Kang Daniel Apologizes / Extraordinary Woo Parody Criticized/ Kim Garam Out [DK NEWS]

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[@stayxskzleebit6030]

Kang Daniel was intimidated not by their dance and strong stage presence but by their heavy makeup and eyeliners. And he was glad it was over made it sound like he wasn't the least interested in hosting the show😑. woah that seems a little insensitive.... He just seems like a little stupid, aloof and conceited. A faux pas which he ultimately apologized because someone made him do it.

[@luvski5480]

@@stayxskzleebit6030 whats your basis on this? the cut out screen cap? at least try fact checking before you judge him. the hater posted only a few of his chats and they are not even in order they are put together to make it look like he saying bad things, and isnt it unfair that we see his chats and not see chats of people he is responding to? do you know what they are saying to him? obviously you are just riding on the hate train without knowing the context of the issue.

[@stayxskzleebit6030]

@@luvski5480My basis on this is dkdktv read the chats and asked for their female viewers opinion on the Kang Daniel situation. That's basically my 2cents regarding the chats. ✌️

[@luvski5480]

@@stayxskzleebit6030 that is what we are calling a haters plot coz showing only his chats without showing the other party's chat and reason why respond like that is unfair don't u think? coz people will only base on those cut out chats and will judge him already. by the way in this private chat only Daniel can see all comments, a member can only see his chat and Daniel 's chat, so people there don't really know what kind of hateful messages he is getting there, u will just know bcoz of his response. this hater plot is toxic coz u cant check the whole convo unless u subscribe and even if u subscribe u only see daniels chat not everyone else chat, so judging him easily by this screen captures which are taken from diff topics are so unfair to him, he did apologized for the misunderstanding he caused and for the worries he gave his fans. but still its so unfair for him to be judge like this.

[@daltokki3454]

I thought this post was interesting bout Garram. kzbin.infoUgkxSMEWNtFyiXvekP6PgOVMhfZmMCFnXgzJ?ocd=1 It's unfortunate how spiteful Korean society can be, when they see someone gain a little bit of success or popularity, they try to find out a way to take them down and allow the internet gaslight them.

[@melon8258]

As a mother with a child on the autism spectrum, what that KZbinr did was incredibly distasteful. My child also exhibits similar speech patterns as the character, and it is not something to be mocked. It’s the way they process their thoughts and communicate, and it may be weird or comical (or cute) to some, but it is who they are and it’s not something others should take and make light of.

[@jamiepaul6305]

I agree! Park Eun Bin, who plays the character. even declined the role initially for fear of offending any person on the autism spectrum or any loved one. Social media, not just KZbin, has allowed people to mock individuals with autism, tics, personality disorders and mental illness. What is our world coming to???

[@ao1162]

@@jamiepaul6305 yeah they even romanticize mental illnesses and want to have them wtf

[@Dominicn123]

i agree to an extent but understand that it's a good move rather than a bad one as it brings to light their unique speech patterns, the more exposure it gets in any sense (as long as it's not a negative interpretation) are only good things in actually normalizing that type of speech/stutter/pattern that people with autism experience, the more it's normalized, the more that people won't think so much of it! the youtuber wasn't mocking anyone with autism and that type of speech

[@daverbaortiz3401]

I’m also the mother of an autistic non verbal kid and I agree with you.

[@melon8258]

@@Dominicn123 ​ that is the same argument that the KZbinr made, and although the intention may be harmless (or a “good move” as you put it), it’s ultimately how it affects those on the receiving end of this. For me, it’s akin to making clips of mimicking tics to pretend to be someone with Tourette’s syndrome. Even if the intent wasn’t to mock, it’s in extremely poor taste. I think the show is a very good start in spreading awareness especially for a place like Korea where there is a lot of stigma when it comes to “disabilities”, but making clips of mimicking behavior and potentially profiting off these clips just isn’t it.

[@krieayreen]

As a woman, I totally understand what Kang Daniel is talking about. If I was in his shoes I'd be uncomfortable too. It's just that people need to chill, we don't need to be sensitive with everything. Let's not make mountain out of molehill

[@DoseofJikook88]

As a female, I'm with Kang Daniel. I understand how he could feel. This is why celebrities can't be completely themselves to the public. I couldn't live walking on eggshells

[@katie5920]

Don't really see how their makeup was relevant but he's allowed to feel nervous.

[@badlilthang2]

@@katie5920 maybe the makeup seemed intimidating to him?? not defending that claim though since the make up really was irrelevant to how he felt nervous around the women since usually ppl feel more comfortable with ppl of their gender

[@Markus0021]

Thank you so much - exactly what I was feeling. I would personally prefer hearing honest opinions of people to a constant stream of politically correct self-censoring drivel. I might disagree with the person, but I can still respect their opinion, and understand and respect their feelings.

[@pinkpanda3969]

Did you see the street man casting? They were literally the swf's boys version. Their tv personality is literally same. So if he feels like with woman then he should feel same with man too. Because i personally feel same like daniel but also for man casting i also feel same. Their strong image is scary. But in korea girls can't be strong they must be cute and lovely it they are strong then its scary but for man its not that because only male can be strong. Like shindong said your a woman so you can't be fat I'm man so i can. People missed this detail. He doesn't say same thing for both side.

[@julianasilva6946]

@@katie5920 maybe the make up makes the women look more intimidating, which makes sense.

[@lex6819]

I agree with David. I don't think Kang Daniel said anything wrong. He was nervous and a little scared around a lot of older, strong boss girls. What he said was honest. I think most men are scared of women and if they say they aren't, they are lying.

[@tgkdniel]

I was in that chat with Kang Daniel for 1.5 hours. There were definitely trolls in that chat. It happens all the time, that's why Universe added the blocking feature recently after repeated requests by fans. The screen shots were cut and paste. If you've read the whole chat, you'd know it was taken out of context. The initial comments were by haters who jump quickly on this sort of thing. There are now Korean news articles questioning if this was even an issue, and lots of comments from knetizens that what Daniel said was no big deal and he needn't have apologize.

[@Markus0021]

Thank you. Agree completely.

[@salomebrandenberg1010]

yess! thank you for clearing that up!

[@Random-yz1hl]

Thank you! I really don't see any problem in his messages. I was also in that universe chat room and that person brought up sexist issue is definitely a hater

[@csy897]

We need a way to block artists from making ridiculous apologies. This is such a non-issue

[@kaly5678]

I find it so ridiculous that these trolls are willing to pay an additional fee just to troll someone.

[@melomelody9796]

I'm a woman, put me in a room full of women older than me in a country that cares about seniority and they are all full of strong aura. I would be intimidated too and I'm pretty competitive but the competitive environment on the show was scary as hell. I agree with Kang Daniel

[@jezreelbullock6280]

I didn't even think about this perspective. Another reason I am on his side here

[@nhjeihdu]

It's not a gender insensitivity issue. Everyone can be scared of standing infront of those of the opposite gender.

[@Akhile_hope]

Exactly

[@amandavaldez9315]

As a therapist of children with Autism and a fan Extraordinary AttorneyWoo I can say you can’t even capture the full extent of the exceptionality and diverse Nature of Autism Spectrum Disorder. If a parent of a child with Autism or a person who is Autistic is offended then the content is offensive. One thing Attorney Woo did a great job of explaining Autism Spectrum Disorder.

[@Mafi19]

I agree. Especially on the third episode i think where there was another autistic character. It was refreshing to see another type of the autistic spectrum displayed.

[@carla123473]

As a woman, I'm not offended. Being easily offended is becoming prevalent nowadays. Idk why.

[@shoebaglady]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@NYX8Kon]

Yeah exactly

[@ShammaAzmi]

Yeah same here. They're all "Karens" to be honest which is an insult to all the lovely people with that name.

[@larularulei7533]

There's a fine line between imitation and mocking. Park Eun-Bin is talented, she portrays an autistic person with a lot of love and contributes as much effort to the character as she possibly can, anyone watching the drama can say that. The youtuber in question is just mocking autism casually and heartlessly for hype, which is unacceptable for many viewers. Kang Daniel's case is overrated and a bit funny :) "Yes I'm an idol and have been in showbiz for quite a few years but heavy eye makeup alone scares me to bits" :D A somewhat clumsy way to demonstrate you're oh-so-cutely-innocent but that's it. Miles away from any kind of real controversy.

