K1200s K1200r gt, K1300s K1300r gt technical review and insights Part 2

[@rolandsmith2141]

as a perspective buyer getting an insight with such detail and obviously (grade A) experience and skill level I just want to say thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge mate.

[@briankemp2290]

Now owning a K1200S I'm glued to your videos. Subscribed 👍

[@petergettemy1142]

I also would like to thank you for all the technical info on our KS bikes. I have completed all the updates to my 06 bike except for the driveshaft. In addition I've upgraded the body to 2015 panels with the large BMW script. Next is 85mm bar raisers for my back on long tours. Looking forward to future videos. Thanks Again from all the Pittsburgh KS riders.

[@randybrandon2656]

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[@gideonmarcus2847]

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[@randybrandon2656]

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[@gideonmarcus2847]

@Randy Brandon Glad I could help :D

[@robschoenlein2549]

If you still check this could I convince you to get me outside dimensions of the engine. I need it for a build I want to model up in CAD before diving into purchasing a motor or even full bike for all the electronics etc.

[@wimpiebouillon2083]

Good day. Any idea on were I can find that manual?

[@pulocspurcat]

Hello, can I get some guidance here please. So after the last oil change on my k1200s 07, the engine doesn't get the oil from the container and gets pushed back into the container. Is this a case of not creating a vacuum when i changed the oil and some air remained into the oil pump is this possible only after a simple oil change? I can i get this fixed. Thanks in advance

[@antoskis]

Thanks for very detailed video, it's a pity I havn't seen it earlier when I was changing my gearbox, as I could put this plastic part on cam shaft's drive sprocket. I have 2006 K1200R and gear box failed. It started to slip 5th gear and then just droped into neutral between 5th and 6th. I havn't found reason why it happend but I put a newer gearbox with precuted gearweel's dogs.

[@robinpettersson7740]

Hi Patrique! Thanks for all the good information! Its comes in good hand for me now when i have to change my clutch (including basket) on my K1200S -06. I was lucky to buy a spare part engine, a K1300S -11 with low milage. But i have now come to meet a problem, the sprocket on the backside of the basket to the oilpump-chain has 26 teeth (oilpump 24) instead of the original 25 (oilpump 25) so the chain is too short. Do you know if its possible to ”upgrade” my K1200 with the newer 5,5bar oilpump to make it work? And do you know where i can find the information to bleed the pump after the replacement? Many thanks for your advises //The Swede Robin

[@phofmann1912]

Yes, the chain will be short because its made for 25/25 4,5 bar and 26/24 5.5bar. That extra tooth on a 26/25 setup wont work.... i believe the pump is the same, just spinning faster. If you wanted to replace the 4,5 pump with the 5,5 you need to drop the oil pan and remove the exhaust system (i trust that you know what you are doing.... :-) ) The procedure to prime the oil system is described in the reprom maintenance manual. It basically calls for creating vacuum on the oil return line going back to the oil tank via a huge syringe (the size of a silicone cartridge tube) and cranking the engine without ignition/fuel injection.

[@robinpettersson7740]

Thanks man for all your help! :) I will replace/upgrade my oilpump and hope it will work fine. Keep up the good work! :)

[@leemckenna6809]

Does anyone have the part number for the improved clutch pin/oil jet (thingy with 2 groves in it) for the K1300? The online OEM parts fiche does not list it, but the part appears to be included with the lamellar package. Thanks.

[@utahjewelrydoctor]

Nice video, you cover just about everything, would you happened to know if there is a sensor shows what gear you are in, mu neutral and first gear cluster indicator is having intermittent problems, sometimes comes on and sometimes wont, any idea?

[@phofmann1912]

Watch this video (in spanish from 50:00 onwards) and he shows you how not to do it..... including rattle gun (at start of video), getting the allen key stuck and struggling to get the basket in....... And to top it off, he dumps oil on the dry/new barnett clutch plates from the outside. Never install dry plates. Let them soak overnight in fresh oil......

