KANSAS CITY MASSACRE: Was PRETTY BOY FLOYD There?

On June 17, 1933, four police officers were killed in the parking lot of the Kansas City Union Station, along with the prisoner they were escorting to Leavenworth prison. The FBI immediately lay blame at the feet of Charles “Pretty Boy Floyd,” though he immediately denied involvement. To this day he is still associated with the massacre and the plaque memorializing the officers still lists him as an assailant. But was he really? This video follows the last walk of Frank Nash and his guards from the train to the parking lot, then recounts what happened in the 30 seconds when bullets were flying. I also discuss the work of Robert Unger who combed through every FBI document he could get his hands on. After you’ve watched let me know what you think in the comments. Did he do it?
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[@stevevaughn2040]

I knew Charles Floyd Jr. He was a lifelong friend of my uncle and frequent visitor. Mr Floyd shared with us his stories and artifacts from his dad. Pretty Boy Floyd was very liked by locals and from what my grandfather is said was a nice guy. My uncle remembered the wife, Charles' mom, but did see the dad. House was off limits when the dad was home. Charles Jr was a good man, he is gone but his kids and grandkids are in SF bay area last I checked.

[@MMorbid]

A new Floyd video will be uploaded this week, and in the near future I will be filming the home Floyd Jr. lived with his father in Fort Smith, Arkansas for about six months. Stay tuned!

[@terryroots5023]

I find your reasoned scepticism on the FBI version of events very persuasive. Great presentation.

[@charlesnye1736]

Great episode MM thanks for doing it. Excellent research and I learned a lot. I agree with your conclusion. Please keep up your work.

[@christopherfowler9777]

What really intrigues me about Pretty Boy Floyd was the period between the Kansas City massacre and his death in Ohio. Nobody seems to know what he was doing in Buffalo New York and how he afforded it. His robberies were small, under $3,500 and in the vein of Bonnie and Clyde. Miniscule amounts next to Dillinger. And he usually split those with one or two other people. And he gave a lot away. There is no way he could have afforded 13 months in Buffalo. Was he working as an enforcer for the Buffalo crime family? Were the Baird sisters working? He most certainly could not have afforded the protection racket.

[@K3inKansas]

I myself wondered how Pretty Boy Floyd could afford to stay in Buffalo for almost a year. Let alone not be caught because hoover and Pervis were certainly wanting to find him.

[@Sir_Real_One]

I would tend to agree with you! However a little bit on ballistics. double O or oo buckshot is lead and almost 32 caliber and triple O or OOO buckshot is roughly 38 caliber! Typically Buckshot is the lead. 16 gauge is actually a smaller bore than that of 12 gauge. So if you are saying ball bearings I presume that you mean steel shot. Steel shot is rough on shotgun barrels and even though it's the smaller bore 16 gauge the choke in the shotgun would have had to have been removed otherwise known as "full open" This is also before plastic wadding in shotshells the wad would have been cardboard or felt. As for the Hoover years of the FBI, I would be inclined to believe that J Edgar Hoover created narratives in order to get more funding from the Government. I am reasonably sure that Pretty Boy Floyd was not present at the shooting but he may have advised or assisted in the planning of. However, that is indeed just speculation. Considering that the early FBI were not well-trained lawmen but more likely to be accountants of some type, Yes a jumpy agent could have shot his own guys by mistake.

[@cliftongarmrath1244]

Frank Nash is buried in the Linwood Cemetery mausoleum in my home town of Paragould, Arkansas. Thanks for a great episode

[@MMorbid]

Thank you!!! I didn’t know that. My Aunt and Uncle live there. I’m in Paragould every Thanksgiving.

[@cliftongarmrath1244]

@@MMorbid awesome lives there all my life. Been watching a few of your video and really have enjoyed them. The Kansas City Massacre caught my eye because of knowing about Frank Nash.

[@tedthompson7770]

I met Charles Floyd Jr. in 1985 , He stayed at the hotel I was working at. We talked about his dad. He was very opened about him.

[@livelurked4103]

The shotgun modification is known as "slamfire" and seems a plausible theory.

[@Baffled-f9d]

I was about to ask you if you had anything on Pretty Boy Floyd. I remember seeing documentaries on him in the early years of the 2000s that would last all day. Thank you.

[@MMorbid]

More to come on Floyd!

[@asherhouseman6838]

You make the best history videos! People looking at your videos finally understand what actually happened.

[@smokinjo3]

If you stand in front of the pillar on right at 18:04 and look about 7 feet up, you can see 3 bullet impacts. Not holes but impact marks. Those are what people come to see. 😂

[@sherrymia4719]

Hoover was so crooked 😮but he had so much dirt on everyone they couldn't get rid 9f him😮why he had Files on everyone, he had his secrets too was gay back in those days you'd be arrested

[@WillBlindYouWithLight]

Because he was bff with j Edgar Hoover. He wanted to be in with the FBI. He was like a school girl for the FBI.

[@jodydarby]

Pretty Boy was my 1st cousin 3x removed!

[@phyllisraber7555]

Some how he is related to my family too. My Mom remembers Her dad, my Grandpa coming in & saying they got Floyd last night. Now she was pretty young, but my aunt said he was a cousin, somewhere on our family tree? My only claim to fame 🙃

[@jodydarby]

@@phyllisraber7555 that’s awesome. How unfortunate that neither you nor I took time to write this stuff down when we were hearing it from our ancestors.

[@ronroberts7297]

I enjoy your stories. Being from mid Mo, I like your content . Keep at it.

[@MMorbid]

Thank you so much!

[@MMorbid]

I’m glad you enjoy it. Thank you!

