KANG Should've KILLED ANT-MAN to Save the Multiverse Saga

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Kang should've killed Ant-Man in Quantumania. Kang killing an Avenger would have made him a true Thanos level villain for Loki and the Avengers to take on in The Kang Dysnaty and Secret Wars.
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Written by Colton Ogburn ( / coltonogburn )
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Lee Mazzio and Ethan Lavinsky
#Antman #Kang #Quantumania

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[@Julian.noa21]

you should do a rewrite of ant man and the wasp quantamania

[@luquepierce]

Hi Ryan

[@petedemaggio]

He gets all his power from his suit. His suit was damaged and he was just regular guy fighting Ant-man. It’s really not that complicated.

[@degenratex4834]

I always thought that this movie was going to kill Hank off because there's nothing else left for him

[@BthIX]

Kang should have killed the Wasp at the end of the movie because her actress is a tool

[@clarissanavarro2762]

I agree. They set it up when he said " I don't have to win, I just have to make sure we both lose." then Marvel and Disney chickened out.

[@marleysan757]

Soooo right !

[@MallRatsXoXo]

They just put that in the trailer to get you to watch the movie 😂 We were scammed thinking that movie was worth watching

[@stevebrown985]

I think it was supposed to be for the original ending which I think would've still worked even though two movies in a row would've ended with them in the quantum realm, it wouldn't have bothered me

[@trudru1]

right because they didn't both lose smh.

[@Superlalo_1]

@@stevebrown985Yeah, I don’t understand why having them stuck in the quantum realm for two endings was a bad thing, if anything This movie would’ve been better off with them Stuck then coming back before Kang Dynasty to alert the Avengers of the Threat of Kang

[@ShaloneCason]

Kang was defeated very easily in the comics many times. The problem with Kang wasn't that he was so smart or powerful, but that he could and would always return with knowledge of his previous defeats. The threat of Kang is that he can never truly be defeated because he can move through time. Quantumania didn't make that clear, but the Loki show is doing a great job with that.

[@scinnyc]

That's true. In the old 80s Squadron Supreme comic, Hyperion defeated Kang just by threatening to beat the living sh!t outta him if he attacked Earth😅

[@Horrorlovanerd]

@shalonecason that makes me hopeful.

[@ChillDree]

Well this gives me a little more hope but for the general audiences, they should’ve either Killed ant-man or trapped ant-man

[@keithr7399]

Unless Kang from Quantumania comes back even stronger in a later movie, then it’s the same concept just with a longer payoff

[@jeffbartley9730]

I still think that if they did go with Kang killing antman in his own movie it would show just how much Kang is a threat especially for the ppl who don't know

[@arminshim4136]

Great points on why Scott should have been sacrificed. But I think it would also have made Cassie have a much stronger arc going forward. And it would have been such a great send off for Scott himself. Have him struggling with their relationship because he was gone during the snap and then structure the end as him sacrificing himself to save her. Have her asking “why did you do that?” And he could have replied “you’re my world” to call back to the beginning of the film.

[@SWOTHDRA]

Yeah replace another male with a female, thats what we want

[@arminshim4136]

@@SWOTHDRA curb your rage, she’s already in both the mcu and the comics whether you like it or not. Scott dying would give her an actual arc but it’s not the sole reason it would have been a good move for him to die.

[@nuh-uhbro765]

@@SWOTHDRAWhen girls don’t talk to you in real life so you don’t want them in your movies either 💀

[@ironspaghett]

​@@nuh-uhbro765Well, no, even my girlfiend is tired of the gender swapping We are all agenda fatigued, even if you dont want to admit it

[@garyfrombrooklyn]

That ending you just described would've been perfect. I can literally hear the team behind Quantumania blaming each other for not going with a more realistic and tragic ending. I hope they rectify this

[@keithwoodcrest]

I think it would've been cool if we got a scene where Kang thinks he's fighting Scott's Antman but it turns out to actually be Michael Douglas in the suit and he stays behind to trap himself in the Quantum Realm while everybody else escapes

[@Doomer253]

Damn. That's good!

[@kangtheconqueror9545]

Michael Thuglous

[@KCG7]

Imagine if Kang killed someone and made their loved ones relive the moment over and over kind of like how Mobius stuck Loki in that time loop in season one.

[@jermainelong6789]

With that in mind imagine how we would be watching Loki S2 knowing what Kang is capable of???

[@ooolookshiny2459]

Kang should have killed Cassie and mad Scott relive that again and again. When Scott finally escapes, he’s broken, insane, and ready to do anything to kill Kang. That would be the next movie.

[@KCG7]

@@ooolookshiny2459 I agree. I think that would be a great idea. It would be a way to harden some of these soft comedic avengers up too.

[@leeroy5665]

Exactly what is described in the video

[@coreycito]

Like Wanda having to rewatch Vision die. And Doctor Strange in the time loop. But even more brutal than both

[@mos1141]

Despite this being one of the darkest theories I’ve heard, I would have preferred this so so so much more than the actual ending. Well done Ryan!

[@victorapellegrinosc]

My theory for when the movie came out was either Hank or Lang was going to die at the end to build up Kang as the next big bad. In order to do that you gonna kill of an established character (even if you find some cheap way to bring them back later) you kill Hank that would be the safer choice because it will simply turn into a Uncle Ben motivation. But you kill Scott Lang, and it becomes a bigger deal. This movie let both of them live.

[@wisedude4285]

Couldn't agree more. Love Paul Rudd in this role but the MCU has no real stakes and killing off a legacy character would have helped that.

