Kabuki Strength Kratos Flywheel Review: Dual-Axis Home Gym Training?!

[@GarageGymReviews]

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[@amunra69]

Great review, except for mispronouncing Kratos 😂

[@JustinRHerder]

Great review! I’m entered!🤞

[@johnsotelo3125]

Coop could you do reviews on arsenal strength equipment.

[@Nick-we6rd]

Can tell Coop never played God of War with the way he pronounces “Kratos”

[@KenanTurkiye]

He doesn't play games, he dead lifts 1000 lbs.

[@robertflores1201]

@@KenanTurkiye he falls through ceilings

[@KenanTurkiye]

@@robertflores1201 lol

[@jwarawrr1811]

@@KenanTurkiye why not both lol

[@DoubtingThomasTestsEverything]

@@KenanTurkiye Silly mortal. Coop deadlifts over 9k!!!

[@ratchat123]

If you get both this and a concentric trainer like maxpro portable gym, you can train both eccentrics and concentrics like a normal cable pulley system but for 5 times the price

[@steverapos3904]

Maybe one day these flywheel training systems will come on more practical forms at reasonable prices - but for now a cable system is much more practical. The MAXPRO is almost there (except missing the eccentric and still over priced).

[@ratchat123]

@@steverapos3904 if these become popular I suspect the price will drastically go down since the maxpro is like a rope start and similarly flywheels are used in all sorts of cheap machines, they can't be hard to mass produce once the companies get the design down and have good demand.

[@matthewhurts2445]

I think the Handy Gym is a better comparison. The only issue is it's noisy, but it's much more compact and portable, can be mounted in different positions and is significantly cheaper ($800-$1700).

[@energyrecoveryinc.1157]

I'm surprised with some of the negative reviews. I was so impressed with the kzbin.infoUgkxMwYg0MOXR4M-oGeyBsNSYe1aPOUoRH6D cage that I got the lat pulldown attachment that goes with it. It is equally outstanding. I don't have one complaint other than putting it together is a job. The instructions and packaging of the parts are very well designed and organized. Also, I stripped and damaged the pull down cable the first day, admitting it was my stupid fault, and they quickly replaced it at no charge. I'm 6'5, 280lbs and fit in the cage just fine. Glenn B

[@danedavidson]

I'm thinking of rigging up a DIY wall mount system and using the "vertical" kbox for horizontal resistance. I've seen people put them upside down on a rack and use it for lat pulldowns.

[@richards6431]

This would be great for astronauts in space. As for me I just want Kabuki to have a reasonable lead time for their bars.

[@higherlifts420]

You can't even order their power bar lol

[@lukea2806]

Or decent shipping costs. But no. Astronaut workout it is

[@areyoukidding15]

16 weeks for their squat bar is too long of a wait? It is literally faster to plant corn and have it grow than for kabuki to get their transformer bar out. Lol.

[@alejander456]

Reasonable led time on anything. I feel like that should be a given

[@richards6431]

I am assuming they charge you right away and not when they ship your equipment. If so that is BS.

[@rileybeecroft399]

I actually have had one of these in my dorm room. In my opinion its an extremely good supplement for barbells when space and/or time are limited.

[@sportzajent]

What was the brand of the one you had in your dorm?

[@GarageGymReviews]

Absolutely agreed!

[@sportzajent]

@@GarageGymReviews looks like Handy Gym more than doubled the price of these recently. What a shame. It would’ve been a truly great budget option.

[@rileybeecroft399]

@@sportzajent it was a Kratos

[@ddmirolli]

"Tell me you're not a gamer, without telling me you're not a gamer." Coop, "Kraw-toes"

[@ratchat123]

Do console plebians count as gamers though?

[@JunglersWithoutSmite]

According to google the actual mythological character is pronounced "Kraw-toss".

[@lonnie3337]

@@JunglersWithoutSmite lmfao no it isn’t. I literally just google searched it. “Kray-towz.”

[@JunglersWithoutSmite]

@@lonnie3337 If i enter "kratos pronunciation" I get one of Googles own pronunciation examples. No clue why it doesnt show up for you. Edit: actually kraytos is only american. You can swap to it separately via a drop down menu.