[@amishasweetie]

I just find it kind of funny how a huge plot of the show was that she isn’t able to find work because no one wants to hire an autistic person, while they literally cast a non-autistic person for the lead role that could have been given to someone who actually has autism.

[@larularulei7533]

@@amishasweetie Autism spectrum is pretty wide. A fully adapted and high functional autistic person behaves like the rest of us most of the time so there's no point for this particular show. A person on the heavier side of autism spectrum (and most probably with a few accompanying disorders, that's the way it often is) would not manage the hardships of the movie production process, tight schedules etc. without harm to his/her condition. They have limits you know. This considered, it is best to have a talented actress play the part IMO. Sure there will be mistakes and overdone plot twists and yet the project is worth doing, imperfect as it is :)

[@amishasweetie]

@@larularulei7533 I don’t think there isn’t any point. It’s like what I said, they’re still discriminated against (even in the show). Despite being fully capable, people still have prejudice against her. They still have unique struggles and I think it would’ve been worth it to show that respect by casting someone who is autistic. Idk maybe it’s just something that should be thought about for future dramas.

[@larularulei7533]

@@amishasweetie Well you're right about discrimination still existing in the world and also shown in the drama. One drama alone is not going to fix all the prejudice. And yet, it is indeed a breakthrough to have a leading character with loads of screen time representing autism spectrum and showing diversity to the public. Calling this disrespect is your entitlement to an opinion of course but I personally do not support it, period.

[@snamiza]

First of all, the screenshot was edited by haters (trolls in the Universe app). I was in the chatroom. When he talked about strong eye liner, he wanted to explain about something else (not about the SWF dancers at all). The troll screenshot a few conversation, cut and paste, and edit and make it look like he's being sex1st. For the SWF issue, logically, anyone could be intimidated in front of those dancers. It's normal. There is no issue of sex1st at all. Everyone needs to read the whole 1.5hrs conversation and you know Daniel is innocent. It's a private chat by the way. The word "sex1st" used by haters, Koreaboo and Pannchoa. They are all Daniel's antis. Daniel blocked those trolls (not fans!) who talked bad about his cats and his family. I would do the same. Anyway, thank you for this video. I just want to remind everyone that the screenshots were edited by haters.

[@wanieldaniel3601]

Yes this is correct 100%

[@lunaskye621]

I dont think it's gender insensitivity. When I'm in a room full of men, I am uncomfortable. I feel out of place. When I'm in a room full of women, I'm much more comfortable. I think he probably just felt that there were more restrictions on him like how he behaves and acts whereas with men, he can be more free and have less fear about expressing himself. I'm not saying that he wants to say anything sexist to the women but it's just a boundary thing. I hope this makes sense. Kang Daniel doesn't strike me as sexist.

[@kaath5408]

Person w autism here; I personally don’t mind cosplay, however when it’s people acting like the character woo young woo, I find it a bit dangerous since the actors of these skits don’t do any research and are basically spreading misinformation/a stereotype. The show only showed two people with different embodiments (?) of autism. I personally didn’t recognise myself in either. Like the show stated it’s a spectrum and they did an attempt at showing that. I don’t think it’s enough to bring awareness to autism. (Informing the general public on autism in an educated manner) But the show isn’t about autism. It’s about woo young woo who is autistic. (Only watched until ep 4 so far; no spoilers plz)

[@lisreads4872]

As much as I love the show I do agree. Media in general only tends to portray the most extreme ends of the spectrum. Whereas in reality a lot of us are just somewhere in between. In the end the only representation we see is of the most stereotypical kind. Not to discredit Extraordinary Woo or The Good Doctor and other kdramas/ shows with autistic characters. But I would really like to see a bit of variation for once. Not all of us are geniuses or children in an adults body.

[@bw2462]

@@lisreads4872 Exactly, its actually rare to have a "genius" characteristic within autistic people. Spectrum is soooo broad, people mistake it as just a simple line graph with labels when its so broad like a big spiderweb full of different levels of autism.

[@UncombedHair]

I have autism too and the show was uncomfortable for me to watch. I don’t see myself in her either. I agree with this comment re. spreading misinformation and stereotypes.

[@danityranno]

Many people do not realize that there are antis on Universe chats and this is why there even is a block function. Recently, Universe added a function where you pay for 1 artist subscription and get 2 more artists for free, so people can subscribe to talk to their faves and harras 2 more artists for free. Daniel has to deal with antis everytime he comes there to chat. One time an anti proudly posted screenshots on twitter of the death threats they sent him with his response of blocking them to show off that they managed to annoy him. So people are jumping to conclusions that he blocked a fan when it's very possible that it was an anti this time too and Daniel toned down their question when in fact they included swear words or death threats. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was an anti because they posted screenshots of his messages on Twitter right afterwards. There was no time for Danity to leak them.

[@VMYeahVN]

That makes so much sense. That's awful he has to deal with that. He should move to Weverse instead. It's way safer for the artist in that sense.

[@buzzy33]

@@VMYeahVN How is it different from Universe if i may ask?

[@timeless1882]

Extraordinary Attorney Woo Young Woo is such a good show and really tackles topics such as Autism (Of course), LGBTQ, bullying, and even more stuff each episode. Also, the CGI is amazing and makes the show even more interesting with showing how Woo Young Woo sees and interact with her environment.

[@michelleyarmolinsky77]

Unfortunately I think Kang Daniel’s fear of strong women in the heavy makeup who speak their minds seems pretty common in Korea (we see it a lot with David and Korean men on other channels too). It’s probably because Korean gender norms push the notion of the ideal woman being more docile and sweet. There’s nothing wrong with being that type of person, but the stereotype of the “strong unnie” is a more subtle form of sexism that needs to change. It was fair for fans to try and start a polite conversation with Kang Daniel about this, but I don’t think people should be rude or insulting to him. Blocking those types of people is justified. But if he’s blocking anyone who tries to start the conversation with him, then it’s an issue.

[@Natllllll]

Agreed. Well explained!

[@sunshineslover1607]

Agreed

[@pinkpanda3969]

Yes if you check the smf cast you can see that only difference is just gender. Both of them have strong image. So you can scared for their strong image i scared but i also scared for man cast's strong image. But for him strong woman scary but man not. So now he is comfortable with that 'man' cast

[@lakirakira]

I really don't think it was his intention to sound judgemental about the makeup, but I have to agree there is a cultural issue ingrained there deep down. I have to mention Jessi because she is the perfect example of a strong woman with heavy makeup that CONSTANTLY gets comments that she looks scary or intimidating, and yet we all know by now she is an absolute sweetheart. She was also smart about it and made it her own brand. I do think because of her success and the SWF show success, more Korean people are realizing they shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but obviously cultural mentality changes take a while.

[@Erin-ce2wj]

This is excellently explained. My exact feelings explained more eloquently than I could.

[@preeti496]

About the gender thing actually I understand Kang Daniel, I feel much comfortable amongst my own gender, I interact easily and can joke around and be nice to everyone without somebody catching feelings and all. From school time itself I've realized I can't be the same in front of bunch of men as I am amongst girls. Now at workplace as well I try to help and support all whoever asks for regardless of gender but when it comes to men couple of years older than me I get really really formal. Though both genders are equally kind/horrible, depends from person to person. There are certain things like picking up a call after 9pm, I do not if it's men who aren't part of my family. It sounds out dated but it is just what it is.

[@lex6819]

I actually feel more comfortable around men than women. Probably because of my childhood. I have 3 younger brothers, and I was bullied at school by the other girls in the 4th grade, so I turned to hanging out with my brothers and their friends, playing D&D and not really learning how to make friends with other girls

[@Markus0021]

I agree with Vicki Hale that this can be an individual response based on personal background and environment. I have a friend that grew up with 3 sisters and no brothers and an absent father that is more comfortable around females than males. Meanwhile, another friend with no sisters feels more comfortable around guys. It can all depend on what you experienced growing up, and people should try to be accepting, not classify one as 'wrong'.

