Kate Andrews debates the gender wage gap on Sky News

[@girlwriteswhat]

So frustrating to watch. Andrews is clearly more knowledgable, and Smurthwaite just comes off as a loon--and yet somehow they find themselves in a serious debate about an issue. Why is Smurthwaite's opinion on this issue being given airtime when she's so obviously full of hooey? On the other hand, nothing discredits a feminist more effectively than allowing that feminist to open her mouth.

[@Xgckl]

Andrews has actual credentials on the topic while Smurthwaite's only reason to be there is her popularity and feminist activism. It reminds me of a debate between creationists and their opponents where only one side has actual scientific backup. Or, more on topic, the TV discussion back in the day between Esther Vilar and Alice Schwarzer, where people later couldn't decide whether the person accusing her female German-Argentinian Jewish opponent whose parents fled from Nazi Germany of depicting women in her book like articles in the Stürmer would depict Jews was making equally or even more valid arguments. And I couldn't help but notice how Smurthwaite hardly let Andrews speak and had to repeatedly interrupted. I think people find it so hard to swallow the wage gap not being the product of direct sexism is because we assume women to be acted upon, not actors like they actually are in our economy. That's why we need to focus on the actual societal influences that actually lead women to act this way, which is still fitting within our view of women.

[@jamesfeisley2810]

And remove all doubt!

[@fdmarminy]

karen straughan There's a reason why she's a comedian... Her Feminist views are laughable!

[@がに-k6n]

Xgckl > Smurthwaite's only reason to be there is her popularity I live in the UK and have never heard of her outside of feminist debates. EDIT actually, now that I think about it, I also heard that she was going to do a performance at goldsmith's university about free speech. It had to be cancelled because some members of the university's feminist society protested against it.

[@kingBenTheBadger]

+DP Trumann I saw her live, in a tiny room above a pub... all she did was go on about debates she was in

[@mad_cat]

I find it fun that Andrews is able to cite a study to proof her point, but Smurthwaite is citing personal opinion.

[@Edbrad]

You're wrong, she's only clutching to her feelings. :)

[@DangerGnu]

Wage gap on average ---> must be sexism. Is this the kind of "own interpretation of data" you expect from someone with academic background let alone a degree in statistics? Your argument from authority kind of fails in that regard ...

[@aj_wuwei]

given her abilities, kate would be paid less always...

[@timhiggins6212]

@@aj_wuwei Looking at her now on Sky news - Kate Andrews she's the economics correspondent at The Spectator Didn't she do well for herself.

[@thepossessor]

That's because the only thing that matters now is your FEELINGS!

[@Gwanmei]

"Stick and stone may break my bone but there will always be something to offend a feminist": Peter Llyod🤣

[@GolfingInParadise783]

😂😂😂 genius that was

[@ohtych1004]

I know I’m late but... If the 81 cents to a dollar is that serious, wouldn’t private companies just hire women to save millions of dollars over the year?

[@BreezeeGreenz]

Many people have said that. As an employer, I know I would.

[@PietyFailed]

Thank you Ms Andrews. You rightly pointed out the figures she was using were extremely misleading. Her response to your own statistic on women in their 20 and 30's: "that's just not true". She came across as a stereotypical lunatic feminist, it was like something out of a film honestly.

[@thepossessor]

The feminazis screech and yell about misogyny yet they're perfectly fine with misandry

[@Cmon2828]

So women should basically be able to come and go from the workplace at their convience and make just about the same or more than their male counterparts?

[@tha1ne]

Seriously? They brought a comedian to defend the gender pay myth? This is a new low for the left

[@aj_wuwei]

No.that's part of the comedy :D

[@epicdjyoshi648]

Maybe she was trying to be funny by joking that it does exist?

[@nickhowell1308]

“comedian” they didn’t sound funny to me, more like an old stubborn lady

[@thepossessor]

@@nickhowell1308 She's a misandrist

[@stevenrichardson3000]

Kind of makes sense. Does anyone with two operating brain cells believe you can take a gender pay gap seriously? So why not...send in the clowns.

[@slimjimpui]

Based Kate Andrews- 1 Biased Kate Smurf- 0

[@LiViro1]

Kate Smurthwaite apparently identifies as a comedian.

