Ant-Man: Quantumania - How to Build a Cinematic Cash-Grab | Anatomy of a Failure

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Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania is another movie generated by the Marvel machine, this time happening to feature Ant-Man. It did quite poorly with audiences and also at the box-office, just like other more recent MCU movies like Eternals, easily the worst out of all Ant-Man movies. The main reason for that being that Quantumania isn't an Ant-Man movie so much as it's a cash-grab designed to service the future of the MCU and their new villain, Kang. In today's Anatomy of a Failure, let's shrink closer into what exactly is Quantumania missing that makes it a cash-grab and how to avoid falling into that same trap with you movie.
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Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023)
Super-Hero partners Scott Lang and Hope van Dyne, along with with Hope's parents Janet van Dyne and Hank Pym, and Scott's daughter Cassie Lang, find themselves exploring the Quantum Realm, interacting with strange new creatures and embarking on an adventure that will push them beyond the limits of what they thought possible.
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Ant-Man (2015)
The next evolution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe harnesses the tiniest but mightiest force know to man and introduces the newest member of the Avengers: MARVEL'S ANT-MAN. Armed with the amazing ability to shrink in scale but increase in strength, master thief Scott Lang must channel his inner hero and help his new mentor Dr. Hank Pym protect the secret behind his spectacular Ant-Man suit from a new generation of ruthless villains! With humanity's fate in the balance, Pym and Lang must plan and pull off a daring heist everything wrong with quantumania honest trailer kang all scenes kang explained quantumania ending explained after credits scene quantumania trailer kang vs avengers kang vs antman kang moments modok scenes modok meme funny quantumania bad movie good movie flop box office antman 3 antman worst mcu movies quantumania plot holes mistakes kang loki against insurmountable odds. Filled with humor, awesome special effects and exclusive bonus features, this action-packed adventure takes you to new levels of pulse-pounding excitement!

[@Filmento]

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[@DrRexie]

That was an absolute dick move. What you just did there were you said you were going to expose corruption in Marvel, and then you backpedalled. What a lazy attempt to get clicks

[@androssteague]

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[@Coolgamer..]

I never care about the Antman films especially when Edgar Wright left the project.

[@dinie693]

​@@androssteague i tried it once, didn't work for watching netflix. But I have great experience with surfshark.

[@kevina.2269]

Next time you lie about telling us something and don't tell us, I'll find you. Disliked

[@Maggisoo]

Modok laying on the ground after redeeming himself while he has been given the most bs motivation and our heroes mocking him as he dies is truly a masterpiece of scriptwriting.

[@flozenen6468]

At least he's not a dick anymore.

[@finleykennedy7763]

That was my favourite scene honestly, just everyone standing around on a green screen as mr electric blurts out nonsense final words is unreasonably funny to me because of how weird it is

[@homersimpson5497]

Ngl that was actually pretty funny

[@damianstarks3338]

Lol yeah a real masterpiece.

[@finleykennedy7763]

@@homersimpson5497 MODOK made me smile everytime he was in like the background of a shot, just really funny knowing he’s just back there

[@alexraiiiiiii]

cassie talk-no-jutsuing modok by simply saying "dont be a dick" is truly one of the cinematic moments of all time

[@Gyrbae]

Especially when she shittalked her literal world saving dad for not solving the homeless crisis. So powerful.

[@Neon-tj4el]

At first I thought this idea actually sounded pretty funny but then I remembered she’s an adult now and not a funny little girl

[@palashmukherjee9006]

*modofk

[@maninanikittycat4238]

I’m getting flashbacks to Steven Universe and it’s use of talk no Jutsu

[@sushigimme]

Same thing with Zendaya's character telling off Dr Strange in No Way Home...and he wasn't even the one at fault. Gotta love these "stunning and brave" characters.

[@tim72]

No matter how many times he does it I am always gobsmacked after Filmento reveals that he made the script for his video have the same flaws as the movies he talks about. I was so mad about the reveal being tossed to the side but then I realized that he was just doing what the movie did

[@TheNevoguy]

😂😂

[@CrimsonFuqr]

Its both clever, and irritating. Intentional hypocrisy is still hypocrisy, even if it perfectly establishes Filmentos point. Its meant to annoy us, while calling out the film as a punch line. Still annoying tho.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@CrimsonFuqr "intentional hypocrisy" is NOT "hypocrisy" when it's meant to prove a point to the audience to showcase an overall point. There's a big difference. It's not THAT "Still annoying" because there's a point being laid out here.

[@LuisSierra42]

@@CrimsonFuqr If it annoys you so much, i'll tell you who it is. It is The Rock! Filmento left clues in the video

[@ArifRWinandar]

@@CrimsonFuqr Well yeah, I can't say what insult others have said about you if I don't repeat the insult itself.

[@docsays]

The biggest sin they committed in Antman 3 was NOT bringing back Luis & have him recollect a story in at least one scene! Completely unforgivable 🙁

[@g.d.graham2446]

Same

[@g.d.graham2446]

Well you see that's complicated...😏

[@moneyboy2k]

💯

[@victortachiquin4965]

Yeah and that made the movie feel disconnected from a normal ant-man story, I was very disappointed he didn't come out in the movie.

[@Gyrbae]

I honestly didn't expect Kang to be such a pushover. The whole movie I waited for him to do something, anything that would cement him as THE villain of the coming saga. And yet, everyone walked away just fine, no one got trapped in Star W.. I mean Quantum Realm, and the stakes seem to be exactly where they were when the movie started. After two uninteresting and barely coherent tv shows and two lackluster movies, I'm officially marveled out.

[@michaelriverside1139]

If Kang squashed the whole Ant-Man cast except for maybe Cassie, there would be a plot and less character noise to look forward, but nah, the guy is not even Nappa-levels of secondary anime villain.

[@wolven6078]

I thought the exact same thing. This villain who's apparently so bad he would make Thanos brown his pants can be defeated in an afternoon by a teenager giving a generic speech and a middle-aged man throwing fisticuffs. Villains need to be dangerous to be threatening, and instead mostly I just sort of pitied him.

[@Gyrbae]

@@michaelriverside1139 Yeah I mean goddamn, if they care about those Ant Man characters so much then they can always bring them back using the dragonba.. I mean another universe from the multiverse. If there's no danger behind the main villain then there are no stakes, and then there's no reason to even get engaged.

[@asddsa8203]

@@michaelriverside1139 Can't have characters dying or real stakes or consequences in a children's movie.

[@michaelstrong5383]

Remember how Thanos became such a big threat at the very beginning of Infinity War? In the film's first ten minutes, he destroyed Thor's ship, defeated Hulk in a fight, killed Heimdall and choked Loki to death. In Kang's first big appearance, he lost to Ant-Man. *_ANT-MAN!!_* And this is supposed to be the same Kang who, as this movie implies, killed Thor in another timeline.

[@shubbyshabaas]

Infinity War and Endgame were the peak of the MCU, and I doubt Disney will be able to replicate that success ever again.

[@RodrickMarsMoon]

Yeaaah, even with all the flaws, I still think that the Secret Wars movie will surpass Endgame in some way, at least in terms of stakes 🤔.

[@Pon-PonG9]

​@@RodrickMarsMoonDefinitely not in terms of quality lol 😆.

[@ProtoMarcus]

Peak MCU was Captain America: The Winter Soldier and the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie, both out in 2014 - Marvel peaked in 2014, then kept slowly falling, had a nice little up boost with Infinity War, but never reached their 2014 peak to be honest

[@Pon-PonG9]

@@ProtoMarcus Hopefully Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is good

[@Dave1507]

They don't need to replicate. People who are invested in the MCU will go watch any MCU movie anyway

[@fr0ck360]

10:34 That train scene alone is way funnier than whole quippy jokes in Quantumania. That trailer fooled me to think that this movie is going to be consequential and serious

[@Ratchet2431]

I saw that many fell into the same trap, forgetting that at the time the Iron Man 3 trailer had also created the same expectations.

[@ArchyPoppy]

@@Ratchet2431 but iron man 3 was actually a good movie (i mean if you get past that mandarin being a fake its one of the better movies in the mcu)

[@Ratchet2431]

@@ArchyPoppy It may be, but the point is that when the trailers came out, many thought that the film would have a serious and transcendental tone in the style of The Dark Knight Rises, but in the end it turned out to be the opposite.

[@argost9029]

What bogged me the most with AntMan's powers in this movie is that technically he can shrink down/grow up at will between a minimum/maximum size. Since they are in the quantum realm, he should be able to grow up "infinitely" not just to a "15meter giant in the quantum realm", he could litteraly have crushed Kang and his whole base with One step by taking a "200 m size"

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

Scott solving the problem by just leaving. Simply growing so big that he's out of the quantum realm entirely.

[@salmantorik6091]

​@@MurasakiTsukimaru that's like the ending of ant man 1, he outgrew the quantum realm, somehow this movie just thinks quantum realm as some sort of another sci Fi out of this world land

[@timbecks81]

I thought this, the whole movie and science does not make any sense lol....

