Katy Faust EXPOSES the Dark Side of IVF and Surrogacy | The Lila Rose Podcast E39

[@mumoffour6860]

I love the power of her voice and the truth that most of us don’t even dare to think right now! This lady is worthy of honour and respect!

[@bygrace8485]

Surrogacy isn’t good for the surrogate mother either.

[@boglarka_d]

I can’t imagine the emptiness the surrogate mother must feel after the baby she carried in her womb for nine months is taken away from her. 😣 dealing with all the hardships of the postpartum period, the physical healing process, without the joy of your baby’s presence. she’s left with the pain and loneliness.

[@Highlyguided40]

yeah, the surrogate mothers that have done this multiple and multiple times for money is the same as a woman having multiple abortions sees life as disposable and viewing lives as means to an end also emotional traumas like lack of empathy, psychosis etc...@@boglarka_d

[@kaylawarren405]

I can’t express how much I enjoyed this podcast, I knew something was evil about this industry of baby making but I honestly never did enough research to justify what I felt I believe this has opened my eyes to the reality of what’s happening. God bless you both, this definitely made me cry a few times and my desire by God’s Grace is to do my part!

[@newjerseylion4804]

I do have to point that bodily autonomy does entail what you get to do with your uterus which also involves rent it out.

[@pavlinakom]

Could you provide data, about the health risks of children conceived through IVF, please?

[@Purestgold789]

Want this too as an IVFer

[@rosariobautista9278]

Excellent topic ! 👏 that the world needs to knoooww! Especially the governments

[@karynbray1004]

Fabulous pod cast. I’ve listened to it twice already trying to take it all in. When I delivered my son (conceived naturally) and said “hi baby” when they brought him to my chest, he looked at me instantly and just stared at me as if to say “I know you”! Happy to say I’m still married to his father. He is now 20 years old and he is one fantastic and well adjusted “child”. I think our family is becoming less and less the norm and I feel empathy for all the brokenness in families.

[@LilaRosePodcast]

That's beautiful! Thanks for listening.

[@Highlyguided40]

third time listening to this episode

[@poetryofmath]

This is incredible. I have felt this way for years about IVF, surrogacy, adoption and people have told me I was crazy and an extremists. It's great to feel that others are now talking about this topic. Bless you for raising your voice to this.

[@katie8325]

You are crazy. Just because other awful people feel the same doesn’t validate it.

[@rachelbanana5805]

As a child who was adopted at birth, I struggled with not knowing where I was from. I love my adoptive parents with all of my heart, but I have always longed to know where I come from. I got to find out just recently about my birth father and it was so strange seeing his picture and talking to his family and having them say “did you get the elephant ears?”. Why yes. Yes I did. It was my biggest insecurity as a teenager, but knowing that it was just because of my family made me really happy. I wish I had gotten to meet my birth father, and I still have hope that I will get to meet and know my birth mother one day.

[@MamaRobynR]

I too was adopted as a baby only a few months old. I always knew I was adopted. But i didn’t get the picture perfect experience with my adoptive parents. They should have absolutely never been allowed to parent a child. I won’t go into all that mess but they had major mental health problems, diagnosis (which came well after my adoption), they were abusive both emotionally, mentally and physically at times. They viewed adopting me as a favor to me, and I was purchased property who now owed them my full devotion for life, and my life was not my own, it was there’s and i better get in board. This lasted well into adulthood w/ the control and abuse. My mom physically attacked me when I was around 30, and she’d been doing so my entire life and something in me snapped and I defended myself for the first time ever against her. So anyway I too have longed to know who my biological parents were, mainly my mom. I’ve craved (still deeply do) to know what a normal functioning love from a mother feels like. I have my own kids now, well tgey are almost adults now but having them saved my life, but also brought on huge emotions about my adoption and childhood. And i have almost no information on my bio parents. No names or photos. And I found out through a older relative that my parents had all this information the whole time and chose to not only hide it from me, but refuse to share it even today (and I’m 40 yr old!!) I only know the state I was born in and I had a teen mom n dad who were just graduating high school around my birth. I just love hearing others adoption experiences as it’s so rare to find adults my age who were adopted. Thank you for sharing!!!!! ❤

[@annat6249]

Did you have great adoptive parents? I feel current society in US have become too selfish. People do things like generic treating not for health reasons but want to know are they European/hisbanic/asian, etc.. Does it really matter? They are who they are. People tend to be mixture of multiples group. They can save that money and do something more realistic like feeding hungry children. What I am saying is if you have a great adoptive parents and life, does knowing your real parents matter? They were never a part of your life and they have given you up. Same genetic does not mean love.

[@mmrllmonta]

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[@Taylor-bee]

This was heavy, I had never considered some of these things. Really important conversation 🙏

[@elitzacraig9806]

My heart is broken for the world. This was helpful even understanding my own story as an adoptee. Thank you for exposing the darkness!

