KarQ ranks OW2 DPS HEROES w/ NEW ROLE PASSIVE (Tier List)

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[@raynorwinclair]

Soldier easy S. Reload speed gets more relevant the more consistent a hero deals their damage, also Soldier strongly benefits from movement speed (affects not only repositioning but also strafe-shooting). Rocket jumps will very rarely be affected, usually you don't save Helix for parkouring after a kill... However the movement speed is definitely not useless while inside Healing Station, either for strafing during a fight or for evading damage (tactical epileptic attack) while healing up

[@nowun6043]

Chasing people down with visor like in beta 1 will be nutty, it's also already got halved reload time of 0.75 secs so an additional 25% shaved off means the potential DPS goes through the roof

[@EriksWorld14]

strafing around that much only hurts you. just look at Dafran, his movement isn't super crazy but its very intentional. He's upper A tier but not S.

[@Pheminon1]

You're forgetting that Soldier is not a close range fighter. He's mid range close to long. If you're putting yourself in a position that requires you need that movement speed, then your positioning is off and you'll probably be killed before you even get the buff. So, speed buff is not THAT important for him. Reload speed is kinda good, but it's not as good as people that shoot faster or do more damage per shot like Tracer or Reaper, respectively. But, I haven't been able to play OW2 for the second close beta because I didn't want to pay $40 and I was busy for the 3 days that they let everyone play. So, maybe my opinion will change when I have more perspective.

[@414PRisky]

He runs a lil slower

[@K3nji_S]

Some benefit from the passive, some are indifferent from it. But we all benefit from KarQ's outro😂

[@dylanwelsh4007]

I think a movement speed on widow while trying to line up shots is really counterproductive

[@banuner_]

@@dylanwelsh4007 yeah itll probably throw peoples aim off for a bit until they get used to the speed change

[@bithooked]

One thing missed in this review is how often the passive gets invoked. It's a combination of elims per 10 minutes (so Sombra is second from the bottom) but also how spread out elimns usually are. A good example is their ults. Riptire is only going to incur 1x per ult even if Junk gets a multi kill, while Visor could repeatedly invoke the passive. Meanwhile supportive ults like Sym wall will not invoke the passive at all.

[@asilverr1416]

they lowkey sleeping on soilder

[@bluasterisk]

Being a support is pretty unsatisfying in OW2. One less tank to peel and build ult with, DPS on your team are harder to heal and enemy DPS are harder to duel, and there aren't really CC to help you out very much anymore. Sure a sleep works, but that's just one target diving you. I don't understand why they aren't considering why the support queues are so short like the tank queues were in OW1.

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

ow2 is the dps show, its very annoying playing as a support just getting deleted over and over

[@Ruby_33]

Skill issue

[@magmarxiogaming6717]

honestly i think junkrat is a sleeper pick, that extra ground movement helps with backpedaling from spicy situations and getting kills on the end of his reloads can allow for more explosive results. you're getting chased by a phara mercy combo and you're low on ammo, you get a hit on the mercy with you frag but it doesn't kill so you use the conc mine's range to blast that little bit left in the angel and you get the kill, now you're not only able to pressure the phara but also keep up with them thanks to that extra movement, junkrat works best when he has the high ground and this also allows him to get to that quicker

[@Sam_Is_The_Name]

One benefit to the new role passive is we get to see all our favourite content creators more! 👌😎 Slick moves!

[@craftyplayz8150]

I think Cassidy benefits from this passive much more than KarQ realizes. Sure it may help with repositioning and stuff with his primary fire, but it enables Cass to use his Secondary Fire MUCH more often and much more reliably in close range situations. Also think that this passive’s biggest winner is tracer. Because tracer empties her clip in 1 second and it takes 1 second to reload, you’re basically increasing her raw damage output by like an 8th which may not seem like a lot but it’s much more than you think. and making her much harder to hit.

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

tracer will be even more disgusting fun...

