Katie Confronts Greg Over Acting & Gaslighting | The Bachelorette

Katie & Greg finally come face to face for the first time since their dramatic breakup. Did Greg really plan to get engaged, or was it all just an act?
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[@machodgdon]

Looking back on this now that her and Blake broke up literally 3 months later, she was definitely never over Greg

[@Jacob-ip4yt]

Why would she would she still be into someone with such clear toxic traits

[@drippystaff5657]

@@Jacob-ip4yt She's more toxic than Gregg herself though. Gregg is a Saint compared to Katie.

[@Jacob-ip4yt]

@@drippystaff5657 Nah she literally did nothing wrong

[@drippystaff5657]

@@Jacob-ip4yt yes she did. Acussing him of gaslighting, when that's the literally what she did to Blake emotionally cheating on with that John guy. Katie is a mess.

[@Jacob-ip4yt]

@@drippystaff5657 Yeah cause u totally know the exact details of her breakup with Blake and how she ended up dating John lol

[@ione97]

if my fiance was this fired up about an ex.....

[@dionebest9960]

I’d be seriously questioning everything!

[@ione97]

@@dionebest9960 especially coupled with the fact that she almost quit the show over that same guy!!

[@effiekoliopoulos979]

lmao right?!

[@13LiveLoveMakeupxx]

her "fiancé" was also okay with her dating other men..all at once...on National television before this...so I think he'll be just fine.

[@jennifergersch9126]

Yes!!! How unbecoming!

[@yenhoang712]

No, that’s not it works! Katie, you’re too caught up with the order of the show and forgot that contestants are there not just to be chosen but they also have an option to choose their partners too!

[@tonydanielii1026]

For the people in the back please👏👏

[@katel2462]

Yes!

[@Marvelerence]

But Greg should have known what he was signing up for! You cannot expect the Bachelorette to end the season for one person. He just had to wait a little longer, and that's exactly what Katie said. Also, if he truly loved her, he would not have left based on a single moment. She was on her knees begging for him to stay, and he still left.

[@yenhoang712]

@marvel Yeah, and he was pouring his heart and soul and all she said was “I love looking at you.” Katie was the one that’s been saying all season she’s 💯 with her feelings, then why not tell him how she felt at that moment. Seems to me she's the one that was auditioning for Hollywood tonight!

[@ulalaupepa8558]

@@Marvelerence Greg can leave whenever, Katie was not for him. She a rude controlling freak. Glad he didn't stay.

[@Katie-wn8fj]

There is a difference between being a strong independent woman and just being flat out mean…. Lol she has those two confused sometimes.

[@emmerlou123456789]

So does her Aunt Lindsey lmao

[@xiomaralugo6122]

@@emmerlou123456789 Aunt Lindsey is crazy 🤣!!

[@djosephine]

Look at her aunt.

[@thatgirl9532]

Yeah I didn’t like the way she presented herself. I mean if you are in love and engaged to someone else you wouldn’t hold this big of a grudge to her ex who had his own reasons to leave. Tbh I just don’t think she wanted Blake but just the fairytale engagement moment and that’s it.

[@kriskline23]

I don’t see how she was mean. Greg was incredibly toxic towards her, whether he was acting or not, and she was in shock at the time. Now she’s had some time to gather her thoughts and she’s justifiable angry.

[@KLM9245]

The girl will listen to absolutely anything someone tells her. The fact that she brought up the internet saying Greg is actually a cocky boy from Jersey? Girl - you said it - INTERNET.

[@djosephine]

She let the guys talk her into sending Thomas home. Thomas. The first guy she expressed going to hometowns with . She doesn’t know how to think for herself

[@nazekb3756]

He didn’t even “act shy” he was just a little quite in group dates as he should

[@fitzyglamyt]

@@djosephine right! I feel like Thomas was willing to try and all the guys were threatened by how hot he is. If she didn’t feel it for him she would’ve realized it organically.

[@djosephine]

@@fitzyglamyt yes. they were threatened by him. his presence, his attractiveness and just him. They twisted his words and made him out to be the bad guy because they’re insecure little boys.

[@Chipmunkband24]

I think in that moment, Greg wanted her to pull a Clare or Colton and end the season because they found their person. Greg probably thought “why is there other men still here if she truly love me”

[@StormyKid27]

Then he's such an egomaniac given how he behaved. He probably saved her years of toxicity

[@haileytavarez8117]

@@StormyKid27 But that's a valid question why if Katie supposedly has so much feelings for Greg why wouldn't she just have faith and choose em.

[@EllDuclos]

@@StormyKid27 up until that hometown I don’t think Greg behaved in a poor or egotistical way. When he saw Blake and Katie’s date I think it triggered his unhealed wounds and then come hometown when he spilled his heart and she had nothing to really say back, his unhealed abandonment and rejection wounds got triggered and hurt people hurt people unfortunately which is why it’s so important to heal.

[@jennifergersch9126]

@@haileytavarez8117 She seemed to say it over and over again in their final one-on-one. Was all that a lie?

[@c450]

I believe him, that in that moment he didn't know what to do and he didn't want to leave

[@EOO99]

A bit irritated that no one stepped in to deescalate the conversation. Man this show brings out the worst in people, I don't know why people are still invested in it. It ruins people's integrity, image and emotions. Not everyone knows how to express themselves.

[@dianemccloud5990]

@ Efeosa, I agree, I hope he recoups and puts this behind him....it is not what it was in the beginning....sadly....

[@pepper1188]

I think Chris Harrison would have handled it a lot better.

[@djosephine]

So true. This was uncomfortable to watch

[@chrisdoesmusic]

Chris Harrison definitely felt more balanced within these sort of dynamics.

[@thequeen3834]

I agree! If the roles were reverse and the guy was dragging the woman he would be immediately cut off

[@user-kg6ln5tk2o]

Imagine the roles reversed. If a woman poured her heart out to a man the way Greg did to Katie; and the man responded with “I just love looking at you” everyone would be on the woman’s side for getting upset the way he did. I don’t think either of them is technically wrong in this but I do feel there’s a double standard here. Greg doesn’t deserve the amount of criticism he’s getting, he had valid points.

[@jennifergersch9126]

Oh my goodness, I said the exact same thing earlier. Her reactions last week were way too lighthearted compared to the depth of emotion he was sharing with her. It was like night and day. He was totally right.

[@rammos9171]

Misandry is rampant in society

[@DC-sh7ud]

@S I agree. I think that this part of the conversation needs more focus. Why is it that when he poured out his heart to her she replied with saying she loves looking at him? I think that he was at least looking for a caring answer, like “I appreciate you telling me that” not necessarily “I love you too” We will never know the whole conversation. I just hope they both heal because this was hard to watch.

[@jmlw3]

Yes! If I poured my heart out to someone and they used “show terms” and glazed over the scenario due to their “rules” I’d be OUT. Way to go Greg. You ARE worth way more!!!

[@GodSoLoved.Yeshua]

Exactly!

[@ellybelly08]

greg is carrying himself great here which makes katie look baaaaad omg this is so tough to watch, borderline embarassing😭😭😭

[@djosephine]

I was kinda embarrassed for her 😣

[@pearlspacejam8639]

Major secondhand embarrassment

[@HannahB-jg5nz]

I personally think she had every right though to call him out. Maybe she could’ve been a little more in control but she was hurt and rightfully so. He talks bs about a relationship being a two way street but gives her an ultimatum or else he’ll leave with no chance to talk and compromise!? And the fact that he’s able to just be so composed after everything that went down just makes him seem more like he’s completely acting. If he really felt anything he’d be WAY more hurt by these wrong accusations. But that’s just it. They aren’t wrong. He didn’t truly love her. Maybe he really thought he did. But he didn’t and it was clear in the way he left.

[@cinderellaasmr]

Yeah me and my sister were like ahhh make it stop 😂I got second hand embarrassment

[@thequeen3834]

Well he is a actor lol

[@ashleygonzalez8754]

Wait so she told Blake she’s falling in love with him while Justin is still there but told Greg she wanted to wait til the very end and couldn’t say it right then and there... 2+2=7?

[@BritsdoDisney]

It’s because that was the end for her, she was telling Blake she loves him and ending it with Justin just after that.

[@adelaidamullarkey7633]

Greg is right. He is vindicated.. she accused him of gaslighting her but she did it worse. It has been 4 months and she is supposed to be very happy. To be still that angry?

[@keishlamontes2190]

@@adelaidamullarkey7633 she has a right to be mad cause she didn’t get a right to express her feelings at that very moment and she didn’t talk to him until AFR

[@gj1695]

Exactly. A therapist on Dave Neal's channel points out that Katie was inconsistent. She told Greg, early on, that she was "falling in love" with him. But then she decided to withhold any expression of love after meeting Greg's family. Then, she said, "I love you" to Blake -- instead of showing Justin the respect of waiting until she had broken up with him, first, as she promised to do. Instead of taking accountability for her own inconsistencies and mixed signals, Katie lashed out at Greg at ATFR -- in a very hostile manner.

[@justdancejosie]

@@adelaidamullarkey7633 couldn’t agree more!!!

