Karen Read Trial Day 30 RECAP - Defense Experts KO the CW's Case? | LAWYER EXPLAINS

[@LegalBytesMedia]

What did you think of the defense's experts on Day 30?? Did you see them as helpful to the defense as I did?

[@pitbullcrew271]

Yes and I think the hot doctors from Greys Anatomy should play the ARCCA guys in the movie.

[@sh8nn0n92]

Yasss🎉🥳finally! Facts and confidence❤️🤗thanks for all you do❣️❣️

[@nelsona8285]

You know what those "Accident Reconstruction Experts" didn't use when they looked at what happened? A Crash Test Dummy!!! Yes, the most common scientific tool to determine bio mechanics and possible causes of injuries to pedestrians when struck by a vehicle and they didn't test with crash test dummy. The one expert was very excited about building a cannon but they didn't use a crash test dummy in their tests. I have NO IDEA why the prosecution didn't bring that up. Well… I guess I do. The prosecutor is pretty mediocre. How much do you think this company charged the federal government for that cannon?

[@pitbullcrew271]

@@nelsona8285 yes, Dr Wolfe used a dummy.

[@nelsona8285]

@@pitbullcrew271 Please provide Court TV timestamp of where Wolfe stated that he used a complete crash test dummy body in his testimony. I heard he used a cannon and THE HEAD OF A CRASH DUMMY, not a complete crash dummy body that would involve the biomechanics of the whole body during a crash. I think that would be pretty critical in determining injuries of the body and how the body could have been positioned at time of impact.

[@localbandreview]

Just look at Gordon Ramseys photo of him being hit by a car on his bike. His whole torso is purple.

[@LegalBytesMedia]

100%

[@marmite.]

His bruise was horrific,Lally kept stating John had a bruise on his knee,I nearly spat my coffee out when the defence actually showed the size of said bruise. I had bigger bruises off hitting the top of my leg off my dog gate catch..😂

[@jessicawynn4053]

​@marmite. Right its the size of a dime like come on he probably knocked his leg on something like everyone does almost daily

[@Kintizen]

I live near Canton MA. Corruption goes from local governments to governors office. I hope this trial opens up the eyes of folks around here.

[@matthewmarshall349]

It's everywhere. The key difference for now is that public interest on true crime has significantly increased with onr effect being that the courts are being watched publically on what i suspect is an unprecedented scale.

[@ss5286]

Look at the comment sections.. There's masses saying guilty still. You really think people want to "open their eyes" when it's much easier to keep things the way they are 😂

[@gerthanekom8910]

The prosecution's case was doomed even before court started. The detectives' failure to investigate inside the Alberts' house immediately after the body had been found, was fatal.

[@Catlover1956.]

They made the same mistakes as in the Alex M case.

[@71ap93]

No matter the verdict, i just cant feel there's justice for John O'Keefe. The investigation was not what he deserved. .

[@couls3able]

It felt like the McAlberts vrs Karen. Poor OJO.

[@matthewpeters325]

Yes I agree. Where were all the GMWB (cops) that are normally at dead GMWB (cops) court hearings????? I wonder why they aren't there???? You know the whole blue line GMWB thing that we all see.

[@athenarocks7657]

I feel so bad for him and his family. Especially his he kids. The state failed them.

[@francesleonboyer9276]

Well we know who failed … proctor

[@DarcyG-nk5nv]

I laughed out loud when the harp music and little hearts appeared around Dr. Wolfe. I'm a married woman. No comment. My husband is adorable. But that was funny!!!

[@LegalBytesMedia]

That extra-ness was all the editor!! I asked him to make a meme out of it, and supplied the music and the footage, and he did his magic haha. I knew it was good when I laughed with my whole body and needed to rewatch it 😂 I'm happily married too, but I can also say Dr. Wolfe is a handsome guy, and that it was hilarious how much so many were aflutter about him.

[@chisquared03]

My theory: There was a fight inside the house. Chloe attacked John to protect her owner and jumped on John, pushing him back and causing him to fall backward and hit his head on some hard surface. He was then put outside to make it look like a vehicular accident.

[@KathleenHelms-nq1vk]

True. At 3:20am. Brian Albert brought John's body down by the road so it wouldn't be in his yard.

[@baz80s18]

Thank you so much for the coverage and recaps of this trial. The whole LB community has been great. We all really appreciate your hard work. I can't wait to see the verdict with you all.

[@rayrose6499]

I want you to know that you always do a marvelous job! You’re very good at commentary! Have a blessed day!

[@LegalBytesMedia]

Thank you so much!! 💙

[@jaydarkman]

Here is a depressing realization I just had during defence closing argument, what if they had chosen that they shouldn't pin it on Karen Read, who would be the next best fit? I even got more depressed when I realized if it was me I would have chosen the snowplow driver? The Alberts and co. had already decided to cover it up and they were just looking for who isn't on their qlique and they knew they could get away with it due to their connection with the Police. Even with Turtleboy making it viral, would the snowplow driver have been able to hire a team like this one? This is likely one of the few ways John O'Keefe death's could have realistically received any form of justice.

