This Vtuber's Art Is Suspicious...

[@jasontoddler43115]

It's really hard to know. people have accused me of using AI while I draw on paper . yes I use 3d models , photo bashing etc for BG but not AI .

[@defaulted9485]

I don't get this specifically. Its on (around my place) paper next to watercolor pencils and drawing pen WITH TIMELAPSE. Even if its might be AI, its gonna be too easy to prove that people shouldn't accuse willy nilly. Though we could have just conclude the accuser is a bad person, it happens a bit too often too.

[@zinzolin14]

Some people just wanna be nasty. Either way, if you confront them with proof they'll back down quickly. Recently I had a guy on reddit accuse me of using AI for a very sketchy piece I posted, simply because he thought my hands looked bad (they were sketchy but looked human enough). Turns out he's just your typical reddit loser who likes making others mad. Anyway, I stood my ground and he quickly gave up, he even deleted some of his comments.

[@PotatoLaptopUser101]

Because apparently there’s now ai that essentially draws on *real* paper for you while you just hold the pencil and floating drawing. Although you can easily tell as of now if it’s ai or not. Sorry if i am not too clear on this concept.

[@MINTCHOCOKEI]

​@@PotatoLaptopUser101A.I CAN DO THAT?????

[@roserain7034]

Usually, sketch is safe but I've seen people share a method in which they project the drawing on paper and trace it like that 🙃 If only people spend that much time improving then finding ways to cheat.

[@y0rii1raged]

The amount of AI and traced arts going around on twitter is insane.

[@bloomyy_.]

there’s quite literally a new person using ai/tracing every few days

[@unicoprb]

omg yes, there's like at least 3 people everyday just tracing art sadly

[@teddybearmei8713]

the ergo josh one has me going insane :[

[@mrpickles-hb6zx]

@veipurr don't blame ai for something people have been doing since forever

[@strawberry_jam_knife]

it's making me lose my mind

[@CanaVTuber]

6:40 I did not commission this piece. He probably did it for practice, which would explain why the rendering is different. I would say the one on the left is less rendered because it was just practice, whereas the one on the right was a commission so maybe that’s why it’s more detailed

[@j0357]

regarding his process, i just wanna say, i do the same thing lmao, i tend to thumbnail in other canvas then copy and paste and then fix the pose with boxing and stuff, or sometimes just make a random sketch and then start fixing it, i usually fix the initial sketch arou 4-5 times because idk, and then i hit record when i have the good clean sketch, otherwise i feel youre gonna be watching the same process for too lon, and other times i forget to record until im like halfway trhought the inking. so watching stuff like this makes me really insecure about showing my process lol , its so sad to see "artist" do this kind of stuff, and are taking speedpaints are make it suspicious too. by the looks of it we're all gonna have to stream lol

[@imright77]

yeah, I think overall with proving anything, including art abilities, it's best to do it live. that clears any doubts about video editing or any tricks, because it's a lot harder to fake in real time without getting caught. this is also why speedruns are streamed.

[@Chanacabra]

I mean its fine if you do it this way, but if you're accused of tracing or using ai wouldnt you try and record it all in one? Like I do that too where I will sketch something on my phone and import it into another programm but if I had to proof im actually doing it all from scratch id just... do it? Like its not that hard to just once draw it all in one programm. Thats the thing that always gets me when i see this as "proof"

[@kylesby]

Yeah same, sometimes when my first sketch doesn't look good, I block them out to try fix the proportions so then I can have proper easy lineart.

[@roserain7034]

I do that as well but if I get accused of AI, I will honestly just show the process from start to finish? Especially for my new pieces to rid of the doubt.

[@neko0my0cat]

@@imright77 but not everyone wants to do that or is possible to do that

[@dinner1232]

I just passed my drivers test

[@evilskwdirector]

CONGRATULATIONS🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤

[@user-kd9xc6zu8j]

Congract :3

[@KrakenKingdom_]

Congrats

[@XxLadyYae]

CONGRATSS

[@GrimTreatzz]

CONGRATS WOOO 🎉🎉🎉

[@anversailles]

I'd just like to point this out: After learning photography to enhance my lighting skills, stylized art looks better if you can make incorrect lighting look logical. This is why a lot of cosplay shoots have additional lights like bar lights and diffusers to highlight and bring out parts of costumes that otherwise would be less visible with a "correct" singular light. Just because it's "incorrect" from a singular light source doesn't mean it's immediately suspicious.

[@NightPhoenixPress]

I do this all the time.

[@daesong1378]

As someone who does photography I thought that too. Also if someone used a photo as a reference it’s also likely has multiple light sources. If the photo is a studio photo, it’s highly unlikely that they only used once light sources. Key light, rim light, catch light, fill light, bounce. By that standard every piece of art with a shine in the eye but is also backlit, is “incorrect”.

[@moonshineaudios5740]

His art style is normally stiff, despite attempting to be dynamic. The Ai art looks different BECAUSE it’s fluid and soft when his art isn’t normally like that

[@Akaynonek]

Thats true

[@caitlynxzane]

Why are so many people tracing and referencing AI? it’s infamously bad at art, plus with the amount of people getting called out for it, wouldn’t they know by now that they’ll get caught?

