excelent tier list if you have him E2 since he provides team-wide healing, cleanse and effect res, his ult allows him to act instantly so he can cleanse or heal..

[@lewsee5562]

One could argue that Tingyun is more valuable than Bronya because Sparkle can do everything Bronya does but better and more comfortable. There's no other Harmony supports that offer the same utility as Tingyun does that a lot of DPS units demand -- energy generation. JY, DHIL, Argenti, Ratio, etc. all prefer having Tingyun as their support for a reason.

[@GT-xw7rg]

Gallagher definitely deserves to be excellent alongside tingyun and pela. He is the best 4 star sustain without a doubt, his healing is low key cracked especially for splash and aoe damage dealers, easily healing 3-4k health per attack, he has flat healing instead of scaling making him super easy to build, he scales well with break effect making him a strong sustain in HMC teams, He has absurd toughness damage as ult into basic attack deals 150 toughness to a single enemy and still 60 aoe, and He's the most SP positive healer in the game even more than Luocha. Especially once you get Eidolons since he's a 4 star, he becomes even more cracked, e1 lets him have bascially 80% eff res for free which depending on lightcone or substats can make him straight up immune to all debuffs, E2 gives nice debuff cleanse as well as eff res for allies, e4 gives even more ult uptime which he already has decent (assuming moderate team speed), and e6 gives him weakness efficency which is not only super rare right now but makes hit ult basic combo deal a whopping 180 tough damage, the highest of any character in the game. Gallagher is a very strong 4 star and i find myself bringing him even over huohuo, and fu xuan sometimes depending on the team

[@cornz7126]

@@lewsee5562 Tingyun is a great support don't get me wrong, but Tingyun doesn't bring nearly as much value as compared to the other 5 star supports. Secondly, the shifting meta is causing Tingyun to become redundant in many teams. Let me give you the current top 5 teams. Acheron - Currently the best dps no doubt. However, Tingyun has negative synergy with Acheron for obvious reasons. DHIL - Runs Sparkle over Tingyun because while Tingyun allows ultimates and Squama stacks, Sparkle gives more points and speed Jingliu - Runs Pela and Bronya almost exclusively due to how strong the synergy is between the three. Tingyun COULD work for a hypercarry Jingliu, but Ruan Mei is better as a 4th slot. Black Swan/Kafka - Doesn't rely on their ultimates to deal damage. Tingyun COULD work with Black Swan, but the extra energy isn't particularly useful. Dr. Ratio - His best team consists of follow up attackers such as Aventurine and Topaz, making Tingyun's energy almost useless. While Tingyun WAS a great support during the start of the game, the current meta doesn't revolve around ultimates anymore.

[@hihilol404]

Misha has the highest Super Break damage potental with his max stacked ultimate due to scaling with toughness damage directly multiplying it.

[@Number_27]

as a sushang main, with the right build and supports she can be a MONSTER! throw her with harmony TB and ruan mei, and couple that with the fact we're getting a hunt gamemode and more break relics soon, she's gonna hit her full potential soon!

[@thelaw_00]

I would bump Guinaifen to decent. She's not restricted to DoT like Luka and Sampo. She can work on any team because of her debuffs like Acheron and Dr. Ratio team

[@joshuajackson6023]

I agree, her Damage ceiling is also higher than Sampo and Luka's and Fire has the Highest Break Effect Multiplier... plus, I think she's the best Fire Character in the game??? Fire is just in a really bad place, along with Wind... having only 1 or 2 even notable characters. Topaz is... Nice? But I think Topaz is even more Niche than Guinaifen. The fact that she needs A LOT of follow up attacks to do any Major damage hurts her viability down to... 3 teams ish? Clara, Jing Yuan and Dr. Ratio, but she is like Kafka in the fact that the more Follow Up Units come out, the more powerful she becomes. All in all, I think Guinaifen has the Top spot for any Fire Character... (Before Firefly).