[@kavinh10]

and they'd of used your tax payer dollars to commit the crime.

[@Sarahopal]

Sean McDonough has a great channel. He is local to this crime and has worked law enforcement for decades. He said the original plan had been to blame the snow plow guy, call it an accident. It sounds like he may actually have quite a bit of insider info. I couldn't imagine being that poor plow driver. He's been friends with these people for his whole life and they were just gonna throw him under the bus? If he's been told that by the FBI his heart must be broken. What an awful group of people there were involved in this case. I hope the FBI gets justice for John's family

[@MelissaAnne-m2x]

I agree. I've thought for a while that they intended to blame it on the plow, once blizzard picked up and made visibility poorer and once more snow accumulated. They wait for a random person to "find" John, explain injuries as a accidental hit by Lucky. I don't think they'd have accused him of reckless etc. Just a "tragic accident". When Karen called Jenn McCabe, I believe the plan fell apart. At which point she had to immediately and urgently get together with Karen before Karen could go to Albert's and find John alone. I think she knew they needed a McCabe in control of information flow and knowledge from moment Karen found him. I also think that's why Karen saw him first outside, which they spin against Karen. One person driving, the other not invested, and Karen panicked and aware that John wouldn't ignore the kids home without at least texting and likely suspecting something terrible. I also wish we knew the dialogue before they found John. Did Jenn in any way introduce a thought into Karen's mind that she may have hit him? Was Karen at all thinking clearly in the hour before finding John? Anyone panicked could be more easily influenced to a thought process. She also could have not been sober completely. She could have just been exhausted. She could have been less intoxicated at waterfall but had drinks at John's before she slept for just a couple hours, woke groggy and slightly intoxicated or hungover. So many possibilities. It's also possible her first panicked thought upon finding him, since Jenn said he never inside, was she had to have hit him. But we know he went inside, and that Jenn said from the start he didn't go in. Even Brian Higgins slipped up on stand and placed a man (who could only have been John) inside the house. Apple spends $50mill per upgraded version. The data is correct. He was moving and doing stairs. He moved after Karen was long gone. But in the moment of looking for and then finding him, Jenn was lying and claiming to Karen that he never made it inside at all. What would any of us think? We'd be horrified and think we somehow hit him as we stared down at his body. Imagine how horrific that moment would feel? 😭 I think her waking up so early and finding him herself and then saying could I have hit him (and possibly saying I hit him) was entire and sole reason they panicked and were forced into this nightmare and cover up by pinning it on Karen. They had to hide dog, hid Colin being there that night at all, worry about calls and texts, basement, guests, waterfall footage etc. Thus the intentional lack of investigation into anything but her. Not talking to lucky. Not taking pics of her car before towing. Hiding sallyport video. Eventually having to provide it so edited it. Clearly deleted John's ring footage, since someone else looked and made note of of her arrival at John's after dropping him off. The others there that aren't McAlberts testified she was alone in car and John not seen, not beside car or on ground on lawn. Lucky knows no body there and then the Ford Edge. This is why the story is ludicrous. No way to get every base covered, not all witness corrupt or lying, hard to keep the changes to their lies straight that became necessary as their lies are caught out. Thus the always changing testimony to GJ to indict her, Fed GJ, witness statements and their eventual trial testimony. If they hang or find her guilty I will never believe anyone can get a fair trial.

[@rubyred1ism]

​@user-ft5oj2sl9t absolutely spot on, exactly every single point I also concluded. It's a crying shame this trial. To throw an innocent person under the bus this way, when they were supposed to be friends...I just can't reconcile it.

[@allyfox5900]

I had the same thought. I did think he wasn't moved closer to the road because of ring cameras maybe catching them. Even though they had Brian Higgins car on hand to add some cover. Definitely lucky for Lucky.

[@MarthaHW]

Lol! When people were talking about dimples, I thought they were talking about Dr. Wolf.

[@williamp6800]

The dog bite on his arm was never swabbed. No wonder they didn’t find dog DNA!

[@The_10th_Man]

It’s your classic “there is no evidence of X”, the media uses it all the time.

[@ashley4290]

Also they could have literally swabbed ANYTHING other than his shirt sleeve and submitted that as evidence. They could have swabbed a random wall for all we know and said it's from his shirt. The ones testing the swab did not take the swabs themselves.

[@delta3244]

@@ashley4290 I think they did at least swab the shirt because of the presence of pig DNA. I don't know whether they swabbed anywhere near the correct part - I suspect they didn't - but the existence of that random detail makes me think they at least did something resembling taking a sensible sample.