[@smallsnowball2689]

The issue with Kang Daniel's Universe private messages should have never been an issue because THE SCREENSHOTS WERE EDITED AND POSTED BY A HATER. - Screenshot consists of *messages from different topics* he talked about (details below). The hater tweeted & used engagement bots. - Those who got blocked were haters. Due to a free subscription event, they got access & have been sending him *insults and de4th threats* . They even screenshot and bragged about it on Twitter. - Full conversation was 1.5 hour long w/ many topics (sleep deprivation, neighbors, health, toy gun, etc.). - Makeup: He's talking about a toy gun at home & the revolver used in his kdrama. Some didn't get what's cool about them, so he used makeup as analogy (revolver is base, rifle is eyeliner). - SMF/SWF: Someone asked about SMF. He said he felt more comfortable as many of the guys are acquaintances. He was intimidated by the female dancers' fierceness (nothing about their makeup). He said the girls were very energetic so he couldn't keep up with them ("energy-draining"). - Despite false accusation, he still apologized for everyone's peace of mind.

[@kyungsoo]

as a woman (and an introvert) myself, i don't find daniel's comments offensive at all. i'd honestly feel the same if i have to host a show full of hyper and charismatic women lol it's only natural for him to feel more at ease with fellow men. His comments reminded me of Yu Jaesok getting mentally drained during the first season of Sixth Sense 😂he was even verbal about it throughout the show but nobody called him out for it 🤷‍♀

[@carla123473]

So true. It's the double standards for me😕

[@seyon4193]

Agreed. You are right to the point

[@jacquesdaniels2435]

Yeah, me too I'm introverted too... I'm more relax around women more than men. Especially because I overthink too much.... that's what happened to kd, he was thinking too much of he can much their energy and aura that's why he felt drained at the end.

[@611ayeenkz]

I was there.. It was a 1.5hour long conversation. Let me tell you, that PM space, has long been invaded by Kang Daniel's haters and antis as well. Not just fans are there. We've seen them (haters) even sharing their own conversation there where they mocked, attacked and harassed him with harsh words.. only recently that space provide the 'blocking' function for artists due to fans' requests. In that long 1.5 hour conversation, Daniel was talking about so many things. Sharing his views and experience with his fans. And at some point, these haters would replied to him, twisting his words accusing him of anything they wanted to picture him with, attacking his family.. Should he just let those? He did a great thing blocking those beings.. Then, them taking bits and pieces of those conversation, put them together to create 1 hateful post for him, and moving to buy fake engangements on twitter only to make it seems big. Then, here comes the forever trash Koreaboo and so on, so quick at sharing those hateful posts, painting him as such.. gosh.. What is wrong of getting scared being in a room full of an opposite gender? I would feel intimidated too. Read again on the comments on legit articles about it in Naver.. People do understand his views and found his words are not problematic at all. Don't just refer to comments from his haters' posts..

[@Wontonsouplyfe]

As someone who was bullied in middle school by Korean boys in an international school in Hong Kong, I feel for the people who were bullied by Garam. However reflecting on the situation, I realized that it would be very hard for me to prove that it happened to me given the fact that most teachers didn’t give a shit, I didn’t have a lot of friends who supported me and it wasn’t like we had smartphones to record the events. On the other hand, if my former bullies wanted to defame me, they could very easily do so and get some of my former classmates on board and I would not have any way to defend myself. I feel there is a chance that Garam may have been innocent if HYBE was saying she was actually a victim and tried to sort it out first but kicked her out because she became too much of a liability. However if she is indeed guilty then I hope she has learned that actions have consequences and learn from her mistakes so that she could move in to be a better person. For context, I wouldn’t want my former bullies to be canceled like that.

[@jooniejjun]

I agree with what you said. Assuming that she's guilty (and I don't support her behaviour) I still feel sorry for her. If only HYBE checked her backgrounds before deciding on the line up, their first official girl group (after rebranding) wouldn't have had to face such a thing.

[@fornobu]

the case was not for bullying , just school violance. both are miles different. one sided vs argument

[@Wontonsouplyfe]

@@fornobu so the issue was that she physically defended a friend from a bully?…I’m confused now

[@abiisaqib7816]

Well hybe did everything they could..literally denied the things before but ofcourse when something is true...then they can't deny further on hence it happened

[@soumya5832]

@@Wontonsouplyfe there was nothing physical from her side but definitely curses towards the alleged victim

[@emilyrosenfeldt1641]

The only reason I didn’t skip the sponsorship is because you told me not to. Good job 👏

[@katsia_rina4261]

lol. Same. It stopped my finger one second before rewinding 😆

[@swatikumari1992]

same

[@nashaalia]

Sameeeee

[@Launibu]

I agree with Daniel, people are way too sensitive. I don't see anything wrong with his comments. I also don't get offended easily though.

[@VMYeahVN]

Going off of other comments here, it seems like the fan might have been an anti specifically looking to get him in trouble (apparently that's a problem on the Universe platform). Which makes sense, because even as someone who can be more sensitive to like gender discrimination and other stuff. What he said was not problematic in any way.

[@baakojernigan7095]

My little brother is disabled and a lot of people in my family have asd along with various other disorders... it infuriates me that people would mimic any representation of what could be autistic/disabled traits just bc they think it's cute, funny and nothing serious. It's not easy.

[@AmbiCahira]

With Le Sserafim I can only imagine what it was like for the girl in the lineup that lost the spot to her only to see that spot be left empty knowing it could've been themselves in that spot. That would be rough. :(

[@whitneymouse]

that's so frustrating. I agree. I'm happy for the other members, though, because now they don't have to focus on this anymore. I feel bad they didn't get to enjoy their debut period.

[@sincerelysof]

Who knows, maybe they’ll add someone to the line-up. It’s not too late anyways!🤷‍♀️

[@VMYeahVN]

Yeah i agree. Even if she's guilty of the accusations and deserves punishment. Knowing what trainees go through to debut in an Idol group. I can't imagine what she's feeling to have lost her spot right after debut for something she allegedly did as a child. Her family might need to keep an eye on her just in case... Make sure she has some mental health support.

[@boba5648]

I would love it if they get Lee Chae-yeon in their group. She would be welcomed with open arms I think as she used to be in izone

[@whitneymouse]

@@VMYeahVN they’re talking about other trainees who could’ve debuted instead of Garam but lost the spot to Garam and now neither of them is in the group

[@nikxyten9650]

I don't see anything wrong with what Kang Daniel said. It's no different than if a female host said she was uncomfortable on a all male show. And it's fair to feel uncomfortable around the opposite sex for both male and female you can feel more at ease when your around same gender.

[@carla123473]

Totally agree

[@moomoomachines7193]

I personally feel like the actor's/film production are more suited and educated in making the story true to autism. I see to a certain extent how the comedy could unintentionally render the autism as if its' more of a joke when the real experiences of autism are harder and shouldn't be taken as lightly. It's always better to hear from actually autistic people and their opinions on the matter though.

[@katferreira1119]

agreed. i watch the show and (in my opinion) they are showing autism in a more positive way. but only those that go through it can actually explain everything. I worked with kids that had autism and other desabilites and it was very enlightening.

[@sofialuu8162]

Yeah and obviously nobody is gonna watch a show and expect to be educated just by that.Shows aren't supposed to 100% educate people on a certain subject,they should INSPIRE people to educate themselves.And i think comedy is an easier way to do that.Its more easy to make people feel empathetic and it's more open to exposition to a wider range of people of any age!Like,children could watch it,putting aside all the hard lawyer stuff obviously 😂and besides, it's obvious they can't cover every aspect of being autistic,cause there are so many different forms of autism too. So i don't really see the problem.People these days make a huge deal out of everything

[@itspowers9107]

@@sofialuu8162 Are you trying to say that the parody video was ok or that only the show was?

[@sofialuu8162]

@@itspowers9107 I'm talking about the show.Didn't even watch the parody

[@haynesmomx4]

Thank you for your comments on people with disabilities. As a mother of a child with disabilities this hit really close to home. I totally agree with everything you said. Thank you again.

[@Liezshae]

Theres a difference between learning about a character, understanding why the character acts or does what they do, and doing a character just because without research. Actors spend a lot of time trying to represent as accurately and with as much understanding as possible a character, be it their backstory, a disability, trauma, etc. They understand why the character would do the action they do or say the things they do and thats why its acceptable. Not having done all those steps, you're just imitating something ignorantly. Its crazy that because she's a "cute" female character everyone wants to imitate her but nobody wanted to do the same with Moon Sangtae from "It's ok not to be ok" because he wasn’t as attractive a character. Both characters represented well autism but its only trendy to imitate her because she's seen as cute. People are so ignorant without knowing it and are giving out such ridiculous excuses too.