[@chadachi3970]

@@joshuajackson6023 She's also good in Super Break since she is pretty much designed around Break Effect, not Firefly level but very solid and could clear the last MoC with the team of her/Ruan Mei/HMC/Gallagher pretty. At lvl 70/70 (which is a lot lower damage than 80/80 since break scales with lvl) she was putting out 60-80k super breaks, so she has a lot of potential and considering SB teams are a TEAM effort, everyone does damage, this is really good stuff.

[@lilyxsplash]

28:44 hi, misha main here! went out of my way to pull for him on ildh's banner in 2.0 because i needed an ice character and immediately built him i guess i did do "significant investment" in the sense that i gave him the 5* simuni lc and decent relics, but he does nice damage on his own that only increases when being paired with the crazy supports in this game (he hit 600k the other day w ruan mei) overall he's amazing for freeze, esp in simuni remembrance runs, and super fun with his weakness break

[@t.n.u4460]

same, went out of my way to get his eidolons lmao.

[@venn2001ad]

I've been a Clara main since 1.0, ever since she popped out of the Departure Warp, but I must say that I agree with your "Decent" ranking of her. Clara can be strong, but her over-reliance on enemy actions to even use her FuA is her Achilles' Heel. No other DPS has such caveat, because none of them depend so much on the enemies to use their gimmick. It kinda requires her to team up with someone who can help her with maintaining a high aggro on herself. It also wants her team to avoid CC'ing the enemies, as CC'd enemies can't act or have their action delayed, which can affect Clara using her counterattacks.

[@kuratse205]

but Clara can get ridiculous amounts of value. On PF, she works ridiculously well and can act as a subdps and lets you bring ST dps units to PF. Also, certain enemies play really well into clara's kit, like boss Argenti, that one luofu enemy with two fans, the aoe fire goldfish, and basically all aoe enemy atks. I even find her to be way more useful than my Jing Liu in both MoC and PF (Jingliu has 2.5k atk, 161spd, 35/220 crit, dmg% orb). JingLiu may be good for new players and low investment, but Clara just outperforms her in almost all situations.

[@venn2001ad]

@kuratse205 The issue isn't about Clara's performance, but about the innate design of her kit. Just because she can do all those things, it doesn't change the fact that she NEEDS the enemies to attack, just to even use her FuA. If they can't/don't, for whatever reason, then no FuA from her, period. And we're already seeing a hint of that, from the Penacony debuff robots. What if the devs release a boss that just throws bunch of debuffs and DoT's on our teams, but never actually attacks? Clara would be a dead weight then.

[@kuratse205]

​@@venn2001ad What you are doing is like saying "If there is a boss that can ignore ult dmg, then archeron would be dead weight". Like, no. The design of clara's atk on hit is really good game design. It's a dmg type, just like DoT and break dmg. Just like how DoT needs the enemies to take their turns, or how break needs to do toughness dmg and broken state, atk on hit needs enemies to hit. Clara has a ridiculously high dmg ceiling and can reach that against enemies that play into her niche. Just because a character is unable to be used in every situation ever, doesnt make them worse. It just makes the game better, because there are more ways to play and more diversity in character usage. Look at warframe for example. That game always gets new updates where the new content just completely nullify old frames' abilities. The problem isnt that the old frames did X. It's that the new content completely nullified X.

[@venn2001ad]

@kuratse205 Still doesn't change the fact that it's her Achilles' Heel. Does it make her unique and different, like you said? Sure it does. But that doesn't make it necessarily a positive thing, when her overall performance can be quite inconsistent, at the whims of the RNG. And no, it's not quite the same as DoT's. DoT's don't care what the enemies do, as long as they're applied. As long as the enemies get their turns, they'll procc and ALWAYS do their thing. And unless you CC the heck out the enemies, they WILL get their turns. However, for Clara, you need the enemies to act AND target her, for her to trigger her FuA. What if the enemies get their turns, but decide to buff up instead? Still no counterattacks then. It just creates an extra hoop that other DPS characters don't have to put up with, but she does. So having such high ceiling doesn't mean much, when you can't even reliably get to it, depending on circumstances. Even when you fight the exact same enemies again, things can swing differently, based on RNG.