[@paulotex19]

Thanks for the clarification. I watched in the wrong order, first the spanish video, then yours. Really glad to watch yours before trying anything. The spanish guy says the rivets were adapted into bolts by an expert, but it is not clear if the non-parallel sides were taken into account.

[@phofmann1912]

The only way to do this with bolts would be to drill the hole straight, and insert a sleve+bolt and weld the bolt and sleeve together so they cant seperate.......only problem is that there is not really enough meat left to drill a larger hole.

[@jalatecompa]

Do you shoot a video of how to unmount engine from frame?

[@Pauley244]

You are Superb Bloke - Thank you

[@duhanbotha3423]

Hi thank you for the advice. One question. Can you press the bearing with the oil pump dowls out and replace it with the 1200 one or not?

[@greggl3172]

Great information - thanks for all the detail. I have the hot start issue on my 2016 K1300S Motorsport and want to add a parallel 4 or 6 ga wire between the positive battery terminal and the starter. How much disassembly is needed to get to the starter terminal? Thanks in advance!

[@firebladeflow]

there is a kit you can get for a acouple of bucks that also contains a relais and a couple of other things, if you do it, do it properly. as far as i know the whole tank and airbox has to come off.

[@greggl3172]

@@firebladeflow You are correct. If folks have the BMW K-bike shop manual CD, it's procedure 61 11 003, addressed by BMW Service Information Bulletin 61 002 11(040)R4. Took some time to find all that information. Appreciate the reply!

[@firebladeflow]

@@greggl3172 part number : 12418532735

[@greggl3172]

@@firebladeflow Correct - I should have included that in my previous reply - $160 US. Plan to install it this weekend.

[@travisspringer1890]

I have a 2008 bmw k1200s and it’s knocking loud and I got it from a friend who didn’t want to mess with it but what happened he red lined in first and never shifted into second now the mechanic said probably bent rod do you think that is possible or may it just be valve or somthing else

[@doublex632]

Hi, question.. I'm putting one of those jump guards on soon, seems like that oem clutch cover gasket stays in one piece and most people reuse it, what's your experience with that, and stay safe over there, thanks

[@angeloudy]

Are you in Australia?

[@christophemissinne3932]

Hi Patrique, Any chance you would have some time to make/post a video on checking & adjusting valve clearance? The manual lists a few special tools to remove the head cover so would definitely appreciate you educating us on the do's & don'ts...

[@phofmann1912]

I already did a trial video, but my phone battery died halfway. And I am in the middle of moving house, so i don't have time to redo the video in the next few weeks...... but I will do one eventually.

[@phofmann1912]

But, in regards to special tools needed: There is 1 special tools needed if you are only "checking" the valve clearances. Its the radiator vacuum refill/bleed tool because you need to remove the radiator and then fill it again after checking the valve clearances. If you need to adjust the valve clearance, then you need 2 extra tools. Crankshaft locking pin (you can't do the job without it) 2 threaded studs that clamp down the camshaft holding bridge (to undo the bolts clamping down) These two studs can be manufactured at home by getting a piece of thread bar 18cm long, M12 x 1.25 (same thread as the spark plug). Weld a nut, approx. 10mm from the end to each piece of thread bar. This is to stop you from inserting the tool too deep into the cylinder head. 2 large washers and 2 more nuts will clamp down on the camshaft bridge (BMW calls it camshaft bearing cap) and then you can remove it and adjust/replace the valve "oil sinks".....(I call them valve caps). Be carefull when you remove the Valve cover. There is alot of dirt on the top side of the valve cover (sand and small stuff) that will fall into the camshaft/valve area. Make sure you clean everything before removing it.....

[@christophemissinne3932]

Got the bleed tool and probably will be able to make a hijack of the studs. Keeping my eye out on ebay for the locking tool and lets not forget the coil puller tool. Read a comment that the feeler gauges probably need to be the long/bent kind and the valve shims supposedly arent the typical flat disc- kind like ex.on my wifes RVF

[@phofmann1912]

The shim/caps are spherical.....Only BMW will sell you those. And the locking tool is really only needed when you have to remove and adjust the shims. The locking tool I think was less then 50 dollars from the dealer. I have spoken to alot of people and the chance of you needing to readjust the shims is fairly minimal. I have the locking tool because i also worked on the clutch, where its also needed.

