Karl Marx - From Socrates to Sartre (1979)

[@Philosophy_Overdose]

00:00 The Young Hegelian 28:09 Alienated Man 56:09 The Conflict of Classes 1:24:11 The World to Come

[@anindyabhattacharya840]

I am impressed. Wish I had had a teacher like you in my student life.

[@alaindezii4445]

She's so good....I've never heard it explained that way.

[@olympiahendrix4392]

Intelligence is rather dazzling isn't it? LOL It makes you very sad when looking around these days.

[@thebrickton1947]

Poor soul, she's an anachronism, read some history, the bright eyed children in these coments appear like moths in the light of the flame.

[@dkblack1289]

She is so good? She is eloquent alright but she provides a capitalist's critique of Marx...meaning, her understanding of Marx is ideological and perspective skewed. Were there two Marxes? Of course not, and Marx's early work does not de-auntheticate his scientific approach to economics. She tries to plant doubt which to say the least is disingenuous which serves the establishment well. How could the critique be neutral if it was aired on PBS? It's job is to propagandize Americans and to make sure that you do not read Daz Kapita for yourself, after all, it was annotated for you by Thelma Z Levine. They don't have to ban Capita; they just use the better ones among us to give it a twist...a bad twist. People like Thelma are establishment plants to ensure that Marxism is disparaged. This pure propaganda. Feminism allows her even to say that some of best Marx's work were authored by his wife Jenny. Thhis absolute bull without evidence.

[@clemfarley7257]

Lol. We don’t need her or Strauss or Yale’s political-philosophy department to debunk vulgar (true) Marxism or the more modern, Koheve-revised, gaps-filled-in Marxism, the endless failed Marxist experiments debunked Marxism. But let’s keep it on an intellectual, theoretical plane wherein Marx showed the most promise.

[@mikcarrillo3527]

Such a great presentation.

[@ipdavid1043]

Detailed yet classic

[@nilsanieves3457]

Great lecturer. I wish my college professors had been 1/4 as good.

[@MarkWilliams-bk9xq]

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[@MarkWilliams-bk9xq]

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[@MarkWilliams-bk9xq]

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[@MarkWilliams-bk9xq]

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[@almodovar251]

I am a Ph.D. In philosophy and an academic. I love this, and it is so true to my roots!

[@sirbeardcat]

was really looking forward to more from this series, tyvm!

[@MichaelYoder1961]

These old televised gems are much more interesting (albeit dated) than just a picture with a voice. I watched the series on Existentialism - hooked. If you can dig up more of these old talks that would be FAB - I know Alan Watts did a series from LA back in the 60s on Taoism

[@gary100dm]

PBS

[@dkblack1289]

@@gary100dmThey are gems if you are a capitalist. She is obviously an eloquent anti-Marxist; a useful tool for McCarthyist.

[@tomzhao103]

I accidently once tuned into a tv channel in 1995 and watched your lectures, was very impressed, even more today.

[@andreselectrico]

What a thrilling teacher!

[@thebrickton1947]

Bah humbug, she's just a racial fan girl, go jews, lol.

[@materialism4080]

My God, Thelma L’aviné is a mesmerizing unique educator,

[@TennesseeJed]

This is one intellectually gifted teacher!

[@almodovar251]

This lecture was awesome! Thank you! We are the last of the intellectuals who can appreciate this knowledge!

[@niksatan]

Yess, best episode!

[@bambajirekla6820]

Brilliant delivery!

[@Enki0047]

Where can I find more of her talking about philosophy?

[@colonelweird]

American Archive of Public Broadcasting

[@Karlushy]

⁠@@colonelweird I found their website, but videos aren’t available outside the US (I’m European) 😌

[@kirkdominguez673]

When the power of love exceeds the love of power the the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix

[@michaelsteven1090]

What? When did Jimi say that?

[@mattsteinle2182]

Thelma Lavine was the head of the Philosophy Department at G.W.U. when I was an undergraduate there between 1970 and 1974. Her charisma was undeniable. I graduated with Special Honors in Philosophy.

[@MrXYZMEE]

Can you make a playlist with this series please?

[@blakevitali1176]

Excellent !