[@Allyfyn]

They're not skilled enough to tell how bad it is.

[@lespectator4962]

Laziness, and because they will just make a new account if they get caught sadly. It will not stop till there's an actual consequence.

[@mrpickles-hb6zx]

Referencing ai isn't bad wtf

[@letscrashcar9502]

​@@mrpickles-hb6zxNo its not.referencing ai is the equivalent of learning someone art but dont understand what you learning except on ai case both you and the ai dont understand

[@Skykristal]

yeah his way of sketching is not right. As in, thats not how you sketch when you are on this level. If you're an artist who is drawing detailed anatomy like that, you have actual structure and construction lines throughout your sketch. It could be that its all erased but.. why. He does clean lineart on top. makes no sense.

[@defaulted9485]

I rarely meet an artist who chose minecraft block to sketch a head, especially if they about to draw an intricate hair on top.

[@donutpersonisme]

i tend to backtrack on my sketching just to make sure I'm doing alright

[@wheelsndealz]

You're right. I never really noticed it but ai really loves 3/4 light sources. But that leaves the question, is that because that's what looks the best so that's what they stole more of, or is it because artists also favor it the most too?

[@Allyfyn]

It's because it is one of the most flattering light angles.

[@clownRatcity]

@@Allyfynai doesn’t know if it’s flattering or not, it’s ai. It uses it the most because it stole art from artists who use it a lot

[@Allyfyn]

@@clownRatcity That isn't the only factor but ok

[@Akaynonek]

maybe because when AI shits out the generated picture its glued up together mess of many pieces. It doesn't know that a leg and arm it put together had two different light directions. 🤷🤔

[@paperpout]

This makes me so sad looking at his old pieces because you can see him growing and improving his art. Then boom AI comes in and ruins all his progress

[@AdarableKitten]

some people even if good at art seem to get stuck using other art/poor references as a crutch and in a way self sabotage their reputation and skills. Reference is not bad as long as you make sure the references is not taking over your art and they are great reference like photographs and very experienced pieces designed for study.

[@teddybearmei8713]

i have aphantasia and i use alot of references to help me draw as i dont have that magic in my head everyone keeps mentioning lol, but id never use ai i just couldnt it is too unethical to me.

[@AliceSuhova]

Using ai images holds you back from improving and most of all, learning

[@anna_revesz]

What ho someone with a Blue Lock pfp also you are completely right

[@Allyfyn]

Depends on how you use them; AI is great at composition, especially colour composition, so it is good to learn that from it.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@Allyfyn No its not

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@Allyfyn just study from real artists

[@Allyfyn]

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 You can do both. And yes it is. It is The one benefit of generative AI that I will stand by. It is very hard to come by many artists that do compositions and colour schemes like AI can do. Real artists can give compositions meaning, and create proper details, but AI can compute algorithmically what compositions look nicest. It is best to use both, hand in hand.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Using AI generated images for references is like removing your own foot. Please dont. Take photos. Use that as reference. Your art will improve much faster and will make more sense

[@Allyfyn]

Depends what you're referencing from them

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@Allyfyn nah

[@piecanl]

Haven't finished yet but It's honestly sad. Art culture from a few years ago made referencing so taboo that today some artists still feel as if referencing is a bad thing :(

[@meowmeowm30w]

the anatomy and shading of the big booba pieces are definitely AI. The fact they heavily relied on copying other people's pieces first in a lot of their artworks, and then AI, is very saddening. Because I can see so much potential in their work, so I dont see any reason for them to use so many cheats and get arounds in pieces that can be 100% original??

[@lucadavidson3936]

Starting a speedpaint from an existing sketch is extremely common especially in anime art, just fyi.

[@AlicjaNai]

Please do this about me so people can finally drop the ai alligations I get on daily (or even hourly or minutely(is that a word?) basis. I am joking but it would be a good way to showcase the differences between actual ai and my appearantly ai looking (i dont agree) art. If you want to ever do that just know that I am open for you using my art for some investigation hahahah. I love how you do these videos

[@MidnightOrDarky1]

Oh hey there. I'm a fan and your work is really awesome!

[@Chanacabra]

Okay Im sorry this might be harsh to say but whenever there is something in a drawing they actually drew instead of ai or tracing it just does not match the quality of the rest. I dont think hes just "referencing"

[@Allyfyn]

Raising quality is what decent referencing is supposed to do. If they reference one thing but not the other, of course there would be an imbalance.

[@musyne5887]

As someone who uses clip studio paint, once you click the "record timelapse" option, that setting is on for every single other canvas you make. So he SHOULD have the initial sketch recorded, unless he again manually turned that setting off for some reason... Just very suspicious.

[@HyliaFell]

Eh? Mine doesn't do that. I have to manually click it every time I open a new canvas. I'm not using their newest release, though.

[@musyne5887]

@@HyliaFell That's strange. I've had the program for around 2 years now and it's always done it automatically for me. I also have the most expensive version, though, idk if it's an EX only feature? That would be stupid lol

[@somethinginworl]

@@musyne5887 When you create a new canvas, it gives you the option to tick something that says "Record timelapse", which I didn't know it existed until I wondered cuz of your comment lol Most ppl just go to File>Timelapse>Record timelapse

[@FizzyPool]

​@@HyliaFellthere is an option to have it record every canvas after making a new one, it should be in one of the corners in the make new canvas box if im remembering correctly

[@Karma20XX]

It's automatic for me too. It does make the file sizes bigger so some people might turn it off.