[@igotthejuice2090]

They killed iron man tf

[@wisedude4285]

@@igotthejuice2090 Eh he kinda did that for his own ego's sake let's be real. But that's also 1 death out of dozens of characters.

[@thetrib1]

@@igotthejuice2090 thank you. mcu doesn't need to kill off a character every movie lol

[@igotthejuice2090]

@@wisedude4285 it’s not named the villains.. it’s Marvel the good guys always win.. get over it

[@wisedude4285]

@@igotthejuice2090 you're the one arguing about a franchise homeboy. If you don't like an opinion, tough. Real life has stakes so the point of the video and my comment as well is if you want better fan reception make the heros earn it the hard way like real people do. No sacrifice, no victory.

[@Mommadice]

*HOT TAKE* I think the Victor Timely is actually terrifying, I think his plan was to get everyone to lower their guard for when he enters back into the TVA.. he's a con-man for all of episode 3.. he's tricking everyone, including us!

[@toshtao1]

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[@sonnicgamer]

decent take but there's one flaw with this, all he's ever heard abt the TVA is from OB's book, he's neve actually been there himself neither does he know much abt it, n yes i know he may be conning ppl but remember this is a Victor Timely who we sorta saw grow into the man he is today, had we instead only seen him as an adult then it could've been Kang like it was in the comics and THEN the case for him being a con-man would make sense here

[@Mommadice]

@@sonnicgamer I hear you BUT ...and here me out .. I have zero proof but like a said... Hear me out... One thing that I noticed is that nobody read the TVA handbook, with the exception of Casey who I could argue is a little clueless, what if there was a message to Victor timely in the handbook laying out the plan?

[@farexponent9173]

​@@Mommadicevictor timely's stutter really threw me off as it sounds just slightly unauthentic. The actor who plays him is so good that it makes me wonder if he's purposefully messing up his stutter just slightly since Victor timely may be faking it to garner sympathy or something.

[@somerandom414]

@@farexponent9173 It’s rare stutter but I wouldn’t consider it inauthentic. I have a cousin who he describes it as the words are in his head goin so fast that his mouth cant catch up. So he’ll stop.. take a pause for like 1.5-3 secs and then start his entire sentence over, which also he told me was something he learned ina speech class so maybe it’s not raw stuttering but a kinda mastered trick to come off as a non stutterer.

[@thomasmharris]

No way, handing Kang his second defeat in all the eons he has existed, by a very weird set of circumstances, is going to make him even more monstrous, vicious, and cruel when he exacts his revenge, and I'm here for it. Can't wait.

[@mattlabelle39]

100% support this. the beauty of comics is noone is ever really dead; so you dont have to be afraid to use a death to really sell a character. especially if you know youre gonna be doing a multiversal reset at the end of it all.

[@srka42]

As much as I disliked seeing Kang lose in Quantumania we may learn that being absorbed by the multiversal core is a cornerstone event in the eventual Prime Kang’s lifetime + power set. Where Quantumania really failed was giving us context for Kang, compare Thanos scenes in Guardians or Infinity War to Kang’s in AntMan3. Night and day, that brief memory that Janet showed was so short and uninteresting despite being built up as the big reveal Janet makes to Hope & Hank which she withholds for an hour and a half for no other good reason than the plot demanded she did. So not only did the movie skip over potentially important set up for future movies (what happened between this Kang & The Council, how does the time chair work, how was Kang able to construct all that tech?) but the answers we did get were either underwhelming or the same ones we got Loki S1.

[@vengeancewillbemine3440]

Really foreal though.

[@Scotty2Hotty4]

@@vengeancewillbemine3440the thing with Kang in Antman Is that the council of Kangs ain’t worried about him. The council of Kangs are mad because HWR has died and the multiverse Is collapsing causing other branches in the Loki season 2 to touch other branches out side the sacred timeline and and thus causing incursions

[@dajnor]

Definitely how he becomes The Beyonder.

[@danielthe1st]

@@Scotty2Hotty4 I think the council of kangs only exists because HWR died. So they're not mad about it.

[@Scotty2Hotty4]

@@dajnorthat’s what It should look like bc let’s break down the logic of that core that intially was broken and we saw what happened to Antman and even the wasp when she went inside that core… imagine If It actually works like It was towards the end. Of this helps him time travel and cross other dimensions… you would think that whatever he was sucked into allowed him to absorb that energy and power just like captain marvel did. Like the ending in Quantumania said “Kang will return” we ain’t gonna see him till an end crefit I believe in a movie like Dr Strange that’s my belief… only movie that make sense. What’s your theory or thoughts ? What movie Is kang gonna be in an end credit ?

[@joshualastine7666]

This was crazy. I was 100% sure Lang (or at LEAST Pym) was going to die. We needed to see Kang take out a few Avengers before his debut...

[@140theguy]

Same problem with Gore the god butcher, we never really saw much in the way of butchering.

[@Jake-lc1lh]

The MCU just doesn't care any more... freakin horrible writers just don't understand the audience. Treating us like we're children.@@140theguy

[@robinlight]

​@@Jake-lc1lhbecause yall act like children.

[@Jake-lc1lh]

@@robinlight hoping for better writing is childish?

[@bucketboysx3129]

⁠@@140theguyoh no lie love and thunder was the worst of the three that year. Ant man’s death could have established Kang well. Similar to how doctor strange mom has Wanda wack a bunch of heroes. Made her very menacing and the only reason I liked the film a bit. Gore should have one either killed a Thor though I think he has a bit more story to tell and well is ridiculously powerful. Or had him at worst not turning good. Maybe gore fails in his goal but Thor is left destroyed having lost friends in the fight but gore weakened. Could have set up Gore to be a villian to be seen in another Thor film or something else entirely. Could have been wicked.

