PRO LIFE vs. PRO CHOICE debate | opposing views with Lila Rose & Brenda Davies

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Not many issues are more polarizing and heated than the topic of abortion. Pro life advocates believe in the inherent value and human rights of the unborn. Pro choice advocates believe in the inherent value of the rights of women to choose whether to continue a pregnancy or not and to have bodily autonomy.
I sit down with Brenda Davies and Lila Rose, two advocates with very opposing views on the topic of abortion. Brenda is a writer, podcaster, and left-leaning pro-choice Christian with the KZbin channel called God is Grey. Brenda believes that forced birth is immoral and that abortion can be better prevented by making this nation a more hospitable place for new & existing life with left leaning policies. Lila is a writer, speaker and pro life activist. She’s the founder and president of Live Action, a human rights nonprofit with the largest digital footprint on the globe for the pro-life movement. Live Action exists to defend the rights of the unborn and make abortion unthinkable.
In this episode we cover:
- Is it always wrong to commit intentional violence on an innocent human person?
- Is it immoral to force teens and women to give birth against their will? What about bodily autonomy?
- What is the moment of distinction when a person deserves basic human rights? Gestational age? A heartbeat? Viability? When a person takes their first breath after birth?
- Both mother and child have rights - are those rights in conflict when it comes to pregnancy?
- A common reason why someone is pro-choice: “I wouldn’t personally get an abortion but I wouldn’t want to restrict someone else from getting one.”
- Is the way we talk about this debate “pro life” and “pro choice” are accurate to how people who hold those views truly think and act?
- There was over 600,000 abortions last year, if all abortions were banned, that would be 600,000 more kids, a lot of them in poverty or tough situations, what would be the plan to deal with that?
- Horrific instances of rape or incest, or when there is an extreme health risk to the mother? Or women who are suffering mentally?
- Sex elective abortion, where for example the parent chooses to abort their baby girl because they are specifically wanting a boy.
- would making abortion illegal actually reduce abortions?
- How the foster care system vs adoption shapes this conversation
- Do women need to rely on abortion to succeed in society?
- What about overpopulation?
- Roe v. Wade - will the Supreme Court overturn Roe? What will that mean for our national conversation about abortion?
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OPTION LINE
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Option Line offers a confidential live chat, text line, and toll-free phone line that is available 24/7. The website contains additional resources for women who are considering abortion, have had an abortion, or are seeking alternatives to abortion. It can connect a woman almost anywhere to local free resources
CARE NET
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[@mikaylataggart5376]

Brenda came to a pro life v pro choice debate and didn’t want to talk about abortion at all

[@melissabrouwer9899]

So true😢

[@Weavileiscool]

So many do that more on the pro choice side but it happens on both sides

[@noodeebrainworks1793]

Wow. I grew up pro choice and after hearing this, I am pro life. Wonderful job of the host to organize this conversation. Thank you ❤

[@XpigletX]

💖 God bless you

[@a_lobo]

Good choice 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@omiethamsia9009]

abortion doesn’t stop when it’s banned. women just have unsafe abortions or forced childbirth

[@susieq2334]

❤❤❤

[@emmanuelnosike7007]

It's really crazy that someone can even be pro choice to begin

[@dancobin1985]

Former baby here. Glad I was not aborted. Carry on.

[@chelseapoet3664]

Your argument is succinct and one of the most effective whenever I see it. Cheers!

[@ceejay331]

Underrated comment

[@psychedelicpython]

I'm a former baby as well. 59 years ago I was born, well actually May 25th it will be 60 years. Though my mother didn't have a lot of money, she had a lot of love and cared about me a lot, and that means all the world to me.

[@corablah9809]

I'm a former baby, and would have never judged my mom for making that decision. She didn't want me.😂

[@dmc5555]

There are many reports of people dying and having an experiences / feelings that no earthly pleasure or drug can match. how do you know it is bad to be dead. If you died today, maybe you would also choose to stay on the other side.

[@tedtalksrock]

If people were aborting puppies, at the rate that people abort babies, the public would be up in arms.

[@joannajett2524]

I mean yeah, if people were pregnant with puppies...

[@bdowiemama3310]

Yup, always. They think of people as animals, but they treat animals better. "Wow look at the bees create a hive. Awesome beaver dam!" Now people "look at that entire city with skyscrapers. People are so wasteful and selfish."

[@joannajett2524]

@@bdowiemama3310 Sure, because bees destroy thousands of species with their hives too, right?

[@bdowiemama3310]

@joannajett2524 No nature is all super kind and loving to one another 🤡

[@joannajett2524]

@@bdowiemama3310 Not the point. Are thousands of animal species disappearing because of bee hives and beaver dams, yes or no? Also, can humans live without skyscrapers?

[@ArmednotTriggered]

I see Brenda virtue signaling by bringing up assault rifles and other extremes to generate an inflammatory response, but Lila is responding with facts and not addressing the false equivalencies or misinformation. That's why she won the debate.

[@heatherromero7750]

How are those not the same as showing dead pictures of fetuses? Lol that was literally her point in bringing that up

[@ArmednotTriggered]

@@heatherromero7750 Brenda admitted she wasn't aware of what occurred during second trimester abortions. The pictures were relevant to the conversation because she needed to know.. Brenda whining about guns wasn't relevant..

[@astroterf.]

​@@heatherromero7750most people know (or can certainly visualise) what happens to a child shot with an assault rifle Most people don't know (or worse, don't _care_ to know) what an abortion actually involves so misguidedly think it's 'ok' There is your difference

[@joannajett2524]

It's not a false equivalency. Brenda was debating the causes of abortions, while Lila was debating the morality of abortion.

[@frankiearchangel9561]

Brenda appeared confused and got lost multiple times, and that's what she said. She had a hard time justifying her points because it was undeniably difficult. in contrast, Lila was confident all through out and prepared to explain particular issues about abortion.

[@billyb4790]

She was deflecting. There is no case for abortion.

[@emma_luce_0623]

I couldn't watch more than 60 minutes because of how ignorant her arguments were and she kept contradicting herself.

[@garythefunster]

I liked the question veto

[@catwoman9062]

If she would have answered the questions straight forward, she would have sounded so bad, so she had to talk around it - just words, and that is how she got lost. Abortion is killing a living human being. Period. An unwanted baby can always be adopted. Just let it have a chance at life.

[@randisanders]

Yeah that’s what happens when you’re feeling are your foundation instead of facts. Lots of talk of “mouse wheeling” but due to lack of substantial argument she was falling into it.

[@owlintrenchcoat]

"A procedure the ends a pregnancy." My daughter's birth ended my pregnancy. But that wasn't as abortion. So clearly there's a crucial thing missing from her definition.

[@celestial-mq9sc]

It’s so broad that it means nothing. It’s a euphemism.

[@jmfia2391]

​@@celestial-mq9scMurder

[@Masowe.]

That's how NHS qnd planned parenthood define abortion to make it sound normal I think 😢😢😢

[@jaynaysay1273]

Good point. So sorry for your loss. 💔

[@beccaslape6299]

She’s wanting all the humanity taken out of the definition; meanwhile she wants to pretend to have compassion on humanity…wut

[@AffirmtheTruth.]

The whole “god is grey” thing literally has me absolutely sick to my stomach. A bunch of strategic, blasphemous lies stemming from the pit of hell is what that is.

[@cathcasino]

Yes, Thank you.

[@JoanneNjeri-ef6sz]

💯💯💯

[@AProdigalSonReturned]

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 [13]For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. [14]And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15]Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[@beccaslape6299]

She needs the GOSPEL.

[@debbiedebz7297]

Literally what it is

[@kaylehorne5442]

Her: “I don’t want to bring a baby into the world where it might die!” Also her: *kills it*

[@HolyNarz]

@@LoveGodLovePeople896 How old was the baby?

[@mounta1nflower]

I’m- 😭

[@HolyNarz]

@@LoveGodLovePeople896 There is no comment with the age. Just say it

[@manniefresh3425]

She’s silly. Upper middle class white woman that’s probably never experienced true violence ever is going to excuse abortion for things that will likely never happen to her lol silly

[@KatiePencilArtist]

Good point😢

[@kbminnesota]

Brenda spoke about 2x more than Lila but I don’t remember anything specifically great she said. Mainly Brenda was talking in circles, contradicting herself, and when cornered and challenged on things she literally just said a few minutes prior, Brenda just laughs or goes back to an irrelevant talking point. Lila was composed, sincere, genuine, grounded in her morals and belief, and had facts. Most importantly, Lila was consistent. It almost seemed unfair and at some point I actually pitied Brenda. Well done, Lila! And thank you, Ellen! Pro -Life Always ❤

[@ThatRedhedd]

I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings who form bonds, recognize faces, communicate with each other, and show affection. It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. Those are my beliefs & they're justified. They're valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same? This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country that's not divided & polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them. I would absolutely ban the killing of animals because I am confident they deserve life and are not ours to dominate and oppress. However, telling everyone else they can't follow _their_ beliefs just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.

[@craiglange4523]

I totally agree with you, Lila is intelligent and well spoken. Brenda just defends herself cause she knows she is wrong deep down. People usually respond negatively when someone touches a sensitive part in them.

[@zacktimusprime18]

A major problem I am having with Brenda’s argument happens at 49:28. When asked questions about abortion she says, “ she’s not very educated on the matter.” That is crazy to me. She is writing books on the women’s health, she has podcast, and she vehemently supports “ pro choice.” But now when it’s time to defend your stance, your “uneducated” . How can you defend a stance, write books, and get argue on a platform when you admit that you are “uneducated” on a topic. That’s ridiculous smh

[@jackielortz4781]

She was embarrassing throughout the whole video 🤢 I came into the pro choice however my views are back and forth on the subject and may be changing, idk. But I appreciated Lila way more in this for the most part.

[@corablah9809]

​​@@jackielortz4781 how could you go back and forth? You realize the ramifications right? Women placed in jails if they speak they may go out of state for an abortion, literally like a cattle farm. Women jailed, forced to have babies for other families. It's weird and extreme, if this is truly something that was actually enacted, it would be detrimental. More women would day, way more women. There would be an epidemic of people kxlling full term babies and toddlers, instead of just getting an abortion. Limits? Obviously. Late term abortions are insane, unless it's medical, like a baby without a skull and brain, or a baby that will be born dead, or the mothers chance of dying being there. The goal is to do what we can, to support women and mothers in society, supporting women and children who choose life, giving them a village, AND supporting women who absolutely should not and do not want to continue a pregnancy. I am a young mom of 3. I am 23. Everyone assumes I'm pro life, but I'm not. I'm adamantly pro choice, I have friends who had to get abortions. They were the hardest, most critical decisions made. It doesn't matter if the fetus is "alive" or if it's a baby. Women still have the right to not be locked in cells and used as a way to produce babies for other people, it's forced human trafficking. The UN is coming in and is on standby because they are huge violations of human rights.

[@TryingtoTellYou]

@@jackielortz4781 I'm curious. What things are holding you back when considering pro life?

[@Sher7061]

I thought the same thing. Vastly irresponsible.

[@carlivasquez6840]

@@TryingtoTellYou I know you aren’t replying to me but my only issue is someone being pregnant for 9 whole months and having to give a birth that’s painful even if they didn’t want to be. It just doesn’t sit right with me.

[@zora8263]

i used to be pro choice and when i became pro life i got harrassed by my peers and got online death threats sent to me, that's how i know i'm on the right side.

[@anne8533]

As young women we are indoctrinated to be on birth control and pro choice. We were told it was empowering for women. I had never even heard a pro-life argument until my mid-30's because I never internally questioned my beliefs. It took one logical argument for me to hear from a pro-life debate and just like that I became pro-life overnight. The logic is sound and this debate just proves that further. .

[@XxDanielaxX]

I feel I got indoctrinated that way. Went on birth control at 16 years and never heard a pro-life argument. When we tried to get pregnant I educated myself on fertility awareness, and this is something I'm definitely gonna teach my daughter later ❤

[@hexl702too5]

“”” I never heard a pro-life argument till my mid 30s””” Lol silly!…. Are you accusing the forced-birthers of doing a lousy job?…. They’re gonna be awful pissed off…. they’ve been screeching“murder!” for 50 years….. They hollered till they’re blue in the face…… They’ve had plenty of presidents, politicians, activist groups with million-dollar budgets, religious leaders, half the American people…. How’s THAT for a megaphone?…..

