What if Char Was Dead During Zeta Gundam (What if Amuro Got the Alex Part 2)

[@kakarot197]

The AEUG will really see the tears of time in this timeline.

[@Bobert2020]

They are not going to have a pure time and no one will have a noble mind

[@blackcomet2nd950]

Question. If Scirocco destroys the Argama then does that mean he would have killed Bright?

[@paakdisayaniyom]

Great video Kakarot keep doing more​ of​ this​ type of videos, I love watching on your take on "What If"​ scenario of​ Gundam.

[@lucky98802]

Wouldn't the mark 2's be more powerful due to the Alex's data to be included as well?

[@Bobert2020]

@@lucky98802 probably

[@QuattroPogjeena]

Idk man, Char was barely in Zeta... Quattro on the other hand

[@SalinaMoonfall]

Though this Char fellow sounds like a stand-up guy, him and Quattro would probably get along.

[@mahiru20ten]

Now what if somehow Quattro was killed during the story of Zeta Gundam? With AEUG losing one of their aces, this could be quite a blow for them.

[@tomdelvetto9906]

Who’s char?

[@KanohiHau0000FF]

@@tomdelvetto9906 look at this loser, he only watched Zeta and post-CCA shows

[@Mod_121]

That Quattro guy was a real one

[@CUL8TR]

If Char wasn’t alive during MSZG then one of his legendary lines wouldn’t exist. “I came to laugh at you.”

[@b172ddm2]

bingo.

[@EbeeDeeby]

Soooo, what we've learned today is that Bernard Wiseman was even more of a legendary hero than we already thought he was

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

One pilot changed the course of an entire universe. Funny

[@Wzrd8]

@@Nostroman_Praetor And he wasn't even a particularly good pilot either. He puts up a good fight but he just needed one more kill to become an ace. Ironic how all the aces in Zeon with their combined slaughter weren't able to change the tables so intensely. Grunts may hold a front line but irregulars win wars.

[@kbbell]

"Two Gundams being flown by (pause) competent pilots." Shots fired!

[@heavyarms55]

Emma wasn't bad. She wasn't an top ace, but she was decent. The other guy however was pretty painfully average.

[@1wayroad935]

Conclusion: UC Still Gets Worse

[@Takeshi_Yamato_103]

Correction: UC Gets MUCH Worse

[@JeanLucCaptain]

Just MORE. IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE UNIVERSAL CENTURY THERE IS ONLY WAR.

[@dragoontype00alphaz19]

Basically I see has UC going similar to gundam X time line but instead Earth becoming apocalyptic wasteland its moon and colonys at become apocalyptic hell

[@jasperreyes5174]

@@dragoontype00alphaz19 Nah man... The Colonies turn into space-faring vessels and go beyond the solar system while the idiots stuck at Earth create Turn A Gundam and resets Human History back to the Stone Age...

[@dragoontype00alphaz19]

@@jasperreyes5174 well yeah it could go that way to

[@heavyarms55]

I think you're making a HUGE assumption that Char and Kamille were the only elite pilots that could turn the war for the AEUG. In fact, without Char there to remind Amuro of the loss of Lalah Sune, Amuro might have seen the importance of joining the fight in space. In the anime it really seemed like both Amuro's PTSD from Lalah's death kept him on Earth, but also, Amuro saw that Char and Kamille were with the AEUG so he could leave it to them. Instead, I think Amuro would have gone to space, reunited with Bright Noa, and Amuro would have played a pivital roll in stopping the gas attack on the colony. However I do think that, without the Zeta and related mobile suits, Von Brown still would have fallen. The AEUG would have then waged a gurellia war against the Titans until Axis launched their invasion.

[@zettovii1367]

Think this is only really the outcome if we go with the mainline stories only. Most of the named aces there either would logically work for the Titans at this time around, or would be part of Axis.

[@TheHiddenBoss]

What if that hunk of junk that Amuro’s dad made on Side 6 actually did make the Gundam perform even greater than before?

[@gabriel6195]

HECK YEAH!!

[@Bobert2020]

Well, Kamille would have not been a vegetable and will still be a girl. Oh, and my fellow Roberto wouldn't get any screentime :(

[@QuattroPogjeena]

He’d probably get beaten to death in a street fight in only a few years with his personality. Joining the AEUG made him mature... but it also ruined him. He was screwed either way.

[@Bobert2020]

@@QuattroPogjeena thanks Quattro

[@QuattroPogjeena]

@@Bobert2020 :)

[@Bobert2020]

@@QuattroPogjeena :) bye four vaginas

[@AnTran147]

@@QuattroPogjeena At least he recovers by the end of ZZ, so he can still live a fairly normal life with Fa afterwards.

[@EbullientSMP]

All of this proves that Bernie's sacrifice was not in vain, A true hero.

[@dr.jimeagleii4108]

Probably the greatest Hero in the UC timeline

[@nabkill0134]

Bernie is actually time traveller all along..

[@EksaStelmere]

R.I.P. Bernie. Our Hero. T^T7

[@Ramash440]

So basically Zeta with more death and tragedy ? "Kill Them All" Tomino would approve.

[@Takeshi_Yamato_103]

OK, so, my two cents: I think Sayla and Amuro might have been able to spend more time together after the One Year War, given that she was flying the RX-78-2, and would have probably done pretty well at this point. Amuro canonically became a flight instructor, and I think Sayla would have done the same. They might even have gotten married, and maybe have had a child or two of their own. Now, for the Zeta Gundam aspect, two options: 1. Sayla and Amuro both join the AEUG fairly early on, with Sayla eventually taking the role her brother (Char/Quattro) took in canon. This would enable the theft of the Mark II to succeed, and canon to progress mostly as normal (with Amuro and Sayla both mentoring Kamille). 2. Sayla is with Amuro in the events of the video. Amuro probably becomes the pilot of the Hyaku Shiki (or whatever prototype succeeds it) while Sayla pilots a Nemo. But yeah. Whichever way things go down, don't forget about Sayla. I know Zeta (mostly) did, but having her show up would make an interesting butterfly.

