Karen Read, accused of killing boyfriend in Canton, in court for hearing

[@koolblue6927]

Got rid of the dog, ripped apart the basement, and sold the house. WTF?? I think the DA is stuck in a mess of a case.

[@russianaloha4576]

Plus all the new phones, deleted text, phone calls, "6 Buttdials" from Jen to John, the "buttdials" from Brian Albert to Brian Higgins, the Google searches, the list goes on & on & on. This case is freakin wild! The more I hear in court the more I believe these people in that house actually did this...And the BIGGEST thing that bothers me that no1 can answer is WHY is this trial happening IF theres an ONGOING Federal Investigation happening.... RIP John 🕊🙏❤️

[@russianaloha4576]

Plus all the new phones, the deleted calls, text & Google searches. The "6Buttdials" from Jen to John, the "2Buttdials" from Brian Albert to Brian Higgins, the deleted 2:27am Google search, all the deleted video footage from the SallyPort, the evidence collection, the closeness of the investigators to these people, the list goes on & on & on... The thing that bothers me the most that NO1 has been able to answer is WHY is this trial even happening IF theres an ONGOING Federal Investigation happening?? This Entire thing is so fishy... RIP John 🕊🙏❤️

[@koolblue6927]

@@russianaloha4576 Agreed!!

[@barrettlori9249]

Dog was trying to do more! 😮 IMO dog Chloe was being held back and only got John's arm. Brian Albert's German Shepherd w have torn John apart given the opportunity 😮

[@colemacedo-phillips5768]

Plain & simple a cover up! If people continue to chant that Karen Reid killed him after ALL of this evidence is completely insane. The judge should pronounce a mistrial!

[@WildSoftail]

I, as a college student worked part time for a K9 security company and can attest to when a trained attack dog bites, the marks on the victims arm are absolutely consistent with dog bites, scratches and abrasions, giving this argument to the defense

[@Seashea]

Seems obvious to me and i have no professional knowledge. Im hoping the defense has a good expert on their witness list

[@MountainMomma11]

I, a dog attack survivor, can testify that his arm is EXACTLY what bites from a dog can look like. Dog bites come in many shapes and sizes depending on many factors! I had clean in and out deep punctures on my inner thigh that literally ripped meat out of my leg, and on my other leg I had long deep lacerations just like Mr. Okeefes. I have not a single doubt that his arm is the result of a dog attack, it appears he was bitten viciously and many times on that arm based off the photos. No one could ever change my mind. So with that said, he was absolutely in the house and someone(s) also attacked and killed him.

[@dickfitswell3437]

And I, as a dog attack victim can attest to the two vicious dogs that mauled me, my bites and skin rips looked exactly like the ones on his arm. Exactly

[@dickfitswell3437]

​@@MountainMomma11me too. I got attacked by two grown vicious dogs that ripped my leg open and I could see my knee bones and hamstring muscles and all of my bites looked exactly like his arm. No one will change my mind either. And why did they re-home their beloved dog. I know why. So they can't measure the teeth and match them to photos. Coverup

[@mchelseama]

What about the testimony of the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine expert witness? UCD SVM is #1 in the world. She aserts that the marks are NOT dog marks or scratches. But hey, you must be right. 😅

[@AndyLong]

Imagine if this poor woman didn't have the means to hire these attorneys. What then? Prosecutors should be ashamed of themselves!

[@RETROMV]

Exactly, point well said!

[@J1c80]

It happens all the time been happening.

[@wavylos9029]

She was better off with a court appointed, she could probably claim ineffective counsel ,if it goes left , not when you have a duck 🦆 analogy , he likes the camera attention , and can’t even tame himself .

[@junebuchholtz287]

​@@wavylos9029He is passionate about the innocence of his client

[@nimue4325]

​@@junebuchholtz287 His passion is admirable. He had me at "ten rounds with Mike Tyson"!

[@linds1571]

#justiceforkarenread And may all LE and DA and anyone else involved be held accountable to the highest extent of the law.

[@Peace_and_Love_777.....]

This is the first I am hearing of this case.... Based on this hearing, if the DA thinks a Jury is going to convict her, the DA is INSANE!

[@laurenmay2098]

Insane or in the mud as much as the other. What a travesty of justice.

[@GeorgeeGirl]

Ms Missy karen looks weird

[@rmarvel169]

​@@GeorgeeGirlwhy is that necessary? Are you perfect looking? I just don't understand words like this against someone going through such a horrific time in her life !

[@primalcritters]

​@@GeorgeeGirlhow would you look if you're being railroaded by a b******* monkey trial. All the evidence against her exonerates her. Somebody in that house killed him. Doing Google searches how long does a body die in the snow? Dog bites on his body. A dog in the house that was known to bite people. This is insane I hope she is let off this is a joke of a trial

[@ericalexander5890]

Don't be too sure of that. I don't know enough to know if she's innocent, but let's say she is: a guilty verdict would therefore protect the police officers who committed the crime, were involved in the crime, and/or helped cover the crime and frame an Innocent person for the crime. There are literally tens upon tens of millions of Americans who "back the blue" no matter what. There could be a jury full of bootlickers who would definitely find her guilty if it meant that jury was helping out some bad cops. Just think about how many trials we see where the guilt of a cop is 100% indisputable, but a jury finds the obviously-guilty cop NOT guilty. Happens all the time. (I just learned of this case so this may have gone to trial already, so my comment may be moot anyway).

[@imalwaysright88]

Holy shit. This is crazy. Very scary this can happen to someone. Just gross

[@deenaeast7006]

People we need to stand up for our rights and freedoms I’m praying for this lady and I pray that she gets justice

[@karenbellerose4498]

Mrs. o’Keefe. You are his MOTHER!!!!? You know his truth so save your son and his sole while holding appropriate people accountable and that’s NOT KAREN READ. YOU JNOW CAUSE TOU feel it in your sole ❌⭕️❤️🤗😘🌻

[@Tracygirl423]

At this point with all the injustice.. she needs a go fund me and a Good Samaritan high up to step in here with the clothing, dog DNA tissue samples

[@carma459]

If you watch more videos on KZbin about officer abuse, or abuse by an officer you would be SHOCKED. They have been getting away with this for years. Only this time it has happened to one of their own.

[@lisadavie5282]

Since it was stated "strawman" in the court room its only fair i tell you Go watch "Strawman-The Nature of the Cage" Go learn and know your Birth Rights!