[@angryboi595]

Yeah shit just don’t make sense no more. He could solo everyone in the quantam role but I guess plot says no

[@Robyamdam]

If the movie had ended like Gumball squashing the virus in The Amazing world of gumball, I would've laughed my ass of

[@HeisenbergFam]

14:25 "the only way Ant-Man movie isnt a cashgrab is if its actually built with the fact its an Antman movie" is perfectly put, sad to see how Marvel has fallen

[@TEKITOcreations]

As a person who genuinely loved the first Ant-Man movie, it really hurts to see this series go out on such a low note.

[@senny-]

Same

[@Endru85x]

First part was not one my favs, but i liked it for being first heist movie in MCU, and ending that was not another CGI mess of nameless drones. Also concept of shrinking was not very popular as movie trend, since the days of movies like Innerspace. Somehow in Ant Man 2 it already got boring and whole story was dull with forgettable villains. Third Ant Man is just a mess of movie, i watched it like month ago and remember almost nothing. I have no excitement for Kang story at all, i will probably watch GotG vol3 and that,s all folks, i am done with MCU.

[@kbreezy1581]

@@Endru85x This happens quite a bit in the MCU. Dr strange introduced a ton of magic concepts such as the sling ring and astral projection, which all turned into complete and utter gimmicks by the time MOM came out.

[@brycebitetti1402]

@@kbreezy1581 Yeah, the whole "punching Strange out of his body" thing was cool the first time. Less so when it's happened in almost every movie Strange has been in since that film.

[@bl8388]

Its like it set the entire movie up for "The Army of the Kangs." A film I will definitely pass on.

[@peckerthemecher]

Not only was the entire quantum realm a CGI mess but it looked completely AI-generated

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

Don't entirely agree. There WERE quite a bit of some of things in the Quantum Realm that LOOKED fantastic more specifically, Kang's empire, Domain lair, and his soldiers/weapons/ships just looks AMAZING throughout. So it wasn't ALL " looked completely AI-generated" entirely at all but I DO get where you're coming from on why you might say that but it wasn't all a "cgi mess" at all entirely.

[@adanmartinezpiano]

7:28 Bro the green screen shows

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@adanmartinezpiano it looked pretty alright at the scene you picked right there in all honestly. It looked good enough as it was just in the background mostly!

[@Noperare]

Nah, somehow AI does better art because it is free to take concepts from a large data base, meanwhile, Marvel keep pulling from the same small pool of visual choices.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Noperare STRONGLY disagree with that as I have NO idea where this "naH" nonsense is coming from nor is this "Marvel keep pulling from the same small pool of visual choices." statement is coming from either as that's 100% NOT true at all, Marvel is keeps pulling from creative imaginative choices AS WELL as the comics and try to bring it all to life in live action in the BEST way possible. That's for sure and a given! Don't just thoughtlessly hate against them like this as what you're saying isn't true nor makes any sense at all.

[@Kagiso22]

You’ve said it perfectly. Marvel trying to build up Kang and keep this an Antman centred movie ended up diminishing our fear of Kang by having him beaten by Antman and all the time that Majors gets to partially give us insights into Kang is when his acting steals the show from Scott but then they can’t dive deep enough into Kang so we are left feeling like his motivations are ultimately still vague. So we are dissatisfied all round. They would’ve been better off giving Antman his own proper 3rd movie against Modok and then give us a Kang focused movie later maybe with him facing the young avengers which would prove weak to stop him but he really gets to shine as the focus coz all the young avengers have had their introductions in Disney plus stuff. Then later in Kang Dynasty we have a proper avengers team and a proper Kang whose motives we better understand and maybe then we deal with the internal conflicts between Kangs while they wipe the floor with our hero’s then later in Secret Wars the focus can go back to our heroes

[@thedozeecloset]

Hmmm... Well said

[@deadpooldan9862]

To be fair, I still feel like Kang is a bigger threat than Thanos simply because an entire COUNCIL of Kangs literally exiled him because of his ambition and ruthlessness. The fact he didn’t win doesn’t change that, because he was his own worse enemy

[@christopherlyndsay8611]

Exactly, they should've still had Kang be responsible for Modok, but only as a looming threat in the background

[@Emmanuel_Rocha]

​@@deadpooldan9862 but you didn't see that ambition and ruthlessness and its consequences. It's only mentioned... Barely. Therefore, it looses credibility to the audience. It might sound like a bigger threat, yeah, but he doesn't feel like it.

[@notfromhere8889]

Kang's motivation was explained I thought. He feels that wiping out extra universes will prevent the cataclysm He Who Remains spoke of.

[@RayMcElroy50]

Before Infinity War, we endured the worst movies because they could be relevant in the future Now watching anything from the MCU became a chore we no longer want to endure

[@anthonykf99]

I do

[@luxinvictus9018]

to be fair, most films before Endgame were still good. Even Iron Man 3 or Thor Dark World at least had a fun story good actors, and the film revolved around one narrative and one group of core characters. it was still dumb fun. now it's just a sequence of events that are strung together with a few cameos thrown in and lots and lots of characters no one knows played by actors who just want a paycheck, leading up to mostly nothing and tied in to mediocre series.

[@hardcorechan476]

The only truly awful spiral started with captain marvel, the rest were passable

[@Grasslander]

I haven't watched anything after Infinity War I and II. Everything was leading up to that, with the cosmic stones. After that I'm satisfied. Oh, the Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas movie, that's the exception. Because it was funny.

[@xipheonj]

@@hardcorechan476 and even Captain Marvel is good by the new current standard.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

The first movie was fairly decent, though very standard and predictable But if Edgar Wright had done it, it would've been groundbreaking

[@schris3]

Exactly, no matter if you like or not the first movie, it has a soul. This one doesn't

[@avinadadmendez4019]

​@@schris3 the 2nd one was terrible too. But MCU was still riding High

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

​@@schris3 First movie did not have soul. It had parts of a soul. The Edgar Wright parts and the 3 Wombats. 2nd one had even fewer soul. This one owes me a soul.

[@erikbihari3625]

The fact that he tweeted a screenshot from avengers earth's mightiest heroes and tagged it"homework"speaks volumes how mutch this missed mark! You agree folks?

[@xperson838]

Yes, but some of Wright's ideas are still scary. Especially the twist where old Hank Pym was supposed to be the real villain in the movie. This is the middle finger for all fans of the original Ant-Man. Just imagine if the main character in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movie was Miles Morales and Peter Parker was a retired old man who turns out to be a bad guy in the end. I doubt Spider-Man fans would be happy.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

Another aspect that needs to be mentioned is that some of the plot armor against Kang was egregious, like really REALLY egregious. When Kang came down from his station and was blasting out all the rebels with his beam rays, he was eradicating and incinerating ALL the people around him TO DUST with a single blast towards them in order to showcase how extremely deadly his attacks are. But when the antman family came in and especially Cassie, Kang BLASTED Cassie in the chest with a straight beam towards her yet all that happened to her is that she got pushed down despite what was happening to all the people around her as they got annihilated to nothing. It doesn't matter how strong your villain OR your heroes are, nothing beats Plot armor. Absolutely nothing at all, as no amount of strength or power can penetrate through it. It's like what happened to Arya in Season 8 of the final 2 episodes where she somehow survived all the dragon's flames destroying the entire city of King's landing despite the fact all the people around her got burned to literal ashes. And Arya got engulfed THREE times by the dragon's flames and survived even tho everyone around her in the SAME SPOT didn't. Plot armor like this just conveys that there's nothing for the audience to worry about for the characters as it shows that they are going to be alright no matter WHO they're facing off against. Marvel Studios SERIOUSLY needs to double check on this to make sure next time, this isn't an issue anymore at all and if the characters survive any situation, it has to be BELIEVABLE and credible to what's happening to the story around them based on what's been established Just want to make that clear.

[@abraham2172]

I agree, plotarmor is extremely annoying and can ruin movies. But appearently, people dont care, just look at disney "star wars" for example.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@abraham2172 Disney Star Wars is STILL star wars as disney has done some great and amazing stuff with Star Wars as shown. Regardless of what you think of the Star Wars sequels at all here as they have done alot of wrong, mainly in Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker (even tho I didn't see it completely) but there' still fantastic Disney Star Wars stuff around. Some of you overzealous Disney-haters are just out right obnoxious. People DO care but only the ones who are attentive to what's happening. And plot armor can "ruin" ANY story, regardless of the medium.

[@angryboi595]

I didn’t see the movie but I swear to god he literally evaporated people with his beams in the trailer, how did it not do the same? 💀

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@angryboi595 the plot armor was STRONG with the Antman family, Kang lost pretty badly in the film against them and it’s not a good look for your next big bad. Can you imagine thanos losing to Antman and his family? Absolutely not, so I don’t understand why Marvel is doing this to Kang as Kang is WAY more dangerous and powerful in JUST his base form than thanos is!

[@angryboi595]

@@Gadget-Walkmen exactly, he should just stick to being the final villain of the supposed “Secret Wars”, not getting his goofy ahh beat some mfs with size powers that are the goofiest people to exist

[@StefunnyStrange]

Filmento always makes me realize WHY I didn’t like a movie. I always walk out knowing I wasn’t a fan of it but can’t articulate in my mind why or I can but never get around to thinking too deeply about it. When I watch these videos I’m like “YES! THANK YOU! THATS why I hated it!”

