NijiEn try to figure out who has Aphantasia (No Imagination)

[@ThatGuyYouSeeCommentingOnClips]

No *visual* imagination, we can still imagine stuff.

[@karasuclips693]

How does that work, explain

[@ThatGuyYouSeeCommentingOnClips]

@@karasuclips693 You imagine stuff in a non-visual way, just ideas and concepts, not things you look at. I can think up ideas for a story and a character, I just can't picture that character in my head.

[@Gulyus]

@@karasuclips693 When you imagine an apple, you can see the apple. When I imagine an apple I barely see an outline - if I focus. I have a voice in the back of my head that I use to "imagine" things. Some people with aphantasia, instead of *seeing* things, have written text there instead. Others see slides. Each person has a different imagination, even those with aphantasia. Basically, its not actually about seeing things in your head, its actually about recording sensory data, about being able to recall those sensations. I can't see something unless it is there. I can't feel something unless I am there / touching it. I can't taste something unless it is on my tongue. Can only smell something if it is in the air. I can still think, though. Just have a different experience when doing so. I think I'm a 4 or 4.5 out of five on the scale though, so I'm a little different from others with it.

[@96tax]

would be like how blind people imagine stuff?

[@floofzykitty5072]

​@@karasuclips693How do you think blind people use their imagination lol

[@lollypopalopicus-jm6co]

I like how Elira keeps saying "some people can imagine", when at least 96% of the population dont have Aphantasia

[@kasiditwang1358]

i have Hyperphantasia, which is opposite of Aphantasia. i kinda hate it, i can imagine everything in my brain which make me zone out a lot, btw i also can rewatch entirety of the movie in my brain if i remember it

[@snekeater980]

So thats what its called yeah same like when i try to remember a novel ive read i remember the scene i imagined not the words

[@kasiditwang1358]

@@snekeater980 bud🤝

[@dth_w4v3s]

Ayo so that's what that is? Guess I have it too...

[@RangeAquarius]

@@snekeater980 eyy same

[@FlotationDevice101]

I can visualize it in 3d, realize it into reality, feel it, and interact with it, but weirdly enough, I can only visualize like 10% of it if I close my eyes. Anyone like this too?

[@OgretailFood]

I'm glad that Elira's aphantasia clips exists because this actually explains a lot about my childhood/school life, not saying that I have Aphantasia (haven't done any tests yet, unsure if it's possible to get a professional test) but still explains a lot.

[@stargayzer-piyo]

aphantasia isn't researched enough for there to be any sort of professional tests or diagnoses. it was only recently discovered. if you have poor visual imagination then you have aphantasia

[@Skyver24]

Head may be empty, but her chest is full 🙏

[@presh.]

tbh elira helped me discover i probably have aphantasia too !lmaooo it’s so hard to determine what level i am bc i don’t know what “normal” is to other ppl but it made so much sense when elira said she can think of something but can’t visualize it, like if i try to imagine an apple i cant see the image clearly expect for like mild flashes of it but that’s about it. but for some reason i can think about it?? idk it’s weird ahaha

[@leleotrx]

I think I'm somewhere around 3 and 4 watching this clip, if I really focus I can see a glimpse of it in my head but just barely.

[@UCu5gjzXvp21vqXJOFrSiJkBXuw]

Thanks for this. The Aphantasia saga goes onward!

[@ElJoeMama]

Because of this, i have just found out that im a 3.

[@zerrjyo3338]

Same

[@TobiasStratus]

Whenever I imagine one of these tests I also have Free Bird playing internally as I spin the apple, also I already knew for Elira but ‘tis sad that Zali must also bear the head empty cross, at least the roasting was just focused on the bday girl!

[@DinodieTonight]

I play a low-quality version of funky town with my spinning apples.

[@TobiasStratus]

@@DinodieTonight you are so real for this, that’d be my second choice

[@snekeater980]

you just made me imagine of an apple gaining limbs and the limbs are jacked asf and having a brawl out while free bird was playing

[@SupriceSupplies]

now I'm just visualising an apple that spins so fast it takes off into the sky

[@Kaizoun]

When they said "imagine an apple on top of elira's head" i just think of elira's head being replace by a 3d png of a red apple lol

[@SkyMina_]

I didnt realize i had this , only can imagine the outline of it wtf

[@blairbird8022]

Based off this sample size, 25% of NijiEN have Aphantasia.