[@randomgraham4302]

Glad you were open to even hearing a different opinion/outlook. If you don’t mind me asking where did you hear or read the information at that changed your outlook?

[@hexl702too5]

@anne8533 Should women be forced into continuing a pregnancy they don’t want?…. And how does a society force them?…. Answer as LOGICALLY as you like!

[@ThatRedhedd]

I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings who form bonds, recognize faces, communicate with each other, and show affection. It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. Those are my beliefs & they're justified. They're valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same? This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country that's not divided & polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them. I would absolutely ban the killing of animals because I am confident they deserve life and are not ours to dominate and oppress. However, telling everyone else they can't follow _their_ beliefs just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.

[@austinmago212]

Best part is you know Lila is praying for Brenda. Lila is a gift to human kind.

[@anabsanchez14]

WALKING SAINT!!!!

[@cks7548]

It's bad news for all women when any country lets women be treated like second class citizens or worse, as objects. It's really bad news when a major country that produces so much media that the rest of the world consumes goes backwards on women's rights. If the lack of abortion access doesn't kill you, giving birth just might. There's also always the risk of being murdered by a cop or incel mass shooter. Don't worry, even if you survive it all, the medical bills will leave you homeless. Good luck with the hostile architecture!

[@cks7548]

Also, I'm sure that Republicans want the female population miserable. Not only can they control them easier, but it satisfies their sadistic desires. They've always wanted to hurt people without consequences, and with this money and power, they can.

[@thomasperry9147]

Lila is eligible for Sainthood, FACTS

[@cks7548]

The same people who oppose abortion: Allow 3,000 child deaths yearly by firearms. Let 9 million kids lose healthcare Are separating kids and parents through deportation Refuse help to refugee families seeking safety Want to cut free school lunch programs They're not pro-life, they're just pro-birth.

[@YH-vf6pc]

My mom had really bad preeclampsia when she was pregnant with my sister. I believe the only reason both my sister and mom are alive is because we lived in Nashville in a pretty “pro life” area and the doctors literally did EVERYTHING to save my sister and my mom! My sister was delivered still a fetus, she was delivered 4 months early and only weight 1 lb and the rest of her developed in an incubator. But now she’s is a full growth, perfectly healthy adult, she has absolutely no health problems and my mom is very healthy too! But I have a feeling if she was born in todays times, she would’ve been suggested to be aborted and I don’t believe the doctors would do their job to save her life.

[@planckismus]

Your sister’s story is absolutely amazing! I’m studying to be a doctor and this is what motivates me 🤍

[@KristinaBakerSmith]

🥰

[@beliciamathias]

Amen

[@joannajett2524]

Medical miracle. Awesome !

[@BellaSchneider-k2n]

I had a horrible childhood. Wretched. I was suicidal and wished i was never born. I was in fostercare i married my huband who was in fostercare for his entire life. His childhood was even worse than mine. When we got together we were homeless and starving. The only fanily available to us didnt love us or was dead from drug overdose. It took a long time to finally get back on our feet. With the help of government funded programs therapy and god im solid on my feet. Im not afraid of life anymore. Now im happy to be alive. My life is hard but im tough bc of it and resilient. My husband is happy to be here and alive. It breaks my heart that someone would want me dead as an unborn baby or as a fetus bc they thought the world wasnt qualified enough for me...... Dont underestimate me or future children like that..... We're alot stronger than prochoicers give us credit for. It would have been selfish of my mother to abort me sinply because she felt sje couldnt provide. The reality is there are plenty of options for adotpion or fostercare. Fostercare isnt always a bad thing like a lot of people make it out to be. Yeah fostercare is hard especially for ones with irrisponsible care givers that are abusive. But it doesnt mean someone should die just because life is hard for them. I agree with Lila we as communities need to take responsibility for the children who arent aborted. We need to focus on resources for them. There are resources available im loving proof of that. My 2 beautiful neices and 1 beautiful nephew were put into fostercare to then be adopted 3 years later. Theyre happy and full of life. Its hard for them but its not unworthy or impossible for them to live. And they dont want to die.

[@YouarelovedJ316]

Thank you for sharing your story. Yours is an important one so that folks can see that what you are born into doesn't define your entire life. ❤

[@ThatRedhedd]

Are you a vegetarian, too? I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?

[@helena87b]

Excactly

[@bethany7392]

I am glad you are both alive.

[@Jupit3r_Moon]

Lila Rose is the reason I am pro-life today. I saw ONE of the abortion procedure videos on her channel, binged watched the rest and I am so thankful. Knowledge is power!!

[@cks7548]

Let me ask you. Since you cannot provide any proof that anyone has ever aborted a perfectly healthy baby in the 3rd trimester, why do you think you should pass laws to stop something that isn't occurring? I'll tell you why. Because the “pro life” liars are all about control. They don't give a good goddamn about the “unborn.” If they actually believed life is sacred and should be protected, why aren't they concerned about making sure that child has access to medical care after it is born? Why aren't they lifting a finger to stop the gun violence? Why aren't they concerned about children drinking poisonous water or going to rat infested schools or living in the streets? Why aren't they concerned about making sure that child's parents, who were also once “pre-born,” earn a living wage, have the child tax credit, affordable child care, early childhood education and food to eat? Absolutely no one aborts a healthy pregnancy in the 3rd trimester. This is yet another LIE that pro-life hypocrites tell and weak minded assholes believe. But the bottom line is, there should be NO laws telling a woman they don't have the right to make whatever medical decision is chosen between her and her medical provider. Name me ONE law that tells men what kind of Healthcare they may or may not seek. Show me one law that even suggests controlling a man's axes to whatever medical care he wants and can afford.

[@cks7548]

Many, many pro-lifers haven’t thought things through and are supporting things they don’t intend to. The official pro-life position is monstrous. Most pro-lifers aren’t wicked monsters - but neither is a toddler with a loaded uzi. (And as with a toddler with a loaded uzi the root problem is the people who gave the toddler the uzi.) First off, I’m going to grasp the nettle. The Roman Catholic position on abortion is that in the event of an ectopic pregnancy you may not directly remove the embryo to save the mother’s life but may remove the entire infected fallopian tube. The Roman Catholic position is one of fatuous casuistry which unnecessarily maims women (by removing fallopian tubes) all so those at the top can avoid the complexities of biology and morality. Ordering the unnecessary maiming of women so you can avoid facing the complexities of the world is the position of a wicked monster. The positions of individual Catholics may or may not agree with the teachings of the church and may or may not be carefully considered. Second the position of the Pro-lifers who want an outright abortion ban and work to ensure the lack of provision is monstrous. Abortion, in cases including ectopic pregnancies (where the embryos implant on the wrong site), is a life-saving medical procedure. By working to destroy the possibility of abortions the pro-lifers are working against life saving medical care. (And no ectopic pregnancies can’t be reimplanted no matter what pro-life lawmakers want). Third the very common position of Pro-lifers as being anti-contraception is monstrous. Apparently you guys think that abortion is murder - but murder is less important than sperm being wasted. If you actually were doing more than jerking off about abortion you would actually want things that work to lower the abortion rate. Like contraception and effective sex education (i.e. not “abstinence only”). Planned Parenthood does more to lower the abortion rate than the entire pro-life movement combined does. Fourth forcing a pregnant woman to carry a non-viable foetus to term is also monstrous. An embryo without functional lungs will never become a living, breathing human being. This can’t be tested for before about 20 weeks so is normally done about week 21. Forcing someone to carry a steadily growing foetus from week 22 (when diagnosed) to about week 40 (expected delivery), while the foetus is continually feeding off their body and is going to be dead straight after delivery is monstrous. Likewise a foetus without a brain. Or numerous other cases. A non-monstrous position that thinks that abortion is bad is “safe, legal, and rare”. How do you make abortion rare without banning it (and with it life saving medical care)? Simple. You attack the demand side. You make sure that as few people as possible get accidentally pregnant You provide comprehensive sex education (remember that abstinence only does not work) You provide free contraception - including emergency contraception (the so-called “Morning After Pill”) as that’s contraception and prevents conception You ensure that pregnancy isn’t an overwhelming financial burden on anyone and they aren’t forced to abort for financial reasons You provide free maternity care You, like just about every other country in the world provide paid parental leave You ensure they aren’t forced to give up the babies after birth for financial reason; you have a generous welfare system This actively works to lower the abortion rate. Meanwhile trying to reverse all this increases the abortion rate and makes it clear that the anti-choice movement is more interested in punishing women for sex than it is in actively doing what they claim is saving lives.

[@Demonoicgamer666]

If you don’t have the mental maturity to be pregnant then you shouldn’t be pregnant, you’re bring a kid into the world that’s a giant responsibility and if you’re not ready for that you either need to consider abortion or adoption and I would not burden your kids with the feelings of being unwanted you can’t assume they’ll be adopted. Lila assumes every mother wants too be a mother.

[@akindekoayoola9802]

​@@Demonoicgamer666there is choice of abstinence, there us always a choice l, always think before you do stuff.

[@TheLostKing47]

@@Demonoicgamer666 Lila doesn’t assume everyone wants to be a mother. She assumes that killing a child isn’t right(which it isn’t), and that there’s better options for women

[@Contemplator24]

Lila is so stunningly beautiful, intelligent, refined, kind and compassionate - what an amazing woman. She absolutely destroyed in this debate - to the point where I felt embarrassed for Brenda.

[@antonettehicana8957]

I think it’s really scary how Brenda is convinced she is a christian.

[@wonderfullydi]

YES YES YES YES. THANK YOU.

[@diannebee]

Seriously! And im sorry but you’re not a Christian if you’re pro choice. Idc what ppl say. You cannot kill someone for your “convenience.”

[@ZaydaHerrera]

Totally.

[@EveBernard-ff4rm]

So do I

[@Jessg1rl]

I think it's even scarier that you think you have the right judge whether someone's a Christian or not.

[@Shesobold]

Also, Brenda’s constant condescending attitude, tone and responses made this very difficult to watch. Bravo to Lila for maintaining an insane amount of patience through out this entire debate.

[@CrystalMone]

Yes, I found Brenda to be rude to Ila several times throughout the conversation

[@alissawarren1244]

Brenda’s argument seems more like a failed attempt at regurgitating info she’s heard rather than truly understanding the words coming out of her mouth

[@valeriaduo2577]

The fact that Brenda thinks that abortion is something horrible but still supports it💀

[@TacosnZorro]

I think a lot of people are afraid to admit how awful it is

[@lemondog7724]

This debate convinced me Brenda has absolutely no clue what she believes

[@LaraNole]

Because it’s not up to us to decide for others,my body my choice for everything,I heard so many people discussing it when it was about vaccines or other medical procedures but then changing their mind on other topics,we should let people decide for their own bodies regardless of what your perception of the issue might be,some people find euthanasia awful and others a really good and humane thing and we as a society should respect that.

[@kikoyoyo980]

Brenda is calling abortion of what it is! Abortion is murder & a medical procedure! If you ever retrieve a baby 🍼 from the dumpster, then you will understand why abortion needs to exist. Whilst Pro Life folks pat themselves on the back, I'll be doing the work nobody wants to do & getting those poor babies 🍼out of the dumpsters. But carry on!

[@layth6857]

@@LaraNole its not up to you wether someone gets to live or die. vaccines affect you, abortion kills another person. does that make sense?

