Kanye West and the Restoration of Sacred Art | Chicago Talk

[@adriana_4282]

I could listen for hours. When I have free time and scroll endlessly through the netflix catalog, this is what I look for and never find. Something that makes sense of the apparent chaos. A deep insight.

[@hunts7626]

Adriana Montemayor so well said. Thank you for articulating that

[@timobatana6705]

Yes. I find myself learning and studying this kind of discussion and watching many lecture videos, behavioral biology. Just wanting to learn rather them be entertained. I find a great richness in learning now.

[@kilmatik4192]

it’s wild how Netflix can be so vast yet so empty. I want to watch Netflix... I open it up and scroll and peruse and my overall sense is emptiness. I leave it and return to pods, YT, and periscope.

[@LeSkeetSizzLe]

KILMATIK what is periscope and what’s on it?

[@SonAndHeir16]

What you find on Netflix are stories that make living use of these archetypes, rather than pick them apart. But, yeah.

[@michaelpisciarino5348]

0:32 Joshua Caswell's Introduction 2:52 _Symbolism and Christian Art, Past, Present and Future_ 5:08 Jesus Is King, by Kanye West 8:00 In our modern time, we are flooded with entertainment, but we want action, we want to participate rather than just passively absorb. "This is a mission" 11:28 Problem: Ugliness 13:40 Art means "Well-fitted together" 15:20 Why JP carves Icons 23:42 The Symbolism is the connecting of the individual and the community and God

[@JesusismyGOD]

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[@user-ej2xz3lx2e]

Thanks!!

[@earth_0016]

"Worship is the highest form of participation"

[@JesusismyGOD]

And the Object of that worship?

[@hunts7626]

Jesus is my GOD

[@EdwardsComment]

@@JesusismyGOD the Lord alone.

[@henkkempers6651]

Excellent Tallk thank you

[@verityclaire5774]

I love Jonathan, he has a cute laugh and a child like quality that fills me with warm affection.

[@maelstrom2313]

I've been sparsely following this channel for some time and had no idea you were an artist. A real artist, too, not one of the post-modernist scammers. Sublime work. I hope more artists come across your ideas and take inspiration. Halfway through and I feel compelled to create something that aspires to the sacred. Thanks for sharing this brilliant talk!

[@mywalterego9248]

BRILLIANT TALK! I've been saying for at least 5 years that MARVEL and DISNEY have become so powerful and popular because they are participatory mythologies that modernity has discarded in religion and Holiday.

[@ThatWhatIs393]

I agree. What a tragedy that especially Disney has succumbed to the religion of wokeness nowadays though

[@kokotepeyac]

This is probably THE BEST talk by Jonathan Pageau that sums up his approach. sharing with friends.

[@TheMeaningCode]

22:38, “in our soul, the divine Logos will manifest Himself around us, we will be a vehicle for His manifestation.” We will be a display case for His glory.

[@mondopinion3777]

When everything flips upside down, the contents of the collective unconscious emerge. There is rage, and denial, and scapegoating. Its emergence comes in waves, like weather. There is Christ awakening. Kanye is leading us through it, and I am in awe of his courage. And Trump, with all his crudeness and his incredible lion energy, is a catalyst revealing the dark evil at the root of power. Thank you. Jonathan Pageau, for reminding us that sacred art is nourishment and compass in these times of chaos.

[@yolanda2014]

Or it could be that celebrity is the new religion.

[@hunts7626]

Yolanda Simone that’s what is flipping, no? We’ve worshiped celebrities for too long

[@mondopinion3777]

@@hunts7626 -- excellent point.

[@WokeInTruth]

This is all literally the agenda ushering in the antichrist. The Word of God tells us we will know them by their fruits, and not everyone who proclaims His Name is of God. This is what “deception” is. The last days will be full of deception.

[@cadusteigleder9648]

Great talk! Very informative and inspirational. Regards from Brazil.

[@MarceloTezza]

Bom de ver Brasileiros por aqui, sinal de que temos conservadores que estao realmente acordando pra verdade

[@Moneyman-33]

Anyone remember that video from A man who zoomed on Kanye’s phone and was able to see the URL on his phone was a video from Jordan Peterson about art. Who’d have thunk Jordan Peterson would be viewed by Kanye.

