Karate vs Muay Thai (Kyokushin Rules Matches)

[@FightCommentary]

Guys, clarification: first match the karateka is not Kyokushin. I accidentally said "Kyokushin" because it was under Kyokushin rules. Second match the Karateka is Kyokushin. Also, if anyone does tune into FightersRep's Saturday's event or come in person, tell them Fight Commentary Breakdowns sent you!

[@shadowlancer45]

i don't understand Sir. I see he focused on doing barrage of tsuki punches in chudan area of the muay thai guy. For all i know that is one of the signature move of a kyokushin. He don't focus on wide low stance either. e.i. shotokan, nor circular which goju ryu or shito. But not sure though.

[@gretashapiro4118]

Check out Takkien vs kyokushin dojo challenges from way back . Mas oyama son was fighting as well. Pretty brutal fights, you will be surprised. These guys really are not impressive at all.

[@pinkpanteraNZ]

The first fighter is from Seido Karate. Their style is based on the kyokushin, as the founder Tadashi Nakamura was from that style.

[@GregSanchez-z3j]

Looks like 2 girls trying to kick each other. Sissys?

[@pdan3676]

Is this a joke? Why are you displaying amature fighters? Striking in the head or face is illegal in this fight? It must be because fighters are not striking at the most vulnerable area and they certainly leave their head unguarded.

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

in the early days of Kyokushin karate training, bare knuckle strikes to the face were allowed, but this resulted in many injuries, and blood, which caused some students to withdraw from training. Also, they wanted the matches to last, be a challenge and not end due to cuts. They did for some time wrap their hands in towels, but Sosai Oyama believed that wearing protective gloves would take away from the realistic nature that his style was building. Therefore, it was decided that hand and elbow strikes to the face, head and neck would no longer be allowed in training and competition.

[@jocoolshow]

I think allowing punches to the face in exchange for wearing small gloves is more realistic than going bare knuckle but not allowing punches to the face. Gloves only protect your opponent from getting cut and your hand from breaking which isn’t much of an issue with body punches. The trade off of standing in front of your opponent and just throwing/eating shots without much defense to the head other than for kicks isn’t a realistic way to fight

[@nippertipper7686]

It's absurd that not striking the head was considered more realistic that knuckle protection

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

@@nippertipper7686 Kyokushin with head punchs and gloves are literally Muay Thai maybe Oyama wanted his style be exclusive I don't know.

[@chaos_omega]

Doesn't karate include a number of open hand strikes, like palm strikes and knife hands? I feel like those would cause less lacerations than knuckles. Those types of strikes should be allowed to the head, and closed fist to the body only (arms and legs too, but you don't see a lot of leg punches... lol)

[@jakes.7889]

no full contact and you call this muay thai. And you just said it is so annoying to watch. Yes it is.

[@antonydrossos5719]

Damn, bro, glad you got your channel back! You’re providing a very vital service for traditional martial artists

[@johnnyholtzhausen3493]

? No punching in face 😮😮

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Fun fact: this karateka, at least according to the video that I originally saw this footage from, is a Seido Juku fighter, which actually allows head strikes iirc

[@FightCommentary]

That's so interesting!

[@dandruff3414]

Interesting why face punches are not allowed if that's the case

[@RedFoxGrappler]

@@dandruff3414 because I believe this tournament is using Kyokushin rules, so neither the Seido Karateka nor the Nak Muays are allowed to strike the face

[@dandruff3414]

@@RedFoxGrappler i meant to say why did they use kyokushin ruleset if the karateka also trained headstrike.

[@SpaceWindu]

Like you said at the beginning of the video, it should not be Kyokushin rules if they are wearing gloves. At my Kyokushin dojo, if we are wearing gloves, you can punch to the face. Kyokushin is usually bare knuckle fighting,... hence the no face punch rule.

[@dandruff3414]

There are rulesets of Kyokushin where face punches are allowed. They are called "Jissen kumite" and "shinken shobu". These rulesets should have been used in this match instead.

[@neokimchi]

Yeah it actually makes a huge difference. Attacking the body around people's arms is way harder when you're both wearing gloves-- your hands are too big to slip through, and their hands are big enough to guard passively effectively.