[@squatcurldeadlift7346]

@@lonnie3337 Kratos isn't pronounced "kraytoes" in Greek, that's not how the language works

[@Tain950]

I’m pretty sure I could stimulate the same muscles by using other gym equipment that doesn’t cost as much as this. It’s a Huge pass for me

[@danielporter6394]

Yeah what is the market for these. Some one who has space for a home gym equipment and a few thousand dollars but refuses to spend 1/4 to 1/2 of that money on a selectorised cable machine? I like it as an option and as a creation but I just don't get it.

[@cpw2k217]

Agreed, it's hard to beat a good simple power rack, some weights and a bar. Add a bench and you can work almost any body part. And you would still save a ton of money.

[@henrikschnulle2483]

@@danielporter6394 I guess if you live in an apartment and noise is an issue, this might do the trick. So for me it would've been an excellent solution for deadlift during lockdown, if not for the price.

[@backwoodsbrooksknives4625]

Flywheels like this are used primarily to build speed and power in a slightly safer way than with a bar. With the flywheel squat the harder you drive the harder it is where as with a barbell the harder you drive the easier it is with a reasonable weight. It allows you to exert more force than you could safely with a bar because the resistance changes with how much you put into the flywheel where as a bar is loaded to the weight it is loaded at and thats it. Flywheels do have their place for people who want to get the most power out of their bodies as they can if they want to use it and have the money to drop on these systems.

[@Fondrom]

The amount of misinformed people is incredible, yes you DONT NEED flywheel trainers, but you DONT NEED basic cable systems, resistance machines, treadmills either. These things are a convenience to use. If I have a home gym, or personal training studio. Am I going to invest in a large chunky cable apparatus, or sets dumbbells and bars? I'm obviously going to go for the latter. Am I going to invest in a small, portable, research-driven peice of equipment that makes me stand out in my market? Yes! The science behind equipment like this is appealing, and it offers a different stimuli to the muscle than what you are generally used to.

[@truthundertension]

It’s Krātos with a long A homie! Enjoyed every bit of the vid, but you was killin me with that pronunciation😂😂. Side note: I know you’ve never played God of War given the way you pronounced Kratos…you should try it out!

[@illi426]

He pronounce it german ;-)

[@medicmike7549]

It’s not “was” killing me, it’s “were”. Get your life together, this is Merica’, we don’t conform.

[@gaurilla]

I’ll wait for the Kabuki Atreus.

[@Asymmetrical.athlete_]

THANK YOU! holy shit I wanted to choke him

[@gaurilla]

Coop be like: AT REE US

[@mach5jeep]

A flywheel, axle, bearings, and a rope shouldn't cost this much....ever

[@danielporter6394]

I get you in theory but it's obviously more complex and expensive to produce than you'd think otherwise there would be cheaper versions available. There is a massive amount of energy that builds up in a fly wheel so any amount of unbalance could make it shake or break which would be very dangerous.

[@gmelliot19]

Can you make video comparing KBox, Kratos Compact, and StrexBox? What’s the best fly wheel platform?

[@Leonidas-eu9bb]

Strexbox has probably the best price to performance ratio but there are even better ones not so popular.

[@davidroseborough]

I wish you would do a review on the exxentric go pulley. It’s way more flexible and connects to your rack and I can imagine you can do some pretty sweet gym hacks with it.

[@WakeSideLife]

I've shot a 3D printed gun... Get used to the idea that 3D printing can be highly durable and reliable. You're gonna see it more and more.

[@turboturd7954]

wow if u say so....

[@gangstalker47]

@@turboturd7954 You can use many different materials to 3d print. Lmao

[@JurassicJolts]

Print shoot repeat

[@darthrex354]

I've already 3d printed a bunch of non or semi-weightbearing parts for my mini gym and they all worked. Secret is all in the material used and the slicer settings. On the other end 3d printed guns tend to fail after 300 rounds or so so they are not the best example.

[@ericcartmansstrengthandpow5960]

You're that guy with stickers of 3D printed guns in the back window of your truck and tow mirrors extended when you don't own a trailer. Nobody here thinks you're kew, go ahead and move along.