[@g0ry.heartz]

I don't think a cop hiring a criminal to help them is a good reference here, there's lots of CI's in the communities, which are criminals, like drug sellers/ buyers who's entire job is snitching and finding out information for cops. 15:25

[@DeathlyYT_Roblox]

16:20 The door on the left is lit up, while the other side (right side) is dark so the light source has to be from the right side. But then the shadows on the body won't match

[@Aloysius_OHare]

If an art video starts with a SKETCH, its definitely red flag. You start the video on an empty canvas.

[@skookiecat_29]

I mean, i sometimes start with the sketch 🥺

[@Aloysius_OHare]

@@skookiecat_29 To prove you didn’t trace???

[@skookiecat_29]

@@Aloysius_OHare sorry maybe I’m a lil stupid but I’m confused on the question 😭 I meant that sometimes I show speedpaints with the sketch already done, so all that’s actually shown in the speedpaint is lineart and rendering. I don’t trace tho (sometimes I do trace for art studies but I never post traced art)

[@Aloysius_OHare]

@@skookiecat_29 Ah no its okay, i was talking about people who are trying to PROVE that they dont trace.

[@danaparsonsliquidcosmosart2669]

I honestly think he did a speed paint to then claim it wasn't a render cus the render doesn't match his speed paint . It's like he was intentionally making his wonky but then suddenly the finished piece is perfect with no transition

[@TobyStan]

The Sketches look very AI Someone capable of producing something with that level of rendering usually doesnt tend to create such wonky, out of order sketches. Everyones process is different but I cant see how they connect anything by starting off with an outline that just looks blatantly traced. The composition is all set, the clothes, the background the subject interacts with... Just very weird way of starting off a piece

[@onlyestrell]

I feel like the lighting accusations don't add too much proof because I don't use Ai and my lighting ends up how he does his lighting

[@Allyfyn]

If your lighting ends up somewhat how his does, it is possible you just don't have the skill to differentiate between what makes his and your lighting different.

[@Bailey_AJ]

I was drawing on procreate while watching this, and somehow, seeing anime Ai art helped me draw a body, also listening to her talking is so soothing when you draw

[@notabody]

when you look closely at that very 1st picture that was shown, especially in the eyes area, you'll see the biggest giveaway that it's in fact ai, which is hair merging or suddenly cutting off where the eye begins. also rendering makes no sense, why the face and hair are soooo well rendered, but the details like the cat ears, the sword and that weird strap are barely touched? if i had to guess, i think he traces the picture(cuz of wonky and inconsistent lines), cuts out the face and hair from the "reference" and puts over "his" art, maybe adding few details and touch-ups and the rest is his actual work

[@chilljelloton2089]

0:32 adding for other people reading this comment and getting slightly confused. i distinctly remember a trend when i was a kid (currently 24 for refrence so like around the 2010s iirc) where people would erase all the lineart of the hair that was going over eyes on purpose, or have the hair drawn like normal but then have the lineart for the entire eye visible underneath. some would colour the eyes even if htey were hidden behind bangs, etc. etc.. when i first read this comment it reminded me of that trend for some reason, i knew it wasnt what was being described cause i wouldve recognized while watching the video if that style choice was being used. i know anyone else confused probably didnt get flashbacks to being a child drawing online looking at other kids art. that hair in that paticular drawing is normally drawn (no transparency) except for a single strand which just dissappears unlike the other strands. a very easy detail to miss

[@DaShikuXI]

"the biggest giveaway that it's in fact ai, which is hair merging or suddenly cutting off where the eye begins". I would be careful with statements like that though. Cutting off the hair where the eye begins is not a uncommon stylistic choice. This is especially done to keep the pupils uncovered in designs where the pupils are a point of interest.

[@Allyfyn]

I am absolutely sure they don't do that. Cutting off the the hair at the eyes is a *very* common stylistic choice that is made so that the hair doesn't cover the eyes. The face and hair being better rendered is because 1. It's simply easier to learn, and, 2. Faces and hair are most often focal points in anime-esque illustrations, so they are deemed as 'more important', and are practiced more. It is actually more likely than not for a beginner to have their skill ratio be like that. And, 3. Sometimes small, and less noticeable things are left "unrendered", due to either wanting to finish the drawing quickly, not caring to do it because it's not that noticeable, or something else of the sort. 4. "Wonky and inconsistent lines" as a literary descriptor on its own is not a sign of AI art, rather, just beginner art. What people mean by "wonky and inconsistent lines" in terms of AI, looks different.

[@Allyfyn]

​@@chilljelloton2089that is not the very first picture, it is the third

[@starlette7820]

Also referencing AI is a terrible way to learn because AI does not do things properly. There are free 3d model pose websites that also include lighting, and referencing photos for lighting is better for it too.

