Karador vs Narset vs Daretti vs Ghalta EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

[@AffinityForCommander]

Muddstah is secretly Santa. He knows what we all want, more EDH! 😁

[@straikychan]

"...to copy it and target my elesh norn" *MOST AGGRESSIVE POINTING I'VE EVER SEEN PROCEEDS*

[@tatersgames]

So your line of play to win was cast karador cast karmic guide grab revillark on your next upkeep sac the karmic to echo and sac revillark to tower grabbing viscera seer and karmic reanimating revil then sac karmic and revil to seer grab karmic and blood artist and bring revil in and just reiterate the loop until you drain everyone out

[@MTGMuddstah]

Dang! Not sure how I overlooked that line. Good eye!

[@DarkEinherjar]

I'm not sure if Fred and/or Tim would've let you untap if they saw Karmic Guide and Reveillark on the field... I think they would strike a deal to take you out along with Jamie. Or even spare Jamie for a turn, because Narset could still whiff, but that combo would not.

[@tatersgames]

@@MTGMuddstah yeah I've done it like a million time in my alesha 1v1 and multiplayer lists

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

9:43 But Muddstah you had a Phyrexian Tower and could do the good old permanent exile trick with Fiend Hunter.

[@DarkEinherjar]

But then Fred would've just returned Ghalta to the command zone and recast it for very little mana. The permanent exile thing doesn't work very well against commanders.

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

@@DarkEinherjar He was going to lose anyway so its is better to do as much damage as possible. Exiling commanders do helps if they start to cost more and could have changed some moves, I know we have hindsight to know that the result would not change and with Ghalta is a pain in the ass to work around but on the moment it is a better move.

[@DarkEinherjar]

I just realized something weird about that turn, which I stated in my most recent comment.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Actually, he could've cast either Reveillark or Karmic Guide and attempted to go off during his next upkeep (he could use Phyrexial Tower to sac Lark and get his combo going). However, I don't think Fred and/or Tim would've let him untap at all if he did... And I as said in my comment, he apparently overtapped his mana that turn; he had enough mana to go off right then and there, and with everyone else tapped out, he would win.

[@NMS127]

Yeah, Muddstah would've needed to sacrifice in response to the ETB trigger, before Fred decided whether to use the replacement. But letting his commander go to exile left him open to a spite concession, preventing the LTB trigger from going on the stack.

[@IntegratorNivramgrate]

Can I add how this may probably be the first time in the channel whereby someone loses from a deckout? (Even more so from the Santa himself, haha!) Edit: Actually, make that a self-mill. I remember the time Muddstah decked out people w/ Trostani using Alter of Dementia.

[@PenThoPlayer]

If I ever play Hermit Druid, I'll run 0 basics.

[@RecklessFables]

This is the correct answer. And then run Kozelek for the LOLZ

[@canibehelped]

Yo! Sultai commander, hermit druid 0 basics and a Laboratory Maniac. Win by milling yourself

[@PenThoPlayer]

@@canibehelped I generally play BUGR, which opens up more options than simple BUG. I can use Flayer of the Hardbound and Living Death to win as well this way.

[@IQuarent]

6:20 That has got to be the worst Teferi's Protection I've ever seen.

[@IntrospectiveCollateral]

It should only be used as a last resort. The ultimate last resort.

[@arrowhart2008]

How did he counter the katador he was phased out

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yeah, no one remembers Purphoros's second ability... until someone attacks them with eight 1/1 tokens and suddenly smashes them in the face for 24 damage like I did. :D

[@pterydactyl6572]

I always love to see a good Ghalta deck, whether it's stompy, voltron, or storm.

[@sparktoad]

Hey would have needed to alpha strike and pumped twice instead of casting rings. The golems (5/3)*6 and dual caster (4/1) is 29, assuming he had a golem being blocked.

[@esperderek5383]

And that's the thing with Narset decks, and why I'm not a fan of them. Either you don't get to play, because they stop everything you do before you can do anything, or everyone else doesn't get to play, as you take multiple extra turn and extra combat steps.