[@nicolasleroux5302]

Definitely agree. If Cass gets a pick, he can obliterate a Reinhardt shield all by himself (right click, roll, right click, reload quickly, right click). 900 damage in just a few seconds.

[@DovahTheHero]

McCree*

[@Randomberendey2048]

@@DovahTheHero agreed

[@Freekymoho]

Tracer has to get a pick first though, she will usually have to disengage shortly after that

[@naseb79]

Tracer is really gonna benefit the most from this new passive all she has to do is get one Elimination, btw assists count as eliminations.

[@WholeMega]

I feel like this passive is going to change very quickly… imagine the new passive with a soldier ult as well as kirikos ult😅(assuming the effects stack)

[@nicholasmessmer510]

Add a junkerqueen and a lucio as well

[@iYafee]

@@nicholasmessmer510 never talk about that garbage ass duo ever again.

[@tomcruise7481]

​@@nicholasmessmer510 no please not again we just got out of that era😭

[@nicholasmessmer510]

@@tomcruise7481 apparently hog is super strong with kirikio

[@Orthane]

I honestly preferred just the flat movespeed increase. Some Heroes basically don't even get any benefit from this at all.

[@feartheghus]

I would dare say the snipers are, if anything, harmed by it.

[@marinemanaphy101]

@@feartheghus I would agree with that tbh. Playing a sniper relies on some predictability in your movement, and if it’s going to sporadically shift from minute to minute, it will be an impediment, especially since you can’t practice with it in a realistic way. It’s going to force a lot of snipers to stand still more when their movement is boosted and they can’t aim around that, and puts them more at a disadvantage.

[@flatfacepuggo1779]

As a Widow main, move speed messes up your aim. Sometimes you aim while strafing and your speed is constant, having a sudden boost will mess things up. Just like when a Lucio passes you with speed boost and makes you move erratically and miss.

[@tooooomboh]

Yup that was my thought as a ganzo main too.

[@MystFox1314]

I honestly don't think DPS need a passive Tanks and Supports have passives that address weaknesses/grievances with the role (being bullied/ult batteries and needing to waste resources on themselves) What would DPS all have in common that can be addressed with a passive?

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

i agree with you for sure, but what they all have in common is the kill potential so the passive makes sense, yea its not perfect, i would rather not have it but its fine they are probably going to change it someday

[@aethersome]

As a Genji main, overwatch 2 is my personal playground, and you all are only invited visitors. This passive only proves that more

[@ngocosmic4400]

@@aethersome I've hooked many Genji in my day friend. Them sneaky ninjas think since they can wall climb that I won't pull them from another dimension.

[@cam7851]

I feel like they didn’t nerf Genji because of his mythic skin. He’s going to be even more broken now with speed boost during blade.

[@blackbolt5243]

Genji was never broken. That’s just what people in Gold and below think since they don’t know how to deal with him.

[@BrofUJu]

Genji was just getting played in OWL because of JQ, that's all

[@joshamm1995]

@@blackbolt5243 Genji is unironically the metric for when the game is balanced. When he's strong but counterable, the game tends to be in a decent place.

[@lil_papa_bart150]

@@blackbolt5243 swear

[@Ohenheim]

The only reason Genji is being play so much is because Tracer got a big nerf

[@Tom-101]

Yeah, agree with this. Especially Genji and Tracer which are the only two DPS which have bonus base movement speed as is.

[@btxo23]

you know what, I love KarQ bc he is not only giving us the info like other ow based yt channels. He is actually giving us his opinion and also a hero tier list and I just simply love that

[@hypno5690]

Low standards lol.

[@c00LKIDsix9]

The main issue with the dps role passives and why I think they keep changing it is because it always helps some characters way more than others. Like the knockback reduction and less ult farm on tanks is good on all tanks. The passive heal on healers is good on all healers. But the speed boost was infinitely better on Soldier and Sombra than it was on widow. The same with this one as well. I think they are going to have to either give the more stagnant characters like Widow and Hanzo who don't benefit from these role passives something extra, or bring in a sub role passive for certain characters. IDK what it would be but a blanket role passive clearly isn't working for DPS, its too varied of a role.

