Kabane The Christian vs Matt Dillahunty (2)

[@robinvan1983]

this guy thinks that the Illaid is sufficient evidence for miracles performed by the greek gods

[@dudesayingthings]

I'd like to present the textual evidence of Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, and make a case that a miracle happened that an evil demon was slayed but remained around in the form of a spirit...

[@ytxmak]

And in the 'The Hobbit' I was taught that Smaug lives under the mountain. Therefore it's true also.... 'cause it says so in a book and the slime bag creep who calls himself my preacher, he tells me so... ha ha

[@Brammy007a]

I believe!!!!!!!

[@tredzwater]

Tanmay Tikekar - Not to mention that we have far better textual evidence of the reality of Santa Claus than we do of Jesus because we not only have the written account, it isn't anonymous. We have the original monograph and we know the author.Santa is described as "jolly" and "merry". When he laughs, his belly actually shakes. He doesn't rape children; he gives them toys. He doesn't order the slaughter of people whose land he wants to steal; he and Mrs. Claus sit in front of the fire and chat. He doesn't tell people they must HATE their mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers; he's all about good will. He doesn't destroy all the innocent animals on earth; he takes good care of his reindeer, even those with glowing, red noses. He doesn't have a gang of smelly fishermen with whom he wanders around, doing nothing of value; he gives gainful employment to an army of elves whose work brings joy to children, everywhere.And, when he, sadly, must punish a naughty child, he doesn't beat him with a rod or stone him to death or burn him for eternity; he leaves coal in the kid's stocking and gives him a chance to improve the following year. Yeppers, Santa is MUCH better than the Christian god.I should apologize to Santa for the comparison.

[@ytxmak]

tredzwater AND he she or it doesn't care what I do in bed at night, even by myself ha ha. Nice post thanks dude

[@tredzwater]

Ytxmak - Yeah. I've never heard that Santa gives a flip about any sleep-inducing aids, whatsoever. LMAOThanks for the good words. On another note, are you having trouble with KZbin not formatting posts? I always put in paragraphs to make posts easier to read and, the last few days, YT's 'puter is taking those away and running everything together. It doesn't happen on other sites, so I don't think it's my computer doing the nasty.

[@TulliusAgrippa]

Tommy has blocked comments on his video. That says everything that needs to be said. For him discussion is not an option.

[@clayjameson6614]

TulliusAgrippa I'm thinking of starting a website called "CommentsNotDisabled.com" where it's nothing but links to videos that have commenting blocked, and a way to have a discussion about said videos. Why should the poster of a video get to tell the rest of the world: "Sorry folks, I don't want you talking about this topic, in case you are rude or disagree with me." Comments blockers are pathetic cowards.

[@clayjameson6614]

Yeah, it's a great idea and would catch on. I don't know much about reddit, but I know they have named sections (subedits?). Then you could have a browser plugin or something to notify you when you're watching a video that has a discussion about it going on somewhere else. I'm actually a developer working on social media for reals, but I can't tell you where, for security reasons. As if you'd care.

[@clayjameson6614]

+Mario G You just need to find your passion. Everybody gets depressed when there's nothing specific they are getting outta bed to do. For me it's coding. But I also take St.JohnsWart for mood altering, and even expensive testosterone supplements to pump me up. As a last ditch effort, just smoke pot. It's illegal, but can sure depression and other issues. Sorry for turning doctorate on your ass, but I care too. I may contact you under my real identity to let you know what I"m working on "fur reelz", but you won't know it's me.

[@clayjameson6614]

Mario G Just curious. Is depression the root cause, or is social problems causing the depression? Forgive me for prying if it's impolite. Hopefully we are both using fake identity anyway.

[@tulliusagrippa5752]

Clay Jameson Get to it, lad! It's time someone did something like that.

[@terrymckown2441]

"Tommy darling, your dinner is getting cold."......"just a minute Mom!"

[@clif26]

hahaha 🤣 good one

[@Booer]

It’s funny because you think that he’s not well educated, Yet he’s arguing circles around Matt and you’re just a fan boy sucking Matt off

[@erichert1001]

I think "suspending the fundamental laws of physics" is a pretty conservative and minimal standard for classifying a claim as "extraordinary"

[@CronoXpono]

E Richert right!?!? Like if that's not extraordinary, I gotta start living that life man, mine is boring as fuck lol!