[@actualnotanewbie]

Same. I actually liked this movie, but here he brings out all my complaints with the film except for one of them, that this movie tries too hard to be both a sci fi movie and a superhero movie that it doesn't do a great job of being either of them

[@frankorious534]

If you want to hype up your new villain, maybe it's not the best idea making him lose to Ant Man of all people

[@bananaking664]

@@ninjanibba4259 well he was in danger of dying i was pretty scared that he would’ve died

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@bananaking664 he didn't and he was never in danger, like at all, that's the point and the movie should've did it

[@bananaking664]

@@ninjanibba4259 he was though in the final fight he was getting his ass kicked

[@Coolcoolcooldude]

Sylvie was the first to kill him.

[@frankorious534]

At least there you could say he was a weaker Kang, not the conqueror version. But the Loki ending wasn't great either anyway

[@brandonmclendon5368]

Remember when Ant Man was a fun and simple franchise? God I miss those times

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

They honestly CAN ELEVATED Antman 3 into something more by pushing Scott's character into darker territories but the way how they handled it all wasn't done well in the slightest. You could have had Antman: Quantumania into something MUCH darker and serious entirely for the antman family to kick off Phase 5 with a Bang as the trailers for this movie WAS hype inducing but what mattered on HOW Antman was elevated into a much more serious story, which they couldn't entirely successful do. The issue isn't the fact that it's not a "fun and simple franchise" at all, the problem is HOW they handled the overall movie as a whole which missed the mark on what needed to be done.

[@thunderspark1536]

​@@Gadget-Walkmen Indeed. Like, at least have Kang kill ONE of the ant man family, pym sacrificing himself would work wonderfully.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@thunderspark1536 Nah, it's not just that. Janet needed to die, hank needed to die, or even Scott OR Cassie needed to die as well or had to be stuck in the quantum realm along side with Hope as Kang and his small empire left to conquer. Kang needed to win, like REALLY win in this movie in a overwhelming fashion to showcase how dangerous he is as he kills off most of the antman family with little effort.

[@ProtocolAbyss]

⁠@@Gadget-Walkmenthey could’ve have like Janet die, hank be horrendously injured with Hope getting Hank and Cassie (who could’ve caused this for not listening to her father and causing this mess) out if there with Scott staying behind in an act if sacrifice to secure his only daughters safety. This could’ve pushed Hope’s character to reflect on everything ahead did wrong and move on to go and save her father in another instalment or TV show. Also Kang shouldn’t have been in the movie as much as he did. It should’ve been Modoc (with him having a redemption arc at the end ig) with Kang killing and doing the most damage to really show off the power he holds.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@ProtocolAbyss lol no, I’m fine with everything with you saying EXCEPT Modok having a “redemption arc” lol NOT even close, just let villains BE evil and stay it like that. Kang could have been in the movie for a long while but he needed to be overwhelmingly evil and so did modok, but Modok needed to be scary and serious instead of the joke villain he was portrayed to be in this movie.

[@flozenen6468]

The moment a bunch of ants won against the next Thanos you know you're in trouble. How can he threaten anyone now?

[@jessicahogan7248]

They'll say he was a "weak variant and that the real Kang is more dangerous." All the while this one so bad they had to exile him out of normal reality. Wasn't good planning was it?

[@DATFilms]

He wasn't really though. He still fought Scott later.

[@Alexander_the_Greatest]

No, you see, there wouldn't be just one Thanos, there will be millions of mini-Thanos!

[@chesssse6607]

I understand if Marvel doesn't want to kill of Ant Man because of Rudd's loveable charisma but at least kill someone that matters at the end so we can feel like Kang is a threat.

[@angryboi595]

@TheGlassesPro yeah at this point they need to kill Hank and Janet. Like they’ve gone on for too long now, their entire purpose is passing the torch let them die now

[@cooliostarstache5474]

Dude, imagine if the movie ended with Pym, Wasp, and Cassie just getting obliterated by Kang and Ant Man is trapped in the Quantum Realm, being hunted by Kang's Army

[@tropicalsadness2407]

That would've been too sad for Disney movie!

[@arishemthejudge6780]

why dont these guys grow with the audience. we have all tired of seeing the same generic motivation bs and the good guys winning at absolutely no cost.

[@quantumslime7265]

This i think outlines the "MCU problem" really well. I don't think theres a problem with Marvel expanding on other ideas that existed in other mediums before. I think the biggest problem is this obsession with "franchisement" over the story. We're expected to watch this movie only because it is part of the MCU not because there is a story to tell or characters to explore.

[@paulgibbon5991]

One appealing thing about the MCU pretty much up till Age of Ultron was that there was very little required reading. You're jumping in with Winter Soldier? OK, they let you know that Cap is a super-soldier who fought the Nazis, and then got frozen till the modern day. Now enjoy our conspiracy thriller with cyborgs. Now, you need to watch a TV series to not miss out on significant plot points or character development.

[@quantumslime7265]

@@paulgibbon5991 Right. The Disney+ model of just making shows for the sake of making people hold on to their subscriptions instead of making a good story (not that there aren't any but they're pretty subpar at best) is also a huge factor. Hell its happening with star wars too. The problem is that its all about the money.

[@Wolfman7870]

Marvel's biggest problem currently is the activists masquerading as creatives using decades old ideas to push current social agendas. This movie has the exact same vibe as Doctor Strange: MoM. The main white male character is reduced to a shell of himself only really existing to endorse a young female hero. Even had some zany movie title akin to hysteria to try and generate fake excitement. It's all effects driven, empty storytelling that says nothing and doesn't need to exist.

[@leetri]

@@paulgibbon5991 And that is the reason why I don't even bother at all with these movies. I don't want to have to do homework and watch 5+ other seemingly unrelated movies and TV series just to watch the one I actually intend to watch, because if I don't I'll have no idea what is going on or who anyone is.

[@iamafish7]

​@@Wolfman7870 No one bitched about the zany title back in 2012.

[@Matezoide]

Still cant get over how badly MODOK was handled

[@suzygirl1843]

Antman should've been like Interstellar

[@erubin100]

@@michaelstrong5383 yes you can, if you're smart about it. years ago, nobody ever thought the guardians or thanos would ever translate well into live action either, but here we are.

[@youngsterjones]

​@@michaelstrong5383 they should've made modok look like he did in the avengers game

[@bananaking664]

@@youngsterjones def not they took modok there seriously which modok isn’t a character that is taken seriously

[@sentinel-zx7mj]

​@Banana King yeah, but Darren was a serious character, and modok was serious villain until the writers decided to make him less serious. And you could make him a joke without making him a clown by making him act serious while some characters don't take him very seriously like tazerface.

[@hunterkiller1440]

This Phase is facing a huge problem. They're trying to build up Kang thr Conqueror as the big terrifying boss. But how is everyone going to fear him when he's beaten twice by the Marvel punching bag and the Avengers goofball? It'd be like showing Thanos being defeated in Thor 1 by Loki then Thanos being defeated again in Antman 1.

[@ShadowSonic2]

No one complained in the comics when Squirrel Girl beat Thanos.

[@blockifahad6412]

​@@ShadowSonic2cause no one reads comics😂

[@TheChromeZebra]

@@ShadowSonic2 it’s a good thing we’re talking about the movies then huh

[@ether4211]

The problem wasn't so much the Quantum Realm as having 6 main characters do little to nothing for the entire film. Instead imagine how the film would have gone if it was just Ant Man and Cassie trapped in the Quantum Realm and needing to break into Kang's base in order to send a signal to have Hope and the rest of the gang rescue them? Now you have a story about the two of them actually getting to spend a lot of time together vs having the time split between the various groups. This then gives Scott a meaningful choice when he eventually meets Kang as we now know everything Cassie had to go through while he was gone. So the promise of Kang using the machine to go back and stop Scott from being arrested is a big one - on one side he's a famous Avenger, on the other he gets a redo on his life with the promise of going back to his old marriage and raising Cassie. However he knows Cassie is all about 'standing up for the little guy, and he'd have seen enough of the Quantum Realm to have seen the damage done by Kang. So he makes a real sacrifice and you still get the final battle - only this time it's a distraction for Cassie to defeat Modok and call in the rest of the crew. However instead of a clear ending with Kang defeated it ends with Scotts choice - then immediately cuts to the end scene which is filmed in a way that it's impossible to tell if Scott chose to remain as Ant Man or took the deal to just be Cassie's Dad?

[@quakethedoombringer]

I feel like they might actually implement that if Paul doesn't want to play Ant Man anymore, but since he is supposed to be one of the Avengers in Phase 5, they have to keep him alive

[@uhyeahthisguy]

I love how Filmento usually edits his thumbnails to be cursed, but this time he didn’t have to edit anything 😂

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

Na, he just had to drum up some nonsensical bullshit to cover for marvels terrible movies. "It's because of spies" is the biggest cope I've seen from any reviewer.