[@endless_del]

i agree. they need separate passives for dps subroles. snipers need their own, flankers need their own, beaters need their own, etc. i think it would be cool if they also gave ana the sniper passive but i'm also afraid it would make her way too strong depending on what it is lmao

[@LaquanDawsonBlackKing]

@@endless_del or just don't give dps a passive as they are already stronger in ow2 because of the games design changes

[@revan5293]

As a support player I am scared for the new dps passive

[@fredericabernkastel8354]

it's a ridiculous passive.. hopefully it won't last long in the game

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

they want the dps show in ow2, supports are ment to just get deleted over and over

[@BED_WITH_NO_MAN]

Bastion with that 25% movement speed in turret is gonna go crazy

[@i-am-mercurial]

Widow benefits a lot imo, increase strafe speed whilst ADS is huge

[@Fhernn]

I think the increased move speed on snipers might throw people's aim off a bit. Suddenly moving faster when scoped then moving normally again

[@HappyFunRun]

I mainly play dps, but I don't think dps should have any passives tbh. Maybe a little movement speed, but not like in Blizzards approach.

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

they want the dps show in ow2, supports are gonna get deleted over and over its annoying.

[@Imp3rdLord]

Note with torb is his turret and ult will just randomly give him the buff even if he isnt focusing them cause if they tap someone before they die they get the elim right.

[@sebastianrusso6749]

its huge for torb. he gets elims every second with turret plus itll stack with overload plus his reload already takes forever. with overload plus passive he can literally play as a tank and just run into the enemy team

[@generalowen4344]

So is this tier about how much they are affected by the buff or how strong they are overall with the buff? Because especially for Bastions it’s very much like night and day depending on context. If we’re gonna go with how much is the buff gonna make an effect on Bastion then yes he does fit in the A tier. But if we’re judging his whole kit after the buff then definitely C tier. Because it still doesn’t solve the massive problem which is the miserable state of Recon mode. You can go to Sentry form and do some good plays but once you’re back to Recon the speed is basically only good at trying to escape incoming damage cuz you’re probably in the front lines where everyone is gonna shoot you. And Recon’s gun is very much better used at ranges and not on the face combat. So unless Blizzard does something about Sentry form being locked for at least 67% of any match I don’t see Bastion being used over other DPS heroes anytime soon. I thought of a fix of course which is implementing the same system for Orisa’s gun for Sentry form. Where you can use it for 6 seconds but if it overheats it enters the 12 sec cooldown. And you can make tge recovery time if it doesn’t overheat also 6 seconds the same as the usage itself. This will bring a much bigger skill gap on when to use Sentry form and when to save it while being able to switch between them for fighting flankers which would normally destroy Recon mode.

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

How they’re effected by the buff IIRC. Think he mentions it halfway through the video

[@Just_a_Tool]

I don't get it. They say swapping in OW2 isn't needed so new heroes in the battle pass doesn't matter. But then they go back and make a change that insentivises swapping. So is it important or not?

[@justpassingby7569]

It's important, but from what I understand the devs don't want it to be your only option. I think that this is less of "encouraging heroes to swap" and more "making it less annoying to swap". I've had multiple times that I've been playing a character and I want to swap but I have like 60% ult charge so I think maybe I'll swap after. this just makes it more comfortable to do. What I'm trying to say it that it doesn't incentivize swapping, it just makes it a bit more comfortable.

[@intotheunknown4466]

If Kiriko is used a lot, I think Torbs ultimate will become more useful and be a decent counter.