[@Mandible_]

Crowd in the back, intimidation much?

[@Dovelunalove]

The irony in it all. Like a gang ready to jump over the benches. They don’t even try to hide it.

[@cdnkate9902]

'Upper Crust' hooligans

[@lisadavie5282]

The LOOKS on Their Faces hearing that "Phone Records" will be part of this case. You can see the corruption brewing in the background

[@robertaprince180]

Why doesn't the judge tell these people to sit down or leave?

[@c.d714]

If a body turns up dead on my property and its quickly determined that i know said individual my house would be searched in a heartbeat. Hope the FBI gets involved.

[@joannephillips4110]

You bet it would!

[@LinTrueCrimeProject]

Can't trust them either

[@Nasdaqbaby]

already are🎉

[@eamonaugustine1262]

Can you say cover up . She did not murder him. It will also come out about a Ma State Trooper that helped to do some of the cover up

[@judygantz1005]

This case should be thrown out!! Dirty cops, most likely one of them did it!! And framed this poor lady!😢😮

[@sunshine22723]

There's no evidence of a beating.she''s guilty as charged

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@sunshine22723 he had two black eyes, a bloodied nose, and why would his fellow cop not be willing to tell him where the dog is?

[@spod414]

No evidence of a beating?? ... I'm sorry but I don't see how anyone can watch the video which CLEARLY shows his injuries and say there's no evidence of a beating 🤷🏽🙄... It's right there!!! ... The fact he had boxers fracture to his right hand along with other injuries... I mean c'mon ... Common sense tells you that wasn't done by being backed into by a car traveling in the heavy snow as the prosection claim 🙄

[@dickfitswell3437]

​​@@sunshine22723I was attacked by two vicious dogs. The bites on my legs look exactly like the bites on his arm. You don't get punctures like that from being hit by a cars taillight Edit not to mention there was a grown German Shepard at the house he died at and the owners all the sudden RE-Homed the dog. Likely so they can't get measurements of it's teeth to match to his arm

[@Mommin_Aint_Eazy]

​@sunshine22723 - 25 days into the trial, do you feel the same?? Even if she did do it, I feel that there is SO much reasonable doubt. The prosecution is the one with the burden of proof, and they haven't won me over - just my opinion! 😊

[@lexala]

This bog-trotting judge SUCKS! Do your job and do it right! More and more are hearing about this injustice and we are all watching you. Get it together.

[@vitalucas9452]

Bog trotting? Please translate.

[@RJ67.]

This is why we need to be able to vote judges out

[@B_Bodziak]

The thing is that judges have judicial immunity (same as members of Congress) and it's more protective than qualified immunity held by police officers. You'd have to get a judge on tape accepting a bribe in exchange for dismissing or purposely ruling in a particular way on a motion in order to get a judge impeached and off of the bench... Is she an elected or appointed judge?

[@MissteryDiva]

@lexala Judge's brother defended Albert- biased & conflict of interest ‼️

[@staceyw.6608]

@@MissteryDiva in what case? What's his name?

[@doreeneclose6295]

The dog puncture wounds would have likely contained canine saliva. The missing 2 minutes of library tape alone should cause this case to be summarily dismissed.

[@MollyZelko2.0]

She’s got great attys. The one speaking feels very honest and like he knows he’s fighting for an innocent client.

[@Dildoswaggins420]

Her lawyers are shit lmao 😂

[@linds1571]

Right. That’s clearly because she’s innocent. The cops can really ruin anyone’s life on any given day and it’s terrifying.

[@chrismclellanart]

Right all lawyer do that

[@Vinny_2157]

Yes, and the prosecuting lawyer sounds like a guy who’s drowning and knows he’s fucked, leaving out key points in most areas, talking in circles, not confident. It’s just so clear and obvious that something else happened that night, and someone or a few different people need to be investigated for the murder of Okeefe.

[@GrizzlyUrsusArctos]

Look up who they’ve defended

[@felicityholmes9072]

"This is the video we received and this is the video we sent to defense". (with two missing minutes). CORRUPT PROSECUTION

[@LatinaLatina1011]

At its finest . You can smell the corruption from newYork

[@MassBorn]

It's disgraceful, the owner of the house, retired, ripped up his floor in the basement, sold the house and got rid of the dog. It's astounding the prosecutions office are that ignorant to push an innocent person with WHAT THEY KNOW IS BS ...smh incredible

[@spod414]

If the prosection office is soo confident they have a solid case and are confident that the evidence they have completely back up their theory then why aren't they asking the common sense questions of where are the 2 minutes that are missing from the cctv footage?? ... Why aren't they asking why the homeowners replaced the basement floor and got rid of the dog then sold the house ??.. why are they trying to make other excuses as to the injuries to Officer O'Keefe??... It's absolutely disgraceful, the corruption and the way they are framing a completely innocent woman!! ... & I can say that with confidence because none of the evidence supports the prosection but does support the defense!!

[@slaws2279]

I think the police had possession of it first and effed around with it before giving it to the prosecution.

[@rmarvel169]

They know exactly what they're doing! Protecting a whole lot of ppl that think they are something special !​@@MassBorn

[@vikaz3408]

Defense lawyer is good, while the prosecutor sounds like trying to give excuses!

[@MassBorn]

Prosecuter is dancing for that judge and it seems like she's loving it ..smh

[@MassBorn]

Omg the video had a gap missing? WOW CORRUPTION 💯

[@AprilGay]

Prosecution has no hand! If cameras weren't in the courtroom this would have been over already..

[@Panda-r8n]

Loving the Defence They are picking holes in all statements

[@MassBorn]

@mandyrayner783 I gotta say the prosecutors witnesses are only helping the defense. Jm for example made it so obvious she was trying to point the finger at karen but all the evidence points to her family, in my oppinion it points to colin and they covered it up. JM was disgraceful, cold it was obvious her harassment felt worse then losing her "friend"

[@summerd8952]

Watching THIS a year later, the Prosecution/State should be sorely embarrassed and I expect to witness huge compensation from the State to swiftly follow her INNOCENCE! And custody of the dog and Collin Albert…not to mention the “McAlbert’s” who have been consistent on only one thing, that “John & Karen never entered the house”, admittedly by the text message entered in court! Albert, the retired cop and first responder/owner of the house even while knowing there was a man on his lawn in the snow, admittedly NEVER WENT OUTSIDE to see for himself if this person needed help??? (The first responder’s I know typically run into the fires and NOT stay away from them as they ignored going to serve John O’Keefe outside.) Lots of inappropriate actions and inactions by these families to cover for the hot headed son of Albert, Collin, imho. Free Karen Read. Prosecute the liars, those who covered up what really happened and cover her costs and then some. Justice for John O’Keefe. My prayers go to the O’Keefe’s as well, as they also endure the loss of their loved one and are denied justice in this process. None of this regarding Karen Read makes any sense. Make it right Massachusetts. Thankfully Karen Read has excellent representation to help her. Mercy. 😮

[@sherrisonnier1857]

If the prosecution isn't trying to hide something then they should have no problem in giving the defense all the information that the defense is asking for.

