RZA’s Surprise Call In! Talks Colorism, Toxic Masculinity & More

[@tatum5959]

"The reason why blackness is divided up into shades of blackness is because it's an announcement of how far away from whiteness you are." Dr. Daniel Black, thank you for that sentence.

[@elpookay]

I disagree with that particular statement that he made. I can understand why he said it (to reinforce his view on race relations), but the reason seems more benign. The way everyone learns is to organize and add a label. that gives us initial understanding and as we get better understanding...we reorganize and recategorize until the concept is fully understood (for some concepts it seems infinite until the universe shows us more). to illustrate his faulty logic.. take for instance that people in the tropics have one word for snow (if that) because they rarely experience snow, but eskimos have over 30 words for snow. Eskimos have a better understanding of snow not because they are trying to measure how far they are from the tropical people. its because they need to better understand snow due to their experience.

[@kevinforeman4485]

I think it's more mental than physical skin tone how far away from whiteness you are.

[@AllBrightColors]

Are you speaking in the context of WP doing the dividing?

[@elpookay]

@@AllBrightColors i was talking about how people learn in general apart from WP. i disagree that the reason why there are 48 shades of BP is to measure how far one is from whiteness.. at least it doesn't have to be or why is he claiming that now? maybe in the past that statement may have held but not today

[@FatherOfDragonss]

@@elpookay what he said still rings true today. the point is forget about shades. when we as people (regardless of race/ethinc groups) stop seeing color, we start to do away with whiteness and the construct of white is right. for most people of color in the western hemisphere we have had to deal with this and it is grounded in white supremacy. His statement is benign and we are not talking bout organizing crayons but how living humans have to deal with social issues due to their proximity of whiteness.

[@chikFromMTL]

Prof. Karen Hunter, Dr. Black, RZA 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 That Board of Higher Learning got me all the way together 🙌🏾

[@Kind_kelpie1989]

Professor Black left no crumbs. He arrived with a word. Wow. 🤯

[@rorenee5245]

Left not na'an a one.

[@wiseian8473]

People do listen to your broadcast even if they don’t always comment. Sometimes, I prefer to just listen and ponder instead of forming an half baked opinion.

[@KarenHunterShow]

and that is really appreciated...thank you.

[@carnellmosley4315]

I do the same.

[@AldiAldiFPen]

I do the same. I was told when I was growing up you have two ears and one mouth for a reason.

[@sa832oak2]

My channel in the car stays on channel 126 and if I am at home, I listen on my computer.

[@vickiebonner4181]

​@@AldiAldiFPen🤔😂❤💙🗳🫶

[@lelle1068]

Much respect to RZA, I worked with anthropologists and genetic scientists - it's facts that the continent of Africa has THEE MOST genetic diversity out of all lands. The mother/cradle of humanity.

[@hhsamcox]

In your work with geneticists and anthropologists, did you come across any research being done on the disparity of genetic material of those who migrated out of Alkebulan and those who remained to fully develop their genetic potential thus creating the diversity that science has been exposing for the past 50 years, to include Henrietta Lacks stolen cells which have made the thieves billions of dollars and/or the CD4 Locus? If so, please share.

[@lelle1068]

@hhsamcox They just came to grips that Africa was the cradle, they didn't make it that far at the time (around 2010-2012). That is part of the reason they started focusing on genopraphic moves when our ancient ancestors 10,000 years ago started to migrate, the reasons why, etc. It will probably be some more years before they are ready to admit further discoveries that knocks history on it's azz. They were looking into why genotype doesn't necessarily predict phenotypes when I left the org.

[@RW-ws9dp]

Yeah, most diversity is sourced information…what’s NOT sourced is her statement that there are 48 shades of black…sounds like he got that from an art class. He pseudo.

[@dbapeman0698]

I am 65 with a grown daughter and son. I taught them from puberty that no always means no and full stop. Period. No excuses. You can always start up again if that is what a woman wants. I learned that from my dad when I was a young teen.

[@bobbywilsonfunfaithfamilymusic]

Shalom, WAKE THAT MIND UP! Professor Hunter, Dr. Black, I appreciate you addressing this issue and issues that impact us, thank you.