[@merycabral1849]

There are alot of counter plays to kiriko ult

[@intotheunknown4466]

@@merycabral1849 yep there are

[@pedroholanda7795]

@@merycabral1849 like what

[@merycabral1849]

@@pedroholanda7795 you can treat it like enemy Baptise ult or just put something inside kirikos ultimate like hanzo dragon

[@Im_SSJay]

@@merycabral1849 dam ur right, hanzo highly counters her

[@feartheghus]

The snipers actually suffer more from the constant change to their own speed when trying to aim and strafe to assist it. Other dps characters greatly changing their speed at different times also affects aiming at them, so basically this change from a constant dps speed buff for everyone to this triggered version just really sucks for snipers.

[@bena8805]

They hate Widow

[@wowitsportal5225]

Good, if they won’t remove a character better make the one they hate useless, she’s already anti overwatch

[@elmofromussr5562]

Good

[@djlerma7654]

Who doesnt

[@slendy2579]

Good

[@bena8805]

@@wowitsportal5225 She's a 175 HP sniper with arguably the biggest skill ceiling in the game?

[@TheFlyingSailorYT]

"Junkrat will not see much playtime" [The Aussie Air Force would like to know your location.]

[@aquariagis]

0:12 good on you lsd_xiii, fully support that man live your best life

[@MM-me9vb]

I feel they should have split it again. Say Offensive get this passive. Defensive gets something like dealing damage increases cd rates or enemies that are damaged temporarily mark the location they took damage has a cd.(wont mark what hero took damage) this would be great for widow hanzo cassidy ashe sojourn. Echo should another passive because if you gave her either shes going to be extremely oppressive copying tanks mainly and some supports.

[@ss-r2514]

Overwatch 2 saved ur channel I’m so happy

[@ArthurEverling]

Friendly reminder that Ana can kill a 200 hp hero from any range with 3 shots while Cassidy takes more than one full cylinder at 50 meters, no headshots. Soldier takes nearly an entire magazine to kill from the same range no headshots. From my recent play, It's much easier to kill dps heroes than Supports. Supports have so many self healing and escape abilities compared to most dps heroes. A reaper can barely a kill an ana or even a zen at effective range. Dps are extremely neutered in this game while supports have been given so much survivability that it makes it extremely difficult to kill them.

[@maikerutenoso5639]

look at that tracer dance moves, since when did karQ joined jabbawockeez

[@rizwansattar4285]

I'm praying that the speed boost doesn't affect attack speed and ults. Imagine a Pharah just fires a concussive, gets an environmental and then high-speed barrages the rest of the team (mind you, attacking faster would end up meaning she kills faster too). Team kills would be a lot easier to achieve.

[@Freekymoho]

Its only reloads

[@rizwansattar4285]

@@Freekymoho Oh wait, was it movement speed or reload speed? I thought it was movement speed.

[@Freekymoho]

@@rizwansattar4285 its movement AND reload speed, neither will affect fire rate

[@rizwansattar4285]

@@Freekymoho Ah, gotcha. Thank goodness.

[@8UMadBro8]

I feel like Cass should be up a tier... that reload buff is gonna be great on him

[@aaronolson6736]

I think the reload should be fine, but the speed is a bit much. Maybe they can split it so some get the movespeed and some get the reload speed

[@Zaram45670]

How would you decide who gets what?

[@KuutinKujeet]

I can already see the meta becoming overbearingly annoying if these changes go through. Tracer Sombra already felt very annoying in the second beta, and now there's Kiriko as well, who is going to be in every single game for weeks, and she is seemingly designed to work well alongside fast flankers. Returning OW1 support players are in for a rough time.

[@endless_del]

they're going through, this is the patch for season 1 and they're only doing balance changes between seasons (unless something is omega broken i imagine). also as a support main i'm sure we'll be fine, we finally got a new toy to play with! lol

[@exar44]

The passive that dps need is a range limit. This mean they have to be closer to shoot people, this making it a risk they need to take to kill someone.

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

That’d still bring the same issue of some heroes being unaffected, others being broken, and others being shit. How about just make it so that when you get a kill your next reload is faster (doesn’t stack)

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

Nvm I forgot hanzo existed. Unless they just made him wind up an arrow at the same proportions

[@exar44]

@@ExpertCobra-tn1vt The idea i had was for example hanzo has a max range of 25 meters. Also he now requires 2 headshots to kill and 4 body shots

[@royceblack6752]

16:49 Set my heart afire catJAM

[@xDjembex]

Bringing Reaper back into the spotlight makes me happy. But, he's usually not allowed to stay there very long.