[@youtubeKathy]

I have been wanting someone to interview her for a couple years now. this is great first hand information. There is no way the studies are proof that same sex parents are as good or even better than a mother and father. We see first hand how many of these kids are not ok.

[@nataliejune84]

It's not ideal but having a narcisistic mom and drunk dad is worse. Perfect scenario is the perfect MOM and Dad which is getting more and more rare. I think it has to do with personality and the fact that marriage is taken so lightly. It seems like people think that if they have to work on their marriage and if they fight that means they have a bad marriage and should get a divorce. Marriage is hard. My grandparents were married over 60 years and died within 1 year of each other. They said that the secret to marriage is 100 and 100 its not 50 50 like most people think. What you do is give 100% of the 100% you have to give 100% of the time. Sometimes your 100% equals your spouse giving 60% and give versa. It's not always the same but it always equals out. The put God first, then their marriage and then their kids.

[@boglarka_d]

my heart is aching so bad. if only I could gather all these precious lives that are laying on ice as “secondary products” and put them in my womb and give them a chance to be born 😫 God come and save us 💔

[@rachelford5313]

I know couples who adopted embryos through IVF. It is an option out there.

[@hiitsbree4610]

So all woman who are choosing not to get pregnant by either being on birth control and who have a husband who is " fixed" are they being selfish by choosing not to have those children.

[@taylorp6643]

That's still 3rd party reproduction though. So by this logic that would only result the same way. It's not that the adoptive/ surrogate parents are bad, it's that they aren't biologically related.

[@boglarka_d]

I’d happily be the third party if I get to give them a chance to be born and raise them in a loving family together with my husband. Third party is wrong when the woman walks away from baby for cash. Being related by blood is a wonderful mistery from God, it has a purpose, but at the end of the day we all are the children of one holy Father, and this relation outshines every other earthy relations. „And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.“ Matthew 18,5

[@sarahshields2763]

This is so eye opening. I always have had an uneasy feeling with IVF and surrogacy. But I figured it was my inability to adapt and be accepting. This makes me realize it was The Holy Spirit trying to tell me that it isn't and will never be right. It makes me 100% feel we are truly living in the last days. Thank you for such an eye opening video. I will be sharing this with as many people possible, in the most gentle way.

[@jessicalinde8558]

I'm only half way through this video, but I'm already crying. I'm the child of a single mother who chose to have me via IVF using both egg donation and sperm donation, because she so desperately wanted a child. Yes, I'm grateful to God to be alive, for the life that He has allowed me to lead, and for the beautiful relationships I have with the people around me, but oh gosh I almost feel sick knowing that I was conceived in this way. And this feeling is compounded by the fact that I know my mother had several unsuccessful rounds of IVF before she finally got pregnant with me. Please tell me, how I can feel better about my conception and my existence? 😣

[@hazeljordan1797]

I am so sorry. Your existence is good, even with the circumstances of your conception. There are many people who have been born in less-than-ideal circumstances, and it's not their fault at all. Our parents make choices that are wrong, but we have a God who chooses to bring a greater good out of evil--your life to be a sign of His goodness. And that's evident already with what you've said about your life and relationships.

[@lynnlee8194]

None of those choices were yours, and you are not in anyway responsible for them. None of us can control the circumstances we are born into and who we are born to. God doesn't worry about those things either and neither should you. Your existence is still a gift to your mother and those around you.

[@simplymariama]

I cannot imagine how you must feel, but remember that you and by extension everyone else has no control over the circumstances they find themselves in at birth. All you can do is move forward and choose who you hope to become.

[@mewster1818]

You are special and worthy of life, and no matter how you were conceived, that doesn't change your value or worth! God clearly has a purpose for you, and it sounds like you've opened your heart to Him. Let Him guide you and heal you, and remember that He loves you no differently than any other person.

[@natnat8199]

I’m sure your mother loved you and cared for you well (obviously, I’m assuming and wouldn’t know), but do you feel like you were deprived of a father and the natural family structure?

[@NeilGoodJr]

consider making an informative video explaining all the ways an embryo may die in the IVF process, similar to your abortion procedure vidoes

[@MilieC25]

Thank you for exposing how exploitative the surrogacy industry is. I always criticized it from the women’s perspective, but it’s illuminating to see it from children’s rights angle. During my current pregnancy and previous one (2021), I’ve been receiving lots of advertisements from surrogacy companies on social media. It’s disgusting! With so much money spent on marketing, we could infer that they are very profitable.

[@Anonymous-tm7rj]

I'm in biotech. This is completely correct. You can do with people with IVF what we already do with dogs and cats.