[@peterfan8650]

I don't see the point of having Kyokushin rules if you are going to have gloves. Kyokushin rules are there to protect the head from bare fist shots but if you are going to have gloves test your overall skills.

[@garyhand1982]

Of course there is a point, to put the fight in facvur of the karate,the first Guy getting knocked out otherwise with his chin in the air throwing typical karate tippy tappy arm punches.

[@catspaw]

I think you're overestimating the protection that gloves afford to the person being hit. They are there primarily to prevent your hands from getting injured. Getting blasted in the face with 16 oz gloves is only slightly better than getting blasted in the face with bare hands. That being said, this ruleset is definitely more favorable to the karateka.

[@KeyserSoze23]

Muay Thai without head punches, elbows or clinching is not Muay Thai. This is Kyokushin with one guy in Thai shorts at this point.

[@combatsportsarchive7632]

remember there was a dbag called @Tespri calling me and all Kyokushin dojos "scammers" when I explained to him why Kyokushin's bareknuckle ruleset forbids punches to the head. Even bareknuckle boxing from the Victorian Era had the same restriction to protect their fighters' knuckles from getting broken by hitting at other's skull. I am not a kyokushin guy but I see the value in their bareknuckle fighting. Thesedays, they have gloved rulesets for head punches lile Shinken Shobu and K-2 or Shin Karate.

[@MartyFromDagestan]

"But muh bkfc" -Tespri probably (dunno who that is but lol)

[@nusmacronus]

A nice fight. Fair, clean, with the both respective good spirits in respect each art. 👍

[@COACH_ANTHONY_MMA]

We really need to see muay thai against any other striking art Muay thai rules.

[@imyarek4531]

> Kyokushin Rules > Fighters in gloves

[@neokimchi]

The gloves are a huge compromise

[@jaiquanfayson1099]

​@neokimchi why? I've done plenty of sparring with boxing gloves in the gym and while you can't grab as effectively, you can still in fact clench pretty easily

[@antoniostrina82]

It's so strange that Thai fighters have to fight under other technique's rules while I never seen the opposite.

[@CasaFassa]

Exactly. Never happens!

[@emilianosintarias7337]

that happens to almost every martial art we are just so used to it we see those banned techniques as a given.

[@antoniostrina82]

@@emilianosintarias7337 They know that Muay Thai is even stronger under their rules, so they are scared to fight against Thai boxers.

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

​​@@antoniostrina82The Diamond of Kyokushin Peter Smit beat a Legend of Muay Thai in Thailand with their rules, It depend of the fighter some guys can fight under any rules.

[@antoniostrina82]

​@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh Indeed, but "One swallow doesn't make spring". Generally, other martial arts lack of hard and real fight, basing all their training on shadow boxing. This is why, generally, other martial artists prefer not to fight with Muay Thai rules, in my opinion. They're admitting, indirectly, their inability to have a confrontation in an actual fight. Despite that, I know that there are Shinken Shobu trained Kyokushin fighters that are trained like Thai boxers, and this is an added value.

[@moobysnaxx6086]

I still don't understand how kyokushin always kind of considers itself a rival of muay thai and never develop techniques with or against clinch

[@cahallo5964]

Most of the outshoots of kyokushin split because of the slow outlawing of the clinch, if you see 70s to the 2010s to be fair they do clinch and throw, now they get dqd for catching kicks lmao. If you see the first encounter between the thais and kyokushinka the japanese actually tossed them around in the clinch lol.

[@Pifagorass]

Want see clinch, wach Ashihara karate or Enshin karate.

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

In Classic Kyokushin have good Throws and they are strong in clinch because they can Takedown in the Clinch.

[@brdr6012]

Our tournaments permit two seconds of single handed clinch work. Because of that limitation, unfortunately a lot of our fighters simply ignore the potential for collar ties, sweeps, etc. Enshin Karate and Ashihara have been better about this

[@jaypoison]

Depends on the federations, for real. I'm in IKO-1 and the rules are slowly going back to allow some clinching, but it's a grey area and referees aren't used to it. Some offshoots already do it, but I figure they'll add more with time.