[@veryevilclown]

​@@elyrienvalkyr8167 The joke is there was no spy because he built up a fictional double agent that amounted to nothing at the end just like how the movie treated kang

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

I get that Modok is SUPPOSED to look weird by inherent design as characters IN UNIVERSE make fun of how he looks as a "very big head", but they should have made him look WAY scarier and grotesque and make him one for one like Modok looks in the comics with OPEN wide white eyes and a ghoulish big horrifying mouth and make him speak like Igor from Frankenstein or Dr.N Gin from Crash. They REALLY should have made Modok look like a monstrous horrifying scary killing machine creature on purpose for audiences to take him VERY seriously as to being the most scary scenes in the film WHILE still keeping his high intelligence as a super computer calculating brain. Would have been a MUCH better direction for the character as adapting Modok is tricky but I do believe making him scary and horrific is the best choice when you bring him into live-action.

[@NeonDeity]

​@@Gadget-Walkmen greatly put

[@TheGuy-cf2rg]

😂

[@LeonardoKlotz]

After what Disney did to Hulk and Thor I'm not looking forward to see what they'll do with the X-Men

[@kevingame3198]

Unless it gets new leadership and completely restart the mcu under Sony of course not they are slim chances of that happening

[@LeonardoKlotz]

@@kevingame3198 or bring back Simon Kinberg He did a good job as a producer

[@kevingame3198]

@@LeonardoKlotz and also marvel gets sold to Sony too

[@LeonardoKlotz]

@@kevingame3198 if they do this, Avi Arad will ruin everything

[@kevingame3198]

@@LeonardoKlotz but still sony is better but we have no choices since disney far worse

[@FOF275]

The fact that Kang the Conqueror, the super genius from the future who's a descendant of freaking Reed Richards needs the help of Ant-Man and friends and gets defeated by them is absolutely insulting. But given what they did to Reed, it's not surprising

[@myronbourne6937]

Smartest man in the world got turned into Ramen 😂

[@SparkolGamer]

I also think that Janet, the one that didn't speak about what was in the quantum realm had bad motivation or bad reactions We don't see her suffering from the stress of being there And when she gets back to it we don't see any reaction of fear, trauma anything, she just gets all in control and starts to talk about kang as "HIM". I may ne wrong, but it makes the character feel unmotivated

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

It's why HISHE mocked it by just making Jane explain wtf was the problem with the Quantum Realm rather than give extremely vague warnings. End result: They don't activate the signal and the movie never happens.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

Obviously we know the real reason is because the MCU didn’t plan on Kang being introduced in the Quantum Realm until after Endgame. But it does sacrifice the character by doing so. The character just comes across as an idiot for not saying anything. Even if for whatever reason the character absolutely did not want to reveal who Kang was specifically, she could have always just said something along the lines of “don’t send a signal to the quantum realm because there’s a multiversal threat down there” or something similar

[@herrnenne]

It was so annoying hearing her talking about this big threat in every scene but never telling her family who appearently is in mortal danger what is going on. "Oh, we are in grave danger,, but I can't tell you more because the 2 % of people who doesn't already know that this movie is about Kang can't know who the big bad is yet". And so, Hank Pym wants to take a vacation and get drunk instead.

[@angryboi595]

It kinda reminds me of a scene in Deltarune Chapter 2 where Ralsei is so calm after Kris learns they are being puppetered after killing Spamton and can’t be free from the control, and is unphased by them screaming. Except it’s not oddly mysterious and suspicious of Ralsei that gets you thinking, it’s just dumb and a poor version of it

[@trinaq]

They replaced Emma Fuhrmann, the original Cassie, with Kathryn Newton so abruptly, that not even Emma knew until the casting announcement. While Kathryn is a decent actress, she seemed capable of making only one facial expression during the entire movie.

[@damonlam9145]

Yeah, the actor replacement seems pretty stupid and unnecessary if you asked me.

[@tiktokcompilations797]

Not only can she not act they ruined the character by making her an annoying brat

[@michaelstrong5383]

I felt more emotion from their reunion scene in Endgame than any of their scenes in this movie.

[@cbraun7178]

@@theglassespro4557 She is 15 so would have major restrictions. They probably replaced her bc it's more convenient. New actress is 26 and more famous.

[@ShadeDraws]

​@@cbraun7178 famous?😅

[@JohnnyElRed]

Basically, Marvel has turned on what many had accused it of being for years: formulaic.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

They didn't listen to improve, they listened to agree.

[@sterling7]

As I said elsewhere, I think there may have been a more interesting movie in the works here at some point. The emphasis in the early trailers seemed to be about Scott doing something for Kang and Kang in return giving Scott the chance to regain the time he had lost with his daughter. That whole weird, over-emphasized "You broke your word!!!" sequence also seems to have been written to follow events far more integral and meaningful than what actually occurred. I have to wonder if there was a "you regain the lost time but never become Ant-Man" plot-line, or something of the sort, that got discarded for the shooty CGI-blandfest that actually made it to the screen.

[@sterling7]

@@theglassespro4557 That may well be true. Either version would have benefited from spending more time getting the audience to invest in its characters and endowing events with real stakes and consequences. The amount of screen time that goes into throwaway bits about Janet's past in the quantum realm or how ineffectual MODOK is could have been better invested, for example.

[@adriannaranjo4397]

Its amazing how the first movie being the written off, budgeted film worked in its favor made it unique and a surprise hit Then Quantamania flipped it on its script making it a bloated, self important film where Ant Man feels like a side character in his own movie

[@ethibodeaux7]

They did the same thing with multiverse of madness

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

That last line reminds me of a story I dropped because the alleged MC was a minor side character in his own story. Allegedly, his power would let him do almost anything if he can figure out how. In reality, it forced him to be a support character who only exists to give permanent buffs to others, which was later revealed to be because his power is sapient and actively hates him.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Just like with gaming, usually the bigger the budget, the smaller the creativity, and the worse the product ends up.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@ethibodeaux7 No one complained when Mad Max did the same thing.

[@TRG_R17]

Reply 5

[@rogerkincaid931]

The Ant-Man movies have always been used to advance future installments: The first movie had an all too standard and basic plot and its purpose was just to introduce Scott so the audience would welcome him when he shows up in _Civil War._ The second movie had an even simpler plot to the point of almost non-existent. And its purpose was to introduce the quantum gizmo for the time machine to work in _Endgame._ Here, it's purpose is just to hype up Kang. And bafflingly, he gets defeated in the movie. How are we supposed to take him as a genuine threat now? He boasted about killing the Avengers, but gets killed himself in an Ant-Man movie.

[@Ratchet2431]

Thank you. I've seen a lot of comments defending the way they're introducing Kang, but I can't understand how a villain we see being defeated by a couple of heroes and who (from what I understand) will also be defeated in other movies and series before the big event can be seen as a real threat.

[@Axterix13]

I wouldn't say the second movie really advances any future installment. Yes, time being different in the Quantum Realm is mentioned, and they need some Pym Particles for the time travel gizmos to work, but, well, if Ant-Man didn't exist, they would just use some different techno-babble or magic-spell to make it work, with only a line or two of dialogue changed. And the first movie wasn't made just so they can put him in Civil War. Rather, they had him established already, so they used him in Civil War. And both of those are a far cry from using a movie to launch the new, big baddie, in a big role, rather than just a small cameo.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

At least the first two movies worked well on their own and didn’t feel like they only existed purely to advance the mcu

[@StopMarxism]

i can see yall dn't read the comic versions of all this

[@rogerkincaid931]

@@StopMarxism - That's right. I never read any of the comics.

[@Grasslander]

Ant-Man 3 is like ChatGPT writing a movie. Insert bullet points and press enter.

[@Makrangoncias]

Literal ChatGPT story: (It took a few tries to fix all the pre-existing errors in its concept, like for example Hope's parents being dead) The film begins with Scott Lang (Ant-Man) and Hope van Dyne (the Wasp) trying to balance their superhero duties with their personal lives. However, their peaceful existence is shattered when they encounter a new threat that emerges from the Quantum Realm. This threat is revealed to be an ancient and powerful entity that seeks to harness the Quantum Realm's energies to achieve god-like power. Scott and Hope are pulled into the Realm during a battle with the entity, leaving Hank Pym (the original Ant-Man) and Janet van Dyne (the Wasp's mother) on the outside. Once inside the Quantum Realm, Scott and Hope discover that the entity has made an alliance with Kang the Conqueror, a time-traveling warlord who seeks to conquer all of time and space. Together, the two villains plan to use the Quantum Realm to achieve their goals. Scott and Hope realize that they are outmatched by Kang's abilities and seek the help of Hank and Janet, who are able to communicate with them from the outside using their advanced technology. Together, the four heroes devise a plan to stop Kang and the entity by building a device that can neutralize their powers. As they work on the device, Scott and Hope face numerous challenges and make difficult choices. They also discover secrets about the Quantum Realm and its connection to the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe. In the end, the heroes are able to activate the device and neutralize Kang and the entity's powers, but they are unable to capture them. Kang escapes to an unknown time period, while the entity is sealed away in the Quantum Realm. The heroes emerge from the Realm victorious, but uncertain about the threats that may still be lurking within it. The film ends with Scott, Hope, Hank, and Janet contemplating the implications of their battle and what it means for the future of the Quantum Realm. They also vow to continue protecting their world from any threats, no matter how powerful they may be. This storyline incorporates the idea of the Quantum Realm threat from the previous script while still keeping the focus on the Ant-Man characters. It also introduces Kang as a villain and leaves his ultimate fate open for a future movie.