[@mondopinion3777]

Cool. Jordan Peterson definitely belongs here. I think there is a video of Peterson talking with Jonathan Pageau,

[@maelstrom2313]

It may not be too much of a stretch to suggest that Peterson played a major role, if not the pivotal role, in Kanye's transition, as he has done for many millions of people.

[@johnleepettimoreiii65]

@Deckard so? doesn't effect anything. His wisdom is still wisdom and his genius is still relevant. Some of the greatest minds in history were under various forms of drugs. Decktard

[@manfredarcane9130]

So was Crowley. Your point?

[@johnleepettimoreiii65]

@@manfredarcane9130 Yes and Crowley was not an ignorant man. Your point? A lot of people use substances it does not define you, what you DO defines you. A lot of homeless people use drugs too and some of them are criminal, stupid, dregs of society. Other people use drugs and are brilliant.

[@puffinpal]

I cant wait to buy and read your comic!!!

[@puffinpal]

@@playerone2772 yeah, at 50:33 It's gonna be called God's Dog

[@nortons7040]

@@puffinpal Reminded of "Domini canes" - God's dogs, i.e. Dominican Order .

[@sbeast64]

Now there's a video title I never thought I would see.

[@stephenpaccone8120]

Elizabeth Hammer how is he doing the same thing?

[@goldensilenceakagoldielove133]

@@stephenpaccone8120 : Isn't it apparent? Click bait. Kanye is a hot topic ...trending many places. The Vid title is TOTAL click bait ... an attempt to capitalize off Kanye's continual success. Further...to politely refer to Kanye as "the fool"??? IDK...he seems pretty brilliant to many --- often obnoxious, but still pretty brilliant as it relates to Pop culture.

[@stephenpaccone8120]

Golden Silence, aka Goldie Love he’s brilliant as it pertains to Christian symbolism, the title was accurate. Christianity is not pop culture . This guy is a legend

[@goldensilenceakagoldielove133]

@@stephenpaccone8120 : Kanye is merging Christianity with Pop culture. I wonder if fans can petition to have West & the Collective for the 2020-SuperBowl Halftime Praise (not a Show, says Yeezy). THAT would be an awesome blending of Christianity with Pop culture, yes? 😊

[@stephenpaccone8120]

Golden Silence, aka Goldie Love That would be interesting, I wonder if the majority of nfl owners being Jewish would get in the way of that .

[@MarceloTezza]

Great, hard to find people who can understand the simbology a little bit deeper.

[@maelstrom2313]

*symbology ;D and yes, I agree

[@mondopinion3777]

Your comment about Tolkien is SO right. He portrayed three aspects of Christ in Frodo, in Gandalf, and in Aragorn. Each underwent self-sacrificing death, and resurrection. The movie is even better than the book, and I think God deeply graced its making.. Great art can turn the tide of human events.

[@echo-tear]

The symbolism of the Kanye gospel show is, 'The All Seeing Eye'. Look at 6:45. Kanye is both the 'pupil' of 'The Way' and the center of 'The Eye'. The rest of the people at the show now form the body. He is the center of all. Which means Kanye believes (and is symbolically telling us) he is The ...... ...... Jonathan, how come you walked straight pass this point?

[@bright-noise]

He’s not saying look to Kanye for guidance or that his intentions are completely pure, he’s pointing out that Kanye is embodying the cultural fatigue of our increasingly decadent entertainment society and being a part of its inevitable turnaround. Kanye was the poster boy for crass and decadent consumerism and his rejection of it is a symbol of the times.

[@echo-tear]

@@bright-noise I understand, but for a 'decoder' on a lecture about this performance, it's seriously a miss not to state the other game going on. Jonathan is either not as astute as he thinks, or he walked passed it with his eyes open. You decide.

[@mongoosemojo8041]

Sacred space dwells in the imagination, the dianoia or deep thoughts of our hearts. Our imaginations have been captured through media and have been desecrated where the Holy Spirit will not dwell. Our hearts need the cleansing power of Jesus of Nazareth's shed blood on the cross and resurrection. I pray we as the church are up for the task to challenge the culture with the gospel message.

[@tomspellings6738]

Your passion about the topics in this speech are going to inspire me for a long time

[@ryan_neris]

One of your best talks yet!

[@Yakovlievich]

And now The School of the Art Institute Chicago revoked Kanye’s honourary degree.

