Kaldheim - Traditional Commanders | The Command Zone 375 | Magic: The Gathering EDH

[@calebward6583]

Do you think we could call Josh’s helm the Helm of the Host

[@KCBGhost]

Lol, you be me to it. I was going to say that Josh was equipped with Helm of the Host

[@calebward6583]

Lol nice

[@Shockwave377]

Yes

[@bryanmacdonald8015]

This needs to be higher in the comments.

[@andricaion9036]

Guys, did they say when the next episode of game knights will be out?

[@harrisonheppelmann7938]

Notable: vorenclex says “if you would put” and doubling season says “if an effect would put”. This difference means that vorenclex doesn’t care about the cost/effect difference. It will double the loyalty added to planeswalkers when you plus them.

[@hiddenleaf414]

Ahhhh thank you! As a newer player I was wondering why it was worded differently like that! The “you” vs “an effect” really confused me. I still thought it was an effect that gave the loyalty to a planeswalker when you plus them.

[@RoastedPheasant]

@@hiddenleaf414 The reason it's different is because the planeswalker loyalty ability + and - are COSTS, rather than effects. That's why you can't ultimate a planeswalker immediately: you can't pay the cost! I know it's confusing to have "adding loyalty" as a cost, but thats the way it be.

[@rowkingsbury945]

Doubling season can double loyalty counters, but only as the planeswalker enters the battlefield

[@marvin5342]

Also your opponents can no longer add loyality to their planeswalkers with +1 abilitys

[@dyrethna343]

In brawl on arena, I managed to ult Basri Ket, but couldn't get rid of their commander, vorinclex. My commander enters the battlefield with 1 loyalty and can only +0 to make something indestructible for my turn. Then I go to combat and the emblem makes a soldier. It was rough.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

"Traditional Commanders" was a good name for this video, but maybe a better name could be "Orvar, the All-Form Deck Tech".

[@lasterman94100]

To be fair, he's really busted, and they're talking about each strategy or loop you can do with each of the cards, and he tends to have a lot

[@ryanbowen4526]

Yoooo Demo I thought the same thing during the maniacal giggling over the sheer value possible

[@JesperEjsing]

You guys should have had me read the Scandi-card names

[@ColorwaveCraftsCo]

Yes! Missed opportunity

[@Lady_Kitsune09]

100%

[@TheKawaiiCakes]

Velkommen tilbake til kaldheim, det er tid for tungmetal! *skrikende i rakdos farger*

[@lasterman94100]

The art on Koma is Amazing, and I recognized the style immediately, great job (even tho the card itself is super opressive)

[@itayraviv2422]

I'm looking at your last name, scratching my head and nodding...

[@alexodom358]

Kardur doesn't goad the creature on the battle field, it forces all opponents creatures to attack each combat if able until your next turn. the difference is that if an opponent casts a haste creature or turns a non creature into a creature before their combat phase but after Kardur's ability triggers it still has to attack. Goad affects creatures, Kardur's thing affects the game rules themselves.

[@seasnek7024]

Oh that actually makes so much sense. That's a really good effect then

[@zcck7885]

Came here to say this. Good catch.

[@devyn54]

Gotta love the ad calling out their lore fail, A+ recovery

[@Thoughtmage100]

Wait which one?

[@TheSpunYarn]

I love "this is the most authentic helmet" being paired with a reference image of the most inauthentic helmet lol

[@jamesalvey117]

When they discuss boast in this video, they say "whenever a creature attacks", but the notable part of this ability is that the creature with boast has to attack @25:50

[@stfinalwrath]

Hears them mention mulldrifter in Animar, glances at Jin-Gitaxias taking up that slot in my Animar... Yeahhhhh......

[@MustangMike52]

[The Progress Engine hated that]

[@Zanthosus]

I can't believe they didn't mention Hornet Queen when talking about Fynn! It literally makes 5 deathtouchers on a single card!

[@pumkinswift8263]

And they have evasion, too.

[@direkitsune]

And hornets nest, which would be good with a fight spell used on it and one of your big creatures

[@DarkEinherjar]

That seven CMC still stings, though...

[@sunstrid3r44]

I think they did poorly on some of the small/uncommon legends, in some of them they spent more time talking about why they dont like the card than showing good cards to go with it

[@alexkulis7295]

They also missed the interaction with nylea’s bow and ohran frostfang.

