Setup 4 Impact Golf compared to the Moe Norman Single Plane Golf Swing

[@jamesbelkin9204]

I took Moe's advice to learn my own swing. I have taken what he does but added my own flavor to it.

[@toddwmac]

Great video as always Kirk. One thing I also love about your approach/model is that you don't have a dozen different "training aids" you want to sell us. Thanks for keeping it simple.

[@Setup4Impact]

If I ever found one that actually made a difference I would sell it, but so far they are only good for the people selling them. I do think that the free V1 golf app is one of the best options out there. As you can actually see what you are doing in your swing, or my members can send it to me for my analysis. It is simple and saves people from wasting a lot of time.

[@cc-rg7dz]

Hi Kirk, I've been playing as a +4 index for a couple years, I think you hit the nail on the head and it's kinda what I teach now. I teach 3 things: 1. Do you feel athletic and comfortable, 2. Can you get to your impact position that you feel strongest at, and 3. Are you nice and balanced and not feel like it's a lot of effort. I'm doing better avoiding rigid teachings and sticking with comfortable athletic golf, unique swings belong to unique people and that's okay.

[@Setup4Impact]

Keep it simple!!!

[@timothyprentice4706]

Kirk could you please do a series where you take us on a round with you on a known course and play 18 holes with shot tracer? I think a lot of us would love to see the setup4impact swing demonstrated in such a way! I've no doubt you'd shoot a good score

[@OLD-MAN-GOLF-USA]

Search youtube "Kirk and Tony the match" Not a known course but you'll see the swing in action by both!

[@Rbeardsley10]

Was with Natural Golf, then Graves for a few years and never improved, the process impeded using my athleticism. I improved immediately when I switched to Kirk.

[@Setup4Impact]

Keep up the great work Rick. Fun seeing your improvement.

[@dennymiser6333]

I had the same experience

[@georgenotgeorge7422]

Hi Kirk from Eastern Canada. Been trying your Setup 4 Impact for the past month or so. Golf is exciting again, no more shanks, dead straight driver, goodbye slice. Thanks for super explanations.

[@Setup4Impact]

Awesome to hear!!! Glad to have helped you!

[@DarrylHarris-e4g]

I am from Ottawa Canada trying this method spent 1 yr at graves and I was a mess So far having success with this considering a membership

[@kregwesley3382]

Great video. Your approach has improved my game overnight. Thank you for your great advice!!

[@Setup4Impact]

Great to hear!

[@kentbernard9842]

Your swing concept is aligned to what I settled on 15 years ago. Single plane made since, but I could never get comfortable with the ridged stance, etc. So, developed my "blended" single plane swing. That and Lee Trevino alignment tip of "Aim Left, Swing Right, Walk Straight" cure my slice.

[@doc2help]

Turn back, turn through really works fo me even though it sounds overly simple. I have played under 90 several times since I joined your site. I rarely played under one hundred last season. Thanks so much.

[@Setup4Impact]

Great to hear!!! Keep it up. One day you will be able to cross the border again!!!

[@southbeau3531]

You are a master my friend.

[@jackbailey7184]

One of the best videos about the feet movement i have seen, keep up the good work thanks.

[@Setup4Impact]

Thanks, will do!

[@ronmarkwick1520]

Hi Kirk have only just recently stumbled across your channel and have found it has helped me no end. Keep up the great work. From the land down under.

[@Setup4Impact]

Glad to help

[@jazzman7ful]

Have been doing moe’s swing switching to you have given back distance and accuracy. Much improvement. Thanks Kirk

[@Setup4Impact]

Excellent

[@croozer30ify]

Your best video yet.