[@Makrangoncias]

Bing AI outdid itself. It sounds actually awesome. The film starts with a flashback of Janet van Dyne meeting Kang in the Quantum Realm and learning about his plans to conquer the multiverse. In the present day, Scott Lang and Hope van Dyne are happy together and have a successful book and podcast about their adventures as Ant-Man and the Wasp. Cassie Lang, now a teenager, is distant from her father and wants to join the Young Avengers, a group of teenage superheroes led by Kate Bishop. Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne are working on a new project to explore the Quantum Realm and find a way to stabilize it. Kang, who has been monitoring their activities, decides to attack them and sends his army of Chronopolis soldiers to invade their lab. Scott, Hope, Hank, Janet, and Cassie are forced to flee into the Quantum Realm using a modified Quantum Tunnel device. There, they encounter various dangers and wonders, such as giant creatures, microscopic civilizations, and alternate realities. They also meet Lord Krylar, an ally of Kang who rules over a kingdom of quantum beings called the Qons. Kang reveals that he wants to use Hank’s technology to create a Quantum Bridge that would allow him to access any point in time and space and rewrite history as he pleases. He also reveals that he has kidnapped Cassie’s mother Maggie and her husband Paxton as leverage to force Scott to cooperate with him. Scott and Hope decide to fight back and enlist the help of their friends Jimmy Woo, Veb, Jentorra, Quaz, Xolum, and Axia. They also discover that Bill Murray is secretly a quantum physicist who has been hiding in the Quantum Realm for years and has valuable information about Kang’s weaknesses. They manage to infiltrate Kang’s fortress and free Maggie and Paxton, but Kang captures Cassie and threatens to kill her unless Scott surrenders. Scott agrees to give up his Ant-Man suit and the Quantum Tunnel device, but Hope secretly plants a bomb on them that detonates when Kang activates them. The explosion causes a massive quantum shockwave that destabilizes the Quantum Realm and opens rifts to other dimensions. Scott and Hope manage to rescue Cassie and escape through one of the rifts, but they end up in a different timeline where Kang has already conquered the world. They realize that they have to find a way back to their original timeline and stop Kang before he destroys everything they love.

[@ramert32]

The EFAP for this is great.

[@edrick106]

I like how no one in the movie questions Cassidy having her own ant-man suit. Hank Pym worked on his for years, but now the teenager suddenly knows how to build one, on her own? Come on. And they didn't even tried to make the design stand out from the other two suits. They straight up took the Wasp suit, removed the wings, removed the blasters, and changed the color to purple. It would have been much better if her suit was not so perfect, if it was rough, with a different helmet, i don't know, just SOMETHING to show she is trying to copy Ant-Man but can't get there yet because of her lack of knowledge and skill. It should look like a bootleg. Then at the end of the movie you can have Hank Pym build a better suit for her, just like Wasp got the reveal of her suit at the end of Ant-Man 1.

[@ShadowSonic2]

She didn't make it on her own, Hank made it for her right from the start.

[@DiscoBallGaming]

I still cannot believe the fact someone ever let that CGI slide. They could have done something else but stretch his face from 4:3 to 16:9

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@TheGlassesPro EXACTLY, its supposed to be a deformed face, not a instagram filter.

[@Mikkeru]

Why didnt they make Kang kill 50% or more of the people trying to fight back against Kang? That wouldve set the tone that this guy is actually dangerous, but instead noone died.

[@Gyrbae]

I went in to the movie with that exact expectation, and Kang got clowned harder than that guy who was the main villain in GOTG1.

[@AurelionSass]

@@Gyrbae Seeing your comment, it took me a while to even remember who the antagonist in GOTG1 was. 🤣

[@senny-]

Maybe a hot take but, maybe Ant-man should've died here. Like Filmento said, his story is over. There's nothing more which they can explore to the character.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@senny-Nah, ant man has a good room to explore, like a common man saving the universe and the after effects that can cause him can be interesting, the thing is it should have been another movie, not quantumania.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

No, you’re entirely wrong about that aspect. Some DID die but not all of them. Another aspect that needs to be mentioned is that some of the plot armor against Kang was egregious, like really REALLY egregious. When Kang came down from his station and was blasting out all the rebels with his beam rays, he was eradicating and incinerating ALL the people around him TO DUST with a single blast towards them in order to showcase how extremely deadly his attacks are. But when the antman family came in and especially Cassie, Kang BLASTED Cassie in the chest with a straight beam towards her yet all that happened to her is that she got pushed down despite what was happening to all the people around her as they got annihilated to nothing. It doesn't matter how strong your villain OR your heroes are, nothing beats Plot armor. Absolutely nothing at all, as no amount of strength or power can penetrate through it. It's like what happened to Arya in Season 8 of the final 2 episodes where she somehow survived all the dragon's flames destroying the entire city of King's landing despite the fact all the people around her got burned to literal ashes. And Arya got engulfed THREE times by the dragon's flames and survived even tho everyone around her in the SAME SPOT didn't. Plot armor like this just conveys that there's nothing for the audience to worry about for the characters as it shows that they are going to be alright no matter WHO they're facing off against. Marvel Studios SERIOUSLY needs to double check on this to make sure next time, this isn't an issue anymore at all and if the characters survive any situation, it has to be BELIEVABLE and credible to what's happening to the story around them based on what's been established Just want to make that clear.

[@knightofthenight3420]

You know that a movie is bad when you only remember the bad CGI in it.

[@xipheonj]

That DC spy bit was brilliant. I didn't see it coming and the payoff was so satisfying.

[@deepakminz1332]

James Gunn

[@MrNateRed]

You didn't get it...

[@ANIMEyRAP]

I didnt get, can You explain ?

[@kaineriley5930]

​@@ANIMEyRAP He might be referring to Jeff Loveness, who worked on Rick and Morty (a show distributed by WB, which owns DC)

[@xipheonj]

@@ANIMEyRAP One of the only reasons the movie existed was to set up Kang, but it failed at that because we didn't really learn anything about him. In this review he did the same. He setup this villain, the DC spy, then the big reveal at the end of the review was that we still don't learn who it was. The twist is that there isn't actually a spy, it was just a joke he setup to reinforce his thesis. He even told us as much when he said he can't reveal who it is until he finishes his critique.

[@py16667]

It’s sad because there was so much potential, there’s some really great ideas, the pieces of the puzzle were there, but they ended up with a jumbled mess instead of a complete work

[@liamphibia]

If Quantumania was trying to go big just like No Way Home, they've *failed* miserably.🙁

[@luma4902]

Same with multiverse of madness

[@py16667]

@@luma4902 You’re not wrong but MoM has way more going for it than this did & actually still felt like a Dr Strange movie

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@liamphibia No Way Home was nothing but gutless fanservice.

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

@@ShadowSonic2 No, it was an amazing movie. You’re just one of those idiots who demonize fan service.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Everything was heading towards INFINITY WAR and ENDGAME Now the MCU became one big bubble, ready to burst

[@Lawlzinator]

Anytime a series has to resort to alternate worlds/universes/timelines, you know they’re out of ideas and desperate for money

[@fbi3526]

It’s becoming the western film down fall situation again but this time with super heroes but it was an honour watching Stan lees work come true 2008-2019 thank you Stan Lee for making our child hood heroes and villains come to life

[@leetri]

@@Lawlzinator Eh, there's nothing wrong with alternate universes as a concept. The problem is that they're just being lazy about it and not using them to do anything interesting, a lot of it can just be rewritten slightly to remove the alternate universe and it still would work just as well.

[@noobthenewt1048]

AM3 made not as much money compared to other MCU films, which kind of proves this statement

[@paulaburrows8660]

The scene were Kang batters Scott was visceral and very believable

[@anubusx]

Let's hope life does not imitate art.

[@g.d.graham2446]

It should've ended with him being trapped in the Quantum Realm with Kang, but alas

[@shivam_k09]

One thing I was very confused about is how are they shrinking even further when they are already in quantum realm. I thought because we were told told that quantum realm was already the smallest level there is

[@venusstar2963]

That could've actually made the plot even scarier for the main protagonists, by having them severely handicapped by the fact half their powerset doesn't work in the Quantum Realm. Then again someone else pointed out in the comments that since its the quantum realm they can grow to be however big they want to be.

[@shivam_k09]

@@venusstar2963 yes that's exactly what I was thinking throughout the movie. It would've been cool to see ant man go the other way like that.

[@venusstar2963]

@shivam_k09 lol, instead of Antman, it's giAntman

[@shivam_k09]

@@venusstar2963 woahh!! That's nice!

[@heathersmith4042]

they gave some stupid, hacky explanation that the quantum realm isn't just super small, it's a different world alltogether that you access by shrinking super small. it's not impressive.

[@reportedbooch697]

My main takeaway from the film when it came out was “I’m not scared of Kang, I’m scared of Johnathan Majors.” That statement still holds firm

[@Eli_JK]

This aged well

[@g.d.graham2446]

Interesting

[@mrsneedy1034]

This both aged like wine and milk

[@Zombiesnyder13]

The MCU became a dead end

[@ansonchow2016]

Guardians of the galaxy 3 says otherwise

[@rogerkincaid931]

​@@ansonchow2016 - _Vol. 3_ is by James Gunn, who's moving over to DC.