[@minibikemadman]

her lawyers are great! thanks to turtleboy for digging deeper and showing what scumbags these people are and how they tried to frame an innocent woman. If you don't think those bites and scratches aren't from a dog...ya gotta check yourself.

[@wavylos9029]

If you think that her lawyers are great 😅 you don’t have a clue what legal strategy is … for one you don’t show up with a bulletin board , all he was missing was a pointing stick , waiving it around as if he was @ an Opera show 🤭😂

[@wavylos9029]

You want a Lawyer that will fight and do it’s job , you see that man with a pink tie sitting on the bench (has his arms crossed) he wants to jump up and say what are you doing 😂

[@nadinekeating3255]

So he was attacked and killed by a "large animal" (those are the words used by the defense), yet it only attacked his arm? He was killed by having his arm scratched? 🙄 If this is a death by an animal attack, where are his fatal wounds?

[@thebronx-kr9ns]

😂😂

[@chimchim5503]

​@@nadinekeating325538:52.. the defense team explains the dog ..they never said the dog killed him try listening again

[@franciscovasquez6170]

Got rid of the dog, tore out the floor, and sold the house 😳 !!!!! Come on now

[@stevengallant6363]

From what I understand they Sold the house ( where John was murdered) for far under market value... They got rid of their dog, Chloe, of seven years... Many things point to this being a cover up and to Karen's innocent. Actually Karen should have never been charged at all.

[@LatinaLatina1011]

@@stevengallant6363 100 percent this poor girl

[@LatinaLatina1011]

@@stevengallant6363 don’t forget Jen McCabe googled at227 am . How long to die in cold . Who the f&&& googles that at 2 in the morning

[@lisainman2253]

💯 correct

[@Nunya-t4b]

The family home the Albert brothers’ parents BUILT at that!

[@mainejournalnews8737]

That judge couldn’t wait for that hearing to end. She just wanted to get out of there. Thankfully, now that the Feds are involved, the Judge will have to follow the straight and narrow because she is now under intense scrutiny.

[@junebuchholtz287]

Awful that she acted that way!! Let's hope she is honest

[@KaraLynnJack]

Right, as she should be!

[@Zazu1776]

That was a joke right? You think that poor girl is going to trust the most corrupt government agency in the country other then the presidents administration? The FBI are not going to find anything wrong with the investigation that was done, because they are trying to cover their own asses right now..

[@Jazzigaylen]

@@junebuchholtz287 on a cold day in hell.

[@annacox4146]

Judge Auntie Bev, she's as corrupt as the rest of them.

[@doygazgar]

This judge should've been removed because throughout this trial, she has shown nothing but contempt for the defence and is 100% biased?

[@MissteryDiva]

@doygazgar Judge's brother defended Albert- Biased & a conflict of interest!

[@doygazgar]

@MISSTERYDIVA definitely..absolutely disgusting

[@diana57799]

Agreed they need a new judge immediately!

[@colettejaques2559]

Defense? The judge is professional and following the law

[@doygazgar]

@@colettejaques2559 OBJECTION

[@bobc596]

The Albert crime family and their counterparts are on full display here. Thank you @Turtleboylive for bringing this corruption to light.

[@sherricollins6503]

People are tired of all this bs corruption across this country the way our police department thinks there above the law and they rely on brotherhood to back them up.

[@mrsalilg]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXzPoYV9a9mqm9E

[@J1c80]

It's so disgusting that the Prosecution is being complicit in the cover & the Framing of Ms Karen Read . The corruption runs so deep in this case it would probably be sound to over the top for a movie

[@kathismith7441]

Why would anyone put their own professional license in jeopardy for anyone?? Doesn’t make sense?

[@Peace_and_Love_777.....]

​@@kathismith7441 .... Covers ups happen in small ways from the minute they arrive on scene in multiple ways by multiple people... by staging, not using normal protocols, missing/not collecting evidence, co-conspirators, etc.... and once these DA's file charges, they never back out of them.... they would rather leave innocent people in jail... just like your VP Kamala Harris did...

[@heatherann1560]

You got all that from this video?

[@kathismith7441]

@@heatherann1560 well yeah

[@Lisa-hc3uq]

​@@kathismith7441 It happens all the time kathi. People commit murder, they rob banks, they rape, they assault. People put thier lives, livelihoods, reputations on the line every time they commit a crime. Just because someone wears a badge, doesn't make them exempt from putting their jobs in jeopardy by committing a crime and covering it up. We do hold police to a high level of authority, yes, but they are a brotherhood and can stand firm on supporting their fellow officer in questionable circumstances. This case is going to be interesting. I had no idea how this incident happened, only that the police officer was found dead outside a home and possibly backed over and killed by his girlfriend.

[@chicago1779]

Thank god she has this defense team they are brilliant

[@linds1571]

Those are clearly not abrasions caused by blunt force trauma. That’s ludicrous.

[@B_Bodziak]

I don't understand why a fellow police officer won't just tell the defense where the dog is... A bit suspicious the dog was rehomed and out of state right after the defense asked the ME if there was any evidence those marks could be from a dog.

[@J1c80]

The District Attorney & All those people Standing up in the Court Room are not interested in Justice for John O'Keefe they are only interested in covering up for the Albert Family . totally disgusting.