[@rachelmasters1553]

I don't know what Katie was expecting Greg to say here. He apologized as best he could for the part he played but she played a part too. I mean, she tore him to shreds here and no one stepped in to try to calm the conversation down. Did she expect him to get on his knees? He was trying to maintain a level of dignity and composure while her anger was out of control. He's still a person, and didn't deserve this.

[@beachbunny7256]

I believe Chris Harrison would have stepped in at one point to control her venom!!! Man, did she look bad!!

[@jennifergersch9126]

Oh my goodness, 100%. Where are they guy opinions??? She ripped him to shreds, much like Thomas. If you want to let him go, fine. Just don't embarrass him on national television.

[@firsteditionb]

I mean girl was on her knees begging for him to stay and if you watch bachelor fan take, Greg did some yelling that they edited in the previews and edited out of the show. This was harsh but I don’t think it was nearly as harsh as anything he said to her.

[@donnabbb3298]

@@beachbunny7256 Agreed! Chris Harrison was much better at the Men Tell All and ATFR episodes. He guided the conversations and stepped in when they started to spiral out of control or emotions ran very high. Her anger was out of control and destructive for her, Greg, and her relationship with Blake. Disappointing that Tayshia and Kaitlyn just acted as spectators and not hosts. This ATFR just left a bad feeling on the whole season. The truth is nobody won.

[@daniellap8939]

he deserved it.

[@radvlogs6411]

Greg was definitely over this conversation. He was apologizing to get Katie to shut up LOL.

[@lordreyna6924]

I was exhausted for him.

[@thatgirl9532]

I mean she did go overboard…

[@RDCFemmes]

Think production put her up for it

[@therantingshop7423]

It's like Katie went on Twitter, saw what everyone was saying and just dumped all of it on Greg at that moment...lol. You can't force someone to apologize if they don't want to. I know you're mad but you've found your love, it shouldn't be upsetting you this much.

[@bluelagoon1875]

right, it's b/c she still has strong feelings for greg. she and blake aren't going to make it. she's just pretending.

[@mariahgraham8366]

exactly

[@BoyMonkeyKid]

This!!! This is what I’ve been thinking!

[@asspills]

That thing about the "acting lessons"??? Oh my God. Fed straight from Twitter. In NO universe does Greg come off as anything but the most vulnerable, open and over-genuine person. Besides, he can't be both an "amazing actor" and "no Meryl Streep" at the same time.

[@canadianhaitian]

I know right! That was so uncalled for, she definitely still has feeling for him and when she said when he left so did all the feeling went , yeah right… I also think when she cried with Blake dancing she was crying about seeing Gregg because again Gregg was very calm and just very genuine when she was being so mean to him😢

[@nicolehernandez1291]

Katie was so cruel here damn she let her emotions get the best of her

[@mr_coffee9917]

Seriously

[@mr_coffee9917]

She did the absolutely right thing of calling out Greg's acting. He was going to breakup with her for any reason. Like seriously you didn't understand that

[@chrissyharrison1400]

@@mr_coffee9917 Exactly Thank You! 🎯🎯💯💯

[@diamcole]

@@mr_coffee9917 Even if that’s true, she handled this poorly.

[@Dustydesignz]

you've never talked like this about an ex?

[@AlyBautista]

Wow she did a whole research on greg after getting engaged… says a lot. The part where she said she heard rumors online was where she lost me. If shes truly happy w blake she wouldnt have gone out of her way to snoop around.

[@kmac8055]

It was literally all over social media. I didn’t even watch this season and I knew Greg was an actor just from scrolling through tiktok.

[@therantingshop7423]

@@kmac8055 OK but did she ever talk about those rumors with him or just accuse him?

[@bratzsnoopy]

Well, when someone mind f*cks you, you tend to do research. He gaslit the hell out of her and left her confused.

[@AlyBautista]

@@bratzsnoopy maybe when you’re single and all you do, !But when you’re “happily engaged” to someone u should spend time w them not worry about a guy that “left” or any other guy period.

[@AlyBautista]

@@kmac8055 i feel like basing your facts from “online rumors” just to demonize a person doesn’t sit right w me especially since she didn’t even ask for the truth she just jumped into conclusions that those rumors were true. Even actors can fall in love too… and if he really was acting idk how he got his family to go along w it.

[@ColourRiche02]

Katie is trying to hold onto the character identity that she was given on the bachelor of calling people out, but I’m sorry the way she is speaking to Greg is so uncalled for. She had the worst response to Greg during the show.

[@ione97]

yeah she's going for her hannah b/a moment

[@Jess-hf9me]

Yep I got that too. She is trying to live up to that image that was painted of her for this show. He seems more real here tbh.

[@jeteaze]

I think she just has subpar communication skills and is being human.

[@meccikee205]

OMG....this comment. She was edited with such a woke light when she was a contestants while some of it was well deserved some was not. However, she was to come off as this woke savior with no nonsense attitude but that comes with a price. While you busy calling people out you forget to call yourself out on your own BS.

[@afullchalicevlogs7979]

She is CLEARLY still in love with him and he CLEARLY dodged a bullet! After her aunt and mother talked- that would have been enough for me to know I did the right thing by leaving. Seriosuly

[@J-B-P]

This completely backfired for her lol. She wanted to further paint him as the bad guy and all that happened was she attacked him for five minutes and made herself look angry and bitter while he came off looking great. Yikes girl 😂

[@nemo2327]

Exactly made herself look like a big ole hypocrite with the gaslight blunder, sheesh that was hard to watch lmao

[@Jack_Hunt]

exactly

[@LuminaireLRP]

The two situations are actually not the same. She stood up to an emotionally abusive man child. This is exactly what she should do.

[@J-B-P]

@@LuminaireLRP Omg howwww was he emotionally abusive 🙄 he simply realized that she was not in love with him/was not ready to get engaged to him (which she proved the very next day by telling Blake she loves him and then getting engaged to him within another day or two) and he was like I’m sorry but I deserve more, I can’t do this anymore. Our relationship is not what I thought it was and we’re in two different places. That is NOT gaslighting, and it’s NOT emotionally abusive. Sure his delivery was a little blunt, and he changed his tune very quickly, but he poured his heart out to her and she gave him nothing, she replied with “ … I love looking at you.” That is the worst response possibly ever lol. And yeah maybe production told her not to tell anyone that she loves them before the final rose (which I doubt, because again, she told Blake the next day) but even still, she could’ve said something … “thank you for sharing, it means a lot” “you’re so special to me,” “you mean the world to me…” anything. She loves to point the finger at him and say that he wasn’t ready but neither was she! They clearly weren’t meant to be. But he is NOT a gaslighter and is NOT abusive. Everyone needs to stop over-using those words where they’re not applicable. It’s ridiculous and harmful.

[@LuminaireLRP]

@@J-B-P Your opinion is fine. It doesn’t negate how much blame and self victimization he went out with. It’s one thing to have feelings, and another thing to do nothing but use those feelings to shame someone without allowing them to speak or to even appear open to the idea of problem solving. It's so clear that his only goal during that poor excuse of a "conversation" was to make her feel bad when you look back on it. And that was going to be true no matter how she responded. Blame blame blame. Shame shame shame. Watch it again. Or don’t. I don’t care. I can't expect everyone to be able to comprehend covertly abusive behaviors. That IS the nature of it. But it’s still the truth.

[@landajb261]

So Greg was right?! The "so called" rules that she couldn't break for him, she broke them for Blake. So if she really felt that way towards him, she would have been more responsive. He felt it and he was right.Why stay if you can tell that you won't be picked?

[@tonydanielii1026]

Ain't nobody trying be Blake 2.0 off of beccas season🤷‍♂️

[@illuminata8097]

Great point!!👍🏻Thank you. I was hoping someone would pick up on that too.

[@nenaluta8441]

She wanted control of letting Greg go and was shocked that Greg decided to leave...she's not attractive enough (plain Jane) for Greg and that anger is because she lost the best looking guy, yay...she settled for a wannabe actor

[@lindanguyen9102]

This!!!!

[@elena.366]

exactly !

[@kyguy3242]

For me, it was the fact that Katie had the audacity to claim Greg was lying and faking when he opened up to her about how she "filled a hole in his heart" after his dad died that sent this over the edge. Even if you believe that, no one in their right mind would openly say that about such a sensitive and personal issue for another person. Especially not to their face. She basically said he used his dad's death and the trauma he felt afterward for clout. That's an extremely serious accusation. I think Katie invented this strawman of Greg after the split to compartmentalize her heartbreak, cause she didn't know how to process how a guy being totally genuine about his feelings could leave her the way he did. That unresolved heartbreak festered into anger, which spilled over at the ceremony because she hadn't truly come to terms with the situation and simply wanted revenge. But like I said, she went too far with her accusations and it really made her look bad.

[@megbishop_]

i agree! she has not processed the break up and instead of taking time to do so she decided to subconsciously compartmentalize all her greg feelings until she had no idea what was true anymore. katie's accusations were extremely immature. it hurt watching her attack greg when he for the most part put his truth and his feelings completely on the table.

[@AvisWrentmore]

Sorry but I can't stand to watch her Mean Outburst here. She needs HELP

[@AvisWrentmore]

Exactly.

[@djosephine]

Agree! That’s a bold statement to say someone is lying about you giving them happiness after their dad died. Those are really powerful words. Not every one can do that

[@alisiademi]

Agree!