[@sakurayankishi9708]

I learnt this hard way, was looking for References for ballerinas and didn't realise it was Ai till after it came down to the hands and realised it had 7 fingers and one of the legs just disappeared, had to start from the beginning

[@lunaaoi5]

My sister is ready to quit before she even starts because she has been told her design was ai made… and they have either not said what the proof is but one even demanded she her self prove that it wasn’t

[@LaNoir.]

if she just started drawing and is already accused to tracing, then it's probably true lol. have you seen how beginner art looks like

[@lunaaoi5]

@@LaNoir. we bought the drawing. Both her hands are to damage to draw fine lines like that. The evidence that the 2nd person gave are literally someone never having ever seen real ai art just starting drama.

[@LaNoir.]

@@lunaaoi5 your comment makes no sense

[@lunaaoi5]

@@LaNoir. ill rewrite it and summarize. my sister was going to start vtubing but she cant handle someone insulting the person that created her design. 2 people were really nasty with the way they claimed it was made with ai. The last one even went as far as going to the artist Etsy shop and digging though over 200 drawings just to claim my sister got scammed and that the artist is using ai. Shes a soft person she cant handle innocent people getting attacked. The 2 person even demanded proof from my sister that is not ai after circling mistake in the image she posted.

[@lunaaoi5]

@@LaNoir. sorry the first two comments i should have taken my time writing instead of using talk to text.

[@k31un]

i think many of the comments you made around the sketch area of the speedpaint is only based on your experience so even if you consider it odd it really isn't for a lit of other people. Even if guidelines and hands look really off it still serves as a sketch so it's all about getting the idea down. "AI art tends to this ____ or that ___" You also have to understand that AI is only based on the people it steals from and AI is also getting to the point where the phrase "AI can't draw hands" is outdated and not as true anymore. This is hard to watch

[@magieenvtuber9783]

Hear me out, what i do is i do the sketch i usually export it into a new file and then line art it and go on with it usually, so i see it as normal, rendering does not look AI, seems like bro sometimes just gets lazy, futhermore, why we pretend like we do not trace 3D models, grayscales amp, or photos regularly for characters and backgrounds ? I myself trace pics of my own hands, or pose in front of a mirror and draw bulding blocks over myself, then adjust their proportions, then apply anatomy, trace hands/feet. His art did not look like AI, bro just used "Copainter" AI probably to shade your own artworks.

[@Allyfyn]

You shouldn't really be tracing hands for finished artworks, that aren't just for practice, though. Does it not hurt your pride as an artist?

[@magieenvtuber9783]

@@Allyfyn no. Not at all. People in industry constantly trace over grayscales, 3d models and photos for concept art. Hands add way too much to characters body language, so it's better to trace your own hand if you want to fast get over it, or 3D models, than waste time trying to get it perfect. Sorry i am tracing hands on art that already takes me 5 days 8 hours a day in rendering. Mb ig xd

[@magieenvtuber9783]

@@Allyfyn Do you know 2 of the 6 most expensive paintings in the world were traced in camera obscura ? Artists cheat since the birth of art. Make your life easier. Only pride is finished drawing.

[@Allyfyn]

@@magieenvtuber9783 If it's for things that have to be done really quickly, say, webtoons and such, whatever. But for finished and polished artworks meant to show your skill, it should hurt your pride. If you're already decent at drawing hands they shouldn't feel like a bother to draw. You're still tracing because of a lack of skill.

[@magieenvtuber9783]

@@Allyfyn BRUH. Even Riot artists trace hands and stuff. This is not "lack of skill" this is "time saver". IF HANDS WERE NOT VOCAL POINT I WOULD JUST DRAW THEN, but with them being vocal point and having to be appealing i will trace and simplify as i go over them. Simple.

[@va.n1ll4]

As an artist, that's not how most ppl start out sketches, you'd have atleast a bit more of a rough skeleton before the full sketchy drawing he shows

[@CosmicRot]

This person, the sketching is weird. Like the sketches already have all the features??and doing blocking after... Sometimes I'll block, sketch over, and then block again to fix anatomy etc, so that wasn't too weird to me BUT the fact they they already have sooo many details?? [hair, accessories, clothes, etc] before blocking, and almost only showing finished sketches. varying levels/styles/etc of art getting people accused of being AI always has me so nervous cause with my aphantasia my art can look vastly different even when purposefully trying to make it look the same as something I just drew a few weeks ago 😭 which is why I'm trying to record speedpaints more, but sometimes I forget to start recording until I've already done the sketch, but?? with them it's like... where's the base?? I know some people don't even draw bases and just immediately go into doing details but their style and level of skill seem like they obviously would have more structure below their sketch and they just... don't tldr; you're so right in saying all the stuff about like "on it's own..." cause there's so much stuff on it's own would be totally fine [like the stuff I mentioned with how I do things, and then yeah you've basically said everything else haha] but the more and more that it's combined it starts reading as suspect

[@AnaosPoffu]

I want to give him the benefit of the doubt because each one of my pieces look different- all anime but different styles. i havent found MY style so each piece I try something new. I am always inspired and want to try something new or different and i still havent found something of my own, so I cant judge too much. He made a lot of the mistakes I have, and ik you arent saying for sure he's doing it, but i feel for the things he has said. edit: i take it back once i saw the anon dms hes tracing no doubt smh. sigh.