[@PostalWorker14]

Why would someone risk their career to cover up crime ? Insane

[@PostalWorker14]

I can tell both parties have a lot of support

[@PostalWorker14]

Getting rid of dog and remodeling basement fishy

[@junebuchholtz287]

​@@PostalWorker14 Sadly they do

[@justkim9827]

​@@PostalWorker14 why would someone risk their career to commit a crime? Cops look out for each other. He was found dead at a fellow cops house. A fellow cop who happens to be a k9 officer and the deceased has bite marks. The cops essentially control the evidence. Certain evidence seems to have been planted and other exculpatory evidence is being kept. My point being the crime happened and it's equally plausible that a cop may use his advantages as a cop to cover up a crime he committed so he doesn't loose his life and career.

[@lostallhope675]

So the video of her car is missing, where she is passing by the hospital with full view of her taillight? And the owner of the dog, no longer has that dog???? Suspicious much!!!

[@Nonukes2024]

Turtle Boy... All because 1 Man....All by himself...... ASKED THE QUESTION........THIS IS JUSTICE...?? CANTON PD ...." FISHES ON THE HOOK. " BEAUTIFUL QUOTE

[@melissamctighe]

This is a disgrace for Norfolk County and the State of Massachusetts! Do the right thing for once and dismiss this case, and arrest the real murderers!!!

[@averyshenandoah1637]

Lol she left that man at that home she didn’t even k ow he went in or not lol left drunk as a skunk went home and went to bed lol

[@melissamctighe]

@@averyshenandoah1637 she knew he went in asshat! Also she definitely wasn’t drunk as a skunk, but I must have missed that you were there since you seem to have such first hand knowledge. If her bf wants to stay out and party and she doesn’t feel good…she can’t go to bed?

[@JM37373]

@@averyshenandoah1637 ☝Exactly this!👆

[@frankieki]

@averyshenandoah1637 “lol” doesn’t mean or prove she ran him over and/or MURDERED HIM. The physical evidence shows otherwise and the witness (Brian Nagel testified) that he saw her pull out and drive away from the house says otherwise! So many other facts make it scream COVER-UP!

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@averyshenandoah1637 yeah, that's exactly what she said, too.

[@maureens100]

No way a cocktail glass did that to his arm....there is a cover-up here...clearly evident...wow

[@sarahallenhumboldt2638]

The quality of this video is quite impressive, and unusual for courtroom footage.....high quality audio, bright and clear visually; kudos!

[@KaraLynnJack]

Yes, I agree!

[@firecrackerjaxki]

This is horrific 😢, dirty lyingBoston cops, setting up this innocent woman... This case better b dropped

[@paulferreira8342]

Not nearly enough. Officer O’keefe’s killers and all of their accomplices need to be locked up for decades.

[@lovepet4565]

They have been a corrupt for a long long time This is so unfair to Her They probably broke her tail light to frame her

[@cindyames3133]

So how he die then?

[@paulferreira8342]

@@cindyames3133 Beaten to death in the basement, it appears.

[@lovepet4565]

@@cindyames3133 beat up, by fellow cops

[@frankiebee57]

Two minutes of missing video. 15 months testing DNA. This has coverup all over it.

[@mscola757]

Why did this even go to trial ? Free Karen Read

[@timothyhayes9990]

Sounds like crooked da and bad cops, case of bad people creeping into authority positions, it happens very often sad, God bless her

[@deenaeast7006]

Happened to my family

[@OHiYoCHIC]

Throw in a judge that is related to the Al sets and you have a complete cluster fk

[@anntrope491]

Think the defense has proved reasonable doubt.

[@kathismith7441]

Proved reasonable doubt? Not yet

[@vagariousedits5306]

💯

[@B_Bodziak]

Not the trial.

[@cdnkate9902]

reasonable doubt is all over this ...

[@TuMadre-q6l]

That judge seemed like she had better things to do. “Is this hearing over?”. Well sorry to disturb you, your honor🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@tacham4533]

No not even close to over

[@zee-lz3en]

She drinks a lot

[@OHiYoCHIC]

Aunt Bev has real issues

[@Seashea]

Now in trial same thing. Always seems like its the last place on earth she wants to be

[@MissteryDiva]

Judge's brother defended Albert- biased & a conflict of interest

[@helenazalom4301]

An outrage. These crooked cops need to be charged immediately. This woman is clearly innocent. How scary that this can happen. Karen Read will never regain what she has lost. Even beyond the loss of her fiancée, she’s lost so much.

[@nettejohnson7492]

The cops are following 'orders' from the DA$ and AG$ OFFice$ and the Judge is their rubber stamper as they all work for the STATE who$ comPENsation and perks$ are the 'minion' of the body of the BEA$T is CONgre$$ who is chock full of lawYER poliTICianS$ who destroyed the separation of powers$ between all branCHES$ and lEVEls of gOVERnMEnts$ as the BAR CLUB$ are self governed by lawYER poliTICianS$ ~ wink wink

[@Brrrettt]

Until proven otherwise. I agree

[@tinab3627]

She can hopefully sue them for damages

[@BrendaSelzer]

Clearly???

[@paperinik69]

Clearly based on what?

[@Gemma2269]

Love that the corruption of these people is coming out.

[@KaraLynnJack]

God Bless her, and please help her and her attorneys to bring the truth to light so that justice can be served.

[@zm987]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@carmenadderly4305]

Amen 🙏

[@GrizzlyUrsusArctos]

God will definitely be the one truly judging her

[@GingerNinja1]

They accused her of backing into him, while the news shows a dent on her FRONT fender...not her back fender. This case is insane & shocking that the prosecuter is actively pursuing charges against this woman. & the defense not having access to all the evidence including her cars internal gps system is just crazy! Where are the ring door bell or Google Nest cams when you need them!

[@kathismith7441]

Back right fender not front fender

[@topher3178]

The cop that lives across the street from The Alberts ring camera mysteriously was not working that night.

[@heatherann1560]

Back fender not front 🙄

[@heatherann1560]

​@@topher3178 That happens alot actually

[@topher3178]

@@heatherann1560 really ? I’ve never experienced that. It was also working an hour before the drop off

[@VioletWings1353]

I'm listening to the prosecutor in the hearing today and coming to comment this. The Doctor or Nurse who documented the initial hospital assessment is either sloppy or a moron. The prosecutor read part of the physical assessment and stated positive breathe sounds bilaterally and pulse less. You can't have positive breathe sounds and be pulse less as you can't breathe without having a pulse. Or is the prosecutor reading the report wrong. 🤔

[@GingerNinja1]

@purplegirl1353 You are absolutely correct! That's one of the things discussed in the cpr for healthcare providers class. It's sort of a longstanding joke with one of the trick questions on the test being "what do you do if a victim is breathing, but has no pulse." They laugh & advise you to run bc it's not human! It's impossible for a patient to breathe without a pulse.