[@nidhi2693]

literally what i was thinking. it's only cute bc the the character was cute. i think the actress did a great job, regardless, but she put in the time and effort into her research. moon sangtae portrayed very similar mannerisms to a classmate of mine from many years ago, but because he's not "cute" his role didn't become a trend.

[@happygokathy]

This whole Kang Daniel thing is really just another episode of him with his anti’s. Shouldn’t have been an issue at all. Daniel spent roughly 2hrs chatting with fans, about different topics, replying to comments. Yes he talked about make up, talked about SWF SMF, his Disney+ drama role, guns, make up LOL. Said he was nervous while in SWF - true, even some of the SWF participants said “he must’ve felt like he entered a lions den” because it was that intense. Said he feels more comfortable with SMF - true, he knows a lot of these dancers and is even very well acquainted with 1 crew. He has joiners in these chat sessions who insult & mock him, his family (cats included) tryna catch him to react. At 1 point he was being accused of being rude when he said he’ll block those who will give spoilers for a movie he’s a huge fan of & of-course 1 just had to stir drama twisted it for social media consumption!? This isn’t the 1st time anti’s breached that paid content app (Universe) virtually heckling him, they’re even on his own fan app (KD). The culprit decided to put 5-10 phrases stitched together, creatively choosing a part, made it believable and people just went with it. There’s translation accounts in Twitter with a following as big as 5K & 8K literally encouraging netizens to get him but don’t care about the nature of the leaked part of the chat. He apologized for the way he tried to contain the situation (in the chat) but not because he was demeaning. His wasn’t even close to discriminating because of SWF’s gender. But yeah if you absolutely hate the guy, you’d take it however it triggers you. This is the reason why the guy doesn’t even go out unless it’s work. If he even so much breathes in front of the girls, he’d be accused of being too comfortable and it’ll spark a dating controversy. Everything is and will be an issue.

[@peach_danity]

Imagining living a life where you can’t even go to the shops without haters saying he did something wrong. It’s nerve wracking .. I don’t blame him for being depressed for months.

[@magnolia2]

14:51 Nope. I’ve met a handful of children and adults with that level of autism. It definitely exists so it’s not a misrepresentation. It’s a spectrum as she stated in the episode.

[@DKDKTV]

I agree that someone could exist like that and probably does. I was admitting to some of the currently widespread criticism on the internet that the drama might be misrepresenting/portraying autistic behavior as overly 'cute' and 'lovely'.

[@bluejump1343]

​@@DKDKTV I think it's safe to say that kdamas and other tv shows misrepresent our reality in general.

[@NYX8Kon]

Its misrepresenting in the case that the combination of being a attorney (assuming mediocre to high IQ) and not masking to fit in is completely non existent in real life. Both of these (people with autism being an attorney, and people who communicate like she does) exist seperately. Sadly enough, because masking shouldnt be a thing that has to exist :(

[@nicolespruitt675]

The problem is that media portraits autism as a super power, Atorney Woo couldn't get hired and she has photographic memory.

[@stellal3592]

@@DKDKTV there actually is an autistic female lawyer in the US. Her name is Haley Moss and she’s in Florida. She actually did some interviews about the kdrama recently.

[@VMYeahVN]

I was expecting worse words from the Kang Daniel thing. I thought he said something like the women were lesser performers or something sexist like that. He didn't word it the best, but basically what he was saying is the women were all older than him (in the age-respect system way, not calling them old hags) and very striking/attractive in appearance so he was nervous. He basically just said "i'm nervous around strong powerful women who could dominate me" just in a crude way. Not really cancellable in my opinion. EDIT: And now reading some of the comments here about how the Universe platform has a big troll/anti fan problem, this total non-issue getting blown up into something makes even more sense now.

[@carla123473]

Tbh, those were haters who used a universe private message of buy one, get 2 free to trash talk him. They have been doing it for a while now. They also posted and made jokes about the insults on Twitter. It's been going on for a while. Once he blocked them, they got angry bought bots and posted on Twitter to get him cancelled.

[@VMYeahVN]

@@carla123473 You're right yeah. Right after I commented this I saw other comments here pointing out that issue and now I understand much more. Universe really should clamp down on that problem so it can be safer for the artists.

[@moomoomachines7193]

Looks like a juicy week this week. Also they better not cancel Extraordinary Woo istg.

[@barries_and_faries]

Yea!!!!

[@barries_and_faries]

That drama slapsssss and woo young woo is just so cute and lovely and charming to be cancelled!!!!

[@thaigei3538]

I’m watching it right now it’s amazing

[@DoseofJikook88]

I agree. That show is amazing and very touching.

[@SUGArPlumMochi]

I’m watching extraordinary attorney woo rn, I’m loving it‼️‼️ if they cancel it, I will lose my mind🙂

[@samcollier2396]

Seriously?? The Kang Daniel comments? He didn’t say anything wrong or gender sensitive. Netizens are really reaching here. I’m female and have heard a ton of questionable comments in my 70 + years - this kafuffle actually demeans the problem of gender sensitivity.

[@jacquesdaniels2435]

Btw, he(kang daniel) literally mentioned in the same convo that eye liners are cool to relate to his new hobby, airsoft. He's basically describing a type of airsoft or bb gun relating to eyeliners, saying it's cool. So his perception with make ups is not bad either.

[@myradiantstarrr1302]

David and Danny, I just want to say I am so grateful that you are continuing to have these one on one DKDKnews in this form. I always always love your content and the format. I love the open minded debate between you two, and the meaty synthesis you give for each topic. And kudos to your editors! Great job! ❤️💜👏👍

[@VMYeahVN]

I think Kim Garam getting kicked out of Le Sserafim is the right call. Even if Hybe thinks the allegations aren't true or can't be fully proven in court. I think they decided to do what's best for the other girls in the group and not let the controversy continue to hang over the other members. Like Danny said, even if Hybe thinks she's innocent, at a certain point, it's not worth fighting it if the controversy impacts the group because it's hard to change public opinion. And if she is guilty, then that's even worse that they'd continue to back Kim Garam. In the long run i think she'll still have a career. The accusations she's associated with are very bad of course, but at the end of the day. Something from middle school can't ruin your life FOREVER. She's still very young, middle school was still basically yesterday for her (she's only 16 now). Like if I'm job interviewing someone who's in their mid 20s, even if they had a bad bullying controversy from their childhood, after a certain point of adulthood, your childhood mistakes don't reflect who you are as an adult anymore. So i think she'll be fine in the long run. Another company will probably sign her in 2 or 3 years. At this point she needs to face whatever punishment might come, and then just wait for some time to pass and then she'll be safe to start a solo career or join another group if that's what she still wants to do.

[@chengetaimubaiwa2239]

I agree. Like you said she's still very young. I think for now she's better off staying out of the spotlight and the industry and focus on her mental health coz who knows how much this controversy affected her. I really wish companies would stop debuting their idols below the age of 18 coz minors don't really have mental maturity to handle this much pressure especially when they're being thrown into a world and environment that's on high demand.

[@VMYeahVN]

@@chengetaimubaiwa2239 With you on that for sure. Idols should have to be 18+ to debut. Minor trainees I think is ok because that's basically like going to a performing arts school. But to be able to step into the mainstream spotlight and deal with the scrutiny and pressure that comes with that, they should be 18+. Or at there should be laws that protect public figures that are minors, like press and paparazzi having legal limitations on how they report on public figures who are minors. Similar to how for example, the American movie industry has rules where you can have minors be in a movie, but they can only film for up to 8 hours a day (whereas adult actors can work up to like 12 or 14 hours long as you're paying over time properly).

[@margarete5920]

@@chengetaimubaiwa2239 lol you said that and Hybe just debuted another girl group and their oldest member is 19 and the youngest is 15 :')

[@chengetaimubaiwa2239]

@@margarete5920 **inhales** of course they did🤦🏽‍♀️

[@aykakatibli7249]

Not really. I think she’s done for. Have you looked at the controversies some idols face? It doesn’t matter how old you are. They ruined her and her career. She probably won’t be able to find a job either due to the controversy surrounding her.