[@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186]

Which is like a man identifying as a trans-woman: everybody knows it's a lie

[@LiViro1]

@@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186 Often, but not always. Some people actually have a "messed up gender system" from birth, and you should be happy if you're well defined from the get go. But yeah, a lot of those activists get on my nerves.

[@thepossessor]

@@LiViro1 you mean gender dysphoria?

[@gideonros2705]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@fredfredburger5150]

Well her opinions are a joke.

[@amhmd4725]

As Jordan Peterson said, and I'm quoting here, as societies become more egalitarian i.e Scandinavian countries, the gap becomes wider.

[@antwnhs213]

True. Some women will choose to work more than 8 hours,weekends and struggle to be more productive and competitive,but it's mostly men that do these things. Noone is telling women they can't work on Sundays or 12 hour shifts,they mostly choose not to. How can they demand to be paid the same? It's all about choices and i don't see any problem with it.

[@InspiredGuesswork]

I would argue that Kate Smurthwaite is holding women back.

[@thepossessor]

She's full of it

[@samsmith8870]

Yea, that's so hard about making a sandwich?

[@patharvard]

I know which of these two women I would hire and promote and which one I would turn away or fire. Both of them have strong personalities. Both of them can speak up. Only one of them is rational and fair-minded.

[@BreezeeGreenz]

Yup.

[@GolfingInParadise783]

Kate would cause problems, accuse men of SA… all whilst doing less work than the ships cat.. avoid like the plague

[@mifeke6149]

Taller men earn more than short men. WE must close the gap!!!!

[@1652HCU]

Note: "Women EARN less", not paid less. As Andrews states "women aged between 20 & 40, tend to earn on average 1.1% more than their male counterparts". So what is their to actually say about the gender wage gap?

[@BreezeeGreenz]

Right. It's an earnings gap, not a pay gap.

[@bobbyuk5866]

Smurthwait has a habit of telling people to let her finish, then interrupting them continuously. It's a sure sign of someone losing an argument.

[@JosephStealin]

Sorry to interrupt you but you are making good points and we need to stop that.

[@flightcomputer2437]

The host presents a debate - "Are women paid less"? And begins by saying, "We KNOW women ARE paid less, the facts are incontrovertible. The question I want you to answer is- is it fair to pay them less?" She then goes on to agree and side with Smurthwaite continually throughout, even arguing at one point with Andrews, even though she is supposed to impartial. The difference between Smurthwaite and Andrews is that Andrews presents a reasoned argument on the basis of evidence, context, and analysis, whereas Smurthwaite presents anecdotes, personal opinion, and a general feeling, which the biased host backs up. It is OBVIOUS that Andrews is the more intelligent, more reasonable person in the debate, and this is the kind of woman we need representing women.

[@andrewarnoldin]

Yes…This!!!

[@arzoo_singh]

Just observe one thing Calm composed and sensible vs Anger, frustration , shouting .

[@tiberiusmononoke6824]

Jennifer Lawrence was in that movie for 20 minutes and the other male co-stars were in it for 40 minutes. Amy Adams was paid less because shes not a bankable actor. Per unit of work Lawrence was actually better compensated than the male actors with 1 exception - Jeremy Renner, he was in the movie for 22 minutes, but received 9% like the other actors, therefore not only was he better compensated than Lawrence but also Cooper or Bale. Even ignoring this fact we can identify that it was not to do with sexism for this reason - the leaked emails themselves stated that those in the industry saw it as "a joke that Renner is paid more than Lawrence" and measured were taken to better compensate Lawrence. So how can this be cited as a case of sexism? Well easy, we just ignore all the facts I said, along with the fact that we don't even know what these actors were paid below the line. And what is this presenter talking about? American Hustle wasnt the 2nd biggest grossing film lol far from it.

[@craigsimmons5949]

Comedian?

[@jonhartley7445]

@Pablo Neruda whatever that link is, I doubt it's going to work in smurfs favour.

[@christian_k_e]

It's funny that the feminist said like "the pay gap is not about this one woman and comparing her to the next guy" yet she was the one who brought the thing about jeniffer lawrence, and when Kate told her that was stupid her comparison she said she wasnt comparing individually pls

[@stepennwolf]

Feminism

[@enigmafan7131]

3rd wave

[@petermoncrieff8453]

yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading

[@Givemeamazda]

I noticed that exact thing. That makes no sense.