[@ez8195]

Great idea but only 1 small change: I think sayla would have a Rick Dias.

[@Takeshi_Yamato_103]

@@ez8195 Fair enough.

[@Takeshi_Yamato_103]

@@ez8195 Though I will mention, regardless of path and regardless of what she flies, Sayla would most likely (willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly) inherit her brother's penchant for Crimson-painted Mobile Suits

[@heavyarms55]

I would pay money to watch this version of events. I really didn't like how Sayla played almost no role post OYW.

[@snifferofasbestos1257]

What about beltorchika

[@NateTheBrewer]

Your scenario presumes the events of 0083 would have still happened, which in turn drove the formation of the Titans. There are several events in Char’s Deleted Affair that contribute to Delaz’s rebellion, and wouldn’t happen without Char. I mean he helps Anavel Gato at one point! Char also helped Mineva escape. I can’t remember if the Federation fleet that assumed she was on the ship escaping (after char suggested she be transferred to a smaller vessel and the original be used as a decoy) was trying to capture her or kill her, but championing her capture or destruction would’ve change things - depending on if she was used as an example of federation strength over spacenoids, or as a martyr... Not to mention that if Amuro did have the Alex Gundam, there’s a chance that Zeon losses would have been greater at A Baoa Qu and there would have been less survivors for the rebellion?

[@KaloyanKasabov]

Yes. He didn't forget about the what if As for what might happen oh boy Amuro will be the AEUG's only hope

[@surprisedchar2458]

He’s gonna have back problems from carrying the entire war effort twice.

[@KaloyanKasabov]

@@surprisedchar2458 Three time with the first Neo Zeon War

[@surprisedchar2458]

@@KaloyanKasabov yeah but we haven’t gotten that far yet, since the video’s about Zeta.

[@KaloyanKasabov]

@@surprisedchar2458 who knows we might have the ending of the original Gundam novel for all we know

[@zettovii1367]

Wonder where is Jadau during all of this

[@MrWhammo1]

if i remember right in char's deleted affiars he gave a rick dom variant to anahiem which was the base for the rick dias

[@XeviousD]

@MrWhammo1 That Mobile Suit is supposed to be called Gundam γ. Since the unit looks too Zeonic, it was called the latter instead.

[@marimcgee8379]

A few things you missed, the creation of the Psycho MK I and II, the use of brainwashed Cyber-Newtypes like Four and Rosimia, Char's speech on Dakar exposing the Titans true nature, and their most prized weapon ever the Gryps Colony Laser was never captured.

[@whichDude]

What would have happened if Jerid never said those cursed words...

[@TheHiddenBoss]

Kamille, undeterred by the Titans or military police, goes straight home as she intended along with her friend Fa. It be uncertain if we see her ever again. Char’s operation continues as planned and the show goes on without Kamille. One major setback, no Zeta Gundam. Four and the Psycho Gundam would remain in play until she transfers to the newer model or she becomes psychologically damaged beyond repair. Additionally, Jerid’s life just moves up from here as his friends live long enough to see their families or lovers, and Jerid may find love blooming on the battlefield that doesn’t end with a beam rifle blast. Lastly, Scirocco lives on to become the Universal Century’s biggest pimp ever.

[@xionvixon3387]

@@TheHiddenBoss i think there's a what if story where Kamile ends up joining the titans. We'd have to search for it but its around here somewhere

[@SoulstrikerV]

Without Char, young Haman would've died honorably defending Axis during Deleted Affair, and never burdened with the pressure of having to lead Axis and fulfill their wishes of fighting the Feds. The command would then go to some other Axis commander (is Haman's dad still alive in Zeta?). Fast forward to ZZ and Glemy would have an easier time going up the ranks. Btw, am I bad for having Haman as my favorite Zeta and ZZ character and being saddened by her decision to die? I even have her Qubeley as one of my most used and most mastered suits in any Gundam game I play.

[@ez8195]

If char never came back then there wouldn't have been Rick Dias infiltrating Green Noa. Char brought the gundarium gamma alloy that axis developed that would be used in making the Rick Dias (was origianlly named gamma gundam). Char's absence loses 2 of the AEUG's best units (Rick Dias and Zeta) As for Amuro, it could go either way. If Amuro walks away from the war with relatively minor ptsd he could easily be a titan (if the federation allows this) or aeug's default top ace and later mentor (Char's main role through most of the story). As a titan Amuro would help accelerate newtype research and mobile development in the pre gryps war period (think more titans test team and less Bask Om's brute squad).

[@heavyarms55]

That's a very good point. If Amuro getting the Alex reduced the PTSD that Amuro faced, then I could see him still serving in the military, perhaps initially being courted by the Titans but ultimately siding with the AEUG because he can sense how the Titans really are.

[@ez8195]

@@heavyarms55 I agree but i think from 0080-0083 he would be a flight instructor, help mop up Zeon remnants, or assist with federation newtype research. 0083-0086 i can see him in like the titans test team or something like that. Maybe around 0086 Amuro witnesses a titans atrocity and that makes him join the aeug.

[@razrafz]

would events in 0083 still happen without Char? assuming it still happens, and titans is formed i think at some point amuro would still meet up with kamille, and kamille would still develop zeta with data from amuro

[@ez8195]

@@razrafz assuming stardust memory happens and amuro is in the aeug by 0087 i could see a lot of early zeta happening with amuro in char's place. Post Jobrow ( Amuro shows up in canon) is where things start really differing. Real fun is what kind of influence a relatively healthy Amuro would have been on Kamille. I think he would have been a much better mentor for Kamille because he would have seen a lot in himself in Kamille (rebellious son of gundam maker and accidental pilot in war) and would have been able to deal with early zeta Kamille better because Amuro would see a lot of hinself in Kamille (in canon Bright compared Kamille to Amuro a couple of times).