[@zirconiumdiamond1416]

​@@delta3244did anyone ever attempt to explain the pig DNA? Other than the defense's theory about dogs chewing pig ears, which always seemed like a pretty weak argument (and was stricken from the record in any event). Does it just mean he ate bacon or a ham sandwich while wearing that shirt?

[@delta3244]

@@zirconiumdiamond1416 Did the defense make that argument? I thought it was just an internet thing. I can see myself forgetting it; as you say, it would be a weak argument. My point was that pig DNA is a random detail. If the swab was simply passed to the lab without being used, you wouldn't see it. If you swabbed a random wall or floor or table or something, you wouldn't see it. It makes some sense on a shirt, with several potential explanations. So in my eyes, its presense implies that the police at least swabbed the shirt, even if I'm not certain they swabbed the relevant area. (edit - typo)

[@nosowl]

I have thought that she was probably guilty but the shoddy detective work should result in not guilty. This changes my mind. I don't think she hit him with the car anymore.

[@Kassel1982]

You are becoming my fav channel. I respect that you’re willing to disagree, and or give an actual opinion. Lawyer Lee, TLYK, neither will EVER give their opinions on such matters, I always comment that I wish they would, but they just won’t put out their opinions on verdicts or show which what they are leaning… they play it so safe so they aren’t judged or risk hurting their businesses. Really appreciate that you are willing to put it out there!

[@Stacy-]

TLYK did give his opinion after the trial was done. He said he doesn't think the prosecutor proved their case or that John was hit by a car based on his injuries. He is a "not guilty" vote.

[@Kassel1982]

@@Stacy- he’s always been meaning not guilty on this one, the point is most never will reveal where they are leaving during trial as they go, Pete usually favors defense….

[@langjie7281]

agree with you. not sure how this brought to trial with the shaky evidence. I said it before, I'll say it again, I'd be pissed off as a juror wasting 31-32 days of my life and that's all the prosecution had

[@MarkkuS]

Jurors should have a say in doling out judgment for malicious prosecution.

[@MelissaAnne-m2x]

I'd definitely be headed home after jury duty over and be finding all the answers I didn't have as a juror avoiding all knowledge of case. Then I'd absolutely be enraged that the trial was brought and my time so abused in furtherance of such blatantly obvious corruption

[@stephenshadenough]

Thank you for all your work on this. This case has been wild. I now know more about the US judicial system than my own. Your grounded takes are so relatable.

[@seashelle73]

You’re the first KZbinr I’ve watched in relation to this trial that gave a thorough overview, concisely delivered, and brought things I’d never heard before. Thank you!!

[@mxnjones]

I would definitely try to attend if Dr. Sheridan were doing a lecture in my area. I quite enjoyed how he explained things, from his medical conclusions to his career background. Dr. Wolfe was not only pretty to look at, but he impressed me with all his math and science…and that grin! 😍 Confidence and competence are hella attractive! There were a couple of the prosecution’s experts that I found equally appealing.

[@bluj5917]

Dr. Sheridan is professional and direct! Love him ❤

[@jagsixteen]

There wasn't any evidence that tells me she is guilty. The investigators performed terribly and the prosecution did even worse during trial. This should have never made it to a courtroom based on what "evidence" that they had, and these guys definitely give cops a bad reputation.

[@Mdmc9738]

You mean these jurors believe that investigors, butt calls, broken tail light scattered over unprotected areas? Uprooted basement floor? What's taken them so long??

[@scottie2hot]

Some people are truly unintelligent. We are giving the jurors the benefit of the doubt but they could be just as bias or ignorant. Some people think she did it.

[@LegalBytesMedia]

Keep in mind, they've been listening to this case for nine whole weeks without the ability to talk about it. We've been able to talk about it freely and often. I would imagine if I were in their shoes I would want to be going over everything, all the craziness, complete with making my own charts and diagrams just to make sure I wasn't the one in Looney Tunes Town lol. We need to be patient as they catch up with everyone else in the discussion. And, it's better that way--they're more likely to come to a balanced, reasoned conclusion based on the facts.

[@scottie2hot]

@@LegalBytesMedia that’s the responsible thing to do. You are exactly right.

[@rakohammmas]

OMG I DIED ON THE CLIP OF DR WOLF!! Ugh he truly was a babe so smart n courteous 😍😍🥵

[@spokenme08]

My almost 20 pound cat got outside and when I grabbed him he attacked me. Those marks look like larger versions of the teeth and claw marks he left on me.

[@Jack-bc5xg]

That's a big cat.

[@cheshirecat6518]

As a retired walking route letter carrier, I have been screaming from the beginning that it's from a dog. I have scars on MY right arm to prove it.

[@The_10th_Man]

There is not a single expert in or out of court who hasn’t flatly identified those at bites.