[@ActionJettJackson]

My favorite fly wheel trainer on the market! It's so versatile with both the floor and vertical mount. Love the engineering that went into this.

[@neilpollack3514]

Have you actually tried it? Have you tried any of the others for comparison? I have only tried the Kbox Pro so far. I bought it when the lockdown started.

[@ActionJettJackson]

@@neilpollack3514 aside from one that I made myself, I've used this one, the original kbox and the versapulley. Definitely enjoy not being so high off the floor like with the kbox and the having the option for the vertical attachments makes it that much more versatile.

[@dondecaprio4637]

Coop, Great review (as always). Is there any indication that Kabuki will include anything akin to kMeter for it any time soon? It seems that all the athletes with whom I work kick it up a notch when their peak power is announced on every rep on the kBox or kPulley.

[@jasoncowley7228]

Yep. I think duffin said so on his Instagram post

[@Matt-ku8yj]

Coop, huge fan of the reviews. Figured I might give some input on the 3D printed parts. At the moment, the lead times for molding, materials, electronic components and essentially anything that revolves around manufacturing is extremely long. The process to mold or injection mold also takes a fair bit of time as it is not as cut and dry as sending a model and having it produced. Injection molding, even small components, will run thousands of dollars at minimum. Since this is a first iteration (and a whole new concept for the company), 3-D printing this sort of a part is the most efficient method as 3-D printing is making leaps and bounds in quality over the last couple of years. If this product does well, I would expect small parts like this to be the first thing changed and will most likely become a upgrade package for any 1st generation adopters. No affiliation to kabuki, just an engineering gym bro seeing the struggles of manufacturing in todays climate. Also depending on the printing material, bead blasting the final print would blend in a layering to conceal the manufacturing method. Keep on keepin' on!

[@peacefulgungfu]

Thanks for the review - what a surprise to see this. Due to the high costs of these systems, I ended up recently getting a Kynett One for the horizontal, and waiting for the Strexbox for vertical. This one would have been interesting.

[@nicholasrocco5084]

How do you like the kynett? The Strexbox dimensions seemed a little small, wish they had a bigger box.

[@peacefulgungfu]

@@nicholasrocco5084 it works okay for me but I have not been using the eccentric training as much recently

[@Leonidas-eu9bb]

how is the strexbox working?

[@Thecrappinator_45]

Can't be doing these reviews in front of those watson dumbbells I cant stop looking at them lmfao

[@joenunez-i5g]

Damn coop getting so jacked the ceiling can't handle his mass

[@GarageGymReviews]

It's a real problem. 😁😂

[@MarcSP]

Hi! Thanks for all the reviews! I’ve a question: is it available with encoder?

[@zombieslayerII]

Do the straps ever get tangled up? I feel like they would start folding in on themselves…? Otherwise, looks cool

[@rambojohn7118]

Coop , what are the dimensions of the platform?

[@billbrownley5335]

Just wondering if you have or will review the Kynett home trainer? At 449.00, if legit, much mor affordable and possible to add than any of the trainers (unless you are willing to order from Ali-Baba).

[@jordanbachynski8054]

Have you heard about the versapulley? They have a version that is mobile and attaches to a 3x3.

[@andersbjrnsen7203]

Whats the point of this type of resistance as opposed to normal weight magazines??

[@futbol1972]

Can this replace my rhino belt squat?? I have a bad knee do to sports (arthritis) and Rhino makes my knee very sore for days so I was wondering if squating with a flywheel will be better?

[@k.s.2392]

Difference between this and Kbox ???

[@shreechanchitrakar1174]

With all this equipment,, just want to ask?? Do u even lift bro???

[@spiffleable]

Holy shit your subs have exploded. Congrats!

[@Rich_Lahman]

Coop was looking for more room for gym equipment in the attic?

[@GarageGymReviews]

If you run out of space make an attic gym.

[@Rich_Lahman]

@@GarageGymReviews you might be on to something there.

[@15minuteworkout20]

Great video, Coop. I can’t believe no one told you how to pronounce Kratos though

[@bobbyrogulski9340]

Coop described Kabuki product as budget friendly lol. If that doesn't show how niche this training modality is I don't know what does.