[@itzesmi]

I realize that this concept is so difficult for many pro choice activists to understand because you need to have them understand the idea of two people who are loving and caring to want to conceive a child and love it from its conception until birth and so forth. They don’t grasp the idea because they haven’t really experienced that love ❤️

[@TobNessa]

I experienced infertility at the beginning of my marriage and really struggled with venturing into the realm of IVF. I just couldn’t wrap my head around making embryos and potentially having to decide whether or not to destroy them. after 3 years of infertility we finally were able to conceive and now have 4 beautiful children. I have family and friends who have gone through the process and have beautiful loving families. The heartache of infertility is overwhelming having experienced it myself. But I wonder if it were approached with more information like this how many people would actually opt to go through with IVF.

[@loredanab]

❤may God bless you 🙏🏻this give me so much hope as my husband and I are also trying to conceive for 2,6 years now and my heart just says no to IVF even IUI …. I just want to trust God and to see your testimony it is beautiful 🙏🏻thank you so much

[@robertalust5466]

You know I see your point…it’s something kind intuitively immoral about it… But some parents don’t have a choice..you can be denied an adoption for a managed health issue…like mental health issues..that are well managed b/c of the stigmatization or chronic conditions that can again we very well managed with medication, and lifestyle Even if everything else is in place.. What are loving, financially stable..hard working potential parents supposed to do then?

[@avneetisabellahimebaugh9366]

God bless you and what a beautiful blessing to have children. Having multiple viable embryos isn’t that common. We only had one full blastocyst and I’m blessed to be carrying my husband’s lineage within my womb now. But you are right I was worried sick about having to possibly destroy or donate our embryos if we had ended up with more. It would have torn me apart to make that decision but God is good to us and we only had one and that one is God’s miracle ❤

[@TobNessa]

@@robertalust5466I don’t have the answer to that. I just feel that we need to have these conversations, give as much information as possible and make these choices with serious contemplation and serious prayer. I feel like IVF is so common that not much thought goes into the decision. I would never tell anyone they couldn’t have a family through IVF. I have seen first hand the blessing that it is. I just hope those who choose it, make the choice full informed. That’s all I’m saying. God bless you ❤️

[@TobNessa]

@@avneetisabellahimebaugh9366congratulations ❤🎉 children are the greatest gift from God we can recieve! God is so Good!

[@nickca6104]

Being abandoned by your parents must lead to so much insecurity for children. Imagine how they must feel. They must feel like they are unworthy of love.

[@emagenie]

Thank you Lila for choosing this topic which is a dirty secret that we all participate in..as a younger woman, I often did think of freezing my eggs but never got around to .. now as an older single woman teetering on the edges of my fertility , I am longing to fulfill my maternal instincts to have a child and I want to adopt . God may yet send a man my way to provide a safe home for my future adopted child . But how ideal would that be for the child ? and what if I just don't find a man ever ? how will I mend the wound of an adopted child who doesn't have a father ? I myself grew up with 2 parents but my father's absence adversely impacted me and it has taken all these years to begin to acknowledge them and heal them..wouldn't I be perpetuating my own pain to my child ? Just venting . .

[@emilywiebe8495]

Lila, I love your podcast and admire your work! This podcast episode was enjoyable yet sobering. Thank you to you and your guest for shedding light on the issue of children’s rights and trafficking.

[@LilaRosePodcast]

Thank you so much ❤

[@alisonjones4881]

I live in South Wales, in Britain, and really want to thank you wonderful ladies for doing all you can to bring attention to these issues. I think Katy is doing the most brilliant work, I have her book "Them Before Us" and have spoken out about it (in a small way) in the community where I live. It's amazing how it is a subject that is largely ignored - when it actually is, I believe, as important in our day and age as slavery was when it was at its height. This abuse and use of children is a humanitarian scandal and needs to be shouted from the roof tops!

[@tanjasmit7535]

Hard to watch video but very insightful. I was born in a marriage, but my parents got divorced. My mom hated my father....long story, he signed off on me. I looked him up when I was sixteen only heard bad and horrible things about him. He was a flawed but also great human being. My mom HATED me for that because of all her insecurity and wrote ME off... we've had no contact for 12 years.... becoming an adult and growing in maturity is SO important. Thank for the video 🇿🇦

[@kellymariejaramillo]

Great podcast! I learned so much. I absolutely agree the fight is for child rights. Right to life, right to conception, right to parents.

[@katiaray3516]

A child should have the right to be conceived in love, naturally? Do these ladies live in the real world? Can you tell by looking and examining two people who was born through ‘natural’ conception, delivery and who was born from IVF/c-section? How do you define ‘natural’ then if the outcome is exactly the same? A human life. You have no idea what is God’s plan for humanity, why it allows so many people to be born outside of love, wedlock, in poverty, traumatising situations, abuse etc. really sad to see so much pride and judgement here, such a one-sided approach, anything but Christian!

[@AmeliaUnleashed]

Question: What are your thoughts on parents who adopt an embryo and through IVF implant into the new mothers womb? What is the future of IVF from a redeeming perspective? Is it adoption of abandoned embryos? Interested to hear your thoughts!

