YVYV: Debating Measure 118 - the proposed 'Oregon Rebate' measure that would give residents $1,600

[@RJGould]

What is the debate, it's stupid as hell!

[@RobertCrandall-ce8gv]

Very good to see both sides of 118. Remember, when we received stimulus checks, that was federal govt. 118 is a State initiative; so, yes I am guessing that the yearly check will be taxable, the amount of said check can be revised amended etc. No on 118 Bob

[@KEW1945]

I'm voting NO. But I'm not in Portland, Salem or Eugene who decides everything in Oregon. So I will expect it to pass..

[@sandradvergsdal3383]

I'm from Portland and I'm not voting for it. I'm also telling others not to vote for it. It is supported and financed by Californians so that is enough for me to know. It is a tax on "sales" ie a sales tax passed on to us, not a tax on the companies income. Let's talk to people all over the state t5vite against it. And it seems like we will have to pay taxes on it!!

[@erinrising2799]

17:02 Why would churches be weighing in on this? Like they aren't selling anything and as churches aren't taxed.

[@RikerLovesWorf]

That should tell you exactly what you need to know. Her mask slipped off for a second.

[@BrickByBrickBonding]

Because their members own businesses and afraid of being taxes more. The truth is only 4% of all businesses will incur the proposed increase on a current tax.

[@hosermandeusl2468]

I say NO - Grass Pants will just use it as an excuse to suck it out of my tax paying hands!

[@robertpaulson1058]

It will get amended. But for those of us who don't live in Portland, but have been paying taxes to support Portland. This could be our due. However, the measure will raise the cost across the board. I would prefer lowering state taxes and let portland take care of itself

[@KLADDKAKA1985]

You are very confused about where majority of the Oregon tax base is 😂

[@jonathanmitchell8698]

Cities are usually provide a disproportionate amount of tax revenue compared to suburbs and rural areas. In other words, net tax revenue flows out of cities and into the low-use infrastructure that maintains lower population-density areas. Look up the organization "Strong Towns" to find some nice graphics and data showing this. Of course, Portland is only one of a number of cities in Oregon, but I'm guessing it still does provide a disproportionate amount of tax revenue compared to the rest of the state (including rural and suburban areas).

[@debparks2692]

I still didn't hear who would be eligible for the rebate.

[@SteveJ-o3o]

Corporations will pay for it. Guess what ??? Then the corporations will raise their prices.. what a ding, dong...

[@RikerLovesWorf]

It never fully tracks the increases. The middle class always gets a better deal with these kinds of taxes.

[@TeeDee-j9u]

No sales tax!!

[@KLADDKAKA1985]

It's not that kind of sales tax. This is a good measure. Do you like it when corporations airlift profit out of our state?

[@sandradvergsdal3383]

​@@KLADDKAKA1985 It will be a sales tax because the businesses will pass it on to us!

[@KLADDKAKA1985]

@@sandradvergsdal3383 Not really, price gouging happens after that point (as we've seen this past year) and because it doesn't kick in until $25m in sales it'll encourage small business growth, but I've got other issues with it.

[@absolutely4151]

​@sandradvergsdal3383 NO, they won't. They haven't been the entire time. they're just saying that so we vote no!

[@MW97058]

People should vote for this as I believe it’s fair. I don’t think most people have any clue the amount of huge corporations in Oregon. Meta, LinkedIn, Google, Amazon….on and on.

[@Azazel2024]

People here are so stupid its incredible but your lack of economic intelligence stands out

[@4What21]

​@@Azazel2024yet you think workers should be underpaid whereas CEOs etc should be overpaid.....

[@barrysnow6993]

@@MW97058 ANY costs, including taxes, will be put upon the corporations will directly raise prices for consumers... That's how business works.

[@levimote]

Clearly this coverage was slanted in opposition of 118; from the opening graphics on. As someone who works in Eligibility it is extremely easy for us to determine how much any extra income costs a recipient in benefits when income is adjusted. Also 200 new DoR jobs would be great for those Oregonians! In the opposition's restaurant example, these owners could by their food from local growers and buy their supplies from local providers instead of huge corporations again keeping dollars in Oregon. In her example of grocery stores that are "just barely making it" this tax would not apply to them because they aren't generating 25 million dollars in revenue, This applies to the corporations that are taking advantage of us and prioritizing their shareholders. Every time we talk about taxing corporations, they try to scare us with talk of passing costs along. Maybe they could pay their shareholders a little bit less instead of passing those costs along. YES ON 118!

[@LC-sc3en]

This is all true. However, local grocery stores don’t spin up overnight. I would like to see a different version of this initiative with text that more explicitly states that the rebate comes from only the extra 3% charged and excludes certain types of companies. Such as companies that have thin margins without creative accounting that have their primary headquarters in Oregon. And a disqualification from exemption for 10 years should the company participate in a stock buy back. Additionally, it needs to be optional to receive so people who rely on staying super poor to get federal benefits that are worth more than their $1 raise could choose to take it or to bank it for their income tax next year. Heck they could even provide an option to donate yours to the OLB so they can afford to prosecute wage theft. Right now it sadly seems that the policy isn’t super clear and I don’t really trust the legislature to fix it. Given the job they did with 110 for the last few years. Whoever decided that “create more inpatient rehab beds” could me pay private companies for their existing beds should be ashamed of themselves. Speed at ending the rehab bed shortage was key to 110 working. But they didn’t and look at the backlash we ended up with.