[@dyrellehart7887]

I think the three kangs at the end of quantumaina were discussing the death of he who remains, not kang from antman, when they said "they killed him" I think they were talking about the Lokis. If you watch the scene at the end of antman when all the kangs start getting telephoned in, we see (right in front) what looks like the Kang from antman, he even bows and bends the knee, as if he was saying thank you for rescuing me.

[@kangtheconqueror9545]

He was preventing everyone of his variants from existing by pruning timelines, so they could not be talked about a being that's own existence prevented their's. They were talking about the Conqueror.

[@Skynetexe]

OMG I LOVE Screen Crush’s version of how Quantumania should have ended. So dark and exactly how menacing Kang SHOULD BE!!!

[@Roboboy1277]

100% agree. I thought this going in. Kang killing Antman would have upped the stakes. Kang killing the most likable character in the MCU (because of Rudd’s performance) would have been a really solid way to show how terrifying Kang is and turn the audience against him. Huge disappointment it didn’t happen.

[@AllInTheGame01]

Yes - given that the hype/introduction of Kang The Conqueror is what propelled Quantumania to a $106.1m domestic opening - a huge record for the Ant-Man franchise then making Kang appear more formidable perhaps at the cost at one or two of the protagonists in the movie while making the production feel a little more tactile (like Loki) would've been a smarter way to go!

[@tomwills5231]

I can probably do you one better, Cassie needs to know or see that Scott died at the hands of Kang. Not only as a way to make Cassie create the young avengers in response to Kang, or his other variants, returning but also in terms of Iron lad, if they choose to do the character. From what I know from the comics, both iron lad and Cassie have a romantic relationship, which could spiral due to iron lad being a Kang variant and create a massive tear in the group.

[@DRS7672]

I can understand why they left Scott alive, but I think they really chose a bad way to do it. Actually, I like how the movie ends, because it starts with Scott showing off very often how he saved half of the universe in Endgame (an attitude that goes so well with his character), so to turn him from the saviour of half the universe to the one who condemned the entire multiverse is incredible. The bad thing is how they decided to tell that story, making Kang look like a pathetic villain instead of the next big threat of every known unverse.

[@ericwadebrown]

Totally agree. I've been saying the same thing. Why is Kang so feared when he gets beat so easily. I also think Loki's fear of Kang is too over-the-top since he hasn't seen him really do anything.

[@KorhalKk]

He saw Sylvie trying to kill him and he just knew how and when she would attack, this is high-class prescience and time-travelling. This is power to control the universe, like he did.

[@iwouldliketoorderanumber1b79]

True.

[@Eldritch-1]

He has control of time, that's terrifying enough.

[@Rikdewinter]

Maybe he's not feared because he's strong, but because there are so many.

[@s2nlethal248]

Hol up all these comments are cooking🤔

[@jkru1108]

I agree! I've rewatched it a few time and I thought that Kang should have killed Janet and Scott and/or Hope should have been trapped with Kang at the end. This sends Cassie to the current Avengers to warn them about Kang.

[@martinwhosoever]

I agree. In Quantumania, Kang felt like just another villain who gets defeated at the end of the movie. This thing is: this is THE villain, the biggest threat in the MCU right now. And one of the best ways to write a villain is for the people to hate it, but not hate in terms of disappointment, but to really hate it for how evil it is, such as 2012 Thanos in Endgame and his phrase “I am inevitable.”

[@charliefouracremoore]

I love this idea! I for one think it should have been a lot darker, maybe killing Cassy at the start giving Scott his motivation to help kang who promoses to bring her back, after she’s brought back, scott is killed in the show down and hope is made to relive the time loop of him dying and then Hank breaks the time loop and switches places with scott. Michael Douglas has made it clear he isn’t keen on the mcu, so his death is the best option

[@KCG7]

I was literally just thinking the other day that maybe Kang was actually a good guy in Ant Man and we just didn’t see it.

[@jessehugley7609]

I can’t believe Loki season 2 is way better than Ant-Man 3. It’s actually quite sad.

[@nicolasplodzik1035]

To the point. I completely agree 100%. Many people were theorizing who would die in this movie for no casualties in the ant family at all. Killing Scott or Hank for that matter would have been such a good pinnacle point for the saga and would serve as motivation for Cassie to join the Young Avengers. This movie deserves a death that would have a similar effect if not bigger than Phil Coulson's death in Avengers 1. This movie could have been way better but the potential was wasted. Once again SC great video and I completely agree.

[@jmattos]

I was SHOCKED that they didnt kill Ant man. SHOCKED. That was the thing they NEEDED to do to set the table to Kang, but they blew it. Hopefully its recoverable.

[@julioc.toledo]

After watching quantumania, I also thought that they focused on the wrong Ant-Man. I thought it would have been more compelling for Kang to be concerned with Hank Pym's intellect, seeing him as a threat, and kidnapping him to solve his quantum issues, incarcerating the others, and Scott Lang breaking all of them out. MODOK would still be the warden of that prison. Still could have the natives of the quantum realm have their resistance, and Cassie still learning from them and assisting them. We also could have had Kang get rid of Hank Pym for that heaviness/gravitas, either killing him off or throwing him into a quantum storm of some kind, where the character would be recast, and we could get a younger, more exuberantly-expressive-about-science Hank Pym (Side note: I hope that Reed Richards is very exuberant when it comes to his science experiments).

