Kaizen Tampa || Dutch style low kick vs Muay Thai low kick

[@grave7948]

I’m just impressed with how many high level fighters and champion coaches are right here in the comment section -_-

[@garvwadhwaney306]

I like the Muay Thai style low kick more. It's got more power.

[@xoPRECISEox]

It does have more power however it's telegraphed which makes it easier to block. A strike hurts the most when you don't see it coming.

[@garvwadhwaney306]

@@xoPRECISEox I agree, but you can clearly lull someone else into a false pattern. You can low kick someone twice, and if they check it twice, sweep them the third time.

[@xoPRECISEox]

​@@garvwadhwaney306 they are both good kicks. The muay thai style low kick is a long range kick. The Dutch low kick is a close range kick. All high level fighter's thai and Dutch use both kicks in fights.

[@utarian7]

You gotta set it up with punches@@xoPRECISEox

[@no-lp5xz]

Some people hit harder with Dutch style low kick than a muay thai style low kick, it depends on the person entirely

[@francoislandry6284]

I still use both

[@kalinakalina1]

Do not x your legs after the kick...

[@larrynguyen5864]

Yes you can if your Intention is to cut off your opponents angle. It’s not wrong it just depends on context. “Do not x your legs after the kick…” is a true statement but only if the intention was to 1) train a beginner 2) if someone intentionally wanted to do it

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

You can break every single beginner's rules if you're good enough and when the situation asked you to do it

[@nimascolari1508]

We did these sessions where they'd put ink powder on our heels and any time our heel prints were on the floor we'd get pasted. Stay on toes regardless of your lick preference.

[@owenwright4927]

I think I remember seeing Dekkers low kicks it was so loud I think he used the Muay Thai style low kick it took a lot of time to generate but when it landed it hurt for sure

[@stephenellis6601]

Solid work.

[@hanspeter7748]

Shouldn't cross legs! Also very immobile hips. To much weight on backfoot and bad angle, so you get sweept very easy as a counter attac

[@ozeflvsh4522]

Youre doing a very particular muay thai low kick (STILL EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE). The traditional kick has no 45° step, you rotate on your foot and turn your hip all the way over to send the kick through your target. Dont listen to me though im just an observer DO YO MFKING THANG HOMIE 🤘🏾🥊

[@David-ty5jk]

If ur right ur right tho, always speak facts as long as they are missing from the equation and you aren't targeting anybody innocent to harm

[@maxrey4055]

I think the pivot on foot is only for round kicks to the body or head. Low kick as 45° step.

[@chimwemwesinkala4402]

@@maxrey4055 thanks, I'm new to muay thai and this was what I needed.

[@calebdixon1600]

Huh???

[@IlyuuJrry34]

​@maxrey4055 he's talking about when muay thai didn't have any Western influence (dutch)

[@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96]

Basically Kyokushin leg kicks

[@maxrey4055]

Kyokushin more snap for speed and less torque from the hips as Dutch

[@goncalorodrigues2655]

stepping to the right side with his left foot first 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@rarelyaccurate6252]

Looks good, don't skip leg days

[@johnboylan3832]

Your insecurity is shining through.

[@AlwaysDiamonds]

@@johnboylan3832 is mine?

[@KyleKylemont]

Don't need to be a girly body builder to whoop ass. Rather have pain tolerance and fight ability than obsess over male bodies.

[@santiagoleon5313]

@@KyleKylemont yes men, martial arts is best

[@PedroMadureira25]

@johnboylan3832 with those legs he might broke his leg bones if the kick get checked. Doing leg workout don't only increase muscle mass but also increase bone density.

[@isaacmunoz272]

Finally, some good music!👍

[@waedjradi]

👍

[@RedRiot-v7f]

Dutch style 🤌

[@markadams2452]

Lethwei Low kicks are far superior

[@ALTBX]

Lethwei is just muay thai with headbutts...

[@parisiennemoonlight6650]

Muay Thai >>>. Dutch KB. K1 rules, Glory Rules are designed for Dutch style KB and are not the purest and effective expression of striking like Muay Thai.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Is muay thai the best kick boxing

[@parisiennemoonlight6650]

@@jmgonzales7701 Yes

[@David-ty5jk]

No k1 is just striking and Dutch kickboxing has everything Muay Thai doesn't, while still having it

[@David-ty5jk]

@@jmgonzales7701 try Dutch kickboxing. Even real Muay Thai fighters with steel shins from Thailand suffered their first losses from Dutch kickboxers more specifically Ramon Deckers who is the Mike Tyson of K1 Kickboxing and Traditional Muay Thai and dominated in both rules both in Thailand and everywhere else.

[@parisiennemoonlight6650]

@@David-ty5jk Ramon Dekkers lost around 36 fights in his career , 23 of which came from the Thai fighters. He won around 18 fights against the Thais. He went 2 - 2 with Coban. So stop exaggerating that he destroyed all the thai fighters he fought. You can only name Ramon who did well with Thais but I can name endless Thai fighters the likes of Samart, Sagat ,Coban, Somrak, Dieselnoi etc who dominated strikers from across the globe. There is a reason why Muay Thai dominates as a striking weapon in MMA. More people ain't gonna train in Dutch KB to implement it in MMA.