[@MrZebanHai]

Man, I don't know what you're on karQ. Junkrat should hands down be above pharah on a list of reload speed buff. You've gotta think how quickly people can empty their clip. I'm surprised you even thought of putting Tracer in A tier. She's the one who dumps ammo faster than any other hero! The thing I'm kinda wondering about is if movement based abilities like blink will travel a farther distance with this buff.

[@bighat8794]

I didn't know I needed that outro until I saw it 😂

[@dirtyjesus9293]

If Echo dupes a tank/support does the dupe keep the dps passive or will she switch to the corresponding passive for the duration of duplicate.

[@IceBloo]

Couldn’t you test the Ashe/Bob speed buff by giving her a speed buff and seeing if Bob also speeds up? Could have her stand next to Lucio and see if switching songs changes his speed when he’s out of range of Lucio.

[@Misteradams1]

What if Bob gets the kill, does Ash get the boost?

[@secretlyaslug2325]

Bob kills count as Ashe kills so likely yes.

[@thegaminglord2190]

If the beam on sojourn recharge faster after a kill in her ult she is s, if not she is low s high a hero, she way already slippery in beta i can't imagine her strafing and beaming the shit out of her enemies, a faster recharge will be a killer

[@CocoMura]

Direct hit kill w/ pharah immediately reloading is going to feel satisfying as fk.

[@trevormars5370]

This edit came out so fast! Nice

[@johnsonspark171]

LOL. OMG. Since there is no ranked play to start the game, my five stack is going to run Sig, Genji, Sombra, Brig, and Foxgirl and just INT into every Mercy we see until they quit.

[@mango863]

10% already felt so fast in the beta...

[@wolfwoof2000]

Mei and Symmetra will be scary with it. Reloading after getting a kill and go to another

[@paper2946]

I've been messing around with my least played heroes during these last weeks of ow2 and discovered I actually really enjoy playing reaper. I was hoping he'd be good in ow2 at launch, but idk about what he'll could become with this passive.

[@porkee3609]

i mean if reloading is faster does that just mean hanzo gets faster firerate? i feel like that might be nice

[@HaloGoku]

Does anyone know what the other 5 legendary skins are included in the watch point pack it says 7 but we only know 2

[@Tze52]

Is that Genji at the top??? I no longer feel ify about learning Genji :D

[@endless_del]

is tracer's blink always a set distance, or does she travel farther with a speed boost?

[@lyzder7298]

Set distance iirc

[@reinhardtmercer7705]

As someone who plays hanzo widow and cassidy. Yay…

[@Lexifocs]

i think. This buff for hanzo is a little nerf for him. give a speed after kill will make aim harder after first kill becouse of "prediction"

[@icarusui]

Me: hey he forgot doomfist! 😮 Me: hey.. he didnt rate doomfist on the dps list 😪

[@technosauruswrex]

Reaper and Genji are already my least favorite DPS to play against, really didn't think they needed something like this. Tracer and Sombra are also some of the most annoying to face.

[@RealSlxzz]

I think for Hanzo it will make loading bow with arrow faster and Tankfist sill canceled soz.

[@kayanono]

That movement speed plus her coach gun could get u to more spots possibly.