[@BrickByBrickBonding]

Agreed! The opposition doesn't even acknowledge that in Deschutes county alone this measure will bring in over $333,000,000. That new revenue will help small business and individuals every year. For them to say that it will take away benefits is so disingenuous. This is additional tax on giant corporations. It will pay for itself adding new jobs and help every day Oregonians. Are they insinuating that they are the only ones who can create jobs? With more money in people's pockets more businesses can create more jobs. Those against this Measure either have something to lose or have been gaslit to believe it's bad for the state. Every study on a form of UBI has improved the lives and communities around them.

[@RikerLovesWorf]

Corporations over 25 million dollars are insanely profitable. They can afford to part with a few pennies to the workers who made that money for them.

[@elizabethalton4097]

No one in Oregon will ever vote for sales tax

[@marmac7619]

I agree! but listen to all of it, it is a 'sales tax' on large corporations making sales of over, i think $25 million?

[@Azazel2024]

@marmac. Wrong and trolls don't think ..be still

[@lastmanstanding5338]

You know they will in the big four.

[@RikerLovesWorf]

It’s a business sales tax, not a personal one.

[@TestHandlePleaseIgnore]

M118 is nothing more than a flat tax on sales and all Oregonians will be paying for it, not the businesses, though price increases.

[@absolutely4151]

It's .3 cents on every $1 over 25 million dollars 😂😂😂 Those companies will never pass on those "savings" if we don't vote for it, they have NEVER passed along anything so far and let me tell you a little secret...THEY NEVER WILL!!!

[@Firefenex1996]

I love how stacy came with numbers and papers. The No lady came with a laundry list of yapping and what ifs.

[@jadenwracing8176]

Good point! That really help sway me near the end

[@Luvbonne]

What's the Debate ..?? Only 3-4 % of Oregon Business will pay this ... Average taxpayers will benefit HUGE & spend this on Vital Needs for their Household budgets ... Big out of state corporations will pay More of their Fair Share ... Don't let Big Corporations Scare you with their Rhetoric Vote Yes on 118 ...

[@dingdang3845]

I’m voting No even though I’m someone who would vote yes. It’s too lose, and what large company wants to invest here if they lose 3% before profit. On a more human end my rent will go up because families will want to live here. lol Our Rent Sucks already 😂😂💯

[@KLADDKAKA1985]

What a silly thing to comment. The $1,600 will be spent on products and energize the market instead of being airlifted out of the state and hoarded by people who are already rich. You're simping for corporations.

[@dingdang3845]

@@KLADDKAKA1985 it’s not silly, I am a paycheck to paycheck person, I just work in a warehouse. I just think 118 was just thrown together and not thought through. As it stands what we’re voting for doesn’t even have any guarantees lol. Literally, it’s just something that can be altered after we vote yes and we have No say afterwards. Do your research before you give an opinion, I did.

[@KLADDKAKA1985]

Yeah, sorry for calling your comment silly. That was a bit much. It's not a perfect bill, but we desperately need more public funding and I'm sick of the tax burden falling fully on us. 3% isn't a whole lot unless you're Walmart, target or Fred Meyer, and they'll gouge us either way as we've seen the last year. I wouldn't mind if all $1600 was shifted to public housing and healthcare projects, but we need to elect good labor focused politicians for that. I don't think making Oregon less attractive to people is a good way to solve the housing crisis

[@dingdang3845]

@@KLADDKAKA1985 right on! I think we ultimately agree. I get why you would say that my comment is silly though. I believe in growing our community from the ground up, not trickle down economics, tax breaks for the wealthiest has never made anyone but the rich better off. So I do believe in the concept of measure 118, I just think it was quickly put together and it should be worked through more before we just say yes and hope our state is able to implement it properly.

[@KLADDKAKA1985]

@@dingdang3845 That's true. It sucks that it might take money out of the general fund and give $1600 to people that don't need it. I'm hoping for a unionized labor wave in the next decade, but if that doesn't happen this measure could be corrupted real bad 😔 Keep voting, keep unionizing. A brighter future is bigger than individual ballot measures :)

[@AxionSmurf]

This will result in massive increases in everyday goods due to the tax being present at multiple stages of the production processes. Food prices are expected to rise 11 percent if this passes.

[@Azazel2024]

They already skyrocketed

[@4What21]

How sad when the rich don't get what's not theirs, they hike up prices. Maybe you all should treat that as what it is, extortion

[@sandradvergsdal3383]

​@@Azazel2024So how does this help? We will pay even more.