[@gillydragon10]

Dr Daniel Black in the last 2 minutes of the show put us back on topic 🔥🔥🔥

[@jenisereedus]

Already loved your show Prof. Hunter, but having The RZA just jump in raises you to the NEXT LEVEL, big ups Queen!!!❤️🖤💚

[@HoodMayorNyc]

She’s been next level since she got to the Daily News. First female black columnist. The majority of Blacks didn’t mess with the NY Post, Stephen A. Smith n Armstrong Williams growing up.

[@rellrell9077]

We nvr had colorism in my family. We have all shades, none of us as kids nvr heard that from our families. Told us we were all beautiful. I didn't experience colorism til middle school. My peers pointed it out 2 me & some of their families taught them that mindset. When I got out into the real world, it was so prevalent. I've bn so blessed 2 have a beautiful family. Taught me 2 go by whats in a person's heart. We are all 1, at the end of the day.

[@BornGiftedMusicGroup]

I love Dr Black & salute Rza for reminding us of a period where many if not most of our Hiphop brothers from past eras were intelligent knowledge seekers who would build with each other beyond the surface of materialism. Sadly, so many now speak in interviews or online and prove why their music sounds the way it does.

[@byronaf6508]

Profound, Dr Black!!!!❤

[@conspiracyjen85]

I loved everything about this peace. This is the type of content you let play while you are with your family having Sunday dinner. Raising the conscious and elevating self love, self awareness of what it is to be Black in America, and really healthy coping mechanisms that fill in the blanks that out elders didn't have the words for. I appreciate Rza's input, Melissa's input, Dr. Daniel Black praise God for you. Even Joe Button standing up for Melissa Ford giving her respect that set a tone for her message to be received and just not be responded to. I mean a 19 minute clip from people doing God's work and raising the vibration. I love every moment of this for you Karen. Profound and congratulations.

[@TWILS02119]

Peace. We will keep the masculinity. We can drop the toxic.

[@HabitualLover]

That's all that's ever been asked. Yes please. Bless that.

[@carolynfrink5569]

Dr. Black!!!! I love how Babba eloquently explains the issue of toxic masculinity in the Black community and the issue of race gender. You blew my mind with the shades of whiteness and bring us back to God! Thank you, Babba, and Peace , love and Blessings to you and Queen Professor Karen Hunter!!!!!!

[@jcdhalia1241]

I do appreciate Dr Black on your show, Dr Hunter for it's a time of preaching and education all in one! 👍🙏🏾

[@TheRealDySantos]

"Every color on the planet is Gods color."- I like that❤🥂

[@tf5655]

I experienced a lot of mixed messages about skin tone. On one hand, people praise my dark complexion, but on the other, their actions or mates' skin tone doesn’t always align with their words. It can be really disheartening to see such contradictions. I’m over it

[@jamesnewman6698]

Let us show support for the mothers of humanity over the devils of humanity anyday!

[@christopherharper9818]

Mic drop Dr. Black ❤️💛💚

[@eddielarute7905]

Illuminate and elevate, Say Less.

[@csporter1]

Every single color on the planet is God's color. Dr. Black said that!!

[@mikemcculloch137]

Cool to hear the RZA call in with some deep knowledge.

[@jam_is_jammin]

“As our consciousness grows, so will the means and the measure of our critique.” 🎯

[@donovanshannon1234]

Good perspective from RZA as always

[@whateverwhatever5715]

" Pardon me , I'm not done " ....i felt that

[@derektoussaint1538]

Dr Black!!!❤❤❤

[@DanielleSamoneJohnson77]

This episode just touched on so many levels of reality that tremendously impact us. Understanding the parallel of racism and patriarchy is so important to crafting their demise. Understating the way our 48 shades are used to place us in an hierarchical value to whiteness is critical to bypassing all the levels and instead accepting our likeness to God. Thank you for doing the good work here! 🙏🏾💐

[@ReinventingEnergyAndLove]

Absolutely love this program. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@Cherrelle916]

Come on Dr. BLACK! Just wow!

[@Dimi374]

48 SHADES!!❤🫶🏽

[@musclehead8649]

Brothers like Riza calling in is an eg of why Sis Karen Hunter Show is THE CLEANEST GLASS OF WATER IN THE GALAXY.

[@KarenHunterShow]

Ase...and I feel that way. I mean, Chuck D, KRS-ONE and RZA rocking with me says a lot about how this content is vibrating. I am definitely doing something right.