[@SilensIntro]

At 1:07:55 you reference having to trigger Kardur’s ETB ability again for it to “see” creatures your opponents played and goad them if they have haste. It’s actually the opposite, Kardur says “until your next turn” so they’re goaded no matter what. Sweet right? Thanks for all your awesome content, keep it up!

[@leonperez933]

I swear you’re so cringe

[@monkypker10]

True..static ability would effect all current creatures until controllers next turn

[@DarkEinherjar]

The interesting thing about Inga is that she doesn't care who controls the creatures, so if someone tries to remove her, you could Pongify an opponent's creature in response to help hit that magic three.

[@Arcdemon44]

"I can Twiddle my Sakashima" Now we know what JLQ does for fun on the side.

[@cooldudewithfreshdrip3113]

"Should we make Orvar 6 mana or 7?" "Well I wanna play it sooner so..."

[@edhdeckbuilding]

orvar = start putting aether snap in my decks again.

[@dahuntre]

And maybe Gaze of Granite in BG! The same can be said for Tergrid, could cost 6 or 7 or 8, but...

[@AnonYmous-mc5zx]

Run away together seems the funniest. "Your creature and my creature are gonna run away together." "But your creature is still there." "Nah that's his stand in."

[@DarkEinherjar]

Virulent Sliver is crying at the fact that everyone, including Wizards, forgot about Poisonous. :'(

[@Themadwollf]

Fynn the Fangbearer: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@direkitsune]

Mix it with Venom Sliver, and now its 3 counters on hit

[@erikgrundy]

wizards make a habit of not including too many keywords in standard sets, to avoid confusing new players. it doesn't make sense to reintroduce poisonous just for one card

[@snakeman830]

Few thoughts: 1. Magda seems like a perfect inclusion to Depala, Pilot Exemplar. Depala is a dwarf that wants to be tapped, cares about dwarves, and uses vehicles (crewing based on power), which all synergizes with Magda (who can also tutor vehicles if you like). And Depala wants the mana Magda provides. 2. Fynn looks like he opens up more comfortable use of infect creatures in Hapatra.

[@wildfyre-music]

Ngl, I love the way command zone does commercials. I genuinely end up laughing, or just being impressed with the way they connected it with the lore. If I was a company seeking advertising on KZbin, I'd only want the kind of quality command zone was putting out 👌👌👌

[@lthammox]

You’re seriously underestimating Fynn. I built the deck, and regularly pull off fast wins with it. Bunch of low cmc deathouchers. If they stabilize, I have a bunch of really efficient blockers to sit behind while I proliferate with contagion clasp/engine, Karn’s Bastion, or Evolution Sage. Rogue’s Passage etc. also works. It’s a house😎

[@kriptonite981]

I'm definitely putting him in Atraxa since she has death touch and proliferates

[@hiddenleaf414]

I think Fynn 1v1 is even better than Feather. I do think it gets worse in 4 player free for all. A well timed board wipe or someone steals your commander can really hurt the game plan.

[@KitsuLeif]

"[...] maybe in two years we hit critical mass and that deck is a thing." Pah... watch me build an all Common&Uncommon "Fynnfect" deck right now!

[@direkitsune]

Im suprised they didnt mention Bow of Neyla, which also gives all attacking creatures deathtouch. Considering all the tramplers in green, i think it would work pretty well

[@KitsuLeif]

@@direkitsune Bow of Nylea is a trap in the 99 with Fynn as the Commander. If you go for Deathtouch tribal, most of your creatures should already have it, making the Bow redundant. If you don't have a lot of Deathtouch creatures with Fynn at the helm to begin with, you're already doing something wrong.

[@direkitsune]

@@KitsuLeif not exactly, it like the viper give things that dont have deathtouch have it. In the 99 its not a trap, its a decent redundancy. Its mono green, your going to have some utility creatures that have use later as well

[@KitsuLeif]

@@direkitsune Well, I can't use either of them in my Uncommonder build :D

[@direkitsune]

@@KitsuLeif fair dues

[@seasnek7024]

Me who can't play face-to-face right now and wants to build a Fynn edh deck. "Guess i'll play brawl on MTGArena" MTGArena: Litterally only 6 mono green cards with deathtouch in standard XD

[@sammeakin3584]

Josh: "Yeah... but I can only do it once." Well played, sir.