[@mon_nobi]

That recast idea is genius

[@tauronalpha539]

​@@mon_nobi somebody get this man a screenwriting credit

[@tauronalpha539]

This was perfect

[@kdstyles1979]

you make all movies and shows SO much better with your rewrites

[@BaithNa]

It's not hard to do when the original writing is terrible.

[@kdstyles1979]

@@BaithNa 🤣facts

[@Spider-Kayla]

Lang has always wanted to stand up for the little guy, do what was in his skill set to look after his family and clear his name. He has for most part changed some of his struggles into positives, but if he knew Kang was a threat to his family he had grown - he'd go to the limits of his capability to stop the threat. But, it wouldn't be enough to stop Kang sadly. Kang is a multi-versal threat even if there is only one Kang, if he wanted to kill an Avenger he could pick and kill any of them from all time and space given if he think they are worth a fight. I was pretty sure someone would die and not Modok (which was played off for laugh for some reason). I was sitting through the movie, hearing people laugh, telling Ma it will get serious and I nearly thought it would at the end - and it fell flat.

[@MatbatMatbat-wn3ek]

You are 100% right. Before and during when I watch Quantum Mania and saw kang start to lose I couldn't help but think about avengers mightiest heroes tv show and how they show kang in that was so perfect. In his first episode they show he going up against captain America, Iron Man, Wasp, Black panther, Hawkeye, hulk and even freaking Thor. He consistently had them on ropes and hulk plus Thor couldn't break his shield. He even swatted away antman in giant form with a flick from his hand. In every episode he was in he almost won and consistently overpowering characters like thor,, the thing and hulk who can shatter planet by getting angry enough. Even without his most powerful weapons at his side or even his damn battle suit he kill a a woolly mammoth with a spear and strength. He should have curb stomp the whole ant family in Bolivian and maybe tortured a member then show countless millions of him to scare the 👖 off us. I mean I love loki and Thanos snap his neck or throw the hulk show why he is the big bad. Why is kang's moment 😡😡

[@juanbaez5036]

Absolutely agree with you Ryan! I was like the least they could’ve done if they didn’t want to kill a legacy character. was like have kang about to kill him and the hope just comes and grabs Scott leaving kang there. But to have them “beat” him was just so anticlimactic and killed this whole kang is a threat vibe.

[@ronanzann4851]

That would have been the FINEST and most SHOCKING finale of all the Marvel films. Finally an ending that tops Infinity War !!! .................Well Done.

[@KamKing19]

I probably would have cheered in the theater and people would have looked at me like I was crazy.

[@elijahspeller6796]

Agreed...Kang NEEDED to delete someone in this movie... and he didn't.... think back to Thanos.... within the first 10 minutes of Infinity War he had killed Loki AND Heimdall... subdued Thor... beat the hell out the Hulk... AND had an infinity stone

[@andruism7]

I keep bringing this up with my brother as a running joke, but you remember that time that Scott Lang - the Baskin' Robbins guy - beat up Kang the conqueror? Y'know, Paul Rudd? Remember when he beat up Kang the Conqueror in his first appearance? Like, every time a villain goes out like a bitch I comment 'Well at least he wasn't beaten by SCOTT FREAKING LANG'.

[@slospop1125]

"I don't have to win, we both just have to lose" I loved this line, but I wish it had weight to it.

[@youravghuman5231]

It had no point at all since the antman had won lmfao. It's only gonna mean something if the one who says that sacrifices himself to be trapped with kang, thus "both loses".

[@anionhero]

I believe Victor Timely is Kang the Conqueror that we saw in Quantum Mania. I believe that before Loki season two is over, Silvie is going to use her daggers to make those cuts we see on Kang's face in Quantum mania. Thus, the cycle continues in the loop to get him where he will eventually be He Who Remains.

[@mahamedbarry3671]

How about now

[@Horrorlovanerd]

My biggest fear because Loki is pretty good so far and hyping Kang up so much that the ball will get dropped again. Especially we don't know what's going to happen with Majors IRL they might have to replace him. Sidebar... I do love how GOTG 3 handle they're villain by the end you wanted that guy to die and you hated him, that's what was missing in Antman 3

[@russ3875]

Yea I think so. Haven’t watched the Vid yet, but it was the third film & if they finished up all the side stories & even main ones that were developed throughout Ant-Man 1 & 2, then yea Scott should’ve got murked at the end of 3 by Kang. B/c especially for this type of “saga” we’re in is the multiverse, so it wouldn’t mean the end of Paul Rudd, but it would be for the 616 (or whatever the hell it is lol) one. Have a couple good scenes of him coming back in secret wars and then let that be it. Kinda like what Robert Downey Jr said abt Iron Man. If he kept portraying him in every film then that “magic” feeling ppl got watching him would soon go away & then So is the rep for all those good Iron Man Films. It sucks but he isn’t wrong

[@jasonwynn8053]

I disagree …I’m not saying it’s wrong, but it’s just not right. Scott Lange is trapped in a simulation where he killed Kang…I’ll prove it!! Way back in Endgame… Blackwidow and Captain America met with Scott Lange …he said 5 years more like 5 hours. 🎉 Scott said it again when he and his daughter first arrived in the Quatum realm. Y’all must’ve gone to the bathroom. I’m not sure 🤔 I’m not the smartest person,but I know what I’m talking about 😂 Proof: at the end of the movie Scott was right he had not defeated Kang and Scott was trapped in a simulation 😅😊@JohnCampea @KristianHarloff 😂🎉

[@jeweldeviI]

Oh that's so good. Too brutal. What if when he throws Scott in the cell Kang brings back to life, Hope embraces him, everything seems okay. But then his neck snaps and he dies. Then Hope. Looks up at Kang. Then Scott comes back. He's alive for 30 ish seconds then dies each time. Almost immediately Hope settles into a role of comforting Scott and staring hateful and didn't at Kang. It's just as brutal, but also leaves open a window for the Pyms to pull an End Game.