[@musclehead8649]

@KarenHunterShow Doing something right is an understatement. You are a BRIGHT LIGHT in dark world. You are the TRUTH in a world filled with deceit and lies. Can't stop DON'T stop . You and your platforms are NEEDED. 💐💐

[@KarenHunterShow]

@@musclehead8649 thank you.

[@janwig9347]

Mother of pearl! I had to throw that in. 😂 When you know better, you do better. Maybe...

[@davidmolina7543]

Good one.😂

[@TirraOmilade]

Thank you, RZA!

[@tyronealexander9203]

Great show. Black love. Free the dome🫶🏿💜💯

[@michelleguidry6491]

RZA dropping Gems

[@sauerjoseph]

Dr. Black: Your last words were SO endearing, SO inspired. It really moved me. Thank ou!

[@wooiiiii]

That last min from Dr Black 🔥

[@lelle1068]

Also the conversation following Melyssa Ford's brilliant comment- SALUTE

[@ckrenea]

‘Our standards should also follow and mature’ is a word 🙌🏾

[@SimplySherriJ]

Come on Dr. Black!!

[@charismao5515]

I’m so disappointed that for a second day - at the lack of conversation about the real issue of “Colorism” which is oppressive, systemic and violent towards “darker skin” people - not those in proximity to whiteness. The dismissiveness and erasure of Blackness - and thereby perpetuating anti- blackness is egregious. Please at minimum, read and learn the definition, related issues and research around colorism. This is why little black girls have so much fun unnecessary obstacles - especially in their own community.

[@Silklinen757]

We ask our men for performance not character 🤯

[@Mike-y5l2i]

Beautiful RZA is in the BUILDING 🌹

[@donovanshannon1234]

RZA

[@Mike-y5l2i]

@@donovanshannon1234 Thank you for correcting me on the Spelling of this Beautiful Man's Name.

[@waltere.colliejr.ed.d.2892]

Much love ❤️! Awesome conversation. So glad I was able to get in!!

[@mcknih1020]

Same with my seven brothers and sisters it's like every other one was dark or light skinned never new about colorism cause we fought and loved each other, I had always heard from the Nation that there was 19 shades of black But RZA's 48 shades makes even more since we go from blacker than night to the almost pass for white skinned

[@candace2117]

I’ve noticed the conversation about colorism that’s happening on social media is primarily happening between younger generations, specifically Il younger Millennials and GenZs and now the younger generations. But my friends and I are not having this conversations because at the end of the day, Black is Black and all our shades are beautiful

[@KarenHunterShow]

true...we've figured it out (Gen X, etc.)...but we didn't kill the seed of dissent.

[@mcknih1020]

Influenced by the current stage of social media

[@LadyOO]

Saying black is black is like saying American is American. If most blacks don’t see themselves as the same as white Americans then don’t expect dark skin women to see ourselves as the same as the rest of blacks.

[@mcknih1020]

@@LadyOO Black, black, black on black Black my thoughts so black Black, black on black, my skin is so black I'm rockin' that black on black, it's black Black rims on these black wheels in this black whip With this black bitch, I'm so black on black on black on black on black Black, black, black, black on black Black my thoughts so black Black, black on black, my skin is so black I'm rockin' that black on black, everything is black Black rims on these black wheels in this black whip With this black bitch, I'm so black on black on black on black on black I feel like Trayvon with this black hoodie on Huey P. Newton, Black Revolution I'm with a Nubian Queen and some illegal aliens I got a black fist balled up and it ain't just me, it's all us 400 years of oppression I'm about to get me that black Tesla Black skid marks on the pavement Cops wanna see me in a black cage Black on black on black Master Juba with the tap dance Gucci with the Dapper Dan Tell 'em, "Kiss my black ass"

[@doricetimko5403]

Thank you, Dr Hunter for expanding my awareness and understanding of myself and others.🫶🏼

[@sheliamayes8171]

I just love this show.😊

[@MsMusqi]

Dr. Black dropped jewels

[@adriangilbert5364]

Break it down Dr. Black, my God today!!!

[@MaryShields-o5m]

All of the shades of black are beautiful.

[@dunellawesby6635]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 love Dr. Black

[@sheritamitchell1036]

Took me to church AGAIN, Dr.Black!!!!👏👏👏

[@kehindeapara6071]

Dr. Black preached and I needed that message! Ashé-o! Ameen!

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

If you look at African tribes and people. They vary in shades. There are black people with green eyes and blonde thick hair. People have let america twist and warp them into this ignorance.