[@erickrasniewski567]

​@@ansonchow2016 2 gems doesn't make a pile of shit good now

[@g.d.graham2446]

Since Endgame, that's definitely been true, but at least I'll still watch Guardians 3

[@ansonchow2016]

@@rogerkincaid931 So? You think just because he is moving to DC, he's gonna purposely make GOTG3 bad so future DC films can look good?

[@rockyraccoon24]

I think they should’ve had Scott not being able to shrink in the quantum realm. Not only would it’ve made the movie feel more Ant-Man specific, but it would’ve added another layer of urgency. It felt weird that the ants were in giant form but Scott, Kassie, and Hope could shrink down.

[@octaviawinter9768]

The thing is, the actor for Kang was so convincing and so good. His acting was incredible, but I wish they’d given him more. I was actually intimidated by him, the way he spoke, his mature confidence, and his ability to kill people without a second thought(even if they’re just extras it’s important that we understand how he did it so easily and without any sign of remorse). He had SO much potential. Makes me a little sad. I want his character to come back if they do a third movie and I want him to be a really well written villain.

[@TheRaxxess]

Wish you would've touched on the fact that all the other 3rd solo films had a formula of breaking down the character and reshaping them and how Ant-Man did not get this treatment for the sake of building up Kang

[@octaviawinter9768]

I felt he did, for this reason: when Kang’s people went to the group of rebels in hiding(where Ant-Man was) he ran away holding his daughters hand when he could have easily fought. Many people got hurt or killed but his focus was on protecting his daughter, even if that meant not being a hero for anyone else. She reminded him of who he was, what got him there, protecting the little guy. Throughout the movie we see this tested, like when he goes to retrieve the time ball(I’m sorry I forgot the name…) to protect his daughter, even when it’s putting whole worlds in danger and possibly killing trillions. The first movie and second movie involved him trying to be a good dad and be there for her, even when he had to neglect her to save others. But now he’s neglecting others to save her. He has to deal with this constant fight within himself and realize his priorities, something that feels like a genuine struggle a hero would have to go through. His being a parent and fighting with that identity and his hero identity was really interesting for me to watch. I felt disappointed at times but I also understood why he made those choices. I can’t say much about how it concluded as a whole, but I do think they developed and made him his own.

[@schris3]

Is a bit of handicap that his arc is resolved, he's no longer a thief and he's reformed and happier, but one manner to get around that is if Scott had to use his skills as a former thief to fix the issue, but as you said, he had to fix an issue because it happens he has shrinking powers, and the worst part is that his powers aren't completely from himself, that just screams bad and lazy writing more akin to a bad cartoon.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

With what? I don't get what you mean at all. How is his "his powers aren't completely from himself" in ANY way "screams bad and lazy writing" AT ALL in anyway? I don't get what you mean? Scott Lang inherited the powers of Antman from Hank Pym as a super suit that he wears and EVERYONE knew that as those powers comes from a suit and EVERYONE is fine with that as that's what makes Antman ANTMAN, what more can you get? What are you talking about and referring to here at all? I don't know what you mean as you seem to not exactly be clear here.

[@schris3]

@@Gadget-Walkmen Is bad and lazy writing because if the story didn't need to drag Scott to an adventure, Kang could have instead simply look for ways to take over Hank Pym technology instead of just relying on Scott for his plans.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@schris3 You’re not making any sense at all as Kang doesn’t know anything about Hank at all, nor does he know anything about how exactly hank’s technology functions, he just knows what Antman can do at the moment and Scott was JUST the man to be there to assist him. He JUST started to know Scott Lang and his abilities when they came into the Quantum Realm here and as far as Kang knows, he’s the ONLY person with his abilities to do said job effectively as he’s threatening Cassie to use Scott and he doesn’t know anything about Hank. This should be obvious and clear based on what KANG knows about the Antman movie and family AT the moment. The movie has big issues but your complaint here doesn’t make any sense at all as it’s NOT “bAd aNd lAzY wRitiNg” at all when you look at the context of the situation. Scott and his family got dragged into the quantum realm unwilling (I would have preferred it if Scott WANTED to go to Quantum realm out of his own free will to do something for his on sake but can’t do anything about that now) and they were PLANNING to get out of there but Kang noticed Scott’s plans and his skills when he arrived and needed him to “steal” something for him. That’s the plot regarding these two. Kang didn’t know anything about Hank or his tech, he JUST knew Scott and his skills at the moment, that should be obvious. That’s not “bAd aNd wRiTiNg” at all, yeah the story could have been written much MUCH better with the relationship between the two as Scott could have been the ONLY master thief in the Quantum Realm to steal something for Kang’s needs after they struck up a deal but it’s obvious Scott got dragged in because his whole FAMILY got dragged in and they needed to get out of their as Kang was using them for Scott’s skills and tech. And it seems like Kang couldn’t go down there himself to that space to fix his ship because if there was more than one Copy of himself, like the other Kang variants, they would have all ended up killing each other or unable to comply with one another. Scott seems to be only one who can’t be able start a conflict with himself when clones of himself started to pop out. That should be obvious. You’re wrong in this complaint as it makes sense from KANG’S perspective on why he needs Scott and his skills at the moment based on what he knows Antman can do. Not at all “bAd aNd laZy wRitInG” in this case!

[@thunderspark1536]

​@@Gadget-Walkmen But again, that's not Scott's ability, it's Ant man's. He never uses his thief skills in the movie.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@thunderspark1536 Yeah but he's clearly the MAIN antman of the franchise as he's clearly the new one to inherit the title. It IS his ability but he has other abilities. But yeah, he should have REALLY used his thief skills in this film.

[@Filmy_Maguire_69420]

This movie was supposed to be an Antman movie with Kang sprinkled in it, But it tried to be a Kang movie with a little Antman in it, and it failed to do both

[@ixxclutchxxi1393]

You hit the nail right on the head. Such wasted potential. Such a money grab. Please for the love of God no one in the audience gives AF about a cgi monstrosity or how good you can make cgi look. Just show us stories and ideals and emotions we can care for.

[@thememe4u]

Ant Man 3 felt like a Star Wars movie in some ways, which is bad in this case because Disney is making it

[@michaelstrong5383]

I had serious Cantina vibes from that bar scene where they meet Bill Murray.

[@Rishi123456789]

@@michaelstrong5383 I'm pretty sure that was intentional. That was a homage to the cantina scene from A New Hope.

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@Rishi123456789 Kind of shows how bland the Quantum Realm really is. The film treats it as if it's unlike anything we've ever seen before, where in reality, it really is everything we've seen before.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@michaelstrong5383👍👍👍👍

[@erubin100]

I can't help but wonder if it was intentional because they REALLY wanted to get people into star wars again, or unintentional in that they just got lazy and recycled similar story beats from the sister franchise.

[@Supersurfer12]

I did like that scene where the Ant-men acted like ants working together. I really wish Wasp didn't jump in to fix everything just by flying and shooting

[@liamphibia]

Also, why call this Movie Ant-Man and the *Wasp* Quantumania when you're not gonna give the second titular main character anything important to do.

[@n.k.d.66]

​@@liamphibia because "female empowerment" She literally does *nothing* in the movie

[@Pottasium92]

You should make a video about why Thanos worked as a menace in comparison with Kang.

[@jamaaljohnson3937]

Well played, sir. The DC double agent cliffhanger thing was a masterfully crafted example of what the studio has done.

[@winsonwieny6720]

A major problem the MCU has nowadays is how they’re trying to turn every line into a meme. Such as the “don’t be a dick” line

[@mmmahh9056]

Marvel films no longer seem to hold on to my interest anymore. Anybody else feel the same?

[@ProtoMarcus]

Myself and many, _many_ of my friends and relatives have ''Marvel Fatigue'' - honestly the past movies didn't help either. It is a perfect moment for DC to reboot their entire universe

[@kevingame3198]

@@ProtoMarcus let’s hope James Gunn do new dceu films justice

[@osprey305]

I’ve only been following for GOTG. After I see Vol. 3 I’ll probably tune out.

[@MariusNinjai]

it's much more fun hating on them than watching them

[@felipesilva3732]

I really dislike the "they are so small they became molecular 🤪" excuse. The fun thing about being ant man is seeing everyday objects from another perspective, like using an entire truck as a skateboard. The quantum realm could easily be a guardians of the galaxy location accessible throw spaceships and NOTHING would change.

[@Soapy-chan]

DID YOU SERIOUSLY claim to give us an insider who sabotaged the movie and then NOT DO IT???? Are you insane? How do you have a viewerbase who supports you?!

[@QuickQuips]

Probably the harshest and fairest critique since Shazam 2.

[@TheJoviLovi]

Shazam 2 literally came out a while ago lmfao

[@Jose-se9pu]

I actually fear 3 months from now we are seeing a Guardians 3 video...and then a Flash video...and then a Blue Beetle video...

[@QuickQuips]

@@Jose-se9pu I expect the Blue Beetle.