[@ptuffgong8504]

Tommy sounds like he's great at parties.

[@puckerings]

William Lane Craig's historical standards are such that the resurrection passes with flying colours? Wow, that's really surprising, Tommy. It's almost like Craig designed his standards with the resurrection in mind or something. Craig is not an honest historian, he's a dishonest "professional philosopher" who says that the universe must have a cause, therefore Jesus.

[@scotzbhoy]

Not once has Craig ever claimed that 'the universe required a cause, therefore Jesus'.

[@puckerings]

scotzbhoy I'm paraphrasing. His beloved cosmological argument is at best an argument for a deist god, and yet he's specifically Christian. It's a big leap that all apologists make, since all of their arguments can apply equally well to some other conception of a god as well.

[@scotzbhoy]

Yes, but he makes no such leap. The Cosmological argument could only prove a deist God, but Craig has never denied this. His arguing for the resurrection of Jesus is completely separate from his arguing for a creator of the universe.

[@puckerings]

scotzbhoy I consider his using even-more-logically-invalid arguments to get from one place to the other to be the leap.

[@scotzbhoy]

Have you even watched any of WLC's stuff? There's no link between the two. He argues, primarily but not exclusively through the Cosmological argument, for a creator of the universe. He also argues, using historical methodology, for the resurrection of Jesus. There is no link between the two lines of argument, no 'leap' is made to get from one to the other because he doesn't attempt to make one follow from the other.

[@corvanlopez5869]

Bro is that really the flying spaghetti monster???, Lol

[@picitnew]

If you are using William Lane Craig as your source you have already lost. If there is anyone even more annoying than Kabane then it's Craig.

[@AlekTrev006]

I completely agree. I could listen to Dr. Craig talk for a long time, compared to hearing Kabane for 5 minutes and finding his mere voice grating and irritating. Also, as Buck points out - Craig is actually a legitimately intellectual and philosophical thinker (in general). Now, we may disagree on some of his conclusions (Kalam, etc) - but the fact he's actually a generally amiable personality (compared to - as Buck notes - people like Ham or the detestable Sye Ten), gives him a level of respectability (as a person) that I would be less willing to extend to many others on the Theistic side.

[@picitnew]

I stand corrected ;) I must have been thinking of someone else.

[@CanadiaNecro1]

Look up the episode "why have an athiest show" if you haven't already. I'm glad they made the show, it's been very helpful to me knowing there are others who think the same way.

[@Chromi711]

Wow. Tommy's whole argument will shatter into pieces with two words spoken by the TV character Dr. House: people lie.

[@JohnIainMcFarlanewaspfactor]

Hitchens put it best."What's more likely?god came down from heaven and impregnated the mother of jesus or A jewish minx told a lie"

[@madmiguelh2o]

@crazy3d true, im just impressed by his command of actual reasoning compared to the people that usually call in.

[@DreddPirateRoberts]

I can't stand this guy's weaselly-sounding voice.

[@CDenic]

***** You think that's bad? Look at his face!

[@DreddPirateRoberts]

***** I'm talking about the caller.

[@CDenic]

***** So am I. Click the link.

[@DreddPirateRoberts]

***** oh...lol

[@avedic]

+Ernie Velveeta No kidding. This guy is absolutely nauseating to listen to; like nails on a chalkboard. But that's not the worst part.....the worst part is his whiny prepubescent self-righteous arrogant _attitude_ and personal character. He's just a flat-out dick. If an atheist spoke and behaved like this...I would call them out as well. I'd be blown the fuck away if this guy has even _one_ friend. He literally makes the _exact same_ stupid unethical claims as the dumber callers....but he does it with even *_more_* righteous arrogance and conceited demeanor. He's pretty much the worst kind of person there is....theist _or_ atheist.

[@bawokoroma]

I would give you a hug for saying something so awesome.

[@suzeynontheist1742]

Comment to christians - "fuck off". Christian's answer - "oh how shall we fuck off oh lord?". Monty Python's Life of Brian 1979. Still says it all.

[@carlpen850]

+Suzey Non Theist --- To this day one of my all time favorite movies, every now & then when I need a good laugh I pull it out & watch it again. I always thought "The Life of Brian" should be mandatory viewing by all high school students in order to get their diplomas. Blessed are the cheese makers... or any other manufacturer of ...