[@BjornEinarr]

no one stopped him, he kept a sketchy hand and paid the price for it

[@DarkEinherjar]

No one stopped him? You do realize he couldn't play Narset as long as Elesh Norn was on the field, don't you?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yes, he was stopped by Elesh Norn, regardless of whether you want to "buy" it or not. He didn't have mana to pay for the Pact when Muddstah cast both Sun Titan and Birthing Pod and was clearly counting on swinging with Narset to turn the game in his favor. Elesh Norn coming out of the Pod and ruining that plan? Tough shit, man. Welcome to real-life Magic, where things can always go wrong for you because someone made a move you weren't expecting and you didn't happen to have the right answer against it. ;)

[@BjornEinarr]

He kept a hand without fast mana. Hoping to cast Narset on t6 out of nothing but lands is not a good plan. Taking the extra turn to play just a land when Elesh is already out was also a bad play. Casting Teferi's Protection to fog 4 points of damage, when it could be used to give Narset "haste" was also terrible. I'd also like to point out, that Elesh Norn only lasted 2 rounds on the field. So no, he was not stopped, he played poorly. He had the tools to make it back, but wasted them.

[@darylchiu9030]

Dredging to answers is fun and all until you die to your self mill. Hermit druid pretty much requires you to assemble your combo on the same turn or lose on next turn.

[@zerozeras4723]

Am I the only one who notices the anger behind that point at Elesh Norn?

[@dancook6114]

Gotta say it was nice to see the fairly simple smash face mono green deck beat 3 pretty degenerate decks

[@thewaffler43]

Because fiendhunter has two seperate triggers you can abuse it with something like phyrexian tower. Essentially it enters, then in response you sacrifice it, then the death trigger happens. Because of the stack, death happens first, but nothing is exiled yet so it fizzles, then it dies, the it exiles.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Yea, I've since learned of that trick. This game was filmed a few months back when Fiend Hunter was a new addition to my list.

[@Quroe_]

Ah, the bottom-card-basic. I personally know the feeling with Hermit Druid. I feel ya.

[@tonyontilt3522]

Whenever a Nerset deck gets pooped on I get a warm & fuzzy feeling

[@-KillaWatt-]

6:52. What's up with the Pact of Negation. Was there a fan near the table? Also casting Pact should have put the fourth counter on his artifact flipping it into the land. Edit: As someone pointed out. I forgot about the Protection phasing everything out.

[@frankieh]

The artifact was phased out.

[@-KillaWatt-]

@@frankieh Teffari Protection... Right. I forgot about that. Lol.

[@zealot2147]

Although I don't think it mattered in the game intervention gives creatures indestructible so fighting the Dino should not have flipped the golem

[@2long2cat]

at 11:30 you mention Underrealm Lich as an addition to your Karador deck giving you protection from milling out - could you elaborate a bit on that? I don't see how his ability keeps you from milling to many cards out with Hermit Druid, since that was the problem on this game.

[@MTGMuddstah]

So the Lich is a replacement effect for drawing. Since his ability will occur instead of me drawing a card, if I have no library, even if I look at the top 3 with his ability and there are zero cards, it doesn't count as a draw.

[@TCG9777]

No matter how many times I replay it. "He casts 'd-fucking palms" XD

[@CheesyBrie13]

When Jameson played Pact, his Primal Amulet should have flipped before the reverberate happened! That being said, this was a fantastic game!! Thanks for the extra holiday spice!!!

[@hiddenleaf414]

His stuff was still phased out from Teferi’s Protection. He doesnt need lands to cast Pact tho.

[@Customerbuilder]

Andrew, you're the best! Merry Christmas!

[@sprongle3074]

Hey i have a question, when jamie used Teferis Protection that one turn and then on Muddstahs turn he uses pact of negation, i dont think he would have been able to cast it as technically he wasnt in the game anymore as he phased out and his entire bored was phased out, am i right here or is there something else?

[@DarkEinherjar]

His permanents phase out, but Jamie himself is still in the game. That's exactly why he gains protection from everything and a lock on his life total. The cards he owns in zones other than the battlefield are also still in the game, as are any cards he puts on the battlefield AFTER Teferi's Protection resolves. Teferi's Protection doesn't say "you can't play cards, cast spells or activate abilities", so as long as you can pay their costs, you can still cast spells freely. Zero-cost spells like Pacts, spells that require you to pitch cards in your hand as an alternate cost, like Commandeer, and so on. Additionally, the "protection from everything" isn't absolute: if an effect doesn't target you, doesn't damage you and doesn't cause Auras to be attached to you, you're not protected from it. If Ichor Rats enters the battlefield, you'll still get a poison counter. If Mindslicer dies, you'll still discard your hand. If someone activates Scavenger Grounds, the cards in your graveyard will still be exiled.