[@allisonscanlan4144]

I think he has anxious attachment, but she's being too aggressively a bully here

[@shannonrivers]

Completely agree . huge bully energy

[@emelysosa5153]

Greg: “I’m sorry the way things ended between us” Katie: “so you don’t want to own up to anything you did?” Lmao she really wasn’t listening at all. Everyone ganging up on Greg went to her head. Now she’s pulling a Greg on Greg

[@luv2467]

@@Julie-7605 I see it as embarrassing herself! If she’s truly happy she would be happy for him too

[@michelleshaw3618]

@@luv2467 yup..she was so mean and aggressive .. and defined gaslighting to the T

[@thequeen3834]

@@luv2467 I agree it sounds like she’s not truly over him yet

[@susieidk9434]

@@Julie-7605 omg it’s not a debate. she’s not even open to listening him. she’s just thinking of the next thing to say. i’m 50/50 on the issue but that was harsh

[@mkai15]

Omg THANK YOU! I was wondering if anyone else picked up on that. Just like before when he was pouring his heart out, she throws an “I love looking at your face” or whatever she said. And now here he’s apologizing and gets an “you’re not owning up to anything”. Geezzzzzz 🙃

[@kathleenfaher861]

I really relate to Greg. I feel like if I was on the show, I would end up looking emotionally unstable and neurotic. He was a person who never should have been on the show. I used to like Katie, but she just seems mean here. :(

[@megbishop_]

her logic during the interview with greg was completely irrational

[@nitab7320]

Hell yeah I would have not lasted either 😆 straight up would be like why u giving other people roses 🤔

[@nancijofierro5960]

I think she like him from the beginning loved him before anyone. That’s why she friended every man that showed up for her!! And Blake came in second because she didn’t want her heart and be real and call out her feelings for Greg “in the show”. I’m disappointed in Katie she was here for the show 😢. She gaslighted

[@andreascott8150]

Exactly! I would probably be the one crying and being “manipulative” for having feelings and wanting the person all to myself. And I could never do or handle those group dates…

[@sneed3529]

Yeah, it's very clear she has allowed people from the internet to put these ideas into her head. The combination of that with the toxic audience cheering on her every word is just a sad, sad display.

[@lears75]

All I saw last night was an emotionally stunted woman desperately attempting to appear not bothered about being dumped on national TV in front of millions. It was an epic fail. lol

[@neginnasiri3198]

Katie is they type of person that’s kind and fun ONLY until things are going her way. The moment someone dares to “disobey” her or something doesn’t go her way, she becomes the meanest person who just wants to destroy that person to dust. I’ve seen it with Thomas and here with Greg, this is such a negative trait to have imo. Like she doesn’t know difference between ego and strength.

[@salmanmohamed27]

In a way it feels like she’s that kid in class who wants to act big and tough. I never thought the way she sent Thomas home was cute at all.

[@rachelmasters1553]

💯

[@barbcyru7494]

exactly and everything she said to Greg is who Katie is.. We always lash out at the person when we have lack within ourselves.. including myself here...

[@sftheletters]

Speaking from a guy's perspective she has a ton of red flags. And I loved Tayshia and had high hopes for Katie as Bachelorette but honestly feel like Greg dodged a bullet. Seems like being in a relationship with her would be emotionally draining

[@rad2369]

And empathy and forgiveness

[@lillianwilson13]

Katie lost me the second she put that Instagram story about "gaslighting" up after last week's episode. Katie clearly does not know what gaslighting is (as you can see when she's asked about it). Also, she couldn't say "I love you" to Greg bc of the show but then turns around and says it to Blake while Justin is still there??

[@Cgloy1984]

Thank you! I really liked her until that gaslighting post. Everyone ganged up on Greg and let her play the victim after that conversation..it obviously went to her head. She doesn't want to admit that they were both wrong in how they were acting. And if she had truly 'loved' Blake then why would she even care if Greg left? Wouldn't she have just told him goodbye (just like Justin) after the overnight?? Looked like she was just trying to make the best of the situation after Greg and Michael both left.

[@alexajones2593]

Katie is a Narc perfect definition of a Narcissist with the Bonus of coming from a Trash Family Lucky for Greg and Sorry for Blake.

[@kybunnii]

Y E S

[@fseedat4128]

I have commented the exact same thing. She lost a lot of us after showing her ability to say and do what she needs to in order to stay on top. Hypocritical at best

[@nemo2327]

He didn’t even gaslight her? Very insecure and was manipulative at times but I wouldn’t say gaslight

[@Naisy77]

Greg response says everything he’s over it lol

[@tazoz100]

don't blame him one bit !

[@cwp4eva]

And hers says she’s not

[@bratzsnoopy]

He was never "in it" to begin with.

[@Meet23ful]

Sis. You got to stop supporting basic males and stop the misogyny

[@GodSoLoved.Yeshua]

@@Meet23ful The comment doesn't make sense, it has nothing to do with misogyny.

[@evaady4412]

Hope I don’t get hated on. But Katie girl you didn’t have to be so darn rude. Like she was so bitter about this. Greg apologized yet she still went down his throat. Super immature.

[@sarahabraham8743]

Totally agree! You aren’t alone in holding that opinion 👍🏼

[@mstea2234]

Read the comments. Majority feel like you.

[@estherjennings1655]

It was sickening quite frankly. Hard to watch her attacking him when he’s already feeling bad and apologizing. Her rant was deplorable.

[@sandydraves1619]

I agree...and when Blake walked out she had to hug and kiss him so intense like a kid. Who was she trying to impress ??? ...Greg good thing u left. U don't need someone like her ..good riddance Katie the baby.

[@raquelf.1962]

You are totally correct!

[@MamaG128]

Greg was like "I'm glad you're happy and found your person" it seems that pissed Katie off even more. 😂 Even once they brought Blake out she still seemed visibly upset. It was truly awkward to watch. She clearly didn't own what she said she was going to do by not saying I love you until there's only one man left in doing that she validated Greg's response which to me were VERY valid for the weight & gravity of that moment he was pouring out his soul. Katie either still has feelings for Greg or that her ego was bruised. May ALL parties involved receive healing. 🙏🏾

[@pattykochenower4222]

So true ! She spouted she loved Blake the next day with Justin still there ! 🙄

[@asspills]

@@pattykochenower4222 YES!! Fully agree, especially with you wishing healing to them all. That last bit is key, it all seems so... Poisoned.. I worry, genuinely worry, that her and Blake's relationship formed out of spite. That she jumped right over her own rule for Blake because she was so distraught over Greg and just needed to still have a happy ending. None of them deserve that.

[@barbcyru7494]

yes you expressed that perfectly MamaG exactly. Honestly if i were Blake i would think she doesnt love me and be afraid she will treat me like that soon or as soon as something doesnt match with Katies wishes and expectations, trust me she had expectations too.. most people do in the end.. even if we try not to.. we have them.

[@barbcyru7494]

why would Katie get upset with Greg saying you, i am glad your happy and found your person, wouldnt she be happy? hmm i question it all.

[@MamaG128]

@@pattykochenower4222 Yess Patty she didn't hesitate to say I love you! I believe at that point it was a desperate times calls for desperate measures moment. That same moment of desperation and fear of loss or of her journey being a complete waste was what Greg was hoping to receive, so either way she proved Greg's point and validated his thoughts and sentiments. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@marindabekker1720]

After watching the entire episode, I understood where Greg was coming from in that moment. She didn't respond at all. So from my personal point of view, I think he felt rejected and that she is stringing him

[@SilkyShish]

I agree. She just patted him on the back and says, "I love looking at you". I would have also been as upset as he was. Although, he could have done a better job in how he communicated it. And the way she treated him here is absolutely out of line and petty.

[@Merluza3]

I totally agree. She hardly showed any emotion when he was talking to her. If anything she was the one Gaslighting him. I can't stand to watch her talking like this.

[@rosemarynord525]

@@Merluza3 @Silky @Marinda. I agree with all of you. She was so into herself, she never could take one moment to understand other people's emotions. For her it's all me, me, me. It was disgraceful how she treated Greg.

[@gr8deziner4u]

I agree. A week ago, I thought he was the one who was off. I regret posting something negative about him. Greg, you deserve better! Why did she let him bare it all and become totally vulnerable and say virtually nothing? SMH

[@xprettypinkpolishx]

She was so sassy and cold to him at this. I felt all along since when he poured his heart she was off.

[@derickponce-sanchez772]

She's not over him. She seems more upset that he broke up with her and now she's with a runner up option

[@perlaserrano1791]

I have never liked Greg, but I am angry with him, too. :D She is over him, but at the same time she can feel anger because she was on her knees begging to this man who didn't even say goodbye to her. He was really rude. He gave her reasons to be angry with him. It doesn't mean she is not happy with Blake. These are two different stories.

[@EmtheGem.]

In my opinion. I think Katie felt completely disrespected by Greg talking to her the way that he did, and so it's anger and frustration fueling this conversation, not unresolved feelings.