[@hammersam75]

The dps i played in ow1: Doom, Hanzo, Junk, Torb and Sym, the only one who's skill ability to play transfers over to ow 2 is Hanzo, so dps aint looking too good for me

[@BloodRain222]

feels good staying a genji main throughout all these years

[@TheLoneBuffalo]

Everyone is saying it’s a big change but wasn’t their first passive in beta 1 just a movement speed buff in general? I thought it felt good in beta 1, and then they removed that buff from dps and they super buffed all supports in beta 2. I think it will help dps. Most of the supports seem like dps heroes with healing/support abilities. I honestly think some of the “supports” like bap zen and now Kiriko will have more raw damage and even burst then a lot of dps heroes. I think dps needs a bigger differentiator. Seems like this buff puts their passive back in line with beta 1 with some restrictions. Seems great overall. I play all roles, but I feel like support and tanks are the winners. Seems like blizzard’s strat is since most played heroes are dps, lets make all other roles feel like dps heroes. I think they accomplished this, whether that’s a good thing or not we will find out in October. Ps I know the reload speed is new hopefully that is just an added bonus.

[@ConnorCasey-wl5kh]

I know doom is a tank now but imagine how much easier dps doom would be with the 25% speed boost after getting a pick or two from a rollout damn…

[@torus9657]

Hang on, how is this gonna work with Kiriko's ult? if you're not getting kills in there you're doing something wrong and those kills will proc the new passive so DPS are just gonna be MONSTROUS inside the kitsune rush. Please tell me they thought this through...

[@AnubiraiPlus]

Maybe now Hanzo and Widow will get personal buffs to make up for this.

[@ASpicyGator]

14:15 TWERK

[@polar6066]

im dead srs when i say ppl overlook and underrate this passive too much for sym

[@Sebboebbo]

Da king is back baby he neva miss

[@hy3na739]

torb actually really benefits from this because his reload feels sooo slow...

[@hobonolen]

you brought up if bob will go faster if Ashe gets a kill but if bob gets a kill will Ashe get her boost still? Would be big considering she gets ult during BOB

[@spirit1288]

Anyone other genji main finally glad that they'll be able to chase down that goddamn sprinting soldier?

[@onedarnsandyboi1844]

The pain of getting killed cause I can't kill the soldier and not getting dash reset with blade

[@Monster-iw9cu]

bro widow with ms is gonna make widow vs widow even more offense sided.

[@johnsonspark171]

They should make it that you get quadruple the passive buffs if you kill a Mercy.

[@flyboombasher2858]

13:25 should be 10 seconds like boop

[@BlightedLight]

Supports better get a buff since this is a massive buff for all flankers.

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

they want the flankers to just delete the supports without them being able to do anything, ow2 is the dps show, people complain about brig all the time but without brig the support role is like so exausthing to play sometimes, just get deleted over and over by a tracer and a ball

[@jaysaber9054]

@@gabrielmilhomem5645 Sombra and Reaper performed really badly in the beta. Tracer and Genji definitely didn't need any help, but outside of those two you were always better picking any other character than the other flankers.

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

@@jaysaber9054 yes sombra and reaper were bad at beta but that doesnt change my statement that ow2 is the dps show and supports are just getting deleted without being able to counterplay correctly

[@yazan_q]

It feels weird doom fist not being in there I know he’s a tank but I’m still used to see doomfist a dps

[@mewybee]

blizzard favors the dps role sooooo much lmao

[@cerculain1722]

I was gonna say: “Doom will be busted!” Then I realized hes a tank now

[@secretlyaslug2325]

And they won't even let him keep the slow 😭

[@kaja-xb6kg]

Same man

[@ik4h]

wait is that 20% of total move speed? because then genji in blade is even fucking crazier. Like double lucio speed boost wtf. I love genji but i feel like this is maybe a BIT too mcuh LOL

[@justanotherowl8085]

All the sombra and genji mains: My time has come.

[@Austrocious]

I'm already worried about the state of the game if Genji is at the top. He's already annoying enough to deal with in the regular game. He'll be even more annoying without any hard counters.

[@y_en1]

Time to get see what genji nerfs lie ahead

[@kobedaniels3441]

It doesn't say final blow so all you would have to do is help kill then boom you get that passive

[@altleveling]

Do assists count as elimination even if you didn’t get the killing blow?

[@brightenblack207]

I'd rather have a passive movement buffs. Tanks are really strong and if you're caught out you basically dead. With a passive buff you can make the decision to fight them or run away and they won't be able to keep up.