[@emilyrosenfeldt1641]

I also think the whole Kang Daniel thing is blown way out of proportion. Is there underlying sexism? Maybe. Can I tell from that short conversation? No

[@luvski5480]

KangDaniel apologized in his IG for causing misunderstanding and for the worries he gave his fans who continually defend him. a lot of intl news headlines says he apologized for saying sexist term which is completely not true. a hater post in twtr a screen cap of daniels chat which started all this, we call it a hater plot coz he used daniels chat in diff topics and put it together to make it look like he is a bad person. in that chat only Daniel can see all the comments, a fan only see his comment and Daniels comment so showing only his chat without knowing what others are saying to him is unfair, and those he block are not his fans but haters who kept on insulting him and his mom and even his cats usually he let it slide and just dont read those comments but during that time maybe he got enough so he block them which fans wanted him to do ever-since. a fan ask about if he will be the MC of street men fighter so convo started there he so excited to share that SMF is a great show and he is more comfortable here coz he knew alot of male dancers we dont know what others are saying in the chat he just explained why is more comfortable he said the energy of the girls are so high he cant keep up and also he explained its his time as MC in Street woman fighter and he was scared at first if u watch 1st ep of SWF u would know why he was scared then maybe there were comments like you are saying u like SMF than SWF which of course is not what he meant but bcoz he block them maybe they are saying bad things again so to stop it he block them, so you see judging him by these cut out screenshot of his chats is so unfair, i would have want him to show the whole convo including the haters chats to him, but i respect him just apologizing for the misunderstanding he caused coz even if u try to explain his words could be twisted again so better just let them seek the truth if they want. koreans dont find this chat sexist at all if read comments in korean news most of them are saying there should be no issue at all. intl media is making this a big issue with thier clickbait headlines which is so unfair to Daniel, the point here is hater will do everything to hate will twist your words to make u look bad but good thing people in korea knows how kind hearted this boy is, and if u watch SWF and SGF u can see how he cared and assisted all female dancers there and all of them only have good words for him. this hater plot which intl media fell for is so unfair to Daniel. i wish theres one media out there who can fact check thoroughly before jumping on the copy paste report from koreaboo and pannachoa which are known trash news sites in korea

[@wanieldaniel3601]

Yup agree with you

[@peach_danity]

Thank you for explaining it so we’ll I hope these haters will understand

[@itsjustaname3386]

Nah, but I understand Kang Daniel. The women were scared of each other!!! Now imagine being one of three women surrounded by over 30 men. That's overwhelming😬 PLUS HE WAS THERE ON STAGE WITH THEM!!!!!!!

[@carla123473]

They even joked about him entering a lion's den. It was scary tbh

[@areumyoon5780]

That is so true the SWF dancers were scared of each other LOL. And yes the dancers joked about Daniel entering a lions den when he first entered the fight club at the 1st ep. Later one of the dancers (I think it was Lip J) posted in her instagram story a shot of Taeyong(one of the male judges), with his closed up face watching a battle with a caption saying ‘he looks so scared LOL. So they were all aware of that they were super intimidating to each other and to mc and male judges, too. And they were obviously thinking it was funny.

[@itsjustaname3386]

@@areumyoon5780 EXACTLY!!

[@aestheticcat8976]

After looking at all that's taking place on social media, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people are being hypocritical b*llies themselves. Wishing d*ath upon Garam, wanting to attack her on the streets, commenting grossly perverted things (she's a minor) and even wishing for her to unalive herself are all entirely unnecessary but it's just the surface. There have even been comments saying how she should Sulli herself, bringing up a deceased idol is also unnecessary and so is dragging other idols into the situation who have nothing to do with it like Soojin for example. Then the toxicity is justified by commenting she deserves it for being a b*lly, they'll also attack you for commenting anything else that isn't hateful towards her branding you as a Garam fan. Guess I should also just fall in line with all the toxicity then. 😃

[@lizsays3324]

The internet version of a 'pitchfork and torches mob'. Terrible.

[@whitneymouse]

bringing Soojin's situation isn't "random". They were probably making a valid comparison that Soojin was proven innocent and kicked out of her group, but Garam had a branch of the government come out and confirm that the situation happened and it didn't seem like anything was going to happen 🤷🏽‍♀ they had a similar scandal, so I could see why people would bring that up. Death threats and wishing her harm are unnecessary and gross, but comparing two idols who had a similar situation doesn't seem like "toxicity" to me. We compare and contrast topics all the time in every day life.

[@00justsayin00]

@@whitneymouse there wasn’t a branch of the gov that confirmed the situation, they only confirmed the existence of the report/action. What I’ve seen posted about that schools disciplinary actions, lvl1 or lvl5 are their go to actions w/o really any go between. I also think I saw a report about there being no physical violence assault during the timeframe of KG’s incident, so I still wanna know some details. I’m waiting to see if she’s sued now that Hybe isn’t backing her, or whether she sues for defamation bc of false claims. Either way, I’d like to know if the allegations are true & lead to the termination, or if Hybe dropped the contract bc she & the company decided she couldn’t continue after the public witch hunt. If the group is working towards a comeback, which isn’t out of the realm for a Hybe group, they’d have to a decision on her participation & ability to contribute.

[@Nattbad]

@@carolynfranklin4865 Worst thing is that it's like a quarter of her life since it even happened, so chances are she had already reflected on it, long before getting cancelled, or even debuting. If she had an attitude problem or something, I don't think HYBE would debut her at such a young age, when they have plenty of talented trainees. I might be wrong though, cuz I didn't think they would pull a Cube on her either, so I might be giving HYBE a bit more credit than they deserve.

[@deborahkehinde5839]

So true, and majority of these people who make hate comments have this stupid mentality that because they are not physically bullying the person doesn't make it bullying.

[@Maria-he1db]

With this Kang Daniel situation, I hate when people say that stuff "The type of people to get offended at a comedy show" and ect... Just because something is meant to be comedy doesn't mean it can't offend someone. It also doesn't mean they're wrong for being upset about something, and it seems like the people who often talk about individuals being offended are also themselves quite offended for being called into question. (Which is why he blocked)

[@teresa6060]

True, a lot of people act like comedy is totally untouchable and that you aren't allowed to criticize it or else they will tear you apart. So much so that people feel safe just giving the most sexist, racist and horrible STATEMENTS and when you call it out they play it off like it's a joke and you just don't know how to take one. Like backtracking and calling it a joke makes it totally okay and they're 100% free of what people have to say. (Though this is just a general rant) What Daniel said was apparently taken out of context and he was being bothered by trolls so I have no opinions on him as a person

[@Markus0021]

To me it depends on the situation. If you go into a comedy show, you should be expecting some controversial and rude statements - that's how a comedy show works. If you are easily offended by that type of remark in that setting, then you probably shouldn't attend that type of function. If you are in the school hallway or at the office break room and somebody comes up to you and makes a rude comment, then tries to excuse it with. "it was just a joke, bro" that is something quite different.

[@farawaykin]

i adore this show and you guys, it’s such a cool space for FREE thought and speech, there’s always place for different opinions and views, and even though i beleive in most social issues there’s a more ‘correct’ stance on things - because logic and morals rarely really allow for different interpretations, it’s still good to be able to communicate openly, exchanging values. it’s not really possible to be all that open in most of the western media spaces…

[@meimee8867]

Haters pretended to be fans to enter into private chat room cuz Universe offered free trail. Haters manipulated his words and posted as malicious message on social media. Kang Daniel didn’t say anything wrong, the whole thing was out of context and it was spread of hate by haters. So sad that haters can be so evil. People need to know the whole story before jumping to be judgmental. Kang Daniel in fact doesn’t need to apologize, it’s his well manner to do this.

[@thatomash7689]

If someone says they were not comfortable, they were just not comfortable. How are you going to get offended over someone else's feelings

[@izzyisme7451]

1) For KD's case, if you consider the fact that it is literally "1 person of your gender, being in the same room of other people of the opposite gender who are excited and showing strong reaction due to the event going on" and reverse the gender...1 girl in a room full of men..? One can easily be intimidated, and very very nervous too Maybe the problem was the language used didnt explain his thoughts very well, plus SK's history of mysogyny (and misandry too) which was why "fans" reacted poorly. I wont put the blame on KD since i believe its just a matter of communication. 2) Im not neurodivergent so i wont say anything about the KZbinr, only that it was insensitive and very rude. 3) And for KGR's case, im not a fan of Le Serrafim but i believe kicking her out was the right choice. Mostly because i believe the other members deserve a fair chance after trying so hard to debut

[@jacquesdaniels2435]

"fan"...well not really Coz if it's a fan, they won't post his private messages in twitter and bought a lot of bots just to gang up on him, plus the same account that insulted him one day earlier.