[@kevinchang1371]

This woman is incredible.

[@gary100dm]

She is the best. 😮

[@bzxshor67mpts]

I wish I had a teacher like this Lady. Exceptionally very good

[@EzraAChen]

Original and spell bound professor actually she is major in American pragmatism and with great erudition and scholarship

[@bzxshor67mpts]

It is a good time to reevaluate our economic structures in history.Alienation , massive population growth, resources, climate change and major inequality are all big issues which need to be addressed for human survival

[@MartinUrbanek1707]

Which of these issues would you say is the biggest one?

[@bzxshor67mpts]

@@MartinUrbanek1707 inequality and a distorted consciousness making people live in an unreal world where people who willing vote for what those who shape our world in the interests of the privilege d

[@MartinUrbanek1707]

@@bzxshor67mpts Right, I think I get it. If people understood these issues, than a change would be possible. But what would be the answer? What would the ideal system look like?

[@bzxshor67mpts]

@@MartinUrbanek1707 Patriarchal rule has been with us for thousands of years. We need a different structural type of Governance preferably with smart people who are more connected with a philosophy around living with preservation and living with nature to enhance the human spirit rather than making money and materialism as our God. A UN style of governance with Buddhism values maybe

[@MartinUrbanek1707]

@@bzxshor67mpts I completely agree, I would say that the principle of development of the human spirit is the very foundation on which every system should be based. However, part of that individual development is the understanding of the necessity to create value for other people and I don't see how it is inconsistent with making money as part of ethics. To put it simply... making money for myself can actually be understood as creating value for others. In my eyes, that makes it a necessary part of an ideal arrangement of human affairs. Would you agree or do I get something wrong in my reasoning?

[@Lahoucine_]

thank you

[@terencenxumalo1159]

good work

[@alijoueizadeh2896]

Thank you.

[@jordanoconnor4954]

Fantastic

[@tracyhennessey4451]

All that from a man who lived off the good graces of others.

[@ms-jl6dl]

He is of wealthy parents,like most of lefty ideologists. (CheGuevara,Fidel Castro,Trotsky,Betancour...)

[@karwoski91]

You have to be critical and argument about the though hot his living condition, complete unnecessary comment, make a good use of reason if you have any.

[@dashboardkid21]

She literally mentions how Jenny had to sell of her silver in order to move to London, share a two bedroom, loss children.. oh and they lived off Engles...@@ms-jl6dl

[@thechekist2044]

47:50 Engels did marry once, I guess this wasn't known when this lecture was made.

[@JesusChrist8451]

"You can return to France, but you are forbidden to live in Paris." And so they moved to London.

[@Syntifik100]

her voice is magnetic . smart lady

[@gary100dm]

What would Henry Ford say?

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Wish I had known my invention would accelerate climate change 😢

[@HenryRaeburn367]

​@@bernardofitzpatrick5403Ford didn't invent the car he was the investor who mass produced the car, his assembly line was the first automated car factory which created his fortune, he definitely hated union organised workers and Marxism

[@Booer]

I feel like this has been reuploaded like each month

[@anatorres-ym8ke]

thank god

[@ShotReverseShot]

These long takes are incredible. I wish there were a blooper reel 😂

[@KristinP-zi2dj]

"the real is rational, and the rational is real.

[@aclark903]

Too narrow a view of #real. As #Freud will show shortly after this.

[@ottobulut]

I like how she pronounces the “h” in what and who.😂 A great clear voice though.

[@olympiahendrix4392]

when was this presentation done? did I miss a date somewhere?

[@hankkingsley9183]

She is well known for the televised lecture series ' 'From Socrates to Sartre, A Historical Introduction to Philosophy' ', put on by the Maryland Center for Public Broadcasting in 1979. The series comprised thirty lectures, and it has been praised for making philosophy accessible to the public. Lavine's most famous publication-' 'From Socrates to Sartre, The Philosophic Quest'[5] '(1984) grew out of the televised lectures, over 250,000 copies were published in the United States and it was also translated into Japanese.[6]

[@JulietMoradian-vh2py]

Great, great, great.