[@Sierlea]

@@heavyarms55 This strikes me as fairly likely. Amuro serves in the military and is an early defector for the Titans.

[@whichDude]

AUEG got stomped before Yazan gets to join the party.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK! Gotta watch this! Edit: You know this reminded me of the game Gundam vs Zeta Gundam. In the Titans route, where the surviving AEUG will join up with Axis Zeon in one of the timelines.

[@justindelacruz7118]

DAMN RIGHT!!

[@imdedinside0111]

Same, it's 3am already

[@GPowtlaw2]

Yessir loved that game.. you know today it still sells for about 70$ !

[@petorius7174]

So you seem to know Gwar Gura too.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

@@petorius7174 Who doesn't at this point?

[@ninjavanish2361]

This is truly a dark timeline of the Universal Century.

[@YeagerBomb-ww3bn]

Good "what if" story. Would love to see more of these in the future.

[@Mudrock29]

Part 3 is gonna be a doozy given Chars' effect on Haman.

[@neonnwave1]

And Kamille's dad would continue cheating on his wife, and Kamille would have been put in prison and punched a lot more.

[@neonnwave1]

@@amuroray88 Agree on 2 out of the 3 things. Kamille isn't autistic. The word for autistic in Japanese can also be for neurotic. Kamille has no displays of ASD. Also the context of the use of the word is different in Japan, especially during the time of Zeta's airing. Autism and mental disorders in general (even illness) were not well known and often misunderstood, even to this day. So the use of the word isn't to say he has a disorder but instead the use was to say more like 'problem child', 'anti-social', 'not that smart', etc.

[@Panzergruppe22]

This sounds like one of the alternate timelines from Gundam vs Z Gundam (PS2)

[@GPowtlaw2]

Man I'm so glad you continued this series!!! Ok first off I love your take, Its very detailed and considers lots of different points of view which is critical. In zeta Gundam I think things would play out similarly, however one key difference is that, Kamille hating this dad and the Ttians would have went with Captain Bright - Joining Fa on the shuttle Bright flies out of Green Noa. Being Quickly recognized as a newtype he winds up piloting the Hyaku Shiki. During the drop to Jaburo Scirroco sense Kamille which distracts him just long enough for the Argama to make an escape. From there things proceed generally as you have them up to the point where he meets Amuro after the Jaburo base is destroyed. From here Kamilles Presence and the Need of pilots force Amuro to play a much more active role in the AEUG - with him regaining his Newtype sense more quickly than in the anime With Amuro and Kamille combined the AEUG are able to successfully retake Von Braun from the titans and stop the gas attack. However, The titans get the increased support and the AEUG is still left leaderless after Blex Forer's assasination.. Which would leave them in a dubious place with Neo Zeon. that's

[@Takeshi_Yamato_103]

Don't forget Sayla. Again, my thoughts are she ends up with Amuro after the war, both professionally and personally, so she'd join the AEUG alongside him. That would also help as Sayla's piloting skills would have increased, and her NewType Senses would return with Amuro's. She'd also inherit Char's penchant for Crimson MS.

[@GPowtlaw2]

@@Takeshi_Yamato_103 dude that is an awesome point! If the aeug gets saylas help they might be able to get more aid from neo zeon as well!

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@Takeshi_Yamato_103 But would she though? In this world he would have killed her brother.

[@MortimerZabi]

This reminds me of the alternative histories in Gundam vs Zeta Gundam on PS2. My favorite was the timeline where Sayla and Lalah both die, leading to Char's Counterattack happening early and the ZZ Gundam taking the place of the Nu Gundam. Oh, and Haman takes the place of Quess. Another one is Lalah surviving, but getting turned into a test subject by the Federation, leading Amuro to join the Titans to protect her and basically developing the Zeta Gundam for them. That was another fun one.

[@DoughzD]

Pretty accurate I think. For the future parts, I don’t see how Axis can win without a much stronger AEUG there to batter the Titans Forces.The Titans have more resources, superior pilots, and they’re free to make even more experimental high performance mobile suits with Franklin Bidan still alive. Axis only “won” in the original timeline because Haman was able to manipulate both sides into taking each other out. She might be a better pilot than Scirocco, but she can’t do it on her own this time.

[@OwenConcorde]

Even though this alternate Zeta story without Char is sadder than the original story, I am really impressed with it. I've waited patiently since Part 1 and thank you very much! I bet the rest of this alternate UC timeline will get interesting from this point on.

[@leolied6766]

Noooo not my boi the Zeta Plus.

[@jinwu9423]

Basically, Zeta if it was written by the people who made Iron Blooded Orphans 😄

[@sith2u]

A few points: 1) Apolly and Roberto are former zeeks ONLY in the CDA continuity, and a handful of later video games. In the original show, they are just as shocked as the Feddie-background characters when Haman introduces Mineva as leader of Neo Zeon; they also never indicate they even know Quatro is Char, unlike a former underling (now a civilian) who does mention serving together. In the novelization, Char's infiltration as Quatro Bajeena is actually disclosed, and there's no mention of his future wingmen being present. So at least those two *should* still be around in the AEUG. 2) It's always been slightly weird that despite the loss of the three RX-178s, the Titans still beat the AEUG in building feasible transforming MS. If you take MS Graphica as apocrypha, then there was actually a *Unit 4* that didn't yet have an assigned pilot, and which happened to be stored in the same building Jerid was supposed to crash into. That implies two things: either the Mark II's had already undergone operational trials and they were just supposed to be used in live demonstrations, or after the theft Unit 4 was repaired long enough to finish gathering data from and then retired. Either or! 3) No Hyaku Shiki means we get Zeta Define's Zero Shiki. No problems here, move along. 4) "No Zeta Gundam": ehhhhhhhhhh... This is tricky, but there's an old manga named Sidestory of Z, where Axis Zeon has a deeper relationship w/ Anaheim Electronics earlier than in the show, and so *their* AEUG actually goes ahead and builds the Z Gustav (it helps they show what happens to the RX-78-2's wreckage). Axis was known to already be on the move around the time of the Green Noa incident, so if they'd had advance agents besides Char... Actually, if AUEG's leadership lacks enough of a dissenting voice, it's entirely possible AE could force them to recruit more and more zeek personnel from the remnants, which is a PR fiasco in the wings the Titans will exploit.