[@sandiejansson8322]

Tack!

[@4grazy4]

What's wrong with what Kang Daniel said? Can people just be more open to other people's opinions. How is that about gender conflict? It's just his experience...it actually makes sense that he felt intimidated, calm down Korean netizens!

[@AutumnHutton3405]

I'm not offended by his comments. I think that as a woman who is in her mid 40s, that younger people can be intimated by my outgoing personality as well as my Achievements & this could make them nervous or feel scared to stand up in front of me knowing that I may have achieved more then they have or to judge me on my talents. Strong personalities can be intimidating. I have achieved more then most people my age and definitely more than most people im around day to day. So I understand his feelings.

[@Cintia001]

Obviously Kang Daniel was intimidated in SWF, why people are overreacting with all this? Now I know He has so many haters dressed as their fans.

[@lakirakira]

The majority of Kang Daniel's haters are from the PD/W1 era. The PD101 gallery on DCgall is basically his anti-fanclub. I'm talking about people so obsessed with him they pay his fanclub and Universe subs fees just so they can take screenshots of what he says to manipulate his words into a controversy. And this wasn't the only "controversy" haters came up with in one day, they also made posts to twists his comments about acting, and brought back fake scandals from years ago, then some questionable news outlets continued accusing him of mistreating his fans. This was an orchestrated witchhunt, fueled from our side by trash sites like Asian Junkie, Koreaboo and Pannchoa. Situations like this one are what ends up pushing idols to make tragic decisions, and Daniel already made a whole album about suffering depression and anxiety.

[@beka433]

I don't think what kang Daniel did was enough to get cancelled. To be honest I think he was just trying to be genuine and I feel that things like this just make it harder for idols to be themselves.

[@jacquesdaniels2435]

Literally, since it was the goal of the twitter account. They really want to shut him up forever.

[@lizsays3324]

It seems like the YT couple was trying to make a joke, but now they are saying they were just copying a cute behavior? Doesn't make sense. The ONLY comedians who can successfully joke about disabilities are people who actually have that disability.

[@sandragiant777]

But look what happened to AOA's Jimin - she ended up getting kicked out and her career ruined, only to find out that Jimin was the victim. Because you get kicked out of a group doesn't mean you were guilty of what you're accused of.

[@DefineMorena]

I've watched some tiktoks from some Autistic Korean people. One found the title offensive (as it means strange/weird lawyer, rather than extraordinary in Korean). She didn't like the representation. I think she also didn't like how people were imitating the main character, as she was judged/bullied for being autistic her whole life and not having 눈치 (nunchi).

[@charlsreyn]

Honestly, even extraordinary feels uncomfortable in the title to me. Though it is a positive word, it gives the same vibe as calling people with disabilities "special."

[@AmonZico]

I dont think Daniel said anything wrong...wtf is wrong with people

[@carla123473]

Exactly 💯

[@discoverdna2609]

On Kang Daniel’s issue: I’m a woman yet I get what he meant. He just wanna describe the level of intimidation/on his toes that he felt. The way he described about eye liners will have the same impact if I describe going in a meeting presenting in front of room filled with Corporate Man in 3 pieces suits & Rolex. Now imagine I’m going in a meeting with CEOs but in their sweatshirts, hanging bicycles & chewing gums in meetings. Different vibes right? HE JUST WANNA SAY HOW BADASS THOSE NOONAS ARE anyway ☺️ SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT that he’ll feel more comfortable with the guys for some reason. IT’S NATURAL. That person surely not so much of a fan anyway. In all fairness, yes probably he could’ve phrased them better being a celebrity, but nothing to be cancelled for.

[@jacquesdaniels2435]

True, in the same 1.5 hour conversation, he was talking about his new hobby airsoft/bb guns. He mentioned how he was fascinated by it, danity then teasingly said, we can't relate kd, so he described the guns that he mentioned and related it with make ups, saying this type of gun is cool like how cool are eyeliners are. Basically badass yes...so I don't get why people get offended over the makeup comment. Maybe it's because, there's a lot of context was taken out.

[@jacquesdaniels2435]

He also mentioned that he knows most of the smf contestants. One crew is literally the crew of his in-house dance choreographer

[@MBella123]

Woojin got kicked out of Stray Kids, Soojin was kicked out of (G)I-dle and they were not guilty. There’s no proof Garam is un fact guilty. But even if she’s innocent, how could she get back to the group with all the hate she’s receiving? It’s not possible

[@joynerj.k.6215]

Woojin was not kicked out. He left the group and Jyp. Then the false allegations happened.

[@MBella123]

@@joynerj.k.6215 Anyways, he was accused of HORRIBLE things

[@kraye5908]

@@MBella123 Yes, but Woojin was proven innocent because he was innocent to begin with. Please don't compare since this cases are way too different. Not throwing any hate.

[@MBella123]

@@kraye5908 I’m just saying that before he was proven innocent he received too much hate. I don’t know if Garam is guilty of innocent but there are people wishing her de*th. She’s a 16 year old girl, this is crazy

[@nidhi2693]

@@kraye5908 the cases are different but the situation is the same. receiving so much intense hate and misinformation spread about you before you have the chance to explain yourself. even if garam is guilty, she doesn't deserve this.

[@allhailrise]

About Daniel's controversy, I side with Daniel's point of view. It's more comfortable to be amongst females as a female myself, than to be surrounded by males. Nothing's strange with that. It's just that he might put it in wrong words, so ppl took him as insensitive. It's tough being a public figure, a single wrong phrasing n u're cancelled. Hope all prospective public figures take language class, public speech class, acting class, n maybe even politics class lol (but for sure, give them mental health class or sth). Right, I forgot history n culture class of all nations n ethnics as not to offend specific ppl.

[@zuriatiabdullah7347]

Sometimes i think korean women are too sensitivitive regarding ones opinion . Hearing kang daniel’s honest opinion he did not use any vulgar word . Like he said if u are surrounded by group of people u’ll be scared too Imitating woo young woo autism i think IT is a bit rudu

[@hanniyahakram6029]

Literally y’all call that gender insensitive, if he’s not comfortable around women that’s not called gender insensitive, me being a women I’d have the same reaction cuz the girls have so strong makeup they do look scary . It’s perfectly fine for a guy to say that he’s grateful that more guys would be there as it’s the same gender as him , what’s so wrong about it . Women also feel scared around men only . Dramatic people they r . U don’t have control over what he says nor do u get the right to tell him what he should’ve said , it’s not like he said smthing offensive 22:1Exactly what I’m taking about every man would’ve felt the same

[@jezreelbullock6280]

I don't have an issue with what Kang Daniel said. He basically was saying that he was nervous being the only male in a group of strong beautiful women. Just like a young girl might feel in a group of good looking older men.

[@orikang3153]

Evil people always manipulate words and post false info on social media. This was what happened to Kang Daniel. We all know his words were manipulated and posted out of context and wasn't what he meant. Social media nowadays can't be teust probably. Sad that Kang Daniel needs to apologise for something he didn't do wrong.

[@NYX8Kon]

What kang daniel meant: Guys: comfort zone Girls: not comfort zone Not offensive, just logic :D

[@hanniyahakram6029]

Honestly after watching your videos I realise that your guys opinion and my opinions are so similar continue your channel and the thing I like is that you always give out your true opinion what you really feel and not just you give a fake opinion so that you don’t get hate. I personally agree so much about the street woman fighter thing that it’s really okay for him to feel a bit imitated because he’s literally the only guy in like a crowd of women and if it was a woman if there was a woman as an MC and theRE would be like all male people would have hated the show itself because the woman would feel uncomfortable Why can’t the same go for guys

[@katherinecordero472]

I personally feel more comfortable with women tbh. I understand what he’s saying.

[@allyc4526]

Hybe shouldn’t have seriously defended Garam only to drop her later. They sounded so sure that she was innocent. Did they just say all those things without fact checking? Seems kind of weird though.