[@jdiaz4877]

This rule set is very frustrating but I think the Muay Thai girl found the loop-hole. LOL

[@shadowlancer45]

true. beside when it comes to gloved, padded or cushioned fighting muay thai always wins.

[@dmfaccount1272]

Actual kyokushin rules ban the plum. Only brief grabs of the uniform are allowed not full clinch.

[@KungfuKhronicles]

Muay thai clinching and knees truly making the difference in those last rounds 👍🏾👊🏾

[@timmartin638]

Muay Thai is the ultimate combat. They have to dumb down the rules to other fighters can be safe I would not even agree to this if I was a Muay Thai guy

[@toyoseries]

*coughs in Vale Tudo*

[@MartyFromDagestan]

​@@toyoseries isn't vale tudo just early Brazilian mma?

[@jawz2005]

Yeah that’s why MT fighters dominate mma right hahah 😂

[@emilianosintarias7337]

but it's a worse overall art due to the plodding strategy and the injuries. What's the point of taking brain damage if the idea is supposed to be to protect yourself? It's a good training method, if someone was serious about say karate, they should cross train Muay thai for a few years at least.

[@barryjohn5936]

Why has a pure Muay Thai never won ufc then if they have to tone it down ?

[@iamdownhere1]

This is in New Zealand. It’s my Muay Thai club, V.U.W Kickboxing. We weren’t allowed to punch to the head but we were allowed to knee to the head. I commented on a video posted a few months back.

[@FightCommentary]

Do you guys still hold these inter style events?

[@iamdownhere1]

@@FightCommentaryNo unfortunately. We had about 3 of these karate versus kickboxing nights.

[@HiroIndo16]

Isn't knee to the head much more dangerous lmfao

[@iamdownhere1]

@@HiroIndo16 Absolutely, we didn’t even insist on it. This was the first time this event happened. I think they took away knees to the head in the future events, but kept knees to the body.

[@neokimchi]

​@@iamdownhere1odd because in general knees to the head are perfectly legal in kyokushin and actually a major technique at high levels. Clinch usually is much more limited though

[@Autonamatonamaton]

One strike the first karateka was consistently landing was that right body kick, you could see the red marks along the MT fighter's side, but unfortunately it's not a super damaging strike

[@Pifagorass]

I do Shinkiokushin instead of Muithai fighting just because don't want my face getting smashed - longevity 😂

[@neokimchi]

Ppl don't understand how big of a factor that should be when picking a martial art. Head trauma is head trauma

[@Alemag_]

Came hear to listen to your pronounciation of "Karateka". Stayed for the fights.

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

Kyokushin Rules limit the fighters I prefer Ashihara kaikan Karate, Seidokaikan variations of Kyokushin but Full Contact and are superior against other strikers styles.

[@angelloakira]

Hey I just went to open palm martial arts today. I recorded my self training. And others. I got kung fu vs kickboxing Karate vs kickboxing And muy Thai vs kickboxing I would like to send them to you after I edit the videos a bit

[@FightCommentary]

That is awesome! And looking forward to seeing the videos!

[@angelloakira]

@@FightCommentary I'll message you in fb

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

Oyama challenged Muay Thai in 1963 in Thailand in enemy territory and accepted that his students fought under the rules of Muay Thai, Kyokushin is about Courage, Honor and never retreat.

[@allafleche]

Kyokushin rules are the most ridiculous of all contact sports

[@geekygangsta]

1st fighter's feints won't work too much because the karateka is not afraid to get punched in the face. A huge part of feinting is believing the attack will actually come.

[@jacksolarmusicmastering]

10:46 i legit dont understand using this kick, it never remotely ever landed yet she tries to keep using it, it really shows that its about the practitioner and not the martial art itself

[@Freshprinceofottawa]

@@jacksolarmusicmastering learning experience, she tried throwing a spin kick but it was too slow and didn’t land, instead the Thai boxer swept her leg. The point of spin kicks or hook kicks are to land as quickly as possible so you don’t get tripped

[@CasaFassa]

Wow gotta be the dumbest rule set for muay thai to concede to. Pretty much takes away all his tools and allows this karate guy to keep forward without requiring much defense.

[@brdr6012]

I think it was a fair trade. No face punches, but they got longer clinches and everyone had to wear gloves. Both parties had to adjust, and everyone fought bravely.