[@Neuverfleischer]

That Alena/Halana ad was hilarious, but that line "that is a whole new experience for someone converted in fur" had me squeaking xD

[@danacoleman4007]

seeing twiddle brings back some great memories. many is the night I would twiddle my bone flute at the card table with my buddies watching.

[@WillieTannerBuilds]

"CARDOOR, Doomscourge". Is that the guy who always scratches up my car at the grocery?

[@ProphetofEndTimes]

I think a keyword would be appropriate for cards that say "This spell can't be countered." How about... "Inevitable"

[@LogoMotive11]

That sounds SO good. They should at least make a commander that can't be countered and comes back from grave/exile each turn called "the inevitable

[@xenostar6482]

I am inevitable

[@dapperparraper860]

That sounds good, but for a keyword that’s supposed to represent can’t be countered it comes off as a but narrow flavor wise since there are cards that instead of countering things return a target spell to your hand as you cast it, such as Narset’s reversal. To me inevitable would make more sense for something that basically has hexproof when being cast or literally cannot be stopped, but that’s just me. A way simpler solution maybe something along the lines of uncountarable or something like that even if it doesn’t sound as cool, pretty or epic as something like inevitable. However, I do think inevitable could be its own keyword with a few minor tweaks though.

[@jacoblachapelle4301]

I'm just imagining Magda, Brazen Outlaw with Maskwood Nexus in the deck... Instant speed tutor for any creature in your deck seems legit

[@fanaticalproductions9661]

Aquitect’s Will also draws you a card because Orvar’s a merfolk

[@stephenarbeau8103]

So if Josh is the podcast host... And he's wearing a helmet... Will we get a non legendary token of Josh Lee Kuai with hast at the beginning of his combat phase? 🤔

[@amingsus5831]

No he will have host

[@lordvaust5830]

Out of all the commanders (that aren’t the Mod spells), Svella has to be my favorite. Creating a bunch of snow mana rocks and allowing you to cast spells for a fixed cost while digging through your deck at the same time is very big. Especially with the kinds of crazy landfall and aggro potential that Gnottvold colors has.

[@azzychentnik1663]

Yoooo, magda would be a staple in a depala deck, dwarf tribal, ramp, and can search out vehicles in a BOROS deck (plus you can play smothering tythe along side her)

[@daxamlhant7285]

55:06 One opponent blocks an attack from another opponent and then before damage you ping the creature that would already die so that the attacking/blocking creature deals excess. Great when something is thrown under the bus unless it is a 1/1

[@sp00n29]

I'm so glad you mentioned Orvar, the All-Form's interaction with Sakashima. 😂

[@DillyBar825]

Orvar is sweet with draining whelk because as long as you have a twiddle or a similar card you can hold up at instant speed, you can keep countering spells, and pumping out copies of draining whelk with +1/+1 counters on them

[@bryanmacdonald8015]

Agent of treachery with the shapeshifter commander is so good

[@Murkaeus]

Captive Flame and/or Ghitu War Cry both work really well with Kardur combat shenanigans because while your opponents' creatures are attacking each other, you can buff key creatures to make combat provide you with the best result.

[@AldoTorresblexaz]

Josh: Maybe they learnt from like Thrasios and stuff. WotC: * Prints Kinnan a couple of sets ago * 👁👄👁

[@LogoMotive11]

Josh I think your explanation of how some combo decks are hard to rate on the power scale was excellent. As you said, there are decks that just cannot compete with the speed and consistency of cedh, but will have some games where you win turn 3 easy. So it's hard to find a place to play those decks. However it is fun to try and tune those decks with each new set to try and and make it cedh viable

[@MichaelJohnMAGA]

Starts at 5:16.

[@TabooX1984]

Thanks 👍

[@PrimeEnLightenedShadow]

These comments never get enough love.