[@nicoleloss7987]

I think she innocent. But we don't know the whole story. Hybe did what unfortunately they had to do for the groups future. And for garam health and privacy

[@katie5920]

Not really different from the companies who are too afraid to stand up for idols and drop them when they're innocent which just makes them look worse. They just went the opposite route

[@stanateezstanseventeenstan5408]

Maybe because at that moment, everything pointed to her being innocent lmao. Plus with all the false accusations against idols, it is more than normal that at first, their instinct was to protect Garam from the alleged "false accusations." Time passes, and with time comes more evidence. So maybe they collected more evidence which led to her confessing. We don't know anything so we can't just jump into conclusions.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@guadalupemontoya1819]

I think the biggest problem wasn’t standing by her as much as how aggressively they stood by her. Compare how HYBE/Source Music handled this to how JYP Ent. handled Hyunjin’s bullying accusations, which I think was one of the best handled situation of that whole era. HYBE basically went straight to intimidation and legal actions. JYP Ent. said they would look into the situation and added updates regarding both Hyunjin and his accuser. Both situation had gray areas and both involved a lot of people throwing around misinformation, but one company went aggressive and the other went more transparent, calm, and verified everything before releasing statements. Personally, I think HYBE did nobody any favors here with their premature release of statements.

[@whitneymouse]

@@nicoleloss7987 I'm confused how anyone could think she's innocent when their Ministry of Education spoke out about it. I'm from the US and that's the equivalent of the Department of Education taking the time to confirm whether a celebrity here bullied someone or not. They wouldn't do that lightly or without proof 🤷🏽‍♀ HYBE's continued aggressive response after that was nonsensical to me. It wasn't fair to the other members that they were being scrutinized for a scandal that had plausible evidence and honestly, it added gasoline to the fire that was people who were taking their displeasure with the situation too far by wishing ill on Garam and bullying her online. It just made the situation far worse for everyone involved for no reason.

[@christinekim361]

As a woman I don't think what Daniel Kang said was offensive. I mean I get it, he's with all women who are strong, older independant women can me intimidating. I'll be intimdated too. Others are saying that the screen shots were cut and paste by haters. So those trolls did their best to set him up. smh.

[@sjsendo5264]

kpop agencies should tighten their screening for trainees that they will debut to prevent scandals like kim garam.

[@mayavril1]

I can't believe we live in an era where pple fear outrage by kids than common sense. Going by logic Hybe should have stuck to their guns but for her mental health maybe it's right she left but even then Hybe left her not the other way round which stinks to me. There are idols who have criminal charges and still have careers but it's different rules for girls and girls are their own worst enemies. The amount of vile stuff on social media is shocking. Everyone forgets these are kids who will grow out of these stupid moments (hopefully) anyway I believe she will be successful and lessarafim is tainted. I put a jinx on it. Ridiculous! White washing the original bully as a victim only is the dumbest thing I've seen on this issue. Ugh!

[@geniuspeng]

Thanks for having these open and ongoing discussions, I appreciate how you guys try to delve into both sides of a story. Love your channel!’ 😌💗💗

[@nashitashi]

I love DKDKTV! Your harmony is perfect - best news team!

[@graceababan]

On Kang Daniel: As a woman, I don't find KD's comments offensive at all. I feel bad that instead of appreciating his honesty, his supposedly "fans" are taking it against him. No wonder public figures are always walking on egg shells. They become honest for one second and it can cost them their entire career.

[@peach_danity]

It’s not his fans, it’s anti haters.. cause universe app are having a promotion where you can get three tickets free for 3 months. So they are exploiting and hating on daniel and posting screen shots like a prized medal on twitter

[@homeland1128]

Well i try to put myself in his shoes, what if im the emcee and the participants is full of shirtless men and they were strong/buff asf, am i gonna feel intimidated? probably yes, probably no. but one thing for sure, i don't see the sexist part by being intimidated by opposite gender.

[@carla123473]

Thank you.

[@marcierivera477]

Kang Daniel was not being gender tone deaf, he sounded nervous. People are so quick to try to cancel someone, they need to look at themselves.

[@agoj925]

Ok David with a great understanding of cultural appropriation 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾!

[@_briceysworld]

Hot take: what Kang Daniel said was fine. If he was more comfortable in front of a bunch or men than of being on edge because he was surrounded by beautiful women that’s just him being honest. If I’m in front of a ton of attractive slightly older men all day long, I’ll probably be more in my head than when I’m around a bunch of my fellow women.

[@coffeesweet1]

Garam's case basically an argument between gangs of girls in school which went unresolved, I experienced it myself back when I was in senior high. difference is, Garam turned out to be a celebrity and the rival gang wasn't seem to be happy at all with this and ended up spilling too many tea in a snow slope that turned into a snowball. Basically from what i read, both parts were in some kind of rivalries for whatever reason which leads up to an event that cause the argument. I mean even for non celebrity, girls' heated argument at school most of the times might ends up in either suspension or getting expelled from the school. not defending her, here. i hope he can live a better life away from spotlight now.

[@bella-hi4oo]

The victim commits MOLKA, it's probably true because it's written on the school punishment record (HYBE)and Daeryun did not deny it..What Garam did was she defended her friend by sending cursed messages and had an argument with the victim(Daeryun law office/ HYBE statement)

[@nidhi2693]

it's honestly extremely disappointing that she was deemed guilty from the start before she got the chance to giver her side of the story and she got so much online hate for it. with the amount of non-clarity from both sides of the story, it's still pretty hard to decide if she's truly guilty of not. we only know she did it defend her friend who's nude images were circulating on the internet. how and why she was punished is still unknown. her school had released more info about the level 5 punishment, but no one really paid attention to it because she was guilty from the start.

[@vaanshichauhan9868]

Wow i never thought Kang Daniel would be so bold, usually idols are silent about own opinions. His wording seems little bit offended but i can understand why he was intimated. That youtuber's imitation was on point but she was wrong to imitate autism person actions for comedy

[@Slayyy19]

Apparently it was a hater who edited the texts to make it seem like he was sexist 🤷‍♀️

[@kpeachydan8412]

Daniel is brave that's true. I do feel sad that this became such an issue when he didn't really say it like this. His whole convo with the fans was edited to look like he has an issue

[@BballbandDluvr22]

What i don't understand about the entire Garam issue, is like what you said at like 18:50, its not even like its years after her debut. Its before her debut, just an announceent. I dont understand why they even went through her debut knowing how bad of an issue it was. It doesn't make sense financially, ethically, socially, and even from a marketing perspective.

[@Rosenaification]

Maybe Daniel felt overwhelmed because he didn't want a scandal by being too comfortable with women and perhaps there's this dynamic of being publicly pulled away from women that when he's the only man on the show, he feels like there's a scandal every where? 😂 I don't know. But what I do know is that I would be more nervous whether I'd be on a show as a celebrity with all women or men.

[@seyon4193]

That could be one of the reasons that he felt more comfortable around male dancers besides the fact he is personally acquainted with all male dancers in SMF. When SWF was airing there was a false rumor already created that he went out with one of the dancers in the show. He knows he has to act extra careful around female dancers or female idols to prevent any noise. Any little reaction he makes towards female contestants would be analyzed and criticized under microscope. If he was too comfortable friendly or enthusiastic around the dancers, antis would have criticized him to be flirtatious or disrespectful towards the dancers. So having to be extra careful and fine-tune the way he behaved and interacted with the female dancers during many hours of recording must have been more exhausting than we could imagine. And on top of that to catch up with their energy? Plz

[@sweetbre5383]

I think Daniel Kang was so nervous with all eyes on him by mature women. He’s a young guy. Seriously he’s innocent guy. He doesn’t need to get canceled! I think Netizens get so dramatic. As for Attorney Woo Young Woo’s character touches on how autistic adult live it’s not a joke. Stop treating disabled people differently like outcast. I have a son with autism spectrum & he is very awkward & lack social skills. Like Woo Young Woo my son also wears headphones bc he’s noise sensitive. I hope this drama brings awareness to autistic adults & how their minds work different. Every autistic child or adult behave in their own way. Each case is different. Please watch the drama.

[@pam.h4007]

regarding Kang Daniel, I think it's another case of some people making a big deal out of something minor

[@carla123473]

Thank you. As always

[@alldiva7507]

It was exaggerated. Not offended. We are toooo sensitive these days!!! Get a life people !!!

[@farawaykin]

daniel wasn’t gender insensitive tho.. he wasn’t super correct in saying that but it’s also understandable, the ‘beauty’ that’s expected of women in most societies and in Korea especially can be intimidating… i’m a woman who isn’t used to being in a group of girls who act all powerful and look really ‘feminine’ (according to the dumb standards ofc), so i would be a little uncomfortable, but also i would still be more uncomfortable doing stuff like mc-ing (lol) before a crowd of men… we’re socialized in such a way that makes us more used to being among people of our gender, plus it’s extra hard when the appearances are so different. i would rather say his texts (which were at least partly joking if i understood correctly) could even be taken as criticism of such imbalance of female and male gender expression that the beauty industry makes us believe is natural - it’s not.