[@QuintessentialUltimatum]

*If this is how the police “investigate” the murder of another officer, imagine how they investigate the murder of some random person’s death… like the homeless guy who was suspiciously found dead… or the mother who has been waiting for answers for months and they keep ignoring her calls…*

[@justinjay2318]

I loved Dr Sheridan! He has a very impressive resume. I love how he used words like we were a child to understand what he is saying. His voice reminds me of Professor Snape too! I’m laughing at the Dr Wolfe “dreamy” segment😂. Don’t get me wrong, handsome dude. I found Dr Wolfe very interesting. It fascinated me with the car damage and if it was due to John than a drinking glass. He lost me at physics talk a couple of times. I definitely think Dr Rentschler was a great choice as well with his testimony. Lolly, I felt like, was pulling questions out of no where, but I’m not an attorney. I don’t think she’s fully guilty

[@hillaryclinton1314]

I actually learned from the expert witness... a laceration is a cut from blunt force trauma....

[@toggtlas7099]

The trial ends with an independent neutral expert, highly regarded in his field, saying "There is no evidence". And yet the jury is now on day 3 of deliberations. That's worrying...

[@nelsona8285]

I think the #FREEKAREN fanatics have to admit that with a full day of jury deliberation and no NOT GUILTY verdict achieved, there aren't twelve people that believed the "corrupt cops did it in the Albert's basement and more corrupt cops covered it up by framing the innocent white girl" theory. We are either looking at an agreement on a lesser included charge OR a hung jury. The hung jury would be more likely due to defense team painstaking jury selection over 4 days than the actual evidence. I imagine their primary criteria to find a defense friendly juror included: rabid feminists that would disregard all evidence if they thought a man involved in the investigation was mean to the female defendant, any person that was wearing a mask while alone in their car with the windows rolled up during Covid (very susceptible to the most insane theories/suggestions put before them) and anti-government/anti-police ANTIFA type that wants to be on a jury just to stick it to "the man"

[@ashley4290]

​@nelsona8285 your little diatribe makes you look like a pretty unlikable person. Just an FYI.

[@nelsona8285]

@@ashley4290 I know the truth hurts the #FreeKaren fanatics, but truth is truth and sleazy defense attorneys get rich people off when they are guilty. I am sure who the defense picked during jury selection plays more into an expensive focus group analysis that looked for people who could not use Common Sense and how to find them. Unfortunately for the defense team, Karen was already recorded on tape with the "corrupt cops did it and other corrupt cops framed me" story. So, that is what they had to go with. I am sure this case will increase their fees and their client base, win, lose or draw. No Justice for John if they have to go through this again.

[@W1ZY]

*The bottomline of the prosecution's case is it needs to prove **_Read hit OKeefe with the car._* The fact that the prosecution went on for WEEKS about matters _other than this simple task_ raises eyebrows. And those eyebrows, as we all know, are over federal eyes.

[@ashley4290]

Half of this trial felt like CW v. Google Search.

[@delta3244]

@@ashley4290 In fairness, the CW's job is to eliminate reasonable doubt, and that search alone is enough to constitute reasonable doubt. They had to fight that search. The general point that this trial felt like a defense of the McAlberts rather than a prosecution of Karen remains true.

[@W1ZY]

@@delta3244 Indeed. And to your point, the CW was reduced to _challenging the veracity of the software program they, themselves, use all the time to put people in jail._ In this case, they had to say the program was _wrong_ because it spat out an answer indicating the CW was prosecuting the wrong guy.

[@W1ZY]

@@ashley4290 You bet. That's because it was CW vs Everbrite--the computer program that spat out the early morning Google search that shows the CW charged the wrong guy. The problem for the CW is that it is not the only law enforcement agency that uses Everbrite, for the U.S. Department of Justice does, too. Thus the trial was not only CW vs Google Search, but ultimately the _CW vs the DOJ,_ as we are all about to see _regardless of the jury's verdict._ The upcoming Color of Law federal criminal prosecution of these local officials who violated the public's trust will go down on national TV. There's likely hundreds of additional cases as flawed as this one, which means The Innocence Project is going to have a field day. This is a major national scandal because (i) you know it is going on in suburbs all over the country, and (ii) _does not victimize any black people._ Since its a white, middle class, suburban public corruption scandal, white, middle-class suburban Americans will demand justice. Even MSNBC will be onboard. 🤭

[@nikok410]

lol I hope the good doctor will see these or other images of himself on the internet and have a good laugh 😆

[@waywardscythe3358]

The glass being thrown at the car could be a fair exploration for Karen Read being apparently unsure if she had hit him or not. She may have heard/felt the impact of the glass.

[@subtletactics]

Maybe, but I think they came up with that theory based on the items they had and not all evidence (running into John’s car at that exact same spot). And still doesn’t explain what happened to John. I thought at first Karen threw a glass at the back of his head, then drove off, and the dog attacked the corpse before being pulled away- and since it looked sus, they did the cover up/proctor added more evidence. BUT behavior of the witnesses, and phone data- I think he went inside (gps isn’t that accurate- I get good service but sometimes says I’m a few houses away from where I’m at), and the head wound looks like it’s from a hard sharp object like a table or corner of steps, golf club vs the ground.