[@caterinadc5567]

Brenda, sister... You're using every buzzword. ""Nuance, experience, privilege, affluence, reproductive justice," etc.... Please realize that when your speech is so predictable, it's because you're conforming to a script. And when we're conforming to a script, we're not being real. I'm not trying to be a jerk about Brenda's performance in this (public speaking is hard, and kudos to her for engaging in a public version of a contentious debate). At the same time, the optics of this debate are so cringeworthy to me, because all I hear from Brenda's side of the table is the elitist self-satisfaction of someone's who's memorized an ideological script and thinks that repeating it makes them an enlightened educator of others. She is literally unable to adapt to unexpected questions in this conversation, to the point that she trails off when she tries to speak organically, and actually has to just refuse to engage when her script doesn't give her a convenient way of engaging in some area. Again, I don't want to be mean. I just... feel sad, honestly, seeing how perfectly disciplined into this role Brenda has been, and I'm concerned for her sake that she may literally be blind at this point to alternative ways of thinking or being. And honestly she has a media-conducive _effectiveness_ to embodying this role, being beautiful and having just the right level of 'enlightened condescension' in her voice to potentially be persuasive to student-age people who are used to hearing that tone of voice from teachers, and assume that this tone of voice and these buzzwords are the way to identify the 'educator' or authority figure in the room, the person who's supposed to tell them what to think and do. As an adult who used to be in Brenda's position, though... it is so sad looking back and seeing how she's talking. I hope she grows out of it, and I hope other people aren't misguided into following her misguided direction in the meantime.

[@homeschoolhugs]

This was an amazing comment! I completely agree. Well said.

[@normanshadow1]

Eloquently stated and I'm in total agreement.

[@angeldeath4173]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@michaelp7250]

I really cannot stress enough how fantastic of a moderator Ellen is. She’s incredibly fair to both sides. She acknowledges when both are dodging questions, and asks both sides equally tough, but fair, questions. She’s uses both side’s own words and doesn’t show any clear bias. This was a fantastic discussion

[@BPrinz776]

Although the pro life lady never dodged ANY questions. The other one deflected alll the time.

[@emma_luce_0623]

I never saw Lila dodge a question but yes

[@MarsMcCarthy]

I’m so glad Lila is so radiant and well spoken. She makes everyone else looks like a complete fool with very little effort. Praise be to God she’s on the side of babies. ❤️

[@majesticmicrobes60]

When I went to planned parenthood, all I needed was an ultra sound that I could show to my midwife before I could hire her to deliver my daughter. They told me, if I wasn’t planning on getting an abortion, they couldn’t help me. I also wanted to get a Pap smear later on, and they told me they don’t do that. They referred me to the women’s health center, where abortions aren’t performed. This was on the west coast. It’s not worth it for planned parenthood to have other services because most of what they do is perform abortions.

[@hales-xo]

Wow, that’s honestly disgusting! No shame in their game, they are strictly in the business of murder. No other. It’s honestly pathetic……

[@leslie3188]

i think it just depends where you go and the area you live in here in california i’ve gone to planned parenthood for birth control, std/sti testing, blood work

[@kelgirl99]

It's so insane too. I tool a friend to planned parenthood in high school. It was just to get some options laid out for her before she told her parents. They didn't even offer to talk about keeping the baby or giving it up for adoption. The only thing they spoke with her about was abortion. They minimized the procedure. She was really small, and close to second trimester already (but not showing very much. Her parents thought she was just getting fat). They didn't attempt to educate her about what her baby looks like or how it was growing. Nothing. They simply pushed their abortion agenda, and acted like they only wanted the best option for her. I ended up telling my mom all about it and she encouraged my friend to tell her mom and go to an obgyn. They explained all the options. They showed her pictures of the size her baby was and the developmental stages. She said that once knowing everything, she didn't want to abort because it was wrong and had the baby. She gave him up for adoption. One of the biggest problems with a lot of planned parenthoods is that they aren't honest with their patients. They don't always explain the procedure accurately or give all the options with connections because they just want you to pay them. I think a lot of pro choice people are sadly misinformed about what goes on behind closed doors. I've met so many people that just think you take a little pill and the baby doesn't feel anything even in 2nd and 3rd Trimester abortions. They aren't being told when babies develop pain receptors, or when babies are able to react to their mothers voices. Planned parenthood will do anything to turn you against your baby so they can pocket your hitman money.

[@leahwilliams9333]

I had the same experience when I was pregnant with my firstborn. My doctor was on vacation and I had a UTI. I had had pap smear there when I was not pregnant and figured they'd be willing to get me in and write a script for antibiotics. They literally told me if I was planning to keep my baby, they could not take me. They don't provide prenatal care. Then, I shared this truthful experience online and got attacked by pro-choicers for trying to smear this company. Lol. It all worked out in the end. I ended up having to go to the ER though.

[@janek3531]

What I never ever hear about on either side is the mental effects of abortion on the woman 5-10-20-50 years after the abortion. I worked at a pregnancy center and we did post abortive care and the devastation I saw was horrifying. More support should be given to women post abortion whether it is legal or not. There are elderly women out there who have never coped with what happened or were forced into having abortions they didn’t want. Both sides should be concerned with this.

[@KrimsonRose87]

Exactly

[@gracehetfield5331]

As a pro choice person, I support this. I know many people who are not devastated and don't have any trauma from having abortions but I don't think there is a "correct" way to feel about any life circumstance. I'm sure there are woman who regret their choice, especially if it wasn't really their choice and they were forced into it by an intimate partner. I just would be against any post abortion counseling that passes judgment on women and makes them feel ashamed or like bad people. And the thing is there are many people on the pro life side who have no empathy for these women because they see them as murderers.

[@pidetods5880]

The support after abortions is so necessary, but it’s also important to note the probably more devastating effects of being forced to carry out an unwanted pregnancy. Especially when the person can’t handle that, and maybe wanted an abortion but it wasn’t accessible to them.

[@katiehollmer5756]

@@gracehetfield5331 I believe most people who are pro-life view the abortionist (doctor) as the murderer and the mother as another tragic victim. 😢

[@gracehetfield5331]

@@katiehollmer5756 I would say that is true and I think that is the more compassionate viewpoint to have but if you truly believe abortion is murder, isn't a woman who seeks an abortion and schedules an appointment guilty of first degree murder in the same way that someone who hires a hitman is? And then there's the issue of self administered abortion or someone who tries to commit suicide while pregnant? Are they not entirely the guilty party? I'm not saying I at all agree with that. It just seems like much more consistent logic to me and I want to know what the argument would be to say that these women are also victims. And it also begs the question, if you don't think someone who planned an abortion should be held responsible to the same degree of someone who planned a murder, do you really think abortion is murder or do you think it's lesser? Now granted, being totally charitable, I don't think you have to think something is akin to murder to think it's morally wrong. I'm just trying to understand the argument- is it that these women have been brainwashed so they don't fully understand their actions?

[@KS-zc4jn]

I naturally conceived twins. When the nurses in the specialists office were doing the scan, they asked if I wanted a selective reduction (abort one of the babies). I was horrified that they would even ask that question!😱

[@cyberspace7208]

😮😮

[@Ayzlin]

😮😮

[@firefly9838]

Twice the kids, twice the resource strain. You must have been rich to just nonchalantly not care or consider sacrificing one to give the other a better life... again unless your so rich it doesn't matter but that isn't mist people.

[@cyberspace7208]

@@firefly9838 Laughable. I'm below the poverty line and would never consider that. No, she doesn't have to be rich.

[@KS-zc4jn]

@@firefly9838 Well, that was my 3rd pregnancy and I ended up having the twins when our oldest was only 3.5 y.o and the second was 2 y.o. No, we were not rich (still aren't). We live off one income and my husband's income is average middle class. If you think having just twins (not even the other 2) is a big hit on your resources, it is possible that you are living above your means. Most people can figure out how to find more income if it is necessary. Having one of our unborn children killed was NOT an option.

[@christawolfe109]

How do you define violence. Completely avoided the question.

[@milkeywilkie]

Brenda is obviously a woman who has gone through a lot of pain and suffering in her life, and I fear that she was hesitant to concede to Lila's argument because then it would mean that she had committed a murder, which no one wants to admit. I have every bit of sympathy for her and I hope she finds healing and happiness.

[@awsambdaman]

That’s kinda the odd thing about people who support abortion. A lot of the time they have an abortion (usually out of convenience) and then they become pro choice to rationalize their past wrong doing

[@denniswakabayashi9000]

​​@@awsambdaman Lila supports self managed abortions. The Pro-life movement and Lila and Kristan Hawkins are hypocrites since they seek no laws against women who procure their own abortions. Okay for the woman to abort BUT not okay for doctors to assist with abortion is their convoluted argument.

[@susanwest4137]

​@@denniswakabayashi9000, we know you'll never have to worry about impregnating anyone. You don't have to keep carrying on about it hun.

[@denniswakabayashi9000]

@@susanwest4137 We know you are Pro-choice on self managed abortions.

[@milkeywilkie]

@@awsambdaman and sometimes someone like Destiny says that a high profile pro-lifer can't/won't change their views because their career and reputation depend on it, but in reality it happens much more that a pro choice woman can't/won't change her views because she is afraid of being a murderer. very sad

[@katieprice7440]

“I keep getting lost in personhood…” in the first 20 minutes she walked right into Lila’s point. None of the circumstances matter when you see all life and worthy of protection.

[@luminalgenie]

Yeah, tell the catholic men of your country who decided to keep child marriage legal

[@cecynay7369]

She stumbled onto the most fundamental question and refused to address it in her response to Ellen's first question. I wish we'd seen a better pro-abortion advocate, because this made Lila's job way too easy. I wish we were able to see a more "fair fight".

[@shannellmcdonough254]

How many times did she lose her train of thought on the pro choice side?!! When you are not holding onto truth you just have nothing to keep you straight! I am Pro-life absolutely ❤❤❤

[@randomgraham4302]

Or when have to worry about the words you say because you’re terrified of being attacked by radical pro choice activists. Didn’t Brenda state she was censoring and policing her words during this talk?

[@ThatRedhedd]

I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings who form bonds, recognize faces, communicate w/ each other, and show affection. It's unethical to oppress them, exploit them & murder them. Those are my beliefs & they're justified. They're valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same? This issue will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country that's not divided & polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs! The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them. I would absolutely ban the killing of animals because I am confident they deserve life and are not ours to dominate and oppress. How well would that be received?

[@sarahrochell1696]

Little tip: when you go into a debate know your stuff and don’t contradict yourself repeatedly.

[@margoserna-moraga]

Thank you, Lila you are amazing. I would like to share a story. At age 13, I was pregnant, I had my child at age 14, with the help of my family and community. Truly a wonderful experience. I am now 42, a nurse and a good human. I appreciate the simplicities in life, love, food, shelter, words and books. I always hope for betterment in the world.

[@livthedream5885]

You were fortunate to have a supportive family. Many families are neither supportive or safe for a teenager to announce her pregnancy.

[@tessm2152]

And the young 13 year old who wants to get an abortion is also a good human.

[@gypsy-nr9zd]

Idk about this one. I’m mostly pro life but it’s pretty dangerous for a child as young as 12-13 to give birth

[@HPPGATrainingInstitute]

@@gypsy-nr9zd but don’t forget childbirth in general is an extremely delicate and strenuous process in the body. In certain parts of the world, with fewer medical resources, women die giving birth at higher rates. In the US, that happens too but the reasons aren’t just associated with resources. It’s not just a teen who might be at risk.

[@kaso6383]

Imagine if the child's father was also your father (or your uncle or brother) & you were forced to deliver that baby? You were very lucky but many others are not. You chose what was best for you & others should have that choice also & yes, like @Unicorn says, they are good humans regardless.

[@jessicareasor8577]

This poor Brenda girl was so unprepared. She couldn't even answer the most basic questions with facts. Her defense of abortion was all feelings based.

[@MissMikato]

Lila makes a great point when she says there's a culture of death, particularly when women are asked straight away if they want to have a abortion after they find out they are pregnant. This happened to me, the first question my doctor asked me was if I wanted to have an abortion and then after I found out I was having twins, the same question was asked. I had to tell my doctors (I had multiple because I was high risk) to stop discussing abortion because it was so pervasive in our appointments.