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

Seriously? This is like him deep throating marvel. Going out of his way to avoid actually criticizing the real issues of this movie and making up bs to excuse the issues he does talk about. "A spy ruined the movie" yeah, ok... Filmento is such a shill that he can't actually bring himself to actually criticize this terrible crap. Instead he focuses on the strawman of "uuuuuuh hur dur this could be any avenger..." because that's the easy argument that doesn't hurt marvel.

[@bonaparte6431]

@@elyrienvalkyr8167 i thought he made plenty of relevant critiques, clearly you haven't watched his other marvel videos

[@RayMcElroy50]

"Evil cannot create anything new. It can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - JRR Tolkien

[@ProtoMarcus]

The most ironic quote and quote usage ever - it has been repeatedly been used by people unsatisfied with movies/shows, and is its very own testament - people using it cannot create something new (their own critique or comment, they're just using this quote), they're ruining an otherwise excellent quote that good forces have invented or made (Tolkien, originator of the quote)

[@Grasslander]

One must always honor Tolkien, but it's not true; of course evil people can create

[@pilegrin]

​@@Grasslander Yeah, but its not about evil people. Its about evil itself.

[@dewolf123]

​@Grasslander It's like an allegory to cancer, it creates tumors and problems and if not stopped it will spread and destroy everything in the way until it's host dies. That's basically what evil is, a cancer that destroys what has been made already.

[@MrAjking808]

Cringe

[@legofan4409]

It seemed like the uniqueness they were going for was the family aspect, specifically Scott being a father. He wasn't the first (Clint, later Tony and now Thor) but it was something they were actually focusing on in the first movie and it seemed like this was where the focus was going to be here as well. Let's not forget that he's a unique father among the characters; Clint is family man who is/was happily married, same with Tony (who was also rich) and Thor who adopted his daughter. Scott is a man who certain people can relate to, a father who loves him family but isn't perfect. We see how he struggles being a father at the start of this movie and presumably doesn't want to get involved with the Quantum realm conflict due to the fact that his daughter is there with him. Scott is not only a father, he is a father that already lost so much time with his daughter, first being in jail and then being stuck in a different realm when the snap happened. It makes sense for him to be cautious so that he can actually stay alive and spend time with his daughter and be a father to her (though I suppose running off with Cap in Civil War contradicts this haha). As the movie goes on he embraces what he should be doing, i.e. become a mentor to his daughter, teaching her how to fight. We also see that the reason he is able to focus is due to his daughter, once again bringing back that he is father with a primary purpose stronger than any probability; protecting his daughter. At any rate, it kind of falls away a bit with everything else going on but it feels like that was supposed(?) to be his arc in this movie, learning that while he might be afraid of leaving his daughter all alone by dying fighting a villain he shouldn't ignore being a hero and should instead continue to be a role model to her that can also prepare her to be a hero.

[@carwyn3691]

I had no idea Paul Rudd was actually Zack Snyder wearing a mask, in retrospect it makes perfect sense

[@LycanVisuals]

Wish Kang wasn't defeated by ants and its made even worse now that Majors has big legal troubles now...

[@ProtoMarcus]

To be fair, he is *_not_* in ''Big Legal Troubles'' now - sure there is an ongoing controversy but the current investigations are not against him really. Even the alleged ''victim'' said _herself_ that there was no issue and all, but the investigations are still ongoing so we can't really declare anything on Majors yet.

[@peterfrank3365]

I've a pitch for this movie that still sets in the quantum realm and Kang as foe without having it extremely formulaic. Imagine the Langs and the Pyms sucked into the realm by accident in a vessel. But remove the civilization, have it be completely abstract. The conflict on this first half would be fixing the vessel to up-size back to their world. Then they come across another person in his own "broken" vessel, claiming to be a fellow traveller. This is Kang, and he tries to charm the family to steal the McGuffin to make his own vessel to work. Cassie starts out as a Willie Scott-type, an ordinary teenager who has no knowledge and only possess dread on the realm. But when her dad and the Pyms are imperilled, she had to take on the suit somehow leftover and fight through her fears. There would be a caper part in which Kang successfully place the McGuffin in his vessel's engine and Scott sneaks down to it to steal it back. Think less of the 'Star Wars' prequels and 'Rick & Morty', and more of 'The Fantastic Voyage', 'Lost In Space', and 'Journey to the Center of the Earth'. What do you think?

[@rogerkincaid931]

I like this pitch. Cassie gets to stand out in a much more organic way.

[@michaelriverside1139]

You could add a whole tinkerer vs saboteur angle to this idea through Kang against the Pym's perfectionism of their tech, which enables him to assemble the perfect machine to tear down the fabric of reality itself... Then, Scott and Casey finally use their saboteur ideas of thievery and protest to tear the machine down as it tries to destroy alternate timelines... Also, Kang shooting lasers from his hands is visually boring, how about giving him a hand-crafted hand cannon that he continually improves across the movie until it becomes this ridiculous, Marvel vs Capcom-esque Proton Cannon to also illustrate the conflict of tinkering vs saboteur?

[@peterfrank3365]

@TheGlassesPro I imagine the quantum realm being in layers. Each environment would be unique but nonetheless correspond to each other. Each time the Pyms make a progress, they jump from the bottom layer to the upper next one. But that's about it. I don't have enough knowledge on the science to flesh out the worlds and story convincingly.

[@leonardocerqueiradias6168]

@@peterfrank3365 That would perhaps make the movie too different from what Marvel wanted, so maybe it wouldn't have been possible. But the idea is VERY solid. The "layers" idea is particularly good!

[@ikhoonyejelem2967]

@@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455 true, I mean look at inception, if that movie was written by someone else I could have been a covaluted mess

[@optimusprime028]

Kang is one of the few villains who deserved his own movie.

[@DarknessIsThePath]

Too late now, just like with Black Widow and Captain Marvel.

[@killingjoker797]

Man dropped the smoothest ad transition and thought we wouldn't notice💀

[@TheKevin546]

I really believe a big problem of the movie is having Michelle Pfeifer and Michael Douglas in it, everything with Rudd, Lilly and Newton works They should have been the focus of the movie, Douglas and Pfeifer should have stayed on earth trying to find a way to get them back. Also MODOK was a wasted character.

[@damonlam9145]

As Matpat said in his Film Theory video this feels like a hidden movie in this film that was chopped up, shuffle around, re-edited, rearranged, and reshotted for some reason.

[@draconis17]

Hearing you mention how he's a master thief makes me think- how much cooler of a concept would it have been if he had become something like a government employed spy/thief- if he was sent on missions to sneak into enemy bases to steal intel or secret weapons or something

[@nathanm4444]

I totally agree with the AINO thing - Antman In Name Only. Just sad to see that this story is not really about Ant-Man. I'm not a big Marvel fan, but I have watched a couple movies in cinema over the years because my sister really likes them. And we watched Ant-Man at home. Just loved the character and the story of the first one, and the second movie was also fun.

[@hexagonshorts2186]

They should have made Kang win and at least kill Cassie or someone to increase the stakes.

[@jaydenyoung9809]

Petition to rename this channel Filmentor 👇🏽

[@vitorafmonteiro]

Signature.

[@GeoffPesos]

Wow they could have made a night at the museum or gullivers travels type movie. Scott could have been a giant in a quantum world

[@fizzletrie1592]

The ending had more brilliant scriptwriting than the entirety of the movie

[@g4m-3r]

I think could have been better, while using the concept of the Quantum Realm, with the stoy being about the daughter getting caught at the beggining when they travel to the realm and Scott being pushed aside, so the plot is about Scott entering the villains lair and the new surroundings to save his daughter, since the internal plot is about him trying to save as much time as he can with his daughter. Throughout the movie, the big villain is mentioned as someone that is caputred but would is Scott's daughter to free himself. At the end Scott manage to save her, but in the process sets free Kang and as a final sacrifice he stays in the Quantum Realm with Kang so her daughter can warn the Avengers or something. Kang would not be the center of the movie but it would be presented as someone dangerous and basically the big bad of the new phase.

[@Niceone11202011]

According to rumors, there have been different endings to the film. Apparently both Ant-Man and The Wasp was supposed to be stuck at the end with Kang. One ending also rumored that Kang got out and Ant-Man and The Wasp Got stuck in the quantum realm.

[@octaviawinter9768]

I think it was important that she wasn’t a damsel in distress(I hate this term and the way it’s used but bear with me) because her big thing was about how she had a different way of doing things than her father. Throughout the movie he makes choices to protect his daughter even if it means endangering others, but she’s willing to do whatever it takes to save people. His internal conflict was about his priorities. She’s a young hopeful angsty teen who believes in the best outcome and doesn’t settle for anything less. She reminded him of who he was as Ant-Man, protecting the little guy. Not just using the name to get free coffee and hearing his own voice from his book all day. This is one aspect of the movie that I actually found very interesting and memorable.