[@Invictus66475]

To owner of this channel; I want to contact with you please !

[@addytov]

Best

[@ivst3655]

It is time for Universal Basic Income worldwide! ✊

[@dkblack1289]

There is no conflict between the young Marx and the mature Marx but those who want to bury Marx want to tell us that Marx was confused. But even if there was a conflct, those of us who have done maths often follow a wrong thread which leads to wrong solution only later for you to realise that somewhere , your assumption was wrong. You correct it and get the right solution. Does the earler make you less a mathematician? If fact, it makes you better that you can go back and spot an error. But because Marx must be burried by capitalists, they look for bright philosophers like Thelma to do the burying. This is establishment's anti-Marxism rant.

[@jasonrose6288]

You're assuming his final position was correct.

[@dkblack1289]

@@jasonrose6288 Yes I do. Capitalists have buried Marx through murder, wars, force and persecution .

[@jasonrose6288]

@@dkblack1289 Marxism killed itself - and a lot of innocent people in the process. It should, in terms of its human toll, be as discredited as that other sick ideology of the twentieth century.

[@LechugaWable]

Also social sciences are not Sciences

[@brianmeen2158]

@@LechugaWableand Karl Marx should have been canceled for his extreme racism

[@RenatusChristoph]

33:00

[@samd8016]

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[@brianmeen2158]

It is fascinating to me that so many say they are proud followers of Karl Marx - he was as racist as they come. He was hardcore racist yet that is never mentioned. I wonder why?

[@harmonicabraceforguitar1523]

Because they don't want people to know what Jews are really like. Jews started Communism, liberalism comes from The Talmud

[@karwoski91]

So what? Judge his works impartially if you can, that was a feeble accuse

[@zakmatew]

Love him!

[@michaelsteven1090]

@@zakmatewwhy? You want that society?

[@zakmatew]

@@michaelsteven1090 yes! H believe in a strong society where the middle class is strong and free to express itself! Unfortunately in Ms y communist countries this didn’t happen

[@saintlybeginnings]

4:39 - French Revolution didn’t bring about freedom, but jealousy & blind lust for power that the others had and they didn’t. It was America’s Revolution, that kept God center, that Freedoms & Rights come from the Christian understanding, a freewill which comes w/ responsibility & accountability.. Spot on about Marx/ Hegelians that reasoned their way into believing they are each gods

[@bzxshor67mpts]

I think Marx maybe failed to consider individuals EGO which comes into play where self interest leads to corruption and self interest which makes communal structures for fairness fall apart. Eg Russia,s oligarchs is all about individual Ego destroying interest of communal systems working

[@DawsonSWilliams]

Please keep the full sample of the sublime ‘Nintendo’ music at the beginning! Marx was a great journalist.

[@MelissaR784]

The radical nature of his writings would eventually get him expelled by the governments of Germany, France and Belgium. He couldn't provide for his family as a journalist.

[@Kulah-SS]

1:29

[@ivst3655]

Unfortunately there are no more TV programs like this. It is all vulgariry like Love Island, BGT, ect....

[@samloutalbotmusic]

A fem Sugrue!

[@donalfoley2412]

She is good. But what about this; Hegel gave us a slave philosophy (the end of history is the Prussian state). Marx half-understood Hegel’s slave philosophy (between drunken bouts), and abandoned the idealists (rightly so) without realizing that matter and spirit are reconcilable (as a bad philosophy student he only saw idealism versus materialism, without understanding what Plato, Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, Descartes, Leibniz, Spinoza…. Might have to say). He accepted materialism as the only only alternative to Hegel’s idealism. Engels boasted that Marx turned Hegel on his head. In fact he had never really grasped Hegel. He made a narrow unjustifiable version of it that was meant to be simpler and more true but was in fact just narrower and less true. Everything could be explained, Marx said, by purely physical causes (leaving out Marx’s own reasoning which escaped miraculously and illogically from the material dialectic). There is no mind, no spirit, so according to my own mind there is only the material thesis and antithesis (something I picked up from Hegel without any union of minds). And then he said that it was time to stop thinking and time to start doing (according to the plan he had spent so long elaborating). Then the Marxists started getting to work. The rest is bloody history. And the last chapter hasn’t been written yet.