[@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva]

The newscaster brought up a specific example, then the woman on the left screen said specific examples don't count when the argument started to go south on them. This is the problem with postmodern thinking: Persuade by any means necessary and bounce between macro/micro, empirical/rational/emotional to suit your ends.

[@mitchjames9350]

Dont forget move thr goal posts and talk over and interrupt continually while changing the question before the person can answer them.

[@Del-Canada]

Men do harder more dangerous jobs. They never want to break down how they arrive at their conclusions.

[@troymcroberts5604]

Sexism? What does this mean exactly? Why are men the only ones that can be accused of sexism? Why can't women be accused of this apparent crime? I personally think that women that think that they're the same as men are sexist against other women.

[@jayholla7185]

+Troy McRoberts How about the "cage gap"? Women receive 60% of the jail sentence men do for the same crime.

[@magottyk]

Of all the reasons why women earn less, the one concept I never hear from feminists is personal incentive. Do women on average have the same incentive to earn as men. In relationships women comparatively rarely marry below their pay grade, while men often do. Men have a greater incentive to earn, because women still see them as primary breadwinners. In the relationship CV, what a man does is high on the list. The converse is not true. Women have the luxury of choice, it is quite acceptable for them to engage in career stalling activities, it's not just children that allow them to do this, it can be a personal choice for a more socially active life. Whoa be the man who decides to make the same choice in many households, they have a duty that they must fulfil. So when the feminists say that there is sexism to be overcome, they need to be looking beyond child care for some of their answers. Men aren't afforded the same personal choice considerations, how many women will decide to work harder because the man wants a more fulfilling and balanced life for himself.

[@jeffmilligan]

Spot on.

[@jamesfeisley2810]

Hypergamy! Women refuse to marry below their status. Leaving them few males to chose from or "where have all the good men gone?" Women now prosper from having the right to chose parenthood. A right that most men don't have. Men are left with the choice of the women; what suites *her* needs. That's fine but not when women have it both ways. If she choses parenthood she needs to except the burden *without the males involvement*! Not having her cake a eat it too. With rights must come responsibles. Male reproductive rights should not be sex or no sex. When women have 14 choices of birth control! We all know women's dirty little secret of "the accidental" pregnancy to *trap* a man into what maybe Is best for only the women. Without any thought to the well-being of the child or the father. ONLY a woman possibly giving her mother that grandchild before the clock runs out. Woman were given freedom to chose their future with the advent of the "pill"; maybe 50 years later it's time for men??

[@notevensurehowwegothere2620]

magottyk Absolutely true, every man knows that he will work all of his life. Women have a choice. Men don't look to a partner to achieve their dreams, many women take a short cut and look at a man and his resources as getting her to her dreams quicker. They don't have the same incentive. For most women, it's a numbers game pure and simple. Men generally don't care how much the women makes or if she even has a job, yet women demand a man have a certain amount of assets before she will even talk to him.

[@notevensurehowwegothere2620]

James Feisley Absolutely correct. Women use men to raise their social status or increase their resources so that they can do more without having to work for it. Add to that they have a built in parachute because if the relationship fails, they just go get another man. Many women talk about love, but when it comes to marriage, it's all about money and what the man has to add to her.

[@jayjaymck8256]

Best feedback on the issue this one 💯

[@albertogutierrez8653]

If you are like Kate Smurthwaite, don't expect to be taken seriously.

[@Anthony_Stockton09]

😹

[@jimjames4348]

Those poor unequal rich people with high salaries. If they were working for minimum wage like the rest of us they wouldn't have such problems or the time to think about them.

[@bmker5469]

I worked my whole career as a chef and without starting WW3 I can honestly say most woman I've employed over the years have exceeded expectations in both workload and consistency. The pay gap just didnt exist and if anything the woman earned more.

[@andreleverettejr3747]

is this really a debate still

[@Pseudify]

Unfortunately yes because the feminists think ideology rules evidence.