[@craigfin3222]

Nah, a more logical approach would be having Ant-Man just stall Kang's plans and not really had defeated him. Which is honestly what I thought they were going for when I saw the trailer with the line "I don't have to win. We both just have to lose!".

[@RobotRockRod]

I dont think he HAD to die(but your idea is cool too) I think Antman should've scarified his freedom by trapping himself n Kang in the quantum realm. The ants couldve still help in the fight, buying time for the crew to open an escape portal but Kang manage to defeat the ants, get back at Antman in a brutal fight, but Hope and his daughter managed to leave. Its less dark but still threatning enough to be a great intro to Kang.

[@espensrensen8318]

I totally agree. Here is a followup theory. What if in Kang Dynasty he meets the avengers and instakill Scott by jumping back in time to that moment, snapping his neck. The other Avengers and the audience would be completly shocked and in awe of this guy's power.

[@burrahobbit]

The whole movie needed to be sped up. The Ant family could have landed in the city and cut out that whole first part, cut the part with Bill Murray and just have Kang automatically know that Janet has returned, cut out MODOK and replace him with another heavy that doesn't need character development (maybe someone/thing that is already associated with Kang or time travel), Scott gets killed and Hope captured halfway through then everything else you said all in one movie. The whole Ant family are killed by the end, except for Cassie who escapes somehow. The post credit scene is Kang picking through the busted up Pym tech, implying that he's going to figure out how to use it to get out of the Quantum Realm. The stakes for the next installment are higher and everything is so much better.

[@jonruiz4623]

The only other way this could’ve been better IMO is if we got Michael Douglas to suit up as Ant-Man (Hell even Janet as OG Wasp) and in the midst of the fight Hank and Janet sacrifice themselves and die in order to keep Scott and Hope alive and they escape the Quantum Realm but just when they thought everything was clear…Kang escapes along with them but to a different point in time compared to them. Post credit concludes with us finding out Kang is in a different point in time and vows to conquer all.

[@danwimmer]

When Kang says that he will make Scott watch his daughter die over and over again MUST be a little hint that that Kang becomes he who remains. That repeating torture was done in season 1 of Loki by the TVA. but I still think Victor is not the same as Kang/he who remains. Victor is too weak and is either going to die or go away somehow. All of their variants have most likely made a similar time chair but not all actually used it. That's my guess

[@86MarcusP]

Always good review man, finally I subscribed! 😏🥃🥃😔🔥🔥

[@agizowat2545]

I'm more in the camp that Kang should've effortlessly escaped as soon as he got the core (a competent win for the big bad), and left Modak to send the Army and do with the Ant-family as he pleases (since annihilating them is PERSONAL to Darren for derailing his life). The movie ending with Scott and Hope holding off Modak, stopping kangs Army from escaping, and being trapped in the quantum realm as a part of the "rebels" army (who continuing to fight Modak's army as credits role, leaving the Ant-fam that escaped the task of getting them out in future MCU projects). In short, Modak should have been more active, played more seriously, and handed the reigns as villain of the movie, while Hope and Scott's fate are left uncertain trapped in the quantum realm in a war with him.🤷🏽‍♂️

[@analogmatrix1442]

Reminds me of TWD when fans said “ if Darryl dies we riot”. Once the public complained about how Glenn was taken out I knew that series was done and maybe all pop culture with it.

[@sourkoyote]

Also, fucking STOP ✋🏼 with the “shoots CGI lasers out of hands” gag. Wanda was hyped up for literally 7 years to be the Scarlet Witch & then when we finally saw her, all she did was shoot red lasers out of her hands, Kang has been anticipated & waited on for like 5 years now & then when we finally see his move set, he shoots blue lasers out of his hands & we get a 2 second close up on his face as he shoots them, twice.

[@mydislikedoesntmatter6537]

My problem with Kang is that everything their doing with him is just telling us he’s killed countless avengers and how big of a threat he is but they’re not showing it. Every variant we’ve seen so far have not portrayed as a superior to Thanos. He Who Remains gets killed by Silvi, Kang gets beat by Ant-Man, and now Victor Timely is getting chased by 1800’s townsfolk.

[@noahkatzenmeier9576]

To me, it seems like they’re putting Scott onto an arc like Tony after Avengers 1. Tony was constantly working and worrying about another invasion by Thanos, until he finally made a suit that could actually combat Thanos. Scott and the Ant fam can do something similar where they’re so worried about Kang that they constantly tinker with their quantum tech in order to combat Kangs ability to travel and knowledge of the multiverse and time travel

[@YBTekno]

I like this lol and all the ants are there too so who knows how that can fit into this too

[@youravghuman5231]

Nahh, that will be loki role with his new time-skip power. Loki already in dilemma because he saw the destructions of multiverses like kang. What antman gonna do? Travelling to another timeline/multiverse to chase kang while branching those multiverse?

[@seanwelsch2295]

While the idea would be interesting, there would only be two characters that could be killed - Scott and Janette. If Hank would stay behind or get killed there wouldn’t be any more Pym particles and thus no more Ant-man or Wasp. And if Hope got killed there would be criticism that she got fridged. But as another commenter pointed out, maybe this defeat is necessary to kick Kang into overdrive and get him to the point where he can and will really take on the Council of Kangs and the Avengers.