[@donalfoley2412]

To be fair to Marx, in his last days when he saw what his followers were doing, he made a point of saying ‘I am not a Marxian.’

[@dkblack1289]

The most propagandized people in the world are Americans like you. No wonder the best their system has is Trump/ Kamala. Two sides of the idiot coin.

[@pallabidutta968]

According to Hegel, the driving force of this universe is Idea. While Marxism teaches us to see the driving force in the universe as matter or money. According to Marx, even the most sacred of the religious doctrines or ideologies are driven by or motivated towards 💰💰💰💰💶💷💸💸💸.

[@olympiahendrix4392]

I had a NDE when I was 24. It was illuminating and quite revealing! This is all hogwash at the end. Life is exhausting when we are forced to listen to the pontificating, knowing that they too will come to the sudden surprise of KNOWING with Certainty. Boom! that fast! Be kind! Ask and you shall receive, most likely!😊

[@RockPile_]

@@eflatmac1I’m pretty sure he said that was true for all of human history (though money = resources)

[@RockPile_]

@@eflatmac1 he said that the way resources were produced and distributed defined all the stuff that’s downstream

[@rmcq1999]

@@eflatmac1 And yet not remotely as fucked up as Marxism, with it's murder and mass starvation. Capitalism is also the single most effective system in giving the common man economic agency and a degree of self determination previously unseen. This is why Marxism has fragmented and festered into new strains such as Marcuse, Foucault etc. Marx's predictions came to nothing. The working class became more affluent and satisfied, didn't revolt; and so these commie scumbags re-tooled their drivel in other ways and aimed at rotting successful capitalist societies out from inside their own institutions.

[@Silly.Old.Sisyphus]

oh, you silly woman! there was no shift from humanism to science - there was merely a progression and broadening of ideas, an extension of the young Marx's focus on the inner man to, in his later writings, the mechanisms that drive society (which you rightly infer was influenced by Engels) - but these two foci are perfectly compatible; one is an extension of the other, not a shift from one paradigm to another. At the start of her second lecture, the reason for her confusion becomes clear: she is too literal-minded - unable to read the poetic meaning of his prose, she misrepresents him as a bloodthirsty tyrant desirous of beheading capitalists, even when his own income comes from a capitalist - Engels' father, via his son. It is said that Americans don't understand irony; this one doesn't understand allegory either!

[@tomzhao103]

She is very intelligent, you are no compair.

[@hugh261]

The whole rebellion leading to an ideal world part is certainly dubious. The awareness of the issues of runaway greed can find support in the framing of owner interests vs. worker best interests. Capitalists are quick to point to the gains and ideals of capitalism, but the observable practices which create unintended consequences remain un addressed in their propagandistic pronouncements.

[@dashboardkid21]

They should have ended it at 1:44:17 the shit that came out of her mouth after that point was right out of the McCarthyism playbook.

[@lucas-qc2fj]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 grow up kid. Let the people have their own ideas and spread it how they prefer.

[@jasonjestin]

So… not to dampen this incredible presentation which I am absolutely loving but this week Elon Musk announced that Tesla will make more money, not from its cars, but from robots which will have the dexterity of most any human along with AI intelligence and hence will do our work for “us”. Crazy as it seems but I can’t help but wonder what will happen when the proletariat are no longer the one who do the work - where does that leave the class structure revolution. Food for thought.

[@ms-jl6dl]

In gulags,obviously.

[@jakell99]

Marcuse pre-empted this quite a while back by redefining the Proletariat as 'oppressed peoples'. This sounds ok until you realise that this is a very flexible grouping that can be constructed and then demolished within a relatively short space of time. Even shorter now that we are hooked together digitally. Feminism followed this arc in a way most can appreciate. It took five years from Marcuse' 'Essay on Liberation' for the Combahee River Collective to outline and launch the intersectional slow death of Feminism. The announcement that Feminism was in its Third Wave actually marked its ossification and decline towards where a woman can no longer be defined. Now we start to see shorter lived incursions via Critical Race Theory and Queer Theory although this last might turn out to be the acid that eats through everything ( _including_ classical Marxism)

[@tolethom]

Marx is the truth

[@johnmanole4779]

Pray to the all might Marx! The supreme God of the sheep minded people.