[@lauraronni5315]

I know! that happened to me too like what is up with these doctors. It’s disrespectful to me if they ask, I will let you know with my own words if I want to kill the kid but I do not appreciate being asked

[@ck337]

That’s so sad. 😭 I have a friend who’s doctor asked her if she was going to keep her child. I bet that’s what he was referring to! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@beatrice1775]

That was the first question I was asked - over the phone, by a midwife I had never met in person - when I was 5 weeks pregnant with my son. It felt intrusive, belittling of the life I was carrying, and patronising. After giving birth, my doctor immediately asked me I was going to make sure I didn't get pregnant again in the near future. She is obliged to provide contraceptive measures to her patients by the hospital, I get that - but the underlying assumption that becoming pregnant is something distressing and to be controlled at all costs is truly disturbing. My pregnancy began and ended with medical professionals assuming my unhappiness with the state of pregnancy. I believe this is a failure of contemporary Western society.

[@MissMikato]

@@beatrice1775 Yes! Doctors tried to force birth control on me constantly. I ended up having an emergency c-section with twin 2 so they said I should wait 18 months until I'm fully healed before having another child. When I said I use the Fertility Awareness Method and condoms because I can't take hormonal birth control due a clotting disorder, all my doctors treated me as if I was stupid, like I couldn't possibly stop myself from getting pregnant using those methods. They said there's other birth control I could get on, they would not take no for an answer. I refused of course (ended up leaving my GP because of it), and now nearly 2 years later I haven't got pregnant, what a surprise.

[@beatrice1775]

@@MissMikato your experience reminds me so much of mine! Emergency c section with my son as well, followed by a number of doctors very concernedly telling me that getting pregnant earlier than 18 months after birth was dangerous, and that I needed birth control. I'm sorry about your negative experience and changing GP sounds like the best option. I hope both of us have a better experience with future pregnancies ❤

[@terrykelley8239]

So Brenda isn’t actually a Christian. She just likes the label.

[@mlady6564]

I believe Brenda is clinging to her unfounded beliefs to avoid the guilt and trauma she experienced with her own abortion.

[@planckismus]

If that is the case I hope she overcome her trauma and repents 💜

[@JadeEyes1]

@@planckismus What a self-righteous, passive aggressive wish.

[@planckismus]

​@@JadeEyes1 I mean well for her. It's wrong of you to assume bad intentions based on your own stereotypes and insult me.

[@StaceyBeryl]

There is nothing in the Bible that says we "deserve to be happy". We will have trials and tribulations. Abortion is never an answer.

[@jonesdidid]

God bless Lila Rose!! How she can maintain her respect and composure when debating someone who has the most exhausting and baseless arguments is beyond me. She is a national treasure!!!!

[@biancapranic772]

Lol

[@samupon_a_star8258]

Right?! Lila is such a classy woman. The other woman is soooo infuriating.

[@JPalms-hd9jg]

She’s frustrating because she right!

[@ThatRedhedd]

I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings who form bonds, recognize faces, communicate with each other, and show affection. It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. Those are my beliefs & they're justified. They're valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same? This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country that's not divided & polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them. I would absolutely ban the killing of animals because I am confident they deserve life and are not ours to dominate and oppress. However, telling everyone else they can't follow _their_ beliefs just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.

[@maseokemapodile6389]

​@@ThatRedheddi

[@ellepierson4088]

What blows my mind are the mothers that can call themselves “pro-choice” How can you be pro-choice after hearing that first heartbeat, seeing your baby in those ultrasound appointments, to really getting to see the growth of your baby at that 20 week appointment, to finding out the sex of your baby, to carrying it for 9 months, and then giving birth to he or she (or twins) ? 😢it makes me so sad for all those innocent angels being killed daily. This world NEEDS JESUS😩

[@babs_babs]

you sound like you’ve lived a very sheltered life.

[@ThatRedhedd]

Are you a vegetarian, too? I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?

[@joannajett2524]

Maybe because they actually know what pro-life policies are forcing onto women. Banning abortion just causes more deaths.

[@mrsTreadnaught]

I wonder the same thing. I think it boils down to narcissistic behavior to be frank.

[@jennaglass2890]

When Brenda says this was a waste of her time ( I do know that she corrected herself) but that remark alone turned me off to her willingness and openness to have a conversation with Lila. Very off putting that she seemed annoyed with being challenged on her views when she agreed to do this sit down debate.

[@Maruchi1970]

When Brenda realizes she's going to lose the argument, she says she doesn't want to get into that topic.

[@aliiiiiiiful]

I think what she should have articulated better was that certain things like the moment at which life begins & somehow forcing everyone on earth to agree on that will not prevent abortions so what is productive about that conversation?

[@hoopsonfire17]

@@aliiiiiiiful or.....when confidently stated facts were presented she realized she was in too deep. Love her or hate her, Lila was well prepared and knows her stuff. Just saying. All round, I thought it was an enlightening conversation. I learned a lot about both of their views.

[@aliiiiiiiful]

@@hoopsonfire17 just bc something is said with confidence does not make it a fact. A lot of what Lila said was sensationalized to illicit an emotional response & not actually derived from real fact based scientific evidence. Brenda did not know her shit which didn’t help her case. They should have chosen someone equally as elite in their field / position as Lila I don’t think it was a fair debate.

[@heatherkeathley9124]

She should've had that response to every topic because she sounded like an ignorant fool who's unwilling to deal with inconvenient truths

[@heatherkeathley9124]

@@aliiiiiiiful Yet you spew more Brenda word salad & actually say nothing. Over & over I read comments like yours, insinuating Lila spreads falsehoods yet you list none nor rebut anything. Its hilarious & extremely sad at the same time. Now, hurry, run to a PPFA website & copy/paste some ACTUAL FALSEHOODS. Nothing you could ever respond with will stand. It will all be shut down with fact. Thats a promise. Im sorry thats inconvenient for you. FYI, I had 2 abortions because I choice to not educate myself & believe the bs being fed to me. Thank God I woke up. Yes, it was inconvenient to feel the emotions but it was necessary. I did it both times because children would have inconvenienced my life in some way. I have to live with that. Most people dont want to face it because its easier to pretend an abortion isnt the violent slaughter of an innocent human life. The most innocent among us. Today, I choose to be their voices..... today, i choose to live in an educated reality based on FACT. Period.

[@sayreparent]

Brenda is so uneducated it’s scary. She was definitely not the correct person for this video, she should be no where near this conversation

[@dontforget2092]

My goodness, Brenda was not ready for this. Such weak arguments and reasons to believe abortions should be considered for women. I definitely got reinforced in my Pro Life stance.

[@trumpbellend6717]

It's not about when "life" begins dear, a human sperm is a unicellular life that is capable of surviving outside the body. Does this therefore mean that using a condom is an act of GENOCIDE ? How about a 🖐 job ? I suspect you probably killed BILLIONS 🤣😅 everything you eat was once "life" does that mean that one should not eat ?? Of course not. If you have your appendix taken out or a biopsy are you murdering that clump of cells ?? The real question is when does this "life" become conscious, feel pain ect and become a "human" this most certainly does NOT occur at conception. So tell me at what specific point in the process does the zygote become sentient without neurons or a brain ? Can you define it down to the individual stages of mitosis prophase prometaphase, metaphase, anaphase, or telophase???? How may cells does it require for you to be able to diferentiate this blastocyte from an human "life" ? Perhaps its when the chorion develops around the blastocyte or when the inner ones become the amnion?? Or maybe when this becomes an embryo and we begin to see the beginnings of the internal organs ?? Or later when we first see the neural tube that will EVENTUALLY become the brain and the spinal column even though they do not become fully developed until the end of the pregnancy ???? How many specific neurons does this brain need before it attains consciousness in your subjective opinion?? Does it only class as life at 24 weeks when it becomes viable outside the uterus ?? Ect ect ect These are difficult questions don't get me wrong. But one thing is for certain, the percieved whims of anyone's subjective imaginary "God" are irrelevant to the discourse.

[@mrs.stocky2445]

Yes, she was not ready for Lila and for facts.

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@mrs.stocky2445 "facts" you say hmm 🤔 I suspect its more a case of you thinking that you have the right to impose your own particular SUBJECTIVE religious morality upon others dear. Proborably "christian" in which case the hypocrisy would be astounding. _"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them_ *But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child* _ox and sheep, camel and donkey"_ (1 Samuel 15:3) God repays your enemies by destroying their babies _"Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us_ *He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks* (Psalms 137:8-9) God promises to destroy the infants of Samaria and *rip open the stomachs of pregnant women* _"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God_ *They will fall by the sword their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open* (Hosea 13:16) _"At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates_ _He sacked Tiphsah_ *and ripped open all the pregnant women* (2 Kings 15:16) There is tonnes of this stuff, one that sticks on my mind is the story of the 32,000 young girl virgins, where your God orders the slaughter of thousands of women ( many presumably pregnant) along with all the children AFTER the battle. But thought it a good idea to share the YOUNG GIRL VIRGINS ( the bible calls them "plunder" & "prey" ) amongst the soldiers that had just slaughtered their families. He said that those men could "go into them" as long as they gave them a month to mourn their families. I'm absolutely certain that that was consensual though, I mean what adolescent girl would not look forward to bedding a man who had killed their family just a month prior?? 🤮🤮🤮 I often wonder did they do some kind of physical exam on those poor young girls in order to ascertain their virginity and did they do it whilst they still stood amongst the bodies of their little brothers & sisters ? And just how did they kill those kids did they strangle them , cut their throats , throw them into a burning pire. And did moses soldiers sleep soundly that night thinking they had done the work of god ? Anyway who could question the morality of this omnipotentomniscient God who said such wise things as *"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"* or the unforgettable Exodus 21 21 *"If you beat your male or female slave with a rod and they do not die for a day or two"* *"There is to be NO PUNISHMENT for they are your PROPERTY and your money"* 🤮🤮🤮🤮 Yes I'm sure this specific beings morals are what we all should adhere to. We should not be put off just because this god thinks that the gathering of sticks on the sabbath a crime worthy of stoning to death. Or because he said the same fate should befall unruly children that are rebellious and disrespect their parents. ( sounds like most teenagers to me ) We should not find it at all confusing that this omniscient all knowing God simultaneously declared Lot a "good" & "righteous" man worthy of saving when every one else ( including children ) were killed for being "immoral" ,despite knowing in advance that he would engage in relations with his own daughters ( not once but 2 nights running) What was his punishment for this ?? Oh I remember now , NOTHING !! It's seems God in his wisdom deemed stick gathering a much more severe offense than in cest 🤔🤔🤔 So much for christian family values , 😜 And I never even got round to the endorsement of polygamy or genocide, arh well maybe next time.

[@korenavery4334]

@@rrr441 there is no better defense. No one who is pro abortions has facts on there side… a pro life vs pro choice debate will always end like this.. because there’s no way to intelligently articulate a justification for murdering a baby

[@tacotuesday1960]

@@rrr441 I’ve been trying to find a good pro-choice/pro-life debate. Being pro-life, I want to understand the other side as best as I can. A lot of times when I watch arguments like these it seems that many pro-choicers kinda just dance around the more existential questions around personhood and human life and kinda just rely on semantics. If you feel Brenda didn’t accurately represent the pro-choice argument I would love to hear either your best argument or if you know of a video/organization/person that you feel represents your side better feel free to reply or put a link in the comments.

[@LuckyStar-shines-officials]

I'm a pro life cos of my morals, listening to this has given me more backing from science & human rights. WOW. I feel more enlightened watching this. Thank you for this episode, we need this kind of education. ❤

[@swcordovaf]

If we didn’t have children until there was perfect world peace, zero poverty, zero sickness, zero strife then there would never be another baby born forever. Having a child is how we push back against the challenges of the world. Humans are the answer to the challenges of human life. And a single human can create a work of art, a piece of literature or a scientific discovery that can change ALL of humanity.

[@jennifervelez3826]

If my mother told me she believed more in abortion after having me, as Brenda said, I would feel so un-loved

[@neigeepierrot4694]

Really since doesn’t that mean she wanted you and you made her value the work that goes into life and respect children

[@neigeepierrot4694]

But that means you made her respect children and that not Everyone should be a parent kids are that precious

[@Trey_GSF]

The more I listen to this, the more Brenda is just sounding increasingly entitled. Imagine living such a coddled life that you believe the **potential** for struggle (not even guaranteed) warrants death.

[@EmmaLouise91]

She's honestly just another garden variety Demoncrat.