[@orbitalvagabond]

Interesting, I could start thinking of possible mechanisms as to why.

[@infamouse9263]

@@orbitalvagabondall right I’ll bite why do you think that 25% have it

[@jeffrey12250]

@@infamouse92632 out of 8 people in the call have aphantasia

[@owitch]

Vanta just come and casually said the terminology.

[@lootria]

the best way i found to explain how i imagine things is if you layer an image over something else in some editing program and turn down its opacity until its nearly invisible, and also desaturate it a lot, that would be pretty close to how imagine stuff i feel like thats what 4 represents, with the outline? like i can imagine things, but its not like theyre vivid or anyrhing like people descibe; as if the opacity on that layer is on 100%. i wonder if thats an accurate representation of level 1 and level 4, if i am at level 4 anyway edit: that might be a 3 actually now that i think about it looking at the illustration in the vid

[@chronosclaimsall]

I think it's the same for me! I was literally just thinking about how it looks (in my mind's eye) like some parts of the image are blurry or faded or almost blotted out like with ink. If I try to focus on any specific details then they become clearer, but only at the expense of the rest of the picture. Like if I imagine someone's face all of their features are kind of faded and if I try to focus on remembering a specific feature -- for instance, let's say lip shape -- then it's like I literally zoom in on that one feature, so it becomes clear but the rest of their face is completely gone and if I try to overlay the detailed mouth onto the faded face then something else goes away (like the ears or nose) until eventually the whole thing fades back to the original, slightly-blurry-but-still-mostly-recognizable picture I started with. I think the best way for me to describe mine would be that it's like I'm looking at the picture without wearing glasses. Everything's blurry but you can basically still tell what it is, and if I squint hard enough certain things might come into focus.

[@Deadgye]

>No imagination Bruh do you think we also can't dream? I'm typically a 5, but I can conjure brain images as if I was dreaming if I'm like deliriously sleepy and my mind is in a certain state. I normally just think in abstracts. When I think of an apple, my brain recalls the concept of an apple. I recall it's typical 3D and 2D shape, but can't actually see them; I recall it's smell, but can't actually smell it; I recall the feel and taste, but can't actually feel or taste it; I start to recall many other memories that are directly or tangentially related to the concept of an apple, as if the associated memories get pulled along for the ride as a less focused web of thoughts I can ignore or traverse. But I guess the better way to explain Aphantasia to people who can conjure brain images is to ask them "What do you mean you can't imagine the smell of colors and/or imagine the taste of musical melodies?"

[@suprgee]

i can imagine it, but like visually inside my head, when i close my eyes, NO!

[@Zircaa]

another has joined the aphantasia gang :o

[@ItsNickster]

nobody: elira: I'M A 5

[@coalwhitton6613]

I have an unsettlingly vivid imagination

[@madsounds4014]

Oh shit, i think i'm a 4. I was trying really hard but that was the best i could do. I didn't know people can imagine thing extremely detailed, even the texture of it 🤯

[@xuan7855]

For me there’s shades of colour except not really, I know apples are red, but when I imagine them I “see” the crunch and the taste and the feeling with an impressionist splash of colour but no solid apple as they exist in the world

[@KuribohTwin]

Is anyone here 4 like me? Like I can actually imagine the image that petra asked, but it looks like a see through kind of Apple in Elira's head.😢

[@jackiefenrir8521]

thirsty little flower

[@DelfaTime]

when i sleep/dream its like 1-2 but awake when i think its more 2-3 maybe for me its lack of brain power lol

[@darkhell66659]

I'd say either I'm a 2 or my brain just has 0 RAM

[@ButcherParry]

So thats why elira wants us to see every angle of them... because otherwise we cant imagine what they look like 🧐

[@tomelsewhere227]

i can only imagine half an red curcle

[@TheCrazyGreenGamer]

I’m somewhere between 4&5.