[@alexajones2593]

She’s a Narc

[@gutstospare]

Bruised ego. She wanted control over how each man left & wasn’t expecting 2 self-eliminations and wanted her girlboss moment. She was already rude to Thomas who on the grand scheme of things, wasn’t that bad & passive aggressive to Michael who left to be with his son. I don’t think she’s in love with him, but she’s angry he walked out on her and it wasn’t her eliminating him. So now she’s talking down on him & wanting him to feel hurt the way she was. All around, toxic situation for both parties.

[@keishlamontes2190]

She didn’t get a moment to express herself until now

[@luv2467]

Why is she still so mad?? She got what she wanted 🤷‍♀️ no reason to drag him through the mud 🤷‍♀️

[@beachbunny7256]

Exactly!!! Smh

[@beachbunny7256]

Ego bruised!!

[@amandakelley9798]

Cause she loves him

[@rheakumar5191]

I think it’s also because the producers were giving him a bachelor edit and what Greg did to Katie was terrible. All of that combined is fueling Katie’s anger

[@bratzsnoopy]

She was villlified and humiliated by him. She has every right to be angry.

[@rawanb.832]

Bad hosting. Chris Harrison would have asked: "Greg, how tough was it for you to watch Katie on her date with Blake, and did that change your outlook on how she felt for you?" THAT would have changed the mood here. Katie lost her temper and I lost total respect for her in this moment.

[@ifka8123]

Wow she should be quit and lady like . U r soo 50s 🙄

[@rawanb.832]

@@ifka8123 50s? "Quit?" Katie has been composed and clear from the beginning, until this moment.

[@gmaw249]

Exactly, he should have been there! Not a fan of the two biased women, they didn’t try to get where Greg was coming from! They were quite rude to him as well!

[@SilkyShish]

You are so right. I miss Chris Harrison. The show needs to bring him back.

[@SilkyShish]

@@gmaw249 - Very good point. One thing Chris Harrison did really well was to stay neutral and act as a wiser mediator. But, Tayshia and Kaitlyn were totally team Katie and biased here.

[@kaina2001]

I think Katie is immature for her age. The way she handles situations like this and the one with Thomas, lacks class. Guess her aunt has rubbed off on her! She is making more noise than him, which, IMO is just making her look bad and taking the light off of him. Team Greg! He handled it like a man.

[@keishlamontes2190]

no he didnt he literally didnt let her speak trough out their whole conversation when he broke up with her, Plus the moment something went wrong he flipped a switch and it was so easy for him to leave

[@keishlamontes2190]

@Halimo A what he signed up for the show? He knew she would have to date multiple other guys lol. He chose to signed up

[@kriskline23]

The way he acted was truly frightening and he would have shown his true colors over some other issue in the future.

[@gj1695]

Katie was obnoxious to Greg at ATFR. He didn't deserve that. She found love with Blake -- which only confirms that Greg was correct in sensing his love was not reciprocated. Instead of communicating with him and facilitating closure for both of them, she attacked and blamed him. And many of her attacks were based on assumptions. She went from Bachelorette to villain in my book.

[@Annahbri]

Facts

[@ocuituco9]

Yup!!!!!

[@beckysarah3491]

yup

[@illuminata8097]

Agreed !! She sure broke her rules for Blake. The way she attacked Greg was very much like her mean and nasty aunt.

[@gj1695]

@@illuminata8097 And isn't it ironic that she called out the Mean Girls on Matt's season -- while being as much of a Mean Girl on her own ATFR.

[@pondwaterwriter1625]

The most bothered unbothered person alive. Stop using terms like gaslighting (abusive tactics abusers high in psychopathy and diagnosed on the dark triad use on there victims) Also the definition of gaslighting is wrong here. She described blame shifting. And what’s even more ironic is katie accusing Greg of this narrative of acting with no evidence other than speculation and she is forcing him to submit to a version of reality that’s suited for her narrative and her narrative only which is exactly what gaslighting is. And I couldn’t think of a better example then the one she so willingly gave us. All while playing the victim. Unreal.

[@Kghiorso133]

Couldn’t agree more 👏 well said

[@juliewright3919]

Very well said!!

[@maeloutanate5178]

My two cents. Standing up for your self is different from being rude. This girl is on the rude side.

[@starrynight3363]

Like a little brat, in a ponytail…

[@edames49]

Thank you! Especially on TV

[@jamesmakume2630]

I kinda feel bad for agreeing with you considering 99% of people don't. But you are right.

[@luv2467]

@@jamesmakume2630 oh it’s 50 50 at this point…she lost a lot of her fan base just from this!

[@ps3301]

Most people on this show just wanted to get famous

[@brendadesmond6573]

I believe Greg loved Katie. I think he started feeling insecure in their relationship after catching a glimpse of her date with Blake and then when he poured his heart out to her during their hometown date and her response was so cold, he felt hurt and began doubting that she loved him. I think he needed her to profess her love for him at that point and when she didn't and was willing to let him leave, he knew then that they weren't on the same page.

[@jhaz89]

Yeah she's acting like he should absolutely worship and want her. Like it's a given. I mean I'd never compete for a girl (especially when you know she's making it with a bunch of other dudes and stuff. If I was the type of person to go on the show though she sensed she's into another guy or guys then I'd think well screw this, and I'd say hey I'm outta here. Later.

[@Merluza3]

Totally agree with you. That's how I would simply sum it up too.

[@luv2467]

Especially when a freaking proposal looming!!! 😳😬 man people just don’t get it..calling him immature because he didn’t get a response from her…damn!!

[@nemo2327]

This show is sooooo dumb but entertaining

[@djosephine]

I think Greg is a normal person with feelings that when he sees the woman he is in love with with another man, he ends it. Anyone who’d be ok with it is weird honestly. This show has unrealistic expectations I’m starting to realize

[@juliecabrera4446]

She def did not handle this properly. This isn’t high school where we confront each other like drama class, really disappointed in her behavior here.

[@AvisWrentmore]

Agree. She will be no easy task. Feel sorry for Blake.

[@candyxox]

Why not?

[@thequeen3834]

I’m disappointed as well. She could have came on the pedestal and just wished him the best and it was a pleasure getting to know him. Not just drag him on national tv. When I think of the batchelorette I think of someone with grace

[@TinTin-mh1dp]

@@AvisWrentmore Blake - pity choice

[@CATSWITHKYLA]

I agree 100% ... I don't think that Greg was there for acting or anything like that the emotions and it tears that he had when talking to his family that was real and she acted like oh I only want to say I love you at the end and then the very next episode she says it to Blake before she even had her one-on-one with Justin 🙄 what a hypocrite. Very disappointing.

[@stormyrhodes7593]

As someone who has been gaslighted and been in an actual abusive relationship I find it incredibly frustrating that she accused him of gaslighting when he was just speaking his truth. It wasn’t ok the way she attacked Greg like that! I get her feelings were hurt but like she should have done better. There was no reason to come at him like that in public. She should have been able to share her feelings in a mature way

[@shannonrivers]

YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY!!!! 👏👏👏

[@SilkyShish]

You said this absolutely perfectly!

[@asspills]

Yesss. It felt really... Icky.. Just icky.. The whole thing.. So sad and so toxic.

[@alisiademi]

Same and agreed!

[@AllieHutchins]

Sometimes manipulative people throw those words out on purpose to try to get the heat off of them.

[@wendymichaelson2547]

Katie acted like a spoiled rotten brat in how she treated Greg on the finale show. All Greg was asking all along was for feedback in his communication with her. He told he he loved her and was so in love with her. She gave him no feedback at that moment. She needs to learn how to communicate better. He was not rude to her at all. He kept asking for more feedback before he left. She gave him nothing at those moments. She needs to own up to her own emotions. No one makes another person feel the way they do. Each of us is responsible for our own emotions. It was sickening to see how she treated Greg on the finale. All she did was blame him for everything. She needs to own up to her decisions of giving him no response at that moment they had these discussions. I feel sorry for whoever marries her.

[@drwakeup2407]

Sometimes blessings come early. Better Greg See the real Katie now Than later. She'll give him Gray hair.

[@dorfreiberg8141]

Wow I loved Katie I wanted her to be the Bachelorette and after watching this she has totally lost me. Her character assassination of Greg was totally uncalled for. She is clearly hurt but to call him an actor, that his shy guy persona is an act, and accusing him of gaslighting her when he was genuinely upset that she failed to give him the validation he felt he needed. Respect of emotions is a two way street, his feelings were and are just as valid as hers. I was really proud of how she dealt with the drama this season right up and until this moment which is a real shame.

[@katel2462]

Amen sister! Couldn’t have said it better. I also liked her in the beginning- not anymore

[@beachbunny7256]

Well said!!! I also lost total respect for her tonight!!! Apparently, We saw the real Katie tonight! It's a shame.

[@noellarash367]

Greg is “Hot”… Katie is “Not”

[@waksman05]

I think its the first bachelorette that gives credit to what she has heard or red on social media instead of believing to the person. Accusing him of acting like she did is one of the most disrespectful things that I saw on TV. Zero class and education. I wonder how there is still people that are surprised that very little people on BN are defending her. I think they kno how she really is and she showed last night

[@clgg1022]

Same.

[@fakeaccount704]

I didn’t like Katie in two moments of this show 1) how she sent Thomas off 2) how she completely character assassinated Greg. Extremely curt and not classy at all

[@beachbunny7256]

Yes! Zero class!!