[@CasaFassa]

@@brdr6012 This is literally the rule set this karate guy fights. The Thai boxer can’t box (just this body shots spam) no clinch, no throws, no elbows i guess knees but you can’t grab and knee so meh. None of these other martial arts ever do full muay thai.

[@AlexHellene]

It's not exactly Kyokushin rules, since they're wearing boxing gloves, and Kyokushin fights are bare knuckle. It's basically a hybrid of Muay Thai with Kyokushin Karate rules.

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

Oyama the creator of Kyokushin was a Boxer before he create his own fight style, I don't know why he banished the punchs in the head.

[@mysticramen4104]

Just beacuse of the bare knuckle thing, if there were face punches bare knuckle they would always be destroying their faces. In my opinion, i understand that brain damage is a thing even with big gloves, but on the other hand it also waters down the style, so i think it would've been better to add some good protections like the kudo helmet and gloves if they wanted to protect the fighters better while keeping the style effective.

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

@@mysticramen4104 Kyokushin guys who want fight full contact start fighting Kickboxing because more money and less restriction we have some Good Kyokushin fighters back in K1.

[@gretashapiro4118]

If you watch old challenge matches, they readily punched to the face

[@CenobitePriest]

Are elbows allowed in the rules? Obviously not to the face but sternum, coler bone or to the femer if you catch a kick. Probably not but I'm just wondering.

[@neokimchi]

Yes. Maybe not in these particular matches but kyokushin in general does allow them to the body. But ppl often don't throw because of risk of fouling to the head

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZbcd5qQoL1nmZosi=Sd6CcpjF9pEWeSRH - That's the spirit of a True Kyokushin fighter and Kyokushin are about strong punchs not weak punchs.

[@baconking9139]

Best well rounded martial art combo is... Eskrima, Mauy Thai, Wrestling... Your good in most situations

[@mikea7732]

Kyokushin...karate and tkd should be paired with judo or bjj. The clinch should be open. That would be fair. Basically karate should look like sanda. Sanda > Muay Thai in open rule sets

[@Plantaman]

I'm stunned that kk guys always get other fighters to adhere to kk rules.

[@mandateonmandalay7632]

At the end of this month, we have a match with Kyokushin Vs Lethwei fight. But we will fight under Lethwei rule with the supervision of legendary former Lethwei champion Lone Chaw. This is the only way to prove some Kyokushin guys are suck and we kyoukushin karateka were comfortable with punching or elbow into the face as well under any rule.

[@FightCommentary]

Please send me when it happens!

[@mandateonmandalay7632]

@@FightCommentary Yes I definitely will.

[@mandateonmandalay7632]

@@FightCommentary I just sent you the footage brother. Have a nice day.

[@erikklase6613]

I always love the aggressive style of kyokushin and if the practice more sweeps and face shots however Muay Thai is just as sweet

[@majulitocosido7026]

That Muay Thai fighter is like fighting with a handicap because of the rules of the karate...it should a fight using both rules to know who's the best fighter.

[@chrisdudedurian1305]

Kyokushin rules are basically basically every highschool fight 😂

[@RavageEffex]

The first match what's the Muay Thai guy doing I've never seen a Thai fighter block that way he was getting overwhelmed

[@neokimchi]

I wouldn't call this kyokushin rules. definitely hybrid. Extended clinch is not allowed in kyokushin (you can usually grab and throw a knee though), and big gloves make a huge difference when you can only attack the body--huge disadvantage for the attacker as you can't get through the guard as easily and advantage for the defender bc you can just block everything more easily with gloves. In semi knockdown (kyokushin rules but with gear), you usually are only allowed to use small gloves, like mma or tkd gloves. These differences are enough that i would say this is def not kyokushin rules, even if other kyokushin folks might think so

[@MrRourk]

I wonder which one the Karate Guy is?

[@mysticramen4104]

This ruleset is kinda weird, kyokushin is not supposed to allow grabbing at all, not even for clinch fighting. Btw the kyokushin front kick is not a push kick, it's the typical karate mae geri, the same snapping kick that anderson silva and lyoto machida used to ko vitor belfort

[@NdowalterGrahams]

Get the best to represent their disciplines. In this respect it's hard to rule out any discipline since the event is not represented by the best.