[@catherinenewton3850]

I’m wondering the same thing.

[@LilaRosePodcast]

It's a beautiful and noble desire to want adopt these children and help them live. It's still very problematic and morally fraught for how to do this

[@lisabeck6264]

Perfectly put Lila!

[@laurasilvas7013]

That doesn't really answer the question of what to do with leftover embryos.

[@pavlinakom]

I was thinking about it also. My specialized in IVF doctor told me.that the..."carrier" mother actually gives to the child a 20-30 % of its whole dna.....It is more than.adoption❤. I feel that in the years to come they will find out that the carrier mother interacts dnawise with the adopted embryo even.more....

[@elsa_nyc]

Actually, most civilized countries have a children's bill of rights. Us 🇺🇸 doesn't.

[@brandywineblue]

Why do they not simply acknowledge children as human in the first place?

[@bellla333]

bc child trafficking makes the US the most money 🤫

[@melindahagelsieb3634]

I didn't know that. Thank you for sharing.

[@misspiscesdreamz]

This is very interesting and refreshing to hear! I've read in an article before and i believe Jordan peterson spoke on the fact that children will thrive with their parents being together even if the relationship is "toxic".

[@mollyrose5132]

This was a great podcast- I learned a lot and can’t wait to read her book!

[@rosey525]

I really think the only thing that will stop this madness is these babies growing up, coming of age, and suing Big Fertility. Money talks in a way nothing else does.

[@jennybrandt5079]

Thank you so much for this podcast! Katy Faust is so well articulated on this subject. God’s children are not for sale.

[@Purestgold789]

I agree with most of what you are saying but about IVF.. I believe God gave me a beautiful daughter(thru IVF). That's because life is God's. For those who go through infertility I mean for married man and woman IVF is a silver lining and hope. My baby is loved by biological father and mother. And I have one more frozen embryo to plant as soon as possible. Not all the IVF is wrong and immoral. It may hurt some Christian IVFer.

[@antonyxavier7468]

I am shocked! Thank you for bringing on guests that powerfully articulate the less talked about issues like IVF. May God bless you both.

[@backup5610]

I am so glad to hear a person speaking of these unborn and newly born children’s right. And I personally see surrogacy as a wrong thing, you can’t force birth to happen because a person wants a child.

[@MissHolliday3110]

I would love to hear about embryo adoption/donation and what your stance is on this. It's a side effect of IVF. Do the same issues apply in that instance or is it a thin gray line between the healing of adoption and the hurt caused by having your life monetized?

[@rosecampion4337]

God ordains life, not us. Obedience and fear of the Lord are gone.

[@yeetnama9094]

This has opened such a dangerous door for eugenics and millitary engineering human super soldiers, in essence.

[@nickca6104]

I was an IVF baby. I’ve had a lot of developmental problems growing up. I’m grateful to be alive, but my life was so miserable until I found God. But not all IVF babies will be able to find God.

[@kiamccoy7372]

I love that she said the Pro Life world needs to start fighting on both fronts. Abortion and IVF/Surrogacy. It’s so easy to demonize abortion, but pretend the other is okay. This is really good information. I learned so much!

[@D.dot.]

But the pro life world is not fighting for mothers. Maternal deaths in the U.S. more than doubled in the last two decades. So what are pro lifers doing about this?

[@hiitsbree4610]

IVF and surrogacy are not on the same level as abortion

[@J.J.V]

​@@hiitsbree4610they don't need to be on the same level to both be wrong

[@hiitsbree4610]

@@J.J.V IVF and Surrogacy is not wrong. If your certain sect of your religion says its wrong, ok. But not all religions and sects of christianity, judaism, islam have that opinion.

[@J.J.V]

@@hiitsbree4610 they are categorically wrong because they divorce the procreative and unitive aspects of sex, thereby dehumanizing and instrumentalizing it. It's convenient to try to sweep that up into the "religious sect" corner and try to ignore it, but in fact countless moral philosophers and bioethicists have reached the same conclusion. I'll be taking their scholarship over your opinion on this one ✌️

[@NiccoloGiuliano3]

I’m a huge fan of ur content and I’m currently going to college at Benedictine College and I’ve been amazed at the level of intelligence u put into these debates and as a Catholic Im so happy despite our faith being scrutinized so much and this makes me excited to be a father to help the world be a better place so thank you so much and May God Bless you. :)

[@LilaRosePodcast]

Thank you so much! Benedictine is awesome!