[@kathismith7441]

@Losing faith who’d cover it up and for what?

[@nickbrown6694]

​@@kathismith7441well, WHO would, I'd assume would be the actual killer would want to cover it up. The WHY is because he was in law enforcement....he probably had dirt on some co or threatened to turn someone in for something they did, etc, but they killed him to protect themselves. It's not unlikely....crooked cops will use their badge to get away with the fact they are criminals

[@junebuchholtz287]

​@@losingfaith7567BOTH

[@rrt401]

Actually, they would document positive. Bilateral breath sounds. When a patient is coding, they are intubated, once intubated, you must auscultate and ensure that the endotracheal tube is in the right spot. You document bilateral breath sounds when you are being manually ventilated, which I’m sure he was.

[@paulferreira8342]

Turtleboy should get a Pulitzer Prize. 🐢 This whole story is outrageous beyond belief. No confidence in the justice system.

[@GingerNinja1]

NM I understand now.

[@kathismith7441]

Why?

[@lesliefortie8347]

@@kathismith7441 it is a lot of information to go through to explain the cover up and why here. You and research on your own. Google Turtle Boy Canton Cover up. I think he has done 30 posts as of today. You can read about everything there.

[@estrella5935]

🐢 🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢

[@mrsalilg]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXzPoYV9a9mqm9E

[@carolynsherman3439]

I have no idea whether she is guilty or not. I will have to see the trial before I can assess her guilt or innocence.

[@davecardona7962]

Defense attorneys is great he is confident and not scared to argue the facts. Only advice is buddy get yourself some bodyguards cops covering things up can lead to more serious crimes.

[@aSavagePrincess]

Anyone who has seen wounds from a dog attack can clearly tell these are the same. She's got a hard case to prove. Because she's up against LE. 20yrs ago, she wouldn't stand a chance but because of technology, the public has seen the police in a different light. She definitely has outstanding attorneys fighting for her & evidence in her favor. This is going to be an interesting trial to watch!0

[@deenaeast7006]

Well not exactly, people are still struggling with LE , hence the reason she was charged, her constitutional rights were violated

[@julin2rs548]

I do not agree that these injuries come from a bite from a German Shepherd. (I used to have one but that irrelevant.) I can not find any pictures of a bite mark on the internet that even come close to what the victim's injuries are. Bites from dogs are puncture marks and/or from bite imprints from both the top and bottom teeth. I am not saying she is guilty but those are not bite marks.

[@diana57799]

I watch more and more of Karen trials and bingo it's a cover up from Canton police and state troopers..... It made sense

[@aSavagePrincess]

@@diana57799 💯%

[@monicarenee7949]

@@julin2rs548 looks more like the dog scratched him and didn’t fully bite down.

[@maureens100]

Someone beat him....moved him....blamed her.....COVER UP

[@pattystueber9655]

I agree! and Collin was involved along with Brian albert. In my opinion

[@yogabee2222]

And Chloe 😮

[@colettejaques2559]

😂

[@laraespeaks]

💯

[@scottie2hot]

@@colettejaques2559what’s funny?

[@SF-ce1qn]

Dog owner admits he has a mean dog, the owner is mean as well. Huge sign of what happened.

[@nettejohnson7492]

Whoever assessed the body is incompetent as no human can have breath sounds and be pulseless. Swollen eyes w/o bruising is not due to a skull fracture. Scratches in a linear pattern is not due from blunt force trauma. Deep bruising on the hands of the deceased prove that he was in a fist fight with his attacker. The prosecutors office has no case against this female defendant > case dismissed and Judging from the comments here > WE the People have spoken!

[@rrt401]

He was probably coding and intubated. When you are coding, they are manually ventilating you and you must ensure that the endotracheal tube is actually in the lungs and you must document that you auscultate bilateral breath Sounds while doing so -just saying.

[@tiredofitall9213]

Damn... I usually watch these types of hearings and always roll my eyes at the defense, but this...this case is different. There are so many questions unanswered and it looks like they might have the wring person charged! There is no way all of those points the defense made are coincidences. Those marks on the victim's arm do not look like trauma from being hit by a car.

[@laurenmay2098]

Me too, first time ever I agree with the defense about their claims.

[@monicasilvs4084]

Exactly 💯. Justice for Karen!!

[@marilynwaaldijk_howell1320]

I'm so surprised that THIS young woman is sitting in prison because it's so obvious THESE injuries were not caused by vehicle but by other things..

[@tomjones5762]

I think she is out on bail. She walked into the courtroom.

[@robertcosta6967]

​@@tomjones5762 Yes correct. Out on bail. Not a flight risk

[@GrizzlyUrsusArctos]

She’s out on bail doing press runs and tv shows

[@Test-le3dz]

They can't step outside their cop gang mentality and do the right thing. They need to protect their thin blue line privilege.

[@laurenmay2098]

They didn’t had to frame her, all they had to do is not to investigate the case right, not finding anyone to blame. But this is a very serious matter to frame someone, criminal as well.

[@B_Bodziak]

​@laurenmay2098 he was a cop. They have to find someone to blame and that someone they blame isn't going to be another cop on the same force.

[@Seashea]

Cowards not stepping up and telling the truth. Trying to send an innocent woman to prison for life. Maybe they are hoping she gets acquitted

[@GGGolferGirl]

I cant wait to hear the autopsy results from the coroner the defense hired! Someone really noted that upon arrival to the Samaritan hospital that he had bilateral lung sounds, but was pulseless? 👀😬 Ma'am you need to go back to nursing school 101. You cant have bilateral lung sounds if you are pulseless 🤦🏼‍♀️ I'm new to this case, I've got lots of researching to do. I've worked in the medical field my entire life. That is NOT road rash, or injury caused by blunt force trauma. A blunt force trauma injury would be something similar to getting hit with a bat. You couldn't get those variations of scratches on his arm from a blunt force injury. The injury to his orbital area would be a blunt force injury (maybe he got punched in the eye, or hit with a bat in the eye, etc). From just hearing this small snippet of this case, there's so much reasonable doubt already! She shouldn't even be behind bars, or should have a low enough bond to allow her to bond out until trial.