[@Emi_IsTired]

While I’m against ai, I don’t believe that it was worth a video tbh-they admitted and apologised,I think teaching them or advise them to learn it by themselves, especially since their first art is beautiful but not hate or anything. If he was denying it and making full on ai art, I get it but eh HOWEVER, he was tracing over other ppl’s art which I don’t agree w 10:44 Tbh I do this w the hair. If it’s hiding somewhere, I’ll make it bigger bc it’s easier, and I make the bottom of hair a diff colour for gradient

[@maboroshiiro]

I agree tbh

[@Mummelade]

They didn't really admit it. They said that they reference it for lighting only, which is a lie. Clearly they used to trace other people's artwork and then it was later shown that other AI generated images produce the exact same head shapes that they drew. They're not being truthful because they don't want the extent of how much they use AI to be out there.

[@Emi_IsTired]

@@Mummelade still, I don’t think a video was needed🗿

[@Mummelade]

@@Emi_IsTired I liked the conclusion and the (lack of) accountability the people this video's about was included. Katliente's uploads have the vibe of just documenting things happening in the art space, regardless of if they end good or bad, which is something I appreciate. I love reading all the receipts and I don't think that just because someone gives out a apology and takes accountability means that they shouldn't have had a video made on them.

[@Emi_IsTired]

@@Mummelade again, i don’t think it was necessary, that’s my view on it, that’s all >:/

[@jpeckdraws3932]

Sadly I bust my butt trying to improve only for ai to get more recognition smh this make anyone else sad or just me?

[@snazzybull]

The thing that gets the most with these Artists is that like. Those earlier examples from like 2022, those headshots and stuff that are clearly human made and rendered, they're really nice! I can see in those pieces this person was developing a unique style especially with how they render the eyes extremely softly, almost like they're done with watercolors! Why do these people feel like need to use AI to homogenize their art and contribute to the blatant theft and shit practices of genAI.

[@Hypnos_Sleep]

Dang here early! Love your work! You’re phenomenal at articulating your statements and making points that just hook me into watching all your videos, don’t stop! ❤

[@alonachiong666]

The girl drawings are definitely AI

[@flopcartman]

4:34 Isn’t this the same vtuber that qutar (the other ai tracer) made a commission? :0

[@batty-bites3185]

right off the bat, the first piece shown looks very much like roxo/roxoah's art style so if nothing else they seem to be very taking a lot of heavy reference from them? the drawing style looks similar but yea the rendering is VERY different and i HAVE seen people like improve skill quite quickly if they draw a lot a lot a lot for weeks or months but if those two red evening gown pieces were drawn in the same month, i'm kinda skeptical someone could get THAT GOOD at rendering THAT QUICKLY. i mean maybe it's possible but i've never seen it happen that fast the 'sketch proof' of the pink hair person in the doorway very does not look like someone who sketches without guidelines and are really knowledgeable of anatomy. it looks very much traced. people who tend to draw without doing guidelines first have like pretty messy sketches or at least not so super precise looking sketches like that one that's supposed to be proof. it's sus oh yea no they blocked after sketching it's traced LOL also note that before they didn't really know good boob anatomy (and that's fine it takes a while to learn how gravity and mass affects less solid objects like limbs and such) but after with the suspected pieces the boobs are done really well. like MAYBE they could've learned how to draw them better in a short amount of time but idk. added with everything else being sus i doubt it cos it doesn't seem legit at this point actually kat! kaycem has shown how do to that skull blocking type! i've practiced it a few times myself! people who can 'render' (quotes bc i don't believe this person did this all on their own) that well TYPICALLY don't draw an eye and go elsewhere and come back to the other eye. they will draw both one after the other/at the same time to compare them to each other so they look correct on the face. going AWAY from it might guarantee drawing it wrong. it's not unheard of (cos i will often skip around on things in my drawings if i get too frustrated to make something look the way i want, i gotta look at something else for a while and come back to focus on it again) but also it's very obvious i'm not as skilled as other people or even as this art looks. also the cascading hair strands on the right shoulder look VERY STRANGE and not like hair at all. looks like webbing and where is all that hair splitting from anyway? ur hair can only separate so many times before there's no hair left to separate? their excuse for using ai makes no sense. 'i felt less guilty using a machine that STEALS from artists to make my own art than using another artist's work to reference light' ALSO how does that make sense? i don't think u can 'reference lighting' by using other pieces for ur piece unless ur trying to draw the exact same thing. u either learn/know lighting or u don't? also how was ai helping with lighting ref when it notoriously lights things wrong?

[@_HanaPanda]

This makes me think of the people who want good quality art work RIGHT NOW without putting in the effort. Which is a shame. Their rendering is amazing. All they need to do is put that much effort into learning anatomy and perspective, and they wouldn't need to trace!

[@leohuxtable439]

It really doesn't matter, but the lighting is "correct". It's simplified and not very well executed, but you can map a single light source fairly easily (for the characters). In the christmas thingie it's top left behind the character. The shadow for the left leg should likely go further. The background is just randomly bashed or whatever. It uses an opposite light source from the character. You could create that scene with 2 tight angled directional light sources, but that's not really a thing in most apartments.

[@oxfordchroma]

I get the weird hands though. Sometimes I just want to sketch out a body for enjoyment, without having to look at references on the side. So I'll just sketch a chicken foot looking hand (or foot) to block it out and remind me to get to it later. When I have more energy and confidence, I'll go back when I have references in front of me.