[@jennifergersch9126]

Yes!!!!! 1,000,000% See my comments above. Totally uncalled for. Other Bachelors and Bachelorettes have been kinder.

[@Blueeyesinthesky]

#1 Thomas deserved it #2 Greg deserved it too in a sense

[@pepper1188]

Well her Aunt Lindsay and Mom are a little rough around the edges too... Side note I don't really like that dress or ponytail, looks too picnic for ATFR imho

[@michaelw234]

@spacefoxx I don’t think Thomas did as a dude who knows dudes the guys just a little weird. Doesn’t seem like a bad guy. Also he literally shot him self in the foot with the whole “I thought about being bachelor.” I mean he came out and said that for no reason. I was like Daaaaaamn dude!! Way to shoot yourself in the foot but in that moment it kind of showed he did have some decent intentions because why would you say that?? Saying that destroys your chance to be the bachelor literally so nah Thomas is a slightly awkward man who is quite smooth for being awkward. He chooses his words but he tried a lot less to be the bachelor than Katie did to be the bachelorette. Plus if Aaron hates Thomas he’s probably a pretty decent guy. Aaron, Tre, Brandon, and the guy from the box were dueches. As a guy trust me those are ducking weasels. Tre let me down. Shouldn’t have even had hope though

[@hannahhunter96]

me: There’s no way she’ll be worse than Clare Crawley ….. Katie: hold my beer

[@tmbrad1288]

Thank you 🙏🏾

[@BradyRanger]

Clare put that fboy Juan Pablo in his place, she knew early into her season that there was no point continuing and stringing the other boys along and left with the man she wanted (who she’s still with) and has since been a positive advocate for multiple causes on SM. Try harder.

[@hannahhunter96]

@@BradyRanger relax Chip it’s okay I promise

[@tonytee7324]

Claire gave Juan some cooter in the ocean! Yeah, she really showed him!

[@IrishBog]

That was so hilarious. Remember how her season was going to be sooo great because finally a mature woman would be the lead. Someone who wouldn’t be all gooey eyed and all over the place. Who knew who she was and her worth. And then she acts like the most smitten teen

[@773SleepyHollow]

I suspect that some of Katie's anger at that moment stemmed from her simply seeing Greg again in person, and having her feelings for him flood back, while she wished that they were still together, but instead found herself engaged to Beardo the unemployed Bachelorette Threepeater, who she's strangely attracted to, but who she knows deep down will not be her lifetime partner...

[@AvisWrentmore]

U crack me up. Good one.

[@lordreyna6924]

Honestly after seeing the way Katie’s family talked to Blake I hope he finds a way out and find himself someone better.

[@veronicamiller3868]

I think she’s really angry with her self but she can’t yell at her self so that’s why she’s yelling at Greg I think if he would’ve stayed I know she would’ve picked him but of course since he didn’t say she’s gonna last out and say something different I feel sorry for Blake Because reality he has second choice if he knows it or not she can tell him what he wants to hear but the truth is she’s not over Greg otherwise she won’t lash out like him like she did but she did play games with Greg’s Heart so she said blame her self he just told her how much she loved her and she stabbed him right in the back I don’t know how she could live with herself for what she did and I don’t know how how blake could be with a woman like that he deserves better to I just hope that Greg is the next bachelor he deserves it people out there please wait to see how you feel if you love Greg or like Greg so he could be the next best answer the more people the more he might become the next bachelor so people please stand up for him he is a great guy. I feel sorry for Greg’s mother because she was afraid that her son heart was get broken and she did it right and national TV how terrible I’m sure she does not like her anymore just like me and 1000 other people out there please make him the next Pastor Greg he deserves it more than anybody else right now so people do the right thing and stand up for a Greg please again he put his heart on his sleeve and got broken nobody deserves this Kate is no good she doesn’t care about other peoples feelings I believe that Greg is a great guy so please nation make them the next bachelor

[@773SleepyHollow]

@@lordreyna6924 Seriously... I'm not remotely a Blake fan, as you may have guessed, but the way Katie's family went after him, ESPECIALLY Aunt Lindsey... I'll repeat what I said on an EW thread (using another screen name): "Blake must have been thinking, 'Back off, lady... drop your baggage on the carousel before you talk to me!'"

[@FranCoVids]

One of my friends told me he used to go to school with her and told me how annoying she was. Now I understand what he meant. 😂

[@ayantubedaso3041]

I agree with Katie but she is a whole hypocrite complaining he was rude speaking to her but now she’s doing the same thing

[@yadanalin]

She’s pissed . What do u expect?

[@Landonta]

Well he needs to have his own taste of medicine

[@tonydanielii1026]

Also she didn't wait till the last guy to say I love you so...again seems to me she made her choice so I am team Greg and completely don't fault him for walking away

[@speedude0164]

To me the problem with Greg wasn't that he was rude, it's that his reason for being upset made no sense. Well ok it at least made sense how he got to that point, but he needed to understand the reality of the show he was on. He can't get mad at Katie for comparing his progress to other guys when the concept of the show is literally dating multiple guys and eliminating them until you have one left. He also just kept contradicting himself, tonight for example when he said he respected Katie's decision to wait until F1 to confess her love, and then later that he expected her to say she loved him in that moment.

[@naomi0brooks]

@@tonydanielii1026 that literally made me so mad.. she's telling Greg he's number 1 and he's gonna win but sitting there not telling him she loves him or a kiss or nothing.. but the next week turns around and tells Blake she loves him?? Like what? Thought u were waiting til the end..? I think she told Blake she loved him cuz she was still in pain and didn't want him to leave if she didn't and he is basically a rebound

[@That.little.chef.]

I’m sorry but I liked Katie up until the Greg breakup. She handled everything so wrong especially this ATFR 😕 disappointed seeing her act like that

[@centigradz2centigradz289]

She still got engaged to Blake. She wasn't going to pick Greg. He knew it and bailed. She was upset that he didn't stay and it affected her ego.

[@riocallans3396]

exactly

[@haileytavarez8117]

You on my team because your comment is so right GANG GANG GANG

[@moonshine1021]

Yup. It was so odd to me how she moved on so quickly from greg

[@beachbunny7256]

@@moonshine1021 Yesss!! What the heck?! You go from ready to leave thre show to I'm madly in love with Blake and want to marry him??!! Whaaat the...

[@beachbunny7256]

Bruised ego!! Wow, what a bully!!

[@amandatidey5751]

I love how she says something "powerful" and then pauses and waits for the applause

[@ForeverFashionGirl21]

kinda something a narcissist would do dare I say...

[@Yentra163]

@@ForeverFashionGirl21 🤣you are so f*cked up and literally GASLIGHTING right there. Katie is confident and she STANDS UP FOR HERSELF. And confronts weak cowards who don't take responsibility for their abusive/cowardice actions. That is not narcissism. You're part of a smear campaign one or all of these loser dudes hired.

[@prasad9002]

😂😂😂

[@OfficialPrettyLittleLiars]

Why are people acting like you can only feel one emotion at once? She can be in love with Blake and still hold a lot of anger towards Greg, specially since the show is airing back.

[@Jacob-ip4yt]

FACTS

[@dpatterson4483]

Exactly! I think she is mainly angry at the fact that they were so perfect to that point and just b/c she did not give him what he wanted he decided to be a child. He decided to throw a tantrum, be rude and disrespectful, and run away. It was disappointing and tbh I think she was just giving him a taste of his own medicine in her delivery. Yea may have been harsh but who cares. Blake and Katie are together hopefully forever. Sorry Greg but Katie said "thank u, next" and got a man who even when she couldnt give him full validation stuck around, fought for her. Took her Aunt's harsh skepticism, and still chose her. Blake is amazing!

[@KaraDep87]

Yep! This is not a Disney princess movie. It’s real people, with real lives and personalities

[@ariannagraves631]

THANK YOU!!!

[@bratzsnoopy]

He absolutely humiliated her on national television. I'd be pissed too. And on top of that, to hear him say he has no regrets....🙄

[@angel_976]

I use to like Katie but she is a bully here. Her relationship with Blake is more sexual than love.

[@bonniebeckley7254]

I totally agree!

[@jmlw3]

100%

[@tesscordellkitchen]

100 percent! she has no choice but to pick Blake. She said she love him but because she doesnt want him to leave like Greg did.

[@ALEX9080]

agreed

[@angel_976]

I do not think Blake and Katie would last long either.

[@Sam-tz7cd]

Greg was not acting. He's just very insecure. When he didn't get the answer he thought he deserved he just shut down. I think this whole show was too much for him. He needs some counselling.

[@nemo2327]

Yea I think the acting spiel was a low blow but I agree with him needing to seek guidance/therapy

[@jesusfreak7777]

I feel he notice quickly she was trouble and there was some red flags so he jumped out of the sailboat. I would of felt insecure dating her aswell.

[@anthonyiuculano6002]

So does she. A lot.

[@trey3rob]

This is a petty pointless confrontation….

[@SilkyShish]

Agree.

[@veronicamiller3868]

She is a terrible person she treated him terrible like a piece of dirt she is a mean and nasty person she needs to grow up

[@hazelej4123]

Katie was so mean here…it’s terrible

[@zummy2007]

If she was truly happy and in love none of this would have mattered. She could have just said she was disappointed in how it ended and that she wished him the best. Anger proves she still has feelings. Sorry Blake.