[@tylerstocker6189]

I think the AEUG would have switched tactics, becoming more of a guerilla force as opposed to a standing army. Hit and run attacks, targeting supply lines, and never really engaging in combat unless absolutely necessary. For instance, I personally don't think they would have attacked Jaburo, that's a big operation with serious consequences if you fail.

[@nickroy8387]

A cool what if, what if Tekkadan and McGillis defeated Gjallarhorn?

[@sixeswild274]

I suppose that this portion of the alternate time line hinges less on the Alex, and more on the actions and death of Char. It could be that if Amuro attacked the Zeong in the chest (assuming 'orthodox' MS cockpit placement), and Char was able to play possum, or eject the head and let it drift, as the Zeong came apart, Amuro might have moved off, unknowingly leaving Char (possibly unconscious and undetectable to Amuro's un-mastered newtype sense) to live and fight another day, restoring the early Zeta Gundam timeline. Anyway, just a possible conjecture.

[@qsdfghjklm11000]

You somehow managed to make Zeta grimmer

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

Apolly and Roberto.......RIP. Been reading Char's Deleted Affair manga and a lot of side characters are fleshed out in that manga. Cannot believe how good it is, I thought the manga was going to be bad because of all the teen Haman stuff but no the manga is one of the best ones out there. love all the political intrigue and betrayal. we also get to see post one year war Side 3 which has a Federation garrison and secret federation police hunting down zeon sympathizers while Side 3 is a puppet state. good stuff

[@christopherdavis3424]

Great video!! There aren’t enough Gundam “What If?” videos out there

[@dessfigures2447]

Great video, I can't wait to see Part 3 about Axis. Char is so important to what happens to the UC timeline that without him a lot of things change.

[@Zephyrs009]

Here's hoping part 3 comes sooner, love this stuff!

[@valdor6664]

This is definitely an interesting premise, it would be cool if you could come up with some what if suits if Amuro really did help develop more new type suits.

[@lammatt]

banagher will come to ruin titans' day and he somehow will still persuade the princess to forfeit her country and then things goes back to how it is in the normal timeline

[@psycholocke4090]

Dear Karkarot. I have one Problem with your analysis. 1) the AUG would not use the same tactics without the same asset's at disposal. 2) this would mean stealing of the Gundam MK2 would might have changed into destroying them with more than just one RickDias team. 3) even if I wish the colonies would have had the guts to oppose the titans after the committed war crime by them. I don't see the uproar succeeding without a hero (group) securing the success. In general I agree with the outcome of this thought experiment because the AUG simply did not have the needed striking force to pull of their actions. But it might have come to a different development regarding political play or other tactics. But that would be a totally different story.

[@MrAmazingJeff]

Just watched a bunch of your videos in a row and I gotta say good job :) this made me start watching Mobile Suit Gundam again for like at-least the fourth time

[@juresaiyan]

Bless you laddie

[@XeviousD]

The Axis has “Neue Ziel II” in their arsenal. Will Haman “release the kraken” on the entire Milky Way?

[@NeoZ45]

Plot twist: Seeing the horror the Neue ziel II was causing alongside the oppression being enforced by the titans Kou decides to get his ass out of retirement, join the aeug, spill the beans on all of the gundam development project alongside operation stardust and with the help of the aeug survivors search, rebuild and upgrade the stamen and dendrobium units and making the gp03 the new flagship of the aeug, letting it get so much needed firepower and development data to turn the tide of the war thus making the development of new mobile suits be either a direct descendant of the gp03, the hyaku shiki or both allowing for new and interesting events like the re taking of new grenade just by pure sheer fire power alone of the dendrobium, the mass production of it and possibly a crushing defeat for both the titans and axis zeon Hell i dare even say that maybe zeon as a whole stops existing thanks to this turn of events and maybe the eff become much more tame now that the secrets of operation stardust were revealed

[@redflags6583]

I think without Char in the AEUG, the Titans wouldn't think of them as that much of a threat. They'd be stamped out shortly after the attempted Gundamjack and the Titans wouldn't shift to more drastic measures, more or less. I don't think AEUG would risk stuff like the Jaburo drop and so on. What would be interesting is how Axis and Jupiter will play out.

[@mauwus4322]

I feel that with the lack of skilled pilots AEUG would try harder to get Amuro and maybe even Sayla to join them in space, maybe not immediately so the theft of the mk. 2 would still fail and even if he where to join them their machines would still be outclassed but I feel that Amuro's skill (and the clout he brings along) would be enough to avoid complete disaster for the AEUG.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

I am fairly certain this Alternative Future is Grim Dark enough that the Imperium of Man would approve!