[@Nenad-ICXC-Shuput-GFAMMA]

There is difference to you on those. Low kick is low kick.

[@AntonioLopez-kw3ev]

Muay thai kicks are better don't be bias about energy-efficiency muay thai kicks >duch power

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

Context and how you use it matters, there's no "better" or "worse". You save Muay Thai style low kick at the end of the combo since you rotate your entire body into the kick + very long recover time in order to create that massive power. After you used it, you back out of distance or else you risk getting hit since your whole body is exposed when recovering from the kick The Dutch prefer using boxing so their style of low kick is to mix along with boxing combo, the short recover time make it easier to get back punching the opponent, and it still hurts, just not as much as the Thai.

[@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96]

Nah, Dutch Style leg kicks hurt more. I take Arthur Kyshenko's word for it.

[@David-ty5jk]

They're better if you get into a street fight and ask your opponent to kick with you. Otherwise it's the streets, you better be prepared to punch, kick, and especially defend against punches so the Dutch kick wins based off functionality and reflexes to counter and defend against punches

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

@@David-ty5jk 9 times of out 10 I can assure you that the guy that you're fighting (because of ego and petty shits) won't be able to do much when you fire the Thai style kick right from the get go. They say in the gym that you need to set up the kicks with punches or else you will get checked or your kick will get caught, but the street bumps that you might encounter would not be able to do any of those defenses. Their legs are weak like spaghetti noodles and will collapse after 1 or 2 full blown kicks Now for self defense on the other hand (where you actually in danger because you're forced into a violence situation against your will), I would advise to not get into boxing range or throw any form of round kicks since there will be hidden weapons involved (9 times out of 10 it will be a knife or something stabby). Oblique kick or teep to their legs when they advance. Unlike what most pussies on the internet whine about leg break, it won't break the attacker's leg but it will disturb their momentum and giving you space and opportunity to escape or deploy your firearms (if you're an US citizen)

[@David-ty5jk]

@@jaketheasianguy3307 all that depends on the fighter in which he can make any style work but if you aren't that guy they using Thai kicks will likely make you drop your own self or just get floored if he decides to come in rushing which is what happens especially if you open up that much. It definitely will take much longer to learn in order to effectively use it and have enough balance to be in the fight and keep kicking. Not to mention you need to be able to kick him in time which is harder because he's now either more far away based off the far range you are fighting or he will close the gap just naturally by rushing you or punching. As for teep kicks those are definitely some of the best ones as far as street fighting kicks and low kicks as well. This is why Dutch kickboxing is so essential because one could defeat a boxer, karate black belt and Muay Thai fighter and they have the defense for all 3 styles as well as the best chance in a street fight rather they run into natural brawler with dangerous power or a kicker with experience landing many headkicks against experienced opponents not lacking defense they will have a solution to most opponents and carry the benefits of 3 striking arts which are all essential when paired and give you the unorthodox advantage as well as defensive and aggressive too because of the nature of this style

[@gamingunited37]

you should be on the ball of your foot when kicking you get more of a rotation

[@stephenellis6601]

Going from punch to kick combinations and vice versa, a full rotation of the stance leg is less efficient. A step/jump pivot calls for a flat foot since you are stepping or jumping into your desired position, taking away the need to come up on the ball of the foot. We also have to factor in that he is demonstrating low kick techniques. The need to rise and pivot is sufficient, but not necessary.

[@maxrey4055]

Not for low kick!

[@nem8685]

Shut up talking from your couch

[@Lukedaniel805]

@@stephenellis6601facts that’s why typically on a switch kick you won’t need to get up on the ball as much

[@IkfNorCalChamp]

Not for low kicks bud. Ikf California champion 🙋🏼‍♂️

[@Lsi581]

Lol you don’t know what your doing

[@Dutch-K9-Unit]

Next time use a real person not a bag

[@andyfung7878]

chicken leg

[@maxrey4055]

John Jones also had chicken legs

[@user-wn6a232aWqc]

if that chicken leg threw a kick into your fat legs, Andy, you wouldnt be able to walk for a month...

[@ronmccarty7537]

Wrong on all counts

[@jameswilsoncomedy444]

Both are ineffective in the street. Too risky

[@hanzo7616]

If you have shit balance then yeah.

[@jameswilsoncomedy444]

@@hanzo7616 no because it can be countered or go wrong genius. It would be high risk in a competitive fight that's why Strickland is champ 🏆

[@JD-oe5uc]

@@jameswilsoncomedy444no one who doesn’t have experiences with low kicks, know how to deal with it or take the pain. Most people don’t expect a low kick in a street fight. But I don’t have any experiences in fighting outside the ring.

[@jameswilsoncomedy444]

@@JD-oe5uc well you don't want to snap your leg in a street fight so don't risky it when you can do teep

[@ziphy_6471]

No it is effective, most people on the street arent expert fighters