[@phofmann1912]

And the coil puller is overrated..... I use bent longnose pliers. Because the plastic coil remover is too soft and can open.

[@sylvainsylvain1978]

Bonjour, very nice video. If I can allow myself a question because my English is so bad ... I have the model 2005 and I wanted to know if once removed the aluminum pin, the new pine 2 gorges could go .. .And if add holes to my walnut is convvitable..Thank you a lot...........Sylvain from La Rochelle

[@phofmann1912]

Sylvain Sylvain Regarder ici: www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=55833

[@mnswilson1]

Two great videos for any K1200 owner. I learned a lot! I have just bought a reconditioned clutch basket for my 2008 GT, from John Sykes in UK. He has replaced the springs but has not used rivets for the re-build. He has drilled and tapped the basket and has used machine screws with high strength Loctite. I don't want to have any risk of separation. What do you think?

[@phofmann1912]

Can't say if Johns work is good or not..... He seems to have been doing it for a while. I'd say he knows what he is doing. Loctite is a must in this application......and drilling and threading the basket will work too. I just don't wan't to say that its 100% guaranteed to work (longgevity wise). A rivet vs a bolt...... Now, all the shear load is put on the thread, and not on the shank, like when using a rivet. If i were to go that route, i'd drill and tap the basket and insert a HeliCoil to strengthen the thread in the basket. Because the basket is fairly soft Aluminium. Maybe thats a bit over the top and not needed, but thats the way i'd do it. But, don't worry..... Your basket will be fine. Run it for a couple of thousand miles and then pull it out and check the bolts. I would.....

[@mnswilson1]

Many thanks for the quick reply Patrique, much appreciated! Can't say how much I liked the videos. All the info on clutch baskets, chain tensioners, oil pump sprocket etc, was just what I was looking for. Great work.

[@jonathananderson7307]

Hi where are you based in germany?

[@2wheelLove]

do you know if the k1300s trans will fit properly in a k1200s? I think the shift sensor is keyed differently but i think thats about the only issue, correct?

[@phofmann1912]

2wheelLove yes, it will fit. And you are correct, the gear position sensor is different.

[@pierodegrossi2059]

Hi Patrique, thank you for sharing your very helpful videos. I'd like to ask if you could share the source of the manual you have on your PC. I'm interested in the K130S manual and part scheme. From what I've seen her on the video it is not the ETK I can find online. Thank you in any case, and congratulations. Ride safe and enjoy!

[@phofmann1912]

piero de grossi I got the manual on ebay.... €10 plus shipping

[@pierodegrossi2059]

Thanks! I'll look into it.

[@danejohansen]

Thank you for posting both videos. I really enjoyed learning about and seeing these components. I ride a 2008 K12S and I'm very interested in the K13 modifications you've done. The shift lever upgrade with PC quick shifter must be great. Perhaps you can help me understand this better... I asked a BMW rep. about installing a PC and he told me that the maps would be constantly rendered ineffective by the K's ECU as the bike 'learned' and compensated for the PC's input. It seems like this has not been your experience. Would you please make a detailed video about the PC on the K12S? Thank you again, these videos were great!

[@phofmann1912]

I'll be posting another video in the next few days, including the bikes electronics and PowerCommander. Stay tuned. But I'll give you an answer now, so you can trash talk your dealer....... The PC3/PC5 (yes, the PC5 will fit) injects an added percentage of fuel to what the bikes ECU is already injecting. He was correct about the bikes ECU learning, but only if the Oxygen sensor in the exhaust is still connected. Once the oxygen sensor is out of the equation, the bikes computer has no way to relearn what is injected "extra" to compensate/reduce. In a fuel map, some of the values in the Power Commander table go into negative (-20%). That is to remove fuel from what is originaly being injected by the bikes ECU. Just be carefull, if you live in California, the bike won't pass exhaust/smog emission standards (unless you plug the O2 sensor back in, and upload a O-Fuel map). Hope this answered your question....