[@suzeynontheist1742]

+Carl Pen Yes fantastic. And it really upset christian high profile clergy of the time, even better! Ground breaking. And btw no one is to stone anyone, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they DO say jehova.

[@JohnIainMcFarlanewaspfactor]

Right on sister!

[@DavidLuce]

I still haven't listened to all in this series, but I can so far say that Kabane is easier to listen to than others who think they have some "killer" argument never before heard, who when stymied, continue to present the same argument more and more forcefully. I get the impression that he's at least *trying* to think!

[@johncraske]

It's a miracle! A blessed miracle, brothers and sisters! And I saw it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears! Yes, a believer called the Atheist Experience - and he managed to string a few intelligible words together and didn't sound as if he was educationally sub-normal! (Ok, what he said was still horseshit, but one can't everything..)

[@ossiedunstan4419]

well he sounded like my grandfather on the shitter with foster runs. he made no sense and gave no evidence , he is believer and you cant fight believers. Can he explain about aboriginal people in Australia the oldest culture on earth and had no religion until 220 years ago. His GOD has never showed himself in Australia ,except to nutcases, who get removed from society so they do no harm.

[@Cavenaggi29]

John Craske real miracle

[@VILeonidasV]

same here. This is a somewhat decent fight, I'm going to continue to watch every part. I really would find it suprising if matt lost this argument.

[@ianm8383]

When Kabane started believing in fairy stories, he gave himself permission to believe in fairy tale proofs.

[@KurtDonaldCobain1994]

Kabane is the best caller I've seen so far.

[@nyvoodoochild]

flying spaghetti monster in the back ground hehehehe

[@JohnIainMcFarlanewaspfactor]

Yeah,absolute undeniable evidence the FSM exists,In later years he even takes up residence on the desk.Proof?Good enough for me.

[@Lashb1ade]

I have to say that this caller knows what he's doing.

[@Booer]

It’s cause atheism is bankrupt

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I don't know what Tommy doesn't get. Textual evidence alone is not sufficient as a historical source; you have to be able to correlate it with other sources. That's why an unsigned, undated luftwaffe pilot's letter is not very useful or reliable compared to an official, signed and dated document. The Bible is an even WORSE document than that. Not only is it anonymous and with no original copies, but it also makes a great number of claims about supernatural events which we know do not happen, and do not correlate with sources other than within its pages (excluding paul's letters, but considering he is evidently a charlatan, even those can be questioned). Any historian worth their salt would dismiss its contents much as they dismiss the mythologies we can find about the greek or roman gods. And they have waaay more evidence than the bible does, considering they have paintings, tapestries, statues, writings, and dedicated temples.

[@BollocksUtwat]

Damian Freeman Tommy probably hasn't been in a proper medieval history class. If you go learn about the say Franks you spend a lot of time analyzing historical documents produced throughout various periods and the entire time the prof is going over how contradictory some things are, talking about how unreliable things are and contrasting the changes made in accounts from one period to another. The entire exercise of analyzing historical documents is not about taking it at face value, its in fact a very deep examination of things like motive, bias, credibility, and so on. Historians therefore piece together the events and decide what seems plausible and not plausible. Its not just a case of taking what one court historian said at face value even if he was alive during the period, which many were not. You can't even get the names of the people who wrote the documents that support the conclusions of history on the wikipedia pages. People that think they understand how determining history works fundamentally underestimate things.

[@bragdale]

Matt's smile in the first minute is just great. heuheuheuheue Is like he is thinking: "oh great, he's 3 years old, what can I do?!?!?!?!"

[@pelgervampireduck]

if a book is extraordinary evidence then harry potter exists, sherlock holmes exists, tom sawyer exists...

[@MarcoArsenault]

@Erseph Nonsense, that's just honesty. Anyone who thinks it's weakness is just a pretentious person who think they can know things for certain when they can most definitly cannot.

[@GetMeThere1]

@bcgonynor : The game of "god's reason for doing things" can be infinite--and with a willingness to make ad hoc additions (like "he can't show/tell people directly, because they have to have free will"), ANY ridiculous claim can be supported. What believers who claim "reason and evidence" can't see is the incredible special pleading their arguments are based on. They are simply BLIND to it.

[@Festias]

Man, this show is hardcore for doing this out of Texas. TEXAS.