[@Blueeyesinthesky]

You have to think about how she didn’t even get any closure though. He just left without even saying goodbye after everything. Like you have to have some understanding. The way he left her was just so brutal and almost cold hearted Bc he didn’t take her feelings into consideration at all after everything and all the time she put into their relationship. Like try to put yourself in her shoes ya know? I get she did not react perfectly here but like none of us are perfect

[@ocuituco9]

Yup

[@sippycuppp]

@@Blueeyesinthesky true but at that point she had to have the right response. it wasn’t just something wrong she said. it was the biggest moment for him and for their relationship in his eyes. and for her to not acknowledge that just broke his heart

[@nicolexbooks5150]

i don’t think a lot of people truly understand what it’s like being on the receiving end of manipulative behaviour. it could be years later and seeing someone who hurt you so deeply can stir up a reaction you don’t expect. being happy with someone else and being hurt at how poorly you were treated can coexist.

[@klw8771]

I agree; the anger she unleashed on him wouldn’t have been there if she is as truly happy & in love as she says she is with Blake. As Zummy2007 says it only proves there is still hurt and feelings involved. And to bash someone over & over, publicly shaming them on national TV is not only cruel it shows a real lack of maturity. A happy, loving person feels no need to do that, has moved on and is gracious in their behaviours. Her true “youth” & uncouth colours shone through here..

[@effiekoliopoulos979]

Katie was so verbally abusive here. I get she's angry but girl you're engaged and met the love of your life. Tone it down a bit and don't be a hypocrit

[@waksman05]

The way she ask him if he was not going to apologize? Its like she is talking to her child who has done smtg wrong. That was so gross and hard to watch. I think he handled way too good for all the things she said to him

[@lindanguyen9102]

This!!!!

[@klw8771]

Verbally abusive is accurate.. I think if I were him I would have got up and walked away from that whole attack but he was a man & spoke to it the best he could, while being attacked, over & over, she never listening. And the 2 women commentators letting her get away with it; she just embarrassed herself in front of the nation. Liked her at first but after this vindictive & immature display, not able to properly manage her own supposedly “happy & in love” feelings with such contempt .. she’s proven broken herself and lost my respect

[@effiekoliopoulos979]

@@waksman05 She was how Greg was that day they had the fight. And I cringed when she’s like “week after week” I gave you reassurance. That’s great and all but what did you do in the moment after you met his family... nothing. What she did for Blake after he said I love you to her... is what Greg wanted but she wasn’t feeling Greg as strongly. She knew who she was picking deep down but wanted to fantasy suite to make a final decision. I don’t blame greg for protecting himself from her inconsistent behavior and lame boundaries she decided to eventually break. Justin was still there.

[@pi6235]

I don’t think she loves Blake haha!

[@j.i.r608]

Katie believes rumors way too easily

[@jennifergersch9126]

No kidding!

[@daniellap8939]

they r true tho

[@tonydanielii1026]

Yes the rumors are true, can someone go to Greg's and get some pictures with his academy awards and movie contracts that he should have if he's that good of an actor 😆

[@fseedat4128]

And considering the way she stood up against rumors on Matt's season.. how hypocritical of her to blindly believe rumors about Greg. Looks like she just says things 2 stay on top

[@SilkyShish]

TRUTH.

[@Burnzy1518]

I really don't like her. I've given her many chances. I don't like how she makes assumptions.

[@charliep9066]

All Katie did in the finale was prove Greg was right all along. He does deserve better. And she’s the one doing all the gaslighting.

[@lachelleb3699]

Katie is clearly the gas lighter. I just cannot get over her blank stare when poured himself out to her. Could not even connect on a human level, she is not the only one with feelings. This chick is certifiable, and he should be happy he got away.

[@SupernaturalLove100]

.......do you not know that production edits scenes to make them look a certain way? you’re gullible it seems

[@donnagrote1283]

@@SupernaturalLove100 er they dont add to the edit only take away from!!! Your the gullible one.

[@kaitlynsikora1640]

what ab when she poured her heart out and he walked away from her claiming he deserved better? all of them did. its the bachelor(ette) nobody wants to think that the person they love is with other people feeling those feelings. she had every right to express how she was hurt.

[@BBH101]

"Rude and dramatic?" Looks like Katie is talking about Katie.

[@SilkyShish]

Lol. Best comment ever and so true!

[@keishlamontes2190]

she is also talking about Greg cause he was dramatic and rude like why is it ok when Greg expressed himself but not when katy does it?

[@SilkyShish]

@@keishlamontes2190 - Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because he didn't do a good job communicating on the show does not justify her also behaving in this petty, immature manner either.

[@keishlamontes2190]

@@SilkyShish agree she couldve done that better but what she said overall wasn't wrong

[@SilkyShish]

@@keishlamontes2190 -Falsely accusing him of acting? There was a lot wrong with what she said to him. The whole thing was childish. She basically attacked him and there a better ways and more mature ways to communicate and that was NOT it.

[@maheen97]

Ooo she is not over him lol. I do think Greg was wrong in leaving like he did but I definitely don’t think that is gaslighting and it’s super problematic for Katie to say that. As someone whose experienced gaslighting and didn’t know until my therapist pointed it out, this is NOT it. Greg likely has anxious attachment and Katie did do a terrible job of validating his love in that moment.

[@tonydanielii1026]

She also broke her own rule lol so Greg was right again, she didn't love him.

[@anniebanana3698]

@@tonydanielii1026 How did she break her own rule? She let Justin go the moment she decided it was Blake that she was in love with.

[@Singingactingloving]

@@anniebanana3698 because she told Greg’s family that she wouldn’t say she loved any of the men until the final, meaning TFR. But after Greg left she fell in love with Blake and said it to him while Justin was still there. Which granted, many contestants before her had done. But she made it very clear to Greg that the only reason she wasn’t saying “I love you” was because of the rule she set which she broke for Blake a day later.

[@tonydanielii1026]

@@anniebanana3698 but she told blake before she let him go ... just because she decided does not mean Justin wasn't there...and guess what she chose BLAKE so again Greg was right, she never loved him.

[@jsa0315]

Agree!!

[@daniellecalder5193]

She’s got a lot of feelings for him still!

[@AfricanWifeinPakistan]

Yeap, since the beginning she was pursuing that man. Women do not pursue a man. A man goes after the woman. This is a big big NO. He was never into her.

[@justdancejosie]

Agreed! If she’s with Blake moooove on, leave him alone

[@lisahenshall3053]

Feelings of anger only.

[@nadinepoggy9031]

I think so too

[@NoDnaJustRsa]

Yes..anger.

[@jcm3094]

Thank god the audience clapped for Gregg when he said “just because your the bachelorette your not above me, we should be equal in the relationship”! I was so shocked when the audience was clapping for Katie. He is the one according to Katie was not going to get chosen. He was the heartbroken one. Katie only cared about how it would look with all the guys leaving the show.

[@peanutbutter4435]

Was that in this video? I didn’t see it

[@olive3700]

Katie was self-righteous and lecturing like this on Matt's season, she could have just set an example by being nice to the women who came late, but she made smug speeches and for some reason the show liked that and gave her the lead in spite of not making the final four. Big mistake. This has been, by far, the worst season of The Bachelorette.

[@victoriousvirago6686]

yes agree a million percent

[@chloes.8026]

I can't stand katie

[@michellejean5820]

Katie’s feelings were valid but sheesh.That was intense. Poor Greg he seemed like he was genuinely sorry.

[@m.d.m4822]

Actors are meant to be believable…

[@thequeen3834]

Probably wants the followers to bash him on social media

[@saimumjahan5182]

@@m.d.m4822 well Greg is actor!! What about blake falling in love with every bachelorette!! Isn’t that acting too?

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Disagree. She wasn’t willing to actually listen to Greg. Her accusations were backed up with zero evidence. All that anger came from heresay, and she took other people’s opinions personal, and blamed them on Greg. That’s not valid feelings. They were feelings created from internet trolls feeding her emotional wreckage…

[@JacesOwnWorld]

@@saimumjahan5182 Katie’s an actress too though.

[@sophieirene5623]

“ gaslighting is when you try to make someone else feel like it’s their fault“ KATIE THATS NOT WHAT GASLIGHTING IS 😭😭😭. gas·light: manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.

[@skylarmertz]

THANK YOU everyone throws that term around so loosely and it’s rarely ever used correctly 😩

[@leahbloom3752]

right the verb would be blaming if anything ?? she should’ve googled it

[@sarahkelly3234]

Intelligence isn't her greatest asset.

[@jeteaze]

Yes. Just because people have disagreements, points of view, or different opinions does not mean they are gaslighting you.

[@zenobiaboyd4246]

He certainly tried to confuse her and punish her , every time she said something he responded with changing what he said and telling her she didn’t understand him. I don’t care what that is technically called, it came across as manipulation to me. Why are you all so judgemental of Katie, she did her best to work out what he was saying, just because it didn’t meet your approval does not make her a bad person at all. Whole thing just showed they were not meant to be together as neither could communicate well. He did not understand her position either, and showed very little compassion.