[@EamonBurke]

You can hear Kanye's disillusionment with his audience worshipping him on his singly-released track "Lift Yourself", which became a short lived meme in 2018. Shades of Isaiah 28. Check it out.

[@leedufour]

Thanks Jonathan.

[@Purpleflower7777]

I was wondering about the circle myself his singers had on white he had black and white and he was in the middle of them and they all doing the same dance that I’m sure they rehearse. non of it look right to me. But to each it’s own I’m not falling for it at all and I don’t care who say I’m being judgmental

[@jjmarcos]

You're not wrong. Him and the kardashians are selling jesus socks now. This whole thing is a shame for thirsty Christians who need to be validated by the beast

[@watermelonlalala]

Never heard Mary was the Ark, but - "At that time, the Savior coming from the Virgin, the Ark, brought forth His own Body into the world from that Ark, which was gilded with pure gold within by the Word, and without by the Holy Ghost"- St. Hippolytus (c. 170 - c. 236) "The ark is verily the holy Virgin, gilded within and without, who received the treasure of universal sanctification". - St. Gregory Thaumaturgus (c. 213 - c. 270)

[@thehennspace]

Nice references

[@marklefebvre5758]

I found this idea that the split in society is delineated (both in time and story) by the ancient Greek vs. the classic religions. This would place the science vs. religion battle further back than I had previously heard articulated. Any sources for this?

[@BrethrenOfUlster]

The split does go further back, but it’s not science vs religion or pagan classics vs Christian classics, ultimately. Those paper battles are symptoms of the deeper split: between ways of thinking and living that pridefully put man, nature, gods in the image of nature and men, etc. - created things - first, and those ways of living and thinking that humbly put the Creator first. The lines of that battle cut across those of the false battles of pagan v Christian classics, religion vs science, etc, just as the line between good and evil cuts across every human heart. There is a source for that ultimate split: Satan’s fall. Christ hit the nail on the head in Luke 10:18 and John 8:44; Milton captured something of the poetry of it in Book 1 of “Paradise Lost.”

[@marklefebvre5758]

@@BrethrenOfUlster I see your point, I'm not sure that it is all the same thing, but God Vs. Man is certainly there and perhaps it is more accurate to state that science is the latest manifestation. Thanks.

[@art4truth]

I'm very interested in your comic idea. I've thought about the idea having entertaining fantasy/sci fi stories that relate to Christianity and with Christian protagonists, but I haven't made anything that does yet. Seeing how these protagonist or even an explicitly Christian society would interact with fantastical creatures, or a futuristic world is a very compelling idea to me. This is difficult to conceive of in the modern world, but would be awesome if done right. I probably need more practice writing stories as I'm more proficient in creating visual art at this moment. Please tell us in an obvious way that we can't easily miss when (and if) the comic comes out. I don't know if you plan on having black and white comic panels like in the video, or if those are uncolored because they're yet unfinished. I'd vastly prefer color.

[@BrethrenOfUlster]

Your ideas remind me of Chris Walley’s “Lamb Among the Stars” trilogy of novels: it’s the year 13000 AD, man has spread across the galaxy to bring glory to God, and evil is coming back into the world. Those stories could give you some ideas and inspiration.

[@VACatholic]

Jonathan, can you do an interview with Fr. John Behr? I think that would be fantastic. I hope this finds you.

[@systemrevolt7309]

Praying for Kanye.

[@nickpetitto2105]

incredible presentation on symbolism and the sacred art. I am a musician myself but I am only making gospel music, we need to bring back the sacred arts our world is ugly (N America) it really is ugly

[@Isaxus12]

Can you do a "symbolism of No Nut November" (NNN) video? It's an annual internet "meme" challenge where men are basically supposed to abstain from masturbation for the month. It's quite relevant right now, so it'd be good timing.

[@PraetorClaudius]

Good stuff 👍🏻

[@SamuelComptonLeslie]

all gamers need to abstain from that sin, not just for a month, but I think we should encourage outsider gamers who feel compelled to fast from it for a month. Pretty dope meme

[@mostlydead3261]

In tantra, there is such a concept as spirit wife with whom practitioner unites.

[@s.larson5632]

Day 7, brothers

[@hunts7626]

S. Larson cmon

[@EamonBurke]

1:00:00 the laughter at the use of the word 'Whore' was responded to by you with good disciplined reflex: to find provenance in scripture. That's one of the best ways of assurance the transition we feel from danger to safety is due to the subversion of worldly standards, not Divine standards.