[@chrishurley8640]

This was very gruesome - I think that we could've had similar stakes if Hope and Scott just got trapped down there at the end of the film and it end there. At least then it would have something to follow up on in another project. Scott also could have died like you suggested and that would be good too but it didn't have to get so dark with Wasp having to relive the death over and over again because Kang doesn't have his time tech to make that happen (which you literally said in the beginning).

In my opinion this should have been more of an Ant Man movie like the two others focusing on the relationship between the characters especially the Van Dyne family using a lot of Michael Douglas skills than inevitably turning the attention to the Quantum Realm with MODOK being the main villain sending the signal and dragging them there as him being revealed as the secret benefactor watching the events from outside would make more sense that he would have beaten by Ants. In a post credit scene it’s revealed that Kang was behind this and decided to take things by his own hands. It would have been cool some interactions with other characters like Jimmy Woo or Louis.

[@DanielRodriguez-eh1qd]

Man that rewrite of Kang killing Scott and making Janet watch it over and over again would’ve changed peoples minds on the film drastically. It would’ve been an Infinity War style somber ending.

[@NYCwelder]

I agree with the overall premise of, “show me, don’t tell me.” But snapping Antmans neck and forcing the Wasp to watch his reanimated corpse be repeatedly re-killed might be a little too far for a Disney film trying to target kids of all ages. Still a great job Ryan. Your marvel takes lately are all of us.

[@BrockSamsonite]

Also i think the main villian is actually ms. Minutes... he who remains called time a prison and that he wanted to be killed to be set free. Im starting to think ms. Minutes is an AI made from a scan of ramona remslayers brain and that the ai fell in love with kang like ramona did. And she wanted kang all to herself and eventually trapped him with her at the end of time and the ending of season 1 was really kang trying to escape a prison he ultimately made for himself.

[@nanaholic01]

I don't think anyone needed to die but at least Scott and/or Hope should've been trapped in the Quantum world, with or without Kang. Yeah it's going to be a repeat of Antman 2 or would be a repeat of Janet's storyline but who gives a crap about that? The consistency of the tone of the movie and sticking the landing was far more important than the minor detail of reharshing the same plot. Plus unlike last time when Scott got stuck in the Quantum world alone where it was only 30 minutes for him (but 5 years outside), they could make it that this time he spend FAR longer there, and there's still a bunch of lifeform and Hank's now intelligent ants down there which he could interact with and grow as a person, making Scott be detached from all his old mentors and friends like Hank or the Avengers completely would've been a nice starting point for his next character arc.

[@michaelallen555]

OMG. Im so tried of hearing that kang should be more menacing or threatening when Thanos only showed up in little cameos until Infinity war. That whole time Thanos didn't have is best weapon the Gauntlet. And he was still menacing or whatever. Kang has YET to show of his best weapon in a fight. TIME. The finale for season one of Loki shows he time travel to avoid attacks, now combine that with his tech in the quantum realm which were things that he cobbled together with material from there and not the future. Its like they're showing all the pieces of the Kang we'll see in the next Avengers movie.

[@kxngfrvnk]

It’s not disappointing at all, multiple versions of him will be showing up because he always remains. There are weak versions of him like we saw in the new season of Loki, and there are versions of him that we have not seen yet. King himself even said he’s defeated other versions of himself.

[@Carlitobrigante_dd410]

I believe ant man is the key in loki season 2. Which is why loki was in quantumania post credits.

[@mattjohnson8657]

Great video. You need consulted for future movies.

[@Moto_Mo13]

I agree with this so heavily and I honestly believe super hero movies as a whole need to take a darker more serious turn. Granted they’re fun family movies but they’re starting to lose their umph and this is where shows like Gen V, the Boys, and Invincible excel. They show that supers with these world shaking powers are actually life and death for people in the wrong place at the wrong time. We need power scaling that results in real permanent consequences. Kang being this time traveling warlord who’s taken on MANY avengers and bested them all should’ve walked all over the ant family. And it would’ve definitely set the devastating tone that Kang is a series threat to the timeline the same way we were all absolutely blown away when Thanos ACTUALLY fulfilled his destiny. People literally hated the character and we should have the same scale for Kang

[@superheropow1]

Just to say it, for your sponsor segments, I love it when they involve a customer at your store. I hope you do that more :)

[@abdallagubara6718]

You are right. My friend who didn't watch Loki watched Ant Man before me and told me that Knag Is Just A Dude With A Suit. He also said that he was not scary as Thanos was.

[@Toxarcher]

Quantumania was a movie that i was pretty excited to see, because it featured kang, and after seeing tv shows like Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes as a kid and seeing how he took on 7 heroes single-handedly, and almost won, it really was a big disappointment when he got beat up by a bunch of ants. I think both Hank Pym and Janet should have sacrificed themselves to save Scott and Hope, because it helps their character arc, or even if the og ant man and the wasp plus scott and hope sacrifice themselves, it will make cassie a better character, and she would want revenge against kang for murdering her dad, and maybe there would have been a rematch in kang dynasty or secret wars between the two of them

[@dshock85]

I agree and will add the end of Loki should have set up Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home. Those two movies should have DIRECTLY and visually connected to Loki. The death of Kang should have unleashed Nightmare or Mephisto who should have played a direct role in No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness. So we could really see how dangerous Kangs existence and how important his existence is. Instead we got randomly sad mom goes on killing spree and grumpy wizard and angsty Spiderman cause an avengers level disaster. We should have seen him killing avengers.