[@kuratse205]

​@@venn2001ad I'm comparing "atk on hit" to "break dmg" and "DoT" as dmg types. All three are dmg types with their own ups and downs. You cant just create the worst possible hypothetical scenario for a dmg type and then call it bad. It's like asking a pure break dmg dps to do dmg to a target that cant get weakness broken state, and then labelling it as bad. Like, no sh*t sherlock. Each dmg type have their own use cases where they are good, and cases where they are bad. It's called tradeoffs and niches. In this case, clara gains a super high dmg ceiling in exchange for some rng and some dependence on enemy types.

[@GodofGoblins]

In regards to your point on QQ, when you mentioned IL practically requires Sparkle, I would argue a similar mentality with QQ. She is ok without sparkle, but with sparkle she really takes off. That is key to making the RNG very strong in your favor. I cant remember last time ever failed her RNG due to Sparkle constantly feeding her the SP she needs. As long as you have that combo and know how to play them (not using QQ ult immediately for example), she sky rockets in consistency and damage

[@anristellariza9036]

but Aventurine does have debuffs...

[@frostfire6347]

If there is a character i might say could get a chance to be in top tier as dps... Maybe its kafka since unlike other character who will get downgrade soon, she can and will get stronger as more dot team releases her kit literally revolves around devouring other dot dmg dealers and using them as pedestral to come out on top which other character might never have, she is just representative of nihility at this point💀

[@Zindril]

Weird to put Topaz so low. Only someone who doesn't understand how she plays would rate her that low. Very good video other than that tho.

[@ljunljun6354]

probably should add Eidolon 0 only in the title "Eidolons are applied on a case by case basis (5 stars will be graded based on E2 maximum - anything higher will be ignored due to being too expensive" ...what ? then Acheron would go straight up to must pull, her E2 is the one that will help her the most

[@ra6765]

I really like Seele and want to use her since she is still my only quantum dps but I feel like my skill level, roster, and build are simply not enough for her to clear some of the harder contents like MoC or PF. Honestly I really envy those who found success with her.

[@PaulHofreiter]

She really wants high investment with her relics, and needs a good team. I got her at launch and gradually stopped using her. It felt like she fell off but then recently started farming for her again and now I can see her damage is still excellent. Top 3 or maybe top 4 dps imo but yeah she isn’t as easy to get great as others.

[@primarina]

20:05 "he did get better in recent years" the game only just had its 1st anniversary 😂😭

[@jakoby256]

To me it seems like you have a personal vendetta against certain chars so you just pot them lower than they should be. Seele for example is still a top tier dps, Welt is nowhere near as useless as you painted him here, etc.

[@RaikaKoshiba650]

Welt is awesome at debuffing and sort of acts like a Preservation by manipulating the turns and stopping enemies from acting. He may not be top top tier, but he’s still awesome

[@kuratse205]

Yeah seele and clara are on average better than Jing Yuan, and sometimes better than Jing Liu. I dont even know why Jing Yuan is higher than Seele and Clara.

[@27Ganon]

Vars seems to have the most misconceptions about how Seele works, most of his points in his Seele vid are just flat out wrong

[@paprikaplaysgenshin]

Tingyun might have the taunt value of a destruction character because of her connection to Phantylia (emanator of destruction)

[@tomlacapra22]

Misha got his niche in Simulated Universe if you need to clear a run in Swarm disaster or Gold and Gears using Remembrance Path. He is able to freeze very often, if in the future new units come out Increasing damage to Frozen targets as their core playstyles he can become a great sub/main dps.

[@iury472]

i do not agress with the niche category. becouse in your point of view everyting that is not a crit damage build is niche. so dot is niche, break build niche. like you dont have that many ways to deal damage in the game and build a character, robin is not universalm sparke basicly only buffs crit builds? why the fuck i would use sparke in a kafka team?

[@antarath517]

I guess this isn't so much talking about a Kafka team. You're right, Sparkle doesn't fit into a Kafka team. But presumably, the target audience doesn't have every character, so they likely can't build that sort of team. If they pull a piece of that team, they could probably force them into a crit build with Sparkle and still get good value, but they couldn't make a proper dot team without more synergies.