[@karwoski91]

Terrible undestanding of Marx, even after two hours of lecture. You're fucked up mate

[@Thomas-ry8xq]

Communism doesn't work. I love how this lady lived long enough to see Communism fall in 1989.

[@dkblack1289]

You will live long enough to see capitalism fall...I grant you that.

[@BrandonWilliams-wf6hg]

aww yes the genius who put forth the worlds most murderous ideology

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Nazism and fascism has that “honour “ , perhaps ? 😢

[@Jaysonbc1234]

Give me free stuffs

[@thebrickton1947]

By the power of inflation, we shall give you free stuff to the detriment of others children, too busy and stupified by spectacles, they will never know we robbed them blind, bwa ha ha ha, suffer the children!

[@xxcoopcoopxx]

Fun fact about Karl Marx: He critiqued labor and never labored in his life. He never dug a ditch or used a shove like Hesiod or Big John Brown the Steel Driving Man. No Communist has myth about their labor skills. He just read some books about poverty and thought, it's the rich people's fault that are descendants of laborers that worked hard and saved for their family. So, instead of helping those in poverty discover emancipation, he convinces the world that laziness is the best. Always pretend you know what you're talking about, like Karl Marx. Never dig a ditch for irrigation or build a foundation for your community. Avoid that shit like a plague called slavery. Don't take Hesiods advice.

[@brianmeen2158]

I don’t think Karl Marx ever worked a day in his life lol.

[@sudsehun76]

not in a capitalistic sense.

[@BrandonWilliams-wf6hg]

​@@sudsehun76 so bumming off your friends is non capitalistic work?

[@sudsehun76]

@@BrandonWilliams-wf6hg what part confused you?

[@BrandonWilliams-wf6hg]

@@sudsehun76 the part where he never did a day of work in his life and you said not in a capitalistic sense.

[@sudsehun76]

@@BrandonWilliams-wf6hg yes, i know what i said. why is it so hard for you to understand?

[@msannthrope1863]

Philosophy is, and always was, mental masturbation. The rational is real and the real is rational. Is green really green?

[@widowsson8192]

This lecture just exposes to me how terrible Marx's philosophy is. He spent the first half of his life denouncing capitalism, "exposing" and explaining the supposed exploitation of workers, calling for revolution, then spent the second half of his life witnessing the advance of living standards for workers through the system he dedicated his entire life trying to overthrow. An intellectually honest person would have reexamine his theory but Marx instead doubled down and wrote Das Capital.

[@jakell99]

I tend to give Marx a pass as he was living in a time before Capitalism has developed sufficient checks and balances. Today's Marxists who blindly bang that drum are either liars, silly idealists, or have been ideologically captured by liars (the average age of self-identifed Marxists today speaks to this last)..

[@svenlietmeyer7113]

one of the dumbest critics i ever heard.

[@widowsson8192]

@svenlietmeyer7113 explain why...

[@svenlietmeyer7113]

Why should marx theory be wrong if the condition of the proletariat can improve under capitalism? Marx even concluded that that would happen. U gotta read some

[@widowsson8192]

@svenlietmeyer7113 I've read Marx, currently read Das capital. This video explains Marx theory, he did not predict that the proletariat would become richer, he predicted they would become poorer due to capitalist lowering their wages in order to sell their products at a lower cost to compete. Marx didn't account at all for innovation making labor more productive.

[@TheWhitehiker]

Advocate of communism; spare us. It has been the worse political movement in world history. As for Marx's biography, he was unappealing, to say the least.

[@atomariola6410]

I read this as a Highschooler and was simultaneously working for Greenpeace. The text is a joke. A woman posing as a philosopher is a more preoblematic joke. Show me one woman philospher who hasn't done something great like invent the Chocolate Chip Cookie. That is on your list of woman inventions. A fucking cookie. My main feminist go to Philosopher has met and debated Jordan peterson and agreed on everything. Camille Paglia.

[@andreselectrico]

What a thrilling teacher!