[@chilljelloton2089]

i recently made a big hand error in my art without noticing. i drew the hand backwards in the sketch then in the actual drawing, it was digital so i erased it. i was being lazy though and didnt resketch it and literally just drew a hand, it took me about half a week to look back and notice the the thumb was waaay to big but also almost detatched from the hand. even then though every other detail didnt look sus, i think im safe from accusations.

[@OcarinaLink24]

Idk the sketch is one thing, but I have friends who were using different rendering styles back in 2010 just based on what they felt like doing in the moment. It looked a lot like those two pieces being compared.

[@phancanedoo013]

I have a *hot take* to make and i'm sure there are other places to put it, but they just don't come to mind, especially since i don't use Twitter. So i'll just leave it here without elaborating any further for potential discussion: Generative AI should be forbidden by law, straight up! It is hurting creators, has contributed nothing to our technological developments and only benefits those seeking to make a quick buck or gain a better reputation at the risk of being found out. That, and every argument to be made for gen-AI can be countered easily.

[@mk_gamíng0609]

You do know by banning it, wont stop it right? It will just send it underground and it make it easier for nefarious purposes Its why regulation is better Also Generative AI can make certain processes easier, AI should be a tool and by simply banning it, your stopping its exploration for useful purposes

[@HyliaFell]

What's hurting creators more are people making videos like this and dogpiling on them. Imagine you're some 12yo, 14yo whatever learning to draw and trying to figure out technical skills, which includes tracing - something every single artist has done at some point or another to learn - and then people like Katliente make these harassment campaigns against you. There are better ways to go about telling someone if something they're doing is wrong. This is NOT it.

[@Allyfyn]

​@@HyliaFellEven if someone were that age they should know better. Everyone on the internet who interacts with the art part knows you shouldn't post traced art.

[@THATBrokeAroSpecWallet]

​@@HyliaFell as someone who was 12 just a while ago, I never post my traces why tf would you do that- don't post ALL your pieces

[@mitch8275]

11:41 i don't know how can someone have a mindset of "tracing AI is less Guilty than someone else work" for learning tracing should be fine as long as you didn't seek profit from traced piece and AI is infamous about using who know the origin stuff to generate anyway not to mention inconsistency and error that would just lead you to learn the wrong way of how art work.

[@tvmqto6314]

Hey!!!! I was wondering if you could make a call out video on tiasketches! She uses AI and traces but no one believes that she does even though it’s so obvious. The speed paints and the “heavily referenced” art is killing me. Thank you very much

[@juliadesouza6674]

Just for the fact that we can see their art didn't improve a bit, they have some knowledge but gave up on improving that for AI

[@lythrum04]

8:21 i cut the box like that sometimes 😭

[@leedlelee6124]

“If you can hide it, hide it” NAH THAT’S FUNNY AND REAL! I hate hands so much lmao. I would stay just keeping them like the powerpuff girl hands 😂

[@Farbechaos]

The more videos i watch shows me i should never post my drawings if i ever get better. My proof would lock sus af. My layers are all over the place. With my last drawing, the last layer is 18 and the second last is 42. I switch between places while drawing. Or i draw something, im almost finished and delete all and start new with far less steps so on.. but still love the videos always fun to watch!1 (and ik just bc someone does these things doesn’t mean anything i just found it funny)

[@Cantatrix_ZX]

4:53 The butterflies are molding into the hair/horns (left) and what are those butterflies doing above her neck? and the strands of hair look weird on the bottom left

[@Soul-Shardstars]

Tip: some people trace ai and change it a bit so it won't always be that easy to find

[@mirukuuni_]

15:00 for this one, couldn't the light source be above her? (and a bit behind too)

[@abinnohr6497]

Even with speedpaints, AI can make those, too. It's honestly wild

[@zethesmade]

So definitely i think 3d dummy models is very useful for this issue instead referencing an ai arts

[@KAZUUUUMOM]

Okay we can really see him tracing the only way out for him is to show a full process from scratch but it's not really going ti help him since he traced from other Artists too But regarding for Using AI as reference or lighting Idea I'm not really against it as long your okay with having unrealistic effects or lighting source it's your art so do whatever you want as long you don't trace over it 🤷🏻‍♂️ Also there's alot of people who trying to make their art style like AI idk about this but as long you made it yourself idc. "I also made something similar to this where my client want to have a similar lighting from AI and kinda similar face i did make it because she's only using it for pfp anyway and even if she plan use it other than pfp I don't really care since i confident that i 100% percent made it myself and i have the full process"

[@pillyhere]

I use the video games I play as references, rdr2 has great lighting. lol

[@frickmehlife5407]

8:24 I often do a similar process to this, I sketch(concept) then do proper blocking / fix ups on anatomy

[@Beenus2622]

Im so glad i never touched ai pictures to post in socmed at least not the picture that is very trained ai (back then i search unhinged cursed AI image like scary formed spongebob, remember dalle(?) Few years ago? Thats for only the funny) The only AI you should use for art is idea prompt, using these if you dont know what subject to draw, you can generate ideas, but ofc that means not AI picture, i used this when i dont know what situation i should put my character in

[@markup6394]

There are hundreds and thousants of free (!) art tutorials on KZbin and elsewhere. Whatever the reason for this guy, I'm speachless at the profound lazyness of socalled "artists" on the internet. Instead of properly learning their craft (because its a f***ing CRAFT) they are lazy. They want quick results with the least amount of input. This alone... no thanks.