[@Markus0021]

Agreed. I have several relatives I would classify as 'typical midwest farmgirls' that usually wear jeans and t-shirts with no makeup, and one that is a former beauty queen and current working model. She usually wears perfectly-done makeup and designer dresses, as that is part of her job - but I still felt a little uncomfortable around her as a teen, b/c it was not what I was used to.

[@ONLYBRITTA]

So… I’m a huge fan of Kang Daniel, he’s one of my absolute favorite artists… but I’ll give you my general opinion (as a woman)… I’m not personally offended, but I can see why it might upset people… it does seem strange to mention their makeup, as if a woman who wears strong makeup or strong women in general should be something to be afraid of… kind of funny since he seems pretty tight with Jessi of all people… I get that he felt intimidated being outnumbered as a man, but I’m not sure I understand why it would be such a negative experience for him… honestly I wouldn’t be afraid to get up in front of a room full of men more than a room full of women (that is unless I were getting up to speak about gender issues or something targeting men)… I don’t think he needed to cancel subscribers for voicing their opinion unless they were verbally assaulting him and being rude about it… telling people to “chill” when they’re genuinely upset is def a pretty rude thing to do in and of itself… I’m usually of the opinion that we are all welcome to have our own feelings and opinions as long as we try to be kind… I imagine he felt flustered and upset when people came for him, but I’m hoping he does actually take the time to think about why it may have been upsetting… women should be able to be themselves and wear whatever makeup they wish and act as strongly as they like without a man saying that they are scary… that’s just silly.

[@luvski5480]

its still so unfair to judge him just by the screen cap alone, its not even the whole convo those chats are from different topic put together to make it look like he is bad. seeing his chats only and not seeing others chats is totally one sided right? haters even posted last time screen cap of their hateful remarks on his chats and they are so proud of it. bcoz of this the app allows the artist to block disrespectful fans there. i really wish daniel could just expose those haters and post the whole convo with the haters chats on it so this will end, but i respect his apology for the misunderstanding he caused and for making his fans worry about him.

[@neetishkumar6389]

One thing, just this one thing, the editor is good.

[@paco100x]

Its interesting how some men are intimidated by someone's makeup. Then again, cultural differences can be super divergent and that's interesting itself. Also, I get the guy's logic in relation to Yoo Wong Yoo imitation. Pittying someone so much just victimizes and belittles them. But I get David's point as well. On Garam, was it really cleared up that she was a bully? Seems like there were rumors she was a victim herself, or only got in trouble because she defended a friend.

[@coffeesweet1]

some men get intimidated easily for different reason; in my office, a colleague who has a very strong presence, barely wearing make up, and she's not even that tall, but the moment she stepped into a room full of men, they would all be either steps aside and whispering gossips about her or just simply avoid her completely. she isn't menacing or anything, she's just being blunt and to the point kind of person which apparently intimidating to my male colleagues.

[@greymist]

the make up talk was not related to SWF but it was part of another topic , the screenshots haters used were from a 2h chatting session so they chose what would help their narrative into painting him to be sexist

[@homeland1128]

Well i try to put myself in his shoes, what if im the emcee and the participants is full of shirtless men and they were strong/buff asf, am i gonna feel intimidated? probably yes, probably no. but one thing for sure, i don't see the sexist part by being intimidated by opposite gender.

[@itspowers9107]

I'm not going to comment on Daniel because I'm not fully in the know about the situation but with the others I don't get your comments. How is not making fun of someone's disability pittying them? As for Garam there was no rumors at all. It was only Source Music's statement that that came from but without evidence.

[@nidhi2693]

apparently, based on the accounts of kang daniel's fans, he never said that. the context was different and ss of the chatroom were edited to make him seem sexist and guilty. he also never apologized for being sexist- it was for something else but the media twisted it. there were rumors that garam was smoking and writing inappropriate things on school property- which have been proven false as those photos were photoshopped and the girl in those photos never looked like garam. also, some people were sharing ss of chat rooms but they were never verified to be garam (it just seems like internet haters tbh). regarding the news that she was a victim, somu provided a statement and said that they had evidence and proof but bc the situation involves minors they don't want to reveal much. however, details from her school's violence committee have been released and honestly both her and eunsoo were guilty to some extent. there's a video by everglow-up if you want more details. tbh, kind of disappointed that hybe did not go through with the trial. with how the situation blew up and amount of nasty things said her way, i feel bad for her even if she was guilty. just because you're a bully doesn't mean you also deserve getting bullied. just hope she can recover mentally and figure out her life from here.

[@drottnari]

A general rule should be that we just shouldn't be making fun of marginalised groups unless we are a member of that group ourselves. As an autistic person myself I like the drama and am happy overall that I creates more visibility for autistic people in society. The character is still full of stereotypes and I do not see myself in the character but it's great to see that it gets a discussion going. I've been wondering for a long time how this is not more of a topic since south korea has a rather high diagnostic rate. 1 in 38 children gets diagnosed while the rate in the US for example is 1/44

[@csy897]

The Kang Daniel thing is so ridiculous

[@piusonos]

I believe if a person hasn't been proved to be guilty of something it should be treated at least as no guilty. I only heard of the registered case by a institution in charge of violence and the case didn't sound that straight forward and very traditional in declare everyone partially guilty (the students) but none authority responsible, for me that's always a sign of a poor job and cover up from authorities and schools boards. IF she did it then good but if she didn't then are ppl ok to have another T-ara? Public opinion can be the worst bully.

[@marygladies5669]

A lots off love for all the people out their ❤️❤️❤️🌎

[@swabybaby3523]

I love Kang Daniel and truly accept any apology given!!! ❤️

[@Maanya7777]

I kind of get what Kang Daniel meant but there is always a right way to say things. The words you choose are really important, especially when you have so much influence over people. And when you belong from a suppressed community, you know how things said by celebrities can be used to make insensitive jokes about you. It's not Kang Daniel, it's the way some people might use his words to make insensitive jokes.

[@Maanya7777]

Plus, I don't understand korean so I have no idea how it actually sounded.

[@peach_danity]

He was speaking to DANITY, his fans. It was a private conversation. We as his fans know what he’s like. Haters and malicious anti fans, pay for the chatting service to come on and troll kang Daniel on purpose. We as fans cannot see what other fans write, that’s how it is in the universe app but kang Daniel can see it. So imagine if anything he is saying he is getting death threats. Of course it will get him flustered and angry. It’s also real time and he was in his way in the car to blue dragon award show.

[@peach_danity]

So yes he could have been more careful with his words but he’s a human being too. He gets angry and acts on emotion just like us. Stop trying to out celebrities on pedestals. There human beings too

[@jamiepaul6305]

Why can't Kang Daniel be scared of interacting with females? He may be afraid of making one cry or discouraging them in some way. Of course he feels more comfortable with men because he is a man. I swear, people who start crap should be able to take crap back!!! ugh!! I don't know Kim Garam, but if she was my child and somebody told her to unalive herself, I would hunt them down and make sure they were arrested and then I would sue. It takes a mentally ill person to tell somebody else to unalive themselves. Double ugh!! Park Eun Bin is doing an excellent job portraying an individual on the autism spectrum, so I know she can't be getting hate. I haven't watched the youtuber, who made the autism parody, but social media idiots will try anything to get views. Triple Ugh!

[@dianeluers929]

Thanks for the updates 👏👏

[@ridita5221]

As a woman, I don't get what was the problem with Kang Daniel. As I understand he is just more nervous in front of women, than men.

[@dkinla3408]

I don't think Kang Daniel said anything wrong. It seems that he was overwhelmed & nervous being around strong, beautiful, older women. Many men do. It is a lot to deal with. I am a confident woman but I would feel a bit overwhelmed MCing a show with 60 strong, beautiful men. That's not to say I wouldn't enjoy their company, but it would be A LOT. And female energy can be MUCH more intense than male energy.😉 BORAHAE to the whole DKDKTV Crew from Los Angeles!💜💜💜💜

[@cyn1c4lpho3nix]

I feel like ppl are trying way too hard to be offended nowadays. It's exhausting.

[@carla123473]

Thank you