[@seanmullen4003]

I do have a point of contention, I think Jerid would still have crashed RX178 unit 3 into the building where Kamile was being interrogated, and Kamile tries to steal it, but with the AEUG units being run off, his attempt only gets him sent to prison

[@samroberts1278]

Once again Side 2 gettin' smacked around with chemical weapons ;___;

[@dr.jimeagleii4108]

Honestly, I'm sure in a few of these situations, there would be completely different personnel. And that might include an even more powerful newtype than Kamille joining the AEUG

[@wavemaster4891]

Jumping back abit, I would say many things had changed following the one-year war, Amuro and the White base crew were far more successful in this timeline and earned more recognition than before. Most likely Amuro would be turned into a new-type weapon field test pilot. So in many aspects, Amuro and his crew would be used by the military and not hidden and separated thus they would be given a new ship The Albion. Amuro would lead a team to field test runs with the GPO1 and the GPO2a, While Kou Uraki and other pilots test ran Zeon older machines against Amuro's older unit The Alex in mock combat piloted by Senior pilot South Burning with specially designed equipment so South Burning can operate The Alex Gundam at its full compacity. Gato would have more difficulty yet was able to sneak into the base and steal the GPO2a. Amuro was out on a test run with Gpo1 at the time and was away from the base. While the others were coming back from their mock fights, this leaves them to chase down Gato. While Amuro headed back to the Albion and refueled etc... and tried to catch up to everything going down. Gato puts up with heavy resistance from The Alex Gundam but South Burning had less Experience in combat compared to Gato. Which became apparent when Gato outmaneuvers The Alex and leads it into a surprise assault by Xamels and Prototype Rick-Dom Zwei. South Burning is able to make sure the others survive but The Alex is heavily damaged and the pilot is killed. Amuro gets there too late, Gato has escaped. The top brass of the EFF ridicule how this unlikely scenario could even happen and gives The Albion a new mission to retrieve the stolen unit. Due to many different events throughout the various pursuit missions at times Amuro and Kou butt heads, and some times he is in the Repaired Alex M.k. 2 (a repaired version equipped with some prototype equipment still being fully tested at The La Vie en Rose.) During Gato's attack on Kopeki Island, he is not completely Successful, the nuke goes off but The GPO2A's shoved by a full thruster shoulder check by the GPO1FB. The shot misses most of the Assembly, Amuro does kill Gato here when the GPO2A has a malfunction and the arm seizes up. The Remains of the GPO2A were then recovered by The Albion afterward. Anaheim takes it back for studies. Alex M.K. 2 meets its end during a battle with MA-06 Val Walo, Kou after deciding he was going to quit the EFF and had been (Punched by Amuro and Slapped by Bright) working on some sort of old unit with this cripple / former Zeon pilot. Kou used The Alex M.k. 2 when he learned the purpose of fixing the Val Walo was to attack the Albion and destroy it. The Alex M.K. 2 kills the Val Walo pilot in the battle but The Alex M.K. 2's too heavily damaged to be repaired anymore. The Albion rescues Kou after the battle and collects the Remaining pieces of The Alex M.K.2 and Anaheim collected that unit as well to get the data off of. Kou took over the GPO1A piloting role, as Amuro and Bright had noticed one too many oddities with Nina Purpleton's behavior especially at the news of Gato dying. This eventually leads to Amuro taking on the job of visiting Anaheim to investigate Nina's history and seeing what is done with the former pieces of The Alex and GPO2A. During this time Amuro would have learned all about Nina's personal history. And that This RX78GP03-S Gundam "Dendrobium Stamen" is the complete version of their efforts from the GPO's and The Alex Gundam M.K. 2. He then learns of the Zeon operation by the Deloz Fleet and that a "successor" to The Famed "Red Comet" has come from Axis to work with Deloz in the last stage of Operation Stardust Memory. Amuro would end up with this new Gundam, when he warns The Albion with his intel, that Anaheim has made deals with Axis, about The Deloz Fleet. The location of this Gundam in a stronghold etc... The Albion manages to claim the New Gundam and they be-line it to where Deloz's location. Amuro heads out with Kou and during the battle, Amuro and Kou get separated Kou heads to stop the colony's descent, there Kou is greeted by a now full sympathizer of Zeon "Nina Purpleton, this ends in Kou having to put her down. Meanwhile, Amuro has been under the attack of both Cima and this mysterious "Successor to the Red Comet" Kou arrives back into the fight with news of Cima's forces turning on the Deloz Fleet. Cima gets attacked by Kou as Amuro moves in to chase this Successor near the colony. During the battle with Amuro, he is taunted by the unknown voice, the pilot claims. That the Red Comet died as a Martyr for all of Axis and there will always be a RED Comet. Eventually, Amuro does kill "this" Red Comet as well, but after taking a high amount of damage. Amuro makes it back to the battlefield Kou was last sighted at and intervenes at a crucial time Ramming the remaining parts of the Orchis this pins down Cima long enough for the GPO1FB to destroy the Orchis and Cima's Gerbera Tetra. The Titans are formed as a response to the attempt to drop another colony. The Albion's Crew is recruited into part of the Titans, the EFF did not bury the Gundam Project and instead sought to make it the mainline development of future Gundams. (The titans in this timeline are not as extreme as in this timeline there has been higher success against Zeon in history. Though the Titans exist they are not as extreme, at least not in the beginning) If there is no char nor his comrades AEUG would have had less than desirable people running the operation essentially amateurs. Which would most likely AEUG would have been the one causing the most casualties. During this time Kamille would have been getting questioned by the Titans. From there he would witness the horror that the AEUG would be causing as their plan just falls apart. Kamille would lose his father, in the attack. This would change Kamille to join the titans later on. So they can develop the next level evolutions beyond GPO3, the titans used the history of Anehiem's Zeon loyalties to take over Anaheim. This would put Amuro in the driver's seat of the successor unit called RX-78-M Gundam Midnight. Amuro being a titan would be the one leading his group in training and fine-tuning the Midnight Gundams. Bright was overseeing his transfer to Command of the Alexandria. So when AEUG tried to take the units they failed thanks to Amuro and his two other officers at the time Kou Uraki, and Jerid Messa already using them in a flight test. This also puts the Argama in trouble as eventually, the Alexandria does catch up with them, and the Argama currently has lost three units and pilots. It is not long before they are taken out, Kamille after being taken under Amuro's wing becomes a recognized Titan and works with the ever-growing members on the ship. More and more officers join up on the Alexandria and they launch a massive offensive against the AEUG base on Von Braun. Already overwhelmed and lacking in any real ace pilots and failing to retrieve the Gundams, the loss of the Argama, and with no place that builds Mobile Suits for their side. Von Braun falls as The Radish is destroyed as it tried to flee. Karaba was too weak and unsuccessful and lost every battle that mattered until they too fell. Axis never returns as they are in too much of a disadvantage. No, until the government begins to crumble. The rise of the Titans, has begun!