[@janwig9347]

America didn't start colorism, America perfected it

[@reneegraham2201]

@@janwig9347you better preach

[@biancalord488]

Yes, auburn hair, auburn eyes, & butter pecan skin, growing up with whites & blacks trying to OTHER me

[@ewrftw2416]

Those colonizers got busy. Not forgetting the missionaries! The Ironic thing is that Europeans travelled the world claiming others were "less than," yet produced progeny everywhere they went.

[@morena1484]

​@ewrftw2416 the point is that the colonizers did not provide these genes. ALL genetic makeup derives from the mitochondrial dna of a black woman. YT ppl possess recessive genes from our dominant. Which is why a lot of the majority of their features are lighter.

[@Victoria-tc5cm]

❤Welcomed Cousin! RZA to the show!![ listening to the replay, love your show Sister Karen Hunter ❤️

[@3eyedfish]

White guy - blue eyes. It was a lot easier to drop the toxicity when I gave up social media and TV. That includes pro sports. 0 Drama

[@dfayeanderson9398]

Listennnn! You have more clarity, peace and sense of self-worth when you give up "The Persuaders"- TV, radio, mags and social media. Think it's time to take a break. Thanks!

[@lifebeyondthering]

Karen, This Show was 🔥

[@teresam5199]

Consent, and what it means, has not changed in at least 40 years. No excuses

[@2BGMedia]

I’ve been tuned in for years and rarely comment. I love your podcast so much.

[@KarenHunterShow]

thank you.

[@veronicajade20]

"Every single color on the planet is God's color." Absolutely love this quote from Dr. Black! *I read somewhere there is some kind of colorism amongst whites.* For example, blonde hair, blue eyes, straight hair, and paler skin being the preferred look over brunette hair, brown eyes, curly hair, and _naturally_ occurring tan skin - _especially amongst women._ Many people (ESPECIALLY black males) often _whine_ about black women straightening their hair or wearing extensions in a racist society that literally tells black women their natural coily, ziggy hair is unprofessional, unpresentable, & unattractive. 😒They rarely say anything about white women constantly using hair dye, often using it to turn their hair blonde. And people rarely say anything about the fact that quite a few white women use hair extensions & use things like straightening irons to straighten their hair too.

[@TirraOmilade]

For the first time in my life I realize how much we are the generation that are crossing us into a new time, a new way of being. It's up to us define what the new man/woman/human are in this new age. I have more peace finally about how turmultuous these times are in our community.

[@jamesreid7253]

That was such a GREAT point that Dr. Black made.

[@tracyjohnson3394]

Got some good medicine listening to this. We can heal..

[@misscheesecake1952]

Love love love your show!! I listen everyday

[@ArleneKelton]

This show is always on point.

[@Kelli85]

I heard this live and thought to conversation was strong.. Hearing this a second time makes it more powerful.

[@MichaelJohnson-wk8tk]

Great conversation. Thanks.

[@theresawebb1968]

Great discussion here I agree with this.

[@marianplummer3538]

Preach, Dr Black!!

[@themainecr]

Preach!

[@QUEENSBRIDGE_10TH_ST231]

I just wanted to say your intro music is everything. Gotta love PE.

[@nicolereyes9420]

Go on Dr Black!

[@gregorypeterson9]

Great podcast...had to sit in this conversation and digest this message. 💯👏🏽❤

[@Sandrapsgenxtra]

I always loved the RZA and the way his mind works.

[@ltwyman7]

damn I'm glad the clip this.....this was very much needed to say and discuss! Bad behavior is bad behavior no matter if it's a little or alot. Treat Folks the way you want to be treated....PERIOD!!!!!!!!! And yes there is different shades of white....preach Dr. Daniel Black!!

[@trzagor2769]

If we blacks are still talking about colourism, that means we have taken a step backwards to the plantation! Period!

[@michellesmith8912]

In so many ways, it seems we never left.

[@jeffwilliams2828]

Taken a step backwards? When did we ever step past colorism?

[@amaris7619]

The conversation has always been a topic because it’s by design!

[@shaddozer0ne115]

It's always been the topic. You just never paid attention until it popped up in your algorithm.

[@juanita1176]

Who is "we". I believe the "WE" we are talking about has never had our own schools where we could possibly learn about "we".

[@Joe-r5h7j]

This is the kind of black man, I like to hang with 💯

[@kimgardner2281]

Doctor Black is 🔥.