[@danejohansen]

Thanks very much for the reply, the info, and the future video! I'll look forward to seeing it and learning more.

[@2wheelLove]

Hey Patrique. Could you share your power commander map? I am running a PCV on my 07 and I am interested in your low speed fueling.

[@phofmann1912]

2wheelLove Sure.... whats your email?

[@2wheelLove]

hey patrique, i sent you a Private message via youtube with my email address...did you ever get it?

[@phofmann1912]

2wheelLove i didnt get anything.... send it to this email: [e-mail]

[@joepillari7142]

Hi Patrique, you are a mechanical genius , very impressed with your knowledge . Where are you based , I'm at metropolitan Sydney was wondering if you work on other peoples bikes. Keep the videos coming

[@phofmann1912]

Joe Pillari Sorry mate..... i've been moving house and i would have gladly worked on your bike (i lived in Camden)..... but i moved to Germany now. So thats a bit far away now to give you a hand..... unfortunately.

[@dietershobbypakanal]

Good... can you give me the dokumentation of the k1200s and k1300s?

[@phofmann1912]

Dieter Müller How about asking nicely?

[@dietershobbypakanal]

@@phofmann1912 from the parts list on the pc... or is that a online parts list?

[@phofmann1912]

Dieter Müller shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/PartsSearch.aspx

[@kennethwise7108]

@@phofmann1912 thank you

[@MrOryfek]

Hey man great source of information. I have one question if i want change coolant do i have to do it by vacuum method?? Or its different way?

[@phofmann1912]

Sorry for the late reply..... yes, the coolant system needs to be vaccum filled. And depending on year 05/06 or 07-xx there is also a difference in which hoses you need to clamp off.

[@kennethwise7108]

I installed a booster plug on my K1300S, best bang for your buck!

[@phofmann1912]

;) A 1/4 inch ring spanner is the same size as the torx socket.....

[@ThePhillipnielsen]

Why the F would you CHANGE the gear lever and the way it works? I understand the oil filter is more hidden. But really?

[@richfjr1300]

you know on that chain tensioner, i had an oilhead from 2002 model year, and it had the same rattle, and of course bmw redesigned it later on, so no rattle at startup, but of course bmw wouldn't recall it, you had to buy it...and now i see the same thing a few years later....must be some type of revenue generation they're trying to get from people who keep the bike and don't want to buy the latest model. Obviously, you don't have to buy it, but that rattle sounds so awful at startup

[@phofmann1912]

The problem with the chain tensioner is that the spring inside will work for the first couple of years/10k-20k and then weaken. The new style chain tensioner is actually not new...... its the same thing with an added reservoir on top. When I pulled out the old one and compared it to the new one they were identical, except the spring was a bit weaker on the old one.

[@danielhehir1]

Hello again, I changed the CCT a few weeks ago. The new CCT didn't have a spring with it. They recommended to use the old spring. So I did. The noise is still there at idle. I'm trying to order the spring now but BMW didn't even have a part number on the parts blow up sheet. So I'm wondering now, is the the clutch or is it the CCT ? The bike flutters just a little bit at idle. This seems to point to the CCT. There is also a later update or "fix" if you will. There are some small shims you can order from BMW to put in under the spring. Maximum 3mm. Have you tried any of this?

[@phofmann1912]

Do not install the spring with the new tensioner. Only the reservoir and tensioner.....

[@phofmann1912]

When i wrote that the spring feels the same, i meant the internal spring of the plunger. Not that 10mm outer spring. Look at this photo. The lower one is the way you have to install it. WITHOUT THE TINY SPRING! Check that you havent destroyed the oring..... goo.gl/images/p4AqNU

[@danielhehir1]

The 10mm spring should not be installed? Doesn't the spring keep a little tension against the chain, especially if the bike has been standing for a few weeks?

[@thunderheads4103]

Videos are good but audio is terrible

[@phofmann1912]

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[@blackbirdxx4613]

Can't hear what you saying.....talk up

[@zoeyfarrell4360]

lets write a script the 20 second pauses daa umm