[@IndyDefense]

Few people in popular music have ever had the clout to do religious music. The only ones that come to mind are George Harrison (Hinduism), Bob Dylan (Christianity) and Cat Stevens (Islam).

[@stephenpaccone8120]

Elizabeth Hammer prince did religious stuff?

[@goldensilenceakagoldielove133]

@Elizabeth Hammer ??? 😄😄😄 Prince was A LOT of things, but a Gospel music Influencer? No. 😄 Sorry. Nice try. Prince never spoke of Jesus in his music, so, no, he did not influence that part of the Industry, although he DID use some of the influences in his own music. I believe he loved God, but he DID NOT influence Gospel music in the least. Conversely, Kanye may revolutionize Gospel music...his Services are already affecting church Music Ministries. You may not like him, but the truth remains...his current influence is astounding, and beautiful in the hearts and minds of many.

[@hupernikomen2015]

All of them sold their souls. Anyone can put out a "gospel" album and even claim the name Jesus. But even the demons believe and tremble. There is an agenda behind this whole dumbing down Christianity to push the one world religion. Wake up ppl!

[@goldensilenceakagoldielove133]

@@hupernikomen2015 That's one perspectuve, and it's quite interesting, but also may not be the gospel truth 😉.

[@debraperkins4448]

@@hupernikomen2015 Hit it Smack dab, Between the EYES!!

[@MrCRACKINSKULLZ]

I think an analysis of streaming video services would be good, connect it... I also think it would be good to look at Johnny Cash as a likewise character in his culture in his time.

[@dongkhamet1351]

'Anyone notice the potential symbolism of Kanye's artists + audience configuration? - which looks more than a little like a big [all-seeing?] eye...

[@brendanjackson1338]

One of the most revelatory vids I've seen for a long time. Bless you Jonathan. Thanks for everything you do.

[@mondopinion3777]

I began to understand participation when I read a wonderful book by Morris Berman THE REENCHANTMENT OF THE WORLD. Also, if you want to go deeper, see Owen Barfield's writings on participation. Barfield, a businessman, was one of the three founders of the Inklings, a thought-group somewhat like Jordan Peterson's thought-group, the other two being Tolkien and C.S. Lewis.

[@artandculture5262]

mondopinion Thank you for posting your appreciated resources.

[@nepsis33]

Excellent talk. Been following you for over a year now!!

[@cabal4171]

I loved this talk, especially that bit at 15:10 really shines a light on how to view my work

[@Yakovlievich]

Well this has not aged well.

[@vsear5911]

Where do I sneak into to find JP's church photo collection?

[@kilmatik4192]

as far as this and rap, I would very much recommend to study Lil B (2010-present)

[@kilmatik4192]

Player One how do you mean?

[@TedBruckner]

Our electronic entertainment is not just "bread and circus." It's techno voodoo and electronic witchcraft.

[@chrisc7265]

fascinating that Jonathan digs Anselm Kiefer --- Kiefer is one of the few modern artists Roger Scruton admits is not horrible Jonathan and Sir Roger are both hybrids: religious conservatives, but also artists (to be an artist one must be small 'p' progressive. An artist who only looks backwards is better described as a reproductionist). I wonder if the attraction to Kiefer has something to do with how he knowingly participates in the decay of our society and culture --- knowingly, yet without glee, without celebration. He shows decadence and decay for what they are: the sacrifice of the beautiful. The sacrifice must proceed, but it can be carried out either with smug self-superiority, or with melancholy and reverence towards the sacrificed. The former is the default position of our time. I see the latter in Kiefer, and perhaps that's what gives him appeal among those who carry a sensitivity to that which is lost.

[@daNihilism]

Thank you for being confident and sharing these ideas publicly. I was watching this on this Church's KZbin when this uploaded. "Jonny V" had a Dialogos the other day with three others. Since we all know you will be participating in one of those, please bring up the way rituals always show the patterns of consciousness. Especially the pop culture that you have grown aware of.

[@averagebear3284]

J. Pageau aka Daddy Symbology: The Handbag Church is ugly. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[@matters5]

Are these videos available as a podcast?

[@jenniferlatch5186]

Would you consider Gaudi's cathedral, La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, to be the meaningful art that uses the correct historical symbolism with a modern style?