[@lisa-mm5416]

There is such a power in this message and I am grateful to have come across this as a person who herself has felt compelled to voice out the point of view of children. We can no longer afford to be silent as a society 🙏🏾

[@Highlyguided40]

This is great conversation, I’ve listened repeatedly this episode. I’m only wishing now that you guys mention celebrities and wealthy people feel this is the message to spread in order to get children. Most of the famous ones are having twins and freezing a huge number of embryos to get what they want , it’s unnatural They are driving this force to others and people don’t see this is a designer on demand process for child selection along with the right price, for their own vanity of not wanting to suffer or experience pregnancy symptoms, privileged people…This is purchasing humans, sick sick sick. IVF is everywhere and seems to be trending, those that are in media, Hollywood, journalists, they are all having children this way and replacing God. Where is the love between man and woman in love creating love? Science is trying to replace God.

[@mariellahill9394]

I never saw it from this point of view. It never crossed my mind to ask what IVF does to an embryo! I almost can’t believe it never crossed my mind to question the process and learning all these facts have quite literally blown my mind. I also feel sorrow for the way our world is handling fertility issues- calling what’s evil good and what’s good evil. Thank you for educating me with the Truth of God’s Word, for clarification of such complex subject and for your courage.

[@cma9695]

This was a much needed interview, thank you so much for tackling this topic. My husband and Iwent through years of infertility and drs tried to convince us to do IVF and we resisted on moral grounds. Drs working in the fertility space had no regard for human life or ethics of the sanctity of life. I find them lazy, apathetic and unwillling to diagnose why my husband and i had infertility. It was a reflection on the medical system that has become so commercialised that actual medicine isn't given a look in. In the end, we conceived NATURALLY and have had 2 healthy and beautiful children. The drs working in the fertility field only concentrate on IVF and nothing else so we were failed by them. They have a lot to answer for.

[@avalauren4731]

19:50 there is also common sense logic to assume a gay couple who are actively seeking out adoption and are approved for it, have their life together in a way random straight couple getting knocked up likely don’t.

[@lucygoose6237]

Losing my Mother at 14, then suffering the mental, emotional, and neglect abuse from my Dad and step Mom, was devastating. Some step parents are great, but I believe they are the exception.

[@IlluminosaImmortalis]

She lives near me and that makes me feel special 🤪 Grest conversation!

[@bcjammer87]

These are obviously positions held by people not affected by infertility. Happened to my wife and I so we conceived our son via IVF and now have a 2nd one on the way. We are Christians and did consider adoption but there’s nothing in the Bible that forbids reproductive assistance. We wanted our own so we started IVF and it worked for us. We do plan to use all our embryos.

[@quarteralien]

Asking children to sacrifice for adults. Just wondering, where did you stand on the covid response? Forcing kids out of school, forcing them to cover their faces with useless masks to make adults feel more comfortable, forcing them to be vaccinated for the comfort of adults at their own peril. My point is we now have a culture that does not value children, and I'm totally on board with the harms of surrogacy. But this came to a head for every single child alive in 2020, not just those who were the product of reproductive technology. It's all a pro life issue.

[@amandanarvaez2498]

Mother of the Most Precious Blood, save the children of the world. Amen. Jesus protect and save the unborn. Amen

[@nxvsd58]

This helped me see my own childhood in a new perspective

[@GothicGali]

Does the same suffering happen in children in gestational surrogacy? That’s when the baby is not related to the surrogate, but is related to the intended mother and father, and given to them after birth.

[@r.m5883]

We are still so far behind on Children rights… I think we will look back on this time and be appalled

[@LilaRosePodcast]

I agree

[@rebeccar7059]

Lila, thank you, thank you for pointing out that children deserve to be conceived through the marital embrace of the child’s mother and father. If this singular right of the child were protected, so much harm would not be allowed to take place.

[@rosariobautista9278]

Woooow😢😢😢 nothing justified breaking child rights

[@chanceweller3233]

i though ivf was used for women who are infertile ?

[@lizzylizzy93]

I wish they wouldve talked about the dangers of embryo adoption and how it carries similar problems to surrogacy.

[@oshitaiya3651]

I never thought of IVF and surrogacy from the child’s perspective so thank you for talking about this. It was a great listen 👍🏽

[@johnglennmercury7]

0:15:30 & what's the political leading of almost all social "scientists"?

[@sadieesther9721]

More likely to die in an IVF clinic than by abortion 🤯 I don’t even want the hospital to take my placenta! I can’t imagine going thru IVF

[@SasukeDidNothingWrong]

What about a lesbian couple where one woman is impregnated with her partners egg? Because women don’t just carry babies, they build them. There is a cell-transfer (fetal-maternal microchimerism) between the mother and child. So couldn’t you argue the child IS biologically related to both then? (I’m genuinely curious!!)

[@purposefilled-forever]

Where did the sperm come from in the above scenario?

[@LilaRosePodcast]

The child is still being (by design) deprived of their biological father and a social father.

[@laurenhathaway496]

They talked about this in the video. The child is going to always wonder who their dad is and there will be a void

[@yourgirlshani]

This is a much needed conversation. Thank you.