[@Charlotte-ed5lq]

Ergh Katie that was just Ugliness. Grown women in love do not react like this… she embarrassed herself and Blake acting this way when she’s meant to be so happy in this moment. You can clearly see she has feelings for him, she’s physically shaking even being next to him. Petty from her. You don’t fight fire with fire.

[@pepper1188]

And he's half hanging off the cushion trying to get away from her...

[@brendanmartin2774]

Awesome response...So true!

[@briannarobinson3714]

Anyone else think Greg looks exactly like Ryan gosling ?

[@chillpillgal]

Katie revealed her true KAREN attotude here 🤷‍♀️ I really think Greg is sincere. His family is straight to the point. Katie should research what is the true meaning of gas lighting because in this moment SHE IS ALSO GASLIGHTING GREG!

[@Tameker6]

I'm sorry but the way she reacted was just proof that she needs to focus on her healing. I wish she would have ended up alone and ended up with someone later because she needs to deal with her emotions and heal from the relationship. The same way Greg needs to heal from the trauma of losing his dad. I wish her and Blake the best, but I have so many thoughts about the whole season. Katie unfortunately made herself come off as a hypocrite with her actions. She was entitled to feel how she feels, but forgiveness is for you not anyone else.

[@jennifergersch9126]

Applause!

[@Blueeyesinthesky]

I hear what your saying. But you have to remember that Greg gave her 0 closure and walked away without saying goodbye. You have to imagine how bad that hurts someone…I doubt any of us would be any better at her interaction with him if we were in her position. Like let’s be real.

[@Tameker6]

@@Blueeyesinthesky i get what you are saying too, but that's why it's important to allow yourself to take time to allow yourself to feel your feelings and sort things out. She didn't need to end up with anyone in the end and although I hope she can make it work with Blake, I am not sure they will last long term because she didn't do the work she needed to do. She was angry after months of not taking the time to mourn the breakup. Of course she would have questions, have some sadness, want to get some clarity, etc but the issue is that she acted the was she claimed Greg was acting though. She kept throwing shots at him and seemed fueled by the audience. As I said she is entitled to feel how she feels, but it was up to her to focus on healing and letting go of the relationship. She spoke her truth, but was hurtful, didn't let him really explain himself and when he tried to she would go on about how she validated him with this, this and this and refused to actually listen. To me it showed her true colors as well, they are one in the same and need to work out what they need to work out within themselves. She was condescending here and is talking down to him whereas Greg is over all of it. If she was as happy as she says she is with Blake, why not just say thank you for getting me to my person, what happened really hurt me but I am happy now and leave it at that? Being the bigger person would have just been letting him speak what he needed to say, her speaking her truth without throwing jabs in the process about being an actor and this and that. On both sides it was "I this and I that" which shows an issue in the way they communicate and that they both focus on their own perception of their relationship and not seeing that they both could have acted differently at the end of their relationship.

[@ulalaupepa8558]

100% agree, she embarrassing herself on national TV.

[@jiniret8014]

I think the reaction was in response to her listening to his solo interview with Taysha and Kaitlyn where he says he had no regrets. I feel that if he said he would have done some things differently, she would have been a lot more empathetic. Unfortunately that didn’t happen. He still stands by everything he did.

[@noellarash367]

Who was that “angry/bitter girl” on stage for the finale? I thought she was sooo “ sweet” What an actress!!

[@beachbunny7256]

Definitely!! Holy moly!! She showed her true colors tonight!!

[@Blueeyesinthesky]

She had every right to feel how she felt. She didn’t act perfectly but honestly let’s not act like you and I would? Imagine if a guy you loved ran into an issue with you, decided not to hear you out and try to work it out and then just leave without saying goodbye or having any closure or anything? Like come on, you have to at least try and put yourself into her shoes here.

[@donnabbb3298]

@@Blueeyesinthesky Yes, she does have the right to feel what she felt. We all have the right to our feelings but they don't have to dictate our actions. She could still feel what she did and handled this differently.

[@gocheckumgo9722]

@@Blueeyesinthesky And Greg had every right to feel like he felt. Dude poured his heart out and got nothing back. He was right to leave. She herself proved that that by immediately telling the other guy she loved him back the next day lol. If she felt it for Greg, she would have said it with Greg. Then he comes out all gracious & she berates him for doing what he knew in his heart was the right thing to do. "Like come on, you have to at least try and put yourself into" HIS shoes too.

[@ballin-4687]

Katie just embarrassed herself. She acted like a brat the entire time while Greg was mature and civil. Katie knew he was going to be logical, upfront and mature as it’s shown, so she tries to act over the top, and tries to cut him off with whinny attitude because she knows she can’t defeat him civilly. She’s definitely got her aunt in her: Insecurity. Katie created a bratty attitude towards Greg who was mature because her insecurities took over her, it’s clear to see. She’s too busy in defense mode rather than instinctively responding, not acting as if it’s an emotional competition. Many people fail to realize the bigger picture in the end

[@portiaroberts529]

I strongly feel that Katie loved Greg more than Blake.. that feeling of always thinking that Greg was the one who got away..even in this video, you can still feel she still has a lot of tense passion ( good or bad ) towards Greg. I feel like she was mostly speaking out of anger here where Greg was held more together in his emotions ( except in the break up scenes off course ) but I also have to say that if both Greg and Bri are real dating, then best of luck to them and off course to the newly engaged couple. Blake and Katie, wishing them all the best!

[@danikap5664]

This isn’t about Tht , maybe she has some higher infatuation toward him. And.

[@danikap5664]

Love prevails and tells over time .. she has the spark w/ Blake enough to grow into something stronger than watever was between these 2, or even watever was on Katie’s end

[@mrmarkus4652]

You’re right. It was Blake or nothing and she didn’t want to walk off with no one, because everyone would say she blew a good chance with greg.

[@classifiedsincebirth]

Daniella B lol. Good one. Hopefully you’re right, but their relationship is based on falsehoods. I agree with you that fairy tale romances are possible, but not here

[@veronicamiller3868]

I agree with you that she still loves Greg she won’t be acting like this if she didn’t so that’s probably why she’s being so mean and I think she still loves Greg a whole Lott

[@wahoomed08]

Katie is the actual villian of the show. Nice acting. She was always gonna choose Blake and would break her own rules for him. She just wanted Greg and Justin to stay to be good little boys to fluff her own ego. They dodge a major bullet.

[@kristannablue]

💯

[@juliekirk5365]

I can't believe it!! Greg was RIGHT ABOUT HER WANTING BLAKR. but yet she still demolished Greg's character

[@sydneyhelwig2940]

They should have titled this video “Watch Katie Invalidate Greg’s Feelings for 5 Minutes”. She claims that she gave him enough, but fails to recognize that she is not Greg and does not know what his needs are. I really liked her last season, but this was all just cruel and unnecessary.

[@AfricanWifeinPakistan]

Greg dodged a bullet with this one. Talking about gaslighting. Who was verbally abusing who on national TV.

[@shannonrivers]

watching this made me realize how happy i am that micheal a and greg didnt end up with katie lmao they deserve so much better. her negative rude bully type of energy here is a big NO from me .

[@bringsnsdback1645]

Bully. It's not bullying it's hurt and anger mixed you can tell she not purposely trying to be mean, she is so hurt because her feeling for him are still very deep. I love how you give Greg the benefit of doubt but not Katie. Guess who is the negative person here

[@jayjus5575]

Looks like Katie was all over media reading what was been said about Greg. Everything she told him was things been said on social media. I understand she was heartbroken rewatching it but she didn’t have to go off on him like that on national TV. Made her look bad. Her aunt did warn Blake about the personalities of women in their family and I saw it right there with Katie. Blake you might me in trouble here. Plus I think she’s still in love with Greg and Blake was a rebound to make sure she got that engagement ring in the end. I truly feel like it would have been Greg over Blake had he stayed hence why she said to Greg it you leave then all this was for nothing. Poor Blake

[@TinTin-mh1dp]

Blake is so runner up. Wished he turned her @ss down too. That would have been classic and epic!!!

[@thatgirl9532]

Agreed mate. Those last 2 episodes made her look bad especially ATFR. I’m so glad some people finally have an understanding as to why Gregg reacted the way he did even if it wasn’t pretty. I’d personally be upset to. Also I don’t think it was fair for her to accuse him of this so called acting especially when it came to him talking about his emotions and the way he felt about her and his father who passed. That was not cool and I believe she needs to apologise because she went overboard… and I totally agree with the rest of what you said because it makes so much sense. But also she told Justin you made it to the final 2 for a reason when she promised Gregg he would be in the top 2 yikes and Justin watched it all back. I feel so sorry for Justin especially but also for Gregg and for Blake.. but then again I don’t think her and Blake will last long anyway..

[@xoxojoy01]

Thought that too

[@xsonicsparkx]

1. Sorry, but Katie wasn't gaslit or manipulated. She gave him ZERO reaction. None. 2. She is 100% in the wrong with putting him on blast and making wild accusations. 3. She isn't over Greg. 4. I feel bad for Blake.

[@Inhindsightpod]

Katie is a child she knows she’s in front of an audience full of women and knows everyone gonna be on her side so she continues to bash him and tear him down, throughout the whole season all she did was act and cry her eyes out with crocodile tears so she has no room to talk

[@simplyCutiePieAlex]

If I were Blake I'd be pissed ! The opposite of love is indifference.. and she's clearly not over it 🙄

[@MJ-ji6mv]

☝ agreed!