[@off6848]

It was never completed and also based on nature’s forms which means it probably the holiest temple ever erected Remember God told Moses to make him an altar and if it be from stone be it not of dressed/worked stone

[@athieshgaming2659]

Mr. Pageau, I know this is only tangentially related but this video reminded me of something in a previous video and that kicked off my thoughts. Are MMO guilds an unknowing attempt to recreate this participatory community? It's a communal organization with a shared philosophy operating in a classical flat world of challenge and struggle that meets regularly to all participate in a shared experience. You all have your role in the service and throughout the week you work to improve and present the best version of yourself on that day. Am I onto something or seeing patterns where none exist?

[@AugustusBohn0]

I think you're onto something, and I think the guilds may be more aware of it than you expect. Tackling a challenge with like-minded people is intrinsically enjoyable as long as the group is stable

[@frozennostril]

Can't wait to get the comic! Great talk..

[@mos619]

54:45 reminds me of the work of Donald Hoffman...The Case Against Reality

[@brentanoschool]

icon - greek spiritual skyping

[@StonyLaRoux311]

I like your videos. You cover things I get weird looks for.

[@hunts7626]

This comic looks fantastic

[@MoiLiberty]

Jonathan Pageau, every page worth of writing you speak is Au, gold, truth, reality. I now really see the Bible as the most technically scientific book ever written. It has all the patterns of reality. The Bible has a consciousness of it's own that we tap into. In other words, no one gets to the father except thru Christ. The Iconography really brings Christ into being in a more ancient way than writing given that writing is much newer invention than symbology, and therefore more profound.

[@pjechiverri]

Amazing talk!

[@germancarranza236]

I am drowning in bread and circus and I don't know how to stop. Maybe cold turkey...

[@jordanstafford5110]

have a listen to ye. It’s a really honest and good message for someone struggling with coming to terms with themselves for better and worse

[@newkingjames1757]

Are there icons of Revelation?

[@BrethrenOfUlster]

Yes. Look up “The Last Judgment.”

[@nickpetitto2105]

watching this on Lsd. huge.

[@CHRISTOS369]

Nick Petitto hell yea

[@Polycarp1992]

As a former psychonaut, I hope you are no longer using LSD. It has its benefits, but it's ultimately a path to spiritual destruction. It took many years of frequent dosage to realize that, and even when I did, it was still hard to give it up. But trust me brother, you'll be better off when you leave psychedelics behind. I know they seem like a way to God, but they're not. They're a winding path to the pit.

[@MWcrazyhorse]

If you fall for someone called Kayne you probably deserve it.

[@houragents5490]

Good thing his name is Kanye

[@MWcrazyhorse]

@@houragents5490 Don't be naive. The cabal names are of this nature.

[@nicholasdonin1465]

This guy gets it. And here i thought i was the only bear that followed the other Canadian JP

[@PraetorClaudius]

Kan - Way Westy

[@mcnallyaar]

"I've been paying attention to Kanye West for about ten years... because I had the sense that there are a few fools we need to pay attention to."

[@francisgallant1479]

Super good talk

[@drummerboy737]

Somehow we return again to these graven images of the queen of heaven. The virgin with the two angels is the banner of Joan of ark who said she spoke with angels all day. These are just imported understandings from ancient cultures.

[@tourist1313]

Add Nicki Minaj to the fools to watch list.

[@crazyramblingman168]

1:00:35 hes not wrong

[@josephwesward]

Watching! 👀

[@paulk9188]

WE ARE NOT TO BE LIKE MARY! We are to be like Jesus. We are made in HIS IMAGE!

[@srisumbaji]

Begone heretic.

[@mondopinion3777]

You could say our body is like Mary, like Nature, bearing forth Christ.

[@paulk9188]

@Cole Webb Harter-Please state exactly what verse in the Bible that calls Christians to be like Mary... I'll wait.

[@srisumbaji]

@Paul K who says it needs to be in the Bible?

[@KatieKamala]

No Mary No Jesus

[@watermelonlalala]

Costumed role playing - It's silly and it's embarrassing because they're grown ups - and the media eggs them on, which tells you it is not good for them.