[@aidansevern3134]

Funnily enough, they seem to have shut up about it

[@k3630]

And it still rages on. The level of stupidity is quite astounding. The lust for unearned power and wealth in these feminists is so ugly

[@k3630]

@@aidansevern3134 I dont thjnk they have. Check out all the female sports players complaining they ain't making the same

[@Easy_tiger69]

If bosses paid women less why wouldnt companies just employ all women workforces?

[@mikelitorous5570]

How is she a comedian?

[@davidwilson2680]

Mighty Marouane Fellaini she’s not

[@hotricky1976]

She looks funny and she says jokes like reality.

[@ohneso3891]

her responses to interviews are the joke

[@thomashardcastle7231]

Quotas.

[@michaelohwtf]

Every time she speaks is a joke.

[@anarchic_ramblings]

Kate Andrews is being extremely charitable here, trying her hardest to find common ground with her counterpart. She 'admits' that it's a social problem if women stay home despite greater earning potential than their husbands. If a couple choose to bear the financial cost of the higher-earning wife staying home because they see it as better on balance, that is their prerogative.

[@eonshell5615]

My wife earns more than me and works less hours which is great as l always have my tea ready and the house is tidy when l get in from the pub 😁

[@TC_83]

Ledge

[@stkeeley]

You sir, are a very bad man!😁

[@Romance_T]

You can see the "wtf is this shit?" on kate andrews face

[@GBU61]

There is one factor that is never mentioned when the pay gap is brought up. If a man wants to get married and have children, women will expect him to make at least 50% more than she does to even consider him. She does not have that same expectation from him. He is willing to work overtime or even two jobs to meet the financial needs of the family. If women were held to the same standard we would not be hearing about a pay gap. When she is willing to roof houses on 40 degree (Celsius) or 0 degree days or pave roads in the same numbers that men do, then she may have an argument. But when she uses some actress as an example, she loses all credibility with me.

[@Chhipz]

Unfortunately for Kate, even before the debate begins it’s clear the news person has chosen her side. You just can’t reason with irrational people

[@iainrae6159]

No one talks aboit the gender spend gap. ' Must have a new dress ,handbag, hair style, cosmetic surgery etc ......where's hubbys gold card?'

[@calvinmasters6159]

Define "woman". Aren't we supposed to gender fluid on a spectrum now?! Funny how gender comes into sharp focus when it comes to getting paid.

[@bedroombunny9529]

.......this is slowly restoring faith in women with every video I see of Kate. Nice to see not everyone of them is completely batshit insane.

[@DarthQueefious]

'You're citing studies and comparing very specific occupations (ie. doing economics) whilst I'm looking at the gap overall and shouting SEXISM!!' is basically what Smurthwaite said.

[@Hugh_de_Mortimer]

Smurthwaite is my favourite feminist comedienne, unintentionally hilarious. Has no jokes, but her reasoning is jokes.

[@idonthave1111]

I love how the talking forehead tries to pretend that she has a brain. 9:09 : Forehead girl acts like she found a weakness in her opponent's argument, when it was the host who set up the premise.

[@MrSamuraispirit]

Calm down, both two.

[@UmmCarl]

I worked at CNN when the 'pay inequity' story first came out. The people who did and published the study said right off the back that the pay disparity is not based on income earned, it was based on the level of education. Women are paid the same as men for doing the same job, it's just that women tend to be more educated in that they go to college in higher numbers and women get more degrees. As soon as they said that, CNN and other media outlets absolutely ignored the key premise of the study and said that women get paid less than men for doing the same job. In fact, in many of the jobs women take, like in the service industry, women tend to earn more than their male co-workers. Like so many of the Liberal Social Narratives, it's complete bullshit.

[@joewilliams5278]

The first part of this comment literally makes zero sense. You need to learn how to explain yourself better. Also, your grammar is terrible.

[@fsaari]

@@joewilliams5278 you poor thing....I had no problem understanding the point he was trying to make

[@Condadoking]

Do all men in the same company earn the same? Do all women tennis players earn the same as Serena Williams? If employers could get away with this, why employ men?

[@odiaranda2756]

that comedian is just an angry feminist, no rationalization, no deep thoughts, no reason, just nonsense to get money

[@connord9164]

Why aren't extras paid the same as the main actors in films? This is discrimination!!