[@avalauren4731]

Also can this woman cite a specific study she has a problem with? There have been large comprehensive studies done on gay parents.

[@cargopilotguy305]

Performed and funded by who?

[@maggieeadkins]

This was great!!

[@misssara9913]

Went to watch Shane’s video after this because I had no idea about him. My stomach is in knots, God protect those innocent babies. Children are not pets!!!!

[@dvbibbs192]

Hey Lila, you mentioned you want a third kid. Why don't you just adopt?

[@mkzamel]

If you don't like IVF.....don't do it

[@hiitsbree4610]

👏

[@sarahshields2763]

People used to say "if you don't like slavery, don't own a slave." So there obviously should be laws protecting various groups of people. Not everything is as simple as "if you don't like it, don't do it."

[@cargopilotguy305]

If you don’t like murder, don’t do it. But don’t try to take away my right to kill

[@kiamccoy7372]

This is incredible information!

[@ashleysettle5492]

I ask this lovingly as someone who does care about children, what can we say to the prochoicers who ask about the sacrfise children are forced to make if thiwler parents cannot afford a healthy lifestyle? If childern arent supposed to sacrifise, we are doing something gravely wrong in our society.

[@thembeforeus9515]

The pro-abortion argument that being killed is better than being born poor, etc? Suffering is a part of the human experience. Every human will suffer in one way or another, it is not a good argument to say "a human suffering means that human should not live." Let's fix the problems that cause children to suffer without killing the child.

[@celestialmorpho]

33:49 Genealogical Bewilderment. 34:10 When adult choose it. Outside of natural loss or adoption. 35:28 Inflicting wounds vs mending wounds 46:59 how adoption supports children's rights

[@connorissa961]

Thank you!!!! Yes, no one is entitled to have children. And anyone who doesn’t agree, I would say, ask yourself what happens to the children of heroin addicts. Oh, yeah, the government takes them away. Because having children is a wonderful PRIVILEGE. Not a right.

[@erictripton]

Thank, God there are powerful women out there. Thanks, Lila. Glad I joined your Subbase. Leftist nonsense needs to stop. We men are hard wired to battle these things, but to have the powerful Feminine on our tag team is what the Frickin' world needs right now!! Be Blessed

[@laraazevedo7437]

Has any child that come from IVF, surrogates, or gay parents been systematically consulted before she formed those conclusions? I think youth voice says otherwise.... And no, having gay parents is not akin to losing a mother.

[@jordangonzalez5359]

Very interesting and necessary conversation. One big question though, at around the 16 minute mark when they’re talking about same sex couple adoption studies, she just dismissed all that research on the claim that they are shallow, fraught and biased studies by using a hypothetical. She came up with a hypothetical Baptist church study and said that’s the methodology these studies for same-sex couple adoption are using but didn’t name one study. Why didn’t she just use an example from one of the MANY studies instead using a made up one???? I understand the speculation, not taking everything at face value, we should question almost everything but she’s just claiming that that is what these studies are doing but no real life example. In fact she didn’t name any study on any of the topics or statistics they touched in this podcast which we should look into but most certainly the confidence with which she spoke about everything she should definitely come with receipts next time.

[@debbieduran9216]

“The government is given the power of designing and discarding of human lives in the name of progress.” Wow

[@Mitzi73]

My heart is breaking listening to this.😢. Imagine being a fertilized egg in the deep freeze and no one goes back to get you? Or a stranger gets you decades later?🥺

[@MSBowen-pk6ww]

I am 42 years old and single, I knew that if I stayed single I would never adopt a child, or have an IVF child because they would suffer greatly without their biological parent. That it was selfish of me to consider what I wanted over what the children would need! It sickens me when people say that IVF is a good thing! They murder Millions upon Millions of babies because of many dif reasons. One really heart breaking one for me is babies who have diseases! I was on a support group for Huntington's Disease which is what I have, my mother had it before me adn she got it from her father! It is like Parkinsons, ALS, Dementia and Alzheimer at the sametime. There is no cure! People on this supposed support group told me that my mother was a monster for even considering having babies and that I shouldn't have been born and they looked down on me like my life was some kind of sin! I couldn't believe how many of those support groups supported the message of killing HD babies to stop this disease to stop it from claiming victims! Their babies are still victims! They are not trying to spare the child from anything it's cowardace on their part to not face the needs that HD creates. It breaks my heart everyday to think of the millions not just with Huntington's Disease but with other things like dwarfisms and others that they want to avoid their babies getting! Their child suffers in a huge way when you go to the IVF whether or not you see it doesn't change the tragedy and pure murder! I had no idea that so few ever made it but given the genocide of the sick babies like myself it's not a shock! I deserve life! We all do! Babies need to be protected and allowed to live! My parents chose faith and love over fear! That is what happens when peopel who have my disease chose to not do this natrually because they will murder their ill babies. HD still exists you just added one more human to the list of victims that this disease claimed! With HD most people do not get sick until 30 to 60 time line some kids are but only 10%! Not that huge of a number. This is a neurogdengerative disease, and rare. It is not an easy life but God is all that I need to be brave enough to keep going. I chose not to have kids because of dif reasons not just this diese but I will say that if I had met the right man my baby would have been born naturally as God intended. I know right from wrong! I feel sick and heartbroken over this murdering business! I am sick of being otld to be silent that it's a difficult decison blah blah. That is just cowardly. These same lamo's said they are pro life unless it's an HD baby! That means that they are not! Stop reassoning that you are sparing your child! YOU want to have a normal life. It's because of your selfishness that this baby you should allow to live will never get to stay alive. Murder is wrong!