[@TedBruckner]

At time stamp 6:55 that's a picture of bunch of Christians ho were duped into worshiping Horus. It's is obvious from that aerial photograph of humans forming, (aided by the round mound), the eye of Horus. Have you seen Kanye and his families Halloween costumes? All flies. Disgusting. Him representing 'Ba'al-Zeebub' the Lord of the flies. Electronic witchcraft has fascinated people upon the "American Idol" Kanye because no such fascination existed over certain heavy metal rock stars who "converted" and profess being Christians.

[@evillano]

Brilliant!

[@ibelieve3111]

Thanks

[@thehennspace]

On a roll

[@henoksamuel4106]

Kevin H Sunday service on a roll

[@JordonHill]

Thank you

[@not_a_windup_toy]

Isnt cosplay definitively participatory?

[@stephenpaccone8120]

Elizabeth Hammer U gay

[@hunts7626]

Elizabeth Hammer is there no hierarchy of ideas?

[@hunts7626]

Elizabeth Hammer You’re confusing the supremacy of people and the supremacy of ideas

[@Moneyman-33]

Elizabeth Hammer Who even said supremacy? And how is dressing in garbs different than dressing up like Jar Jar binks? Lol. That’s like trying to say Chess and Tetris are the same because they are both games.

[@Moneyman-33]

Elizabeth Hammer Okay? Jordan Peterson never advocated the opposite of “living a simple life” But what is simple? Do you think jesus led a life that was simple? Do you think a man can be simple and be remembered for THOUSANDS of years? Honestly don’t understand folks like you. It’s like you don’t want Christianity to succeed. Just so you can say “Ha, see! I was right!”

[@scottiusnevious5143]

Wow, this is great. Symbolism will trump all. My family has been legit telling me mary was a lady that got impregnated by a ghost or something. They said nothing of her representing church or even Jesus, she was her own seperate image to these posers. Help me, I live with this.

[@thamill3826]

25:50:00 so true.

[@Yakovlievich]

Oooookay. So, is Jonnie Pagey going to modify his views now that Kanye is performing at Joel Osteen's church?

[@lemnisgate8809]

Sacred art or idolatry, all seems like idolatry to me.

[@manfredarcane9130]

Wagner's Parsifal Huysmans' En Route Eliot's The Waste Land KANYE's Jesus is King Evolution of Sakrd Art

[@mondopinion3777]

Tarkovsky's STALKER

[@periruke]

@@mondopinion3777 It would be interesting if Jonathan makes video about symbolism in Tarkovskys movies

[@mondopinion3777]

@@periruke -- yes, I would love to see that happen.. And ANDRE RUBLEV has magnificent icon paintings.

[@mahlet77]

Interesting

[@timobatana6705]

Mary = ark of the covenant. *mind blown. Small explosion, but still a boom.*

[@grzegorzrybak9406]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ6xiKSCiK-WgKs

[@bard5865]

@smarter than a liberal pffft

[@sealevelbear]

smarter than a liberal Quite an ignorant statement. There are two thousand years of this symbolism, and the theology behind it. The Church has defined and taught against many heresies, what you said is not among them.

[@TheDrunkMunk]

Incredible

[@browsingyoutube6563]

No he couldn’t have been intelligent or inspired. He’s simply a fool according to you ... but I warn you about the dangers of hell fire for calling your brother a fool.

[@KatieKamala]

You are not understanding, nor did he really explain the archetype of the "FOOL" look it up as it pertains to the tarot card and also the archetype according to Carl Jung. It's not an insult, its complex.

[@off6848]

@@KatieKamala that’s a quote from scripture I don’t think you understood It’s from the words of Jesus himself

[@simplyjamee8572]

Mr Pageau, I kept scrolling back through one of your posts to look at your carving of the Christ. You chose to portray Him as a French king. I desire to know if you ever create art which expresses those with dark skin (like mine) and the TRUE Hebrew heritage of Yeshua, Emanuel, Jesus the Christ, and others in biblical times who though art, media, entertainment etc...have been “Europeanized” their color is altered or altogether disregarded. Many say...”who cares what does it matter?” There isn’t enough time to express why it matters. The best way I can explain to anyone asking this question in a few sentences would be to ask another question as my reply. That question is what harm would there be in raising eagles with pigeons-what damage is done if no one ever tells them the value in and of being an eagle since a bird...is just a bird?” People who are of color are suffering (yes...because of our own rebellion away from The Most High God). So many are scattered and (still) in diverse types bondage, inflicted by self and further deeply perpetuated and seared into our blood by others... I also know that many desire to understand and to see our relevance in this whole story...but most, with popular influence, WONT reflect the truth of who we are...(if they do, I don’t see it much). I am new to your channel and I’m enjoying the content. Please know that I DON’T desire to be controversial at all...I simply ache for “my” people...and I wish that more people with influence would point the world (within context) back to what we mean to it...we are NOT what we’ve become... I hope any of what I expressed makes any sense at all. Thank you for reading this and if there is anywhere I can see pieces or carvings of your art that reflects the true place of people who are of color in this ... please tell me where that is. Thank you Jamee