[@Sierlea]

Personally while I agree things'll go harder, there's a pretty strong tendency for new newtypes and heroes to be stirred up in Gundam when things are against the wall. While the events make it so it's not Kamille, someone's likely to luck into a Gundam sooner or later.

[@EcnoTheNeato]

At the very least Emma would have jumped ship when she knew about the gassing of Side 2, though. Maybe even earlier with the bombing of Jaburo? (that one's a stretch though!) She may have helped either through sabatoge, or through defecting before they could gas everyone. Dunno if that stopped other colonies from surrendering to the titans, though, with or without the successful gassing of Side 2, it proved they were willing, and even if they just "scraped by" a victory, the AUEG would be reeling. I also wonder if Sayla is at play at all, since we're just theory crafting and don't have to worry about casting?

[@Ywz816]

Thanks for making these! Your narrating and slides makes it seem like I’m watching an anime.

[@stevenchoza6391]

Except Char, Roberto, and Apolly weren’t the only very skilled and veteran pilots in the AEUG. There were others like Shin Matsunaga, Jack Bayard, and many others. That alone would make this interpretation of this new timeline a non-starter as Char’s team could easily be replaced.

[@zettovii1367]

Yeah, but what were they doing at this point of the story? Things might be closer to the original if they simply took Char and companies' roles, but it's not like they were around in the same place.

[@stevenchoza6391]

Zetto Vii Well, it’s a military organization. They likely would be ordered to do so.

[@zettovii1367]

@@stevenchoza6391 Assuming they are not busy with other missions.

[@stevenchoza6391]

Zetto Vii We don’t know of any, and this is a mission of the highest priority.

[@therealduskscar]

I agree to a point except for Camille. He was interested in mobile suits as a kid his mom was the chief engineer and his dad was heavy into politics. Plus side note Camille was an excellent junior mobile suit pilot, he might not have joined the the aeug but possibly another organization

[@Gundamvid]

Oh man such a dark portrait you paint! Makes me wonder if a Neo Zeon War is even possible. Heck what will become OF the secret of the UC? aka "Laplace's Box"

[@Herald_of_Perfection]

No CCA, no psyco frame, no unicorn

[@kapayasiame3632]

Thanks man I’ve been waiting for this . You did a good job working on it

[@AshuraH]

...this is going into Marvel-type "What if?" territory where everything goes balls up

[@jasperreyes5174]

Gundam Games in the past have already done that... You would have known if you could have been able to read Japanese and played them...

[@tehredmage]

One could make the argument that other aeug aces could be shuffled into Camille and Char's places like Jack Bayard and Asuna Elmarit

[@RocketChickArt1]

I've been looking forward to your wife's video ever since the first one. And honestly I think Haman should be dead just because of what happened in the manga. Because of char not there to save her. Option number 2 is that haman is a literal puppet of the zabi family. Hopefully your next what if series is what Kira died in the initial encounter with Athran. Also Amruo probably doesn't have as much PTSD in the normal timeline so he probably did join up with the Titans or least stayed in the regular army.

[@matthewsleeman3309]

OK, I'll bite. you've made a pretty important mistake and just added a Char shaped hole to the timeline, without considering broader effects. Assuming that Amuro doesn't just replace Char in the story, AND that neither Char's nor Sayla's true identities are revealed. Amuro beating Char in what amounts to a one-on-one duel means that he isn't placed under arrest post-OYW and he becomes a high-ranking officer in the EFF, in the perfect place to both see what the Titans where up to AND in a position to do something about it, like say funnel information and weapons. Also of note is that this means there likely aren't two different rebel movements against the Titans, but rather only a single one.

[@Godzilla00X]

Interesting scenario. I always toyed with what if the Devil Gundam was created in the UC timeline

[@solidemike]

Great video, you're giving it your all using all your knowlege and logics. I hope for the Alex to somehow get more involved but only if it makes sense. I just finished reading C.D.A and it was a amazing read. It made me think that the extremist faction on Axis, who wanted the war to start again, would've been on their way with minimal problems. Also in that manga they introduced a fair amount of good pilots/future Aces that may have taken Char's place, excluding Amuro. Like the newtype Kamuji, her friend Giorgio Miguel, who infiltrated the Federation and piloted the G-3 Gundam, there's also Gerald Sinclair. I excluded the pilots from axis since they were not in the earth sphere or in the know like the previously mentionned pilots. Times would've been too desperate for them to not get themselves involved. Or maybe they would've waited for their fellow Axis Zeon comrades to come to earth.

[@chubz8969]

ahhhh that Mobile Suit Gundam: Target in Sight OST in the background

[@MasakiHana]

High chances on Amuro killing Char in OYW would make him up the ranks but knowing his attitude in the end of OYW he would definitely not accept the Titans and even try to defect and steal the Alex, and Amuro would be the top ace of the AEUG either before or during the events of Zeta.

[@PRrrr_neutral]

Cant wait. Your videos are really interesting.

[@GeaForce]

I see a swarm of space moths laying waste on the Titans' forces while screaming Purupurupurupurupuru

[@amuroray88]

Kamille would probably be forced to join the titans in this scenario. His father could probably pull some strings to get his son out of trouble on the condition that he enlisted

[@KnightRider378]

Here's the thing about the Rick Dias. It wouldn't exist in this timeline. The Rick Dias only came about because of data and prototypes brought to Anaheim by Char and his wingmen. So to make this even worse, whoever gets sent to steal the Mark IIs (assuming it even happens in the first place) would likely only have GM IIs or even worse.