[@marinemanaphy101]

I think OW2 is suffering from trying to find a single passive that will be good for every DPS. It’s one thing for tanks or supports who have much more straightforward jobs and so a passive is more easily universalized, but the DPS are so varied that any passive inherently has a massively disproportionate impact. I don’t think we needed this change and I don’t think the DPS need a passive at all, tbh. If they’re going to give the DPS passives, they should be splitting them into sub-classes and basing it off of that. Group them by long, medium, and close range, or some other category that can make this a little more focused. Otherwise you end up with these role passives that only enforce a meta rather than improving the functionality of the role.

[@Freekymoho]

Or something more generically useful like shorter respawn timers

[@Acooky.]

genjis still gonna be useless, making him move faster wont stop him from getting insta killed the second he goes in, 110 blade damage btw

[@nolmo8851]

They should make it, so passive applies when you get a final blow

[@crossc1988]

reaper didnt get a buff to his spread...its a nerf. You need to re-read it. Hes less accurate, not more, and does less damage per pellet. "Spread increased from 6 to 8, Damage per pellet reduced from 6 to 5.4"

[@tyeus3673]

I'm very concerned about the DPS passive. It has the potential to make individual picks snowball very quickly into a won teamfight.

[@mythmage8231]

If they could stop fucking doubling Genji's strength every 5 seconds, that would be dope

[@onedarnsandyboi1844]

He been one of the worst characters for 6 years he deserves it

[@justaguy1738]

My boy reaper is rising

[@Kittyword32]

Attack speed is probably gonna be a broken mechanic, the passive and kuriko ult are currently the only abilities that can increase it I think. I think there might be a new hero that might have an attack speed debuff, or maybe a mei buff thats makes her primary do that.

[@endless_del]

the passive doesnt buff attack speed, only movement and reload speed

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

its not like its a problem in ow right now, only kiriko ult will have it and i dont even think her ult will be that good, beat and trans(maybe rally) are still better

[@Kittyword32]

@@gabrielmilhomem5645 if youve seen the affects of attack speed and cdr in games all about shooting and abilities you might change your mind, like overwatch. While the other ults might be more team saving, you have to keep in mind that ow2 fights are way shorter, so the more zarya bubbles or nades you can get into a teamfight in a shorter time the more likely it is you will win since you have extreme sustain, also attack speed means that heroes with shred primary fire will be able to kill you twice as fast, giving you almost no time to react

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

@@Kittyword32 wait do you actually play overwatch? like said before the passive DOES NOT give attack speed, kiriko is an offhealer, do you know what trans, beat, rally, grav, nanoblade,emp etc are? do these sound like casual abilities to you? no bruh its overwatch the ults are fucking insane because thats how the game progress. Of course i could be wrong cause we have no fucking clue how good she will actually be, but im pretty sure her attack speed buff in a small area you have to stay in the ultimate will NOT be toxic.

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

@@Kittyword32 also ow2 has lower ultimate charge, you are really making it sound like a casual buff the team from a offhealer ultimate is the brokest thing ever lol

[@victortestacarlini]

Torb might be better than that. With the turret constantly "tagging" people, he'll receive the buff all the time! Especially knowing that there are less tanks, therefore less defensive stuff to block shots from the turret.

[@kaipurse5037]

You know it’s based on elims, not dmg, right?

[@gabrielmilhomem5645]

@@kaipurse5037 yea but assists are elimin so the turret can get assist by damaging i think cause i dont play torb.

[@theblasphemousgamer4888]

@@kaipurse5037 yes it’s elims so the dps only need to do a lil bit of damage to someone and if that person dies they will both get the boost.

[@watsyurdeal]

I really don't like this passive, and to be honest I never liked passives as an idea to begin with. I always felt certain things are just a given with certain heroes. Like Rein being harder to boop because no shit he's huge and wearing armor.

[@overwatchbulletpoints4782]

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