[@darakin5172]

I do have one argument for xueyi, harmony trailblazer. Acheron is restricted to 2 nihility and a sustain unless you are crazy or have really tough characters in pure fiction. Xueyi ultimate now due to trailblazer has gone from an ultimate thats good at breaking to suddenly an amazing hyberbreak nuke, and extremely versatile Im considering running her with Harm TB, Luocha, and silverwolf for a 2 element break team

[@Waifu_Impact_Cunny_Archive]

I really love the newest break relic . Now Xueyi have no problem with crit stat

[@bastianokamiro5421]

Regarding Tingyun, if we are playing with the Phantilya possesed Tg, remember she it's a follower of the destruction path, and destruction has the second highest agro in the game after preservation characters!

[@ramenrider1792]

I think if you're going to put Kafka in Excellent because of her getting better and increasing in value with each DoT character that releases and her best teams strength. Then Topaz needs to be in the same category because she's the Kafka of follow up attacks and continues to get better with the release of each subsequent FUA character while follow up teams are also some of the best teams in the game, while also being more f2p friendly than the DoT team with Ratio being free. Also, the fact that every other member of the IPC team is in Excellent and above and she's not is just odd when she's effectively the lynch pin of the team. Applying the debuff Ratio needs to function effectively and giving him and Aventurine more dmg, while dealing around the same damage as Ratio by herself. People keep having this idea that when another FUA character releases they'll "be better" and take Topaz's spot in the team. But to me you're almost always better off replacing the main attacker in any follow up attack team and keeping Topaz as she'll be a better sub-dps option because she's designed for that with Numby's debuff. Even with Jade on the horizon with her rumoured buffing of another dps for her follow up mechanic. I believe one of Jade's best teams will be her and Topaz. With Jade buffing Topaz and taking out mobs with her AoE and Topaz debuffing and shredding bosses. Her problem is she came out at a time when Hyper carry was the meta way to play the game so people didn't understand her value immediately. Now she's slept on residually after her release and labelled an easy skip because people saw she didn't make as much use of Ting Yun/Bronya as Seele and didn't see the full value in dual dps till supports like Ruan Mei/Sparkle/Robin came out, and haven't bothered to re-examine Topaz's value since.

[@disinterestedhomo6002]

I used Hook in the early game 😭 her play style is very fun and she gets a lot out of burning enemies

[@madmaxim3965]

Rise up Hook players she was low-key always so slept on and she was a staple of my team up until I got black swan hah

[@madisonsimpson6714]

You mentioned that Aventurine doesn’t have a debuff but his ultimate apples and “unnerved” debuff that increases the crit damage that enemy receives. He just doesn’t have a taunt debuff. 👀

[@ivanseryogin6526]

17:11 Aventurine DOES have a debuff in his ultimate tho

[@TheAwesomePal]

I think it’s funny that essentially you can almost seperate the top two tiers by paths. Top tier sustain and harmony vs top tier damage (plus luocha). Not a criticism I agree with basically everything you said (tho I would put Acheron in the highest tier)

[@MaximilianKönig-z1x]

u said many times that aventurine doesnt have a debuff but doesnt he have one in his ult and (if u have his light cone) in his follow up attack

[@redlox2]

14:26 that a good note for what you mean by SP positive. Nice to clarify

[@sunnypa7101]

Exactly, damage dealers are meant to become obsolete in future. Everyone went nuts over dhil damage because he does 1000% more damage seele can do in a cycle, everybody went nuts over jingliu damage because she can surpass dhil in some situations. Even now, it's the same situation, Acheron can do more than a million damage in a cycle, which is outstanding, to say the very least, but what's stopping hoyo to make another character do more than 3 million damage in a cycle? This is why tierlists based on damage dealers will never almost make any sense. Their value will forever depend on how well they can use the new shiny support.