[@johna9168]

ME: Yes i want it. WIFE: Stop watching coop. :)

[@GarageGymReviews]

I tend to cause that reaction quite often 😂

[@cameronmccoy5051]

Watching Coop is MUCH cheaper than having a wife. Unfortunately having a wife is usually cheaper than getting rid of a wife... 😒

[@gregors00]

Alright Coop, where’s the kettlebell shirt from?

[@washknowledge]

Need a NSFW tag with that blood on the shin Coop. Didn't expect that kind of gore.

[@jaynub8]

little bit of blood never hurt anyone

[@satinderjit4]

@@jaynub8 that’s what she said

[@joecowan3719]

Thanks Coop, awesome review! Love the idea of it being on a platform, I just wish I did not have to dedicate the footprint of a squat rack for it. I need more room!

[@devin3863]

You can attach this version to the wall as well

[@backwoodsbrooksknives4625]

3d printed parts don't bother me. Just so long as Kabuki makes the stl files available to those who have a broken piece and a 3d printer.

[@Kit2KatBar]

Oh! Can't you get your hands on another similar system called the Handy Gym? It looks promising but would love your opinion on is on it!

[@meshengle100]

I got a Handy Gym. It’s awesome that I can take it anywhere and do everything with it. However, there is a learning curve and it looks like the company just increased the price of the product pretty dramatically to compete with these other flywheel mechanisms. I’d also love to get Coop’s thoughts on it.

[@sportzajent]

@@meshengle100 what were the prices before the increase?

[@meshengle100]

@@sportzajent I believe you can still get the full Handy Gym Dynamic for $1399 on Amazon. That was the original price.

[@gtthobart5632]

Bro where did you get that dumbell and weight plate rack behind you???

[@richfield10]

What’s the story on the UConn dumbbells? As an graduate, I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a piece of equipment more. Great review as always

[@NickSiekierski]

He did a vid earlier this year about how he bought out a bunch of their weights when they were upgrading their gym. Tons (literally) of Eleiko bumper plates, kettlebells, dumbbells, etc.

[@rajandhillon4836]

Could this be used as a belt squat as well?

[@devin3863]

Absolutely, with spud belt squat belt and or front harness.

[@GarageGymReviews]

Absolutely, we tested it as a belt squat.

[@victorquezada9357]

@@GarageGymReviews would this be a good replacement for squatmax md? Would use primary for squats. Garage is running out of room.

[@MrEazyE357]

So Coop, the garage is getting full. Please send me some stuff! I'm struggling over here.

[@hectoraponte2649]

Saludos. Vi un anuncio de Bruce Timothy products donde Coop aparece promocionando los adjusted dumbells por un precio de menos de 100.00 con entrega incluida. Deseo saber si este anuncio es correcto o es falso( fake). Agradezco su orientacion. Lo hice en español ya que en inglés se me hace un poco difícil. Gracias

[@neilpollack3514]

Falso!

[@claypeng2496]

Not surprised your ceiling couldn’t hold 300 lbs of pure contractile tissue

[@rutatutut]

Drywall isn’t rated for 6’7” dudes with 800# deadlifts.

[@GarageGymReviews]

I don't think about how jacked I am when I do everyday things.

[@1calebparker]

What would be the appeal of this to someone with free weights and dumbbells/kettlebells? What is the training method/goal with it

[@andersbjrnsen7203]

Wondering the same, cant really see a point of this thing🤔

[@knutbk]

Can the wall mount bar be installed higher up or must it start at floor level? Also, seems like you can perform more stable vertical movements compared to other industry entries due to the larger base which is at floor height.

[@chubbie888]

You can install the wall mount higher. It doesn’t need to be sitting on the floor.

[@aqpntr1]

Please review the SQUATZ Apollo Board

[@Max-fh6ht]

You could buy a cable machine and have cash left over for the same price

[@1882dmac]

100% agree, it's not worth the price. Regardless of the marketing. It's fools gold imo.

[@josephcarroll6356]

Shit Costco inspire ftx functional trainer you could buy 2 of them.