[@waevswaevswaevs]

@Bailey828282 different characteristics were selected for in THAT environment. Single celled organisms originated all life on this planet. It goes from simple to complex in a gentle slope of time over millions of years. No sentient force was needed to "put apples and fruits for us to eat" because as complex life evolved it needed more energy to survive and reproduce, so the most advantageous solution is to be able to consume that which naturally occurs.

[@sadakotetsuwan9229]

Depends on what you call 'recent' (and whether you count recent historians writing about ancient mythological characters, or if the character has to be recent, too), and if you would include mythologized versions of real people, like 'Chopped down a cherry tree' George Washington, 'The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere' Paul Revere, and 'Didn't own slaves' Thomas Jefferson. It also depends on if you count creatures like Bigfoot and Nessie as 'people'. Molly Pitcher is the perfect example, though.

[@Snorglat]

@Bailey828282 it is right there fixed in print. Order of creation is specifically laid out using words like "and" and "then", and the order changes from account to account. It is supposed to be accurate, perfect and inerrant right? This is a glaring imperfection of inconsistency, no matter what ad hoc explanations you might try to defend it with. But wait! There's more! Genesis 1:20 - animals made from "the waters"... Genesis 2:19 - animals from "the ground"

[@richardvastine7486]

The moment the caller cited William Lane Craig the caller exposed himself as a sanctimonious fraud.

[@angelthman]

Since records are lost throughout the years, the scenario I meant was one where only one newspaper clipping was found to have survived. Would Matt immediately dismiss it because textual evidence is no enough?

[@sol3a1]

Kabane is a monument to sophistry at its finest.

[@youbetzler]

@AwEoMeGuY1 yeah i suggest you keep learning, it's good that you are coming up with ideas and thinking about it but this idea is pretty outlandish. I suggest looking up the big bang theory and the alternate theories regarding the origins of the universe rather than just making up your own ideas based on what you've experienced so far. I did similar things when i was younger, as you get older you'll learn more and your ideas will get better.

[@maxdoubt9366]

His voice sounds exactly like Tommy Davis, ex-spokesman for the "Church" of Scientology

[@TempleofInanna]

@BigLundi Of course. It's hard to spit out specifics if your not familar with them. Matt did a good job. But if we are honest with ourselves, it wouldn't be a religion at all without the miracles and magic. That is what it is all about! If you remove the mystical elements, then it becomes basic philosophy, and it's no longer special or mysterious.

[@angelthman]

I looked into the names you referenced. I could only find blurb descriptions of books. I haven't read their books, and didn't find what you found. But maybe you can point to paragraphs which support your views. These writers seem to be theists, and may encounter problems in converting people because of early beliefs. But that is a far cry from your extrapolation that by pointing out these missionary obstacles they admit that their own faith is devalued because of childhood indoctrination.

[@xxFortunadoxx]

@readchomsky Exactly. As I stated, it's patently clear that we wouldn't be able to determine which claims were sound and which weren't without ECREE. Take my word for it. There is no legitimate dispute within the Philosophical community about ECREE's usefulness. It is, without a doubt, one of the most important concepts developed by empiricists like David Hume and in some ways Bertrand Russell.

[@phookadude]

The real fact is that zombies were such a common occurance in jerusalem around 30 ad that no one other than matthew bothered to record the day-to-day zombie plauges.

[@xebek]

@FrozenPetrolPie I couldn't agree with you more. And btw, after frozen diesel, frozen petrol is my favorite type of pie.

[@fxsrider]

Matt: Thats not what I'm asking for. Caller: That's what you wanted though.

[@LadyhawkLH]

Matt, I wish I had the same ability to think on my feet that you do. :)

[@BlackHatTy]

I love this show.

[@drussthelegend2046]

So king Arthur has explanatory power and scope under this guys premise

[@frumpman]

no worries.

[@nyarlotep]

One thing is memorization from the point of view of rabbis, but that only presums that the information got to the rabbis in perfect shape from the original witnesses. It has being proven that different persons observing the same occurrances give different testimonies about what happened so is not difficult to see how the original events were changed before they got to be considered as teachings for the rabbis. Susceptibility of error is very easily observed if you think on all the factors.

[@angelthman]

There are multiple writings which account for Jesus. Plus, as Kabane explained, the gospels where individual writings from the era which were later canonized and added to the bible. But the scrolls were originally independent of one another.