[@salinagrrrl69]

Sorry to report that yards away & 91 some years later was the 2024 Super Bowl Parade shooting. It took the life of one Ms Lopez a DJ at KKFI-FM radio. RIP.

[@MMorbid]

I know, I was horrified by that event and even more so that I had filmed there about a massacre. That the same thing would happen twice in the same place is unbelievable to me.

[@salinagrrrl69]

@@MMorbid Yes I know. OBTW U are young. Prepare for a time of crazy kaos. Some films you should see are... "Gone With The Wind." "Empire Of The Sun." "The Killing Fields".

[@jameskerns3520]

How did the bad guys know the police were going to exit the train early then drive the prisoner in a car to Leavenworth.

[@Joe-rv6jr]

They didnt ...they were expecting to intercept Nash / Police during the 1 hr delay between trains and had to adapt their plans when the Police / Nash exited the station

[@lindaloe]

👶 BABY 👼 FACE. NELSO N NOW THERE WAS. A COLD BLOODED KILLER !!

[@gregwatson8219]

Baby Face Pretty Boy. 2 gay dudes

[@750suzuki]

@@gregwatson8219 Floyd got his nickname from the madam of a cathouse in KC. Chock wasn't gay. He just stood out amidst a bunch of guys whose faces looked they had lost a fight with a grinding wheel.

[@kevincharles1983]

There can be different ways the glass fell on the hood. Shots could have gone through the back and out the front. Also all the glass wouldn't fly into the car from a shot from the front. Majority of glass will fall straight down

[@davidschaadt3460]

Great episodes,Madame. Especially with the original locations. I've heard of the theory of the accidental discharge of the Officers shotgun and it sounds plausible.

[@MMorbid]

Especially with the glass laying on the hood. There’s no other way to explain that. Forensics doesn’t lie. People do though, and who wants to admit they accidentally killed the prisoner! Thanks for watching.

[@CptKirk-yt2qx]

I have been told my grandfather was there on that day, and not as one of the good guys.

[@MMorbid]

@@CptKirk-yt2qx interesting, I don’t think who was there has actually been identified. If they had really wanted to solve the case they should have started by looking at known associates of Frank Nash. From what I can tell they didn’t do that. Who knows, he might’ve been there. No way to know now.

[@CptKirk-yt2qx]

@@MMorbid He was the person that didn't get caught in Floyd's gang, he was the getaway driver during some of his antics. This info came to me by some relatives who knew him better than me; as a child I was not allowed to have direct contact with him so most of my memories were of watching him talk to my father outside while drinking a beer while I had to stay in the house.

[@custerjohn]

Brilliant, you’re best yet. Keep them coming! 👍

[@MMorbid]

Thank you!

[@northerngamer207]

I love history I left you a like keep making cool videos thank you for doing your research

[@MMorbid]

Thank you!

[@cmyFUfinger]

I have always been infatuated by Floyd even as a child for some reason

[@gregwatson8219]

Hollywood not interested

[@JohnWorley-r9g]

I live in Hot Springs Arkansas and my wife works in the building where Nash was arrested

[@MMorbid]

@@JohnWorley-r9g what building is that?

[@Coachiggs]

Breakout??? sounds more like a hit to me.

[@michaelhurley3171]

They couldn't have found a nicer place for a massacre!!!

[@MMorbid]

That is so true, the station is stunning and the outside is basically frozen in time. It was almost eerie how easy it was to combine the historic photos with my footage. Thanks for watching!

[@BlueberryStinkFinger62]

I'm a descendent of Adam Richetti my name is Angelo J Richetti some information are not correct

[@MMorbid]

Such as? Comment doesn’t mean anything if you don’t specify.

[@javiermori1710]

How bout a story on St Valentine day massacre? That would be great. Just a suggestion. Great video.

[@williampaylor4672]

I have a copy of Unger’s book Do you want it

[@MMorbid]

Another fan sent me a copy so I have it now but thank you so much for the offer! I really appreciate it.

[@Paul-qo1hb]

Cool name.

[@davem8836]

I don't know if anyone has said this but it's just as plausible that the mob had Nash "rubbed out" as he knew a lot of things. Not necessarily a rescue.

[@phillipblunk]

Do better

[@marthacooper6740]

Great episode. I enjoy your history stories. Thanks so much.

[@darrenfry4695]

Always very interesting, thanks for sharing

[@Itsnotapet]

I live close to where lots of the greats came for vacation. I also have pics of Dillinger rebury..ive traveled all over and got pics of everyone from Ed Vein to H H Holmes murder castle site.. I enjoy your channel

[@MMorbid]

Thank you!

[@HumanResource-sp6fg]

Love your work.... great info !!!!

[@nigelasmr2391]

Very good well done

[@MMorbid]

Thank you!

[@coolmccool]

They meant to keep Nash quiet!

[@jackhopkins4679]

Michael Wallis traced the time frame and came to the conclusion Floyd was not there

[@MMorbid]

I really want to read his book. Fun fact, he is the voice of the sheriff in the movie Cars.

[@thehovaczech]

Good stuff!

[@MMorbid]

Thank you!

[@jameslohman271]

I am a fan, I've read the book you talked about. Keep it up.

[@MMorbid]

Thanks, will do!

[@joehaas2190]

Good stuff!

[@MMorbid]

I liked this episode, it was a great location.

[@addicted2baseballrgd21]

Great job of lining up pictures

[@MMorbid]

Thank you! I love locations where that is possible to do, and sadly it’s pretty rare. The other video I was also able to line up pictures was the video about the Hyatt Regency collapse. That hotel was walking distance from here and I think I filmed them the same day, which when you think about it that’s kind of weird. Thank you for watching!

[@gregwatson8219]

Mob hit