[@MabelButterfly]

We have ai speedpaint now💀💀💀💀

[@indigonerd]

If they had to trace in the first place, the likelihood is that they're still tracing the AI generated art, otherwise you would see a decline in quality for a period of time, while they were drawing without tracing and improving their own art. I'm 41, and as a teenager I traced. Not proud of it, but that was over 20 years ago and I've worked hard for the little piece of talent I have now. When I traced my "skill" level was higher. When I stopped tracing and started doing my own art, obviously my "skill" greatly declined, before slowly improving the more I drew. If we're not seeing that in this persons art, then they're probably still tracing.

[@sparkj0y]

I'm sorry but to me at 2:26 the composition looks VERY similar to the composition ai uses, I've seen so many pieces similar to it, even the way the character's back is arched and the moon with the background.

[@machinewithmakeup542]

Reaching this is very clearly hand drawn

[@X1Daring2]

It really ain't that hard to draw, there is so many toturals and yet these scammers just trace or use ai smh

[@Jammy_Jammy]

It’s extremely difficult No I do not condone AI But calling that journey “not that hard” is a bold faced lie Art takes years to even become intermediate

[@animerehab]

​@Jammy_Jammy i dont think its a lie. just because something takes time to improve doesnt change that. some folk can improve quickly and some dont. its a lot of factors that contribute to someones growth. whether its constantly and consistently drawing often or doing lots of studies. at the end of the day your art journey starts and dies by your choice on how you go about it

[@lucixae]

Calling art "not hard" is crazy to me. There are artists that wasted years and years to get to where they are now to just have someone say that drawing is not hard? Like you might learn faster than others but saying it's easy because there are tutorials is just wrong. Tutorials can't teach you everything. I'm not saying you're fully wrong but like, think before you say something?

[@jasontoddler43115]

@@Jammy_Jammy true

[@DaShikuXI]

@@lucixae Learning to draw well has never been easier in human history. From accessibility of materials, to an abundance of guidance, learning to draw well really is not hard. Becoming a top level artist who can make a living off of it is hard, but just learning to draw well is not.

[@Invisibli_ty]

I dont understand. whats the problem? he said it himself, he felt that tracing or taking heavy inspiration from other people felt guilty. so he resorted to tracing ai. also, just because his artstyle leans into semi realism doesent mean it had to have "realistic" lighting.

[@LaNoir.]

AI is fed by people's images so he still traces other people's shit. What he felt guilty for is that he got caught lol

[@K1nla]

4:32 There actually is a new software out where AI shows it's "progress" like a human artist, with the editing like a real artist. It's not perfect but can fool a person easy at first glance. Right now they work without showing a art program being used, so can still tell at least when it's for sure a humans work...for now. Look up Anything with , AI speed paint, in the title on youtube... so now Ai is getting worse guys.. trust is going down in the crapper fast and it sucks. I want to say "thank god I don't have a anime art style" but it's only a matter of time when western styles are stolen too for art. Actually no wait, I've seen it, forget what website I saw it from. Confused the heck out of me later finding out its a learning website for Ai to copy a style. sigh. I do think this artist is sus, I will say 7:55 I didn't learn to sketch "correctly" when it comes to my art, so I do sketch things out how I want it to look then do "blocking" after to make sure thing line up how I want them to (My mind doesn't understand how to visual things if I start with shapes first without features). I do things backwards like this to a point if something still doesn't look right I start to blob out shapes with color, I don't like showing my sketching steps because it's chaos, so it's a shame I'm going to have to start showing my sketching process someday if my work is ever questioned XD Also doesn't help I have like 5+ art styles I've been developing over the years, because I like to give clients options. hahaha I dug my own future grave not having one dominate style haven't I. 8:11 I do agree doing this as squares/rectangles is a bit odd, I've seen some artists do it though, I personally go with circles, and aren't these shapes normally done on male figures not females? Could be wrong. Edit: ALSO the logo on the top right 15:03 does clip studio speed paints normally have the logo up there? or was that edited on by the creator.

[@Kirei_yaksok]

I’m never going to drive

[@CutieePlayz]

Katliente am I allowed to trace over art to practice (I’m a beginner artist) but not say “I did this all by myself”

[@Annausagi2]

That level of rendering/anatomy (not perfect, but still) when they also give the character a 1 decimeter thick upper body during the blocking? Yeahno.

[@patrickspiekenheier4267]

The best reference for lighting is an allways will be reality! Look at photos not paintings or drawings

[@jpeckdraws3932]

To me it looks like ai and tracing

[@scarlett469]

AI is able to create an artificial art process, so a lot of sketching and refining can be done with the ai

[@ImpactronGaming]

I like their design : >

[@xcutedoll.1]

I didn't finish the video but i just wanna say, people can have more then one rendering style in my opinion.. i might be wrong, but idk... btw i'm talking about 5:00 - 5:11

[@sirprize275]

So you’re back to causing drama about vtubers? You learned nothing

[@har7649]

I actually need to go study - literally just watched 20 minutes of borderline NSFW content.