[@emirmusinovic7375]

Tommy sounds an awfully lot like a young version of Justin Bass. He even debates like him.

[@jvondd]

He definitely has more patience than I would probably have. I could tell that his patience was really starting to wear thin with Tommy, but he kept it together and tried to explain the absurdity of Tommy's position as slowly and calmly as he could, and yes, for that, Matt deserves a lot of credit.

[@Booer]

You would as an atheist lose your patience because you don’t have anything other than the stale metaphysics that was handed down to you by your bourgeois ideologues

[@jvondd]

@@Booer What a salient point. I believe in God now.

[@angelthman]

(2) continued. As for the atheist who was converted in 15 minutes, I personally believe that she was in fact touched by God that day. Just because Brown decided to "artificially" stimulate her faith doesn't mean that God left the room. Though Darren's intentions were artificial, it caused this woman to truly open her heart to God. And anyone who truly opens their heart to God shall receive him. Hopefully, DB's revelation that it was all a trick didn't ruin this woman's faith later.

[@mikekoz68]

ktc is right that extraordinary claims are subjective, i would just change the wording to "claims that defy the laws of physics"

[@sadakotetsuwan9229]

There's also still the question about whether you would recognize real people who had tall tales built up about them (which would land every Wild West Cowboy Show on the list, all of the Founding Fathers, all of the Nihongi, etc. and would, in either case, also include Molly Pitcher).

[@jamnets13]

I didn't know that. Now he is my emperor,too.

[@weberblau]

@Bailey828282 fully agreed. Just change the phrase about your intelligence to 'Please don't touch our stupidity'

[@FastJohnnyNardGard]

When Tommy is talking about explanatory power and explanatory scope he is very obviously grasping either on something he doesn't fully understand or something he's hoping his opponent doesn't understand enough to rebut. Sadly for him, he's torn to shreds. I do wonder why the debate is cut at times though.

[@angelthman]

Sometimes that's all there is. If science and history were to ignore text because there's too little, then we'd all be in trouble.

[@GhinainanEvNoti]

@shreddakj N.T. Wright" Educated at Sedbergh School, then in Yorkshire, Wright specialised in Classics. From 1968 to 1971, he studied literae humaniores (or "classics", i.e. classical literature, philosophy and history) at Exeter College, Oxford, receiving his BA with First Class Honours in 1971 Just b/c he's a theologian doesn't mean he's not a hisotrian as well!

[@nolobede]

@Nemesis4life3 Knowing one's "stuff" does not make the "stuff" valid. And where in my comment do you interpret it as "lashing out." I simply stated he is very articulate at saying very little. That has nothing to do with getting mad at a person, it has to do with expecting meat when ordering a hamburger.

[@sadakotetsuwan9229]

Yup. There are many books about such things--if you have nothing better to do and enjoy dry reading, you could even read some of the eye-witness accounts of the works of the gods and holy figures of Japan. Hell, I even saw a god--I went to a sumo wrestling match, and the Yokozuna (whose body houses a deity according to Shinto, which is why he wears the ropes and zig-zag papers that you see at Shinto shrines) performed a ceremony in the ring. I also saw portable shrines with gods in them.

[@jacopman]

yes but indirectly.........I didn't try to deconvert her............I came to her with information I was learning about the fallacy of the source and construction of bible manusripts and how shocked I was to learn this...........I shared it with her and she too wondered why the church never explained any of this to us............we both continued to explore biblical scholarship and came to the realization that the church never expands on this knowledge to its congregation.

[@namnack]

Doesn't it intrigue you at all?

[@juliolaredo2307]

when i was in the hospital i saw a rerun of "criminal minds" the characters turned a talked to me. if i wrote it, and wrote about it, wasn't my statement that i was talked to be believed.

[@autaturk]

That historical standard he's talking about is bunk, based on that how can we reject Gilgamesh as a historical record?

[@retrojaxed2]

I watched this a while ago and thought kabana did quite well,i watch it now and realised he got blown up.

[@TempleofInanna]

One thing that Matt forgot to point out is that other holy texts DO assert that miracles happened. Take the old Greek and Egyptian religions, for example. Or the Hindu Bhagivad Gita.

[@airfalcon]

@Nabiki73 To be fair to him, he is great at defending his position.