[@reeractivist7561]

Dr. Black, My Grandmother said when you hear the TRUTH say Yeah and Amen......To your commentary I say; "YEAH and AMEN". Tell the TRUTH and SHAME the DEVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dangerusscurvs4709]

LOVE THIS NEW INTRO!!

[@davidbiggers5791]

Dr. Black got deep on us!

[@KarenHunterShow]

always does.

[@wraithx7]

Dr. Black is right about the various shades of whiteness.

[@marthettalewis5107]

🗣️Karen… The RZA, called our show! OMG 😱 ❤❤❤ Such a pleasant surprise ❤🖤💚

[@TirraOmilade]

Dr. Black is bringing it!

[@rachellee5818]

Thank you for playing M Ford. Everything she said was truth. Women were expected to allow things happened. It was not asked. It was demanded. And was the norm.

[@pooroflevi]

The Dr. was fired up! 😂 I love it.

[@nirrti7]

Why should men get to tell grown women what to do? When are we gonna shake off that patriarchal bs when it comes to our autonomy?

[@lifedash]

Women should not be told what to do. Unfortunately if a discussion goes from disagreement to argument / conflict we as (black) men immediately get labeled as “toxic”. That’s the frustration that we men speak about among ourselves.

[@alicestiward9716]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Adults don’t need “instructions”; but, they do need discussion, compromise and agreement on a result, whatever the issue might be. If the only time a man feels he can “protect” a woman is when she follows his “instructions”, that’s not protection, but paternalism and domination.

[@EinsteinKnowedIt]

When you get all the women all the time thinking in synch on an issue, you will get change.

[@teresam5199]

​​@@jwdoublejprotection has nothing to do with control. Does the military regulate or pass laws in our society? Do you take instructions from the armed forces? No! It's simply a foolish attempt to use protection of women (from other males I might add) as a justification to control them. If anyone should be under control or restrictions it should be the males that women need protection from!

[@AnthonySmith-ld1lz]

I over understood …! 💯

[@RCCrosby]

The Civil Rights Act was the Emancipation of Men, it freed Men from the obligation of sharing their resources with women and allowed women to work for themselves. Women's labor force participation rate grew from 34% in 1950 to 60% in 2000.

[@magharry10]

Dr. Black. Wow!

[@youngmrc]

On social media, the divide and conquer strategy of using colorism to divide is strong. It’s by design.

[@ChocoBeauty8]

Definitely by design as well as gender wars,classism Olympics, and rage bait

[@fsexpresscleaningservices5720]

Melyssa is a cast member now! Most days we, "the comments section" feel bad for her for having to deal with a bunch of idiots on that show! She needs a new w better platform!

[@KarenHunterShow]

she needs her own...it seems. but it's good that she can sift through the nonsense and land on insight.

[@MsHoneyloop]

I'm glad you came to the comments and said this.. I am a listener of their show and yes she is surrounded by a bunch of misogynistic idiots! She's super smart and extremely articulate. I actually like the show for it's comedic and hip hop commentary.. But Joe knew what he was doing when he hired her, she does bring the balance amongst the toxic masculinity. She really does need to be on a better platform..

[@fsexpresscleaningservices5720]

@@MsHoneyloop I use to enjoy her take on things, but now I can't stand listening when she's there because of how Joe treats her like a child and you can tell she REALLY needs the job. She's soooo afraid to go against Joe's takes on anything, even though you can tell when she totally disagreed with him.. it's actually cringe worthy now days. And the other guys won't even defend her. (Except for Ice).

[@Sclass_Ent]

Just cuz u don't agree wit people's perspective don't make them idiots, don't reduce yourself to subjgation

[@ReinventingEnergyAndLove]

Doctor Black toxic masculinity variations was so deep and on point. "I wanna break the hand that wrote this stressful plan on being a man."

[@sharonjones5096]

Loved that

[@miahleslie6183]

You only bring High Vibes and pride Respect meaningful podcast thoughts Thank you ❤❤

[@TheNickiok]

Whiteness in shades is real! Preach Dr Black! We are all one in God 🙌🏽

[@trendfate1014]

I love it! "God's color"💖 I love it Dr Black, but is speak to our connection.

[@vintagechild4418]

ASE’ Dr. Black!

[@kadeemk4679]

Egg shell, off white, pearl, 😂😅