[@Trey_GSF]

@@teresag5137 ..? I’ve tried really hard to understand this comment. Bc, in my view, the level of entitlement one must have to consider it a “right” to take the life of another for what is essentially the sake of convenience (in the vast majority of cases, at least) could only really come from the pampered life of relative ease, privilege, and yes.. coddling, that so many of us enjoy (and take for granted) as Americans. I am guilty of this myself. I don’t pretend to be better than ANYONE. This isn’t contempt for those with opposing views to my own. I simply believe they’re just misguided. But I’m open minded and would love to hear further explanation of your view. I’ve changed my mind on a lot of things by listening to people and learning. Abortion is just not one of them bc I’ve not heard an argument with which I can agree (yet).

[@Grandmaster_Dragonborn]

@@teresag5137 Don't ask me, ask science - "Life begins at fertalization" I'm afraid there's nothing potential about it; abortion ends the life of a human being.

[@ZekeMagnar]

@@teresag5137 It’s human from conception. Take it up with science if you don’t agree.

[@ZekeMagnar]

@@Trey_GSF Like many pro-choice advocates, she has no idea what she’s talking about.

[@theguerrerofamily9699]

I realized Brenda’s opinion on when humans should receive human rights is based on circumstances instead of a solid truth (even science truth).

[@SweetLikeMandi]

And she thinks sex ed is appropriate for 5 year old kids 🙄 It was difficult to listen to her arguments.

[@treyb.9412]

Right, it should be based on sentience and consciousness. Not when or what you feel it should be.

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

@@treyb.9412It should exist from fertilization.

[@lyssadobbins7209]

Came anti-abortion, left SUPER anti-abortion. 💕🤰🏼🤱🏼👼🏻

[@megs4898]

Brenda really talked about everything except abortion in this podcast. She covered gun violence, white supremacists, racism, George Floyd, sex education, ect, maybe she didn't realize this was a debate about abortion....

[@CelStarProductions]

I think she should've focus more on the autonomy of a person's right to choose. She's merely speaking about the conditions under which people choose not to have a child. I.e. if these pro life people truly cared about life, they would prioritize life in the policy choices to make society more hospitable

[@megamonster1234]

@@CelStarProductions Destiny, a lefty pro-choice youtuber, has said that bodily autonomy is a really bad argument to justify abortion because it traps you into having to accept not only late term pregancies but even killing kids outside the womb to be morally consistent. The better argument is consciousness since supposedly we as a society generally protect that kind of experience. This is about 20-24 weeks, which coincidentally is acceptable for most of the population anyway. Finally, pointing out the supposed hypocrisy of pro-life in what happens to babies once they're born doesn't imo support the pro-choice argument. It completely circumvents the morality or immorality of abortion because it merely attacks the credibility of the arguer, rather than the substance of the argument, which is "Is it a life?" and "If it is a life, are we jusified in ending it?" I also think there's a fundamental difference between necessitating the end of a life and supposdly being inactive in making life more hospitable. I could be a hypocrite in that saying that cocaine is bad but then take cocaine myself. Just because I'm no longer credible, it doesn't mean you can use that hypocrisy to prove cocaine is good. Abortion can still be bad and pro-lifers could be hypocrites. Not that that's my own stance, but that's the weakness of your argument in accusing them of hypocrisy.

[@aesthetics2445]

@@megamonster1234 Thank you!

[@CelStarProductions]

@@megamonster1234 no one is killing kids outside of wounds and most abortions happen in the second term or earlier so your argument is already fallacious. I equally don’t care about consciousness of the baby in the womb. Protect a pregnant woman at all costs and allow them to live their life how they choose. Case closed.

[@megamonster1234]

@@CelStarProductions You're missing the point. First off, just because most pregnancies are in second term or earlier, it doesn't mean that the my body my argument should be used to justify abortion because then someone can use that argument to justify a late term abortion or an abortion outside the womb. You're trying to ignore the morality of abortion by hiding behind what normally happens, but what happens if people try to argue in favor of the rarer late term abortions? I literally argued with someone the other day who believed that you should be able to abort as long as the baby's umbilical cord is still attached. Saying you don't care about consciousness is basically telling me "Sure, most abortions happen in early term but if the woman wants to abort late term then she shoudl be able to." As someone who is generally okay with abortion up to 20 weeks based on the consciousness argument, I don't really see why you don't switch your argument to the consciousness argument since that's the one that actually defends most abortions? The only ones it doesn't defend are the late term abortions, which you yourself said are rare. So what's the big deal?

[@deborahzambrano6479]

Lila absolutely destroyed Brenda. I know Lila wasn’t trying to but it is obvious that Lila is well educated on both sides of this issue. It seems that Brenda is more worried about how she is going to be perceived by society or her “side” than the actual truth.

[@jenniferjensen8538]

Wow... I kind of felt sorry for Brenda, because clearly she is a woman in pain and denial. But she continually contradicted herself. When she said her dad said to give her baby up for adoption and she said but to what. That her child was just immediately going to be placed into foster care and be abused. Then when Lila pointed out there ARE other options, she backtracked and said oh I probably could have figured out somerhing else, I just hated being pregnant. What?! How cringe is it to say that out loud? I really pray for her... 😥

[@jenniferjensen8538]

That situation she experienced is not typical for women her age. She's just grasping at straws to justify her decision.

[@Lauradahl-creations]

Most cause of death by guns is from illegal guns or at the hands of criminals.. if you outlaw guns the only people that will have guns are the criminals and governments. Owning guns is our right and responsibility to stop criminals and tyrannical governments.

[@john14_63]

When Brenda said “I need to veto this question”, I was embarrassed but also extraordinarily sad for her. Brenda can’t answer what a woman is pregnant with ? She seems to believe it might be simply a “spirit”? We don’t know the answer? The leading pro choice people no longer argue this point. It’s not an unknown entity or a “clump of cells” or merely a “spirit” . The leading argumentation now commonly used is the shifting personhood definition. Anyway, I do Appreciate the bravery by Brenda here. Brenda claims to be a Christian, so I would love to hear her testimony, including when (or if) Jesus became Lord of her life and what’s changed since then (assuming Jesus is Lord for her). Thanks for a very eye opening conversation! Oh, and speaking of “grey”…. Would have been equally wonderful to have Stephanie Gray Connors as part of the discussion 😊

[@ga6589]

Defining a fertilized egg, zygote, or fetus as a person is all arbitrary. It depends on who you ask. I would argue that the unborn are a potential for life prior to viability outside the womb, but not a person. Roe v Wade provided for reasonable abortion restrictions upon viability and it was a grave mistake to overturn it, IMO. Abortion should be left up to the individual, not an arbitrary decision made by a group of politicians or Supreme Court justices. If you believe abortion is wrong, don't have one.

[@lolo-nn4vm]

she didnt veto it because she couldnt answer it. lol were you even listening to her?

[@caterinadc5567]

@@ga6589 I mean, life is life. If the whole body of an organism is developing/functioning the way it's designed to for that stage of development, if its cells are growing etc, it's alive. That's just biology. And I'll be honest, I don't follow the argument from viability. Like, what exactly do we mean by that? I know we mean 'can live outside the womb'... but I mean... why is that any meaningful criterion? A full-term baby still can't even lift its own head up. Human babies are ridiculously dependent on the care of others for absolutely ages after birth; we're not like wild animals that get to their feet while still wet from the womb and find their way to their mother's breast themselves (or start foraging in the wild themselves). Is it the fact that a completely helpless and dependent yet technically 'viable' baby can be offloaded onto some other adult than the mother for care? The baby counts as 'life' because its dependence has now shifted to 'anyone who _will_ care for me' from 'the only one who _can_ care for me'? ... Why? It seems to me more like the distinction is "We can't see the baby yet from behind that wall (the mother's abdominal wall), and when we can't see someone it's easier to pretend they don't exist, and easier to dehumanize them and pretend not to be aware of horrific things happening to them." Passing through the birth canal makes a completely helpless and dependent baby visible, and increases the number of people who can _potentially_ help to keep the baby alive. That's all it does. It's a change of location, and a shift of one stage of dependence to another stage of dependence. It's not a change in the essence of the dependent creature. A pre-born baby that is viable with medical infrastructure in America doesn't suddenly become 'only potential' life when the mother is deported to a country with poor medical infrastructure that can't sustain a baby's life if they're born at the same age.

[@caterinadc5567]

@@ga6589 "If you believe slavery is wrong, don't have a slave."

[@smileysnubz]

@@caterinadc5567 girl, you're doing the Lord's work 🙏

[@ginnydavenport3303]

Brenda does not know what the hell she’s talking about, she’s negated her own statements multiple times. She’s flustered because she barely even believes what she’s saying.

[@allisonryan9889]

Also Brenda wouldn’t be constantly “stuck on the mouse wheel” if she had a concrete stance or argument

[@christineg3905]

There’s no concrete stance - it’s gray - that’s why the State should never be involved in this very difficult discussion between the pregnant woman and their physician. Please stop trying to take a philosophical or religious stance on medical procedures. That’s for you to decide for yourself - not for others that don’t ‘believe’ the same thing. This woman just said that people are ‘coerced’ into getting abortions. She’s lost her mind.

[@au8363]

@@christineg3905 its not religious killing babies is wrong

[@christineg3905]

@@au8363 “killing” is the operative word. You saying it’s killing of babies and I say it isn’t. And I said philosophical OR religious so I covered more ground. The main point here is I believe that the woman needs to make this CHOICE with her healthcare provider and there are many gray areas - that’s why it’s hard to dictate a hard line on totally eliminating the medical procedure (or medication) which is used in many instances. Many of these procedures and medications are “abortion” methods too but you and many others may not even think is truly an abortion. Anyway, my argument is for the life of the living human woman - just like I had to sign a paper when delivering my children in case of an emergency where they might only be able to save one of us, who should they save. My answer - ME. And yes, my husband agreed. Very quick decision on our part. My two adult children are doing just great thanks. Oh and the one I had to abort with their father years before - while a very difficult decision - for my life and the viability of the fetus, was the right decision for us. You don’t have access to my medical records and have no idea what we went through. So yeah, I have both perspectives. And I’m in healthcare and can truly understand the complexity of the situation. Literally, the only legal decision is to leave it to the women and healthcare professionals like they do almost everything else. You can still choose not to have one but don’t prohibit others from receiving life saving medical care.

[@au8363]

@@christineg3905 women had the decision to not get pregnant. In 95% of cases they had a decision and took a risk. They should be held accountable for there actions.

[@au8363]

@@christineg3905 to say they have a right to take another biological human life because of there own decisions is wrong.

[@maraisreynolds9688]

Lila: What are you pregnant with? Brenda: ✨✨✨✨A spirit✨✨✨✨

[@angelicaharrison1014]

I almost stopped watching just because of that 🤣 I knew how it was gonna go from there

[@WindsofChange]

and the theme to The Twilight Zone starts to play... kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5OYkopmbc6pfrc

[@Xoxo.baby94]

Lmaoo she could have said an “embryo” at least

[@sarahbarnes6946]

lol

[@ltess]

How about a clump of cells.

[@KnowLoveServeHim]

The truth is like a lion, let it free and it will defend itself! I don’t think Brenda knows what she believes, she had to read from a paper what she believes. She was also stumbling on her words and wouldn’t clearly answer a question the whole debate, not to mention that she seemed to be going back and forth on what she was saying. I think Lila won this debate. Wonderful job, Lila!

[@artorhen]

You don't understand the truth however, you just want to invent one

[@tonystark3462]

Well help us understand…. The truth sleepy mask…..

[@teresatran1599]

I think Brenda has had an abortion before, so there’s a lot of emotional trauma that she tries to rationalise. We should pray for her and hope she finds other ways to find true healing.

[@emmelinaa]

Before I was pro-life, I didn't really understand the brutality of abortion. I didn't see it as the death of a baby. Instead, I saw my favourite celebrities cheering 'my body my choice' whilst sharing pro-choice content on their stories, ridiculing pro-lifers. I saw tv shows depict abortion for women as this freeing yet scary decision. It wasn't until I tried listening to the other side of the debate, watching content like 'Unplanned', and hearing pro-life professors talk, that I realised what was truly going on. I compare it to hearing about death on the news. You know it's bad but it doesn't reach you enough for you to truly understand the gravity of that situation. I understand there are cases where abortion may be needed, but those cases certainly aren't the majority. After university, I want to help mothers and foster care systems the best I can. The baby and the mother deserve protection and safety.