[@Naisy77]

@fatkatrabbit factss

[@Naisy77]

THIS COMMENT

[@karenayers6793]

@fatkatrabbit FACTS!!

[@huggers5733]

She seems like she is still in love with him and is mad that he made her pick her second choice

[@bentennyson6141]

Absolutely right. Katie took her anger out on him lol

[@pearlspacejam8639]

How do you think Blake feels

[@huggers5733]

@@pearlspacejam8639 maybe like he was her second choice. but i bet he loves her so much and wanted to get married so bad that he is willing to look past that fact.

[@IrishBog]

@@pearlspacejam8639 Maybe he’ll get a spot on Dancing With The Stars as a constellation prize

[@pearlSF]

I’m embarrassed for Katie and her behavior. What an incredibly angry response she had, for someone who is so blissfully happy. It was painful to watch her rip him a new one, She never stopped playing the game long enough to realize that Greg was asking for a genuine moment between himself and the woman he cared for, not The Bachelorette. If she honestly felt that he was her person, she had the opportunity to open up to him and share her feelings - but she chose not to do that. She couldn’t even see what he was asking for. She seems like she’ll be a Bridezilla, Godspeed to Blake. Third time’s the charm for both of them…

[@milwaukeemotor5995]

I'm so proud of her for standing up to him

[@LuminaireLRP]

It's not that you have feelings, it's how you express them. He revealed himself to be a self victimizing emotionally abusive person during their breakup. His entire behavior was filled with textbook covert narcissistic tendencies. I'm also glad she stood up for herself because however valid his feelings might have been, they did not give him an excuse to treat her in that way. They never do, but emotional abusers will always use them as such.

[@prasad9002]

She still wants him. 😂

[@strawberrycakeland]

I genuinely think Greg just doesn't know how to express himself (based on what he said when he FIRST left)....... I don't think he does things purpose.. he wasn't even trying to argue and seems like he didn't even know what to really say plus as other people mentioned.. Katie barely let him get a word out HERE and even when she did, she wasn't really listening. They both played a part in how things ended.

[@mkai15]

How can he try to express himself when Katie is literally hammering down every single petty comment at him? Every time he tries to speak, she’s attacking him. Her anger towards him is rightfully deserved. But this felt like a “let’s all gang up on Greg” kind of night. They both hurt each other but this could’ve been a night where they could speak appropriately and be able to see each other’s POV

[@tonydanielii1026]

@@mkai15 also in the end was he really wrong...🤷‍♂️

[@sarahkelly3234]

Katie had her script memorized and nothing Gregg could say would make sense. She has some growing to do mentally.

[@GodSoLoved.Yeshua]

He actually explained himself very well. Katie was being petty and rude.

[@SilkyShish]

I AGREE. The guy is only 28. How many men in their 20's know how to properly communicate in a relationship? Not many...as you age and hopefully mature...you grow and learn. Katie was completely out of line here.

[@brittanyjohnson549]

katie literally manifested greg leaving. she kept saying "i feel like you're going to leave" to him every time they were together and then when he finally did leave she said "greg is someone i never thought would leave like this." he poured his heart out to her and she just laughed in his face. katie was so awkward when meeting his family, she could barely even look greg's mom in the eyes when she was talking about their relationship like she felt guilty and didn't even believe what she was saying. i think katie knew she wasn't going to pick greg and let him self sabotage the relationship so she didn't have to look like the bad guy and break his heart. she said it was "the biggest heartbreak of her life" but then says i love you to blake a couple days later???

[@luv2467]

I don’t think she was heartbroken…her ego was wounded … big difference

[@AvisWrentmore]

She sure did and now she goes Crazy on him here. He's a class act for handling her antics here. He DODGED A BULLET.

[@commonsense5481]

Ok I must have watched a different show because as I see it, in no way shape or form is this anyway Greg’s fault she knew she was not in love with him when he said it to her. She was just going to keep him around for the drama. She is a hypocrite, keeping someone around is not validation that shows love them. And he knew she didn’t feel the same way. She should have let him go just like she did to the other guy. Honestly that guy should be pissed because he just found out he was actually 3rd runner up.

[@Jerpavoo]

this is so hard to watch Katie babbling away her on how her feelings were hurt, while she's shoving her tongue down Blakes mouth. And how many times did Greg look at his watch? LOL

[@ulalaupepa8558]

You mean looking at that witch. Katie sound like an angry lion. Embarrassing for her.

[@manuelramos5599]

Oh yes she did the same with other half a dozen guys during the show. Ohh am so devastated the moment she turned around she was giving dental check ups with her tongue. Come on please. She s a bitter woman. Imagine that as a wife? 🤮

[@nevermines]

This was horrible. Lol her true colors were showing. These men dodged a massive bullet. Katie can continue reading her Twitter comments and using other people’s arguments as her own. She’s just has an awful personality and is clearly heartbroken and bitter.

[@beatakropiwnicka4330]

Greg: I love you , Katie: I am a bachlorette playing the role of my life, Greg: But I love you, Katie: I told you I am on TV now...

[@doglady9334]

Exactly

[@dannynguyen9782]

Facts.

[@semaphoreLock]

This exactly

[@rad2369]

THIS!!!!!! this is what Greg is trying to communicate to her

[@Besties591]

Don’t forget he signed up to be on the TV show too

[@simmytom7684]

Never liked Katie. From Matt's season to her own season, she ain't it chief. Greg should be happy to avoid this one. Finally this ladies season is over and we can move onto a nicer lady, Michelle.

[@keishlamontes2190]

no he shouldnt he has many things to work on too like their just not made for each other

[@Mkrish_]

I'm with Greg on this.

[@kenross402]

Am I the only one who noticed that Gregg was asking for validation which she couldnt give him except by asking him to stay. BUT, THE NEXT DAY SHE TELLS BLAKE SHE LOVES HIM WITH NO PROBLEM AT ALL !! And she gets mad at Gregg?? What am I missing here ...

[@beatakropiwnicka4330]

Katie is surface level. Greg fell in love for her playing the bachlorette was more important than finding love. Greg made a great decision leaving Katie he needs real LOVE

[@alexajones2593]

Spot On

[@jacksongoldman407]

Facts

[@steven4570]

Then he needed to not be on the show.

[@platinumprodigy9745]

@@c.j.giordano2129 I don't think being the bachelor is right for him.. His personality and goals do not align with the "process" of the show.

[@Crazygurl1211]

She's going way too far. I liked her before this, but she is actually borderline abusive here. I think she's actually the one doing the gaslighting here, twisting things to make it look like he never had real feelings for her when there's really no evidence of that. He walked away because he couldn't really deal with her reaction to his feelings. Also, I don't really believe that she and Blake are going to last. It looks like she chose Blake because Greg left and took himself away as a choice, and Blake seems to basically just fall for anyone and everyone who is put in front of him - first Clare, then Tayshia, now Katie.

[@shannonrivers]

Everything you said i completely agree with

[@justkat2608]

I don’t know, I think this was her expressing her hurt and how she felt about what he did. When you look at how he did a complete 180 and refused to listen to her. One minute he’s like “you’re my everything I love you more than anyone I’ve never felt this way I wanna marry you” for her to comfort him and be there for him and listening to him and having to hold back because she had to, because that’s the nature of the show, she’s not allowed to show that she chose him before the show ended. Then for him to go “You don’t love me I don’t think you love me you’re not good, I gave you everything and I deserve more, bye” after a single night of just maybe her not expressing what he expected her to, like he put her on a pedestal and the moment she wasn’t doing exactly what he wanted her to, he was cold, and abandoned her. I get that for him it was probably relational trauma, but that doesn’t excuse it and I don’t think she’s in the wrong to have those thoughts or to say them

[@lmansur1000]

I see the problem with Katie. She did not respond emotionally when he poured his heart out. She had a big barrier. I am with Greg. Katie is into the right and wrong game and that is childish. Greg was authentic. She is not! Good he found out.

[@User74569]

Katie is complaining saying Greg seems like he was never there for her, yet Blake was there for two other women

[@jennifergersch9126]

Ya think?!

[@Meet23ful]

How is this even a point. So you’re allowed to date zero women before getting married?

[@meccikee205]

Hahaha snd would have been back for Michelle season if they didn't let him win. Lol...

[@efrngt1234]

Greg was originally signed up for Clare's season

[@User74569]

@@Meet23ful the point is if tayshia “knew” someone who was interested in Katie. As she said when Blake was brought in, they should’ve introduced themselves to each-other before wasting a season.

[@christiner7294]

The only time I've seen people act this angry and hurt is when they are in love ,but don't know how to communicate properly.

[@Blueeyesinthesky]

She felt strongly for him and he really hurt her 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@MJ-ji6mv]

Christine, I agree.

[@christinareap8976]

She’s probably also angry because he pulled a big one on National tv . She has this pent up anger it doesn’t mean she’s necessarily “in love” with him.

[@kathleenjoya.b.8650]

Move on Katie, I thought ur in love with Blake already.. There's no need to plant seeds of anger, it is what it is.

[@preciouspayne723]

Blake broke up with her