[@nandushevade889]

He speaks from heart and experience, useful clip as he speaks of common sense golf

[@davidlester3356]

Kirk, I appreciate your approach to teaching the single plane swing. I am 75 and I've had three back surgeries, the last one was a fusion of the whole spine from the thoraciac vertebrae thru the lumbar vertabrae. Believe it or not I am able to swing the golf club and make decent contact using the single plane technique. One thing I focus on is the takeaway which requires I let the rotation about the spine take the club away straight along the correct plane and return it to the correct contact hitting position. Also the fact you don't stress that the feet be so far apart and the trailing foot can come up at the end of the swing makes a great difference. Thanks for the tips. Dave

[@Setup4Impact]

Great!! keep it simple!!

[@bm1130]

Hi Kirk, great video again. One thing I can never understand is why doesn't anyone ever talk about Jack Nicklaus' swing and grip. There isn't anything so athletic that most people can't do!

[@Setup4Impact]

Good point! Jack was one of the most consistently great ball strikers ever to play and the greatest player of all time. Legend!!

[@TomSmith-yt8ce]

Krik great info as usual- shot 73 today 7.1 ghin - Ive used setup for impact l o n g before you mo or todd graves or bryson - but love your videos

[@Setup4Impact]

Awesome!!! Keep it simple!!!

[@petertrevor9532]

Great video I have loads of problems with my back but this looks like it will ease it for me thanks

[@Setup4Impact]

This will put less stress on the back.

[@krisiboren]

I agree. I could not ball strike that far away and hit it as far. Then I got closer to the ball and wow! That ok?

[@Setup4Impact]

Awesome!! We all want to improve as fast as possible. That is my goal in teaching. Help people improve quickly!!!

[@petercooper8594]

Great explanation of adjustment of single plane. Thank you. Do you have live demonstrations and training ?

[@Setup4Impact]

Hi Peter, I do have schools in West Palm Beach, Florida, November through April, and then a couple times per year in Cincinnati, Oh, Reading, PA, Sanford, NC, and soon also in California. More info at learninggolf.tv/3-day-golf-school/

[@markpowers6161]

Hi Kirk, found your channel and your method appears to be easier than GGA. I to was not consistent with GGA. Somedays great, other days always a push to the right and could not fix it. i hope this will help help with the push slice. I was wondering if you could show us the Setup 4 Impact method using a driver? could you do a video like that on the channel and show us how to determine the proper distance with the club from the body and impact, release, ect in face on and down the line in slow mo. Thanks Mark

[@OLD-MAN-GOLF-USA]

Hello Mark, here is a link to a DTL video of Kirk's driver swing. I'm not sure if he has a face on video with the driver.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHzTi6Klg55_jNk Tony Griffin Setup 4 Impact Golf Master Instructor

[@MSDOGS1976]

Amen brother. I can't stand the hard core Moe swing. It simply looks dumb. Reaching so far out and trailing foot planted through impact made it hard to swing in my brief experiment with it. Your swing looks more like Steve Stricker. In another of your videos you mentioned that it is ok to gradually elevate your hands at address and in time elevate it more as you show here. That is where I am at. Slightly elevating my hands has made a world of difference along with strengthening my left grip. Oh yes....and making sure I take the club back w/o breaking my wrist for the first 12 inches has helped. I've been too handsy over the years. Thanks for all the good tips.

[@Setup4Impact]

Keep it simple Marty!!! Great to hear you are doing well.

[@NonnyStrikes]

Instead of drills. Have them focus on feels and watching what the club face does at a slower motion. This is when I developed a real sense of what I was trying to do with the club. I'm very athletic now with my swing, it's also shorter looking, but man is it accurate and consistent. I always have people asking me for tips and I always tell them to stop thinking about me, and start thinking about the goal with your club and body parts.

[@Setup4Impact]

Drills are a way to practice moving the club properly through impact. Slow is the best way which is why my drills are done as slowly as possible. They work wonders when done properly.

[@TomSmith-yt8ce]

excellent job

[@Setup4Impact]

Thank you very much!