[@inajar7947]

Alternate name for "regular" commanders: "One-sided Commanders"

[@noahhoffenberg6971]

Josh's helmet is way more authentic then the image they showed. Simply because vikings helmets didn't have horns. And there is currently no real evidence to say they did

[@fanaticalproductions9661]

Axgard Cavalry/ Vault Robber + Magda is 👌

[@jamespappas887]

Inspiring statuary is really good in Magda since you can tap them for “mana” but not sacrifice them, then activate Magdas ability to tutor for a dragon/artifact

[@yosefzanerva806]

Toski is supposed to represent the squirrel Ratatosk from Norse mythology, the squirrel of the world tree, who happens to be immortal, so the indestructible is a real flavor move. Also, Koma represents Jörmungandr, the world serpent, who awakes at Ragnorok, and Saqrulf represents Fenris wolf. There are so many flavor cards in MTG history, and it's a theme that I really like.

[@TripleBMusic]

This seems to never get mentioned but if Vega is not your commander, casting your commander from the command zone draws you a card.

[@beckhamkunkler2910]

I was playing at an online prerelease, and I didn't even think to make a commander deck around Sarulf.

[@kitsovereign4127]

One interesting part of Vorinclex is that he cares about your actions, not your permanents. So unlike previous cards like Doubling Season, Pir, and the snek, Vorinclex works nicely with a -1/-1 counter strategy. Or poison!

[@brennanhuffman4108]

Orvar, the all-form with eye of the storm. That would go nuts.

[@KingRorix]

I have a deck built and ready for Fynn. I just like how much more dangerous he turns a 1/1 deathtouch you played for G. You can swing with it by turn two with Fynn out and either they block and lose their early creature or they don't and they already have 2 poison counters. I also added plenty of ways to make creatures unblockable or trampling to get damage through, along with first and double strike to keep them alive in combat. I put in spells like Ram Through for super cheap creature removal. I'm not sure how good it'll actually be, but I'm really excited to try it out.

[@phantoml255]

Orvar Counter-Play: Arasta of the endless web in a Selesnya deck with Cathar's Crusade or a similar effect

[@phantoml255]

@@gysahlgemuse7208 hmm, in a singleton format it'd have limited use without flash to cut off loops

[@dtopa7524]

Vega also triggers from casting your commander from the command zone. Also Cipher :)

[@sheahon1179]

I don't know about authentic, but it is awesome! I'd pronounce that as (More-I-te), and I'm super excited about Sarulf, honestly this whole set is an amazing adaptation of the Norse pantheon and I love it. Sarulf is an incredibly unique commander a mass exile in the Command Zone? I think this is the first time that has happened, I can't wait to exile all my oponent's stuff, kill their creatures as they try to rebuild and start knocking them out with Commander Damage, just seems super unique and is massively flavorful

[@garrisonfrost5377]

I'm really looking forward to all these new commanders!!!

[@AnonYmous-mc5zx]

Orvar gonna be the kind of commander where he'll need to walk around with a sign saying his deck powerlevel because that dude has a wide variety of powerlevels you can pilot him at. Racing to infinite mana is a bit obvious but he seems like an absurdly fun "faf about" deck where you're just sitting there internally unlocking achievements for stuff like "how many archaeomancers in one game" or "whats the largest activation you can get on one myr battlesphere?"

[@golgariguy]

Whim of Volrath was bought out when Orvar was revealed. It was an 80 cents card before.

[@bslangable]

better yet: I just bought a 7th edition foil twiddle for 20 bucks hahahaha, kaching!

[@golgariguy]

@@bslangable Stonks!

[@bslangable]

@@golgariguy I just like the stock;)

[@vladimirampov8935]

by the way, you can use Sakashima of a Thousand Faces to ramp up legendary creatures using Orvar, and you can copy him to allow you to make multiple copies of Sakashima of a Thousand Faces so you can make even more copies of other legendary creatures you control, such as koma or vorinplex

[@tylerowens]

I double checked the rules and yes you could draw your whole deck with Aegar and Niv if they have an indestructible creature.

[@almisami]

Kardur is a *better* goad, specifically because he doesn't care if the creatures enter after he is played. he affects the board, not creatures.

[@The_Chimney_Imp]

'was looking for this 'cause yeah.

[@hiddenleaf414]

But wouldn’t opponents play their creatures during their post combat main phase then?