[@oomay1925]

Honestly, the diagram is so misleading. It's hard to depict what people can "think" of and what they can "see" in their head.

[@Gulyus]

That is honestly one of the biggest problems with talking about aphantasia, but the people in the call were using it correctly at least. Since it is a self-diagnosis use only, it is impossible to use it medically, but it can help a person a baseline idea to compare too.

[@iris4yuuki]

I think i'm a solid one here 'cuz i can easily picture an apple or other things in my mind. This is the first time i hear about aphantasia tho. I always thought that people can easily imagined or pictured something in their mind whenever they want to.

[@lostcheesecake]

Okay but like on Shu's behalf, i saw the same thing 😂 a N64 spinning apple

[@Ledbottom86]

I didnt realize that I don't see it at all. I can imagine the idea of it but not the physical object.

[@renfaere]

I would say I am a 2 on this scale. I can rotate objects and see them vividly but textures are a bit hard to envision for me. Another interesting brain thing is the ratio to which people have and don't have an internal monologue. Something I thought everyone had but turns out majority don't! 😭 I wish I could be truly head empty like everyone else 😔

[@SethAbercromby]

As far as I've heard, the not having an inner monolog thing is a internet myth. Similar with aphantasia it seems the overwhelming majority of people have one to a degree. Not everyone can accurately imagine the voices of others, but that also goes for imagining more complex colors and textures.

[@renfaere]

@@SethAbercromby but theres real studies on this.

[@TheDeanofLean]

​@@SethAbercrombyYou've heard horribly wrong then.

[@SethAbercromby]

@@TheDeanofLean "You're wrong" -Source: Trust me bro

[@TheDeanofLean]

@SethAbercromby So people who say they don't experience those things are lying for some reason? Also, it's not like you yourself gave any type of source. Where did you even hear it was a myth from in the first place?

[@MainGoldDragon]

Isn't there also a different thing regarding this too tho? Like when in a conversation someone says the word apple, do you immediately get the image of an apple in your head or do you have to consciously make the image appear. The people that do get the image are the same people that can't hear people talk about gross stuff (like poop or puke) while they're eating, since they image those things in their heads

[@chronosclaimsall]

I mean, I'm pretty sure I'm one of those people that has to consciously make an image appear and I still would rather people not talk about that stuff while I eat. Sure I don't see the image of it, but my brain still associates those things with unpleasant tastes/smells/sensations and I don't want it to associate those sensations with eating either. I'd still listen, but I'd rather be done eating or put my food down during the conversation so that my brain doesn't try to make me think my food is starting to smell a little funky or taste a little chunky because it's mixing the idea of "eating" with the idea of "bodily waste".

[@MainGoldDragon]

@@chronosclaimsall yeah so instead of imagining it, you taste/smell/sensate it. Same thing.

[@communismwithgiggles2515]

3:40 Shu trying to beat the nerd allegations

[@buhguh-r8g]

According to the diagram you showed I'd be a 1, but the image doesn't feel concrete to me and if I stop concentrating on it I can lose it easily, so idk if I really am a 1.

[@ChromiumPenguin]

"There's nothing in here!" So true, so real! 😹

[@lenzzek8543]

imagine booba

[@4sidedshape]

i think i just learnt something about myself

[@gretafreitag2041]

I don't even attempt to classify myself in something like this because internal visualization is probably the most subjective thing there is. Feels pretty real to me but it could be trivial to someone else, who knows.

[@diputston]

I can even imagine it jiggleing

[@theltlexay]

I imagined an apple so good it made me hungry, got straight Pavlov'd

[@miles6777]

My dreams can sometimes have a shadow outline of a 2D scene if the dream was vivid, so is that a 3?? Or 4?? But when I’m awake, I’m absolutely a 5. The word is in my head, but an object? Where??

[@animowany111]

I generally don't have any visual experience in dreams, most of my dreams (at least those I can remember) involve the spatial sense, so I know what is where, and 'see' that way. I've had a handful of dreams and dreamlike states where I have experienced actual visual experiences/hallucinations/etc., and it's absolutely trippy. Like is that what people normally experience? Like when I'm so sleep deprived I'm seeing something that's not in front of me? What!? That seems crazy!