[@DrStrangelove-w9w]

Woman: "I do exactly the same job as a man but he is paid more than me. It's so unfair!" Man: "How many hours do you work?" Woman: "24 hours a week." Man: "How many hours does the man work?" Woman: "48 hours a week." Man: "And you still can't figure out why this man is earning more than you?" Woman: "I think it's the patriarchy."

[@GayProphetMuhammad]

Feminists are idiots.

[@jonhartley7445]

Amazing that they can just convince people this is an arguement, It makes no sense whatsoever.

[@JayJay-ui3rq]

I believe we should actually go down this rabbit whole several companies have done an overview of what they pay their associates like google,us woman's soccer team and found out they were getting paid more than their male counterparts so all it'll have end up doing is lead the way for men to start sueing these companies for discrimination

[@patricktoland2694]

We have three people. The news presenter is obviously not impartial and has her own agenda which is deplorable for someone in her position and should be reprimanded for her behaviour. Kate Andrews is intelligent, informed and does this for a living. Smurthwaite does comedy for a living and has been blinded by her own ideology and should not be allowed to appear on this programme. Someone who talks sense would be better so we could have a reasonable and constructive debate. How anyone can still say we have a gender pay gap is laughable. They are either lying or stupid or both. It is incomprehensible that people still talk about the gender pay gap and still argue that it exists. It is hard to believe that idiots like that are allowed on television.

[@KimPhilby203]

The more she talks the less you listen

[@thepossessor]

Kate gives her all the facts and she still just wants to blame men......I mean you just can't win with these misandrists 🤦

[@davidballard1650]

I dont get how they expect to be paid the same for for doing half the work or why they deserve to get a promotion over the man who didn't take all the time away from from the job.

[@robertcook117]

That’s exactly what they want!

[@ThePastaManCan]

Shes a comedian but I could only find a video from 2012... woman needs one of those jobs that are apparently hard to get yet women are paid less so surely companies would want to employ women over men.

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

Apparently she works at some hotel when she’s not being the ass of several jokes.

[@ratro84]

They say that Kate Smurthwaite is a horrible comedian but i disagree. She made plenty of jokes here that made me laugh.

[@tonyhancock3284]

The average woman doesn't work shifts, doesn't lift, doesn't get wet, doesn't get dirty, doesn't like maths, doesn't solve problems and doesn't EARN that gap, that's the POINT, you're paid less because you DO less. Like Bill Burr stated "you better be standing right next to me listening to that guy play the Cello when the ship goes down!" Trouble is None of them are around when the Cello player begins to play let alone when the water comes in!

[@WarrenKirkpatrick]

Smuthwaite is embarrassing to watch.

[@robg71]

Smurthwate earns Money as a "Comedian" Now that's Unfair.

[@sunheart123]

Why do respectable news outlets keep inviting this insufferable Smurthwaite woman on?

[@italianstallion9170]

this pay gap does not exist apart from the nuances difference due to women having to have kids and take off etc, if women were paid less companies would just employ women wouldn't they. at end of the day it's all about productivity and profitability.

[@englishman9020]

So we've just watch kate slay a dragon with facts

[@samuelbcn]

Smurthwaite makes me glad I'm gay

[@davidwilson2680]

The newscaster mention that when she started out in her job a man was getting paid more than her simply because he asked. what she did not mention is, how many years did he work there before she was hired and a raise was well deserved to ask for the raise.

[@J.Panxer]

So, Google, how's that pay gap going for you? Paying your men less than women in compliance of the law?

[@johnnypenso9574]

This debate would be like Adam Smith having a debate with the Court Jester on the benefits of capitalism.

[@maruatathanks1078]

You have never been told I don't want a woman in this role, that's impossible!

[@paulfletcher9684]

it is between those with children and those without. a woman off for 12months maternity and comes back part time, cant compete with another woman who has had no time off and works full time, who can go away to meetings etc because she doesnt have a child to look after.

[@pillarsofdoom4891]

Why would a supporting role attract same as lead role?

[@annierose1269]

Sorry just a trivial thing but who's done her bloody make up?

[@13e11even11]

How long did the woman on the right get to speak before interrupted as opposed to the one on the left can speak uninterrupted.

[@TreVader1378]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, whoa, what do you mean, "comedian" Kate is as funny as a flick on the plums, and you call her a "comedian".