[@Merlijn1994]

@@hiddenleaf414 sure, but they still can't attack you with a creature with haste that turn

[@jonathandoherty9082]

Just received your kickstarter playmat, love it! I put Fynn in Hapatra as an alternate win con. And koma is in my Sea Monster Arixmethes deck for flavor

[@jacobmiller103]

Fynn feels custom built for my Hapatra/infect deck. He synergizes perfectly with what the deck is already trying to do. The-1/-1 counters placed by creatures with infect quickly amass an army of deathtouch snakes which can now move me closer to killing my opponents with poison counters, where previously they were used more defensively unless I had an obscene amount of snakes.

[@primovictorian]

Sigrid is in my Odric deck. Instant speed battle removal, and gives creatures first strike.

[@faerie7dragon]

Captain Sisay loves her, as a tutorable answer to a random fatty trying to smash into you, wish she had the separated lines of text so Emiel could blink her and remove threats for good.

[@AA-sr5mr]

Kardur does explicitly not goad. It's different from it, as it ALSO afftects the creatures mit haste that enter after it ETBs. Love this card!

[@ring1313]

Since you were wondering, Koll is fairly cedh viable since all the combos layer enough that is can be very consistent and very fast

[@Solemnyty]

Surprised you didn’t mention Ghostly Flicker with Orvar. Seems super good to flicker an ETB creature and an ETB land and get copies of both!

[@skrilllfury2120]

I’m looking forward to just building a Fenrir deck. Gonna make it flavorful and everything. A good deck? What’s that? I’m just trying to eat Odin, the Sun and the Moon over here.

[@Danothyus1]

Good luck exiling Alrund, blood moon/bad moon/imprisioned on the moon and caged sun/blood sun on the same game.

[@skrilllfury2120]

@@Danothyus1 You underestimate the cards that my play group plays.

[@Danothyus1]

@@skrilllfury2120 Didn't said that as sarcastic, it would actually be quite cool if you can pull off for the flavor.

[@t.o.h.b8501]

I love how u guys are so creative with ur commercials

[@TheMerlinon]

Can’t wait to finally make my squirrel deck now that Troski is coming out

[@absentahc3007]

dedicated to josh garza - fun fact, "garza" is spanish for the bird that, according to Mijaghi-Sama, represents perfect balance, if anyone remember from the original karate kid movie

[@amodking]

Hey, there is one deck firja would shine in, cleric tribal. Sense sure she is an angel but cleric too. The new white/black cleric card revives clerics from the graveyard so she will fuel your game plan. So very much a in the 99 for that specific deck.

[@Bladezeromus]

... Jimmy said "Put You in A Koma". I'm dying because that's what I named my Koma deck. It's a mill deck that takes advantage of all the bodies I'm making to fuel draw and mill outlets.

[@kevincote4850]

I’ve played with sarulf as my commander a few times now and I’ve found a few things, 1) it’s harder to get counters on this than you’d think, 2) when you do get counters on him, the threat of the counter removal is a far more effective political tool than actually wiping is

[@GuardianAngelEatos]

Oh gosh! I just realized that Ovar can make a bunch of copies of Perplexing Chimera and create the ultimate headache and lockdown for all players.

[@FurthestSon]

Wasn't mentioned but I think Sarulf is actually really good in Chevill. Lots of opponents stuff dying for massive gains and if things go really wonky you can exile. But also draws removal away from your other key pieces

[@brandonwomack5591]

5:03 Review Start

[@brandonwomack5591]

52:39 After ads

[@TheMystcast]

do not mind me, I am just here to see which cards spiked due to just the mention of it.

[@kylejones5518]

"Math is for blockers" has turned into "it just sounds like headache, you have to watch the math constantly"

[@johncreekpaum4998]

Arnie looks like straight fire in a Godzilla deck. Attack, Boast, Arnie has 8 power (Godzilla has 7) and essentially has 8 toughness in combat.

[@firstandlast.1254]

Yeah, but then you gotta play all those cards :/

[@johncreekpaum4998]

@@firstandlast.1254 Um, yeah, that's kind of the point of the game. You play cards that are in the theme or strategy of the deck. Godzilla is all about big power creatures, Arnie is a cheap creature who gets big power. What would you put in a Godzilla EDH deck?

[@chadgiornogiovannikarp6772]

I wish one day to see only one thing: A compilation of every comeback made in command zone

[@unwucht1529]

If I am not mistaken, Disrupt Decorum only goads creatures that are already on the battlefield. Kardur's effect should be a general effect that does not allow your opponents to attack you with their creatures as long there is another option, even if those creatures were just cast the following turn and have haste.