[@ON0606]

Wait... If someone has Aphantasia, what would their dreams be like? A literal short novel?

[@Shadowsetp]

I think it depends on the person. Usually I don’t dream (or at least even wake up remembering I’d dreamed at all) but in the times when I do it’s best explained as having sensations. Imagine being in a dark room, no light, but there are things around you people, voices, you can touch and feel things but you can’t see them at all. On the scale I’m a 5. Though when I was younger I was higher up then that (2 most likely) so that could also shape how that is for me.

[@Otaku4Sale]

No dream. Just sleep and wake up.

[@ON0606]

@@Shadowsetp interesting 🤔

[@VON_WA]

Meanwhile i dream almost everytime i sleep, like around 95%. I even can starts dreaming when i'm only half asleep. And no, i dont know how it works or why it happens.

[@Disastermere]

I've heard it be described as a pc without a monitor. They can process things going on (as much as any other person in their dreams, at least) but they can't see anything

[@y2mino]

for me i think i’m a 2, like i imagine a big red apple totally 2d but if i think about a 3d one i can see it spinning etc so i feel like i’m a 2 but i’m not sure

[@zuzoozuzoozu]

my brother just saw this and went b o b s : 0

[@totallyathome]

Hmm i didnt know there was a spectrum. I also didnt realise im not a 5 its qeird because i can't actually see it but i can feel the apple with my eyes. Does that make sense?? Hahaha

[@stargayzer-piyo]

aphantasia gang raise your hand. *raises hand* i'm a 4

[@Drakken24619]

I’m a 4

[@gonosoi]

Yo some people really have a 4k imagination? Like you see color and stuff what it's so weird

[@snekeater980]

good to know im a 1

[@hanbaebummie3215]

Does this mean I’m a 1?

[@IceLancer115]

Play D&D & have a very good Game Master that explains things in detail, It help trains your imaginary brain.

[@phxgamingxd-hatdogedition1157]

NijiEn try to figure out who's racist

[@turtlepope7802]

No doubt Aphantasia exists, I don't understand how they go through life without being able to remember the face of a loved one without a picture for example, but I do believe they exist. However, I think there's a lot of semantics at play here. It's really hard to communicate the feeling of the "inner eye", I think when they hear "can you see the apple" a lot of people get the feeling that you're actually meant to hallucinate an apple in your visual field. And though some people are better at conceptualization than others, the power of imagination also fluctuates depending on how well your brain is doing, it takes some amount of effort and you can even practice. If you're a 5 in the chart you may be locked there for actual physical brain reasons (though aphantasia hasn't been scientifically proven to exist, and we don't know the mechanism by which it happens), but if you're a 4 there's nothing stopping you from going to a 1.

[@dingusuhum]

do you think blind people can't remember their parents' faces either?

[@dingusuhum]

also as.someone whose experience is at least accurately represented by the concept of aphantasia no I don't think you're supposed to hallucinate an apple. I just don't visualize stuff, I'm not f-ing stupid. mf out here just fully going "well if I don't experience it it clearly isn't real".

[@mixfortune]

Trying to close your eyes to imagine it kind of factors out the idea that there would be a misconception about hallucinating within a visual field.

[@turtlepope7802]

@@dingusuhum no, I don't think those born blind are able to remember their parents faces, on account of them being physically unable to perceive faces.

[@turtlepope7802]

@@dingusuhum you might need to work on your reading comprehension, because I clearly stated that I think it's real, and if you actually have aphantasia there's something missing there. I'm saying that it's a hard condition to study and even diagnose because it's so intrinsically subjective. If you're colorblind, you're prevented from having an experience, but non-colorblind people can't know if they're all perceiving the same colors the same (my red might look like your blue), just that they can see the full spectrum, because language can't communicate what a color looks like. And colorblindness is easily tested, aphantasia is purely self-reported. I have days where I'd say I'm "near-aphantasia", and people look like blurry shapes. I have days where I can render entire movies. Brains are weird.