[@michelle4439]

Hi Lila, I was hoping you might have a moment to help answer this question: What would you say to someone who might argue that it’s a slippery slope to decide who can or cannot do IVF if there isn’t the same filtration for natural conception? Like for example if someone is an objective bad candidate for healthy parenting, they can conceive a child without limitations, regardless of whether CPS intervenes later in the child’s life is beside the point.. what is the easiest way to explain how these two scenarios are different? Thanks just want to know what you would say! ❤

[@michelle4439]

To clarify: what right does a bad person have to conceive a child naturally? It can’t be bodily autonomy can it? I think there’s something here

[@thembeforeus9515]

It wouldn't be "who" can use IVF or not. It's saying it's unethical for everyone. Surrogacy also unethical for everyone. Those methods are unethical because they violate the rights of the child, not because of WHO the adults are that wish to use it.

[@bellla333]

its called NATURAL SELECTION for a reason. i believe if someone is infertile there genes are just not ment to go into the next gene pool 🤷‍♀️

[@raeannaruby8306]

In a lot of species of mammals, males will often kill the offspring of rival males. "The mother's boyfriend" comment, made me think about that.

[@subhashreevenkatesh3868]

I am a Hindu from India and I loved to see your podcast.. commodification of kids will become a global problem

[@Jean-nr5ch]

True but in Australia, with the red tape around adoption it's much easier for single women to do IVF.

[@NickyRikki]

I'm pregnant now through IVF. Best decision I've ever made with my husband and it's free in Israel where I live. Tried for years to get pregnant. Found out I had a health issue that was causing issues with fertility..... Eventually started the process of IVF. First time failed and now we are waiting for our baby boys arrival end of this month..he will be raised with love, 2 parents, a very large Jewish family and everything he needs to thrive. Nothing wrong with IVF between husband and wife. I only have 1 embryo left frozen that we will use for the 2nd baby since we do want more kids and sibling for our son. I don't see anything wrong with 2 parents opting for IVF. Medicine has come this far that we can obtain the miracle of life when we couldn't before. It's truly remarkable. We should be grateful for modern medicine and it's achievements. For you to say my child wasn't conceived through love is total horseshit. It's not like we all have the choice naturally. Having a child is a sacrifice. You put the needs of your child's before yours. Raising a child requires sacrifice, responsibility and is a selfless act. How dare you claim that only women who can naturally conceive have this right when so many wonderful people and couples sacrifice so much for IVF to have their own children

[@Lalalacracker]

I know, I guarantee they wouldn't be saying these things had they walked a day in an IVF couple's shoes where there is zero % chance of conceiving any other way. Listening to what they are saying they have an incorrect understanding of how IVF actually works. And you are absolutely right, IVF parents have so much love to give, they go to the end of the earth to share that love and both parents definitely feel a lot of love and passion long the way during all the highs and lows. All the love that goes into making even one embryo through IVF is more than all the love it takes to create one embryo via non IVF. It is an incredible journey that only couples who go through IVF know about, some people will never understand how it actually works. All the best with your pregnancy, that is truly amazing!

[@SpicedTeac]

The thing that hit me was how people will push to adopt puppies rather than buy from breeders/mills but somehow don't register the exploits of designer babies as similar to visiting a puppy mill. There are plenty of children circulating the foster system who need stable, loving homes but parents who are apparently so desperate to be parents like to claim those children are ruined as an excuse. These type of people don't deserve children and have no business searching developing countries for their loophole. Why doesn't the phrase "adopt not shop" apply to human life? Backwards double standard. Surrogacy is no different than prostitution but worse it also promotes eugenics whether buyers are aware or not. Women are exploited for use of their bodies the same way and paid for it while human life is culled to suite a preference.

[@hiitsbree4610]

How can you even compare and say surrogacy is worse than prostitution?

[@vilmace3290]

You have no idea what are you saying!! Comparing a child, a creation of loving father & mother to a puppy. Its not the same. And surrogate is most selfless person helping a couple who cannot have their child!! Child with their genetics!!

[@RealSamHailu]

Wow, such a fascinating lady with a great cause!