[@normankleinberg5525]

I like the idea of the non-rotational trail hand potentially increasing the quality and consistency of impact, but I have difficulty (frankly, it's more mental than physical) rotating my body. I tend to revert to an arm swing. Would a conventional rotation drill like Pete Cowen's "Spiral Staircase" be compatible with your method?

[@Setup4Impact]

That is the same rotation as I teach just explained differently. I really like that explanation. My drills teach you how to turn and get into a good hitting position before impact.

[@ricomazzola4916]

Tried Graves method and Kirk's method. Kirk explains the differences very well here. Graves admits that there is a limitation and that is his goal.

[@Setup4Impact]

Unfortunately with Graves limiting turning into impact, people lose distance, and accuracy as they cannot get the hands leading through impact without turning. Many also get injured in the process.

[@j1238066]

Great video.. Subscribed

[@Setup4Impact]

Thanks for the sub!

[@lancemcmurchy1161]

The grip is the key. I had a grip where the right hand is weak and the left hand is strong and i kept flipping the club with a low hook. I have weakened left hand and strengthened right and it feel like magic just happened at the ball and i finally stopped flipping the club so much. I think this is what moe figured out, he just went a bit ott with everything.

[@sassykeys2502]

Hi Kirk, I have a question regarding raising the hands at setup. Is there a danger here of having the club sitting on the toe? Does that negatively affect the impact i.e. the ball goes right? Thanks so much for the videos. You're my favourite single swing plane YT coach so far as you take a much more individualised approach.

[@Setup4Impact]

If the clubs fit you now then they will fit you with this as long as you keep the same distance from the ball at setup. So impact conventionally and with Setup 4 Impact you will be in the same position. I just have you setup with the club in that impact position.

[@alexanderhamilton5464]

Kirk, I’m 67 (hdcp 7) and have had a single plane my whole life. I recently discovered your videos and enjoy them very much. Moe was a regular at our golf club in the ‘60’s and i played with him a lot along with the asst pro, so I quess I get my swing honestly from him. My one plane looks very much like yours. I’d like to send it to you for comparison once I figure out how lol. Where can I send it to get your feedback?

[@Setup4Impact]

Hi Alexander. You can send in swings at no extra charge as a member of my website at learninggolf.tv

[@SpitSharp]

I'll say it again, your swing method is way better and easier to copy.

[@Setup4Impact]

Glad you think so!

[@NathanRofail]

Love this video. I've been trying to copy Moe using Todd's videos for awhile now and I've had some success but I feel like I've just gotten worse the more I try to exactly copy him. I have a question for you, Kirk. My irons are fit to me according to the Graves Golf free online club fitting (it didn't affect the length of my irons but my lie angle changed). I'm wondering if I need to change the lie angle again back to standard for the S4I swing? Thanks so much!

[@Setup4Impact]

Hi Nathan, The same thing happens to a lot of people. The more you try copying Moe the worse your game will get. He had the most unnatural and unorthodox swing ever. If you find the distance from the ball that works best for you and let your body move naturally then you get the lie angles checked and adjusted to fit you if necessary. Most club repair shops can adjust lie angle.

[@martyepperly5803]

​@@Setup4Impact I'm one of those people. I started with you, and then I started watching Graves Golf, thinking it was like your approach. My first draw to them was their online club fitting which is working for me so far. And, I'm standing further from the ball at set-up, which seems to be helping. But, but my big draw to the single plane swing was the simplicity, and I started to realize that Graves Golf was really getting complicated. So, I'm back!!

[@tommy4cam]

I notice that you set up with the ball on the heel of the club. Is this your own ball position or a something you recommend?

[@Setup4Impact]

This is what works for me.

[@styxb7267]

Tried to copy moe swing, blew my Left knee out from keeping it bent, your swing is s much easier Kurt.

[@Les-vp8si]

Moe Norman never had any injuries or pain.

[@Setup4Impact]

Moe also said that he did not turn his hips.