[@jeffhampton7405]

It would be, but her taillight was intact until Proctor seized it. There’s a reason they deleted the videos that would show the condition of the taillight. And there were zero pieces of taillight found until Proctor brought the car back to Canton. You don’t need the glass to explain how the taillight broke at the scene if the taillight didn’t break at the scene.

[@alanasbaby7]

Thanks for your thoughtful coverage

[@LegalBytesMedia]

It's been my pleasure!! Thank you so much for watching with me!! 💙

[@houdennyhoudenny6777]

As always, nice job. Your homework, facts and commentary is spot on. Why this diberation is taking so long reminds me of how there's a possibility of people (jurors) are being naive and wasting time as opposed towards what should be the obvious.

[@Kenjitsuka]

Great experts nailing that final nail into the prosecutions disgraceful coffin!!!

[@HDnursepractitioner]

Karen is innocent, 100%. I went in thinking it was crazy that there might be a conspiracy. At the time, I thought maybe she was drunk and did hit him on accident. However, when I tried to make sense of his injuries, I could not. I was waiting for the CW to prove the injuries John sustained were from the vehicle. I couldn't make it work in my head, how his injuries were so few and there were no injuries to his low torso or his torso, there were blood drops, so he was bleeding standing up. The arm looks like dog bites. The investigators knew each other and never secured the scene. The CW experts had no idea what they were doing except the ME. The ME clearly agreed with the defense, but she was afraid to say it. Never should have gone to trial. Lally was trying to confuse the jury, thinking they are idiots.

[@delta3244]

I'm with you on waiting for the prosecution to explain the injuries. At the start, I didn't see how they could be possible, but I was willing to give Lally the benifit of the doubt because "surely he wouldn't have brought this to trial if his theory is physically impossible." So I waited, and waited for so much as the possibility for those injuries to exist to ever emerge, while tracking the rest of the evidence in case the possibility was ever proven (given the possibility, the rest of the evidence must strongly point towards guilt for me to believe it). Now we're at the end of the trial, and I'm convinced that, remarkable as the human body sometimes is, this particular theory + pattern of injuries literally cannot match. Karen's innocence is proven beyond reasonable doubt, in my mind.

[@prisonersdilemma939]

Did you ever wonder why the defense never mentioned that John’s blood on his clothes and shoes seems to indicate he was on his feet? I did. And began to think about it. And I can up with a plausible theory that has a handful of variations including the following one. The defense does not want the jury to think there was a chance that John was on his feet after receiving his bleeding injuries. Doing so would allow for the possibility that John was hit by the SUV, suffering his arm injuries from the taillight or the asphalt. John may have then fell to the ground striking his head on the curb. After that, he walked or crawled to his final resting spot. I think John was hit just as Trooper Paul testified but he wasn’t projected 30’, rather he was projected a few feet from the sideswipe collision that seldom causing bruising. If his head injury did occur immediately after the SUV collision, there is nothing that wouldn’t suggest he didn’t get up to his feet and move 10-15’ before he laid down in his final resting spot. I don’t believe he was hit near the fire hydrant. It happened 20’ further to the North, where most of the plastic was initially found. The plastic initially fell, to the asphalt in less than a handful of pieces and was ran over in the roadway by first responders and other traffic. Snow plows later came along multiple times and projected snow and everything underneath it over a wide area of the lawn…..exactly as it was found. Remember, too, John had a deep, large bruise on his hand, like one you would suffer if you stuck out your hand to brace against an SUV that was coming at you at 24mph. The CW failed to come up with a common sense theory like this and because of that Karen will walk or the jury will hang. If the jury hangs, she will be retried and convicted.

[@prisonersdilemma939]

Did you ever wonder why the defense never mentioned that John’s blood on his clothes and shoes seems to indicate he was on his feet? I did. And began to think about it. And I can up with a plausible theory that has a handful of variations including the following one. The defense does not want the jury to think there was a chance that John was on his feet after receiving his bleeding injuries. Doing so would allow for the possibility that John was hit by the SUV, suffering his arm injuries from the taillight or the asphalt. John may have then fell to the ground striking his head on the curb. After that, he walked or crawled to his final resting spot. I think John was hit just as Trooper Paul testified but he wasn’t projected 30’, rather he was projected a few feet from the sideswipe collision that seldom causing bruising. If his head injury did occur immediately after the SUV collision, there is nothing that wouldn’t suggest he didn’t get up to his feet and move 10-15’ before he laid down in his final resting spot. I don’t believe he was hit near the fire hydrant. It happened 20’ further to the North, where most of the plastic was initially found. The plastic initially fell, to the asphalt in less than a handful of pieces and was ran over in the roadway by first responders and other traffic. Snow plows later came along multiple times and projected snow and everything underneath it over a wide area of the lawn…..exactly as it was found. Remember, too, John had a deep, large bruise on his hand, like one you would suffer if you stuck out your hand to brace against an SUV that was coming at you at 24mph. The CW failed to come up with a common sense theory like this and because of that Karen will walk or the jury will hang. If the jury hangs, she will be retried and convicted.