[@fredfugglesworth8809]

Pretty sure she's out on bond

[@rrt401]

This is not in defense of any of these people because this is a horrendous case and coverup /framing. But if they documented he was púlseles he was likely intubated and being manually ventilated with an ambu bag. You must listen to ensure the tube is in the right place and once you do that you DO document bilateral lung sounds. That doesn’t mean he’s breathing spontaneously-just that he was intubated and the tube is in the right place.

[@dareneq1]

As a former nurse, that was my first thought: bilateral breath sounds?!?

[@debrarodriguez32]

I can't believe this bs! Did this prosecutor just say they had to prove they needed evidence? What happened to full disclosure. Those wounds on his right arm are not blunt force trauma.

[@itsjust_Lisa]

Road rash, it's unbelievable the lies Lally tells in this hearing

[@doygazgar]

This is the best defence team I've witnessed in any trial 👏 they're really good. The prosecutor is hiding so much evidence 😮 NOT GUILTY?

[@artieoleary6119]

Knowing all the evidence before watching this is actually putting me in a bad mood listening to this prosecutor lie through his teeth. Proctor isn’t compromised?

[@kenginger8051]

Kudos to the defense attorneys. I've been a civil corporate lawyer my entire career. However, after Hurricane Katrina I temporarily moved into office space of a criminal attorney. I got reeled in to assisting him on some criminal pre-trial hearings. Afterward, I said "I cannot do criminal law ever again because there is no sense of outrage by these attorneys on behalf of their presumed innocent clients." These guys showed some outrage. I feel proud.

[@looking4therealrepairmanjack]

I'd love to hear where you're from! I live on the Beautiful Mississippi Gulf Coast and went through Katrina, as well. I'm wondering if you were here or in NO or someplace close. I bet you have some interesting stories to tell!

[@bestPI-Ever]

All because of @TURTLE BOY DAILY NEWS

[@DannyD-lr5yg]

That’s how I felt watching the Menendez brothers’ lawyer. Yet every time she became incensed or emphatic, the judge glossed over her VERY valid points by telling her things like “calm down” and “be rational” 🙄 😤 The wildest moment I saw was when the prosecutor was grilling one of the brothers about possible gay relationships (in an attempt to somehow cast aspersions on the brothers’ claims of SA by their father..) The prosecutor said “well, even his own father stated that he is, in fact, a homosexual,” to which the defense attorney said “NO, he CALLED HIM A ‘F4G,’ and that is NOT THE SAME THING!” Anyways. I agree, it’s incredible to watch lawyers like this man operate. Sadly, defense attorneys who actually become invested in the outcome and _defensive_ of their client seem few and far between.

[@kenginger8051]

@@looking4therealrepairmanjack sorry for the delayed response. New Orleans!! Katrina was a bitch!!

[@jk12114]

Yes definitely, they face real threat everytime they go against the corruption .

[@mkemma1644]

One major rule I would like to see our criminal justice system change is the restriction of evidence that could prove a defendant innocence. I don’t understand why the state is arguing for suppressing evidence that could prove someone’s innocence that practice should go away.

[@MauiGirl276]

Never date a cop. Its a known rule. 🤷‍♀️

[@linds1571]

Or their grown children.

[@LovesJesusandAmericaToo]

In my 20’s in just about a year’s time….multiple police officers asked me out on a dinner dates. I said thanks but no thanks no dating cops is a rule I shall stick to!!! Lol

[@MsSassySean]

Thank you for telling me! I'll tell my grandson..

[@nettejohnson7492]

Totally agree! Cops have been given a LIcEnse to lie, cheat and steal whilst their brASS covers$ up their crimes$ to protect their own poliTICal careers$ ~ wink wink Police Chiefs answer to the MAYOR of the city or the GOVERNOR of the STATE and both are poliTICianS$ and too many are members of the BAR CLUB$ of lawYER poliTICianS$ who have no effective public oversight as they keep the public in the dARK w/their SECRET internal inVESTigations$ ~ wink wink there are no separation of powers$ anymore thaks to the BAR CLUB$ of lawYER poliTICianS$ who infiltRATed and took over our system of gOVERnMEnt$ of for and buy the BAR CLUB$ of lawYER poliTICianS$ ~ wink wink

[@MauiGirl276]

@@MsSassySean isn’t it unfortunate!? The imbalance of power and the corrupt side of that “brotherhood” mentality just makes it to unsafe. But not to worry. There’s still plenty of women out there who don’t follow the rules. Your grandson will be fine

[@sethfroman7044]

The commonwealth saying those aren’t dog bites and saying it’s a “fishing expedition” to get dog files is just insane. That’s no glass shattering cuts or road rash. It’s clearly dog bites and claw marks.

[@marilynwaaldijk_howell1320]

It appears to me that Mr O'Keefe was beaten to death by his officer so called buddies,and also attacked by that dog. If Mr O 'keefe was climbing stairs,he was running for his life, apparently running away from the PEOPLE and animal attacking him , possibly running UP and down the stairs in the basement untill he was apprehended by others,( other men), AND possibly beaten to death or beaten into a state of unconsciousness,, and left without medical assistance which would have caused his ultimate death.How in the same of sanity, is this young woman GUILTY...BY WHOSE PROCESSING,...ITS HIGHLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER CAR TO HIT A SIX FOOT TWO BIG PERSON IN THE HEAD,FROM THE LEVEL THE CAR IS ON WHILE DRIVING ON THE ROAD. I'm not a driver, I don't drive, but it's so highly impossible for that to happen......WNO IS IN CHARGE HERE,.!!???.......AND AGAIN,WHY IS THAT YOUNG WOMAN BEING ACCUSED AGAIN,.!!???... IT'S SO OBVIOUS,!!!!..¹ EVIDENCE AGAINST HER WAS PLANTED /FABRICATED AND LIES CORROBORATED AMONGST POLICE PALS. ..... SO SHAMEFUL,.!!!!!...MR O'KEEFE probably went there for one reason or another perfectly legally and stumbled onto something that he couldn't keep secret.so he was killed... WHAT A SHAME!.

[@melsafken764]

My first thought in answer to your comment, "because he was a cop".

[@marilynwaaldijk_howell1320]

DID THEY CHECK ANY OF THESE OTHER OFFICER'S HANDS FOR INJURIES THAT COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN SUSTAINED DURING A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION AKA A FIGHT,.!!?.🤔🤔🤔😳😲.