[@candidthinker1638]

What is the intention when we use the expression "Brutality of abortion" ((Lila Rose is guilty of using this "wording")? Is it to inform or to scare? IMO, it using words to scare. I would argue that it is "Propaganda". It "is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception". Abortion are a medical intervention. They should be explain in a neutral tone. Operation, in general, are gruesome - i.e. static.wikia.nocookie.net/greysanatomy/images/f/f2/216JamesCarlson.png/revision/latest/smart/width/298/height/223?cb=20220522173644. However, as other operations, the intervention is not done in a violent way, there is no sadism (AND if it was, we shouldn't condamn the intervention, but the surgeon). The results can be gruesome, somewhat disgusting, but this is IRRELEVANT. With those statements, we are getting further of the real discussion : - When does a fetus gain moral value? Why? - Is Parenthood more important then Bodily Autonomy? - What should we, as a collective, do to reduce the need for abortion? So, in sums, please stop using the "gruesomeness" of abortion to discuss the subject.

[@hamidahmadi1555]

If you pay attention you will notice a lot of people going from pro-choice to pro-life but the opposite is not something that happens often. Coincidence? Don't think so. It is because the pro-life is actually the less selfish and moral thing. Any logical person who is not in their feelings can easily see that if shown the facts.

[@candidthinker1638]

@@hamidahmadi1555 : Can you provide evidence for this claim? Have you found any longitudinal study about this change of opinion?

[@meahknegt1947]

Hey there, I know it's been a month since this comment, but I have a question for you. In what situation would you say abortion is necessary?

[@merissamakesstuff]

Brenda is saying that if we solve the issues that lead people to abortion, we can get rid of it that way. They are both against abortion, but Brenda is saying that it is a waste of time to talk about abortion without talking about the root causes. People who are saying she doesn't actually want to talk about abortion are simply wrong. She wants to talk about abortion causes, because if we reduce the issues that cause them, we will reduce abortion. It is a pragmatic approach to abortion and she is factually correct. The countries with the least restrictive abortion bans, have the lowest abortion rates and countries with the most restrictive bans have the highest abortion rates, because anti-choice policy makers advocate for things that cause abortion. They BOTH want to reduce abortion to zero, but if we keep harping on when life begins, we will continue to not address the root of the issue. Abortion is not necessary if you are safe and stable with proper supports except when people are dying from pregnancy, so you want reduce elective abortions, the most important conversation you can have are the solutions to root causes of them.

[@IaMD.B.]

Brenda keeps saying it's complicated and murky and grey, but I think it's more a case of her *wanting* this issue to be complicated murky and grey, in order for her to get her way. But the truth is it's not complicated, it's very straightforward, and Lila gets that.

[@vizuz]

Things being murky and grey is conducive to the status quo. And the status quo is on the side of abortion. I bet if abortion was illegal nationwide she wouldn’t argue this way.

[@ryanrogers3610]

This comment is so true!! When the argument becomes inconvenient for her position things suddenly become murky, complicated, muddy, not the point, etc. So much so that Brenda literally refused to answer an important and straight forward question.

[@efreaky65]

Brenda is murky and gray in her arguments sheesh

[@zachman5150]

Her shoe size dwarfs her IQ

[@gabrielavaldes4713]

abortion is not a black and white topic. when it comes to s.a. and other situations when abortion is necessary for the mental and physical well-being of that person, it is extremely complicated.

[@Kiki_bxbby]

Christian and pro choice? Also God is grey? Ah man she really needs God😓

[@ryanjane4424]

I looked at adoption for my daughter and there are a plethora of agencies that would pay for everything.. medical bills and living expensive during and briefly afterwards.. and i could hand pick the parents. Adoption is a beautiful and accessible choice.

[@davidsheriff9274]

No question that adoption is a wonderful thing, that's not what we're talking about here, the issue is, should a woman have the right to choose whether she wants to give birth to the baby or have an abortion. The question is, should abortion be legal or illegal?

[@ryanjane4424]

Illegal

[@davidsheriff9274]

@@ryanjane4424 duly noted.

[@Cherrydriver1]

@@ryanjane4424 yes the government should have a right to police our bodies. It’s an overstep in boundaries but of course you’re a man in a man’s world. Government should have no say in womens bodies same as they should have no say in drugs and if it’s legal to take them.

[@kml2546]

@@davidsheriff9274 should definitely be illegal w the exception of the mothers life being endangered. Right to life is a basic human right. You can not grant any human or specific group of humans a right that none else has. Most life threatening pregnancy related conditions happen in late stages of pregnancy and all obgyns I have been to have agreed that the best course of action is to deliver the baby via c-section. Soon as baby is delivered pregnancy is over and pregnancy related illnesses start to resolve.

[@wholenesse746]

The opposing views: Brenda - a view of the failings of current untrustworthy society Lila - a view of hope for an improved and truly progressive society

[@TT-eo5xj]

You sound naive.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

None of the poverty reasons matter with abortion rights. Side argument meant to gaslight the real reason abortion exists. Abortion rights exsist to give womb owning people the right to refuse their bodies to others. Without abortion womb owners lose their right to consent to a pregnancy. If we can't use anyone's blood, bone marrow, plasma, or kidney without consent then we certainly can't use a womb without consent. Anyone seeking an abortion clearly doesn't consent to their body being used. To use a human body without consent is a human rights violation. It's not the fault of the womb owner that they have a womb that can be used to ensure the survival of another, and to use it without consent is forcing pregnancy. Poverty has nothing to do with it.

[@akak8299]

@@freedomishavingachoice3020 Agree. In fact with the poverty argument, one can argue that it is more logical to murder the poor than the fetus. SInce the poor is already 100% while the future of the fetus is still uncertain. He may be poor or maybe rich. one cant know

[@andyfireandair]

@@freedomishavingachoice3020 Your organ donation analogy is flawed bc in the case of pregnancy the "organ donation" has already occured. It would be more accurate to say: You can't donate an organ and then decide to kill the recipient a few months later to get the organ back.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

@@andyfireandair Incorrect. A fetus needs a willing body with a womb to survive. That is a fact. No one can deny this. Pregnancy takes from a womb owner things they can never get back, including risking their own lives. That's unacceptable to do without consent. To use a human body for survival, you must have consent. That's body donation laws in most all states, not my opinion. If someone else needs a body for survival, it must be consensual. Otherwise it's a human rights violation. A womb owner is not sentenced to be a incubator, just because they have a womb. Just like you're not sentenced to give the guy next to you your blood if you don't consent to it. Consent matters. Because of this fact, pregnancy falls under the body donation laws. Because without the use of a willing body, they die. The rules don't magically change if the fetus that needs the body for survival is inside of you or outside of you. Double standards are gross. If you're not required to donate your blood for human survival, then you're certainly not required to donate your womb to anyone for their survival. If you believe the fetus is a person, then that person cannot use another human body without consent from the womb owner. We own our wombs just like you own your kidney. You're assuming consent to pregnancy like all other forced birthers do . Maybe don't.

[@hui975]

I had no idea who either of them were, but as soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew who was the pro choice (crazy looking one) advocate and who was the pro life(serene and graceful looking one) advocate.

[@kelseyjanae1]

The pro lifer has no flexibility in her perspective and can’t stop interrupting. She can’t admit any possible truth to the other side and you can see her very early in the argument resorting to trying to make Brenda look bad by spending her energy picking apart irrelevant points- it feels a little childish because you can tell she feels less confident internally with her black + white perspective now. I would’ve liked to see her working more towards finding balanced common ground rather than just trying to distract from the fact that there were really important points on the pro choice side as well. 🙏

[@nikolaikuvshinikov2450]

Well said

[@rebekahbeare6186]

I was raped, there were times when I just couldn't handle it. I kept my child she is 19 yrs old. She kept me alive when I had no reason to live. She gave me a reason to keep going.

[@IgnoreMeImWrong]

I know someone like that.

[@billyb4790]

Blessings 🙏 ❤️

[@yasmysanchez6328]

❤️❤️

[@NateA80]

I am so happy you have this outlook and decided to not take out that horrific unspeakable act out on an innocent child.. I can't imagine how you felt.. and as a man I was r***d as a young child by a man.... I was too young, even if I was a girl to be able to get pregnant.. and probably that is why it didn't have the negative affect on me as it would as a girl able to have a child.... If these pro choice advocates heard stories as yours they wouldn't be able to grand stand ideas they don't know about like you do.. If you believe in God or not he loves you and I/we do too.. God bless you, you strong woman....

[@rebekahbeare6186]

@@NateA80 no one should ever be violated its sad when it happens. I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you healed emotionally from it. I have but it does bother me from time to time. It's nice to see a pro-life man respond instead of getting hate speech. I was strong cause I had to be. I had a choice to make. 1. Get an abortion 2. Keep going with life as I always have Things have always been done to me being raped was nothing new. I have never reported any of the rapes or any other thing I just move on.

[@macypantana]

Brenda is not the right person to be debating this topic when her response to everything is that she’s getting frustrated and that it’s a waste of time. Like why did you agree to come debate this topic when you’re not prepared for it whatsoever? Lila crushed it. So elegant and poise and respectful.

[@kayleighmcintyre31]

I think her lack of knowledge and preparation is because there is no debate here.

[@macypantana]

@@kayleighmcintyre31 hahaha good point

[@mattrhodes3963]

Lila debated abortion. Brenda debated Democrat wishlists, voter suppression and campaign talking points.

[@gk3330]

Yeah and she keeps dismissing the question. You have to answer questions in a debate.

[@newjerseylion4804]

Savita Halappanavar. She died because she was refused an abortion in Ireland even though she had maternal sepsis. Lila Rose Catholic views are too extreme because she doesn’t make exceptions for medical situations. Women can and have died because of pregnancy complications and the fetus is too young to live outside the womb. You get a dead mother and child rather than a live mother. Lila Rose religious views are ignorant to such situations.

[@jobe2301]

You can't "veto a question" in a debate if it is the MAIN point of the debate 😂

[@with.the.y]

Yes and I was so glad Lila said, “But this IS the question.”

[@briannaleyva2548]

EXACTLY!

[@anabsanchez14]

i almost threw my phone out the window!!! how are you gonna pick and chose the argument?? i saw a similar response to another podcast she did with a whole table full of secular-influenced individuals. they would call her annoying and just chose “not to answer” cause they weren’t “interested” in that debate….. explain the logic ?????

[@with.the.y]

@@anabsanchez14 was it Whatever podcast?

[@anabsanchez14]

@@with.the.y yes lolol

[@ArawakAesthetics]

Our doctor STRONGLY suggested an abortion after lab test indicated Edward's syndrome. We decided to NOT do it... Our baby is now a healthy and beautiful national honors student.

[@tratincica2211]

Wow, amazing ❤

[@ArawakAesthetics]

@@tratincica2211 Thanks! The doctor told us our baby was most likely going to die anyway. But we decided that where there is life, there is hope. We truly appreciate your comment.

[@mariahrossi3072]

I am so happy for you.

[@grammaurai6843]

I had a similar experience with my third baby. I was told that he had multiple markers for Down syndrome and to do confirmation testing as quickly as possible so I could still qualify for an abortion. I refused, and he was born 100% healthy. Prenatal testing is so flawed and often proven to have false positives, and not justification for homicide.

[@ArawakAesthetics]

@@grammaurai6843 I'm so happy for you. It's crazy how quick doctors are to suggest abortion?!

[@genessapanainte2609]

When Lila asked "When you're pregnant, what are you pregnant with?" and Brenda responds with "a spirit", I literally spit out my drink.

[@mogichi7490]

Honestly, when she said that I choked on air.

[@iriskeniafernandez]

Brenda sounds like she’s surviving in life. She had not a single brain cell in her brain 🧠 to save her.