[@delta3244]

@@prisonersdilemma939 What in the world are you talking about, "John had a deep, large bruise on his hand?" Where can I see that? Because I certainly don't remember it, unless we're talking about the marks we know came from the resuscitative efforts. Also, remember that the independant experts pointed out that the tail light could not have caused the arm injuries because of their mismatch in size. Remember that the ME said the arm injuries cannot have been from the asphalt. Remember that the defense 12-13'000 autopsies guy said that John was definitely rendered unconcious by the back of skull injury. Remember that there is no blood on the asphalt, or tracked to his resting place. Notice that, in order for the tail light to shatter on contact with John's arm in the only way which could come close to causing the arm injuries, it would need to land a pretty direct hit on the arm, which would cause brusing. Your theory is miles better than the prosecution's, I'll give you that, but it still fails to explain the crime scene. Even if you ignore one or two of the previous points for one reason or another, which is reasonable, if any one of them is true, your theory fails. I don't think it's reasonable to believe that all of them are false.

[@linneak541]

Thank you for the coverage and recaps throughout this trail! Day 30 I managed to listen to most of the testimony and I loved these witnesses.

[@romanfields7900]

This judge needs to be removed from the bench.

[@stellabythesea1492]

I love that the defenses expert became a double dip. Because we got more out of him from Lally than he is objections would allow when the defense was questioning him.

[@suzimonkey345]

Thanks for watching & summarising for people who didn’t have the time to watch this fascinating trial in full!

[@steffanixoom]

Wasn't only the sleeve of the hoodie swabbed or am I wrong? If they only swabbed the one sleeve I don't think it's fair to say no dog DNA on his clothing if they didn't test the whole hoodie, t-shirt, and jeans

[@silversmoke6]

I also don't think there was a chain of evidence for the clothing. We really don't know what happened to them before the swab,.

[@TerraUmbraVampWriter]

I feel called out! lol. He was a gorgeous man.

[@LegalBytesMedia]

Hahah don't worry, you're not alone!!

[@oliviahancook5195]

I THINK LALLY COULD NOT FIND A REBUTTAL WITNESSES The experts were too good to refute.

[@johennessey383]

Bev self soothing in the background during that last clip!

[@ericerickson21]

Regarding the question of the tail light breaking backing into John's car. My understanding was that he was answering no to it being shattered in the way the prosecution presented it at that speed. Leaving the question of whether it could have cracked the way the defense claims unanswered. I haven't gone back and checked, but that is how I took that answer.

[@Caylynmillard]

Good job Alyte! My gf and I watch your vids all the time and you’re a great analyst!

[@VanFactor]

Dr. Andrew explained stuff very clearly.

[@VTPSTTU]

Thanks for the video. You've done a good job with this analysis. I've been all over the place on this trial. I started listening to coverage that was ridiculously biased for the prosecution. At that point, I was as much as 80/20 in favor of believing that she probably hit him with her vehicle. Now, I'm between 20/80 to 50/50 on the question of whether she hit him with the vehicle at all. Even at 80/20 in favor of her hitting him with the vehicle, I couldn't have voted guilty. At this point, I certainly can't vote for her guilt. The prosecution is seriously hampered by how evasive and unlikeable their witnesses seem. As I look at Proctor, Higgins, Albert, McCabe, and maybe a few others, I get a sense that they are fighting against every admission of some kind of fact. They don't seem to be people anyone can trust. Even if Proctor were honest, he comes across as too stupid to do a good investigation. Trooper Paul doesn't seem to be a bad person, but he doesn't seem competent.

[@lorirosa432]

Agree with you! Excellent coverage by you as usual. Thanks!

[@Always_Thinking]

Great recap! This seems to be the big question of the case & simple answer by ARCCA. Here we are Wed, 5:30PM & no verdict 🤔🤔🤔 Very concerning 😮

[@christinescott6344]

If/when Karen is found not guilty, I hope the investigation continues to find justice for John. If not enough evidence was available, maybe a bit of digging will find more evidence that hasn’t been presented. 🙏🏼

[@wilderflower5713]

Thank u so much for these recaps! I can’t follow the daily trials. ❤ 🙏

[@TheRubberDuck77]

They did find pig dna on his clothes tho, dog chew maybe? or he ate pork. Could be either. Also, they only checked his clothes for animal dna, NOT the wounds themselves

[@syon600]

The judge swinging her glasses, swinging in her chair...lol

[@allyfox5900]

10:10 Chefs kiss!😂 His parents did some fine work.✨️🐺

[@zacharylewis417]

There is so many things wrong that stand out in this case. Its actually mind boggling that this got this far.