[@DeeScienceGuy]

We have created amino acids (the building blocks of life) from non life. Look up Miller-Urey experiment. I stated Relativity explained time dilation, not the existence of time. Although time is definitely still an area physicists are still exploring. If you read my words, I said it's plausible, which is exactly what it is. Some evidence points toward it, but there may never be enough to prove it true. I've read "A Universe from Nothing" four times now.

[@angelthman]

I would ask Matt to answer a question. Since he doesn't feel textual evidence is sufficient, would he accept a newspaper clipping from the 1700s as history since there was no video or photography at the time? So if a newspaper from that era made a claim that a strange natural disaster occurred, would Matt dismiss it as insufficient evidence?

[@Feralus69]

No, he's saying upon the review of the current evidence there is no plausible sufficient reason to believe that those miracles happened.

[@Valelacerte]

Kabane's references: William Lane Craig (an Evangelical philosopher), Dr N. T. Wright (The C of E Bishop of Durham), and Prof. Craig A. Evans (Christian Baptist scholar). Isn't this like calling three obese chocoholics to the stand to defend chocolate?

[@clayjameson6614]

WOW. An Atheist Experience video that doesn't have comments blocked. Amazing. Seems like the show itself that publishes most videos doesn't want a discussion to take place and has blocked all comments. Thanks FFreeThinker for your site. Let the games begin!

[@Walterdecarvalh0100]

In every description section of every atheist experience has a link to a comment website where you place your comment on the video, this isint a official atheist experience video that's why it doesn't have a link.

[@clayjameson6614]

Walter Carvalho I know. I'm aware of what you are saying. However, what is really happening is the show wants to be able to control the discussion about their show. If they legitimately wanted to stimulate education and discussion as their primary goal, they wouldn't try to shut down people's ability to discuss in ANY forum. To me they are being big babies. They should just let people have youtube discussions or else just quit posting on youtube. I may start a site called "CommentsNotDisabled.com" which is nothing but a place that allows a discussion on any youtube video where the owner of the video is trying to censor. Blocking comments IS a form of censorship, and the AE show should be ashamed of themselves for being such babies.

[@JohnIainMcFarlanewaspfactor]

I think it's probably better for them to block comments on the show, as being shown weekly the threads would go on forever and there are plenty of ways to contact them and comment.But I will add my thanks to FFreeThinker for giving us the chance to let rip.

[@jacopman]

As a former born again Christian of 40 years I was there once.......I trusted all the expert apologists defenses and kept believing... ......but my scientific education began to shed light on what I couldn't unlearn........and in my heart of heart in the back of my mind the doubt was present..I wanted to remove all doubt and undertook an exhaustive study of biblical scholarship to find the source and construction of the canon of God's word.........that was the beginning of the end..(continued)

[@AlexandriaPierreEtienne]

You gota give the kid some credit...he tried c'mon give him a break lol. He did better than most of the older callers

[@raynoobkac]

this was probably one of the Matts most hardest debates ever hahaha

[@markfullbrighton5070]

I don't think so. If you took away all the "sophisticated rhetoric", he didn't actually present an argument. He merely whined the whole time because Matt's standard of evidence is different than his.

[@Phi1618033]

As an historian all I can say is the historicity of past events is established through corroboration across multiple and, ideally, independent sources. For example, we can be confident that Socrates existed, because not only did Plato write about him but so did Xenophon and Aristophanes. With Jesus' "miracles," the only source we have are the Gospels, which conflict in many particulars. If there were other independent accounts of said miracles, e.g. by Jewish scholars, that would be something.

[@TomPark1986]

Matt handled himself brilliantly here.

[@rattlehead9127]

Exactly. Dating the piece is crucial, as well. If we had several texts from Romans or Jews that corroborated the Resurrection then that event's occurrence would be more credible; however, since these other texts do not exist, belief in the Resurrection is completely unjustifiable.

[@Arrakiz666]

Even if historically a miracle occured, it doesn't mean it actually occured.

[@jehovahbackwards]

So, would this guy consider Herodotus an unassailable historical source?

[@TheTenshitobias]

but not if you read about it...

[@craze1701]

The kid should be a politician. He jumps around an answer, and throws words in his opponent's mouth.