[@Seven-not-Six]

Yea. I'm not sure how i feel about it either. Or how to improve it. It's more conditioning than anything... _watches the females_ Oh😮...I actually like the female fight more. Might have just been the karate guy. He was doing alot of pummeling. Seems like more technique was used during the female bout.

[@jacksolarmusicmastering]

03:50 lmao, i felt that

[@gavinchapple8350]

It might rule matches but probably not a street fight. The karate guy seems all flash. Landing very fast punches but they don't really seem to affect the other guy at all. Almost like pretend fight punching.

[@paulpersonaldefensesolutio653]

What is this a first week muay thai guy?

[@rt.0017]

I agree. They both seem like very weak fighters. The karate guy's body shots look so weak. Looks like amateurs.

[@TheReayning]

@1.42m wasnt even a sweep - this is a pretty sad "light sparring" session. Its definitely a very limited ruleset agreed and the karate square off will not do him any favors.

[@Pifagorass]

It's not Kiokushin rules - 2 second most of cgrip

[@Captain-Cat]

* bounds not bonds *

[@FightCommentary]

Oh man, even my correction of the phrase was incorrect XDDDDD I'm learning to talk again because I got my braces off. My mouth and tongue still don't move completely the way I'm used to XDDD

[@Captain-Cat]

@@FightCommentary haha it's all good. I couldn't resist correcting the correction 😆

[@combatsportsarchive7632]

There are better Karate styles or hybrid offshoots that can counter Muay Thai in the ring better than Kyokushin: Nippon Kempo, Kudo, and Machida Karate. How do I know? Just look at my videos and playlists which include Muay Thai.

[@FightCommentary]

Cool! I will take a look.

[@SGBIV92]

Eh, after watching this, I'm not sure if MT is that much more effective than Karate, or if that Karate woman just wasn't good enough.. I would've liked to see a better and stronger Karate woman vs that MT woman.. I could be wrong, maybe MT is just that much more effective idk.. That Karate woman just couldn't defend the head grapple... A great fighter would eventually figure it out and prevent it from happening so many times

[@kelvinwilkins8406]

Karate kicks above the belt also when he got chin kicks so you should be able to punch in the face to make it equal

[@alexeigrounin5801]

Wearing MT shorts doesn't make you a MT fighter.

[@ruggeddrelouris3597]

and some of the best Thai fighters have advanced BOXING to enhance thier Thai, if the first fighter had betterboxing he could have won EASY under Kyokushin rules

[@daniel-san836]

kyokushin gotta stop training with no strikes to the head, it ultimately does them a grave disservice

[@curtispride2768]

We see the karate guy is a black belt how much experience does Thai Guy have it doesn't look like he has a lot

[@zoltanl8056]

Shin guard, gloves? Not the kyokushinkai rules I know....😂

[@XShot117]

First match the thai fighter was low level , and I'm a more karate fan , grew up doing karate 🥋 , I really just branch off to other martial arts in 2017 era time , but I think the karate guy got tired half way threw fight But the girl was brutal all she knows is knee kicks to the face and abdomen area crazy I don't think I can't take that many knees to the face without going crazy thou id be highly mad and agitated it takes a lot of strong will for her to go threw that , she gave a fair match and strikes but the thai girl only really wanted knee kicks to the face 😢

[@HiroIndo16]

Everybody wants to fight Muay Thai, just not with Muay Thai rules

[@saulm58]

Love karate in its different styles, but I sincerely don't see the purpose of this kind of matches where one discipline is forced to not use techniques that we all know are an essential part of it. Thanks for sharing though.

[@koneos6580]

The Thai My guy doesn't seem to know much of the proper way other than kick and punch. What a joke. There were few occasion he could apply killer knee shots, elbow strikes and he missed it.

[@stuieuk2008]

No punching to the head , and no elbows then it's not muay Thai

[@SomeOne-wl6wp]

Sorry ,this time only a comment with "I dont watch fights with boring rules" Grow up with Sparring matches that always had Face punches in it :D

[@Jandro1083]

That MT guy is pretty bad. He’s putting all his weight on the front foot and leaning a bit forward, that’s a bug no no in MT

[@ikilledtheghost4844]

I must teach them Shoryuken but it's only meant for street fighters.