[@Nodalities]

Great recap, thanks!

[@David-hh7nx]

You have to FACE the SUV for right front arm to hit right tail light. With body at center of car. Impossible to have no Back of arm injuries.

[@Jack-bc5xg]

He wasn't standing in center.

[@Blessedmommyuv4]

Love the Dr. Wolfe highlight! 🥰

[@alanasbaby7]

Great analysis. I would say that ARCCA expert stated there would be MORE damage to taillight if hit with glass. The taillight interior would have been damaged which it wasn't. Doesn't mean it didn't happen because JOK was wasted so his throwing arm might not have been up to snuff. Just wanted to clarify. But of course that raises the question of how he ended up with a deadly head injury 30 feet from the purported site of impact. Prosecution did not come close to proving case esp since independent experts say JOK could NOT have been hit by a car. What a travesty

[@AshtynJadeProduction]

Thanks, Alyte!

[@moses4031]

I think that there is too much reasonable doubt to convict .Also who rehomes a dog they had for seven years?

[@suem7172]

Acquittal because of an abundance of reasonable doubt.

[@rin-eri]

that dr wolfe graphic is so funny. in the edb chat they were calling him 'crash daddy'

[@Fran7842]

Prosecution should have withdrawn

[@GaraGaraVideo]

At 14:48 when you're saying it doesn't matter if one defence theory is ruled out etc, I've been wondering this a lot - you're talking as an attorney, but what's the risk of the juryb overlooking this? Discovered your channel through these updates and have sub'd - great coverage thankyou

[@suzimonkey345]

Thank you!

[@freddie3d]

Love the video. One question though, what I remember Lally never asked if low speed could crack the taillight but rather if an impact of speed 0-5mph could create "that" damage. Wasn't that the case? It leaves cracking the taillight ambiguous. As Reacher says, details matter. 🙂

[@Gle7799]

Defens will be getting sick of their own attention walking back and forth to church

[@yoshi6421]

Just my little take on all this. I think John O noticed how affectionate Karen R was being that night. She was hamming it up; it was even noticed and commented on by others. Brian H definitely noticed, and he was affected by her ignoring him and leading him on about the status of the relationship. I think this led to a possible argument in the car. John wondering WTF Karen. Karen firing back about Aruba or the kids. The unresolved issues leading to a drunk and angry John getting dropped off at the house where Brian H was. John confronted Brian H or maybe the other way around, likely in the basement. Brian A was present. No idea about Colin A. Chloe was present. Fists start swinging, no idea who started it. Chloe goes on the defense and bites and scratches. He got a knock out punch that ended with him cracking his head on the floor, or the impact on the floor rendered him unconscious. Panic. What to do? Dump him outside, maybe blame a snowplow driver. Don't know how much was planned about this (especially while drunk), what happened to Chloe, etc. Jen McCabe eventually comes up with blaming Karen while Karen is panicking and searching. She sticks to Carrie (sp?) afterwards to ensure she doesn't step out of line while talking to the Alberts, McCabes, and Proctors. She relays to the questioning first responder and to the responding police officer that Karen admitted to hitting John, who then told the others, some of whom misremembered where they got that info. Proctor and the other officers don't have much evidence of anything other than Jen McCabe's word, especially since they already decided not to search the house, so they fabricate by planting tail light pieces. The butterfly effect ends up here, where one lie spreads and causes so much misfortune. I feel sorry for the family of Officer O'Keefe, because the absolutely heinous investigation means that they may never see justice for his death.

[@philenglish3931]

The most impressive thing about this final nail is that they found somewhere to put the nail.

[@Mr.Buckshots]

If you’re laying in the fetal position on your left, your right would be attacked

[@LandOfForeverSummer]

Anyone else distracted by the judge’s glasses twirling

[@Stacy-]

I can't see how this jury could convict her. Just based on the numerous mistakes made throughout the investigation... Or lack thereof. I'm comfortable concluding she is not guilty. John's injuries weren't supported by the evidence given. Based on the last witnesses, I would say they weren't inflicted by a moving vehicle either.

[@josefinasoderholm6488]

Yes. A glas could have caused the damage of the car, but John had HIS glass in his hand when found dead and that glass does not match the pieces of glass found on the car. There are pictures of Karen’s taillight early that morning. It was cracked but not as damaged as later pictures shows. Several medical experts state that John could not have gotten his injuries by falling and hitting his head on gras, even if there was snow/is. He would have been unconscious after sustaining his head injury. So. Someone must have moved him. There are no blood or tissue on the car or on any of the taillight pieces! You can have thought and feeling about this case. But THIS 👆is facts.

[@anonymouse14]

“Probably not” on the crack from low speed impact with his car is not a statement it could not be. It’s still more likely than actually hitting John with the car.

[@jtthomps]

Hilarious at the end he starts to answer and the one time he gets an answer that's somewhat beneficial he wants to keep the answer yes or no. Good on the judge for allowing him to give more.