[@zakadams762]

bread and circus

[@kjvail]

Kayne is not a serious man, in 6 months he’ll be all excited about Buddhism or something.

[@exister4959]

Except that he’s been making music about Christ his entire career

[@kjvail]

Music is not the term I would apply to Kaynes output

[@debraperkins4448]

Agreed, he's One of satan's minions' !!

[@off6848]

Welp these comments didn’t age well. Throw Ye stones more judges of men and be judged

[@christopherwalker2139]

@@off6848 let’s go

[@DanHowardMtl]

Can't we make symbols easy enough for even dum dums like me to understand?

[@mondopinion3777]

We all have dreams full of powerful symbols.

[@DanHowardMtl]

@Dan S M Thumbs down to a phone, pray for a house?

[@bard5865]

@@DanHowardMtl I think he's saying to go to church and not only stay at home

[@flauwegeit]

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[@sennewam]

TT

[@stephenpaccone8120]

Legend

[@oscarlopez3474]

8:19... yeah, entertainment..just like this video

[@Moneyman-33]

Oscar Lopez This isn’t really entertainment.

[@oscarlopez3474]

ur very correct atlas!..not very entertaining at all..

[@Moneyman-33]

Oscar Lopez I get the vibe you’re just really dumb and trying to be rude lol. You called the video entertainment and then said it’s not entertaining.

[@oscarlopez3474]

atlas, not entertaining in a way that a good movie would be entertaining...but entertainment nonetheless..

[@STKisCOOLIO]

Furts

[@OurConsciousSkies]

- Adults cosplaying is embarrassing. Says the guy doing Bible Fanart

[@strugglingathome]

OurConsciousSkies are you unfamiliar with sacred art?

[@BNK2442]

Well, west was talentless before, he is talentless now.

[@S0UNDC1TY]

Can we please stop calling people crazy

[@timobatana6705]

That . Is . A crazy idea.

[@medarby3066]

I see the other side. We are all crazy, And just admitting it is the first step to true communal harmony and understanding.

[@S0UNDC1TY]

Except that's not how it's used. It's used saying - he's crazy (which is dismissive) but still he does this thing you wouldn't expect him to be able to do

[@S0UNDC1TY]

@@purpleblueblackify Exactly. So why would you reduce the illness by calling him crazy? It's shocking that he does or says xyz bc he's crazy!?! That kind of language is coded to reduce the amount of attention or reflection we should give people.

[@purpleblueblackify]

@@S0UNDC1TY Sorry I meant I have mental illness and people called me crazy. I do random things without even knowing it. Kanye need support and other things to help him get through mental illness he has. It's not easy, but it's worth it.

[@GStampedeIII]

white Jesus

[@patrykdrozd2637]

olive jesus

[@GStampedeIII]

@@patrykdrozd2637 iloveJesus too, but he wasn't white

[@Purpleflower7777]

@Grandswing The MESSIYAH looks like an Egyptian. I saw him in a vision I’m black and I didn’t see him as a black person

[@GStampedeIII]

@@Purpleflower7777 Egyptian isn't an ethnicity. And I didnt say he was black

[@stephenpaccone8120]

Grandswing lol who cares what his skin tone was

[@oscarlopez3474]

Religion is good business! ..for sure!

[@patricia-dolphins]

Tax free income 🤫

[@oscarlopez3474]

specially for guys like Pageau... capitalising on peoples fears and ignorance

[@bmc8871]

Oscar Lopez How is he capitalizing on people’s fears and ignorance?

[@oscarlopez3474]

its clear to me that his living comes from complicating Christ's simple message ...so simple that a child could understand it..

[@oscarlopez3474]

religion is big business for sure!!