[@adams333]

hehe, yep, Ghalta hit really hard and really fast, nice win Fred!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Muddstah, I didn't understand that turn... not the accidental self-deck, but the way you used your mana: you said you cast Karador for BGW, but you tapped more lands than just three. What happened there? Counting your mana (eleven lands at that time), you paid 1 for the Druid and 3 for Karador, right? That would've left you with seven mana left, enough to either Evoke-cast Reveillark from the graveyard or cast it normally and feed it to the Pod, get Karmic Guide and Viscera Seer from Lark's trigger, bring Lark back with the Guide and then go off: you could've brought any creature you wanted from your graveyard to the battlefield and won the game right then and there with a death loop + Blood Artist. That, of course, assuming your decklist is up-to-date.

[@MTGMuddstah]

There have been a few changes, but I think I may have overtapped in casting Karador, which could have attributed to the misplay. This game was a while back, so it's hard to remember in perfect detail.

[@cenekpec2832]

Some1 probably said it already, but revillark with Karador and sacing it with tower would let u get karmic and viscera, which would be that instant win that you talked about. :)

[@Cbass_654]

6:53 is that a misplay because he was phased out so he wasn't technically in the game could he have done this im not sure just asking

[@henryrussell8833]

7:46 you basically pathed your own elesh lol.

[@koryfitzsimmons4253]

What do you use to film and edit ? I want to start sharing edh videos but I dont know where to start

[@DeangusMcFife]

so they showed you the Kara-DOOR?

[@henrypendergast8108]

How many basics is good in a Karador deck with hermit Druid? I’m making one right now and am not sure how many to put in.

[@DarkEinherjar]

I think 10 is a safer number than the 5 Muddstah used. Digging too deep with Hermit Druid tends to be dangerous because you never know when Bojuka Bog is going to hit the field and ruin your fun...

[@Anaki99DK]

Hermit Druid doing work... :D

[@StrawHatHogs]

Lol that Ghalta deck is just like mine, feels good big green stompy fun!

[@tonyontilt3522]

Merry Christmas everyone!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Let this game be named "BACK TO BASICS", as homage to Muddstah decking himself because he forgot how many basic lands he had. :D

[@highdark4]

9:45 bro, run Loaming Shaman for precisely this situation! 😁

[@emdub9679]

What rhymes with Smellish Norn? I can't figure it out

[@mikepatrick6421]

at 6:52 Jameson countered your Commander while Phased out, However that was an illegal play technically. His permanents were phased out due to Teferi's Protection. Phased Lands cannot be tapped for mana as phasing means they do not exist on the battlefield until his next upkeep.

[@iandehmel]

Schmelesh Schmorn!

[@Eldrad235]

Muddstah playing my favorite commander.... And then he milled himself

[@DarkEinherjar]

I'm glad to see that everyone picked on Narset this time... as I said the last time she appeared in this show, Narset must not be allowed to exist. EVER.

[@namename8004]

Narset is the worst. Uninteractive nonsense. Her trigger NEEDED to be on damage not on attack. That or remove the hexproof.

[@DarkEinherjar]

The only reason why Narset couldn't do her job here was because Jamie was mana-starved and couldn't find the fifth mana to counter Birthing Pod with his Pact and prevent Elesh Norn from hitting the field. And some people in this comment section blamed him for "keeping a sketchy hand"... seriously, he had already gone down to six cards, which means two mulligans with even worse seven-card hands! If I were in his shoes, I'd probably have kept that hand as well just for the lands.

[@Michelez.]

@@DarkEinherjar i started play EDH with derevi stax, then i moved into Narset, then i lost all my friends.

[@DarkEinherjar]

I played against Infinite Turns Narset only once... and there was Daretti at that table as well, and it was STAX Daretti to boot! One of the other players began to pick on the Daretti player, which resulted in him casting Wildfire in an attempt to stay alive. Everyone lost their lands, Narset pulled ahead because of mana rocks, Narset came out with haste and the game ended. Now I don't want to see either of those decks ever again... -_-

[@Suzuki246]

DarkEinherjar Personally, I would hate to see any player getting picked on/bullied by another player. Unless theres a group consensus and justifiable cause.

[@andrewbader6927]

if you had 6 six mana I see only fine you could have cast revlark then sac it with tower to infinite combo

[@lunarmathemagics7881]

I love my ghalta deck, awesome to see one win here

[@spencersonnier1]

I haven't seen a Narset deck in eons

[@dylanathepsn]

Thank you for the videos

[@AidanWR]

Now that I think about it, anyone who starts playing Magic after the mulligan rule change may think that you cheated on your first turn because you knew what was on top and played it instantly

[@BAndersJ74]

When Fred killed the Fiend Hunter wouldn't his Ghalta have summoning sickness when it re-entered the battlefield?