[@craigirvine870]

This is why Joe Rogans got a bigger following then mainstream media because he actually takes the time to have an actual discussion instead of click bait arguments

[@marcusporciuscatotheyounge5795]

The smurffy female comedian apparently thinks her opinion is a statement of fact. The studies based on stats completely reject the smirky comedian is a joke.

[@bluesmaster9896]

Why don't they just get on with it instead of pissing and moaning ,that's what holds them back. .

[@gglaffite6672]

7'40'': When facts and number meet with feelings and opinions...

[@sp0rkenste1n46]

6:08 This is totally pointless to even bring up because their are these called contracts that get signed and finalized before filming. Plus, if those actresses had smaller roles, it only makes sense (to anyone not a total !d!0t) that they would paid less.

[@padraigadhastair4783]

'Women are paid less than men, that's incontrovertible', now that's an unbiased way to start a debate about the pay gap! If women were paid less then employers would exclusively hire women to boost their bottom line, now wouldn't they?

[@JayJay-ui3rq]

She said it's not about life choices so a janitor should get paid the same as a ceo?

[@fdmarminy]

The life time pay statistic also doesn't take into account that women live longer than men so they would be more likely to have longer in their retirement years than men which would make the "lifetime" pay gap wider.

[@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186]

We should be promoting equal life expectancy between men and women, and equal numbers in prisons and sentencing between men and women. This is important: a bit of wage gap here or there is relatively unimportant

[@mrbobspongeful]

"Is it that women are less intelligent, less capable less hard working? I don't believe it is true .....so what it must be ...sexual discrimination." This doesn't necessarily follow. Even if one is happy to grant you the statistics, you still haven't proven that the main reason for the pay gap is sexual discrimination. It's certainly a possibility but couldn't there also be other reasons for this phenomenon? Such as - choice of occupation - job seniority - working hours - length of leaves taken - job experience - willingness to travel for work - employee benefits- personal ambition/desire I am not saying that any of these are necessarily true. I just want to point out that they are possibilities. If you want to prove that the pay gap must be mainly cause by sexual discrimination, then you have the burden of proof. Not being paid equally doesn't necessarily mean not being paid fairly (some reasons above). I think we should be aiming for the latter not necessarily the former.

[@RioCrypto55]

i come back from time to time to watch this. it is absolute mental punishment.

[@saragonzalez2695]

Jennifer Lawrence and Amy Adams need new agents to negotiate better payouts

[@OJOdin]

"It's not about one woman..." then why are you debating Jennifer Lawrence?

[@jesperkjaer8268]

What is Kate Smurthwaite doing in this video?

[@nebulousy]

It's such a stupid argument on it's face. The more they get into the specifics the more their position completely falls apart. This is the easiest myth to debunk.

[@naryainc]

The problem is that working class women get penalized at work for pregnancy and maternity leave. Society has to decide whether they want the population to have children or not and how they treat those who do.

[@DantieuS]

OK then I, a man who earns 22k a year, working for a security company, wants an equal paid job to a female lawyer who's worked her arse off to obtain her degrees in law and criminal psychology. Do I have the brain to do her job, definitely not but there's a pay gap so make sure our salary is the same. 😎

[@Sy-cx7yy]

Stop calling her comedian

[@timhiggins6212]

It's not hard to make out who the woman with the bain was in the debate.

[@JosephStealin]

Feminist activist and “comedian”

[@walterliisberg2094]

Wow, I think i want to marry Kate Andrews, what a brain

[@davidwilson2680]

Who cares what YOU want or what YOU believe.

[@tqdesign9288]

How does that Smurthwaite survive when she never takes a breath.

[@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186]

Her brain is so small that she doesn't need much oxygen for it

[@floatingcloud94]

Andrew is an absolutely amazing analyst 🔥🔥👍

[@robincooper6775]

When Universal Basic Income comes into the picture , we are gonna be hit by a second wave of such stupidity.

[@nicholasmurnan6263]

Don't claim you want equality when all you're after is preferential treatment

[@Lucifer.6.6.6.]

What about the porn industry men get paid less, And they do most of the work.

[@vijaynair2403]

Kate A. > Kate S. :: Facts > Feelings. 😊

[@davidbrown5628]

Andrews is on point!