[@MA-ie6hl]

Smart money left Oregon a long time ago.

[@timothycouto7093]

iza donts undastand dat i gets so stupid wen i votes

[@philjohnson2611]

I'm really hoping that anyone supporting this is not really serious. Do you people with common sense REALLY believe that companies are not going to make up their loses with higher prices, reduced service(s), and higher unemployment? This basically rewards the free loaders and lazy people who don't want to work. With so many companies screaming for workers the excuse of "I can't find a job" is total BS. This is just another way to implement a "sales tax" without calling it a sales tax. But then if the hyena gets into office, it's irrelevant anyway as she and her like will totally destroy the county (more than they already have!)!!

[@jonathanmitchell8698]

I'm curious - what do you think of Trump's tariffs on all imported goods?

[@barrysnow6993]

You'll be rate hiked into double the costs on goods & services... Don't fall for the boondoggle. That democrat lies like all the rest of them...

[@LC-sc3en]

Since when have companies ever passed a tax cut onto consumers in the form of lower prices. Oregon cut the corporate tax back in 2019 and haven’t raised it since. And yet all I see are price increases from there. It’s the same old story. How thin do you think the margins on the taxible income above 25M are for these companies? Because it is only 3% additional tax on the 25th million dollar and up. Everything below that gets taxed at 7.6% as usual. Which is lower than someone making only $20,400.00 a year. But here you are arguing “won’t someone think of the corporations and how they are just struggling to get by”

[@LC-sc3en]

That said, I do think there should be exceptions for companies with razor thin profit margins so long as they didn’t do any creative accounting, stock buy backs, or insane pay schemes to get to a thin margin.

[@barrysnow6993]

@@LC-sc3en that's still communism/socialism... And a sales tax. Corporations will never lose money, any kind of tax, will be put back upon the consumer... That's just business. What will lower costs is cheaper energy, but with the green boondoggle in full force, so that makes it tougher, while the US sits on the largest oil reserves in the world in Montana & the Dakotas and they stopped drilling.

[@BrickByBrickBonding]

@@barrysnow6993 The statement, "that's just business" is just like the saying "boys will be boys" and alloy bullying and abuse to continue. It's the same argument. When will we say enough is enough. I'm done with all this gaslighting.

[@SteveJ-o3o]

Oregonians need to have higher standards for themselves. Get educated, get into a trade. There are opportunities out there. Hard work pays off ! Free handouts do not !

[@4What21]

Why are we paying to learn trades? Why are we paying to work when CEOs don't do much of anything and get as much as they want? They'd be nothing without their workers, so pay up for work, not charge, otherwise put this money into free trade skill lessons. Or just keep complaining because people are sick of paying to work on top of everything else.

[@BrickByBrickBonding]

@@4What21 Thank you! Pay for college, pay to improve your skills to get a better job. Where are these better paying jobs I wonder?

[@tavroaar8173]

Not everyone wants to work in a trade and not everyone is meant for that! This is not the 1880s!

[@calebdorrance8544]

I can’t wait for my $1600. If y’all don’t want it, send your check to me.

[@barrysnow6993]

You may get $1600, but you'll pay $2000 minimum in increases in goods... Corporations never lose or they close, it's always passed on to the consumer, you & I ...

[@MW97058]

@@barrysnow6993really? Think again. This would be an equalizer and could help people survive huge increases in energy costs brought on by huge tech companies.

[@barrysnow6993]

@@MW97058 you don't understand how business works... The corporation will always raise prices to compensate for monetary policy... That measure is socialism thru taxation. Businesses will leave before being extorted into bankruptcy, just look at California, everyone is leaving.

[@s-a-p-ek7976]

You are stupid.

[@tavroaar8173]

I’m voting yes ! Pay your fair share!

[@Ampwich]

What the hell is fair about it?

[@marmac7619]

BTW, i didn't catch the names of the ORGS that are behind each position? EG, are the "Anti-M118" Folks working for say, Comcash? or are the Pro-M118 Folks working for say, The Accounting Firm of Hoot & Holla? ... Overall, when in doubt or don't have all the answers i need, i tend to opt for the status quo, yucky tho it may be.

[@Azazel2024]

Why do you need to know, trash? So you can threaten them?

[@BrickByBrickBonding]

Please reconsider. Measure 118 was crafted by everyday Oregonians concerned about their fellow neighbors struggling to make ends meet. This one measure will help 44% of all Oregonians. The opposition is from businesses who are afraid of paying more. Keep that in mind when deciding.

[@marmac7619]

@@BrickByBrickBonding- You know, the more i have noticed that ONLY anti-118 Ads are being aired & how much $$$ those must be costing & what with who has that kind of $$$ ... suffice, i am seriously reconsidering & might just VOTE YES on this one, afterall?!

[@ricardodsavant2965]

NO. 👎🏾

[@benicia21]

respectfully - there are too many emotions in Oregon politics. the fairer sec may consider stepping to the side sometimes thought can flourish again