[@glenaspoor9788]

I have a question as regarding the grip I see that some people use a larger grip is that the case. I have small hands and use a small Cadet glove... and I'm wondering if using a larger grip or at least a slightly larger grip would be a benefit for this swing comments please!!

[@Setup4Impact]

Hi Glen, I would recommend trying a larger grip on one of your clubs. For your hand size I would only recommend a midsize or jumbo grip from Golf pride.

[@charleswilliams7680]

Kirk, I need help buddy. I've been chasing Moe's swing for a year and got pretty close to quitting golf completely. I just can't maintain it. I've lost 2 clubs in distance and heading toward three clubs - was hitting an 8i 150 now between 6i and 5i. I'm 38, 6'0" 155lbs, athletic, and very kinestheticly aware, so it's blowing my mind that I can't figure this out. I've also had access to a GG coach and training aids so I have had help but still...no good man. I've gotten to playing a round of 90 but for sure I've got better game in the tank. When the wheels fall off my swing during a round they fall off COMPLETLY because it's really a house of cards I find - fragile too. Help!?

[@Setup4Impact]

Hi Charles, For me Moe’s swing was far too unnatural and even after more than 10 years trying I never felt comfortable with it. So I figured out what works best for me and now hit the ball farther and straighter than ever. I have a lot of videos here on KZbin that explain parts of it, or you can get my whole system and my help at setup4impact.com/online/

[@bddwyer]

Would you have to refit the golf clubs doing this instead of a more conventional type swing? Seems like the lie angle will change.

[@Setup4Impact]

The lie angle would be the same as long as your distance from the ball remains the same as before. I have people setup on their impact plane, but the impact plane remains the same. So the club needed is the same. That does not mean though that your clubs fit your existing impact.

[@timon9987]

Hi Kirk where are you located in Germany I am from Belgium i want to learn Setup for impact at you're school

[@Setup4Impact]

Hi Timon, I am now full time in Florida, USA...I will not be back to Germany to teach at all until potentially 2022, but the UK may be possible at some point.

[@Tees_Greens]

Do you do lessons?

[@Setup4Impact]

Hi Bryce, You can find my lesson info at learninggolf.tv/kirk-junge/

[@donmolihan4951]

Kirk what club grips do u use

[@bm1130]

If you look in the chat of the last video I think he names them.

[@Setup4Impact]

JumboMax UltraLite Grips. Love them!!

[@donmolihan4951]

Kirk Junge small medium large xl

[@krisiboren]

Go to jumbo max and will take you through questions to find right size. I went down one size that I was recommend and perfecto

[@kevinlahey8087]

Kirk...where do you buy your grips and what is the Brand? Kevin PS....I live in Ontario Canada.

[@DavidWilliams-or8og]

Came across your golf videos on youtube by accident and started to watch. I had tried the Moe Norman swing before but it did not work for me with any consistency. It felt very awkward. Yesterday I tried to use what you are teaching for a single plane swing around my own swing and what a noticeable immediate difference! I was hitting the ball more solidly, it sounded and felt better off the club and most importantly it went straight and far. I am very impressed with your method Kirk. Tuesday I shot 100 with my swing or what I considered a swing. Yesterday I tried the concepts of your method for the first time and I shot an 89! It has been a long time since I have broken 90 on the course. I am convinced and you have a new convert to this method of achieving a single plane golf swing. Thank you for this method and for making it easy to understand.

[@Setup4Impact]

JumboMax UltraLite Grips.

[@Setup4Impact]

Great to hear David!!! Keep it simple and have fun!!

[@SteveSmith-zz4ih]

Kirk i am getting pain in my Left wrist using the single plane swing, i was wondering if the L/H grip is too weak and upright does that put too much pressure on the wrist? Also why am i hooking the ball so much?

[@Setup4Impact]

The grip is likely too strong and hands possibly too high. Too strong a grip would be closing the clubface. Make sure the right though is not too far under the grip.