[@jacobdameron3203]

A cable machine is not the same thing honestly. Look up the studies done on flywheel training. A cable is set at certain weight and in order to change tension you have to set the pin in between sets, this is not the case with the flywheel. For cable systems you must decelerate towards the end range which costs when attempting to develop power, that is mainly what the benefit of the flywheel over cable systems is. I would suggest checking out the independent studies done on this type of training.

[@MudPig6110]

Can you use it for lat pulldowns?

[@selfcritical]

Does it have the ability to do speed or wattage read outs to an app?

[@NittoNba44]

Maybe they will make a $3500 version that does but I don't think many people would invest that much money. All it is, is a "pulley system" that uses a flywheel which feels pretty bad compared to a cable and pulley system

[@futbol1972]

Thats different than this one right?? KRATOS EVO - DUAL-AXIS INERTIAL TRAINING

[@weehooherod]

Is there isometric / eccentric resistance or just concentric resistance?

[@bryanmau2491]

I just got the Kratos. I’m my opinion, the eccentric, is the most difficult part of the repetition.

[@seanconnors7390]

Will absolutely never understand why people buy kabuki. Sorinex prices but rep quality. Over 3 grand after tax and shipping for that? Hell no

[@bmstylee]

But what about the sagittal plane?

[@zachkieri1185]

Duffin’s next product will be “Kratos: God of Whiskey”

[@lakenyalove1223]

I NEED THAT SHIRT !! ASAP Kettle Bell 💪🏽🔥

[@dic4]

“A big knob. It really feels good in hand”.

[@Styrkur13]

All that money and they can’t include the harness and the belt? 🙄

[@mzthomas95]

Me: maybe I should look into Kabuki more Wife: what the hell is Kabuki? Is that some type of anime 😅😂

[@GarageGymReviews]

😂 valid question though.

[@krypticzisback]

Can you reply me with a link to how to build the base for the kabuki fly wheel?

[@kevjay-med1225]

The price is pretty unfathomable. For that price I can have a rack, bench, bar, weights, and accessories. Do you really think that this can replace weights? Coup, we want honesty.

[@BasementBrandon]

Have not watched nor used, but this just seems like a waste to me. Interested to hear your thoughts.

[@FutureDMZ]

Why not just get a cable column??? I love kabuki i have all their specialty bars but this just feels pointless.

[@MillennialPatriot]

just chillin here swole from my $25 resistance bands kit

[@SimonLi]

I feel like this is a very niche type of equipment

[@littleratblue]

For a home gym, a space conscious everything machine is a pretty giant niche.

[@SimonLi]

@@littleratblue when you put it that way haha

[@OfficialMarkZuckerberg]

Anyone with a 3D printer knows how incredibly durable printed parts are. That's not a concern in the least.

[@fallingleaveskungfu]

If you wear Birkenstocks you deserve whatever you get...

[@GarageGymReviews]

I feel this in my soul.

[@fallingleaveskungfu]

@@GarageGymReviews 🤣🤣

[@NicholasMavrikBrandt]

so I run a 3D printing shop, I can assure if they printed correct with the right material, that plastic will outlive you, specially your joints as you seem to like kicking your ceiling.

[@eds_take]

Just clicking kabuki + Flywheel made my credit card auto decline

[@tonystyles21]

Torn ACL is no joke

[@matthewsydoruk1798]

I know nobody cares, but shouldn't this be marketed as like a "home gym replacement" thingy? I mean you can realistically do every single body part bar none with this thing here.

[@SoullessPolack]

Not glute bridges :(

[@sagaking9736]

LOL when Kabuki is called budget-friendly. I will buy one if Titan can make the combo for $600

[@bmstylee]

Titan and products that need to be engineered properly don't mix. Look at their belt squat to see what happens when they don't copy others.

[@viscousgoo2021]

*This looks like something Ivan Drago would use* during a Rocky IV training montage. I'm no Commie.

[@pastorguerry8102]

Is this how Duffin squatted 1k+ for reps?

[@petree]

This looks cool

[@GarageGymReviews]

It is a cool product for sure.

[@lesfeckingo]

“KRAWTOES” Dude.

[@marc416]

please tell me the stash is fake........................