[@chimchim5503]

No because the state trooper who is investigating is a close personal friend of homeowner

[@joliekelton9770]

The homeowner and police officers son in question had skinned knuckles in a picture not long after he was killed

[@estrella5935]

One of the guys had scabs or scarring on his knuckles.

[@monicarenee7949]

Good question, my understanding is no one in the house was ever treated as a suspect

[@ssproul4217]

Look at the nervous movements of the police officers while the evidence of the arm is shown. They suddenly start looking around at each other, and the one in the front starts nervously tapping his fingers.

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

Yup!! Very telling!

[@berniecoffeydaly6047]

Saw that too

[@ofamonkeys]

Definitely

[@lawrenceartz8640]

If the dog has bit, you MUST acquit!

[@loneranger482002]

HaHa Good One!

[@angelabaird7135]

YES!!!

[@Estilove1]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jiggamortice3870]

😂👌🏼

[@lisainman2253]

YESSSSS

[@BM-tz6rh]

Can someone tell me why the people in the crowd are standing the whole time? Are they cops and cops stand the whole time? Seems pretty strange

[@VioletWings1353]

The white shirts standing are officers and the others standing are due to lack of seating.

[@tiredofitall9213]

This might not be a private hearing for just Ms. Read. There could be multiple court cases being held today. I know there can be around 20+ all in one morning. They usually give you a window of 9-11am or 1-4pm..etc. My thoughts are there are many hearings today on the docket.

[@WWG1WWGA]

​@@VioletWings1353 there is NO LACK of seating. which is obvious in the video. wtf?

[@GrizzlyUrsusArctos]

A police officer was killed they’re showing support. Like the pink shirt protesters outside and in the courtroom

[@laurenmay2098]

Every state has good cops, bad cops. But this is beyond disgusting.

[@averyshenandoah1637]

U mean she dropped him off and went back to his home couldn’t get him on the phone and went to bed lol stop it

[@jasonharris1636]

​@@averyshenandoah1637 Well said! Just like when Sarah Boone "unintentionally" went upstairs & fell asleep! 🇦🇺🍻🦘

[@Dovelunalove]

Luckily it’s obvious they will not be getting away with framing her.

[@B_Bodziak]

Massachusetts is known for police corruption.

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@averyshenandoah1637 he was at a house party and they'd just argued in the car, right? It was 1am. Would you think it weird if you'd done that with someone. It's not like she put him out of the car on the side of the highway.

[@bellestar777]

I’ve been a first responder since 2004 and let me say I haven’t heard anything about this case. Had I went to that house and seen the marks on his arm and where he was placed I’d have some serious questions about this woman’s guilt, however I would want to hear all details like the ME cause and manner but I have some reasonable doubt and I would most definitely want to see the video surveillance of her car and her phone records. I say they wouldn’t want me on that jury. Again I don’t know the full details. Being a EMS first responder I would think both sides would want anyone with medical training on the jury. That definitely doesn’t look like road rash. Also I would want to all his cop friends to be questioned. I can’t wait to watch this trial. I will be honest I live in NY and been called for jury duty twice and got out of it the first time then the second time when my number came up the jury had been picked. I’m looking forward to seeing the friends testifying and the electronic evidence.

[@junebuchholtz287]

If the defense can get that evidence! The state withholding it...being allowed to withhold it is a travesty!

[@vikaz3408]

Road rash? What the….? We are not stupid!

[@Tracey777]

Why was the judge allowing all of those people to dtand in the courtroom?

[@firecrackerjaxki]

To intimidating this ATTY and his client...

[@boondoggled1]

Cuz it was a police officer killed

[@JenAltman9999]

Because courtrooms are open in this country Einstein

[@eq.8640]

All the seats filled up quickly, so people were allowed to stand at the back. Everyone in the courtroom was very quiet and respectful

[@WWG1WWGA]

TWO completely empty benches right up front for ANYONE. Even those standing in the back trying to INTIMIDATE a corrupt judge. 😌😏

[@marynamurray9385]

Sending you much care and strength. Be patient with your recovery as you had a big procedure.

[@maxx8942]

It seems that The Police are showing intimidation.. I would make them leave the CRT..

[@joy-115]

Why are those cops allowed to stand like that in court?

[@melsafken764]

Standing cops seem intimidating...

[@JustJesstheMess]

BAILIFFS, honey. Not cops. They work security for the court. They are doing their job.

[@loopy1159]

​@@JustJesstheMess Never seen that many Who are the protecting?

[@HarlemSexyBlaqkat]

bailiffs are wearing white shirts behind them are cops.

[@chrismclellanart]

​@@loopy1159they re making sure Karen doesnt escape and run anyone else over

[@jowlsbarkey20]

Turtleboy being in the background is Gold.

[@maureens100]

Help me....who is turtle boy? Ty

[@jowlsbarkey20]

@@maureens100 youtube.com/@TurtleboyLive

[@junebuchholtz287]

​@supergrandefilmswith the turtle tie 😅

[@junebuchholtz287]

​@@jowlsbarkey20thanks!!

[@junebuchholtz287]

​@@jowlsbarkey20thanks!!

[@ScalesOfLife]

Prayers for true and honest justice in this case

[@rochellegorcheck3772]

😊Please help this innocent girl. It's obvious she didn't do this.......

[@DonnaArruda-qv1qw]

Jennifer was two combatives and I’m surprised the judge didn’t stop her from answering either yes or no to the questions

[@junebuchholtz287]

Her lawyer is passionate...and evidence is still at the lab being tested?? 15 months later?

[@sherricollins6503]

That's Ludacris 15 months. Imo, Sounds like some pencil whipping is going on. You owe me a favor buddy.

[@marygoff3332]

Drop these charges! Go after the man or men who beat Mr. O'Keefe to death!!!

[@Rios2U]

This poor woman for having to morn the death of someone she loved, and to be falsely accused is just gross !!!!

[@factsmatter8667]

She killed him. She's not mourning. FFS

[@luisyfonsy711]

​@@factsmatter8667you have to be trolling otherwise your unbelievably ignorant.

[@maandren]

@@factsmatter8667 But if that's true why would she kill him where she did?

[@TeeJayNZ]

She was so drunk she prob thought he was just bumped by her car I don’t think she meant to kill him but she is still guilty what concerns me most is she is willing for 10 other people to take the fall I bet she hasn’t passed a lie detector test just a hunch .