[@vickysantiago8152]

I'm with you. What spirit is she talking about. I am just proud of Lila, how she handles her in every interview she is in. Keep it up Lila and may God protect you always.

[@justthink8952]

Did any woman ever gave birth to a spirit? How does it looked like Brenda?

[@trumpbellend6717]

Pregnancy is a condition, you are not "with" anything.

[@liindarouge]

came as pro choice and left as pro life. thank you for this episode. those kind of conversations are very much needed!

[@BM-fz9yc]

I used to be pro choice. I changed my mind after finally listening to arguments from the other side. Deep down I think I had always known I was doing mental gymnastics to defend the killing of another human life.

[@laurencrowe5211]

@@klumzi this was set up to not be biased at all. If 1 side has facts and one doesn’t it may look like that’s the case to some

[@claudiewachance]

So wonderful to read this comment. Kudos to you for commenting this!

[@coreynorris8293]

Good on you! So glad to hear this!

[@liindarouge]

@@klumzi heyy, actually watched this episode as soon as it came out. because of this episode I got really into this subject and listened to more podcasts and discussions. the pro life side since discovering Lila rose has been the side I agree with most/only. But you are right. one should always keep educating oneself and not only listen to only one source!

[@daysydukes1988]

Hi nurse here at an obgyn unit . We can hear a heart beat at 6-8 weeks .. baby is visible at 8 weeks . Brenda is missed informed unprepared and lost. She needs prayer

[@d.n.9909]

I’m American Mexican and I did not told my parents about sex Ed class. No way! Therefore they never had a chance to converse their moral views with me. At 15 I got pregnant and was told I now needed to become a woman and learn the ways of motherhood. My ex was deported while I was 17 and pregnant with our second son. Now I am 33 and my oldest just had a daughter 😮 Long story short, I have achieved a degree in robotics and my sons are thriving. Ladies, WE CAN DO IT ❤❤❤

[@AJP.OT7]

thank you for sharing your story

[@CatholicCanadianConservative]

I’m so happy to hear about your amazing story, my sister has a similar story and raised two of the most amazing kids, and she’s doing great herself. But degree in robotics!! Congratulations! You’ve accomplished a lot!! Ladies you can definitely do it! And their are Men like Saint Jospeh out there :)

[@d.n.9909]

@@CatholicCanadianConservative Yes, women are very capable of being the best moms! 🥰 I actually dropped out of high school in 9th grade. After my 2 kids began attending preschool I went for my GED. Then, years later i went to college. So worth it!

[@anabsanchez14]

so inspiring. thank you for sharing

[@d.n.9909]

@@ceejay331 Thank you

[@BrockNelson]

Brenda saying that a soul begins at conception but a life doesn’t begin until 23ish weeks might be the dumbest shit I have ever heard. 😂

[@anabsanchez14]

i had to pause and sit for a second bc i was baffled lmaoo

[@HardstuckIronAlaynac]

im like 5 minutes in to cehck the comments, and this made me laugh out loud 😆

[@firefly9838]

Depends what you are calling life. Its life sure. Its not human life until birth.😊 The trees are alive, but nobody is coming to put in in prison because I chopped a tree down last week. See that difference?

[@georgecameron4754]

@@firefly9838Trees aren’t sentient or sapient beings with protective human rights. Don’t embarrass yourself in these comments trying to equate cutting down trees with terminating a *human* life.

[@stormysocks]

Shes not really that bright as I'm still watching and it's only an hour in. I'm still back on where she thought the violent images shouldn't be shared. Sure because you aren't supposed to actually find out what abortion actually does. Slave owners also dehumanized slaves in their quest to keep them. Interestingly enough they were also the liberals, democrats If you haven't read "the Negro Project " Margaret Sangers eugenics program. I still haven't heard her explain why we aren't emphasizing the at least a dozen types of birth control readily available and free in most towns if you can get to a clinic

[@krystynachen]

I’m so confused on how Brenda is Christian… it says in the Bible that we should be fruitful and multiply. That children are God’s greatest reward and gift. It says in the Bible that God loves our children more than we ever could. He will protect them and there is a purpose and reason for everything.

[@AliyahNadeau]

If you spend any time on her channel you will see that she is not actually a Christian,she is under the label of”progressive Christian “.She denies and twist scripture to suit her beliefs and sadly her content has lead many astray (I almost let her content do that to me when I was a teen).Saying you believe in God means nothing because the scriptures say that even the demons believe in God.Promoting abortion and all kinds of sexual immorality is not what truly saved believers do that have truly surrendered their lives to Christ.And yes while even conservatives twist scripture and act like Christians sin is sin either way and all of us will be judged.

[@grassrootedgal]

@@AliyahNadeau 🎯🎯🎯

[@OvalleInspiracion]

“Professing Christian”

[@dtr5591]

There is nothing christian about Brenda’s worldview

[@pritijacob]

Brenda reminds me of "Wolf in sheep's clothing and You shall know them by their fruits". Christian not abiding to bible teachings is not a Christian, doesn't matter what they say about them.

[@leannavanderford4881]

Pro Choicer: "I'm going to veto this question." Also Pro choicer 5 secs later: "I am so passionate about getting my voice into this discussion."

[@kelgirl99]

Pro Choicer: "An abortion procedure is not an act of violence" Also a Pro Choicer: "Pictures of an abortion procedure is violence against women because it's showing them what they're doing to their babies."

[@CrystalMone]

Then she managed to accuse the pro life side of spinning the “hamster wheel” while she couldn’t answer the most basic and fundamental questions on the topic, she did this several times.

[@lemondog7724]

She forfeited the debate with that response. She realized she couldn’t answer the question without making her argument look absolutely look ridiculous so she simply gave up. Honestly I felt embarrassed for her

[@markbassig1974]

Brenda continues to dork up.

[@CrystalMone]

Who veto’s questions during a debate? Brenda should be disqualified from the debate as she did this multiple times

[@barbarareed9308]

I had a forced abortion, my body betrayed me. You say that was a miscarriage… but the doctors referred to my sons birth as “spontaneous abortion “ I named my son Michael, meaning “one who is like God”. Michael lived for eight hours, he weighed 12 ounces. Michael was perfect, except for his underdeveloped lungs. He was a real baby, my first child, and I still miss him.

[@melaniesweeney4665]

God bless you, Barbara. Praying for you.

[@TheSparky777]

I’m so sorry

[@mary5305j]

I had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy (I was told it was IMPOSSIBLE for me to get pregnant) and ended up in the er with them telling me I’m 12 weeks in and internally bleeding. They put me under for emergency surgery and when I woke up and asked where the baby was the doctor said “in the trash it’s medical waste”. I know that my baby was already not alive at the time of entering the er, it wasn’t “viable” but it didn’t feel like a “miscarriage” it felt like an abortion. I’m with you Barbara and lending my heart and hugs to you. You’re not alone.

[@barbarareed9308]

Oh Mary I am so sorry 😢 The Lord did bless me with a son, it was touch and go for most of my pregnancy, but he survived and is now 38 years old! God is 😊

[@zoearrow3297]

God bless you. May you be joined with your son again in heaven (in His time)❤

[@camilamarturet1604]

Wants to debate abortion, without knowing what an abortion entails... Also, I smell trauma from her own abortion. When Lila mentioned it, Brenda seemed off. And the fact that she remembered how long it took is pretty sad. Also, the whole spirit thing is a way for her to cope with it. Saying that the "energy transfers" is much easier to handle that "my child was killed."

[@PatrickSteil]

Yes praying for the LORD to help her cope with the trauma and decision she made that is God’s only. Prayers that she will find that her God has made her and all women to be strong enough to say no to sex outside of marriage and also to have and raise a child born into any circumstances.

[@jimmymelonseed4068]

That’s often the case with vehement pro-choicers. It’s not natural to be an activist for the right to kill babies.

[@mary5305j]

I agree.

[@youtubeKathy]

I see that too. she convinced herself her abortion was ok and spiritual. She's not ok with it, if she takes off all that fluff.

[@shannellmcdonough254]

Agree with that- noticed that also

[@DanielaSanchez-ej7zh]

"When you're pregnant, what are you pregnant with? with: "a spirit", I beg your FINEST pardon? 😭

[@mommak8342]

It was the most idiotic response.

[@TheWobywoby]

“A spirit” that miraculously becomes a human worthy of respect, life, and protection, at EXACTLY 20 weeks. Lol she’s a joke

[@AndreVillarreal-ms5mw]

Could u give me the exact minute please i need to watch it for myself

[@newjerseylion4804]

Savita Halappanavar. She died because she was refused an abortion in Ireland even though she had maternal sepsis. Lila Rose Catholic views are too extreme because she doesn’t make exceptions for medical situations. Women can and have died because of pregnancy complications and the fetus is too young to live outside the womb. You get a dead mother and child rather than a live mother. Lila Rose religious views are ignorant to such situations.

[@danielogbonna7972]

Was here for THIS comment, lol. Still waiting people🤣

[@sarahbee8428]

As a millennial I would have to say when I got pregnant, the natural response of my peers around me was to get an abortion. It became the norm and the "right" thing to do. I chose to keep my baby and was the best decision I have ever made.

[@chelseaamber3065]

that was your choice though, so it sounds like you're pro-choice. I don't get pro-lifers, would you actually go around to every woman in the world who accidentally got pregnant and forcefully have them to have the baby and force them to put all their own needs to the side and raise a child for at least 18 years? you made your own choice, now let everyone else make their own choice. this is such a strange debate to me

[@hootieman1991]

@@chelseaamber3065 nobody’s being forced into an 18-year commitment to take care of a child with the exception of fathers legally forced to pay child support. If a woman wants to give up the child for adoption, they certainly can. Also, nobody’s legally forcing someone to become pregnant. This isn’t the handmaids tale and we don’t have any pregnancy quotas. Opposing abortion is nothing more and nothing less than standing in the way of lethal force being used against an innocent, defenseless, and voiceless human being who’s only crime was being brought into existence by someone who now wants to kill them.

[@mmafan8861]

@@chelseaamber3065 if she was raped that’s different. But this generation wants to have sex without consequences and thats dangerous to avoid accountability. Go whore somewhere else

[@brittoncain5090]

@@chelseaamber3065 Outside of non-consensual sex, how does one 'accidentally' get pregnant?

[@NAprincess324]

@@chelseaamber3065 ok well it sounds like her friends weren’t really pro choice I don’t get pro choicest who are supposed to be so for someone having a right to choose they have an issue with someone choosing to parent or choosing to give birth

[@espeilbe7504]

My opinion changed 100% because of education. Especially learning about what actually happens during the abortion procedure. It is horrifying.

[@shannane5171]

Totally agree. It's barbaric.

[@kotababy411]

​@@shannane5171 right because a pill is so barbaric

[@NoWaySmokey8889]

@@kotababy411 what the pill does to the fetus is barbaric

[@sendmail7426]

You should meet up with one of those who do the procedure. You’ll feel like something is really off about them. Your sins do show up on your countenance. Like the more people you have sex with the older you look even with kids

[@trevornunn3285]

It's in the woman's body ffs. She should have the choice. Of all the sentient adult stakeholders in the world, her stake is higher than everyone else's combined. Thus its her choice

[@beccapeterson5233]

My first child was born deaf, and my second child was also born deaf. During that second pregnancy, the doctors suggested I get genetic testing done to determine whether I wanted to abort my second deaf child. I was flabbergasted. Why on earth would I snuff out a life because of a disability? I’m not Hitler, who practiced eugenics.

[@beccapeterson5233]

And I guess I should mention that I bring this up because this eugenic mentality is common amongst those who advocate for abortion, so it should be seriously taking in consideration when backing abortion in general.

[@lilyseestheworld7865]

Praise the Lord! If I to have another child I would probably opt out of genetic testing - is there any value in them, except for the companies doing them?

[@beccapeterson5233]

Yes. I opt out of testing.

[@trentjacobs3957]

​@@beccapeterson5233It's difficult to argue that the wanton taking of innocent lives in regards to abortion isn't merely just related to eugenics but is indeed eugenics in and of itself. The idea that some of us matter and some of us are disposable is beyond grotesque regardless of who the victim is, even if it's your own son or daughter. There is no moral principle that says that one individual matters and another is disposable, but only if and when we say so. And while I do recognize the difference in who is being exterminated, abortion is morally repugnant for the exact same reasons slavery and the Holocaust was as well.