[@Macer84]

One very important thing to note about Jingyuan: Lightning Lord deals 15 points of toughness damage per hit, coming out to 150 toughness damage at max stacks. This means that Jingyuan technically has the highest highest toughness damage out of any single attack in the game, beating out Xueyi’s ult by 30 points. All of this means he is a surprisingly powerful break DPS, easily hitting over 30,000 super break damage on my very poorly optimized build.

[@No-Ink]

IF you can do it anyway.

[@Macer84]

@@No-Ink it’s not that difficult if you have dance dance dance on trailblazer, or high speed on Jingyuan, especially since he wants 145 speed anyway of you’re speccing him into break effect.

[@GT-xw7rg]

While not one attack since Gallagher's ult come with 100% action advancement into a enhanced basic it might as well be 1 combo which does 150 toughness damage and you can make sure its consistent one enemy in a boss fight with a lot of ads nad his healing gains bonus based on break effect so he's likely already building that stat anyway

[@yamechitiyo8410]

Yangking is so goated, single target king only got power crept by bootking

[@austinadvincula4410]

Ratio follow ups does like yanqing ults

[@akuuutan]

@@austinadvincula4410and ratio was free

[@user-fc7st1nu9m]

​@@austinadvincula4410put pioneer's set on yanqing along with his bis team Yanqing, Black Swan(or any other debuffer), Aventurine, Ruanmei With this build he actually outperforms my Jingliu who I invested more into

[@Prism988]

I feel like Xueyi should be bumped to Decent with Harmony MC being a thing, otherwise pretty spot on

[@That_Daily_noko]

Ngl Yukong is just like Mona, insane buffs that are exclusively used for KZbin damage showcases

[@dontuknowhowsweetittastes]

silverwolf is lierally the kazuha of this game

[@moeyonce]

I mostly agree with everything except argenti, he does not belong to the same tier as dan heng and jingliu

[@kuriboharmy]

I still Herta everywhere and still get full stars that she's still my only ice dps

[@PaulHofreiter]

Same. She’s definitely not restricted to only PF if you build her well, and it’s not really a secret since there are plenty of videos showing this.

[@chriso3641]

I feel like this video was written/made before it became clear how good Harmony TB is, because they are decidedly more than niche, haha! They enable an entire kind of team around themselves, and especially with Ruan Mei you can get silly things like Gallagher doing 100k+ damage as a healer. Harmony TB isn't niche because they can only go in break effect teams, they ARE break effect teams. I feel like that would be like saying Kafka should be niche because she's only for DoT teams. Likewise, a lot of characters have more value because of Harmony TB's existence. Xueyi particularly feels like she should at *least* move up to niche, if not higher, just because of Harmony TB. Harmony TB also improves the performance and use case for characters like Gallagher, Sushang, Misha, etc. I accept if it might not be enough to move some of them per se, but there's more to discuss with these characters at the very least. Sushang definitely shouldn't go in bad though simply because Harmony TB gives her more use than the Physical TBs and Arlans and Dan Hengs of the world. Silver Wolf being niche is also silly to me when she's as good as or better than Pela at Pela's job for the most part. I think they belong in the same tier. And I understand this is a meta analysis so it's not relevant but the comfort SW provides in early, mid, and even late game/MoC clearing for hitting weaknesses you might not have on your account cannot be overstated as far as I'm concerned, RNG or not. There are definitely others I'd move around but those are my main nitpicks. Happy to see where you evaluated Jing Yuan though, his stonks have definitely only gone up with time and I feel like a lot of people still underrate him!

[@saahilyoosaf]

Silver Wolf and pela should be in the same tier or arguably higher because she does everything that pela does but better, except aoe and impair

[@mazilifify3637]

“Adventurine doesn’t have a debuff” yeah he does read his kit

[@pabroah6434]

14:27 that's because she's considered as a destruction character in the game files witch is enemies tend to focus her a lot, I think they did that cuz in the quest "she" is one of phantilya's pawns

[@jayb.9312]

After this past version's story, hearing Misha be called a "really forgettable character" hurts so bad :')

[@JRKFR343]

Kafka is the highest pull value damage dealer in the game IMO. Her kit is designed to straight up copy whatever damage the other DOT unit is doing. Her ceiling scales infinitely

[@StrawberryDubs]

I did play starrail and I don't hate it, but I like how meta doesn't matter as much in genshin. If I like a character I can play them and still do decently well if they're low tier

[@mastanvx]

Misha is actually quite good for a 4* Destruction Unit. His Ult can cone in clutch with it's freezes and he oblierates toughness bars with it

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

This definitely was made before the Super Break meta.

