Karate is NOT a long distance fighting style

[@eisbombenterror]

I would rather call it a "fast wrestling art with striking" because you actually try to discard the opponent as soon as possible. You don't want to get entangled for too long in a clinch or even on the ground - the altercation then changes into a fight, a duel who is stronger - the same situation as in a long range fight where you are exchanging blows. Karate was made for self-defense, not for fighting.

[@MrAlepedroza]

In that regard, it reminds me a lot of the Tomiki Aikido we see around: not much time spent grip fighting nor chest to chest, but trying to get the quickest and most effective takedowns (or strikes) to end the fight swiftly.

[@vandamme6379]

Yeah. I'd even say that Karate is like 80% grappling/close fighting. Most of the Kata have wrestling throws and grappling moves.

[@kaz5150619]

Its secret grappling with the kata which is AWESOME when u think about it

[@johntay3831]

Karate is a village defence system which is normally close quarter combat, It has very heavy influence with yongchun white crane. Both styles are used to fight off invaders in villages. A lot of clinching, wrestling, sticky hand techniques.

[@kaz5150619]

Kudo is the Modern interpretation of Karate's original format very open minded but practical and concise af its wonderful and yes im biased since i hold a 6th kyu in the art (blue belt 1 stripr that is)

[@barrettokarate]

2:46 Gotta correct you here...taekkyeon is not the "father" art of taekwondo. Taekwondo came from Tang Soo Do, which came from Shotokan. All of the first- and second-generation Korean karateka of the 1930s, 40s and 50s had trained either in Japan or under someone who had. That's why taekwondo is long range art. Plus, the Koreans focusing on kicking above hand strikes also added to it.

[@thattrickytrickster612]

I think Kudo does this best. Using long strikes to get into clinch and grappling range, taking an opponent down and striking while you're upright.

[@TroyIndureTillTheEnd]

Kudo isn't a karate style and doesn't use damn near any kata for self defense it's modernized version of multiple traditional Japanese arts to make (modern MMA style) Kudo.

[@Katcom111]

Kudo is fairly hybrid and even Zendokai that is more geared to MMA ring sport.

[@GeorgeMoon-p1t]

Which style of karate do you study?

[@zasmirko100]

Karate in Japan IS dominantly a long-distance art. Karate WASN'T a long distance art in Okinawa. Sport and self-defense are different things.

[@Katcom111]

Checkout Okinawan Kenpo, Shinkichi Kuniyoshi was a student of Shigeru Nakamura. I seen Kuniyoshin videos and he teaches a good close range. He got a few videos on Kata as well

[@dimakarpov1956]

This video is an amazing exploration. In Russia we have master Uriy Fedorishen who applied Karate for Army Hand To Hand Combat (ARB) - it is like Kudo for paratroopers. So, the idea almost the same, grab sleeve be at the side of an opponent and hit him. Fedorishen used classic kihon kata movement. Something in a middle between Boxing and Judo. kzbin.infoUgkxxxFSXCAVFLvnZC1KfvJ_ltsHcjgkMcgC?si=haHAGWm_0Bpt2rbZ There was a seminar where he explained his fights in ARB and how he pretend to be a Judoka to mislead his opponents and use that movement, but I did not find that one yet, here on KZbin. Going Send as a second comment. UPD: Ok, found. kzbin.infoUgkx1i1VMi6o7ZIXOWSk9rnysSbafbB04JU6?si=nVv03yYr8vowFbbr Here is how to use Karate style for MMA and wearing Judo dogi to look like a wrestler but fight using karate kihon.

[@lucalevorato7577]

I do not have anything against Karate competitions, but in a certain way it doesn't really represent what Karate was in his original form ( at least, in my opinion). Still, many dojo still use Kata only in a aesthetic way, where form prevails over function.

[@Dangerous_Nerd]

Without this perspective, everyone who makes fun of Karate is right. With this perspective, Karate is a second-to-none self-defense method.

[@Mrcashewww]

Taekwondo derived from shotokan from the pumsae to the stances and techniques there’s no clear evidence that it came from taekkyeon. 😂😂😂

[@TimothyAdams-ln2jr]

Taekkyeon or Tae Kyun or Tae Kyon was an indigenous foot-fighting sport/art that all be died out in the 20th C. Two men were found in the latter 1960s who had Tae Kyon training, one who claimed to have been fully trained in the "art" and the other who had trained only briefly as a child. Modern Tae Kyon is largely a recreation of the sport/art that has started to grow a good following, even here in the U.S.A. but it should be noted that the traditional Korean kicking style bares no resemblance to the high kicks of modern TKD or Karate at all.

[@kermit1211]

the forms maybe close to Shotokan but the way they really fight is closer to a more polished version of Taekkyeon

[@eisbombenterror]

@@kermit1211 No, he's not saying that the forms are "close" to Shotokan, he was saying that Taekwondo has been derived from Shotokan (mostly, but also Shudokan and even Shito Ryu) - which is completely and 100% true.