[@lilla49o]

Hi Sweet Lila! Another phenomenal guest on this topic could be Jennifer Lahl, she is an amazing documentarian and anti-big fertility advocate. Love your podcast and love Katy 🩷

[@LC-lf8se]

Another great podcast! Thank you so much, Lila Rose!

[@maiahobx7375]

Alright fine I’ll buy the book 😂😂😂❤

[@startuphub4097]

I thought IVF fertilized one egg at a time. They don't store multiple fertilized eggs in cryo as I remember the process do they? Having multiple eggs stored for a long periods increases the likelihood of genetic errors later.

[@hiitsbree4610]

A lot of practices do that.

[@filiamaria8]

how about wives who have a certain disease of uterus where fertilization does not become successful and she undergoes thru these injectables, have her eggs taken, then fertilized with her husbands sperm outside of her uterus...and then placed back into her uterus... is this also bad? or just a lesser evil 😬

[@QueenLaniOfTM]

My vote not evil at all. But this is just my opinion based on research and expeirence with IVF. And for me my religion, it doesnt teach that its evil or bad of its neccasary to help bring life into the world. Again these ladies are not medical professionals and this is just their opinion on IVF. If their sect of whatever religion they practice say its wrong thats their belief. Also this is very one sided and they are missing facts amd taking imformation out of context amd misreprestimg numbers. But again..... not medical professionals so you cant really blame them.

[@mrs.b3902]

How do we stop this. We can’t keep these children frozen or cast aside and discarded. Can we make state laws that penalize the industry for engaging in this eugenics practice?

[@katie8325]

You don’t stop it you absolute lunatic. Why not focus on kids who are actually born and suffering now?

[@marziima3394]

Sorry, but it can't be true that children can have two mums or two dads, no! It destroys them in many asspects. By the way, this point of view is absolutely against with the another podcast here- Komisar Erica-she explains with a lot od reserches how children need their biological mother. I appreciate the approch to IVF and surrogacy on this podcast, but sorry the rest od absolutely controversial.

[@brookeschultz5037]

Huh? OD? What are you talking about???

[@marziima3394]

@@brookeschultz5037 listen the podcast with komisar-erica, she explains why dad is important in kid's growing, so sorry two mums can't give the same like healthy family of mum and dad.

[@winigreens]

Your videos are saving lives

[@lennny2218]

I always had a bad feeling about IVF but I didnt know much about it, so I didnt think more of it. So happy to see more conversations about this topic! Its incredibly sad that children have to suffer the consequences of choices made by the people who are supposed to protect them.

[@GlennCoco-pi7qs]

Reminder she is not a medical professional, also she giving you a one sided view of IVF

[@jesssturlese4886]

My husband and I tried for 10 years to have a baby. 2 miscarriages (natural conceptions) and many heartbreaks and tears we finally decided (through a lot of prayer!) to do IVF. We now have a beautiful 2 year old and would not have changed it for the world. I don’t really think this video helps those who are going through the heartbreak of infertility. I honestly believe God knew that this would be the world we live in, where more and more couples are experiencing infertility. Actually sperm counts have gone down 50% since the 50’s! If we didn’t have IVF where would we be? I understand what you are saying about frozen embryos & as a Christian my husband and I really struggled with the concept too. But you know what the fact that our beautiful daughter has 2 loving parents and is brought up in a loving family is more than some children are born into, who were conceived naturally. I believe that the blood of Jesus can cover everything so I will not take on the statistics you mention about IVF babies. Our daughter is protected by the blood of Jesus and that’s what we stand on! And for her, I will never not tell her how she was conceived, yes it was not the way I always envisioned but it doesn’t mean it’s any “less” than either. I think it’s actually videos like this that will make IVF babies think they are “less” than. I’m really sad that this video has been posted on this channel cause I watched another one the other day which I loved! And has really helped me be a better parent.

[@Purestgold789]

Well said. This comment is what I was looking for. I also have a beautiful 2 year old daughter whom I conceived via IVF. So I totally agree with you. Bless you and family.

[@dylanvisitacion8618]

Thank you, Neighbor 👍

[@dearally4787]

Is the doctor legally bound to transfer/implant abnormal embryos if the patient requests it? I heard this was so…

[@hiitsbree4610]

They generally do not because the chances of survival of the embryos for most abnormalities. Doctors are considering the trauma of losing the child if and when the body rejects the embryo because of the embryoic abnormality.

[@dearally4787]

@@hiitsbree4610 that’s what all of my research is saying too. I can believe that some Doctors would at the couples insistence. However, I was told that a Doctor MUST do it if the couple wants the embryo transplanted. I can’t find that law anywhere. And in fact in America I *think* Doctors have the right to refuse to do a procedure if they feel it would be medically unwise to do so. Just hoping someone might have solid info as to US law on this. Thank you

[@laikasveikti]

Thank you! 🌸