[@kylearagon8223]

I had a similar telling of the quantamania, where both antman died....hope gets injured and while the "portal" is open the family take hope back and paul is getting wrecked...then Kang gets knocked by an invisible punch and Hank unshrinks and both do everything they can to keep Kang from entering the portal. Both then sacrifice themselves while Kangs unleashes an energy blast to free himself from the collapse of the timechair "thingy" where both antman are pulled into, but the portal dose close before Kang can reach it, keeping him stuck in the quantum realm... Tbh....I was abit buzzed while telling this so don't be too judgemental...haha

[@Scotty2Hotty4]

The only thing Is Kang in Antman didn’t know how to fix the core without Janet’s help, If he actually Is tied to Victor Timely and the sphere he was holding last episode then he should’ve escaped before they even came.

[@Madmij]

I mean if you want to go dark he'd probably be better off killing them all but Janet. She should've known better so she would be the one punished, then after she could be the one to reveal he's coming to the other heroes. But due to all her time in the quantum realm nobody really knows or believes her. She'd be a woman who spent decades imprisoned and now the world is missing the reason she wanted free in the first place. It would be captivating to watch her drag the rest of the MCU into the fight because she's so caught up in vengeance she can't see the consequences.

[@watchwithmeellebee]

I would have EATEN this storyline up! My goodness!! I HATED seeing Kang get beat up by the Golden Retriever of the MCU. Respectfully.

[@RiddleReelsA1R]

I feel like Sylvie killed He who Remains and then that unleashed all the Kang variants obvs in Loki S2 He Who Remains setted up a path where Victor Timely becomes the Superior Variant again but Prob the chain of event's cause Victor Timely to become the Kang the Conqueror as we know HWR killed many timelines so only he remains and there is one timeline and in all this somewhere after Victor becomes Kang all the other Variants kicks Kang out of Timeline and into the Quantum real

[@BrockSamsonite]

Ryan i came to a theory. If he who remains is really victor timely... and Victor timely is a conartist/inventor... That means eveything he said in the finale of season 1 was a lie meant to make sylvie kill him to reset the timeline over and over. Because thats really what he wants. Its classic reserve psychology tell her not to kill you after tormenting her until she wants nothing but to kill him. Kang wound sylvie up and set her off. The reason victor is surprised and excited when we meet him for the first time is because he wasnt expecting to see two lokis. Meaning he only ever planned on slyvie being there. Loki was always written to be victors villian of the sacred timeline. I think the shows final finale is gonna be a heartbreaking end with loki realizing he has to kill sylvie before she can kill victor in order to truly set her free from victors stranglehold over her and the timeline. Because loki is going to learn that contray to what prof. Hulk thinks, you actually can change the future or the past... but only by choosing in the moment (the present) to be a different variant than what victor is using his time loom to write their free will into. Maybe just maybe the time loom is another con and doesnt do what victor claims it does. Maybe instead of refining time as he says the loom really is a device that lets victor influence peoples ability to make choices. Because victor never intended to kill sylvie he needs her to kill him to reset the timeline. Also i think kang from quantumania was trapped in the quantum zone lost to time because he got pruned and lost his temporal aura. Which would also explain how victor plans to keep his other variants in time jail lost with no achoring auras. All the variants of victor most likely pruned by victor prime all ended up in chronopolis and had to fight each other for dominance which resulted in kang. And in antman quantumania scott bursts into spagetti at one point which is what O.B. says happens when you fall into a black hole. And i think the spaghetti is the prime becoming variants. Each strand being a variant. And when scott wins kang vanishes into what appears to swallow him up like a blackhole. Maybe this is the moment when kang prime was split into the kang variants, not the victor timely variants.

[@chadharter5731]

Having kang kill Scott and then have iron lad come into the picture and be a love interest to Cassie, knowing he will kill her father, would have been DEEP

[@BigMike793]

And that's why in Avengers Kang Dynasty we need a version of Kang to kill Scott right off the rip to show that not all Kang would waste time explaining themselves to the heroes.

[@dskillzhtown]

Alot of us said that when the movie was released. Scott or Hank had to go to establish Kang as a threat. Instead, Kang was defeated by some ants. The same guy that literally destroyed planets was defeated by some ants. The fact that Feige and the rest of the Marvel brass looked at that movie and thought it was great gives me zero hope for the future of the MCU.

[@SilkyVelvet]

It doesn't make sense for Kang to kill anyone in the Ant family. Loki S.2 ep.3 called out Victor Timely as a confidence trickster. Timely even says, "I can make my own choices. I'm not the man you think I am." If this Victor Timely is to become Kang, then playing a long con is within his character than killing for no reason. The long con being Kang tricking the Council of Kangs and the Ant family into thinking he was dead. 🤷🏾‍♀

[@trobtx3538]

marvel hasnt stopped forcing "The stakes are high because we told you they are" after thanos...they just wont show the stakes anymore, its always "everything will end " which gets less and less believable each time

[@racdude01]

Kang losing in Quantumania gives the avengers a false sense of security when he shows up again in Kang Dynasty. And that underestimation will lead to him completely obliterating them and setting up secret wars

[@ryanolsen6829]

Yes! Kang should have tortured Ant-man to setup the next phase! Kang should have been terrifying. The reason the Heath Ledger Joker is so scary is because the audience has no idea what he could do next. The MCU has totally forgotten how to write a good villain. A great hero arch needs an equally compelling villain arch. Watch Arcane, The Dark Knight, or even Toy Story 4. A good antagonist is needed to drive the story and often carry the story forward.