[@AkumaItachi]

Firstly, Jing Yuan in excellent....not even close He takes forever to stack his LL, can get CCd out of it and when it finally goes off, it does the same dmg like one chalk from Ratio lol His skill has lower multipliers than Herta's, his ult also has pathetic 200% He got so many buffs and still can't manage to be somewhat decent Midyuan is scrapping the bottom of average tier Thinking his ult is a dumb jojo reference doesn't make him any better either...quite the opposite imo Second, Kafka excellent but Topaz niche...wtf Everything Kafka does for DoTs, Topaz does for FuA All that "her value will go up with more characters using this playstyle" applies to her as well Topaz with Robin can put out a lot of dmg I am so tired of people calling her niche and support and specialist and whatever other bs Topaz is a dps with some support utilites through her debuffs, she can do a lot of dmg while allowing other FuA units to do more dmg How is SW in niche while Pela is excellent? SW has more potent and more consistent debuffs, the only pro Pela has is her shred being AoE I love Pela but SW is on the same tier, standing in front of her Tingyun gets attacked a lot because she is a Harmony and Harmony units have a higher aggro value, it's not rocket science Robin, Hanabi, Ruan etc. also get attacked way more than other characters Also, calling her "the Bennett of Star Rail" makes me feel physically ill...comparing Ting to that ugly hobo Aventurine does have a debuff on his ult March is not bad lol, her shield is insanely strong and she can freeze pretty well, she also works well with Robin Saying Himeko is usable only in PF and "trash everywhere else" is just not true... Himeko is an excellent sub dps, can work with Topaz pretty well and now with HMC People just don't know how to use her, they didn't in 1.0 and they still don't Xueyi is at least decent tier, with HMC now, even excellent She is pretty damn strong for a 4*, definitely the strongest 4* dps Argenti is definitely a tier below the other dps...still insane to see midyuan there as well Acheron is absolutely a top tier character I do not believe that dps are worse than supports cus they are "replaceable", Acheron is insane, her dmg is ridiculous, she is top tier Acheron in the same tier as midyuan...wtf even is that

[@jmbrady1]

March 7th paired with Clara and other follow up characters does give them a use, plus it turns Clara into an actual useful tank for bosses that refuse to stay broken for a turn

[@zennir48]

Oh so thats why you put that post earlier about why tierlists are so controversial. Well this one in particular seems fine and it has credibility due to this being made by a regular and active player who also makes guides and in depth analyses on characters. :D

[@mormegil84]

They sure did release a lot of characters in a single year.

[@DaNiceGuy]

14:53 Note: A jumpscare that can traumatize

[@recker4267]

wtf is this lmao, there are so many things that i disagree that if i were going to say all them i would write an essay here

[@27Ganon]

Yeah not a surprise, Vars has the worst HSR takes I've seen on YT to the point where the opposite of his takes are often closer to being correct (most points he made in his Seele vid were hilariously wrong and made it incredibly obvious he had no idea how to play the character, and that's one of many examples)

[@EimiShahrizai]

I already commented about Serval, but also popping in to say I think Robin is not on the same tier as Sparkle and Ruan Mei. I've done a LOT of testing with her, especially with the new MoC and the only team she feels any good on is team IPC. I had some success with Ruan Mei and Robin together, however HTB is just better with Ruan Mei. Robin's biggest weakness is that normal teams just don't have the actions to get good value from her ult. Without 180+ spd, a normal team has 9 possible actions during Robin's ult. Not every team member will be hitting the enemy with all of those actions, meaning on average you tend to only get 6-7 activations of Robin's ult unless your dps is like Seele. Meanwhile team IPC is pushing 18-20. Leading to a Robin that just off her damage, assuming 15k a hit, who goes from 105k damage to nearly 300k. I want her to be more general than she is, but that's just not shaking out in practice especially with that monstrous 160 energy cost ult. You are right that she will be the best 0 cycle support for basically ever, but I don't think pull value should be assigned for 0 cycle units as 0 cycling is just a very different way to play the game. And can be made "trivial" by just slapping your favorite e6 damage dealer there.