[@KasperNotTheGhost]

At 6:40 the piece on the left if you look at the hair the top two are duplicates of eachother and the one on the right side is curly and longer? All the other strands hanging are straight I don’t know but if you was drawing this why would you put effort into making a random curl? Overall very sus the boxes over the sketch is interesting and tiny head big chest tinyyyy arms Idk the anatomy of the shoulders and collarbones just does not match up with the rest but this might just be me looking too much into it gives me the heebiejeeebies xD

[@zinzolin14]

Seems like somebody who can't begin a piece without tracing off something else. The problem with AI is it'll generate very much the same kind of piece for multiple attempts. It's regurgitating art off a database after all.

[@HyliaFell]

Considering your track record with falsely accusing artists of using ai on pieces they're not and dragging a ton of unwanted drama to them, might I suggest you maybe focus on improving your own artwork before trying to make a career of stepping on other artists who actually care about their work? Even if this artist is making a very rough foundation using an ai piece, why do you care? How is that different from using a 3D model? A RL reference? Maybe they fed their original sketch into it and are using the outcome that "fixed the errors" to make the final piece? This behavior is so disgusting. I can't even begin to express how disappointed I am in you as a person AND as an artist, especially listening to someone with your level of art try to criticize another person's artwork. Maybe work on yourself and your own artwork before going after people like this. This is just harassment at this point.

[@k31un]

Though I dont condone use of AI generated images in anyway I can agree with you. Its so sad how many people are so quick to believe without looking at the original artist's twitter too

[@HyliaFell]

@@k31un Imo this kind of thing shouldn't even be "news". It's just isolating and targeting individuals who weren't even bothering anyone.

[@ahsaym4161]

0:36 the hair oddly is cut off by the eye

[@tessfabled4115]

So wait for that one pic, how do you know that the user didn't just feed the artist's piece art into an AI in order to generate the result said artist apparently traced? You'd have to have proof that the AI image predated the artist's work, no?

[@MAB1ASMML]

ai generated was already haunt me, in pin, twitter nor internet somehow i thought they're a real art😢 I WONDER why those AI images go soooo far that they look like real hand drawings, this fool me

[@vr_leeopia]

I'm asking only because I'm genuinely curious and to better protect myself from people that try to sell me AI art, would AI art recreate the same lighting style? Like the diagonal shadow line on both artwork, would that prove that someone used AI?

[@blairfujin]

it wouldn't be a dead giveaway because ai image generators tend to add such shadow because lots of artist whose works got scrapped and put into the generator's database would use a composition with such a shadow the thing with shading/ligthing common in ai generated images is that it's like this because that's the look of many bigger artists who have been taken advantage of

[@vr_leeopia]

@@blairfujin Thank you, I guess I'll just keep asking my artist friends to check if the art I'm buying is AI generated or not. I got scammed a few months ago for about 230 dollars and really don't want a repeat of that.

[@LaNoir.]

@@vr_leeopia just order from your artist friend maybe

[@vr_leeopia]

@@LaNoir. Sometimes she gets swamped with orders and I would love to look into different artists and art styles.

[@Darlene-jn5wy]

..... why are some peopol like this😢

[@Herocross64]

(3:10) Why is the hair Glowing like a Jellyfish?? (4:40) If this about the boob anatomy, I've studied both male and female type bodies and have done NSFW practice enough to say that the breasts are fine, now let's see the speed paint.

[@oriori9948]

Question is it bad to use AI as lighting reference?

[@anhduyyeh]

Using AI as references aint bad at all BUTT using it as a lighting reference is not a good idea, srs

[@maboroshiiro]

Using AI as lighting reference WILL make your art look like AI... it just looks bad and fake, don't do it it's not worth it..

[@Monsterbunnych]

Look at the hair and lineart… it’s obviously not reference

[@popololo-t2p]

I don't understand any of the things about art, so I just watched the vid, confused white testing Sketchbook Lite on my phone :3

[@machinewithmakeup542]

It absolutely looks handdrawn other then pink haired girlie

[@urgh3310]

it really annoys me that she draws like an absolute beginner, but pretends to understand how other people draw...

[@flopcartman]

I love Kat's content, but I agree with you, her art is not bad…But it’s not good either and she talks like she knows what is the right way to draw and that everyone draws the same 😭

[@DainsWife]

17:33 no offense but.... this is shit proof? They could have taken his art and used it in the ai. I'm not on anyone's side here but cmon.

[@matthiashickman5321]

I don’t think this is malicious

[@RoseMaker00]

Haven't we seen that girl with the tattoo on her belly once? I just dont remember the video but I know I've seen her already

[@dondondon1717]

you don't even do art. just a youtuber that wanna farm off the drama

[@MITTZdesu]

You are certainly pretty, but I think you need to make the camera window smaller, it blocks a lot of the view :ь By the way, those two pictures of girls are not only copied in terms of lighting, but their body shapes are also clearly copied

[@mirage4151]

the person may be sometimes really good at drawing hands because there's 3D models on CPS. Maybe for the bad hands it's just them without any 3D bases and no ref