[@mojopotato1715]

I love love love your version much better! I like dark endings like you mentioned. I actually thought the movie was going to end with Ant Man and the Wasp trapped in the Quantum Realm, with Kang roaming free in the multiverse. I would’ve been cool with that.

[@shawnthegreat4281]

I agree 10000% if the whole next set of movies and TV series has been and going to be built up to Kang coming. How do you let Antman beat him in a hand-to-hand fight? I was so mad leaving the movie after seeing the ending. One of the things I loved about Thanos and the Infinity Stones movies was Thanos never lost any battle with any Avengers and with other Avengers which made me as a fan not deep into the comic books see Thanos as a serious problem for the Avengers to defeat. Kang lost to the Antman in a hand-to-hand fight so how can you make me feel like he can fight all the Averagers at once or even fight the Hulk? Whos great idea was that

[@rinsler1583]

I definitely think that kang killing Scott at the end would’ve raised the stakes but showing him die on screen over and over again is just way too much

[@GodBroly]

Hell for your original Scott dying scenario he doesn't even have to stay dead when they rescue Janet they could stop his death cycle to prevent him from dying but before that we would be able to see just how brutal Kang really is.

[@spideyfan95]

Plus if you think about the ended that was stated in the video about Scott’s body being used in a time loop could be a way to bring Scott back by eventually breaking the loop early. Thus killing him and not killing him at the same time. Like Schrödingers Cat.

[@kash4970]

I’m actually glad Kang didn’t kill Scott, cause how it ended is the perfect set up for him to return or utilize being “pruned” to tame the monster at the end of time. Also, Kang has destroyed entire universes compared to thanos snapping away half of it. I think it’s safe to say that Kang’s actions are far much dangerous and worse then thanos.

[@Cheo.M]

I've been saying this from the minute I walked out of the theater. Kang should've killed Antman or killed his daughter in front of him, Like he said he would. They removed all the drama and power away from the character. Killing antman or the whole family would've given real weight to the character and fear amoung whoever the Avengers are supposed to be now

[@garrison778]

I don’t know if I thought Ant-man should’ve died, but I do I’d think Ant-man and the wasp should’ve been stranded in the Quantum realm until like the next avenger or crossover film. It just felt like what was at stake? Janet was like this door won’t stay open for long, we need to get out or we are stuck. Door closed and Cassie opens a new one like 3 mins later… I think the film should’ve ended with Kang winning and escaping. Then Ant-man and the wasp are stranded. Then throughout the subsequent movies or shows, we see this Kang slowly rebuild or reclaim his power.

[@MechaFps]

Way better than the original. Only thing I would’ve added would be that Janet and Scott should’ve died. Janet’s death would make Hank be more active and effectively take Tony’s place as the MCU’s big brain. And Scott death would make Cassie join the young avengers as Stature.

[@IAMawsomeman24]

Tbh Disney really just didn't have the balls to kill of Paul Rudd bc he's one of the few remaining avengers whos real name still brings in seats. They should've had Scott break Kangs only means of escape, trapping both of them in the quantum realm, where then Kang eventually finishes beating Ant-Man to death

[@Firefairy1212]

Yeah, THIS, exactly. Thanos worked because the movies set us up to be scared of him from the jump. The first time our heroes cross paths with him, he defeats the strongest Asgardians PLUS the Hulk, leaving two dead gods in his wake. Whereas Kang basically monologues at Loki the first time we meet him and then gets his ass kicked by Ant-Man the second, and well…the mightiest Avenger, Ant-Man ain’t. It doesn’t feel like there are any stakes with Kang, despite what comic fans know he’s capable of, and it means his status as a heavy hitter is D.O.A. I hope Feige can right the ship, but if they’d done it your way, they’d be golden by now (*ahem* aside from She-Hulk and Secret Invasion).

[@jordanburden7018]

I feel like Scott or Hope should have also been stuck into that engine thing(i don’t remember the name) like Kang was with the audience and Scott/Hope’s family thinking they died but they comes back in a future project. I get it that we kinda got something similar in the infinity saga but they’d be stuck with Kang and he could easily torture them(dark i know) like you explain

[@gordieramsey287]

mix of your two scenarios i reckon, the shock of Scott at the end of this one but Hank trades his life for Scott's early in A:TKD. Will be fake out but no more then the Empire scenario being referenced with the fan favorite still coming back Bigger crime in this movie though was that the brocolli guy should have been voiced by Michael Pena and should have had Luis' unique story telling

[@omegaman2846]

I love the scene you built here, Ryan. It’s awesome and it makes me wish it happened exactly like this. I would have been chomping at the bit to see the Avengers kick this guys ass if this happened

[@chitrakbanerjee00001]

One more scene that I'd like to add in that killing scott lang antman part is kang at the last moment uses some weapon or something and rips off a leg or arm off cassie without breaking a sweat and immidiately after that the portal closes....that way years after when kang and cassie r face to face she'll b traumatized as hell and loose her nerve when fighting him (kind of a ripoff korra vs amon thing 😅)

[@amethystliacos3913]

It felt like he could have died at any time during that fight which was thrilling and enough for me. I dont really want every character replaced with a kid quite yet. The fact that the council was shown to track and then possibly trap Scott Lang and the Quantum gang in a mini reality is terrifying in itself. Not to mention Kang could have been transported somewhere far more suited for him to add fuel to a more swift and shocking revenge-driven death.