[@TechyCatz]

There is no way you have Acheron in a tier that’s below a lot of people

[@deltaspecies1697]

The top tier is for supports, who will always be more valuable than another dps.

[@wraithhe]

​@@deltaspecies1697unless there's a unit that just yeets everything like Acheron.

[@TechyCatz]

@@deltaspecies1697While it’s true the pull value for supports are greater, this is a tier list not a pull value list. Tier list are typically made to rate the performance at the time of patch

[@gcsuddenlydavesHusband]

@@TechyCatzthis list is whatever the creator wants it to be

[@agidokiyt2164]

​@@deltaspecies1697Acheron currently is the best DPS, and she will get even better with more upcoming Nihility. Id put her in top tier Damage dealer is also just as important as support in this game

[@Tthewie]

21:00 This is just from my experience but I think Silver Wolf is pretty good with Acheron, she is SP efficient because her Basic Attack still applies debuff, which still helps Acheron's Burst

[@TheAngelRaven]

Acheron is one of, if not THE only damage dealer I'd say is a must pull. You even stated she can break toughness without matching element along with her just being a MASSIVE blast of damage. I have no Eidolons on her and don't have her cone, but Huo Huo/Aventurine with Pela and Silver Wolf just makes her disgusting. She can also fit into a DoT Comp as a 'Just kill the thing' option.

[@sn0wy172]

Misha's strengths according to a Misha main (me): - Good single target damage with ult. - Works well in duel DPS scenarios, namely IB Dan Heng and Qingque - Very good in Rememberence Teams That's about it, I personally think he is fun.

[@redlox2]

Saw the thumbnail for fu Xuan! Pulling for her in second half of 2.2!!

[@vanskadoosh]

Same. I need another sustain for my second team.

[@Waifu_Impact_Cunny_Archive]

Do you plan too pull E1 or LC too

[@redlox2]

@@Waifu_Impact_Cunny_Archive nah neither. I still have to go after firefly and jade in 2.3 (drip marketing) so I can’t really go past e0 atm.

[@kapilkhandelwal48]

Things I liked about this tierlist: The ranking criteria is pretty good and I also can agree with most of the ranking except few of them. Things I find wrong: Silverwolf ranking at niche don't make any sense she is literally what you can call can be usable in every team after release of acheron and HMC her value is at all time higher. Xueyi: She is not average she is a pretty good niche character very strong against quantum weak enemy and now after HMC release I can also put her at excellent if you have her e6. Blade: I personally experienced it that blade does more damage than jingyuan in most of the scenarios so putting blade at descent does not make sense to me. You should put both of them at excellent or both of them at descent tier.

[@sjaakbakker9944]

Break harmony mc teams not mentioned? Shame on you!

[@Malinzo]

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[@mika086]

I hope sushang gets a new form in the future to be more like her HI3 counterpart

[@sciencepower608]

The issue with Topaz is that there aren't a lot of dps units with consistent follow-up attack yets, which makes her have low pull value. While Kafka is a specialist for DOT, theres already plenty of characters that she can work with quite well (Black Swan, Sampo, Guin, etc.), Topaz only has Dr. Ratio as a consistent follow up attack dps which makes her very restrictive. That in combination with her sig and E1 being quite high power spikes, makes it even less worth to pull for her E0S0. Hopefully, they will have another a destruction/hunt unit that specializes in follow up attacks so Topaz won't be as niche Edit: So i kinda agree/disagree with putting her in niche.

[@No-Ink]

I have her and Ratio and I have to say they're very good together. Topaz has a surprisingly strong basic attack.