[@AwesomeRaptor21]

Varragoth is absolutely going into my Vaevictus Asmadi, the Dire deck. Tutoring any permanent before Vaevictis' trigger resolves is bonkers.

[@JonNuclear]

Craig after the Vorinclex flexing: I don't know guys the whole video just courted I don't know what to say, guess you'll have to re-record the whole thing, oh no

[@nasaya77]

Varragoth is great for Alesha. She can bring him out and activate the boast. Tutor a card to the top. Next turn or on an extra combat, you cast a stitches suppliers type effect so the tutor card is in the graveyard available to be summoned. It's not top end, but it's still a tutor 🤷‍♂️

[@prashrad2382]

Nice helmet Josh, it looks great!

[@MetatronTrismegistus]

I can help you with the Nordic pronunciation if you so desire, Moritte for example has a silent "e", pronounced "Morit". Jitte is definitely a traditional Japanese weapon and there you add emphasis to the end like "te". By the way, you nailed the pronuncation for Firja and Svella

[@Antare5]

I have a soft spot for Firja, judge of valor. I think the white weeny route is doable, given that you'll most likely spend your early turns vomiting tiny creatures onto the board until you can cast Firja, and then she helps you fill your card and card select to keep going, meanwhile using reanimator effects to get your creatures back. It seems like it could work It's also a color shifted Underrealm Lich in the command zone and that's a card I get a lot of use out of. I think this commander is worth a look.

[@LynxLord1991]

Its alright Josh we are used to people having a hard time with our languages so much so that when people try we go please keep it english XD

[@TheSilentBurst]

The infinite I run in my budget Orvar deck is Scholar of the Ages + Peregrine Drake with 2 target instants in hand/graveyard. This produces infinite tokens and infinite untaps. The way I win off of it is by having one of the those target spells be a cantrip, or have a draw etb creature on board and draw out my entire deck into Thassa's Oracle. I used to have Spark Double in my 99 as well (and other ways to produce the infinite draw + mana) but I removed them b/c my playgroup is much more casual and yet the deck still stomps. Being able to rampant growth for free or even just a single blue is absolutely busted.

[@shadewalkerlarp]

Looking forward to Extra Turns where Mitch from CQ comes on and plays Vega to show just how strong it can be in budget.

[@actiongeek1]

"If I Twiddle my Sakashima"... hahaha... please... not on screen, but definitely WITH your helmet, Josh.

[@ethangreenberger8182]

of note. kardur does effect creatures that ETB after the ability resolves. the video gets it wrong. it is in the release notes explicitly.

[@kevinlewis1675]

Chromatic orrery still works cause you can tap it in response to the orvar trigger. Then gain the mana. Then make another. Then sac the OG, then target the chromatic orrery. Then repeat

[@ryansprenkle6356]

I pulled 2 Vorinclex. One from each of my boxes. The third pack in each box. One was the Phyrexian alt art

[@friedpinnapple]

Omg this set is so good for brudiclad. Magda, orva, goldspan dragon all are great in that deck.

[@307butters]

Kardur, Doomscourge went straight into my Marchesa the black rose deck. Pretty much means every single turn I am getting that card to ETB.

[@Sackquaza]

They forgot about mutate going well with Sarulf.

[@snakeman830]

I didn't even think of that. Granted, the best mutate creatures seem to involve blue, so you can't use them in a Sarulf-headed deck. Also, Ashaya will protect all of your nontoken creatures.

[@TrueTgirl]

Orvar feels kinda similar to Feather both in that they open worlds of jank and that jank is specifically best capitalized on with low-cost spells that target things.

[@poofypeanut0221]

I’ll update my comment at the end to see if you guys did a good job, but I really hope these cards are reviewed as possibilities for the 99 just as much as they are as commanders. Just because they ARE legendary doesn’t mean they should only be thought deeply about as commanders themselves.

[@olivierdebilde4292]

Lure effects on Toski; definitely something I will try out :)

[@runekristensen9986]

As a person from Denmark, I can say it's much faster to get a viking helmet than it's for cardkingdom to deliver here...

[@blakem000]

Love your content, been brewing Koma and has been a blast!

[@georgeakoury7915]

Josh's guilded lotus combo might work better with the indestructible mana rock from zendikar rising.