[@gab7506]

I was waiting for this for a long time

[@tachunkathelord2875]

Thank you kakarot we all love these vids

[@albertko1]

I'm thinking the butterfly effect would even effect the events of 0083... It's possible Anavel Gato could have been shot down and/or captured during the battle as he attempts to fill in the gap left by Char's early death. Without Gato and subsequently Uraki's involvement, Cima would have been about to broker the Stardust plans to the Federation in time to stop the colony drop. This would prevent the formation of the Titans as we know but instead accelerate complacency in the Federation and compress the timeline bringing Axis in earlier and having Camille and Judo as part of a elite Federation team rushing to stop Neo Zeon. With this another colony drop is attempted by Axis and also the events of CCA would also accelerate as Amiro comes to the aid of Camille and Judo... With Camille and Amuro once again sacrificing themselves to stop Axis.

[@acezenfu3293]

If Kycilia escapes Axis stays unified, no civil war between factions, Haman does become leader, Gato may have received orders to not drop the colony but to perform hit and run attacks on stray Federation ships while searching for Zeon remnants. Capturing the Gundam Prototypes and reverse engineering them would lead to even better moblie suites. The question is whether or not a focus on building moblie armors would happen before the timeline of Zeta Gundam

[@vustvaleo8068]

I wouldn't be surprised if AEUG joined hands with Axis/Neo Zeon in this scenario.

[@Picture9663]

My name is Roberto!

[@FLJBeliever1776]

I'm thinking that is a little off. You forget how indetermined the battles between Char and Amuro were until at the end of the One Year War in this Alternative History. But first and foremost, the effect of Char not being there on Axis DURING the events of Operation Stardust. Chances are more likely, without Char's presence, there might be less support for Operation Stardust. Char's death and the end result of Kycillia being killed by Federation Battleships and Cruisers, would have effects. There were few pilots on Char's level. Anavel Gato was one of them. I'm of the opinion Axis would want to preserve him and have him withdraw back to it rather than die in some vainglorious charge. Especially if Amuro didn't actually leave the Federation's service Post-War. But for the sake of the argument here and now... One theory is that if Amuro remained with the Federation after the One Year War, he could have been reassigned as an Aggressor Pilot. So there is a possibility that he might have been present at Torrington Base as well. If not to pilot the GP01 or GP02, but perhaps as pilot to help the base collect data on Mobile Suits and train the rookies there. Another idea, is that Amuro would have followed somewhat in his father's footsteps and been assisting in the creation of an upgraded Gundam design from the One Year War. Trying to get that performance that the Federation sought, but in a Mass Production friendly design. As a Fly Off between the Anaheim machines and the Federation's own Mobile Suits, Amuro could have been present as well. But a major point, regardless of the beginning, is that Amuro was still in Federation service. Confident and calm, with his mental baggage squared away, after his victory over Char and possibly, albeit secretly, married to Sayla Mass, Amuro is ready and able. Anavel Gato and Amuro Ray have their own history to regard, because gato was one of the few people who could have stopped Amuro at Solomon and Amuro was also responsible for the deaths of no less than two Zabis, especially Anavel Gato's former commander, Dolza Zabi. For fanatics like Delaz and Gato, getting Amuro would always be a point, but while Delaz is more in control of it, Gato isn't. Late into things happening, both Amuro and Bright are active combatants by that point. Perhaps operating off another Pegasus-class SCV. They avoid the fate at Konpei Island and realize there is something amiss. Together they work to piece it together and Bright uses contacts through his wife's family to get a force together while Amuro contacts Sayla to see if she can, in her own way, to get an idea of what is happening as well. With a small, but robust fleet (mostly lead by veterans of the One Year War) under his command Bright moves off to collect Nuclear Weapons from Luna II. The base commander, recalling the late first Captain of the White Base, agrees and even adds a few more forces to Bright's small fleet. Then they head out based on incoming data and set up their ambush of the Delaz Fleet. As Albion and GP03 pursue the Delaz Fleet from behind, attempting to stop them, Bright's assembled Federation Fleet intercept from in front, surprising Delaz. Especially as a special parcel had been sent to give Amuro the boost he would need. A new and improved, upgraded RX-78-NT-1 Gundam Alex. The sight of the Gundam Alex, would drive Gato into a frenzy. After all, it was the Mobile Suit, along with its pilot, that was most responsible for the Zeon's final defeat. Delaz would prove unable to fully control Gato any further and thus, Gato would race off to kill the White Shooting Star. But, by that time, Kou Uraki and the Albion have returned for Round 2. As such, Kou intercepts Gato first and foremost. The two clash, with Gato attempting to brush aside or kill Kou outright. But with the GP03 and its own technological developments, Gato struggles as Amuro slips away and begins to tear the Delaz Fleet apart with a force of Mobile Suits with a considerable number of veteran pilots. Delaz watches as his fleet is being systematically torn apart, but he is still able to push the captured Colony pass the final phase line, only to watch as Bright orders a Nuclear Barrage on it. Backlit by the Colony being consumed by Nuclear explosions, Kou and Gato continue to fight it out with Gato still distracted by Amuro and thus before he realizes it, Kou has forced him into a corner he cannot recover from and thus the Nightmare of Solomon is killed. With Gato's death, Cima Garahau was able to take Delaz prisoner and capture his ship and use it to send up signal flares ordering the Delaz Fleet to surrender. Most follow the order, but others panic and retreat, eventually joining the Axis Fleet before they retreat before the combined might of three Federation Fleets fall upon them. Immediately after the flares, Cima entreated with Bright and explained everything to him. Including WHO she had been working for the entire time. With that as a basis, Bright contacts Jaburo, where most officers are still unaware of anything. Upon being informed of who was involved, they move swiftly, rescuing Admiral Kowen, and arresting Jamitov Hymen and Gene Coliny. Word is also sent to Bask Om's own fleet and he's arrested by his own crew and officers for treason. After the failed Delaz Uprising, the Federation decides to do further sweeps against Zeon Remnants. They form a special task force to head the campaign, placing Admiral Kowen in command with Bright Noa as field commander. These two men are more lenient in their pursuit of Zeon Remnants, as they minimize collateral damage and maximum damage on the Zeon Remnants. Never taking their forces outside of the Federation Forces' support, they keep it as a part of the larger Federation Military as opposed to an independent branch. Pilots like Emma Sheen, Jerid Messa, Ford Romfellow, Ajis Aziba, and personnel who would have fought as Titans, fight as part of this new unit and are able to bring an end to the Zeon Remnants well before Axis arrives, if it ever leaves, as the Federation would be a stable place, without the Titans and thus, no AEUG. Especially if Sayla reveals herself as the daughter of Side 3's namesake and takes control of any Zeon Remnant that would renounce further violence. That changes the narrative considerably, as Sayla could potentially take over the Republic of Zeon and begin the groundwork to reunite it with the Federation, while Reformist leaders in the Federation could move forward and create a new Charter, changing the way the Federation is organized and governs. Rosy picture, ain't it? But for every rose, there is a thorn. As there are both Zeon Remnants that would refuse Sayla's legitimacy and those, from within and without, who still harbor burning the Federation or taking control of it. That said... I think the issue of the immedate Post-War Environment and how Amuro would be effectively changed, should be considered.