[@DTDdeathmas]

To me, Karen's guilt or lack thereof is undeterminable, the actions and inactions of the investigators have poisoned the info. So Id say she should be declared not guilty on all charges.

[@delta3244]

Were it not for the full lists injuries and damage to the car, I'd agree with you. Because those lists cannot be simultaneously reconciled with a pedestrian collision and physics/biology, I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of innocence. Either way, we get to the same conclusion about the verdict.

[@linneak541]

“You can’t deny the science and the physics “ 😎

[@Jack-bc5xg]

Or the weather.

[@linneak541]

@@Jack-bc5xg but was it snowing though

[@ashley4290]

But you can trust the crime scene's confessions!

[@Gle7799]

They have to.keep hoofing over to court evety time

[@NancyNorton-c8d]

Thanks!

[@ariannefowler455]

I'm only just now catching up on this case. I can't seem to find what day the prosecution's medical examiner testified. I went to your recap playlist and I see on your Day 24 recap there was a forensic expert but no ME. Did the ME ever testify?

[@jessicawynn4053]

I believe she did Maybe 25 or 26 it was more beneficial to the defense considering she said undetermined

[@justjanet5683]

320pm on Wednesday June 26. I don't think we'll have a verdict today. I think they are doing their due diligence in going thru everything presented.

[@jessicawynn4053]

I dont understand why the jury doesnt get to know the FBI is investigating that seems so relevant but im obliviously not an attorney lol

[@Justjastil]

I agree how did they ever bring this to trial

[@thedaily30]

I don’t understand how anyone, jury members included, can listen to the defense’s witnesses (ie Lucky, both doctors, and both scientists) testimonies and concur with the CW. I just don’t get it.

[@marmite.]

Can the jury come to the decision to charge her to a lesser charge in an attempt to try and keep everyone sort of happy,For the family she gets convicted of a charge and its a lesser charge for those that think shes not guilty.

[@dallen8997]

Yes so they’re charging her with second-degree manslaughter, but if they choose not to convict her on that, there’s two other lesser charges down to involuntary manslaughter or not guilty

[@scottie2hot]

No dog dna was on JO but guess who collected the evidence? Lol.

[@tenderstepsPaul]

For me - KR Not Guilty today, tomorrow and every day afterwards. Extremely annoyed about verdict form "confusion". If I was on the jury, I would quickly come back with an Innocent verdict. KR has endured enough. There is no evidence (literally) against her - even if I found I disliked KR behaviour or personality - STILL innocent as these are not relevant factors. Individuals are important - no one should be sacrificed to maintain a fiction that LE in Canton are competent and not corrupt. LE in Canton utterly disgusting (understatement is necessary here)

[@syon600]

Ha ha ha the dr wolf montage w stars and hearts. Pls send clip to him

[@QuintessentialUltimatum]

*I NEED TO KNOW THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY OF THESE “SWABS” COLLECTED AS EVIDENCE TO TEST FOR DNA FROM HIS CLOTHING. AND WHY DID THEY NOT TEST THE ACTUAL SKIN?!*

[@anatimmins9451]

😊😅😂😂😂 the music 🎶 🎵 cracked me up! ❤❤❤

[@peterpanish3534]

Cannot believe the jury has taken more than a nano second to come back with NOT GUILTY! What Kool Aid are they drinking in there? 🤯

[@EmsLionheart]

A friend of mine was hit by an old work truck doing about 40 and was hit in the face only. She was running into street out of excitement and never looked. The truck clipped her good but never spun her nor knocked her down. Fuggd up her nose & chin from hitting those large, sturdy arse side mirrors old trucks once had.

[@yerahmlee730]

I was hit by a car going 55, John o keefe did not get hit by a car

[@markblain8438]

How is the jury foreman picked prior to the alternates

[@jessicawynn4053]

The bruise I audibly squealed compared to the literal HUGE dark almost black bruise Gordon Ramsey had from getting hit by a car

[@janishaughton164]

I can’t even imagine the nightmare Karen has had to go through with this trial.

[@scotto7924]

If an expert hired or interviewed by prosecution or defense finds evidence to the opposite do they have a duty to inform the other side or should they remain silent.

[@TheLuceon]

This question isn't that easy to answer. Seeking an experts opinion would almost certainly not yield new evidence, and the experts opinion is not evidence. If new evidence is located yes it must be turned over to the other side. If either side seeks an experts opinion and that opinion does not align with that side, no they do not have to hand to the other side "here is that expert we talked to and didn't like the answer of".

[@ss5286]

Doesn't matter how powerful the truth is or how obvious the lies are. Corruption. Never. Loses. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@AcmeRocket]

Its a complete obliteration of their case, which already had sufficient and significant reasonable doubt. No matter what happened, it is unreasonable to not have doubt.

[@marikotrue3488]

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