[@SteveSmith-zz4ih]

@@Setup4Impact Thanks for the reply, i hit the ball better yesterday, i switched to a 12 deg driver instead of the 9.5, swung easier and lowered the hands a tad, soft forearms. Ended up with some nice drives with no pain, just have to get my long irons sorted on the long par 3's, trying too hard on those. Cheers.

[@billybobtimm1787]

I'm desperate. Spent a half hour in th GolfTec bay practicing..I still can't get it.Haven't leasrned anyrhing.

[@Setup4Impact]

You need to work on impact, and making that perfect. I have a simple set of drills which will show you step by step how to do it. setup4impact.com/online/

[@billybobtimm1787]

@@Setup4Impact I'm kinda old(ish) at 68. Played kinda decent when I was in the Navy (now retired and working for the VA). I have all the equipment I need to build and modify my golf clubs. I'm more than happy to sign op on your website, but I really don't have room in my home for practice, and the weather here in the Chicago area is still really bad. There's a dome nearb, but it's usually pretty crowded at the times I could use it. My biggest problem is still trying to get my hands in front of the ball. It's so frustrating.

[@billybobtimm1787]

@@Setup4Impact I'm looking forward to trying your program, but it isn't exactly a good time for range time here in the Chicago area yet. When it is, I'll definitely be signing up for a couple months at least. Golftec helped, but not nearly enough. I have some forged clubs, a bending machine, and a bunch of JumboMax Ultralite grips. What should I do to start? BTW, even tho I'm almost 68, I still have a full time job working for the VA.

[@billybobtimm1787]

@@Setup4Impact Would it be beneficial to modify my clubs to a more upright lie? I have the ability to do it myself, and I could certainly experiment on my own, but it would be beneficial to have your thoughts on it before I start cranking on my clubs.

[@melantheoszimurri9981]

Why didn’t moe norman have any knee pain

[@Setup4Impact]

I have no way of knowing if Moe had pain or not. He was a very private person. I do however know of many golfers trying to swing like Moe who have had serious problems. One of them needed knee five days of working on the swing.

[@melantheoszimurri9981]

@@Setup4Impact I’ve been doing the graves golf method for about four months. I haven’t lost and distance however I think I like this method better with still being able to turn and straighten the front leg. We will see how it goes. It doesn’t seem like too much of a change

[@scottlyons4462]

Never think you know more then the person you are learning from..you can teach your version of the single plane swing it's a free country. But not following Moe normans mode could be why you never learnd how to hit it straight like moe norman some have made comments on not needing training aid to help and it's just a money grab..I've learned the single plane swing by watching Moe's videos and Todd & Tim graves golf videos..moe was a unique person and masterd the single plane swing ..nobody may ever hit it lije moe.so you thinking you could master it it was not a realistic goal ..im playing better golf then i ever have in the 20 years ive played and im 63 years old...and have zero back knee or hip issues from the single plane swing ..so I'm confused by your comments..im sure your a pretty good instructor but I think I have a better chance of learning the single plane swing from the best ball striker ever to hit a golf ball moe norman videos and Todd & Tim graves who learned from moe personality.have a good day sir

[@Setup4Impact]

Not only did I learn from Moe personally, although he told me "Swing like you, not like me". I also worked with Graves teaching their model as well. Please let me know where you are putting on exhibitions of your ball striking perfection and I will gladly come and watch. I spend my time helping people all over the world improve at golf as quickly as possible. Many of them did try copying Moe for many years, even attending golf schools, and spending a lot of money, with the only results being that they got worse at golf, and many had aches, pains and injuries. I have no doubt that my method is far better for 99% of golfers if their goal is to play better golf as quickly as possible, and to hit the ball farther and straighter than they ever have before. It only took me around 20 years to figure out that copying Moe made me worse at golf. How long will it take other people? I hope not very long, and I am here to help those who seek it. If you are happy I am not sure why you felt the need to post here. Good luck in whatever you choose to do.