[@shadows.82]

What if Heero & Quatre took Wing Zero with them during their escape from Oz or what if Soma Peries joined Celestial Being instead of Allelujah?

[@mikethecurious2489]

Aww yeah! A new episode

[@justindelacruz7118]

cat: MOR!!!! human: same

[@KionKamon]

To be honest, I feel that this is one possible outcome of several for the Zeta Gundam part of the story. I feel that if Amuro has been involved with the Titans at all, he might have left them pretty early on due to being able to sense how rotten certain people in the organization were. However it is possible that if Amuro hadn’t been placed under house arrest could have been part of the AEUG, but it is really hard to say what would have happened. As stated due to the butterfly effect there really could be several other differences that happen as a result of Char dying in the One Year War.

[@4G12]

The Gundam UC universe obviously follows these 3 laws: 1. Nothing is free, you pay for everything. 2. No, you can't avoid taxes. 3. Don't worry, it only gets worse.

[@ultave]

YES! I've been waiting for this!

[@yuzeles]

anaheim is a mobile suit producer so they have the GOOD stuff stored there and it help on the fight

[@gregbryan1656]

I think you overlooked the attack on Bright Noa's shuttle. Namely the intervention of Kamille and Char. So it should also have been as possibly that without the two of them Bright was killed before he had a chance to even join the AEUG. That is if the fact Bright didn't run afoul of the Titans thanks to Kamille stealing the Mark II didn't come into play with the new timeline either.

[@wdcain1]

Fun video. Personally I think a video detailing what if Amuro never got into the Gundam would be interesting. Without him as the pilot then probably Ryu Jose would be its pilot and while he's a good pilot, I don't think he was ever established as a NewType so that would be a big problem. It's hinted that Miss Matilda only kamikazed her ship to kill Marsh because she "felt" Amuro's soul and the Black Tri-Stars not being on the frontlines during Odessa could be catastrophic for the Federation.

[@EksaStelmere]

Aaaaaah~ My beautiful baby (the Gaplant) getting to shiiiiiiine~!!

[@oscarchan2624]

Looking back at this there’s an issue AEUG will never have the Rick deas since the gundalium alloy will never be made and the Rick deas will not be able to come to production. And since char is the one who’s being the middleman for AEUG and axis that also mean a lot of other tech will not flow to AEUG

[@animegamesmoviesandotherst3037]

This good, I like this so much, this is what I though would happen if Char was dead. this next part is huge as Haman should be different or less jaded. I think a big thing in this is will be Amuro if he goes into space sooner? after what took place with the gas attack.

[@anthonywalker6268]

I think the delta plus would still exist. Either the titans would figure out transformation, or the AEUG might leak it to axis. In the second case the Bawoo might be what gets to exist. Or, maybe both exist, and they fight being they probably both be ace units.

[@MrDarksol]

A long wait but so worth it!

[@GojiraFan-in9oo]

Can you do your Top 10 Favorite Gundams, and your Top 10 NON Gundam Mobile Suits

[@aliastheabnormal]

When saving Char is considered the lesser of two evils. You know the world is fucked up.

[@kevinharding3281]

This reminds me of some of the "what ifs" from gundam vs zeta gundam.

[@chunghinsun5899]

I'm interested in a scenario where you incorporate 0083's characters into it. Gato may or may not survive to fight another day during YYW. If he survives he might be able to pull off operation star dust. If not then either the Titans don't get formed or they'll have to create a false flag attack to get the excuse to great the Titan.

[@DrForrester87]

I'm sure by the time of Zeta, the NT-1 would have been studied, the ideas improved on, and as it was a one-off Gundam, it'd have been retired and scrapped in favor of newer models.

[@Milk-ur9ch]

Amuro getting the Alex eventually leads to the G-Saviour seeing even more combat due to the even more corrupted earth

[@TheHiddenBoss]

*Shudders* I fear to see what worse the Earth Federation could possibly do other than deny the answer to solving world hunger because reasons and then somehow having their entire faction fall completely apart because their leader flew an enemy shuttle without telling his allies not to shoot him.

[@alaxandarsaysamone7965]

I think Char was the one of the MS that leaded to the development of the Rick Dias so it would just be Nemo and GMII