[@GarageGymReviews]

Oh absolutely not 100% me!

[@Zuman1988]

Cool, but I don’t think I’d personally use it.

[@joenunez-i5g]

It'd be awesome if they made a rower attachment that gives you a sliding seat and foot straps so you can use this as a rower

[@NittoNba44]

Dude it's already $2500 how much do you want to pay for it?

[@joenunez-i5g]

@@NittoNba44 I mean hopefully it'd be optional, but if it cost a few hundred dollars it'd still be a good value since nice rowers can cost around $1000

[@GarageGymReviews]

That would be a pretty cool upgrade.

[@nicholasrocco5084]

Try that idea with a total gym.

[@Chris-ni2pc]

nice

[@GarageGymReviews]

👊

[@KenanTurkiye]

I dont know. I know they aren't a direct rival but the Tonal is a thing I'd like to own rather than any of these.

[@neilpollack3514]

Tonal is good if you deadlift only 200 pounds. The flywheel is enough resistance for Chris Duffin. The man squats 1000 pounds for reps.

[@KenanTurkiye]

@@neilpollack3514 My preference is more along the lines of bang for bucks. The Tonal seems more of a smarter buy.

[@neilpollack3514]

@@KenanTurkiye It is "smarter" if you don't need to lift more than 200 pounds, it's useless if you do. Each device has a market that it's suited for.

[@KenanTurkiye]

@@neilpollack3514 You are right but I wasn't clear in what I meant I guess. My contention is that Tonal offers so much more, in such a companct package and seems well built too, yes expensive, and with it you can always do low cable squats if squats are a priority. With this, you nearly only do squats and pay a hefty lot too. Yes I'm comparing apples and oranges, but its a subjective need perspective I was expressing.

[@codyd6385]

A used functional trainer cost 1/2 the price and has 1000x more options.

[@fiderdvis4714]

Exxentric is ridiculous expensive

[@neilpollack3514]

If you think it's expensive, when the gyms first shut down for covid, I paid to have it shipped by FedEx. That was expensive.

[@fiderdvis4714]

@@neilpollack3514 Man I feel you brotha but now you have a great piece of training equipment. Happy trainings!!

[@tremerefury]

Clearly Coop has never played the God of War games, or he'd know how to pronounce Kratos. Lol.

[@cancontrl]

$500-750 k in that garage. What are you going to do with all that equipment. Jeeeesus

[@GP-fc7jv]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@GarageGymReviews]

👊

[@theyoungkcity]

Similar layout to versapulley.

[@plmn93]

Birkenstocks? That never would have happened with New Balance 624s. Just sayin'.

[@GarageGymReviews]

Dad shoes do provide more stability. 😁

[@joenino125]

Does that moustache mean you're a Viltrumite?

[@ryanw1284ryansrants]

Link has been flagged by bitly as potentially harmful?? just FYI

[@onecreative1]

Coop...if you say "like" one more time...

[@SimpHarderPlz]

Save some mustache for the rest of us

[@avinashtyagi2]

Kabuki Kratos vs Rep Ares

[@ducdu4136]

At those price I rather get a cable machine. Who’s the target audience?

[@NittoNba44]

Very good question

[@neilpollack3514]

This takes up a lot less space than a barbell and squat rack. I have the Exxentric Kbox Pro in my apartment and I can just stick in the closet when I finish my workout.

[@NittoNba44]

@@neilpollack3514 takes up the same amount of space as a cable pulley machine with one difference. Cable pulleys actually feel good. These flywheel systems feel so unnatural and are dog shit to train with

[@NittoNba44]

@@neilpollack3514 I would rather just put $3000 in the closet than that POS

[@neilpollack3514]

@@NittoNba44 It sounds like you haven't had the opportunity to experience a good flywheel. I feel for you, bud.

[@fundyproductions5927]

Kabuki is going all god of war now?

[@franciscocv1995]

For me the price said not for me

[@AaronFromYT]

0% chance I'm paying $2600 for gym equipment with 3d printed plastic. This is going to flop.

[@stephenmillar8375]

The vertical looks like a hassle.

[@hby7768]

so the inventor is a god of war fan?