[@g4m-3r]

@octaviawinter9768 and I agree with it but the way they executed that idea was a very flawed one since she didn't do anything more than put everyone in the quantum realm and conveniently save everyone in the end. I think she shouldn't necessarily be a damsel in distress, as she could be like a B plot of Kang ordering her to get a certain things for his certain plan, and so the reason Scott can't save her in those moments is because as you point out she is rebellious and they are so different, so he only manage to save her at the end when he learns he has to let her go and live her life, sacrificing himself and ending the movie kind of in a cliffhanger

[@Augustus087]

Getting spoken to by a large piece of vegetable was already done in the 60's in the very last episode of Lost in Space. In fact, the episode with the talking Carrot was what caused the series to be cancelled. And rightfully so.

[@liljosh224]

I can see that "thank you, Spider Man" line as something Stan Lee would say if he was still alive 😔

[@escodoozer]

I think its crazy to think we already saw the peak of the MCU... i wonder what peak DC is going to hit if ever

[@Real_Shawn]

There is already Peak DC it's called DCAU

[@justinlizamor1541]

I see what you did there, Filmento. A lesson about vague forshadowing of a reveal about bad things to come. Then, there is no payoff. Well done. A lesson, with an example. Are you a professor somewhere??

[@Phoenix_NH]

You literally proved the point with the DC double agent metaphor. He was vaguely brought up at the beginning then was teased for later. It’s a story about one thing (DC) being involved in the story about something else (Marvel) except instead of constant vagueness throughout it’s sprinkled in for eventual payoff later on down the line instead of diverting attention away from the main point (the cash grab).

[@g.d.graham2446]

Indeed

[@WarriorBoy]

Solid breakdown. As someone who's loved the MCU since it's started, it's good to see critical thinking that isn't just "Marvel bad now". I did like the multiple-Scotts scene as well as some of the moments with Kang. Quantumania had potential, it just needed to be developed more. It truly feels like a better version of it existed before it was focus-grouped into its current state.

[@niceandflyy]

The movie reminded me of shark boy and lava girl 😆

[@liamphibia]

The biggest sin we can all agree Quantumania failed at: They kicked Luis out despite being the best part of the Ant-Man films!😠

[@upside_you_mop]

WAIT WHAT I DIDNT WATCH BUT NOW IM DEFINITELY NOT

[@lkf8799]

Yes!!!!

[@g.d.graham2446]

Definitely

[@octaviawinter9768]

But they didn’t? He’s in the movie and he’s just as Luis as he always was

[@octaviawinter9768]

@@upside_you_mop he’s in it and he’s still very Luis. I’m not sure what this comment is talking about.

[@supervideomaker9136]

Honestly, at least with this movie, I feel like there was potential with it. When I saw doctor strange 2, I literally had no idea how they could have made that movie good. Here, there is some good stuff. Having Casey and Scoot disagree to help the people due to different views, Scott originally helping Kang and then getting betrayed, and maybe even have scott sacrificing himself to stay in the quantum realm. I feel like all this stuff could have elevated the movie instead of having what we had

[@PeytonPearson]

"having casey and scott disagree" out of character, Scott doesn't like Casey getting arrested but he isn't conservative lol "originally helping Kang" LITERALLY what happened? Did you watch the movie? "have scott sacrificing himself to stay in the quantum realm" that's what Janet does at the end of the last one, i'm not even tryna defend the movie these are just TERRIBLE points lmao

[@supervideomaker9136]

@@PeytonPearson I am not saying Scott is a conservative, However Casey's whole character was wanting to do more for blip victims. She obviosuly thinks Scott should be doing more which is a conflict that easily can be expanded on. Like in the quantum realm, Scott can not want to help those citzens and just want to get home while Casey does. Expanding on this divide and giving Ant-man some kind of growth. What I meant by originally helping Kang was doing it out of his own free will instead of Casey being captured. Sorry, I should have worded that better. The trailers made it seem like this was going to happen. Mentioning how he can give Scott more time. I think it would have been way more interesting him Scott originally decided to help Kang due to him allowing him to have more time with young Casey(and see her grow up) and then he gets betrayed. You can also add the Casey and Scott conflict here, with Scott wanting to help Kang but Casey saying it's a bad idea. Plus then the line We had a deal makes way more sense. Yeah, Sacrificing is over done trope but honestly, the movie teased Scott and Hope sacrificing themselves already, they should have comitted. Because now Kang just looks like a weak villain. The fact they defeated him with no consequences is so boring, especially for a character who is supposed to be the next big bad guy.

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

Her name is Cassie, not Casey.

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

The small bit reminds me of that one Spongebob episode where Spongebob fixed the whole "everyone in the city has been shrunk" by just shrinking the city, which they admit fixies the problem

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

I thought the movie should have been; *the ant family have an idea to solve housing problems using pym particles, but hank is running low on them. * Hank works out that the quantum world could hold the key to infinite pym particles. They enter the quantum realm and the story happens. *Hank and Janet are still in the real world solving some problem. *Toward the end of the movie, Hank dons his OG antman suit (that we saw in Endgame) to save his daughter from Kang and get her out, but Pym dies in the process. Ant(ifa) girl learns what it means to be an actual hero. *The heroes emerge wounded but successful

[@docsays]

- this would make more sense!

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

@@docsays I think so! It'd make Lang an active protagonist. Maybe Lang goes in by himself but something goes wrong (Kang sabotaged his exit) *Kang poses as a friend to Lang. Hope says she's going in to help Scott, Janet is traumatised by the quantum realm but she psyches herself up to join her daughter (like ridley from alien 2) because she wont lose her daugher again. * Hank stays in the real world with Cassie. She calls him out for quitting the hero game in the 80s and he shares fantastic stories, sage advice and maybe some ant mind control training. * Then when Janet and Hope meet Scott, Janet realises Kang's with him and the truth is revealed! * A fight ensues. * Hank realises his families in dangers so he dons his costume, gathers some ants and heads down there. He and Scott team up. As theyre escaping Hope tries to complete the original mission of collecting the quantum pym particle stuff and Hank dies to protect her or something. * Hank starts the story being called out (not scott) for quitting the hero business in the 80s and hiding away. He ends the film ensuring the pym particles will be used for the betterment of mankind and saving his daughter and wife. It ends with Cassie asking Hope and Scott to train her or something. MODOK is also a legit threat, too. Every time he's on screen, the heroes barely make it out alive and someone close to the ant family dies (like the resistance leader or something).

[@grfrjiglstan]

I am suddenly hyper-invested in this video because you teased the identity of that mystery writer. I will now purchase and watch all Filmento-adjacent material in the hopes that there will be at least a tiny easter egg referencing that writer once again, and vociferously defend you on message boards.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

I get that Modok is SUPPOSED to look weird by inherent design as characters IN UNIVERSE make fun of how he looks as a "very big head", but they should have made him look WAY scarier and grotesque and make him one for one like Modok looks in the comics with OPEN wide white eyes and a ghoulish big horrifying mouth and make him speak like Igor from Frankenstein or Dr.N Gin from Crash. They REALLY should have made Modok look like a monstrous horrifying scary killing machine creature on purpose for audiences to take him VERY seriously as to being the most scary scenes in the film WHILE still keeping his high intelligence as a super computer calculating brain. Would have been a MUCH better direction for the character as adapting Modok is tricky but I do believe making him scary and horrific is the best choice when you brin him into live-action.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@TheGlassesPro It's not really "s*itty CGI" at all, it's just bad art direction for the character as it's just a normal guy's face but enhanced. Modok should look much more frightening than that entirely so just so people can take more seriously as a nightmare horror villain that's grotesque from the presence that he gives off.

[@wizardgaming6759]

@TheGlassesPro as someone with hydrocephalus (I actually have a normal sized head luckily), I don’t think severe would look that bad.

[@marquesmburu8543]

they should have used the avengers earth mightiest heroes storyline

[@triple_tubers3314]

To be honest, I was planning to watch the whole video anyway with or without the "dc double agent" snippet but dang I FEEL BETRAYED. But also I realize that the movie betrayed people too with their expectations so I see what you did there FIlemento, I see what you did there. Also, can I just say that you pretty much pinpointed the problems the movie had that I couldn't even figure out myself until you pointed them out. This definitely makes so much sense and is honestly the reason why I subscribed to you

[@k.b.9270]

Filmento: Simply by using that topic I got you watching this far, so ... meh, maybe I talk about it more in some other video later on. If ever. Me: Serious question: What does "take pride in your work" mean to you?

[@leonarddillon256]

To make Quantumania more pointless is Jonathan Majors being replaced as Kang. All that build up to make a sympathetic villian was definitely good planning on Feige 🙄

[@OnlyAtJaMart]

Jeff Loveness, the “writer” of Quantumania, has never written a movie before this, and it shows. He’s also the 3rd former Rick and Morty writer that has worked on a bad Marvel IP.

[@Malva597]

This could have been a great movie about Scott feeling purposeless, reduced to just some guy who is Ant-Man. Shame..

[@vanjansampath5753]

I think the ant family aspect should have been explored. Like you said the poster characters not being a highlight at all is a bad thing. I mean janet goes on and on about how they don't know this guy and wont tell them about kang until the end, cassey is just a liability for scott to be there, hope and hank are just present not doing anything at all. None of them does anything meaningful at all.

[@astarr3867]

Small contained stories can be big too. Marvel had the perfect character to play on those words and create timeless story....but they didn't

[@lazulenoc6863]

I would skip your ads but you transition into them so well and smoothly.