[@beccapeterson5233]

Yes! I see your point. I guess most people don’t see eugenics in that way. But I’d agree that you’re right: eugenics’ foundation is that life is disposable, and the abortion industry also treats life as disposable, which is terrible. So abortion is a type of eugenics. To be clear, I was in no way trying to agree with that principle that life is a commodity. I was just sharing my own encounter with the evils of abortion.

[@elmermaldonado1902]

Lila was so overwhelmingly superior that you even start feeling sorry for the other lady.

[@rosiegirl2485]

I totally agree! She starts every statement with a heavy breath..then goes into it all being nuanced..or talks about her mouse wheel. Brenda's biggest problem is that Lila is speaking clearly..and with straight forward facts!

[@mary5305j]

I’m on 20 minutes in and I agree….and I’m not even firm (yet) of my own pro-life vs. pro-choice opinion.

[@rosiegirl2485]

@@mary5305j I thought that Brenda got weaker as the interview progressed. I almost was thinking that Lila Rose convinced her to become pro life...but at the end she said she was pro choice and always would be...bur failed terribly on defending her position!

[@CrystalMone]

💯 Facts

[@heatherromero7750]

I felt bad that Lila was constantly interrupting her every other sentence that I completely stopped watching.

[@crystalcottrell7518]

Wow. Brenda just made me Pro Life hands down. She made such a contradiction and awful argument for pro choice. I’m disgusted. Definitely Pro Life now. Thanks Brenda for your convincing argument.

[@a_lobo]

Crystal, i think you are thanking Lila on the pro-life side. Brenda is on the pro-choice/abortion side

[@amirulhaziq6319]

@@a_lobo i also thought the same thing as you... but if we think carefully what this person has written, it could also mean that Brenda the bad representative of the pro choice as she could not articulate and justify her points very well like the representative of the pro life did, made this person changed his mind and become a pro life.

[@with.the.y]

@@a_lobo what she meant was that Brenda did so poorly advocating for pro-choice that it convinced Crystal opposite of what Brenda wanted to do.

[@Pinkheartbwell]

Lila was pro-life (not Brenda)

[@c..m.3661]

This is a. Complicated issue. Women who want abortion will try to end the pregnancy her own trying which could even cause death to her. A women may not be capable of caring for a child, for her it may be easier to end the pregnancy than to be pregnant and then give the child up not knowing if properly cared for. Women could be explained how abortion is performed, what ends the life. Some women live in horrible circumstances where there is abuse being done to her physically and emotionally and mentally. The unborn living can experience that too. Some women may even commit suicide so the baby won't have to experience the same thing. Yes there are services to help women but if someone has her hostage and not will allow services given to her, she and the baby will continue to suffer. Why not save the spirit of the baby and send it to heaven before having to endure abuse and trauma..... This is a complicated issue, so it is hard to answer in a few words my view.

[@TheOfficialBelliot]

I am a proud adoptive mother of 2 boys. It is my life’s mission to share with them how selfless and courageous both of their birth mothers were. Truly an act of love.

[@sheryllbeaty1752]

Yes sometimes it's an act of love a mother decides to abort Love of Thier parents status in a church They choose abortion because belonging in cults family were one parents practices shunning of other members Or parents claiming to be pro life and that women and girls need to keep their legs shut They don't talk about birthcontrol and tell their children they need to be virgins like the mother Mary before marriage They bring in the most buiness to plan parenthood women and girls seeking abortions Love of baby or love of the baby They not able to carry at the time Used as an escape from rape and child molestation .to heal Many stories then stories that when get married they have kids they aren't running forgetting why they opt for abortions in the past Before they become these virtuous virgins of course

[@Raccoon1400]

I feel like both these women are convincing me to be pro-life.

[@diannebee]

😊😂😂😂 seriously.

[@EveBernard-ff4rm]

The truth just resonates differently

[@DaniHGirl]

The fact that Brenda is having such a difficult time supporting her views from the beginning makes her so much harder to side with.

[@dreams7091]

Fetus is not a person.

[@Ben-uv2jq]

Gymnastic olympics at its best. Mandatory DNA testing for sure for you. Just take accountability for your actions and stop lying

[@nyyokk]

Had my son at 19 all my friends told me get an abortion . My son is the best thing that ever happened to me

[@pjm6496]

You’re a strong woman, that’s a beautiful story. I wish I had had your strength when I was in a similar position as a young lady. Unfortunately i chose wrong and 25 years later it still hurts. Keep telling your story, it’s powerful, and babies will be rescued because of you ❤

[@nicoobrowner]

Thank you both for telling your stories. It matters ❤❤❤

[@gracekim9429]

​@@pjm6496 Your unborn child is currently in Heaven, living with King Jesus and God, eternally happy and joyful with them. Don't keep putting yourself in shame for a decision you made in your past, but rather surrender to God, accept Jesus Christ as your savior and LORD, and He will bring you healing and deliver you from the shame and hurt from your past. Entrust God with your most basic needs and you will see how powerful He is and how He is so faithful. He loves you so much more than even the best love you can imagine. He exceeds all expectations. I encourage you to lay it in His hands and give Him control over your life. God loves you and bless you, in Jesus name!

[@gracekim9429]

Bless your heart Ny Ayanna. God loves you and your son unconditionally and has a plan for you both!

[@pjm6496]

@@gracekim9429 thank you for that, I agree with everything you said completely.. and yes, I’ve done those things and love the Lord very much. Thank you for being bold and for your faithfulness!

[@ashleyr.3273]

“I admittedly don’t know….” -Brenda. Constantly. This was extremely annoying to listen to. I don’t know how this woman has grown a following

[@stephaniemartinez5576]

I think Brenda is pro choice in order to make her feel better about the guilt she feels over her own abortion. She’s not ready to face her sin. I’ll pray for her healing and that she truly seeks the Lord.

[@new.creation.mindset.podcast]

i could not agree more w/ this!! let’s keep her in prayer for all the hurt she’s endured but also to open her eyes to the truth!! God is not grey. God is pro-life otherwise He wouldn’t have created us & sent His Son (who was attempted to be aborted by Herod, the king at the time), Jesus to save us all from this broken world!! I think that’s also what Brenda is missing, this is a broken world so we can fix anything w/out understanding of who gave us life in the first place❤️

[@rmarart]

I’ve had this thought about a lot of the loudest pro choice women out there. I feel bad for them.

[@geewhiz747]

A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

[@nicoobrowner]

​@@geewhiz747 you're applying modern day understanding of the human family compared to the Bible, lol. In the Bible, the Bible is very clear that the man is head of the house and the protector and provider of his family. It's a role hence why compensation was paid to the husband. It's not because his wife was property, it's because whatever happens to his wife and kids is HIS problem. If you're confused with that, argue with your liver or don't quote what you do not know ❤❤

[@dan-arebjrngrnvik3513]

The whole story of the Bible is how humanity fell, and God came back for us to reunite us with him. The fallen people in exodus did plenty of wrong, they hadn't been redemmed yet. They hadn't received the holy spirit, they hadn't repented.

[@Standingontruth]

Summary: “I feel” versus “the truth is.”

[@TheSiervofiel]

My mother was raped. She kept me. I have 5 kids and we are so happy. I was human. I was treated as a human not a rape. Even if she would have delivered me and gave me away I would have all respect for her.

[@chrissyb473]

❤️

[@jennifervelez3826]

God bless your mother

[@maggie_codes]

I’m happy you’re here and your loving mother decided to keep you ❤

[@sandrachongthu7418]

God is with you and your mom

[@purpledove7008]

That’s YOU. I know a girl who was the product of rape and her mother became an addict after and beat and neglected her child because she resented her so much. Stop comparing your situation to other peoples. If I rapist violates your body, you should not have to carry HIS baby and suffer for 9 months with the constant reminder. Having people come up to you asking about your “happy family” and the father, only to have to say “oh no there’s no father I was raped by a stranger at gunpoint”. Anyone who is pro life in this situation is repulsive. You aren’t pro life you’re anti woman.

[@kalnedlewil2897]

I’ve never been more pro life than I am after listening to this

[@ThatRedhedd]

People each have their own reasons & beliefs - and their beliefs are their defense. My beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither of us should FORCE our beliefs on everyone else. That's un-American & unconstitutional. This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country thats not divided and polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. If you don't believe in gay marriage, then don't marry someone with the same parts as you. Telling everyone else they can't do what's best for _them_ just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.

[@mem5860]

​@@ThatRedheddthats the problem, You think is a believe when is not. K1ll1ng a human is not a believe is just murder, thats the reality,not a believe

[@goob1837]

@@ThatRedhedddon’t like slavery don’t own one! Right? That’s your logic

[@mrsTreadnaught]

​@ThatRedhedd that's what the slave owners told the abolitionists too.

[@albertsanchez9528]

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart Jeremiah 1:5

[@firefly9838]

Yes the bible is a very nice fictional book.

[@deisivicente4577]

Amen!

[@joannajett2524]

... said God to his chosen prophet. Not to everyone.

[@annamariamott3080]

God uses to Bible to speak to us in ways that may not be clear to you. I’m blessed enough that when I pray and ask god to provide me with the verses I need for my spirit, as soon as I turn to a page I find exactly what I need. God speaks to us all.

[@Shiboys]

@@joannajett2524 but just because it was for his prophet it does not mean that he did not have the same sentiments for his creations! What proof do you have that he does not feel this about creations

[@haileyshutze2587]

I was already pro-life but man…. This debate was a very clear indicator that “pro-choice” people cannot actually define what an abortion actually is….

[@ThatRedhedd]

It's an indicator that ONE PERSON SUCKS at articulating the arguments of pro-choice people. Are you a vegetarian, too? I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?

[@BeatzByMK]

There’s a lot of words they can’t define yet identify with it.

[@sasquatch8268]

Watch the Whatever podcast with Destiny literally crapping all over Lylas points when it comes to prochoice vs prolife

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

I love how Lila tried to make sure that she understood Brenda's position on the issue rather than just explaining her own position.

[@dmsilverthorne2021]

Lila Rose is so classy and knows what she is talking about. Always love seeing make her points. Well thought out ❤

[@me548]

I had an abortion 4 months into my relationship with my now husband. It was 100% out of fear. I have so much sadness and regret. It’s taken me 7 years to even begin to forgive myself. We now have 2 beautiful healthy children but I will always be 1 less. I don’t take my children for granted at all. I love them even more for the sadness I feel. I am now 100% pro life. Babies deserve to live. Perhaps the circumstances in which they were created was unjust, but that’s not for them to suffer at. My grandmother was also raped and she fell pregnant to my father. My father didn’t want me and pushed my mom to abort me as well. By many accounts, I shouldn’t be here. But I am. If you’re someone who’s considering abortion, I beg you to reconsider. You will never truly forgive yourself.

[@ThatRedhedd]

Are you a vegetarian, too? I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

Jesus is the only way to be saved and enter eternal life, you should join His Catholic Church!

[@chasegibson3653]

@christsavesreadromans1096 You should except CHRIST as your lord and savior and trust in him alone for the forgiveness of your sins abandon all religion and live according to the BIBLE understand that no one is good except GOD you can’t save yourself by your good deeds only GOD can save you not the catholic priests or any guru only GOD GOD bless us and save us all

[@christsavesreadromans1096]

@@chasegibson3653 Jesus gave authority to His apostles to forgive sin (John 20:23), He established the church and gave Peter the keys (Matt 16:18-19), He commanded us to listen to the church (Matt 18:17), and appointed bishops over it to rule it (Acts 20:28), He endowed it with saints and miracles and healers (1 Cor 12:28), He made it the pillar and foundation of the truth (1 Tim 3:15). The church is what I will listen to, just as the Bible teaches.

[@scarlettbear4885]

Thank you so much for your testimony. God loves you so much and has forgiven you. Your repentant heart is beautiful, and God will use you to save many more lives through sharing your testimony. God bless you.