[@Steamboat2016]

Surrak's formidable trigger gave it haste

[@Supsup516]

Can you cast spells while phased out via teferis prot?

[@rorylastname7635]

As long as they dont cost Mana, ala Pact of Negation.

[@DarkEinherjar]

If the spells cost no mana, permanent sacrifices or life, or you have a way to generate mana without your permanents, like Elvish/Simian Spirit Guide, you can. Teferi's protection doesn't say "you can't cast spells" in its text. Pacts, spells that exile cards from hand or graveyard as an alternate cost, like Commandeer... all of those can be cast while you and your board are out for lunch.

[@rapples101]

Was there not a single dredge card in your graveyard to replace your draw step? There must have been one somewhere!

[@lobo-xs6kd]

You still have to have enough cards to dredge in order to replace your draw step with it.

[@rapples101]

@@lobo-xs6kd just looked it up, was not aware of that ruling. My bad!

[@rossf8616]

Cheers to to the mono green deck!

[@Merzjamie1651]

Could Jamie have countered Karador? Wasn't he phased out at the time?

[@IcedNeonFlames]

His permanents phase out, not him. He could still cast free counterspells

[@AidanWR]

I expected you to say, "since the tokens can't even."

[@alejandrorigeiero3457]

Awesome game ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@NyxTheScary]

will yall ever do a budget episode?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Maybe! I used to consider Krenko budget, though. What price range are we thinking?

[@NyxTheScary]

MTG Muddstah like less than 300. maybe some fun janky/midrange atuff like this one i have tappedout.net/mtg-decks/harambes-death-wail/

[@HazmatSam]

How is it even possible to not win the game with Purph and Precursor Golem out out at the same time?

[@Bammab127]

He is an ancient and powerful wizard... some call him... tim

[@addambarcelos]

Hermit troll messed up xD

[@isaiahwilson8119]

Slight misplay, couldn't have flipped the golem because it got indestructible from the heroic intervention

[@rickimes453]

I love ya muddstah but epic fail with the Druid 😂😂

[@Ballpython77]

Goddamn Narset!!! every time i see Narset doing nothing, it makes my day!!!

[@slavikfurious890]

So OK, no loop combo, no infinite combo. But why not to win with ballista after activating of hermit druid? I don't understand such kind of deckbuilding.

[@edenlee5944]

*sees Ghalta* I am getting phobia and war flashbacks from one of the player who plays the same deck in my *former* playgroup. (And yes: i quit that playgroup because he is the only monogreen player who always win, even he is faced against a bunch of control decks.)

[@lucas6227]

you guys can't beat a mono green ghalta deck? I don't think it was the deck that was the problem

[@staceyairenjheml.penales4473]

Narset❤️

[@xakuyer]

Hermit druid, Muddstah, geez...

[@safertobeanonymous2224]

I swear it sounds like he says defucking palms!

[@victorramirez7439]

Muddstah TOK nice

[@varietygamer7859]

Great game

[@RicardoJavierMelero]

How couldn't won a karador deck with the entire library in the graveyard!?? Evoke reveirllark, return karmic guide + sac outlet, return reveirllark with the guide, sac reveirllark, return zulaport/blood artist... Go infinite... And if u don't have those cards is not a karador deck.

[@benjaminfollese4921]

jamie didn’t pay for pact of negation

[@Waka817]

Benjamin Follese I think he did around the 7:16 mark.

[@zaddyzathog4087]

Yeah he even said... Untap upkeep mana vault trigger and pact trigger

[@ErikTheRedd1]

That's what you get for playing mindslicer

[@pokeyclawz8727]

Its not disappointing if narset turns doesnt play the game

[@polywannakraken8839]

Having all your cards in your graveyard is the way you win the game with Karador, silly. No Angel of Glories Rise combos?

[@thuggishcone1392]

Im 100% sure thats terraria music playing.

[@virgilmuxoll]

First goblin here

[@BTGamenight]

Is it wrong that I was hoping you had a Platinum Angel in your grave to survive even with no deck left? xD Merry Christmas good sir and thank you for another great episode!!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Better yet: Underrealm Lich. Replaces his draws with an effect that doesn't count as drawing (so he doesn't lose from decking) and is harder to get rid of.