[@kristinastoico7422]

If she killed him why is her defense asking for all the evidence to prove she didn’t do it? That doesn’t make any sense to me!

[@CarmenLucia.]

What a terrible attitude from the judge, despicable!

[@junebuchholtz287]

Unfeeling for the innocent... That's what people are supposed to be until proven guilty

[@KaraLynnJack]

Yes I agree..." Is this hearing over with?" Giving vibes of the judges lack of patience and her having better things to do!

[@heatherann1560]

Judges aren't supposed to be all happy and cheerful they deal with criminals everyday 🙄

[@laurenmay2098]

@@KaraLynnJackI had being watching many trials, not one judge, man, had such a horrific attitude. This judge must to get her act together. Wow, wow, I would be very worry if she is the one to preside my case.

[@lisainman2253]

This is such a joke with this “Judge”! Such a cover up and ridiculous with getting rid of the dog, ripping up the floor and selling the house. Come on - clearly she did NOT do this!!

[@enslie4957]

We all know this is a corrupt case and anyone that played a part you better run Karen is gonna get you should have told the truth

[@williamgage4825]

If it' was Blunt force trauma where is the brusing from the impact... Prosecutor should be charged for hindering the course of justice....🤬

[@Indiartworks]

This seems very shady indeed. Labs can process DNA within 72 hours if needed. As far as the video, if it exists give the whole darn video to the defense already! It seems awfully coincidental that a video exists that just happens to cut off the moment or 2 before the defendant drove passed the Canton library. Why did they not request the video for the time the defendant stated she would have been driving past there or for 30 minutes before and after the stated time if she didn't know the exact time? Seems like that would cover all bases, but covering all bases doesn't seem to be a priority here! I don't know if this woman is guilty or innocent, but I do know that too many innocent people are convicted of crimes and sentenced for life, or death, for crimes they didn't commit,!

[@junebuchholtz287]

They have requested that....the state is ignoring all requests ....corruption

[@laurenmay2098]

By now, for me, she is innocent, there is no reason for them to frame her unless another cop did that.

[@YourNoseyNeighbor202]

That is NOT a road rash.

[@doreeneclose6295]

Besides, it was winter. If he were outside he would have had a winter coat on. These wounds occured on a bare arm, or through a lightweight shirt.

[@dareneq1]

No, they are not. I've had road rash. That ain't it.

[@kathybenes3137]

I have had road rash that is not it

[@RETROMV]

Wow an absolute miracle that the comments section hasn't been turned off as of yet...

[@maddieadams75]

All those police are pretty jittery and overwhelmed with the audience. It very peculiar to see them scanning the group, if they expected problems they should have limited who comes in.

[@JustJesstheMess]

Guys in white are bailiffs, court security guards. They are not police. They are waiting for someone to get wild in court and ready to keep the peace. Literally all they are doing.

[@junebuchholtz287]

​@@JustJesstheMesswell someone needs to slip them a Valium

[@Annes44]

If he was hit by a car he should have severe injury to lower body. Im not hearing that. The missing 2 minutes of video is very telling. She needs to be released then maybe prosecution will get off its butt

[@LatinaLatina1011]

He was 6. Foot 2 inches. That Lexus would have broken his hips seriously so much shady shit

who said he was standing up?@@LatinaLatina1011

[@WhitePaint5775]

Thank goodness for Turtleboy!

[@mrsalilg]

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[@nict6549]

Is this intimidation tactics? You see this, how are they allowed to stand in there like that?

[@sibelc.380]

Those defendant lawyers did perfect job 👏I just saw this case and truth is so middle 👏👏never seen like this

[@sundaygirlsez]

The defense has established reasonable doubt, so why would the prosecution deny their request regarding the dog? If the prosecution is confident about the wounds, wouldn't it benefit them to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt?

[@tacham4533]

If they were smart they would drop the case before everyone loses their jobs and also get arrested. They could have this case held in Italy and everyone would still know she’s innocent.

[@rullmourn1142]

Why's everyone standing up on the left side of the gallery?

[@bwright925]

Standing room only

[@rullmourn1142]

@@bwright925 i don't see any benches behind them, and why are cops standing in their way.

[@patrid19]

Didn’t Jennifer MCCabe say Karen Read have on a baseball cap jeans and sneakers on? Then they said she walked through the garage and you could hear her high heels on the concrete floor makes no sense.

[@marycarlin1911]

It doesnt take15 mos another railroad by the corrupted police department

[@junebuchholtz287]

Exactly!!!

[@lesliefortie8347]

Very true! I am so glad the feds are investigating now

[@lawrenceartz8640]

This will be the most watched trial since the Pamela Smart trial of 32 years ago.

[@worldsgreatestdude1784]

Who’s Pamela Smart?

[@littlemissmaybe480]

@@worldsgreatestdude1784 She is woman who was convicted of being an accomplice to first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and witness tampering in the death of her husband, Greggory Smart, in 1990.

[@melsafken764]

I believe the most watched trial was a civil case. Depp vs Heard

[@lawrenceartz8640]

@@worldsgreatestdude1784 Pamela Ann Smart is a woman who was convicted of being an accomplice to first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and witness tampering in the death of her husband, Gregory Smart, in 1990. Smart, then aged 22, had conspired with her underaged boyfriend, then 15-year-old William "Billy" Flynn, and three of his friends to have Gregory murdered in Derry, New Hampshire.She is currently serving a life sentence at Bedford Hills Correctional Facility for Women, a maximum security prison in Westchester County, New York.

[@topher3178]

I hope so. I just learned about this case. It needs more national attention

[@cristysanders4660]

What's with all the people standing in the middle? Defense is amazing. Good job sir

[@jenettejackson8920]

I have a black nailed dog so it’s hard to cut his nails. He leaves marks like that on my legs when he try’s to jump up. Those aren’t human scratches those are from a dog. My dogs not being mean when he does it he just wants to be picked up.

[@lulac4933]

That's what it looks like dog nail scratches as if he was commanded to attack.

[@Panda-r8n]

This judge is more concerned on that police family

[@A-privilege-not.a-right]

Non-trained police dogs will bite calves and other body parts. GSD are trained specifically to bite the arm. The teeth mark is around the elbow. I can see the canine digs. Unlike pitties, rotties or canes, the elongated jaws have the canines closer to than bullies which triangle out wide