[@flowrepins6663]

Kyokushin rules dont allow gloves

[@TheSaint-g7t]

PRIME MUHAMMAD ALI BEATS THE TWO OF THESE GUYS TOGETHER WITH ONE ARM BEHIND HIS BACK, 95 PERCENT THESE GUYS ARE USING THEIR FISTS, ALI WOULD JUST LAUGH AT THEM. A GUY LIKE PRIME JOE FRASER, WOULD JUST WALK IN AND KNOCK THESE TWO GUYS OUT COLD. FOR YOU YOUNGSTERS WHO DON'T KNOW JOE FRASER, JUST LOOK AT HIS PRIME FIGHTS. JIMMY ELLIS VS JOE FRASER IS ONE OF THE BEST FIGHTS " FISTS OF DEATH "

[@brdr6012]

Kyokushin guy here. Seems to me that the Kyokushin fighters did not prepare themselves for wearing big boxing gloves. They should have relied on more kicks, practiced our single-hand clinches more, etc. The first guy relied on punches, not thinking about how the larger surface area meant he couldn't pierce through an elbow guard. The brown belt gal kept accurately punching her opponent right in the solar plexus, not realizing that a big glove would distribute the force away into the broader sternum area. They should have used far more kicks, especially since their opponents were practically GIVING their heads to them! They certainly fought valiantly and with great gusto, and good on them for it! But they just didn't think about the proper strategy to use. I wouldn't change the rules at all. The Thai fighters were gracious and humble to permit a rule that said no face punching or elbows. The Kyokushin fighters should have modified their strategies around the gloves.

[@jaypoison]

kyokushin guy here, fully agree. Kicks are our best friends when going into styles that have us wear gloves.

[@ricorico1541]

Karate vs silat merpati putih dari Indonesia

[@aliozdemir6749]

Eğer serbest olsalardı ☠️

[@johntay3831]

I quit kyokushin after shodan for a reason, very limited belief system.

[@jahvauntaecolbert4422]

There going easy on each other

[@ThunderChunky101]

This one was silly. Slap fight.

[@ВикторАнтонов-ш4у]

Хотел кукушин заняться, но, видя как валится чпюерный пояс.-нет.

[@gregoryfabre7471]

I really don’t see any martial arts! The karate looks impressive when it’s just demonstration but in a fight it looks so clumsy. Like they don’t know how to fight. Looks like a street fight. All the grace is lost.

[@abdaziz4527]

Wasting time... A fight with such limitation kills the audience with laughter

[@kelvinwilkins8406]

How fair is this karate is more defensive now if it was a kick boxer that guy would be done cause he has no footwork an setup both are sorry to me karate guy need to use his range

[@MrMoneyb408]

Muay Thai girl got 🎂 cake🍑

[@beastyjaygaming5188]

The kyokushin fighters throwing weak punches

[@Badge01Kenobi]

Two white belts, IMO.

[@coolColombianguy]

Nak Muay both have low experience. Their stance alone says it

[@A_Train.]

Agreed

[@LungaRedlen]

Muay thai guy not really sho about him, doesn't seem to know much about muay thai

[@lynnjohnson9178]

Kyokushin is garbage if 100% full contact. The face is sitting there begging for a concussion.

[@gregb2219]

😂😂😂😂

[@Notreallyhere817r]

This is ridiculous. How is it muay thai if they only allow low kicks and body shots. What a joke martial art 😂. This is why karate isn't taken seriously

[@joshuajtm7202]

Lol comedy

[@Jcenorientationchannel]

Bad punches skills from the karate guy

[@BD90..]

Not best Kyokoshin fighter I have seen.

[@Jcenorientationchannel]

These are inexperienced Karate fighters, very poor skills, come to Nigeria and see Karate with skills no this kind.. this guy is disgracing my cherished Karate art.

[@rt.0017]

Sorry, this looks like amateurs.

[@Metatron141]

This commentator sucks 😏

[@Faize]

Trash fighters trash rules