[@sciencepower608]

@@No-Ink YUP, in multi-dps fua teams, she is uber strong and quite fun. Sadly, only ratio is really consistent on follow up attacks. Hopefully, Sunday will be a Fua unit 😩

[@VitorSantos-jh9vc]

Having HMC, Silver Wolf and Topaz bellow Blade is insane, but well, great tier list, love your content

[@kuriboharmy]

I think his recorded date disclaimer gives him a pass on HMC. Tbh Topaz is almost always paired with ratio and quite expensive if we rate the limited at e0 it's rough for topaz she is probably one of the weaker limited at e0. With regards with silver wolf her niche gets kind of worse and worse outside of mono quantum as you eventually build out enough elements to the point that her weakness implant gets less value over time. Most endgame content is usually at least 2 enemies nowadays too. I have silver but honestly when I build my team I default to Pela way more frequently.

[@VitorSantos-jh9vc]

@@kuriboharmy good points...but like...bellow Blade?! Like, Topaz has the best synergy with Robin and right now the follow-up attack team is competing for the best team in the game, Silver Wolf is at least one of the best partners for Acheron and she is the unit that makes the core of monoquantum, even if say that they can only work paired with other units, the same can be said for Black Swan, and she is two role tiers above then

[@kuriboharmy]

@@VitorSantos-jh9vc I love topaz design but she is arguably the worst E0S0 limited 5 star in the game even with the OP Robin fua composition you will lack the debuffs required to enable Dr.ratio with Topaz alone at E0S0. It is innately a dolphin comp imo and outside of this op Fua comp I feel the investment to get E1S1 topaz is kind of wasteful. At E0S0 the IPC follow up composition is not fighting for best composition in the game but best dolphin comp available though. I mean silver is nice for Acheron but you can get away with dot supports (ppl run Kafka and black swan with her) for a more spread out damage output or just running guinnaifen instead of silver. But silver wolf at this point generally has two teams Acheron (modest upgrade) and mono quantum. Black swan is surprisingly good on her own she works as a debuffer or with sampo(e4) can act as a budget Kafka for her and being a pretty damn good unit in pure fiction too.

[@AevyCh]

Hook is basically a single target Serval, but single target sucks.

[@ryuuraga1619]

This is just an opinion so take it as you want. Teirlist will always be contested and controversial in any gaming community especially as big as Hoyo games right now. Being criticized about your opinion about a character shouldn't be taken personal. Yet you already posted three times in your community discussion about the toxicity of Genshin and Starrail players about teirlist. And this video shows how much the reaction reflected the quality of your teirlist. Like you said you recorded this before the release of many characters, which makes the majority of the opinion about the characters here highly outdated, especially when the release of 2.3 characters. It feels like you judged characters based on written words in their kit and other videos rather than actually testing them yourself. Personal experience might cause bias, yet it would still be a better metric to look at when judging the entirety of character's kit and synergies. Losing out on important information regarding the characters is evident in your opinion in majority of them.

[@northumbriabushcraft1208]

This is a man of culture putting best girl Qingque in her own tier 😂 The characters I get the biggest numbers with are Acheron, Jingliu, Firefly (especially in a team with Harmony MC) Xuyei and ofc Qingque. I get big numbers with my friends's Blade, Dan Heng IL and with Robin as support too. Considering my favourite characters are Qingque, Herta, Firefly and Jingliu, I'm happy all the characters I like are good in game. (Not the case in Genshin lol)

[@Kim_Imyoung]

I feel like Vars should build and play Yanqing to know that he's actually not as bad as he portrays he is. Cause why tf is he in the same tier as Natasha, March, Sushang, and Serval.

[@JsPlace]

Vars video yaaaay can't wait to see xueyi in the niche tier and even though she's 1 of my favorite dps in the game I hope she gets some love from vars

[@jasmineelhilali9152]

Misha player (and Clara Main) here, Misha is a more accessible version of Jing Yuan but with less damage than him, their mechanics work very similarly but I can say that Misha is turbo broken in SU if that counts for anything because he can constantly freeze enemies with a very low cost Ultimate that AOE Freezes (like March but it actually does damage), I agree with the Average tier