[@MagorianAx]

It would not matter if the account of the miracle was written down a second after the event by an eye witness. Such an account would not be evidence that a miracle occurred. Ask yourself the question, "Is it more likely that the laws of nature were suspended, or that the witness was under some misapprehension?" And the more hearsay you add in, the more conviction you must add to the question.

[@Dubonjierugi]

Y'know, considering everything the christian guy said (and I a devout agnostic and who completely and 100% agrees with Matt), I admit that he knows how to argue and that it seemed that at points, it even seemed apparent that Matt had to think before being able to react at times. All I'm saying is that for a christian, this tommy guy actually knows his own side and how to argue unlike the majority of christians. I find that amazing.

[@DeeScienceGuy]

I can't answer for him, but I imagine he would answer something like: If a strange natural disaster occurred, it could be found in multiple places and not a single newspaper clipping. It would have had several witnesses and been written about in multiple places.

[@MarxistKnight]

He asked earlier what contradictory claims would he believe in and arrogantly accused Matt of not being to provide an example, well what about believing in evolution and the Big Bang, which are explicitly contradictory to the claims in the Bible, which he purports to believe. He has also demonstrated that in fact he does find scientific evidence more valid than text if he believes the scientific conclusions over theological claims, even if he won't admit it

[@9Masterpiece0]

I was referring to Kabane the Christian.

[@MythicalManMoth]

@bvsandman You show what you think is evidence, it just doesn't live up to scrutiny. The dead sea scrolls you mention, are vague. In some places they just mention a number without clarifying whether it means days/months/years and so on. If you look into the interpretations you'll see each religion believes it satisfies their own prophecies, which happened on completely different dates!

[@SpanerMagnet]

the difference is frame of reference. the caveman and me come from different experiences and times. you are right, the extraordinary for him is ordinary for me. your analogy is lacking in that it fails to take into account that atheists and theists exist in the same frame of reference, where miracles ARE extraordinary (admittedly by both sides) and therefore require extraordinary evidence.

[@MagnusNyborg]

@haycockjeff exactly, not only are they not missing, they are everywhere.

[@Periph1989]

@Bailey828282 First of all, the video that you are watching now on the KZbin channel "FFreeThinker" was NOT put up by Matt Dillahunty. The Atheist Community of Austin, which is responsible for the creation of the Atheist Experience show, does NOT have a KZbin channel. Every clip of the show is posted to KZbin by fans of the show, and are edited probably because of length. You can go to the ACA's website to see ALL the shows. 2ndly, Matt clearly won this debate. (continued)

[@Hectic00]

You need a special jesus antenna helmet, I think. the magic necklace helps too, when trying to communicate with the non-existent

[@nailo1]

weird thing i google explainatory scope and it's only something that craig talks about no one else

[@BEOWULF9965]

Ironically historians still use scientific study to verify the accuracy of historical documents or the authenticity of archaeological findings

[@village1diot]

one word to kabane..."Decaf"

[@mattanderson4965]

I don't pay attention much to the background of the show but there's a flying spaghetti monster reaching towards Adam or Adamu lulu.

[@waevswaevswaevs]

@Bailey828282 The earth was a molten planet, with massive amounts of burning hydrogen and oxygen on its surface, which is why we now have oceans, and an oxygen rich atmosphere. As oceans formed the conditions were primed to originate life, this occurred (how life originated is unknown at this time, but that doesn't mean it requires a supernatural explanation), and natural selection began its work. The organisms most fit to survive lived on, and as they moved into different environments,

[@vids721]

I have to say out of all the videos I've seen for AE, this guy is the best Theistic defender. Obviously, he's wrong (haha) but he made some really excellent remarks and I acknowledge his intelligence...especially when he said he whole-heartedly accepted Evolution and Big Bang...if only all theists were half as intelligent as him, these debates would be as interesting as this one.

[@CarlEusebius]

He's a good debater. He doesn't say that directly, but what he does say is structured so that it sounds that way if you don't listen very carefully. That way, most people who hear it will take it the way he wants them to take it, but when called on it, he can say he didn't actually say that. What he actually said was that Wright and Evans use the standards of respected mainstream historians to conclude that the Jesus miracles happened, not that they themselves are mainstream historians.

[@aotua1033]

Santa was based off St Nick, they were not the same person. Another good example of that would be St Patrick, was he real? That's up for debate, but there are plenty of story books that tell of what he did.