[@kermit1211]

@ he literally mentioned poomsae, stances and techniques🤦‍♂️.

[@Mrcashewww]

@@kermit1211 taekwondo and tang so do both come from karate that’s a fact all you have to do is about 5 minutes of research. There is no hard evidence that there is any taekkyeon in either especially since modern taekkyeon didn’t pop up until resently.

[@hariman7727]

Excellent points.

[@fabchi4597]

Hey mate do you online coach?

[@crumbluscrisp]

This is kind of an overcorrection imo. If a technique or strategy: 1. Works 2. Fits into a [mostly] standup context 3. Isn't fully contrived from a quirk of a given combat sports' rules Then it's karate. I think narrowing it beyond that is a disservice to its preservation and proliferation-which is why I think your body of work and overall perspective is so valuable. There's a lesser-known side of Okinawan karate centered around aikido-like technique and footwork that is just as neglected in the world of sport karate as the wrestling element; it would be a shame to neglect it again in a revival of real karate.

[@NibarOinapse-q4q]

How bout flyin kicks?Axe kicks?Knees and elbows longer than extended legs lol

[@karatehack8404]

Nicely said!

[@KarateFruitPunch]

Согласен. Сам пришел к подобному выводу.

[@martinesKarateka]

Preach!!!

[@Eri587]

Long comment ahead. im not saying you're wrong, based on what you show in the video i would say your statements are true but so what? You said it yourself at the beginning that long distance is an EVOLUTION of karate and sure it may not have been that way in more traditional karate but if it went in that direction what's the problem? You say you want to bring back practical karate but later mention that you can spar with kata which i agree but right there is the point, you need to spar to make a martial art work and that is true for every single martial art ever, if you don't spar you can't fight and point contact with that long distance form has plenty of practitioners that do full contact sparring and competition and it works just fine so given that a modern karate practitioner and a traditional karate practitioner both spar full contact what makes one more efficient than the other? And i know you're going to say oh traditional karate is too deadly for sports/is for da streetzz but how many people are going to have any sort of training in the streets, how many people are going to have the skills to react and defend from the punches and kicks from a point contact style? Both versions are perfectly fine, modern karate is not less efficient because it has less moves from katas than traditional styles, i would argue that because you need sparring to be able to fight, modern styles of karate are more effective in teaching how to fight because the presence of competition makes sparring a priority than traditional styles that only do kata (but if traditional styles had that same intensity and sparring they would work the same). If anything bringing back takedowns and locks from old karate would be beneficial but obsessing to be able to fight like le old okinawan masters is ridiculous because in modern karate being long distance has the weakness that when people close the distance and grapple they lose, wonderboy has lost most of his ufc fights like that but if that's the case for modern long distance karate than the opposite is true for close distance traditional karate, you would just get pick apart at distance by anyone that knows that you favor close quarters, so why not have both, that would be more practical, be able to fight at distance, close it and make space as needed but also be able to fight in the clinch and take someone down, limiting yourself to one or the other in my opinion is wrong. Sorry for the long comment, it end up being longer than expected, i can fully get behind bringing back elements of old karate like takedowns and clinch fighting but to solely focus on that because that's what old masters used to do is te wrong way to keep traditions alive, if anyone wants to fight with traditional methods it needs to evolve, evolution doesn't mean forgetitng the traditions, it means taking the traditions and improving on them, testing them with full intensity but not limit yourself to them, like a lot of kata have takedowns from close distance but wouldn't be better to be able to perform them not only from close distance but also against long distance attacks, it would be the same move, but now is not limited by only being on the clinch and you can make it work from someone blitzing from long distance or if you close the distance and don't have to wait for the opponent to move.

[@thecrossandthecufflink]

I see what your saying but in an assault scenario, most fights happen at the conversational range so a deeper understanding of CQC is preferred. Blitzing is better for combat sports because it's more of a give and take. Darting in and out in an assault scenario just prolongs the fight needlessly. Even if you reach various military systems most are predicated on closing the distance, controlling your assailant and neutralizing him.

[@seipeele3437]

Agreed

[@calubras]

First like and comment, damn!!!

[@KarateBreakdown]

You did it 🔥🔥

[@wilaadum5063]

Might not be a long range art, but your short range sucks, hell even uour long range sucks. The only kicks good for karate is the spinning back kicks and you cant base your style o that it is just a fluke kick.The people practicing karate are japanese and weebs or mma people that were weebs. Like who chooses karate to train nowadays if youre not a kid or gay

[@KarateBreakdown]

Dattebayou ;(

[@MrAlepedroza]

Nice trolling, Narutard.

[@cadkls]

What does being gay have to do with anything? What a weird outlook to tie sexual attraction to a martial art. Once again proving that righties are obsessed with peoples genitals. Karate has proven itself time and time again in the ring. It has nothing more to prove to internet tough guys.